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Thursday, October 06, 2016

Russia warns USAF

No more "oops-sorry-we-bombed-your-allies" little "mistakes" will be permitted in Syria:
Russia’s Defense Ministry has cautioned the US-led coalition of carrying out airstrikes on Syrian army positions, adding in Syria there are numerous S-300 and S-400 air defense systems up and running.

Russia currently has S-400 and S-300 air-defense systems deployed to protect its troops stationed at the Tartus naval supply base and the Khmeimim airbase. The radius of the weapons reach may be “a surprise” to all unidentified flying objects, Russian Defense Ministry spokesperson General Igor Konashenkov said.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, any airstrike or missile hitting targets in territory controlled by the Syrian government would put Russian personnel in danger. The defense official said that members of the Russian Reconciliation Center in Syria are working “on the ground” delivering aid and communicating with a large number of communities in Syria.

“Therefore, any missile or air strikes on the territory controlled by the Syrian government will create a clear threat to Russian servicemen. Russian air defense system crews are unlikely to have time to determine in a ‘straight line’ the exact flight paths of missiles and then who the warheads belong to. And all the illusions of amateurs about the existence of ‘invisible’ jets will face a disappointing reality,”  Konashenkov added.
Translation: if the US pretends to mistakenly bomb Syrian ground troops, Russia will pretend to mistakenly shoot down US planes.

Interesting that all the drums beating about how the evil Rooskies bombed an aid convoy have fallen completely silent. Sometimes, the probable truth of a narrative can be discerned by how quickly it is abandoned.

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Blogger Escoffier October 06, 2016 7:17 PM  

I have to say I'm getting a really bad feeling about this like the we is already scheduled and this is all window dressing.

Blogger Escoffier October 06, 2016 7:18 PM  

WAR! The war is already planned.

Blogger Ben Cohen October 06, 2016 7:19 PM  

WWIII moment?

Blogger Johnny October 06, 2016 7:23 PM  

I doubt we want a real war, but given current leadership, who knows.

Blogger Alexandros October 06, 2016 7:24 PM  

I am curious how effective the S-400 systems actually are; there is a lot of propaganda on both sides.

The consensus on the US side is that the S-300 is deadly to anything but an F-22 while the S-400 is just an upgraded S-300.

The consensus on the Russian side is the same as the US side with regard to the S-300, but with the added supposition that the S-400 can kill anything and everything.

I want to believe that the age of the stealth fighter bombing serbs/syrians into dust just so that jihadists can move in is over, but I don't know what to believe.

Anyone have an idea just how effective Russian area denial is compared to burgerland equipment?

Anonymous CloseHauled October 06, 2016 7:34 PM  

"And all the illusions of amateurs about the existence of ‘invisible’ jets will face a disappointing reality,” Konashenkov added."

I think he is saying the F-22 is not invisible to the Russians.

Maybe Israel will torpedo the US carrier so blame falls on the Russians.

Anonymous The S:Py October 06, 2016 7:36 PM  

1: The economy is getting ready to tank.
2: The only diversion/remedy to the coming QE catastrophe will be a nuclear showdown with the beast from the east.
3: Rinse and repeat.

War what is it good for.....absolutely nothing......except getting the economy back on track.

Blogger pyrrhus October 06, 2016 7:37 PM  

@7 I don't see much of an economy being left if the nukes start flying....

Anonymous Roginald October 06, 2016 7:40 PM  

Can the globalists in the West start WW3 if the U.S. military rank and file refuse to fight another unnecessary war?

Blogger pyrrhus October 06, 2016 7:40 PM  

It's been known for some time that Stealth Technology has not stood the test of advanced radar development. US pilots should not ever test the s-300 and s-400 technologies...

Blogger ace October 06, 2016 7:42 PM  

While I definitely don't think the US should tangle with Russia, their own claims about their military capabilities are not an indication of anything.

Blogger ace October 06, 2016 7:43 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:It's been known for some time that Stealth Technology has not stood the test of advanced radar development. US pilots should not ever test the s-300 and s-400 technologies...

What is your source for this?

Blogger Johnny October 06, 2016 7:44 PM  

Russia is a country with many dangerous borders and can not afford to look weak. They would also lose a protracted conventional war with us because we can outspend them several times over. Putting these things together I suspect they may be willing to go nuclear very early in a conflict because there would be less chance of a general nuclear exchange if they waited until later. And later the could well feel compelled to do it.

So, do we really want to risk this in a conflict when no vital US interests are involved and where it isn't even clear to the general public whose side we are on? With Obama who knows?? Maybe we do.

Blogger Fenris Wulf October 06, 2016 7:46 PM  

Suddenly I'm rooting for Russia against my own government.

Somebody shoot me. I've turned into a Leftist.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 06, 2016 7:47 PM  

The Russians may be totally bragging. Only fools would decide to find out the hard way over Syria.

Oh, wait, I just described the entire 0 foreign policy "team".

Anonymous Helton Strom October 06, 2016 7:49 PM  

Dog, meet Wag. Wag, dog.

Good.

Now that all the introductions have been made, let us sit down and figure out how we can solve our collective problems, while providing each other a convenient scapegoat. I'm sure we can reach an agreement that will cost not less than 450 servicemen each as a sufficient provocation for domestic crackdowns, and likely a quarter million locals in-theater, at least on the first pass. Sound reasonable to everyone? Agreed. OK, Vlad, if you can....

(to be continued, perhaps)

Blogger Alexandros October 06, 2016 7:53 PM  

I would also like a source on the stealth technology claim. I want to believe that it can be countered so that they can prevent another Serbian style castration in Syria and replace the sane ones with all those crazies.

Blogger Mountain Man October 06, 2016 7:54 PM  

Oh but this guy isn't afraid:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1921458/us-army-chief-mark-milley-fires-terrifying-threat-to-russia-over-syria-and-warns-well-beat-you-any-where-any-time/

I'm sure this "terrifying ass whooping " will scheduled in between mandatory LGBTQ inclusiveness seminars... of course.

Historically, this is the level of hubris that has always been in place right before a Russian aggressor gets drop kicked - hard.

Anonymous Northwest Watching Thing October 06, 2016 7:56 PM  

@15 Same. The difference is leftists want us to lose. I just want us to stop being busybody bullies, and Russia has the ability to put us in our place (hopefully with minimal lots of life).

Blogger Mountain Man October 06, 2016 7:57 PM  

"Russia is a country with many dangerous borders and can not afford to look weak. They would also lose a protracted conventional war with us because we can outspend them several times over."

I call bullshit on this one. China holds most of our debt along with our manufacturing base. She will not stand by idly while this shit show goes down. In her typical eastern way she will silently - without fanfare- deny the US of many of its basic material hardware.. all with a nice pleasant smile on her face.

Blogger Mountain Man October 06, 2016 8:01 PM  

"War what is it good for.....absolutely nothing......except getting the economy back on track."

...and helping those poor, downtrodden Skypes - like the House of Rostchild and Gyorg Schwartz ( Soros) , pick up cheap assets for pennies on the dollar

Blogger Johnny October 06, 2016 8:01 PM  

And while we are at it, with Russian troops on the ground, a war is Syria is a war with Russia. Are our ships at sea at risk? Our air bases?

Lets not get macho here. It may be fun but there is no gain to it. What exactly is the gain vs risk ratio. Is it actually worth helping the Saudis to do this crap, because they are the most obvious beneficiaries of our policy.

