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Saturday, October 22, 2016

Pardon Julian Assange!

Mike Cernovich advises Donald Trump how to ensure a Trumpslide on November 8th:
Julian Assange is a political prisoner who should be guaranteed safe passage to and refuge in America. If Trump promises to give Julian Assange a full presidential pardon and refugee status in the United States, Trump wins in a landslide.

The News Cycle Trojan Horse.

The hoaxing media has tried to ignore the corruption exposed on Wikileaks, as it implicates the media and exposes them as PR agents for the DNC. We forced the media to cover Wikileaks through the power of social media, which is why the DNC hacked Twitter today.

Trump’s promising to #PardonJulian will become news. The media will be furious. This is a news cycle.

When we don’t create news cycles, the media creates their own news cycles based on hoaxes. We must always be on the offense. Make the hoaxing media respond to us.

Attack, attack, attack. Audacity, audacity, always audacity!

The Trojan horse aspect is simple. By triggering the media into talking about Trump’s promise to pardon Julian, the media will be forced to talk about Wikileaks even more.
In addition to being a brilliant political maneuver, it would also be the right thing to do. Assange has committed no crimes in the USA.

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 22, 2016 8:12 AM  

I did a quick search and I cannot find that anyone has created a white house petition either in Assange's name

Blogger Abyssus Invocat October 22, 2016 8:15 AM  

Anyone else unable to get Drudge, Instapundit or Ace? I'm drawing blank white screens, not even a 404 message.

Anonymous johnc October 22, 2016 8:16 AM  

Won't do anything.

The media won't be "forced" to talk about anything they don't want to talk about. They write the narrative; they don't follow anybody else but their masters.

Nobody cares about Julian Assange or Wikileaks. If the elites want to address the topic, they will successfully paint the guy as some horrible, dangerous criminal who had people killed, and also an alleged rapist, which is even worse.

A Trump pardon wouldn't actually do anything to change Assange's situation in the Ecuadorian embassy.

So far nobody cares about Wikileaks. It's a complete dud to your typical voter. And until they release something interesting to average voters, it will remain that way. Same with the O'Keefe videos.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2016 8:21 AM  

If Trump promises this and Clinton still gets in, Assange is as good as dead. Using a human being like this may be as evil as it gets.

Blogger Franz Lionheart October 22, 2016 8:25 AM  

@4 Concern troll is concerned.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 22, 2016 8:32 AM  

The legacy media seems like a cat fight between white women as to which clique of biddies rules the high school or revenge on sorority row.

In the long run I'll go with Cerno, men primarily white men are finding their voices and women follow men. Even the alt-White is shedding their white princess fetish.

Anonymous Daniel H October 22, 2016 8:33 AM  

Excellent idea. I hope that Trump takes it up.

Blogger Ransom Smith October 22, 2016 8:39 AM  

Has anyone who's still using Twitter been following the Wikileaks account?

Some the things coming out of it are suspicious. Almost as if it's been compromised.

Blogger Keyser Soze October 22, 2016 8:53 AM  

Really brilliant was my first thought. The talking heads would xplode, the people would love it.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 22, 2016 8:56 AM  

Interestingly, the post-third debate polls are showing either a tie (2 way) or a 2 point Trump lead (4 way).

I'm not at all sure about issuing a pardon to Assange. To the extent he's known in right wing circles, it's as a fraud who doctored (or oversaw the doctoring of) a recording of a series of legit engagements in Iraq to make them look like murder, then, indeed, entitled it, "Collateral Murder." On the plus side, the anti-war left would be stifled, but the left really isn't anti-war, for the most part; they're just against any war that serves the interests of western civilization.

The other side of that is it makes it look like Assange is a stooge for Trump, even though that's _most_ unlikely to be the case. It strikes me that using Assange and a pardon for him immediately eliminates the effectiveness of using Assange and a pardon for him.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 22, 2016 8:57 AM  

@2 I'm clean on Ace, HotAir, & Drudge. Haven't peeped Instapundit.

Just posted "When Trump becomes POTUS, he should #PardonJulian" on my Facebook page.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 22, 2016 9:00 AM  

Lately, I've been getting the feeling that Donald Trump is, on some level, Ron Paul 2.0. In the same way that Goldwater formed the foundations for Reagan, Ron Paul formed the foundations for Trump.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 22, 2016 9:06 AM  

Interestingly, the post-third debate polls are showing either a tie (2 way) or a 2 point Trump lead (4 way).

I'm not at all sure about issuing a pardon to Assange. To the extent he's known in right wing circles, it's as a fraud who doctored (or oversaw the doctoring of) a recording of a series of legit engagements in Iraq to make them look like murder, then, indeed, entitled it, "Collateral Murder." On the plus side, the anti-war left would be stifled, but the left really isn't anti-war, for the most part; they're just against any war that serves the interests of western civilization.

