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Sunday, October 02, 2016

Obamacare in action

Minnesota may not have any insurance companies soon:
Minnesota's top health insurance regulator says the state's individual market is in "an emergency situation" amid big rate increases for next year.

Department of Commerce Commissioner Mike Rothman said Friday that the five companies offering plans through the state's exchange or directly to consumers were prepared to leave the market for 2017. He said big rate increases were the tradeoff to convince all but one company to remain for now.

Rate increases finalized this week range from a 50 percent average hike for HealthPartners plans to a 67 percent jump on average on UCare.

But Rothman called it a temporary fix and called on lawmakers to make reforms before the market collapses.
It's rather fascinating to see how one institution after another is collapsing like dominoes while everyone wanders aimlessly around wringing their hands and wondering how this could have happened.

It tends to remind me a little of when a girl in my class and a boy the class below me died in separate, but similarly stupid, easily avoidable accidents. I kept my mouth shut out of respect for everyone else's feelings, of course, but it was occasionally difficult when a plaintive "why?" would be uttered in conversation.

Now, there are certainly times when one genuinely wonders why something bad came to pass, believe me, it's a question I have found myself asking from time to time. But there are also times when the answer is completely obvious and totally undeniable. I mean, if you absolutely must point an apparently gun at yourself and pull the trigger to impress your friends, maybe, just maybe, you might want to check the chamber as well as eject the magazine.

The USA is collapsing because it is not the United States of America anymore. Its human and military capital have been considerably drawn down. The people who are the posterity of the Founders have been invaded and overrun, the various propositions and creeds that made their culture exceptional have been rejected by nationals, citizens, and invaders alike, and the remnants of their religion is a watered-down, treasonous, pharisaical Judeo-Churchianity that is a pale shadow of the unadulterated Christianity that once fearlessly proclaimed "No King but Jesus" to the English Crown.

Now they are afraid to call abomination and adultery sin. Instead, they preach against masculinity and nationalism.

So, what else would you expect? I mean, seriously, what other outcome could there possibly be?

Do you not see that the pace of the financial rapine has increased as well? That's the elite, desperately attempting to make hay while the setting sun still shines.

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Anonymous Patron October 02, 2016 7:09 PM  

It's rather fascinating to see how one institution after another is collapsing like dominoes while everyone wanders aimlessly around wringing their hands and wondering how this could have happened.

Which is why the yanks must elect Her Royal Clintoness to institute free and fair single payer healthcare to save themselves...

= = =

Not saying I buy fully into the above theory myself - I think Obama wouldn't have done that, because he'd want *his* legacy to be awesome, not "so bad someone else used it to justify *their* legacy" - though I suppose some of his advisors could have foreseen this.

Anonymous Viidad October 02, 2016 7:12 PM  

Hilarious. Let it all burn.

Anonymous The S:py October 02, 2016 7:19 PM  

Amerika has sown to the wind and is reaping the whirlwind.

Let the liberals, the Christ haters, the reprobates, and the sodomites enjoy what they have unleashed.

Blogger traderdoc October 02, 2016 7:24 PM  

Do you not see that the pace of the financial rapine has increased as well?

Today, Deutsche Bank customers unable to get money from ATM's.

Is the bank (and financial system) in very serious trouble today?

http://www.bild.de/geld/2016/geld/wirtschaft-eilmeldung-deutsche-bank-48099636.bild.html

OpenID Bob October 02, 2016 7:29 PM  

It's unexplainable ... the US has more diversity than Russia and the Orient put together.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 02, 2016 7:32 PM  

I heard Putin did it.

Anonymous Confused LIbrul October 02, 2016 7:32 PM  

But...but....but....muh GOOD INTENSHUNS!

Anonymous It's all Trump's fault October 02, 2016 7:34 PM  

It's all Trump's fault. Got to be. I mean, who else is there to blame?

Blogger JWM October 02, 2016 7:41 PM  

The HNIC sold the American people into slavery to the insurance companies. Wait until single-payer comes in. How about mandatory "health screenings" wherein you will be fined, or maybe jailed for non-compliance. Had your colonoscopy yet? Smoke cigarettes? Mandatory tobacco "education". Maybe they'll offer incentives to quit(like staying out of jail). Overweight by a few pounds? You need to take a class, and repeat it until your pre-determined target BMI is achieved. Far fetched, isn't it? Couldn't happen here. Besides it'd be unconstitutional. The supreme court will save you, right?

JWM

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 02, 2016 7:41 PM  

Coming soon to Minnesota ...

"Are you a resident of Minnesota?"

"No, I'm a part-year resident of Wisconsin for health care purposes."

"So why do you have a Minnesota driver's license?"

"Because I live in Minnesota every day of the year but Christmas!"

Anonymous McGonzo October 02, 2016 7:45 PM  

Only one company remains. LMAO. Next year, that one company tells Minnesotans to bend the fuck over and take another 50% rate hike. Somebody has to pay for all those refugees.

Anonymous DT October 02, 2016 7:49 PM  

Hmmm...clearly Minnesota needs more diversity. Importing 1 million Muslim refugees and giving them both citizenship and government checks to buy health insurance should do the trick.