Anonymous Mike October 06, 2016 8:02 PM  

The "international community" may find themselves forced to import the nations of this earth; rather than rule they them where they stand — a domestic empire of sorts.

Anonymous DT October 06, 2016 8:05 PM  

@21 - I call bullshit on this one. China holds most of our debt along with our manufacturing base.

The American people hold most of the U.S. debt, either directly or through local governments and pension funds.

That doesn't mean we can afford a war with Russia over Syria. With $20T in debt and a $1.4T yearly deficit we cannot.

That won't stop politicians or even some generals from mouthing off though.

Blogger E. William Brown October 06, 2016 8:07 PM  

@5 The truth is no one knows, because Russia has carefully avoided any situation where their air defense systems would be pitted against modern US aircraft since the 1970s. For a long time the general belief was that US, which spends at least an order of magnitude more than Russia does on both R&D and training, had decisively pulled ahead on quality. This would make Russian SAMs essentially useless against US aircraft, which has indeed been the case with the export models they sell to Third World nations. But recently the quality of US forces has begun to drop, and Russia has been investing in R&D again, so some people have started to think they have teeth after all.

We won't know for sure unless a confrontation happens. But those who are betting on a Russian comeback are being pretty optimistic. They had a long lapse in procurement at the end of the Cold War, and they're still operating on a shoestring compared to USAF.

The fact that they're bragging about being able to see stealth aircraft as if that were some great breakthrough isn't a good sign. That's an old technology to USAF, and it isn't expected to do more than reduce the effective engagement range of a modern air defense system. If they were really up to speed they'd be bragging about different things - the ability to see through modern ECM, maybe, or a countermeasure for the F-22s ability to melt enemy radars at will.

Of course, it's probably a moot point. Most of the 'accidental' bombing these days is done with drones, and those things are practically the definition of an easy target.

Anonymous VFM #7916 October 06, 2016 8:09 PM  

Telling how the aid convoy blame stopped when the nighttime images of the hellfire missle explosions came out.

The gamer's internet mantra applies to everything:

Pics or STFU.

Blogger Mountain Man October 06, 2016 8:11 PM  

@25
Valid point about the debt.. the manufacturing issue can't be ignored though.

Anonymous New guy in town October 06, 2016 8:13 PM  

I really hope and pray Trump gets elected; the alternative is a war with Russia (and the polls are really worrying to me, the hildebeast is leading in several battleground states). I've posted on here before, I don't want to see my kids bleeding out in a pointless war that helps mooslims and ((((the soros' of the world)))). My goodness, can't we stop this insanity? I pray that God's will is done, and I pray that His will is a Trump presidency and us coming back from the edge of war...

Blogger Johnny October 06, 2016 8:17 PM  

War creates the impression of a transitory spending spike, one that won't be sustained. For that reason they will be able to borrow a lot for a while, long enough to do in Russia if that becomes the issue. After that maybe problems.

Blogger Alexandros October 06, 2016 8:20 PM  

@26 Thanks for the breakdown; it's hard to keep track of these things when there isn't a war looming.

Blogger Markku October 06, 2016 8:21 PM  

I'm with Russia on this one.

Anonymous DT October 06, 2016 8:26 PM  

@26 - The fact that they're bragging about being able to see stealth aircraft as if that were some great breakthrough isn't a good sign. That's an old technology to USAF, and it isn't expected to do more than reduce the effective engagement range of a modern air defense system.

Most people think in binary terms. They think that stealth is on/off. A missile will/will not work. They just can't fathom that everything is a probability.

If you fly a Raptor low and slow, with the bomb bay doors open, between a couple of networked S400 radars, you might very well get shot down.

But I doubt an S400 can detect a Raptor at 5 miles and 50,000 feet. And even if it can catch fleeting glimpses it's not going to be enough to guide a missile to the target. That would be a difficult task against a fighter with the energy and maneuverability of the Raptor and no stealth.

Regardless of how our front line fighter would fare against Russian air defenses, we are utterly stupid to be involved in a proxy war with Russia. Especially when we are on the side of a bunch of radical jihadists. We should be helping Putin and Syria kill them.

But stupid is as Obama does. Keep praying for a Trumpslide.

Of course, it's probably a moot point. Most of the 'accidental' bombing these days is done with drones, and those things are practically the definition of an easy target.

Good news is TPTB would have a very difficult time rallying America to war over a dead drone.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 06, 2016 8:26 PM  

The Russians are saber rattling.

Admittedly it works well with Obama, so sure go ahead do it.

Beyond that I'm not seeing anything happening.

If Putin engages US forces and loses, he looks weak everywhere. If Russian force win an engagement, he hands the election to Hillary.

It's lose/lose for him and he knows it.

Like I said, saber rattling.

Anonymous Cadwallander J October 06, 2016 8:28 PM  

Holy crap - the Finn is with Russia!

Satan is watching his thermostat plummet.

US foreign policy is like watching monkeys throw their own shit around. Completely random decision-making would be a significant improvement over what passes for strategery these days.

Blogger ace October 06, 2016 8:36 PM  

Johnny wrote:War creates the impression of a transitory spending spike[...]

I've come to view war, and in particular American wars of late, more in terms of the false 'one-ness' they foster in a divided populace. The elites may see it as a choice between the war being on their doorstep and waged against them, and one being fought elsewhere by rubes. They choose the foreign one every time. Everyone waves a flag. We're all Americans again.

Thing is--I don't think that works next time. The next person who presses an unnecessary war on the American populace is going to trigger, not avert, a civil war.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 06, 2016 8:36 PM  

Holy crap - the Finn is with Russia!

As is the Canadian ...

Anonymous DT October 06, 2016 8:36 PM  

@35 - US foreign policy is like watching monkeys throw their own shit around.

That's RAYCISS! But true.

Completely random decision-making would be a significant improvement over what passes for strategery these days.

Also true.

Blogger Johnny October 06, 2016 8:38 PM  

Other than terrorist hits, in all our recent wars we have been going after enemies who had no capacity to go after us in any place but the war zone. Hey, is Russia going to keep this in Syria? If we launch airplanes from ships, are the ships legitimate targets? How about foreign countries that permit us to use their air bases. Are those countries legitimate targets? Maybe the Sx00 whatever doesn't have to work all that good if we can not stop an incoming unmanned aircraft, an incoming missile.

Blogger dienw October 06, 2016 8:42 PM  

This is hilarious: if the USSR still existed, every single leftist out there would be protesting Obama's war.

Blogger AdognamedOp October 06, 2016 8:50 PM  

The leftist media make it seem that Syria is populated entirely by children. They're emboldened by the Marxist in chief and pushing for Armageddon.

Blogger Markku October 06, 2016 8:53 PM  

Don't get used to it. They'll probably soon go right back to being the Russia we all know and love.

Anonymous BGKB October 06, 2016 8:54 PM  

What would I do if I was Russia and a stealth plane just attacked but we couldn't get it, fire off a missile at a US non stealth plane and say the stealth plane must have crossed paths with the non shealthed one.

I would also like a source on the stealth technology claim. I want to believe that it can be countered so that they can prevent another Serbian

Maybe hey have installed sprinklers our stealth bombers can't handle water getting on them

Suddenly I'm rooting for Russia against my own government.