The other side of that is it makes it look like Assange is a stooge for Trump, even though that's _most_ unlikely to be the case. It strikes me that using Assange and a pardon for him immediately eliminates the effectiveness of using Assange and a pardon for him.

Blogger #6277 Hammer October 22, 2016 9:06 AM  

@johnc "Won't do anything.

The media won't be "forced" to talk about anything they don't want to talk about"
It can be done and has been done - read Cernovich's MAGA Mindset

Anonymous Desert Rat October 22, 2016 9:07 AM  

Somewhat OT but how about Trump announces that, if elected, he will call upon the states to convene a constitutional convention? He has already said he will ask for term limits but getting the federal legislature to pass such a thing is unlikely (to say the least). Ditto reining in the courts or forcing a responsible budget or putting down the Federal Reserve or repealing the 16th and 17th amendments. It seems to me that if a peaceful (no bullets flying) revolution is what is wanted that this would be one way it could be done.

Blogger The Kurgan October 22, 2016 9:09 AM  

@3 AND @4
Oh you poor Soros trolls. Hard to get traction here eh?

@Tom Kratman,
You're correct, but you're alsonassuming the average American has an IQ that permits that reasoning process. And in that I fear you're very much mistaken. It is hard for normal people to realise the extent of the enstupidation. I know it surprises me daily.

Blogger YIH October 22, 2016 9:12 AM  

Abyssus Invocat wrote:Anyone else unable to get Drudge, Instapundit or Ace? I'm drawing blank white screens, not even a 404 message.
Drudge works for me, but unz.com (Sailer, ect) comes up with:
Your access to this site has been limited

Your access to this service has been temporarily limited. Please try again in a few minutes. (HTTP response code 503)

Reason: Exceeded the maximum number of requests per minute for crawlers.

Blogger Timmy3 October 22, 2016 9:13 AM  

If Hillary is guilty of being careless with classified documents, letting her nemesis free isn't making a case for Trump. The difference is Donald wasn't in public office so his emails weren't available to be hacked. Nonetheless, the sexual assault charges are suspect. He isn't being charged with hacking.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 22, 2016 9:17 AM  

@3 & @4 Why do you guys come to sites like this to troll? This practice makes no sense. I can understand why you guys come to, say, Hot Air (I see you dudes from time to time) but coming here is like going to a Slayer concert to complain that the music to too loud.

Anonymous Godfrey October 22, 2016 9:19 AM  

But... but... Assange sexually assaults women?

Sound familiar? It's the global regime's favorite smear.

Blogger tz October 22, 2016 9:19 AM  

@15 Mock Convention produced several amendments, and Texas has several too. He could propose the congress pass them and states ratify.

Assange first, but also the Hammonds (Burns Oregon), those who didn't get the Hillary deal for selfies in the wrong place etc. Clear out the prisons for the elite real criminals.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 22, 2016 9:19 AM  

Not expecting a reasoning process at all, K; expect pure instinct and emotion to take over. The reasoning is on this end and concerns how the instincts and emotions will play out.

Blogger James Dixon October 22, 2016 9:26 AM  

Well, Assange and Snowden.

Blogger William Meisheid October 22, 2016 9:27 AM  

Re: Access Problems.
The web is being hacked again...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/22/business/internet-problems-attack.html

Anonymous Dave October 22, 2016 9:27 AM  

Let us stop the pardons altogether. The Obummer pardon party before he leaves office will probably set records...

Anonymous johnc October 22, 2016 9:30 AM  

@19 Never been a reader of Hot Air and I don't post there.

Julian Assange is an interesting topic for political junkies, but for average people who don't like politics but vote (i.e., most people), it's a non-issue. John Podesta's emails are not even on their radar and they don't want it to be on their radar. That could change when (if) Assange actually releases something interesting to average people.

I'm just being realistic about the state of people's minds out there.

I think Scott Adams had a pretty accurate take of the situation in one of his recent postings. Everyone knows Hillary is a corrupt pile of steaming poo. Most people don't care. They just expect it from a politician. And the truth is, most Americans would act just like Hillary if they were in her shoes.

Burn it down. Burn it all the way down and then burn the ashes down too.