Blogger Dave October 02, 2016 7:57 PM  

But...but....but....the Affordable Care Act.

Of course many said this was always the eventual goal.

Blogger David of One October 02, 2016 8:04 PM  

Hi JWM ... nope it is not far fetched. Our current corporate ins. company requires anyone using any form of nicotine (not just tobacco based products) to stop or take classes or pay an extra $900 per year per person using nicotine in a family.

Another recent issue in Colorado was when a drunk woman got hurt from a fall, the insurance company refused to pay because the patient had been drunk.

In both of these cases the slop has been slicked up and the rate of acceleration is picking up.

You mentioned target BMI, this is definitely another realistic potential and what I find interesting is that the survival rates for moderately overweight folk is better than "fit' folks. It boils down to being both somewhat fit and moderately overweight so that if/when an individual is sick there are bodily reserves to fall back on. The "fit" BMI approved person has very little reserves to fall back on should a serious health episode occur. The verity of this is easily found via a web search ... "mortality rates lower for moderately overweight"

Blogger David of One October 02, 2016 8:15 PM  

Hi JWM ... nope it is not far fetched. Our current corporate ins. company requires anyone using any form of nicotine (not just tobacco based products) to stop or take classes or pay an extra $900 per year per person using nicotine in a family.

Another recent issue in Colorado was when a drunk woman got hurt from a fall, the insurance company refused to pay because the patient had been drunk.

In both of these cases the slop has been slicked up and the rate of acceleration is picking up.

You mentioned target BMI, this is definitely another realistic potential and what I find interesting is that the survival rates for moderately overweight folk is better than "fit' folks. It boils down to being both somewhat fit and moderately overweight so that if/when an individual is sick there are bodily reserves to fall back on. The "fit" BMI approved person has very little reserves to fall back on should a serious health episode occur. The verity of this is easily found via a web search ... "mortality rates lower for moderately overweight"

Blogger JWM October 02, 2016 8:19 PM  

@16
I try to get more cynical with each passing day, but sometimes I just can't keep up

JWM

Blogger Johnny October 02, 2016 8:25 PM  

What happens to most 'free' healthcare systems is overpromise and underdeliver. Quality goes to hell, both waiting times and service.

Regardless of whether or not it is a sound idea, I doubt it will be possible to get rid of the universal health care promise. When it comes to handout schemes Medicare works pretty good. It works a lot better than this Obamacare crap.

Anonymous johnc October 02, 2016 8:26 PM  

The purpose of the ACA was to destroy the health care system. Things are going as planned; perhaps even smoother than planned since Americans won't actually do anything about it as long as their precious sports are still on tee-vee.

The insurance companies and health care industry backed the whole thing, so f 'em. Just f 'em. I hope they all go bankrupt.

The sooner this country collapses the sooner I can do an Irish jig all over its grave.

Blogger Escoffier October 02, 2016 8:27 PM  

I have just two words for you: Transitional Demand. Know it, learn it, understand it. The Left has very few tricks and this is one of their doozies. Works every time!

The BBC docko 'Lefties' has a good discourse on this subject and is hilarious to boot!

Blogger Salt October 02, 2016 8:31 PM  

In order to have Single Payer one must first destroy the free market system.

Blogger Uncle Silas October 02, 2016 8:37 PM  

"...Medicare works pretty good." Not really - the entitlement state is $100 trillion in the hole. The gummy knashing of teeth from Gramps and Gran is soon to be heard when cost utility analysis is applied to the elderly and disabled. Hip replacements, ICDs, pacemakers, dialysis, and costly, end-of-life care are soon to be things of the past.

Blogger Jose October 02, 2016 8:39 PM  

There's a T-Nation poster that summarizes the current circumstances well; it says: "Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes the reason is you're stupid and make bad decisions."

Wisdom from the iron brotherhood... :-)

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 02, 2016 8:50 PM  

Oh boy. I think the biggest single cause of this crap is the massive number of persons living in the USA that think that "Free Healthcare" isn't an oxymoron of epic proportions. Seriously, so many people are so retarded nowadays that they cannot even be lead by the nose to the obvious conclusion that it's not actually free, and healthy people will inevitably be penalized for their unhealthy counterparts.

Our nation has a massive number of literally mentally retarded people that think they are normal. I wish SO HARD that this was not the case.

Blogger guest October 02, 2016 8:52 PM  

"They" aren't "afraid to call abomination and adultery sin". That is even kind of funny. "They" won't call it sin, because it is their children. I remember in the 70s when young people were getting disfellowshipped at church because they were shacking up rather than getting married. The whole family would leave because the church was being "hateful" Never-mind what scripture plainly said about the matter. Scripture never applied to their families. Entire extended families got up from their pews and walked out, rather than submit to the clearly written word of God. Take a deep breath, "Samaria." Assyria waits at your gates.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 02, 2016 8:53 PM  

TL;DR: Sometimes I feel like my intelligence is perfectly normal. Then I talk to someone for about 30 seconds about some political or religious issue, and 90% of the time, I still feel perfectly normal afterward, but shocked and appalled at the idiocy and naivety I've just witnessed. I feel like I should be average, but apparently I'm not >_<

Blogger guest October 02, 2016 8:54 PM  

"They" aren't "afraid to call abomination and adultery sin". That is even kind of funny. "They" won't call it sin, because it is their children. I remember in the 70s when young people were getting disfellowshipped at church because they were shacking up rather than getting married. The whole family would leave because the church was being "hateful" Never-mind what scripture plainly said about the matter. Scripture never applied to their families. Entire extended families got up from their pews and walked out, rather than submit to the clearly written word of God. Take a deep breath, "Samaria." Assyria waits at your gates.