It would be safer for gays in Putin's Russia than in the PULSE bathroom

Anonymous jacopo October 06, 2016 8:56 PM  

Are Russian defense policy-makers are as captured by their defense industry as the Americans are? I'd like a good reason to not admire Russia in this situation.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 06, 2016 8:59 PM  

"The truth is no one knows, because Russia has carefully avoided any situation where their air defense systems would be pitted against modern US aircraft since the 1970s."

Two US aircraft where shot down in the 90's by Yugoslav SA-3's, an F-16 and an F-117. So, it will depend on if you consider them modern aircraft and was the Yugoslav equipment close enough to being Russian.

Blogger Lazarus October 06, 2016 9:00 PM  

So some folks called for the US to declare a no-fly zone in Syria, but the Russkies actually did it. That is because in Russia, someone is actually in charge.

Meanwhile, someone unfurled a Putin banner off the Manhattan bridge. The Saker mentioned that actual military action is only 5% or 15% of the war effort

It would be a serious tactical error to make an assertion like that without having the equipment or the will to back it up.

Remember Obama's red lines in Syria? No?

I think the Russians have taken measure of the chaos in the command and control in the US hierarchy and are proceeding accordingly.

Probably take out a drone or two first.

Blogger Unknown October 06, 2016 9:01 PM  

I heard stories about F-22 drivers thinking their LPI radar was hot shit, right up until my EA-6B Prowler squadron showed up at Nellis for them to exercise against.
They were suitably humbled.
This was circa 2005, right after the F-22 achieved initial operational status.

Blogger Nate October 06, 2016 9:07 PM  

There are things the USAF can do to take these systems down. But to do so, would require direct strikes... and massive infrastructure moves.

Anything that is in the air in the wrong place will go down hard unless it is part of a specific planned strike against those air defense systems.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 06, 2016 9:08 PM  

An unknown was demonstrated when Russia delivered cruise missiles.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 06, 2016 9:11 PM  

Re. radar detecting stealth aircraft

May be the Russians figure put the software to ted flag a pigeon flying over 200MPH?

But, stealth is lost bomb bays are opened, even if it is for a short time.

Blogger ZhukovG October 06, 2016 9:14 PM  

@44 jacopo: The Russian defense industry is more controlled by the government. The down side is that Russian equipment is generally somewhat lower tech than US equipment. The upside is that the Russian government doesn't pay $5000.00 for a toilet seat.

The bottom line where Syria is concerned, and I say this as a fan of Russia, is that they cannot hold it if we decide to take it.

The Russian military is designed to defend Russia and operate in her near abroad. Syria is really at the far end of Russia's ability to project effective power. If the US makes an all out effort to take Syria, then Syria will fall to us.

One question is that given the USA's global deployment of forces, how much do we have to spare for Syria? And if we go into Syria full bore, what will Russia's response?

As for Markku; Finns don't like Russians and they come by that dislike honestly. But the Finns are a very pragmatic people.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 06, 2016 9:14 PM  

Aren't there passive listening systems to pick signatures of aircraft flying sibsonic?

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 06, 2016 9:14 PM  

Roginald wrote:Can the globalists in the West start WW3 if the U.S. military rank and file refuse to fight another unnecessary war?

When has that ever happened? If they weren't fully cucked already, the demonic Banana regime in DC would have been overthrown long ago.

As for Russia, I expect they want to avoid any shooting and are playing brinksmanship to hold off the warmongering criminals who run the regime in DC in hopes Trump will win and reign them in. If the LQ wins, they might have no choice but to fight, which brings us back to your initial point. There are far too few red-pilled military who'd walk away. Even of they did, Soros would just fill the ranks with kebabs and dindus with a promise of instant citizenship and gibs for life.

Blogger LonestarWhacko October 06, 2016 9:15 PM  

Spanish Civil War, anyone? That was all about weapons testing as well.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 06, 2016 9:17 PM  

ZhukovZ: The concern for these uSA is not just Syria. What else will try to whack-a-mole if these uSA decides to wade again into the big muddy.

Blogger Lazarus October 06, 2016 9:20 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:As for Russia, I expect they want to avoid any shooting and are playing brinksmanship to hold off the warmongering criminals who run the regime in DC in hopes Trump will win and reign them in.

Americans have a tradition of holding off decisive military actions until after elections are conducted. Russkies know this.

Blogger ZhukovG October 06, 2016 9:25 PM  

@55 JaimeInTexas: Exactly, the US is a global empire. Our military is big, but spread out all over the planet. If we pull forces into the Syria cauldron; what does China or North Korea do?

If we call up NG and Reserves, how many will suddenly become very ill and unable to deploy. How many will have to stay in the USA to suppress any anti-mobilization riots?

Anonymous Joe Blowe October 06, 2016 9:27 PM  

The story is that Russian aircraft disabled the electronics of the Aegis-class guided missile destroyer USS Donald Cook in the Baltic Sea in April of this year. It's probably Conspiratard BS or Russian propaganda but it does make one wonder what those US Air Force pilots will be thinking when, for the first time in over 40 years, they have to take on an Enemy that might actually be able to fight back.

https://www.quora.com/What-happened-between-USS-Donald-Cook-and-the-Russians-in-Baltic-Sea-this-time

I wonder what those US pilots thought about killing dozens of Syrian Army soldiers in support of the ISIS attack on Deir ez-Zor and in the process breaking up the US-Russian brokered cease fire. I would love to have been a fly on the wall at the Officer's Club after that mission.

Blogger Lazarus October 06, 2016 9:29 PM  

LonestarWhacko wrote:Spanish Civil War, anyone? That was all about weapons testing as well.

That was just fortunate opportunity for Germany, not the reason for the whole war.

Israel's situation offers opportunities like that however, which is part of the reason for sending money to Israel to buy US equipment to field test.

I am not saying it is not a factor, just a lucky opportunity.

Blogger praetorian October 06, 2016 9:30 PM  

I feel like I'm watching a (((gobalist))) war unfold with my eyes open for the first time.

This is horrifying.

Blogger Lazarus October 06, 2016 9:31 PM  

Joe Blowe wrote:The story is that Russian aircraft disabled the electronics of the Aegis-class guided missile destroyer USS Donald Cook in the Baltic Sea in April of this year. It's probably Conspiratard BS or Russian propaganda

Not categorically denied, as I recall.

Blogger ZhukovG October 06, 2016 9:32 PM  

@58 Joe Blowe: I think it was BS. If the Russians had that kind of tech, they wouldn't frivolously reveal it.

The use of Kalibr cruise missiles was definitely a warning though. And its effectiveness a bit of a surprise.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 06, 2016 9:33 PM  

FFS Serbia was 20 years ago. Has Russia stood still since then? Because we largely have.

Blogger Cicatrizatic October 06, 2016 9:35 PM  

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Blogger Phillip George October 06, 2016 9:38 PM  

The Six Days Creationist perspective is "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust..."

"Let a man meet a she-bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool in his folly"

ie. it is better for East European satellites to do back door deals with Russians than it is for them to deal with the absolute fools in the West.

"......you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet....."

it is looking like the excreta striketh the impeller quite soon. It reminds me of the old joke, "why does the shark circle the swimmer three times? An: A shark prefers its meat without shit in it."

Blogger Troy Lee Messer October 06, 2016 9:39 PM  

The US military is way over extended. We put what, three divisions in Iraq and that took months of pre positioning.

If the Russians can knock a single stealth out of the sky, that would change the calculus a shitoad.