Anonymous RC October 22, 2016 9:35 AM  

"You're correct, but you're alsonassuming the average American has an IQ that permits that reasoning process. And in that I fear you're very much mistaken. It is hard for normal people to realise the extent of the enstupidation. I know it surprises me daily." Kurgan

This. A recent comment from a local English prof: "If it weren't for homeschoolers I wouldn't have any majors in the department." Second semester college students incapable of writing in complete sentences bodes poorly. I think ignorance and apathy is more to blame than low IQ.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Grab 'Em By The Pussy And Their Hearts And Minds Will Follow ) October 22, 2016 9:44 AM  

13. Tom Kratman October 22, 2016 9:06 AM
On the plus side, the anti-war left would be stifled, but the left really isn't anti-war, for the most part; they're just against any war that serves the interests of western civilization.



i don't see how this isn't a non sequitur.

are you saying that the Left would NOT really be stifled after all?

if you are admitting that they'd still be rebuffed by an Assange asylum proposal ... isn't that the point of the proposal? stifling them for the election?

of course the Left loves war. we've known that for a long damn time. especially if they can make you wear high heels as you march off to the front line.

Blogger Paul October 22, 2016 9:51 AM  

Re: Inability to Tweet cat videos: read your Bruce Schneier from a month ago.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/someone_is_lear.html

Blogger bob kek mando ( Grab 'Em By The Pussy And Their Hearts And Minds Will Follow ) October 22, 2016 9:57 AM  

27. RC October 22, 2016 9:35 AM
Second semester college students incapable of writing in complete sentences bodes poorly.



just heard one of the anchors on the Weather channel make a comment yesterday that really depressed me.

in a discussion about Invest 99-L ( i think ) one of the talking heads made a comment about the depression having the characteristics of many different types of storms ...

and referred to it as a "pure hybrid".

*facedesk*

i also personally know a woman with a college degree who doesn't / didn't know what 'lewd' meant.

Blogger Mountain Man October 22, 2016 9:57 AM  

The trolls are hovering around the site today....it only took until comment 3

Blogger Keyser Soze October 22, 2016 10:07 AM  

I suspect that the unwashed masses have enough awareness to realize that the counter pose to the media narrative is positive for them ( the unwashed).

Blogger Paul October 22, 2016 10:10 AM  

The trolls are hovering around the site today....it only took until comment 3

Speaking of echo chambers, Spengler on why Trump will win:

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2016/10/20/the-roof-blows-off-the-echo-chamber/?singlepage=true

Anonymous rienzi October 22, 2016 10:17 AM  

The Wikileaks and Veritas revelations probably do have an impact on the right half of the bell curve, but these things just bounce of the brains of those on the left side. To get through to them you need pure rhetoric: "Hillary is a dyke", "Hillary said "nigger", "Hillary snorts coke". This is the sort of stuff they can understand, and if you want to win, this is the sort of stuff you have to use. No holds barred.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 22, 2016 10:18 AM  

Obama is out there blaming far right media for his woes

Anonymous Jordi October 22, 2016 10:20 AM  

Let's hope people close to Trump campaign team reads your blog

Blogger pyrrhus October 22, 2016 10:44 AM  

I think that Trump should also promise to allow all student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, along with getting the Feds out of the student loan business. The current situation is a disgrace.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 22, 2016 10:59 AM  

That the actual anti-war left is a very small subset of the left, Bob, so they'd be stifled but it wouldn't matter.

Blogger Hen October 22, 2016 11:01 AM  

Yes, I was thinking about a Julian pardon and repatriation this morning--that would work super. Even find him a position in the new administration if he'd like.

Anonymous Avalanche October 22, 2016 11:02 AM  

If Trump pardons Assange -- either promise before or action after -- the Clinton Mob will STILL murder him.

Still, he could possibly get enough protection -- and live far enough "out" (Wyoming? Montana?) -- that he (or his bodyguard-army) could see them coming and act first? Maybe he and Ed S. can live on a big-old "compound" and share the cost of the army? (I'd kick in some $$...)

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 22, 2016 11:16 AM  

He should announce the pardon of Assange and then offhandedly mention that he is considering a pardon of Clinton if it will be for the good of the country.

Audacity! Audacity! Audacity! Damn straight. Just make sure they don't boobytrap your jeep...

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 22, 2016 11:17 AM  

Assange is gonna be the Man in the High Castle.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2016 11:25 AM  

You troll kæras are like a bunch of old fljóðs, squawking at every rustle in the trees.

OpenID malcolmthecynic October 22, 2016 11:26 AM  

I get that we're all searching around for rabbits to pull out of hats, but promising to pardon Julian Assange will not matter in the slightest. Most people don't know who Julian Assange is, or care.

Blogger Basil Makedon October 22, 2016 11:52 AM  

He should do it anyway, once he's President, but I agree it's not going to do anything now. He should promise to pardon Comey -- once Comey has come clean.