Blogger Amy October 02, 2016 8:57 PM  

Benjamin Kraft, I used to think this was not true. An extension of tabula rasa, I suppose. People just wanted liberty, to be left in peace. That's what I want, it's the American way or promise or whatever.

One of the sharper turning points for me was speaking to an Orthodox monk who, prior to his vows, went to school to become an engineer and worked on nukie subs in the USN. He told me that many, many people the world over are not capable of handling liberty, which is why they don't have it in their respective countries. It takes a certain quantity of individuals and a benevolent leadership to let people be free. Otherwise you just have a nation of children who absolutely REQUIRE authoritarian rule to keep them moving in the right direction and not hurt themselves, either via a temper tantrum or by accident.

Powerful stuff there. This was over eleven years ago and I still think on this almost daily.

Blogger Amy October 02, 2016 9:00 PM  

Quantity of individuals of a certain quality, I mean.

People want freedom but usually from rulers they don't like. They're all too eager to sign up and follow new shepherds who may or may not be an improvement.

Blogger Teri October 02, 2016 9:07 PM  

And this is why they want to herd you into the healthcare system:

https://www.wired.com/2012/08/crkp-is-everywhere/


I suspect my late husband was exposed to this. I took him into Emergency with pneumonia. While there, he also caught sepsis and c-diffile. They are hiding how common these infections are.

Blogger pyrrhus October 02, 2016 9:08 PM  

The financial death clock just keeps ticking and ticking.....

Anonymous mature craig October 02, 2016 9:10 PM  

Well im starting to see and understand what i think Gods plan is and im trying to cooperate with it instead of fighting it but thats just me

Anonymous mature craig October 02, 2016 9:13 PM  

Im done trying to fight the black man he is just too strong.also he is actually really cool.i am going to try to be his friend

Blogger James Dixon October 02, 2016 9:26 PM  

> ...though I suppose some of his advisors could have foreseen this.

His advisors didn't have to. The opposition (Vox among them) explained in great detail what was going to happen.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti October 02, 2016 9:29 PM  

I don't know how accurate Gravis polls tend to be, but they have the most recent poll of MN (on 9/23) and it's a tie.

Anonymous mature craig October 02, 2016 9:32 PM  

But one thing i will try to fight is the spread of Islam and Sharia

Anonymous johnc October 02, 2016 9:34 PM  

@23 Our nation has a massive number of literally mentally retarded people that think they are normal.

'Tis true. And unfortunately most of them are white.

Blogger Johnny October 02, 2016 9:36 PM  

@21

I am not addressing the inherent desirability of Medicare, only the administrative setup. That is a lot better than Obamcare. Otherwise the whole business setup of medicine is a screwed up mess, but Medicare did not create that system, it merely meters out money to people who go into it.

As for saving money, one way is to ration out service by command, and the other is to slow delivery so much that it is effectively rationed by delay. Restricting access to some of the more expensive services based on rules and contriving delays by being reluctant to approve procedures is already in place in a small way.

Also, a really big share (maybe half?) of healthcare expense is end of life stuff, the last few months or last year of life. That would be the sensible area to cut, let people die a little sooner, and they have been hinting around at doing that by encouraging end of life counseling. Hey, do you really want to go on?

Blogger exfarmkid October 02, 2016 9:37 PM  

If I were still an individual Health Partners member in MN my premium next year would be running near $1500/mo to get a major-medical plan with $12,000 family deductible.

MN is a grand example of what happens when trust fund babies are in charge.

Anonymous mature craig October 02, 2016 9:38 PM  

yeah the enemies plan is so transparent i see it so clearly..Islamize left wing brain damaged societies and then kill all the Christians. That plan has to be fought.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 02, 2016 9:45 PM  

"That would be the sensible area to cut, let people die a little sooner, and they have been hinting around at doing that by encouraging end of life counseling."

In Britain, they put you on 'The Liverpool Care Pathway'. Also known as 'drug you up and starve you to death'.

I'm sure America will soon follow.

But if you want to actually save money, you need to eliminate the numerous exceptions to standard laws of business in healthcare. Cost is high primarily because it's a highly-regulated, government-controlled market.

Karl Denninger has a ton of articles on his site explaining exactly why US healthcare is so expensive, and what can be done to slash the costs to a small fraction of what people pay today.

Anonymous Be Despicable, Not Afraid October 02, 2016 9:50 PM  

I think Obama needs to pass laws against insurance companies that refuse to insure MN residents, and laws that force doctors to work for free. For the children. It's worked so well in Cuba and Venezuela! Viva la revolution! Viva la...um...people!