Blogger Cicatrizatic October 06, 2016 9:39 PM  

Part of the reason for the inevitable breakdown of the ceasefire agreement was the fact that the US was unable to disentangle the so called "moderate" rebels from ISIS and Al-Nusra (Al Qaeda subsidiary). As a pre-condition to the US and Russia cooperating on future bombing campaigns against ISIS, the US was supposed to have accomplished this. However, it is essentially an impossible task, as it has become clear over the past few years that the distinction between the "moderate" Syria rebels and ISIS is illusory. In an interview a few years ago, General Flynn asserted that as Director of the DIA, he received intelligence that the moderate rebel groups we intended to arm in Syria were connected to ISIS and Al-Nusra. Obama was provided this information, but made a conscious decision to proceed, with the knowledge that arming moderate rebels would likely have the byproduct of aiding ISIS in Syria.

While recent events (the “accidental” US coalition bombing of a Syrian army position; the attack on the humanitarian aid convoy) served as the catalyst for the breakdown in the ceasefire, it was inevitable. So long as the US continues its position of actively supporting and arming the moderate opposition, coordinated bombing campaigns will not be possible.

The neocons, including Hillary, are calling for the enforcement of a “no-fly zone” in Syria. Testifying before Congress, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff pointed out that that would require going to war with Russia and Syria, as the US has no independent authority to ground Syrian and Russian jets.

Meanwhile, over the past two months, the mainstream media is playing its assigned role of providing moral cover for war, by running daily pieces on the civilian carnage resulting from Russian and Syrian bombing campaigns. While it is true that Syrian bombing is causing civilian deaths, the media’s reporting lacks any background or context for understanding the conflict. Missing from the reporting is the fact that the rebels have ruthlessly ruled over most of Aleppo for the past three years, committing their own atrocities.

It has become painfully apparent that the American mainstream media lacks any true foreign correspondents. Their “reporting” on the Syrian conflict is done entirely from D.C., and largely consists of journalists parroting official US statements. If you read or watch outlets like CNN, you would have no absolutely no proper context or background with which to understand how the current situation came about.

If the current situation continues, and Clinton is elected, I suspect her administration will try and utilize the Syrian-caused civilian deaths as a pre-text for unilaterally instituting a no-fly zone in Syria. The breach of that would then provide them justification for sending in US forces. This is the cause being championed right now by the globalist establishments of both parties. See the recent and entirely predictable pro-war op-ed by John McCain in the WSJ.

If Trump is elected, I expect he would reverse Obama’s support for moderate rebels, and conditionally pledge cooperation with Russia and Syria on bombing ISIS, conditioned however on Syria’s agreement to coordinated UN humanitarian aid. If the US would give up its position of arming anti-Assad rebels, a deal could probably be reached.

Blogger Johnny October 06, 2016 9:40 PM  

praetorian wrote:I feel like I'm watching a (((gobalist))) war unfold with my eyes open for the first time.

This is horrifying.


Gotta be careful with those red pills, a few now and then are a good plan but to many can cause distress.

Alleged to be an old Oriental curse, "May you live in interesting times."

Blogger Lazarus October 06, 2016 9:42 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:@58 Joe Blowe: I think it was BS. If the Russians had that kind of tech, they wouldn't frivolously reveal i

At the time, the US was pushing the Ukrainian war and pressing into the Black Sea.

Why not let them know you could disable them at will? Better that than wait till the last minute. And have a real war.

In other words, not frivolous.

Blogger The Other Robot October 06, 2016 9:47 PM  

It will be interesting to see how well those S400s perform as well as the SU-34s and Su-35s.

I wonder which side will be more surprised.

Of course, we might never find out.

Blogger Lovekraft October 06, 2016 9:47 PM  

Just think about how much energy and resources have been wasted just trying to keep people like Soros, Hillary etc out of our lives.

Blogger Teri October 06, 2016 10:23 PM  

I saw Putin interviewed by Charlie Rose. He said Assad was the elected head of his country. He made a good case for keeping him in power.

Blogger Culture War Draftee October 06, 2016 10:41 PM  

I don't think a Trump victory will help us. The plan is start a war before the election to prevent a Trump victory.

Remember Bill Clinton is the guy who bombed Iraq in order to derail (fruitlessly) his impending impeachment. I have no doubt Hillary and Obama are trying to do the same. If we aren't in a war by 11/8, we can thank our lucky stars.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 06, 2016 10:44 PM  

In other news a Turkish F-16 was supposedly taken down by a MANPADS. Yesterday an Israeli F-16 went down after its bombing mission over Gaza, rumored that the Palies have MANPADS as well

Kiss a few civilian airliners good bye

Anonymous Down and Out in... October 06, 2016 10:44 PM  

"If the current situation continues, and Clinton is elected, I suspect her administration will try and utilize the Syrian-caused civilian deaths as a pre-text for unilaterally instituting a no-fly zone in Syria. The breach of that would then provide them justification for sending in US forces."

If Clinton wins, literally 49.5% of the country will be seething with rage, and they will be the part of the country that actually knows how to DO real stuff, like fight wars. And they will NOT march off to war at the command of that hateful criminal harridan, especially after she explicitly went on record about how she despises them.

Her own 50.5% of the winners is the coalition of weaklings, losers, incompetents, criminals and parasites. Most of them have zero loyalty to the United States, and also will not face certain death fighting a war against a real opponent, rather than a vacation in the desert against a bunch of sand-morons in exchange for gibs.

If Hitlery wins and tries that sh!t, she will literally prove true Carl Sandburg's old prophecy: "Some day they'll give a war and no one will come."

Hitlery Rodan Clinton -- the face that launched a thousand shits.

Anonymous Down and Out in... October 06, 2016 10:47 PM  

"a Turkish F-16 was supposedly taken down by a MANPADS"

I really can't believe someone came up with an acronym for a weapon that says "man-pads."

Wait, yes I can. Our leadership is already wearing man-pads, and is forcing our troops to do the same.

Blogger Lazarus October 06, 2016 10:56 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:In other news a Turkish F-16 was supposedly taken down by a MANPADS. Yesterday an Israeli F-16 went down after its bombing mission over Gaza, rumored that the Palies have MANPADS as well

Kiss a few civilian airliners good bye


Supplied by the good old USA , defender of freedom.

USA! USA! USA!......

Anonymous BGKB October 06, 2016 11:09 PM  

FFS Serbia was 20 years ago. Has Russia stood still since then? Because we largely have.

We have not stood still, we have had men marching in high heels & rangerettes lowering the bar.

Her own 50.5% of the winners is the coalition of weaklings, losers, incompetents, criminals and parasites. Most of them have zero loyalty to the United States,

I think it was Kratman who said "Richard the Lionheart might be willing to march to war and face capture, torture and death for the greater glory of Christ; but is any pajama-wearing cocoa-sipping partisan of gay marriage, gun control, socialized medicine or free trade in aborted baby organs willing to march into the hell of war for his self-centered and sick beliefs?"

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 06, 2016 11:14 PM  

It doesn't really matter if they can actually hit an F-22 or not. It's a declaration of war to try, and the particular spark will only matter to revisionist historians.

I have no doubt our esteemed leaders would nuke half the world just to extend their death grip on the global financial system for a single day. But I expect there aren't enough of them willing to accept the reduced quality of life entailed by a retreat to their luxury bunkers.

Therefore, I expect they'll pull a Yeltsin on the remaining American natural resources and move to wherever the next reserve currency is managed.