Anonymous FAILBOAT October 22, 2016 12:03 PM  

Assange's doesn't need a pardon. He is wanted for questioning in Sweden re: sexual assault charges that are known to be bullshit. The idea that this leads to an arrest for crimes in the uk or extradition to the us is something invented by wikileaks.

This is a long running game of 'hide amd go fuck yourself. The babysitter suggests a game of 'hide and seek' to an obnoxious child, the kid hides, stops annoying the babysitter, and at the end of the night, declares victory.

This political statement would have no real meaning, but would spin up the news, so probably a good idea, but really, whenever assange is ready to give up the martyr status, he can just walk out of the embassy and deal with his legal issues in Sweden.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Grab 'Em By The Pussy And Their Hearts And Minds Will Follow ) October 22, 2016 12:22 PM  

38. Tom Kratman October 22, 2016 10:59 AM
That the actual anti-war left is a very small subset of the left, Bob, so they'd be stifled but it wouldn't matter.



a - the whole Left makes pretenses to being anti-War ( look at all of those who claimed Shrub was worse than Hitler, i met more than one of these IRL )

b - the actual, sign carrying, demonstrating anti-War Left is also disproportionally high energy for the Left. dispiriting them will have much broader knock on effects.



you seem to be saying that whatever stifling of the Left would be counter balanced by the stifling of the Right ... due to that Wikileaks hatchet job.

but until you brought that up, i didn't even know about it.

i don't know how widespread that info is.

besides, all information from every source should be examined critically.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 22, 2016 12:51 PM  

This political statement would have no real meaning, but would spin up the news, so probably a good idea, but really, whenever assange is ready to give up the martyr status, he can just walk out of the embassy and deal with his legal issues in Sweden.

No. Have you ever been falsely accused of rape? I have, of a girl I hadn't even had sex with. And it isn't easy to deal with. So eff you and your bad advice.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2016 12:53 PM  

This was originally on another thread, but I'll copy it here since it's a Trump-relevant thread:

VD wrote the other day:

The trick, I think, will be to watch what happens as the polls go into the final week. If they tighten dramatically, that means the pollsters have been playing games and are attempting to cover themselves, which suggests Trump will win. That's what happened with Brexit.

And now we have:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN12L1UI
Reuters: Trump gains on Clinton, poll shows 'rigged' message resonates

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump gained on his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton among American voters this week, cutting her lead nearly in half, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released on Friday."

Blogger John Morris October 22, 2016 1:17 PM  

Don't really like the idea. Lots of reasons, but the important ones are:

1. A guy like Assange works best outside the system. For good or ill.

2. Promising a pardon means Trump instantly owns ALL of Assange's criminality and Acts of War against the U.S. Have you all forgot the stuff intended to get U.S. soldiers killed? Anyone who can't see how that media Narrative would play out isn't paying attention.

3. Assange's ego will never allow him to stop leaking. It is his only ticket to importance. Bet on future leaks embarrassing to Trump. Which would be awkward.

4. Pardoning a guy who exists only to leak government secrets undermines the "Lock her up!" attitude against HRC for being reckless with secrets. Keeping that attack clean is more important than any short term benefit of a promise to pardon winning a single news cycle.

OpenID lordofthehundreds October 22, 2016 1:30 PM  

@15 Trump doesn't need to call a Con-Con; the House Judiciary Cmte is just three states away from officially recognizing state memorial declarations sent to Congress. They need 34 states and they now have 31. And they haven't counted 1979, which has at least five states to push them over the top.

I've been calling this news the largest "black swan" of this crazy election. Can you imagine the turmoil after Clinton or Trump is called the victor that the news is released of the United States having the authority to call a convention to change the Constitution? That's going to be mindblowing, and no one is talking about it.

Here's the official state memorial list from the Clerk of the House: http://clerk.house.gov/legislative/memorials.aspx

The Cmte has been slowly tabulating the state calls for about a year. Chances are that Chairman Goodlatte and the Cmte counsel know exactly what kind of bombshell they are creating with their work and do not want to publicize it any more than they have to.

BTW, they've actually had the state numbers to call a convention since 1907, but it's only this Congress where the money and authority to officially collect the list of states has been authorized. www.foavc.org for more information about this obscure but vitally fascinating news.