Blogger Ransom Smith October 02, 2016 9:59 PM  

Let's just hope, this is the beginning of the end of one of the world's greatest evils.

Insurance companies.

Blogger Johnny October 02, 2016 10:04 PM  

johnc wrote:@23 Our nation has a massive number of literally mentally retarded people that think they are normal.

'Tis true. And unfortunately most of them are white.



Lots of people don't use the brains they have. Modern society takes care of so much stuff that you don't have to.

I suspect the reason this country has run as well as it has is because the upper classes believed in democracy. One of our current problems is that we now an education system that stratifies people into education classes. That weakens the sense of common purpose and common identity. No pull yourself up by the bootstraps any more and promotion based on tenure and loyalty is largely out. If the education system sorts somebody into the upper class they go directly into it, no contact with the plebs necessary.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2016 10:10 PM  

Word is Blue Cross and Blue Shield is pulling out of TN as well.

This not limited to MN.

It appears the law that the insurance industry wrote to insure perpetual profits is actually killing the whole industry rather than helping it.

Blogger Nate October 02, 2016 10:10 PM  

"Let's just hope, this is the beginning of the end of one of the world's greatest evils. "

Ahh...

So you prefer state healthcare?

Commie much?

Blogger Ransom Smith October 02, 2016 10:14 PM  

Nate wrote:"Let's just hope, this is the beginning of the end of one of the world's greatest evils. "

Ahh...

So you prefer state healthcare?

Commie much?



Uh....no.

Single payer is for people who can't do math.

But insurance companies are part of the problem. Take them out, and the cost of medicine goes down. Plus, they're scum that prey on honest people.

Anonymous the management October 02, 2016 10:17 PM  

guest wrote:Take a deep breath, "Samaria." Assyria waits at your gates.

Uncle Sam(aria)! (As)Syria waits at your gates.

Almost spooky in its prescience.

Anonymous the management October 02, 2016 10:35 PM  

Benjamin Kraft wrote:

Our nation has a massive number of literally mentally retarded people that think they are normal. I wish SO HARD that this was not the case.


Unfortunately this is not an overstatement. Don't despair, though. Shove the overfed, TV-mesmerized retards out of the way wherever you find them - church, your kids' schools, neighborhood gatherings, board meetings, etc., and LEAD them. They are sheep without a shepherd.

Blogger dienw October 02, 2016 10:36 PM  

the management:
Uncle Sam(aria)! (As)Syria waits at your gates.
Almost spooky in its prescience.


Samaria is another name for the Northern Kingdom; this country contains Manasseh; so, no, it is not spooky.

Blogger weka October 02, 2016 10:43 PM  

The issues with socailized health care relate to rationing of health care. The very elderly will get little funding and acute, expensive care defunded for education, outreach to minorities and celebrating diversity.

Happens every freaking day in Canada, Australia and NZ.

Blogger Thucydides October 02, 2016 10:45 PM  

Look at Canada's disastrous single payer healthcare system if you want a glimpse of your future. The VA hospital system is another, closer to home example.

The UK's NHS is another good example of what not to do.

The real future for health care, in the sense that people will be treated for issues related to health, is "cash and carry" doctors and probably underground cash clinics. IfI had the wherewithal, I'd found a company here in Canada that only treated American patients for cash (since our laws prevent treating Canadians for cash).

Medical tourism is also going to be a thing in the future.

This isn't the 21rst century we were promised....

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 02, 2016 11:07 PM  

Screw it. They can hire Somalis to fix their insurance system. After all, they only came here to do the jobs that white Minnesotans couldn't fathom would be created...

Blogger David-2 October 02, 2016 11:27 PM  

My wife and I were just talking about how the Chinese have pushed real estate prices in Seattle WA and Vancouver BC through the roof in order to provide a safe haven for their money and themselves when China's economy collapses.

But - we're going to have the last laugh on them! Ha!

Anonymous BGKB October 02, 2016 11:31 PM  

Obamacare was designed to take healthcare dollars from old Asians/whites and give them to illegals.
How many of the refusegees are also HIV+ eating $30,000-60,000 a year of AIDS meds on top of section 8, welfare, SSDI, & food stamps. ZIKA small head babies will cost taxpayers more than their birth weight in gold every year they live.

"...Medicare works pretty good." Not really - the entitlement state is $100 trillion in the hole.

If brown and black doctors stopped cheating the system, the fraud levels could be manageable.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 02, 2016 11:31 PM  

@27 Amy A very smart man.

I think the most insane thing that I've come to realize is that people are only slaves who will permit themselves to be enslaved. Literally, people choose to be slaves at some level.

I actually just got out of a 5 year stint in the USN myself, coincidentally on subs (all USN subs still commissioned are "nukie" btw, maybe you mean a Ballistic Missile "SSBN" sub?). Sounds like being a sub nuke wasn't the life for him, and I can understand why. It's a very, very demanding line of work.

Blogger buzzardist October 02, 2016 11:35 PM  

Only the chumps who believed in the Obamacare lies told to them are surprised. Even the leftists who designed Obamacare aren't surprised by this outcome. This is, after all, precisely what they designed.