Blogger dfordoom October 06, 2016 11:17 PM  

@15. Fenris Wulf

Suddenly I'm rooting for Russia against my own government.

Somebody shoot me. I've turned into a Leftist.


Your own government is globalist. The Russians are nationalist. Leftism simply doesn't come into the equation.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 06, 2016 11:20 PM  

After which, the Yankees and the Southren will all shake hands and agree the important thing is to get along.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 06, 2016 11:24 PM  

Markku wrote:I'm with Russia on this one.

Who let the Finn into the taproom?

Blogger Johnny October 06, 2016 11:28 PM  

dfordoom wrote:@15. Fenris Wulf

Suddenly I'm rooting for Russia against my own government.

Somebody shoot me. I've turned into a Leftist.


Your own government is globalist. The Russians are nationalist. Leftism simply doesn't come into the equation.


Globalism and leftism currently are the same thing, it is their popular cause.

Blogger The Other Robot October 06, 2016 11:30 PM  

@81: But only after a few carpetbaggers are suspended from light poles.

Anonymous Kali i ka da October 06, 2016 11:36 PM  

In this instance the Finn, as well as the Canadian, as well as a Christian from the South supports Russia. I believe that a large and unknown percentage of American Christians have reached the conclusion that Putin and Russia are the true defenders of Christendom, not Europe, the U.K., and certainly not the U.S. From Putin jailing Pussy Riot, Jewish oligarchs, gay pride propagandists, proudly wearing the cross given to him by his mother, and encouraging the Christian faith in Russia while bemoaning the loss of Christian faith in the West, the most unlearned of Christians knows who is serving Jesus and who is Satan's whore.

I have felt that God has given up on the U.S. ever since our choice was between McCain and Obama. A Hillary win would confirm my suspicions and increase my belief that during her state of the union speech Washington D.C., and twenty other civilian and military targets would be vaporized. With political, military, financial, and media centers destroyed, I do not believe there would be any survivors left who had the authority or will to mount a retaliatory attack, and who would they attack, Russia? China? Like myself they might even believe that the WASP culture was better off, after radiation burns healed.

Why were the Bolsheviks so heavily populated by Jews? Why did they delight so in the deaths of Russian and Ukrainian Christians? What was their goal of bringing into Russia aliens who spoke different languages and practiced non-Christian religions, or worshipped the state? Now, look at our nation. Aliens who speak a different language, and practice a different religion have been invited into our country by our (((governing elites))), by our (((media elites))), by our 50% secular Jewish Supreme Court. Pity the poor Christian man who blindly accepts rule by 2% of his country's people and will not say ENOUGH! The (((Federal Reserve))) enslaves him in debt not his own, the (((media elite))) mocks his cherished beliefs, and the poor man seeks justice from the (((ruling elite))). The Christian's child is now told with whom they must piss. Funny how Solzhenitsyn asked for an answer from Jews to this same question in 'Two Hundred Years Together", a work yet to be published in English by Europe or America's (((media elite))). The American Christian must answer Solzhenitsyn's question. An answer both the Jew and Muslim have heard before. An answer they detest, but the answer they continually bring upon themselves. The Muslim is not your friend, and neither is the Jew.

Anonymous From Si to Shining Si October 06, 2016 11:36 PM  

"Globalism and leftism currently are the same thing, it is their popular cause"

I think you meant to say, Globalism and leftism are (((the same thing))).

Blogger dfordoom October 06, 2016 11:37 PM  

@75. Down and Out in...

If Clinton wins, literally 49.5% of the country will be seething with rage, and they will be the part of the country that actually knows how to DO real stuff, like fight wars. And they will NOT march off to war at the command of that hateful criminal harridan,

But the U.S. military will happily march off to war at Clinton's command, just as they've marched off to fight one futile immoral unnecessary war after another. There's nothing the U.S. military won't do as long as they're getting paid to do it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 06, 2016 11:38 PM  

The Other Robot wrote:@81: But only after a few carpetbaggers are suspended from light poles.

I was being sarcastic. Hopefully my worldview is more cynical than the situation warrants, that's the direction my bias usually runs.

Blogger dfordoom October 06, 2016 11:41 PM  

@83. Johnny

Globalism and leftism currently are the same thing, it is their popular cause.

Globalism and capitalism currently are the same thing, it is their popular cause. FIFY.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 06, 2016 11:41 PM  

My guess is that Saudi Arabia will be the arms locker for jihad 2.0 after the Russians and Iranians throw the sunni radicals back across it s borders

Blogger bob k. mando ( Ich bin ein Fuhrer auf die Alt-Retard ... and you can too ) October 06, 2016 11:45 PM  

33. DT October 06, 2016 8:26 PM
But stupid is as Obama does.



i keep saying this, everybody keeps ignoring it:
what if Obama's goal is to expend our military resources in useless and mostly futile adventures?

most of which both aid Islam *and* give Russia an excuse to project power?

then Obama doesn't look stupid at all, does he?

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 07, 2016 12:04 AM  

Lazarus wrote:So some folks called for the US to declare a no-fly zone in Syria, but the Russkies actually did it. That is because in Russia, someone is actually in charge.

Meanwhile, someone unfurled a Putin banner off the Manhattan bridge. The Saker mentioned that actual military action is only 5% or 15% of the war effort

It would be a serious tactical error to make an assertion like that without having the equipment or the will to back it up.

Remember Obama's red lines in Syria? No?

I think the Russians have taken measure of the chaos in the command and control in the US hierarchy and are proceeding accordingly.

Probably take out a drone or two first.



Now that's interesting. The other day I was driving through Michigan and there was a group of guys flying Confederate flags on an overpass. I think the Russians are kicking our asses at HUMINT again.

Blogger Stephen Davenport October 07, 2016 12:32 AM  

Vox the Russians bombed the fucking convoy, stop slobbering up to them.

Anonymous Robert Full Moon October 07, 2016 12:43 AM  

If Hillary is elected, and during her state of the union speech, Russia deposited nuclear weapons on DC and NY, it would be unconstitutional to attack Russia until a new Congress declared that war.

Blogger JWM October 07, 2016 12:48 AM  

@15 @90
I have to agree with Fenris Wulf, and Bob K Mando here. Why the hell are we fighting in Syria? To aid the "rebels" in deposing Assad? And what would follow? Peace, love, and democracy? Just like if we only got rid of Sadam, then Iraq would have a chance at peace, love, and democracy. That didn't work out so well. And Obozo got rid of Ghadaffi in Libya, and that turned out swell also. In the moslem world it's a choice between a brutal dictator, or chaos and jihad. The Russians are right. Leave Assad alone. The Syrians deserve him. Any power vacuum there will be filled with the jihad. Everything we've done there in the last 8 years has caused death, misery and chaos. Not to mention fritter away our military, and ruin whatever credibility the US of A ever had. Obama is on a mission to take down America. The left has never made a secret of this. islamic eschatology calls for a period of total war and total chaos that will ultimately bring about the triumph of islam. Everything obama has done in the M.E. has sown destruction, death, and war. And he has imported the jihad right here within our borders. If total war breaks out the sleepers in our midst will awaken and we'll have hell to pay. I never thought in my lifetime I'd actually be rooting for the Russians. Interesting times, to be sure. Good Lord I could use some boredom.

JWM

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 07, 2016 12:53 AM  

ace wrote:While I definitely don't think the US should tangle with Russia, their own claims about their military capabilities are not an indication of anything.