Anonymous Choose Life October 22, 2016 1:52 PM  

Surprised no mention yet of the strong possibility Assange is dead or in custody. No one has seen or heard anything at all from him since the supposed "internet cut" (how is that supposed to work with cellphones, etc.?). Old pictures and videos are being passed off as proof of life, which is even more suspicious. See 8chan's thorough investigation of the intel/blackmail/money-laundering front "Todd and Claire" that in the past two weeks accused Assange of "cyber-molestation" and sued him in London:


http://8ch.net/pol/res/7908914.html

Anonymous Just another commenter October 22, 2016 1:54 PM  

I wonder how many people have use the local media "tip" lines to point them to WikiLeaks and Project Veritas? Yes, they lilely already know, but if they are getting hundred of people reporting the same tip, and telling them they are just Dem hack press-release printers if they don't cover it, and the lack of trust and balance is why the legacy media is dying, will have to take a toll in the back office. It lets them know we know. Be polite, but be blunt and clear: lack of coverage = your brand dies, and your job along with it.

Anonymous Discard October 22, 2016 2:04 PM  

34. reienzi: Hilary said "Nigger"? I may have to reconsider my electoral choices.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2016 2:11 PM  

Discard wrote:Hilary said "Nigger"? I may have to reconsider my electoral choices.
Now that's comedy.

Blogger Mr. Naron October 22, 2016 2:15 PM  

Fialboat is correct in that you can't pardon someone if they didn't commit a crime. What Trump should do is offer Assange political asylum.

It would help Trump because this is an outsider election. He needs to show that he's on the side of the whistleblowers.

I only hope that he'd follow through once elected. My guess is that he'd crack down on them as hard as Hillary will.

Of course there's no guessing what she'll do. The human centipede is going to become standard federal policy.

Blogger Ken Prescott October 22, 2016 2:18 PM  

As far as I can tell, Mr. Assange has not committed a crime that falls under any U. S. federal jurisdiction.

Anonymous Kolya October 22, 2016 2:20 PM  

WOW! Trump is holding a royal flush.

Blogger Shimshon October 22, 2016 2:47 PM  

I could see why Trump would and should pardon Assange. I was just thinking the other day how Assange must very likely want Trump to win, while disclaiming same, because Trump is a chance for him to be extricated from his plight. But I don't see how it would win Trump the election. As someone else noted, Wikileaks is still a wonky subject for most voters (MPAI but also MEGO). And some group actively dislike Assange despite his bona fides as a true hero.

Blogger OGRE October 22, 2016 3:00 PM  

Here in bumfuck West Virginia, everyone is quite aware of who Assange is and what has been released in wikileaks. These are not all highly educated, news consuming people. But the MSM has lost the ability to hide news that fails to conform to their narrative; the internet is killing the legacy media in more ways than one.

OpenID randkoch October 22, 2016 3:05 PM  

Not everyone thinks of Assange as a hero.

It's hard to imagine Trump promising a pardon for Assange (which would be pointless if he hadn't committed crimes). He might gain support from the far left fringe, but it tears at the fabric of his pro-Gitmo stance.

Blogger Matt October 22, 2016 3:29 PM  

Snowden would of course be assassinated within a year of returning, but Trump's comments about Snowden have always pissed me off. He deserves a pardon and a medal of honor. The CIA and NSA ar3 criminal enterprises, flooding this nation with heroin.

Blogger Matt October 22, 2016 3:30 PM  

@randkoch
At this point, he will have to truly become a Great Unifier.

Blogger Lew Rand October 22, 2016 3:34 PM  

Well my sample of one (my mother) who is probably still voting Clinton despite my best efforts said flat out she would vote for Trump if he did it.

I think a better approach would be "I will be pardon Julian Assange, UNLESS the intelligence agencies prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt he committed real crimes, not just inconvenienced them"

Or something like that. Not a real wordsmith. Just going for the avoid the blanket pardon but put the onus on the government to prove he actually broke a real law. And yes I understand this has some negatives too. Just throwing it into the soup.

Anonymous BGKB October 22, 2016 3:34 PM  

Not everyone thinks of Assange as a hero.

He should pardon the special forces soldier ,Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland, who beat up the rapist of an 11yo boy and offer him his position back if he wants it. The people who flip out over it will inspire the normies to vote TRUMP, if he would have offered it in front of Anderson Cooper, he could had him triggered for the rest of the debate. Even better have him replace the gay secretary of the army with Martland. The old leftists HilLIARy queens will go crazy. Or at least offer him a security job.

the actual, sign carrying, demonstrating anti-War Left is also disproportionally high energy for the Left.

Did you not watch the veritas this week those people are paid.

Con-Con; the House Judiciary Cmte is just three states away from officially recognizing state

Part of me fears the Con-con being a con full of people Soros has videos of snorting cocaine off of children. If it happens TRUMP should have a seal team do some wetwork on Epstein island, and then release all the videos before the convention. It might turn out to be a Con-con where the highest ranking Democrats from a state were dog catchers the month before.

nyone else unable to get Drudge, Instapundit or Ace? I'm drawing blank white screens, not even a 404 message

I tried getting on to Unz/Steve Sailor and got some sort of wordfence page.