Obamacare was never meant to be successful. It combined all of the problems and limitations of a single-payer government system (rationing, etc.) with all of the runaway cost problems of a highly regulated, employer-based insurance system. The goal was to crash the system faster.

Single-payer was never going to happen in America as long as 70% or 80% of Americans had employer-based insurance that they were happy with. But that employer-based system created an unnatural structure where the consumers were shielded from costs, and the costs could be billed through a chain of corporate structures that couldn't effectively say no. It was always going to fail eventually, but Obamacare's purpose is to fast-track that destruction, ushering in a single-payer system to replace the heaping ruins of what had been American health care.

Anonymous JAG October 02, 2016 11:36 PM  

The S:py wrote:

Let the liberals, the Christ haters, the reprobates, and the sodomites enjoy what they have unleashed.


And let those of us who survive and pick up the pieces to form a reasonable country never forget. Do not let them back in. Man the turrets if necessary, but never let the leftists back in no matter how much they suffer, and beg forgiveness.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 03, 2016 12:02 AM  

@33 Wait that can't be right... nvm just looked it up and about 64% of us are still white. Damn it.

Does it count for a point if higher ratios of other demographics are retarded?

@34: Anyone with even a basic purview of history under their belt has known this since the very beginning. Next up is voluntoldy(intentional misspelling) post-birth-abortion of all the varieties of sick and infirm children and adults. After that all bets are on forced sterilization of virtually the entire black population for "maladaptive reproductive traits" (read: suspected low IQ).

I for one welcome our new demographic-enforcing overlords to relax in a private concrete chamber complete with our patented "special cleansing shower heads" and "proprietary deep-cleaning vapor". #FeelThePurity

@37 Viva la... umn... how they DO all move like cockroaches in the light, don't they dearie?

@38 In Soviet America Insurance gamble YOU.

@44 Advice to live by.

@49 Wait wut. I was of the opinion that China has been playing the long game this entire time? Then again... their economy is somewhat dependent on ours... wait what the shit is going on here... anyone? Am I missing something important? Chinese people buying land in the US for when their economy collapses? What year IS this?

@50 #FeelTheAIDS. But seriously, whattheactualf*ck? people with unfixable diseases shouldn't be allowed to immigrate in, period. It's nothing but draining our lifeblood into people who have never and will never contribute a single dime to our economy. Heck, people with AIDS can't even have children that could theoretically contribute to our economy (YeahRightAsIfTheyEvenWould).

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 03, 2016 12:08 AM  

@52 We're basically cattle to them. I think I realized this when I was about 16, but anyone who had any interest in ruling the world, etc, would basically treat everyone else like cattle. Maximum output for minimum input. Quality? What's that. All you need is that Omni-brown quantity. More slaves-by-any-other-name to carry the palanquin of plenty-for-the-few, right?

OT: On Gab as Azure_Helios. Can't wait for the blockchain/blockstack.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 03, 2016 12:44 AM  

Quelle Surprise.

My suspicion is the ACA was meant to mimic the German system or the French system perhaps. It was meant to work but of course it didn't work because the US is as corrupt as Latin America and the only way to get such a bill passed was to lard it with so much graft it would sink.

The backup plan, Coward-Pliven they way into single payer won't be all that easy to implement as proponents think. The US is basically broke and cannot raise much more money under any circumstances or any tax regime.

We don't even have enough for roads

Its going to be inserting to see how this can be pulled off if it happens especially when the the new taxes cause an unemployment spiral. The Dems can lie till the cows come home but people know.


Also Republicans do have enough political power even with the new electorate to stop it . Maybe.

In any case, if the Left is replaced we may end up with a single payer option anyway. The current system isn't working very well for many and its a valid social goal and feasible to ensure decent basic care for all citizens.

This is a long while off though and will require a much more cohesive society.

And to stem off the inevitable economic liberals shrieks, a lot of our current economic systems are mired in industrial age thinking

When machines mean a tiny middle and working class you either
get Social Democracy economic control or you economy dies for demand starvation . Workers wages are how societies build wealth

Right now the next push is self driving trucks. The claim is as always labor shortage but the goal is the elimination of workers. This is good for the bottom line, very good till not enough people can buy anything and the civilization falls apart

If the .alt right wants a functional society they are going to be addressing these issues kicking and screaming one way or another

But of course before that we need power

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 03, 2016 12:48 AM  

johnc wrote:@23 Our nation has a massive number of literally mentally retarded people that think they are normal.

'Tis true. And unfortunately most of them are white.

Color me skeptical (pun intended).  If we define retardation as IQ <= 55, about 1% of 200 million Whites are (2 million), but more than 5% of 40 milllion Blacks (2+ million) plus a great many other NAMs.

If we go back to the original definition of borderline retardation (IQ <=85), fully half of Blacks qualify (20 million) and 16% of Whites (~32 million).  However, the Whites definitely know they're on the slow side, and the Blacks don't... because they're not, among themselves.  They're also generally full of themselves.  The bulk of retarded who think themselves normal are Black.