Would that also be true of our claims about our military capabilities, or does American exceptionalism mean we never exaggerate or fool ourselves?

Anonymous Honest Rob October 07, 2016 1:05 AM  

The 19th Amendment only gave women the right to vote, or more precisely, I can't be kept from voting because of sex; therefore, since Article II refers to the President with the masculine pronouns of "he" and "his", I would think it unconstitutional for Hillary to hold the office of President of the United States.

Anonymous Sharrukin October 07, 2016 1:06 AM  

92. Stephen Davenport

"Vox the Russians bombed the fucking convoy, stop slobbering up to them."

First...so what if they did?

Does that somehow magically tranform the notion of putting Al-Qaeda into power in Syria into a good idea?

Second the US claims it 'accidentally' carried out an airstrike against Syrian forces. Oops I guess...or maybe they are lying about it being an accident?.

But of course they couldn't have been the ones who hit the convoy...well because they wouldn't make that sort of mistake and they wouldn't lie about something like that would they?

Blogger ace October 07, 2016 1:14 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:ace wrote:While I definitely don't think the US should tangle with Russia, their own claims about their military capabilities are not an indication of anything.

Would that also be true of our claims about our military capabilities, or does American exceptionalism mean we never exaggerate or fool ourselves?


That's not really the right question. If the Russians could shoot down an F-22, why would they tell us outright? Neither would they issue a negative confirmation that they couldn't.

So the data is meaningless. Zippo.

Blogger Kona Commuter October 07, 2016 1:15 AM  

World War Three will be 'extremely lethal': US Army bosses prediction for terrifying war with Russia or China -> http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/world-war-three-will-be-extremely-lethal-us-army-bosses-prediction-for-terrifying-war-with-russia-or-china/ar-BBx65Y4?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartanntp

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 07, 2016 1:17 AM  

"American exceptionalism mean we never exaggerate or fool ourselves?"

Come on. Everyone knows the US has absolutely the most expensive military that money can buy.

Blogger residentMoron October 07, 2016 1:21 AM  

ace

Reliance on your technology is like reliance on your battle plan. The enemy has one, too.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 07, 2016 1:22 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:After which, the Yankees and the Southren will all shake hands and agree the important thing is to get along.
The best you can hope for there is "The Yankees will agree to leave the Southrons alone."

Stephen Davenport wrote:Vox the Russians bombed the fucking convoy, stop slobbering up to them.
Nobody besides you actually believes that.

Anonymous From Si to Shining Si October 07, 2016 1:42 AM  

"World War Three will be 'extremely lethal': US Army bosses prediction for terrifying war with Russia or China"


I'm not an expert in these matters, so I defer to guys like van Creveld if they disagree, but simple chess logic makes it seem to me that the first phase of the war would be largerly technological, with each side destroying each other's satellite, GPS, guidance systems, computer systems etc. Probably hacking the controls to dams to cause flooding and chaos, shutting down economies and supply distribution systems, possibly even EMPs. IMO both Russia and China probably hold superiority in those areas, both in their homelands and right here; there is no doubt that China has massively infested US with moles at every level, and even Asians who are not moles could probably be persuaded to join in.

My guess is that although such a war would be massively lethal (maybe even more so than a shooting war), I think the war would be largely over before the shooting even really began. And if the strikes are pre-emptive (viz. they proceed before formal hostilities, a techno-Pearl Harbor), then game over, victory China.

Anonymous SciVo October 07, 2016 2:12 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Now that's interesting. The other day I was driving through Michigan and there was a group of guys flying Confederate flags on an overpass. I think the Russians are kicking our asses at HUMINT again.

Everywhere in America, working-class whites use the Confederate battle flag as an expression of solidarity with opposition to FedGov, and I support them. Given that the American Empire has basically lost the consent of the governed with its "democracy" of false choices, Russia would have to use approximately zero (or less) resources to HUMINT a display of the Stars & Bars.

Anonymous SciVo October 07, 2016 2:35 AM  

BGKB wrote:I think it was Kratman who said "Richard the Lionheart might be willing to march to war and face capture, torture and death for the greater glory of Christ; but is any pajama-wearing cocoa-sipping partisan of gay marriage, gun control, socialized medicine or free trade in aborted baby organs willing to march into the hell of war for his self-centered and sick beliefs?"

No, they can't even face "face capture" let alone facing capture.

Thanks for the softball lob.

Blogger Alexandros October 07, 2016 2:45 AM  

@103 but simple chess logic makes it seem to me that the first phase of the war would be largerly technological, with each side destroying each other's satellite, GPS, guidance systems, computer systems etc.

Russia supposedly doesn't rely on GPS and satellites like the American military does. They don't even teach infantry how to read a map or use a compass anymore.

Anonymous DT October 07, 2016 2:55 AM  

@95 - Would that also be true of our claims about our military capabilities, or does American exceptionalism mean we never exaggerate or fool ourselves?

When it comes to specific, measurable aspects of our air power history shows that we've been conservative in our estimates. Since Gulf War I we have performed better than expected in actual combat.

Where we fool ourselves is in believing that our air power can win a war, stabilize a region, or bring peace, love, and democracy to a bunch of Muslims.

@98 - That's not really the right question. If the Russians could shoot down an F-22, why would they tell us outright? Neither would they issue a negative confirmation that they couldn't.

While I appreciate the point you're trying to make, I would go a step further: the Russians have no idea if they can shoot down an F-22 or not. They lack comparable technology and therefore have no ability to accurately simulate it in a war game. (The T-50 program was not reduced to 12 planes because it worked out.)

And again, this is a binary view of things. I'm confident there are scenarios where the Russians could shoot down an F-22. I'm equally confident that in the vast majority of scenarios they would be hammered by F-22s, even if they managed to nail one.

And I would bet that our Raptor pilots know better than the Russians themselves the ranges at which an S400 might be a threat, and the ranges at which they can fly and bomb with impunity.

But I hope we never find out for sure. Because finding out for sure means we're at war. And war with Russia over some jihadists is the most insane thing to ever come out of Washington.

I stand by my assessment that we have some really incredible pieces of military technology. So did the Germans before they lost WWII.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 07, 2016 3:03 AM  

DT wrote:I stand by my assessment that we have some really incredible pieces of military technology. So did the Germans before they lost WWII.

Exactly.
The Zero was a better aircraft than anything in the US arsenal until the P-38 came along.
Didn't matter.

Anonymous Kali i ka da October 07, 2016 3:17 AM  

I thank God that Russia is governed by a man who always proudly wears the cross that his mother gave him, that loves and protects the people who elected him by 85%, a man standing up to both crony capitalism and socialism, a President who promotes Christian tradition in Russia while lamenting the West's abandonment of its Christian roots. Putin is wise, calm and calming, deliberate, sober, passionate, and fearless. Putin seeks the truth, what works and what doesn't, and once found will not abandon that truth. In short if Putin wins, American Christians win and the NWO loses. Hopefully, one day Americans will know that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whom He wishes and that righteousness exalts a nation.

Blogger residentMoron October 07, 2016 3:18 AM  

bob k. mando ( Ich bin ein Fuhrer auf die Alt-Retard ... and you can too ) wrote:

i keep saying this, everybody keeps ignoring it:

what if Obama's goal is to expend our military resources in useless and mostly futile adventures?

most of which both aid Islam *and* give Russia an excuse to project power?

then Obama doesn't look stupid at all, does he?