I'm not at all sure about issuing a pardon to Assange

Assange used to be a leftist and doxed the names of the British National Party members getting many of them fired. He only seems to be on our side because of the whoreendus dirt he has found about leftists. Think of him as a burglar who set free a couple little white girls chained up in Cohen-Goldstien's basement. Perhaps offering him asylum or a protected trip to russia would be better.

Speaking of echo chambers, Spengler on why Trump will win:

Most faggots think TRUMPs catholic dinner speech hurt him.

OpenID randkoch October 22, 2016 3:59 PM  

#64: I think a better approach would be "I will be pardon Julian Assange, UNLESS the intelligence agencies prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt he committed real crimes, not just inconvenienced them"

Not committing crimes is irrelevant in war. Most Gitmo detainees weren't criminals, and yet the Supreme Court says it's legal to hold them. Very, very few WWII German POWs committed crimes, and nobody thought it was wrong to hold them until after the end of that war. That's the way things work in wars.

Assange is a propagandist who has helped the jihad, and doesn't mind at all encouraging jihadis to use innocent children as human shields. Not a crime, perhaps, but not problem-free.

I realize that not everyone shares my position on Assange, but my view on this sort of thing are a lot closer to Trump's. Trump may be an isolationist, but he's on record as despising al Qaeda and ISIS. That's difficult to unwind at this point of the campaign.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 6:04 PM  

This is a great idea. Cernovich doesn't get enough credit for his political smarts.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 22, 2016 6:06 PM  

The only war crime is losing, no victor was ever hanged. That said, morality matters in 4GW and in other ways.

Anonymous Grinder October 22, 2016 6:24 PM  

I think a pardon promise for Assange would be an excellent move for the same reasons Rienzi mentioned in #34. It will not sway everyone but the Bernie Sanders supporters will like it and some will change their vote. The niggers and spics won't vote differently over this. Will anyone supporting Trump change their vote over this? Future WikiLeaks post-Trump election can be dealt with depending on if they harm the interests of white Americans or they can be used to purge the federal ranks of (((5th Column))) traitors. Winning the election is the first priority right not and a flawed candidate like Trump needs to use every advantage he can get. The best available candidate doesn't just win because they deserve to.

Blogger Paul October 22, 2016 6:26 PM  

We're not confusing Assange with Snowden, are we?

For Cernovich's brilliant political maneuver to become anything beyond abstract rhetorical inspiration for this blog, Julian Assange personally will have had to have already have committed a crime against the U.S. and already been indicted or prosecuted by the U.S. for it.

A pardon is not a hall pass, get out of jail free card, or any other sort of future blessing. It is a legal absolution for a past legally adjudicated crime. Nor is Assange even at risk from the U.S. merely "because WikiLeaks". He's just a publisher of material, no different from the NYT publishing Trump's illegally obtained tax returns. One would first have to prove that Assange personally or people under his direction hacked U.S. cyber assets.

And surely everyone realizes American President Trump can't pardon Australian Assange for crimes alleged by Swedish authorities.

This isn't merely not a good idea, it's not even an idea.

I think a better idea might be for those of us who haven't yet built a multi-billion dollar empire in top end real estate and other assets to simply vote for Trump rather than trying to help him steer his campaign in the final two weeks.

Anonymous Grinder October 22, 2016 6:37 PM  

Pardon is just for short. Really Assange should be offered immunity from prosecution in exchange for disclosing information regarding the lies told by gov't to the people to justify constitutional abuses. Snowden should be given the same offer. It would be helpful in ferretting out the numerous freemasons who have infiltrated the gov't.

Blogger Paul October 22, 2016 6:43 PM  

Pardon is just for short.

Ah, good. Because Trump couldn't even pardon Hillary unless and until his AG had indicted her first.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2016 7:12 PM  

Lionheart? Hehe. You troll sniffers are more like a bunch of old fljóðs, squawking at every rustle in the trees.

Blogger Phillip George October 22, 2016 7:27 PM  

DDOS and paid up professional trolls right here.

Suggest it looking more likely he is already dead. The paid trolls to misinform on a story means that there IS a story to be messed with.

No one fakes a 3 dollar bill. The fake twitter releases are a nail in the coffin.

[Am awaiting a suicide story. Is the body in a 2 degrees celsius nitrogen cool room?]
This has all been about as "not right" as it gets. Like a flaperon with barnacles all over it. It doesn't compute. It's a physical impossibility. Try getting a metal object to float just below the surface of the water for months in all weather conditions. You'll need a dynamic buoyancy compensator run by a computer. The wreckage doesn't have one. MH 370 was mass murder from the same crew as employs the above trolls. Aiding and abetting a murder is a crime. Trolls have blood on their hands/ keyboards. Indelible blood stains.