Benjamin Kraft wrote:After that all bets are on forced sterilization of virtually the entire black population for "maladaptive reproductive traits" (read: suspected low IQ).
Anyone who's seen a couple ratchet fight videos knows this is long overdue.  As in, since Buck vs. Bell.  The invention of Rust's cotton picker should have been the last nail.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus October 03, 2016 12:52 AM  

OT. SJW tears. Jewish 40+yo divorced "girl" flips off a stranger who has Trump signs in his yard, gets chased by him, cop shows up, she posts her rants. Details at 8ch.

http://www.xojane.com/issues/trump-supporters-doxxing-me-for-giving-finger

In the moment that I saw him standing there, my passion for this election and all that I've endured as result of it overtook me. I'd never seen the man before, yet he was the living embodiment of every Trump troll who had ever tweeted me an insult. I'd had it with continuously suppressing my voice just because a man might not like it. My body reacted before my brain did...

Had I known what would happen, I wouldn’t have done it. I would have kept on driving. I pass that house every goddamn day, and this was the first time I had ever seen him standing there. I was on my way to get my kids from school, and I had just gotten offline from yet another round of trolling from these people who can’t let you have an opinion because you’re a girl. So I reacted.

But when a woman does react, or when she does voice her opinion, everything becomes a very targeted threat to her sexuality, her appearance, her fuckability — that misogyny is all tied into that. It has nothing to do with her intelligence or her achievements.

And that’s why there is no difference between the way I’m being treated right now — especially on Twitter, with people asking why I don't just shut my mouth — and the way my candidate, Hillary Clinton, is being treated. Hillary and I are the same. They are doing to me what they do to her. They’re afraid of me, they’re afraid of my power, they’re afraid of my intellect, they’re afraid of my voice.


Be afraid.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 03, 2016 1:28 AM  

"If the .alt right wants a functional society they are going to be addressing these issues kicking and screaming one way or another"

Hardly. Manufacturing is going to become more and more local until we make most of the things we need on a 3D printer in our basement. Healthcare, assuming we can get governments out of the way, is going to be more and more automated until we have an automedic in your bathroom. Travel will mean logging into a VR drone wherever you want to 'go'.

Trying to stop this is as about smart as trying to keep kids on the farms at the beginning of the Industrial Era, where they could have a better life as a factory worker running a machine in the city. We're heading back to self-sufficiency, and that is a wonderful thing. SJWs can't try to take your job away when you don't have one. SJWs can't steal your income when you don't have one.

The economy a century from now will look nothing like the economy today. In fact, it's debatable as to whether there'll even be such a thing as 'the economy' when there's little for people to trade.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 03, 2016 1:30 AM  

@58 Because clearly the only things that matter about a woman are "her sexuality, her appearance, her fuckability". #InternalizedMisogyny

A round of applause for Feminism, thanks Killzillary, thanks SJW/disgusting-intolerant-hate-mob.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 03, 2016 1:41 AM  

Satan's Hamster wrote:"If the .alt right wants a functional society they are going to be addressing these issues kicking and screaming one way or another"

Hardly. Manufacturing is going to become more and more local until we make most of the things we need on a 3D printer in our basement. Healthcare, assuming we can get governments out of the way, is going to be more and more automated until we have an automedic in your bathroom. Travel will mean logging into a VR drone wherever you want to 'go'.

Trying to stop this is as about smart as trying to keep kids on the farms at the beginning of the Industrial Era, where they could have a better life as a factory worker running a machine in the city. We're heading back to self-sufficiency, and that is a wonderful thing. SJWs can't try to take your job away when you don't have one. SJWs can't steal your income when you don't have one.

The economy a century from now will look nothing like the economy today. In fact, it's debatable as to whether there'll even be such a thing as 'the economy' when there's little for people to trade.


I was thinking shorter term, a decade or two maybe three or four, not centuries. The big boom we are going to have will delay the 3d printing/localized manufacturing boom

Longer term I'm not going to disagree with you

One way to deal with the economy will be to decentralize it. This might result in a smaller more rural population since most parasite jobs won't exist but I'd gladly live in a country with say 100 million Conservative mostly White Freeholders over what we have now.

Of course I might be biased as it fits well with a notion I had of restricting density to reduce leftism . Its not perfect of course Portland does this and is pretty liberal but I suspect dense living creates the conditions of Leftism

Or I could be utterly wrong.

In any case some kind of State will have to exist if only to protect from other States and this means some taxes and opportunities for parasitism. Those same Freeholder will not be able to resist a determined State effort to enslave or kill them.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 03, 2016 1:50 AM  

@61 I'd be VERY heavily inclined to say being able to live well without doing anything (social security, privileged birth absent morality, etc.) creates one half of the leftist puzzle, while degeneracy and lack of morality create the other half. Any of these can lead to leftism, but a combination of all of them virtually guarantee it.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 03, 2016 2:43 AM  

Amy @27 I think that old Orthodox monk was right. Without a virtuous and aware populace democracies and republics will fail.