1. There is definitely a plan to degrade America, in every way possible, so yes that includes her military hegemony.

2. The people behind this plan are not stupid in the normal sense, i.e. they don't lack IQ points.

3. Sin makes you stupid, i.e. it makes you do stupid things even when you're a genius. cf David, Nebuchadnezzar, Adam, Eve, etc, etc, etc ...

Anonymous Robert Full Moon October 07, 2016 3:27 AM  

People the F22 is a great fighter. Hard to see, delivers a punch, and evades punches. That is why most of the 183 planes will be destroyed in their hangars, including at last count at least two at Tyndale in the Florida panhandle.

Blogger Elder Son October 07, 2016 3:33 AM  

Gawd. If it hits furnace point in Syria, you will see the Middle East go in flames. It's not just Russia versus the USA. It is also the Arab Coalition of the Sunni Willing. Anyone who believes that Syria is just a USA thing is delusional and seriously out of the loop. It has been suggested, by the Saudi partners to the Pentagon, that the Sunni Coalition of the Willing move into Syria, and it is being seriously considered. In which case, you will see the West Coast of the Persian Gulf, via Iran, go in flames, including the very real possibility of the straight being bottled-up. Which, the Houthis will take advantage of through the Saudi Southern border for a little revenge.

Anyhow, past that, USNATO may try to take advantage of the Russian Eastern Front. After all, if anyone has been paying attention, the USA has been rapidly stockpiling heavy and light armor, artillery pieces, anti-missile batteries, opening new airbases, and etc. Some of you think you know Russia and the Russians. You do not want to touch their Motherland. And by the way, with the combined USNATO Tanks, a lot of them junk, Russia has NATO beat hands down. Then there is their Radar/Jamming capabilities and anti-aircraft/ship/missile technology. Not to mention their new generation of fighters/bombers all with their jamming capabilities.

Let's just go this way. If, IF the US took on Russia, YOU are going to wish it never happened.

Okay, you can whip out your d*cks now.

Blogger Elder Son October 07, 2016 3:40 AM  

By the way, this is the truth in the matter: https://mojavedesertpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/us-syria-john-kerry-state-department-a.jpg

And it is pretty disgusting. What you are witnessing, is the NWO globalists on the move, since Dial Emergency 9-1-1 Catalyst that got some of you whipping out your dusty Made in China Flags.

You are seeing the "attempted creation of a Sunni Muslim Middle East/Persia Union.

Blogger Elder Son October 07, 2016 3:52 AM  

Overheard: US-NATO thinks it has Russia in the ditch. In Russia, every ditch is a fighting hole.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 5:18 AM  

Vox the Russians bombed the fucking convoy, stop slobbering up to them.

No, they didn't. If they had, they would have just said that it was carrying weapons.

Anonymous Rezny October 07, 2016 5:47 AM  

Man, you burgers are strange.
Putin is a Sovok, a KGB officer. Kay-Gee-Bee, literally "Avantgarde of the Party", the one that wanted to liberate the world by drowning it in blood for its caste of mestizo rulers to own you eternally.
Russian nationalism is practically prohibited, only "the multinational Rossiyane" allowed to express anything. Mirror image would be "all for Americaners, down with American White nationalist threat", which you seem to have been experiencing for the last decade or so.

Russia fighting USA would be Satan punching himself in the face, and that's the most optimistic metaphore there is. More likely he will gleefully stomp both sides, while making life in both hemispheres even more awful.

Don't you dare imagine Russian state as savior of anyone, you're mirroring Bolsheviks' useful idiots who likewise rooted for Tsarist "tyranny" to be broken by Kaisers - remember the slave labour camps and widespread famines of a former world agricultural exporter that it brought them.
Russian state is made by Soviets for Soviet people, USSR ultra-pink edition. It just works better when sheeple don't have to suffer 4-hour queues to buy a jar of mayonnaise ffs, but the ruling principle remains the same, as are goals and a caste of oligarchic rulers.
Among ~140 millions Sovoks there are barely 14 million Russians left at best, others are not a iota better than your Hillary's powerbase.

Blogger clk October 07, 2016 5:49 AM  

There are two interpretations of this event

1. Russians know that right now the US will do nothing due to election so its safe to make such silly claims. A smart if somewhat cowardly move.

2. Russia is really doing this to drive the US election to Trump because the other side is planning no fly and safety zones in Jan...

Techncially, we can beat the s300 and s400 with a swarm technique techique using multiple simulateous attacks using spending low value attackers.. spending resources the russian dont have and cant replace .., i am always amazed to hear when people associate the same stupidity of our politicians to our military experts.. they been running solutions to S400 defenses for years.

All you have to do in syria is deny both side the airspace and killing decreases a magnitude... the us stealth might/might not be detectable by russian radars but russian aircraft show up like hot beacons...

Now should the US be in syria ?... no way.. its stupid to get in ww3 for this... as a dictactor Assad is 3rd rate and i think really fighting for the life of his sect ... the alawites who would be slaughtered if the rebel majority were to win ... what did we learn in iraq ? When the oppressed becomes in charge, there is retribution...

Putin has done the US a big favour but violated one basics of strategy.. when your enemy is doing something stupid, let them do it.. the US was wasting its resources in middle east trying to bring neoconservative democracy and was close to increasing involvement...and ruusia is stopping that....and to make matters worse now Russia is following the same playbook... its almost as if the people who run our industrial military complex now run the russian industrial military complex too.... hmmm...

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid of the Bomb October 07, 2016 6:05 AM  

Considering the polls, I, for one, look forward to our upcoming nuclear war, as it will save me from living through 8 years of President Rodham-Abedin. "Always look on the bright side of life... Doo dee doo, dee doo dee doodly doo..."

Blogger Balázs Varga October 07, 2016 6:11 AM  

I doubt Russia can defeat the US Empire without going full nuclear. Defend itself, that's another thing entirely.

Great tyrannical empires are not defeated from without. They are defeated within, and unless Putin has a teleporter rigged to transport the middle east to the US, than Hillary will do more long term damage to the US than Putin could ever want to.

The russians may very well beat back the imperialist US advance, but they won't be able to land a killing blow, unless China allies with them.

If that happens... yeah. Everything is made in China. Pray for the Trump to save you from this madness.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 07, 2016 6:17 AM  

@77

As far as I can recall, I didn’t say it; though I’ve said things like it.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 7:14 AM  

Russia fighting USA would be Satan punching himself in the face, and that's the most optimistic metaphore there is. More likely he will gleefully stomp both sides, while making life in both hemispheres even more awful.

We know there are no good guys here. But it is regional Satan vs global Satan. Global Satan is worse.

Anonymous TS October 07, 2016 7:47 AM  

"Suddenly I'm rooting for Russia against my own government.

Somebody shoot me. I've turned into a Leftist."

No you're not. If you were a leftard you would be rooting for the US empire.

Blogger clk October 07, 2016 8:10 AM  

"Regional Satan vs global Satan" .. its hard to argue that ..

When younger I would have foolishly said its a matter of intentions.. the US intends well but some how screws its up whilst the Russians intentions are bad but are just inept in carry them out .. but nobody can unintentional make such bad decisions consistently or have such poor outcomes without intentionally trying...and nobody is this stupid ... so it points to some other stratagem being at play here... maybe its Satan, maybe its the New World Order .. maybe we some sort of galactic reality show (credit goes to south park for that) .. I don't know what, or why ... but it sure as hell is not as it being made to seem...