The stories are bogus. Some of the above posters are bogus.

Blogger OGRE October 22, 2016 8:01 PM  

I imagine if Assange does "kill himself," he will probably cremate his remains and personally toss them into the sea.

Anonymous Reader October 22, 2016 9:05 PM  

I do not consider Assange a hero and I'm an Australian citizen and the mother of a son who graduated from the same university Assange went to but never graduated.

I think Assange is a globalist not unlike the United Nations. He acts as a global police exposing governments without care for the consequences, other than his own personal safety.

What right does he have to expose communications between govt officials? He is not a U.S. citizen and he is not a person elected by the people to represent them. All governments have skeletons in their closets. Surely, if dug enough we will find dirt in any government.

Surely, even the government has the right to their own property and right to privacy, especially from a non-citizen.

Wikileaks is founded by the United Nations and the Fairfax Media here in Aus which is an out and out leftist organisation.

He may not be a rapist. But having sex with different women in the same week, in my opinion, reflects what kind of a man he is.

Blogger G-S. October 22, 2016 9:22 PM  

Most Americans don't give a flying fuck about Assange.

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2016 9:53 PM  

Reader wrote:Surely, if dug enough we will find dirt in any government.

Yah. So?

Dig away, yes?

Are governments sacred to you?

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2016 9:56 PM  

Reader wrote:Surely, even the government has the right to their own property and right to privacy, especially from a non-citizen.

Governments don't have property of their own. Their "property" is paid for by taxpayers. I have no problem with a non-citizen alerting me to governments abusing MY property.

Blogger Lazarus October 22, 2016 9:57 PM  

G-S. wrote:Most Americans don't give a flying fuck about Assange.

Most Americans Are Idiots. (MAAI)

Blogger Phillip George October 22, 2016 10:25 PM  

Reader I see that if you separate your sexual trists by a fortnight you occupy the high moral ground. Perhaps you could advertise that with your next prospect. They could be thankful that they can know whatever it is that's growing had some time to incubate.

Murdering journalists and political opponents isn't quite the same. But thanks for letting us know your line in the sand.

Government is not meant to be "private". They don't have "private" secrets

Anonymous BGKB October 22, 2016 10:33 PM  

Julian Assange personally will have had to have already have committed a crime against the U.S. and already been indicted or prosecuted by the U.S. for it.

Didn't Clinton pardon a child rapist who fled the US never prosecuted? Nevermind it was a financial crime (((Mark Rich))).

Blogger Phillip George October 22, 2016 11:07 PM  

https://vid.me/rgBu

on breaking laws to save lives. The Judge is expressing rather candid concerns about Hillary's culpability in the death's of intelligence operatives.

There will never be an election like this one. A civil war is already happening.

Rest in Peace Christopher Stevens.

OpenID randkoch October 23, 2016 12:08 AM  

President Nixon was pardoned without being indicted.

Governments don't have property of their own. Their "property" is paid for by taxpayers. I have no problem with a non-citizen alerting me to governments abusing MY property.

Governments naturally have a need for secrets. There's nothing in the Constitution that says the public has a right to know its defense secrets. All we can really hope for is that one party doesn't have a monopoly on security clearances.

Blogger Lew Rand October 23, 2016 1:28 AM  

Looks like I have a sparring partner. I'd agree with you if governments used the power wisely.

So after 60 years, do we have a right to know what really happened to JFK? Or is that still a defense secret? I'd like more details on 9/11 too but I think that is still a little fresh.

Hell I'll take the air control tapes from Ukraine that ordered that plane into a war zone.

Most secrets seem to be about coups or protect incompetence and not about actually keeping the country safe. (Except maybe revolution)

Blogger Lew Rand October 23, 2016 1:29 AM  

Looks like I have a sparring partner. I'd agree with you if governments used the power wisely.

So after 60 years, do we have a right to know what really happened to JFK? Or is that still a defense secret? I'd like more details on 9/11 too but I think that is still a little fresh.

Hell I'll take the air control tapes from Ukraine that ordered that plane into a war zone.

Most secrets seem to be about coups or protect incompetence and not about actually keeping the country safe. (Except maybe revolution)

OpenID randkoch October 23, 2016 3:02 AM  

It's against the law to classify something merely because of incompetence unless its exposure would harm national security or damage foreign relations. That explains keeping coup-related things secret.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that JFK was killed by a left-wing nutcase. If it's still a defense secret now, after 50 years, it's probably UFO-related. I'm staying with the nutcase theory.

Ukraine is too recent.