Back during the Cold War the sympathizers of the U.S.S.R. would often proclaim how the Constitution of the Soviet Union was superior to the Constitution of the United States in every way, and especially regarding human rights. And this was all true, but only on paper. In practice the words in the Soviet constitution meant nothing. BTW, we're heading in that direction in the United States, of course. It gets harder all the time to say that the US Constitution still applies. Every SCOTUS decision and every executive action withers it.

To proclaim something doesn't make it so, you've got to live by it.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 03, 2016 2:43 AM  

Benjamin Kraft wrote:@61 I'd be VERY heavily inclined to say being able to live well without doing anything (social security, privileged birth absent morality, etc.) creates one half of the leftist puzzle, while degeneracy and lack of morality create the other half. Any of these can lead to leftism, but a combination of all of them virtually guarantee it.

Yeah but its not like we are going to create hardships just to create a more conservative population. Its also not proven to work.

Social Security is in theory a pay as you go program with a combination of mandatory contributions from people and employers.

The alternative is heavier savings rates but that has serious negative consequences economically and very possibly on family formation.

Not to put too fine a point on it , assuming people will have huge families to support them in the 21st century is silly

As long as money exists people can save for retirement. heck it was possible to buy retirement annuity from the Church in the Middle Ages and people who could afford to do this often did since the children did not or could not support them . It was also common to buy an annuity from a Masonic Hall, Trade Union (say the Printers Home) or other private body

Pensions have been a thing for centuries and will continue to be either from the State or some other group

In the West and most of the world fertility rates have been in decline for nearly 50 years and are not going up. Even if there is a huge crash, number won't go up either, the TFR may rise but so will infant mortality after the die-back

It also makes little sense to assume all low fertility is money related. Some of it is as I often harp on but there is also a huge social aspect. Simply, most people don't want large families

Western man and civilized man, maybe soon all of mankind has peaked in population and this is a very good thing

Simply we have to figure out how to get a self preserving homogeneous society with the current conditions. However we can do this after we expel foreigners

Right now too many people are apathetic and the people who want them gone are not yet strong enough or numerous enough to do it. Heck Hungary which is strongly anti migrant could not get a clear No! from more than half its voters, The ones that voted went 95% against but most people did not vote.

After that we can figure our how to make a more conservative society in one where there simply is less work that needs to be done.

Anonymous Discard October 03, 2016 3:54 AM  

47. Thucidides: Your proposed business model works. I have a relative who has been making money hand over fist for decades as a dentist. He is very good at it and works his magic for rich foreigners, most of them Canadian. Fortunately, he does family for free.

Blogger Horn of the Mark October 03, 2016 5:33 AM  

Speaking in the voice of my fellow Minnesotans, I'd like to say we're sorry to the president. We really let you down on this one. You showed us the way, but we would not keep your pace. Had our faith been strong enough, we would have persevered. Forgive us, and deliver us unto Hillary.

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon October 03, 2016 6:04 AM  

The question is whether the population decline rate will stabilize at some sort of plateau, decline gradually, or experience a cliff-like dropoff implying some sort of catastrophe.

Anonymous SciVo October 03, 2016 7:11 AM  

Viidad wrote:Hilarious. Let it all burn.

Indeed. I despise everyone but my friends, and want to burn it down.

Blogger Nate October 03, 2016 7:36 AM  

"If brown and black doctors stopped cheating the system, the fraud levels could be manageable. "

/facepalm

No. It wouldn't. It has nothing to do with doctors cheating the system.


Blogger dc.sunsets October 03, 2016 8:02 AM  

Affordable Care Act
Patriot Act
Bank Secrecy Act

All proof that the people who come up with the names for signature statute law are the devil's minions. They openly mock us with the irony.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 03, 2016 8:09 AM  

Britain's NHS is in a well-publicized financial crisis too.

All roads now follow Venezuela's path.

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2016 9:25 AM  

> All roads now follow Venezuela's path.

That is the way socialism tends to work, isn't it?

Blogger Douglas Hiltz October 03, 2016 9:33 AM  

Here in Canada we have a single payer system. And we have shortages... When it is suggested that we allow private companies to provide services and for people to be allowed to pay directly out of their own pocket, the left cries "two-tier". What this means is they are afraid that if a private system runs along side of the public system, all the good doctors will go to the private system because of a profit motive.... hmmm

Blogger Bard October 03, 2016 9:34 AM  

I propose putting a small clinic staffed with a mid level provider in each neighborhood and charging an affordable HOA fee to pay his salary.There is your health plan. A community provider that is accessible and vested. I am sure that in no way would meet Obama care requirements though.

Blogger clk October 03, 2016 9:36 AM  

Its interesting because there appears to be no solution under the current system for healthcare... simply doesn't work in a capitalistic society. We have a large portion of the population unable to afford healthcare which under a free market system is required to show a 15% profit and grown every year.

What was desired was a national healthcare system , what was gotten was the ACA which was a hybrid between what the socialists and capitalists wanted and we ended up with a system that cannot continue .. the silver lining here is that as insurance companies push for more profits, threatening to leave the ACA etc they are in fact only facilitating their own demise and guaranteeing that as someday we will have a single payer system... which is the real intent of the ACA anyway.. it was never meant to be a long term solution, just a system to shows that free markets and medical care are incompatible.