One problem you've got is that both major parties have access to a wide variety of secrets. Trump has access now that he's a candidate.

The government often gives access to people with a legitimate need to know. Reuters was given private access to the Apache video after their two reporters were killed.

Then there are leaks aplenty, and yet they never tell the whopping conspiracies that people want to think are out there.

Back in 2009, Lawrence Wilkerson said there were still innocent men in Guantanamo. Then Bradley Lucinda Manning hands the Gitmo files to Wikileaks, and those innocent men weren't as clearly innocent as he wanted us to believe. Yes, federal judges did say that a number should have been released, but they were borderline cases. And yes, there had been some (likely) innocent detainees earlier, but they were released years earlier after analysts decided there wasn't enough there. A few others were cleared to leave earlier, but we couldn't send them home because "innocent" doesn't mean nice, and their home countries would have arrested them. Wilkerson was just shooting his mouth off.

Say what you like about Snowden, but his secrets weren't exactly shocking. I'm guessing the movie about him is probably going to exaggerate what the NSA was doing.

Blogger Paul October 23, 2016 7:58 AM  

President Nixon was pardoned without being indicted.

Nixon was in the process of being impeached (indicted) by the House for obstruction of justice. Ford's pardon preempted Nixon from facing trial before the full house:

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/rnimparticles.htm

The point is really moot, though. The suggestion that Trump should pardon Assange is audacity, audacity, audacity, always audacity designed to raise Mike Cernovich's profile - and more power to him - not Trump's. You don't really think anyone in Trump's camp would take this seriously, do you?

Blogger Noel Bon Tempo October 23, 2016 11:31 AM  

Nixon's resignation prevented Nixon from being impeached by the House and tried by the Senate. Ford's pardon only covered potential violations of the law for which Nixon could be charged with after he left office.

Anonymous BGKB October 23, 2016 11:34 AM  

Or is that still a defense secret? I'd like more details on 9/11 too but I think that is still a little fresh.

They still wont release info on MLK, but several people who have seen his FBI file said he liked to beat white whores. I have tried to black knight minorities into pushing for the release of his FBI files to show how "racist" they were.

Blogger Paul October 23, 2016 1:33 PM  

Nixon's resignation prevented Nixon from being impeached by the House and tried by the Senate. Ford's pardon only covered potential violations of the law for which Nixon could be charged with after he left office.

You and I are both correct. My sentence "Ford's pardon preempted Nixon from facing trial before the full house" is incorrect.

The articles of impeachment in July identified the high crimes and misdemeanors for which Nixon would be formally impeached and tried. Had Nixon actually been impeached by the full House and Senate, the Constitution would have prevented Ford from pardoning him. However, neither could Ford pardon Nixon prior to the identification of crimes committed. Thus the identical problem with the remote and innocent Assange.

Again, this rallying cry is designed solely to drive traffic to VD and Cernovich, a fine idea in its own right. Outside that bubble, though, no legal reality nor political traction supports it.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 23, 2016 4:53 PM  

Paul wrote:And surely everyone realizes American President Trump can't pardon Australian Assange for crimes alleged by Swedish authorities.

This isn't merely not a good idea, it's not even an idea.


The point is to get people talking. Are you an aspie or a troll?

Blogger Basil Makedon October 23, 2016 10:28 PM  

Again, the idea of indicating that someone will be pardoned is a good one. However, the recipient of this action needs to be someone not necessarily expected.

People might consider Trump to be indebted to a degree to Assange. Preemptively pardoning Assange only draws attention to that, and will persuade some people that Assange is only doing what he is doing for the potential pardon.

Instead, I would argue for pardoning Comey for his manifest obstruction of justice and conspiracy to cover up the crimes of Hillary Clinton -- provided that he come clean about what he has done and why.

By covering for Clinton, Comey has helped Clinton and not Trump; therefore, by offering a pardon to Comey, Trump draws attention to that situation and how the FBI has been corrupted (as is all else) by Clinton. Note: I do not expect Comey to ever talk, and so Trump never need pardon him, but to make the offer is to raise the subject.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 24, 2016 8:50 AM  

That might work, Basil.

Blogger Unknown October 24, 2016 8:07 PM  

Talking about what? How much more inept a statesman Trump is likely to be than Clinton?

Blogger Unknown October 24, 2016 11:52 PM  

This is a better strategy. The idea of a pardon has shades of genius, but not Assange, not now and not by Trump.

Blogger John Strickland November 06, 2016 7:47 AM  

Just on that coment about no pardon for rape in Switzerlandor wharever ,everyone knows that was fabricated against him by hillarys mates to get him to USA and silence him to stop the shit she is looking at now,go trump

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