What I am waiting for is the next jump in technology that opens this whole thing up and changes the game completely .. I am thinking that something along the line of expert systems - ie " emergency the medical holograph" will be the next jump -- combined with robot systems that can person most surgeries .. what do we really need human doctors for anyway...

Blogger Bard October 03, 2016 9:36 AM  

Except of course in the vibrant communities, no one wants to live there and section 8 cannot afford HOA dues.

Anonymous Helton Strom October 03, 2016 10:24 AM  

It will be interesting to see how many votes this pushes Trumward, or if the expected bend-and-spread'em is already baked into the voting pie. Or will it simply result in significantly depressed turnout on the Dem side? I know word of a 60% increase in my medical insurance would depress the hell out of me, and make it REALLY hard to pull the lever for the party that did it to me.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 03, 2016 11:01 AM  

SJW tears. Jewish 40+yo divorced "girl" flips off a stranger who has Trump signs in his yard, gets chased by him, cop shows up,

The cop told her she can't drive past his house anymore. She was pissed the cop was giving him her info.

is going to be more and more automated until we have an automedic in your bathroom.

Even with telemedicine you will still have a PA or nurse looking at you with a camera via your automedic.

Thucidides: Your proposed business model works. I have

With a cash healthcare model with a doctor working out of his home/office I feel I might be tempted not to give Latrina's 21 crack babies their fair share of my earnings.

NATE No. It wouldn't. It has nothing to do with doctors cheating the system.

OK compare SSDI factories in California to nursing homes that over charge for their static population, which rips off the taxpayer more? Doctors charging for procedures not done is potentially limitless. If you are going to blame anyone for charging the Medicare account for a 70yo+ American citizen for a Mexican's ER injury treatment from a bar fight it would be the doctors who approved the methods. NAM doctors will send vans out to collect anchor babies/others to give them unneeded treatment with a small payoff to them. You realize Kermit Goshnell was committing fraud also it was far cheaper/easier for him to just induce delivery then kill the kid. It may be different programs but it all comes out of the taxpayers pocket.


For those that have not been around I make the claim that I have altered the number of non Asian minorities in nursing by more than any SJW, via reporting healthcare fraud.

Blogger Kim Priestap October 03, 2016 11:31 AM  

"The USA is collapsing because it is not the United States of America anymore. Its human and military capital have been considerably drawn down. The people who are the posterity of the Founders have been invaded and overrun, the various propositions and creeds that made their culture exceptional have been rejected by nationals, citizens, and invaders alike, and the remnants of their religion is a watered-down, treasonous, pharisaical Judeo-Churchianity that is a pale shadow of the unadulterated Christianity that once fearlessly proclaimed "No King but Jesus" to the English Crown."

Just yesterday I was thinking to myself that our country has become the nation my ancestors risked everything to escape back in 1620.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 03, 2016 11:54 AM  

clk
Its interesting because there appears to be no solution under the current system for healthcare... simply doesn't work in a capitalistic society. We have a large portion of the population unable to afford healthcare which under a free market system is required to show a 15% profit and grown every year.

Yet before the 60's it worked pretty good. Doctors made house calls and preferred to keep sick people out of hospitals. There were charity hospitals run by churches or other groups for people who needed that level of care but couldn't pay for it.

The whole "third party payment" system killed what had worked for decades in a Capitalist country.

Do you have any idea how much HMO's like Kaiser spend on paperwork compliance per year?

Anonymous Drummergirl October 03, 2016 12:25 PM  

"It's rather fascinating to see how one institution after another is collapsing like dominoes while everyone wanders aimlessly around wringing their hands and wondering how this could have happened."

Totally this.

The other day I was seeing a patient in clinic who wants surgery done before the end of the year because he doesn't think he'll have insurance after that thanks to obamacare. He was also lamenting how his rates had doubled over the past year and he is now paying $1200/month for health insurance. I asked if he was voting for Trump and he replied, "No, he's not the answer either".

I guess he must've missed the gazillion times Trump has said he wants to repeal obamacare and privatize insurance. Like all good Minnesotans, I'm sure he takes comfort in knowing his hard-earned dollars will go to pay for healthcare for all those hard-working somalis. At least no one can call him a racist...oh wait - yep, they can - cuz white privilege.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 03, 2016 1:58 PM  

Now they are afraid to call abomination and adultery sin. Instead, they preach against masculinity and nationalism.

This whole Churchian subject needs a tag. I also suggest meming the Spanish Inquisition back into existence. No one would expect it.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 03, 2016 3:56 PM  

Nate wrote:"If brown and black doctors stopped cheating the system, the fraud levels could be manageable. "

/facepalm

No. It wouldn't. It has nothing to do with doctors cheating the system.


Nate, was your point that oligopoly, not fraud, is the problem, and reducing fraud to managable levels wouldn't help enough to notice? It's a similar story with malpractice law.

Blogger James Dixon October 04, 2016 1:45 AM  

> Its interesting because there appears to be no solution under the current system for healthcare... simply doesn't work in a capitalistic society.

Complete and total BS. It worked fine for hundreds of years until governments started getting involved.

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