Blogger bob k. mando ( Ich bin ein Fuhrer auf die Alt-Retard ... and you can too ) October 07, 2016 8:18 AM  

107. Snidely Whiplash October 07, 2016 3:03 AM
The Zero was a better aircraft than anything in the US arsenal until the P-38 came along.



i understand that i'm sperging here, but the P-38 was in production BEFORE Pearl Harbor. and, regardless of production date, never had the roll rate to make a good fighter.

also the Zero, while quite maneuverable and with an excellent climb rate had some significant holes in it's performance envelope.

the Flying Tigers used P-40s to great effect ( 229 air kills vs 14 lost ) simply by refusing to engage unless within their envelope superiority.

Anonymous BGKB October 07, 2016 8:57 AM  

during her state of the union speech, Russia deposited nuclear weapons on DC and NY, it would be unconstitutional to attack Russia

Declare war, if they took out that much of the establishment the remaining US would have a parade in Putin's honor.

"Vox the Russians bombed the fucking convoy, stop slobbering up to them."

(((Oy Vey))) not only that but the video proves they stole a US hellfire missile to do it.

first phase of the war would be largerly technological, with each side destroying each other's satellite, GPS, guidance systems, computer

The US needs Russia to take it to the space station because affirmative action, how do you think they US could damage the right satellites?

Anonymous dr kill October 07, 2016 9:04 AM  

As I read the up-post comments. it occurs to me that if Putin and Xi really want to hasten the collapse of the USSA, they would be helping Hillary. Is there any evidence of that?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey October 07, 2016 9:09 AM  

"Before meeting Jim Forrestal I thought we were losing to international Communism because of incompetence and stupidity on the part of our planners. I mentioned that to Forrestal. I shall forever remember his answer. He said, 'McCarthy, consistency has never been a mark of stupidity. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor.'
-Joe McCarthy

Anonymous johnc October 07, 2016 9:19 AM  

@125 As I read the up-post comments. it occurs to me that if Putin and Xi really want to hasten the collapse of the USSA, they would be helping Hillary. Is there any evidence of that?

The more the rhetoric and tensions flare up, the more it helps Hillary. While Trump has the correct position re: Russia, his will look weak and diplomatic. In a conflict, most people will naturally rally around their own nation, and this helps the status quo leaders (Obama and by extension Hillary).

Hillary loves to talk tough about Russia, so the more Russia is perceived as an adversary, the better for her. I think Putin is smart enough to know this.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey October 07, 2016 9:52 AM  

"Before meeting Jim Forrestal I thought we were losing to international Communism because of incompetence and stupidity on the part of our planners. I mentioned that to Forrestal. I shall forever remember his answer. He said, 'McCarthy, consistency has never been a mark of stupidity. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor.'
-Joe McCarthy

Blogger Ingot9455 October 07, 2016 10:23 AM  

I did notice the way the moderator's question in the VP debate really larded on the emotion:

"With hundreds of thousand of innocent women and children being burned alive and tortured in Aleppo by the deadly bombs of Russian and Syrian planes, do you think the United States has a responsibility to protect those helpless tortured innocents?"

It seemed pretty dumb considering that whom most Americans consider us to be at war with is ISIS.

Anonymous Kali i ka da October 07, 2016 10:34 AM  

VD, why would you refer to Putin as regional Satan? Do you think Solzhenitsyn would have met with Putin if Solzhenitsyn had for a moment thought Putin to be a 'regional Satan'?

Solzhenitsyn had up close dealings with Satan and his henchmen. Solzhenitsyn was left with only one question. Why were so many Bolsheviks Jews, and why did they delight so in the deaths of tens of millions of Ukrainian and Russian Christians?

View Putin on YouTube at Valaam Island, celebrating Christmas, celebrating New Year, celebrating 1025 of Russian Christianity. You might come to a different conclusion.

Jews

Anonymous Rezny October 07, 2016 11:03 AM  

@130
Solzhenitsyn was a human, not an omniscient oracle. He had his own problems, he made mistakes.
Not to mention he was a broken man, who willed himself from fractured Soviet person into a Russian.
But human is finite, and has so much willpower and knowledge left to use in his life.

Putin is KGB officer. Nobody leaves KGB other than legs first into crematorium. The fact that USSR purged itself of Jews and went rogue doesn't make Jewish-born organizations and cultural virii any less deadly.

Think some Berserker drones, created to subvert destroy and assimilate, roaming the space. Their masters may be long absent or dead, maybe even killed by their own creations. It doesn't make their creations any less dangerous.
Putin is not Russian. Never was. He's a Sovok, and a paragon one - no common Soviets higher than KGB officer. It's easier to think of him as an alien masking to be Russian, nationalist, Orthodox Christian - anyone to reach his goals. But it's all a facade.

Being Russian in modern RF is being Latin in a Frankish or Visigothic shithole - barbarian monkeys and yesterdays slaves pretending to be cultured humans and poorly appropriating your stuff, everywhere.

Blogger B.J. October 07, 2016 11:07 AM  

Holy crap. Do they still have that doomsday clock around somewhere? This is how WW3 starts.

Anonymous Rezny October 07, 2016 11:16 AM  

@132
There will be no WW3. Here's a hint:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1859)
Now glue some wings to your pigs and send 'em flying. You even seem to have a (racial and class) Civil War festering inside, just like back then.

Anonymous TS October 07, 2016 11:52 AM  

"Do you think Solzhenitsyn would have met with Putin if Solzhenitsyn had for a moment thought Putin to be a 'regional Satan'?"

Putin did meet Solzhenitsyn. And honored him. http://www.russiajournal.com/node/3890

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare October 07, 2016 12:12 PM  

It sounds kinda like Col. Kratman, but I think that particular quote may have been from Mr. Wright. I vaguely seem to recall reading it on his blog or on Everyjoe... Either way, a fantastic quote!

Anonymous ZhukovG October 07, 2016 1:05 PM  

@Rezny: Savok is normally a term used to describe those who are having trouble letting go of the old Soviet way of doing things. These are a minority and steadily dying out.

I suspect it is also used by US aligned 5th columnists to describe those who resist Russia's integration into the American Empire.

I also suppose that it may be used towards Russians that one does not feel are sufficiently nationalistic.

I am curious as to what context you are using it in?

Blogger Matamoros October 07, 2016 1:08 PM  

Putin may be the greatest thing since slinced bread. I like him for many reason, however it always helps to keep one's eyes and ears open.

Jewish roots of Russian president Vladimir Putin by Dreadnought
http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/comments/comment3321.html

Unholy Alliance: The Agenda Iran, Russia, and Jihadists Share for Conquering the World
https://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Agenda-Jihadists-Conquering-ebook/dp/B01BT5YCD0

Anonymous Kali i ka da October 07, 2016 1:26 PM  

@131: Sovietism broke. Communism broke. Solzhenitsyn never broke, never lost faith in the Russian soul, and never lost faith in his Lord. This is who Putin paid his respect to. That day in Solzhenitsyn's kitchen both men gave honor and respect to whom honor and respect was due. The past gave way to the future. That future was Christian Russia.

You are obsessed with the KGB's past. Putin was in the KGB because his father was. Putin has shown he has many talents, his foremost being leading Russia out of the great darkness of Communism and into the eternal lightness of rediscovering Russia's Christian past and future. You and VD have failed to answer Lincoln's question and Jesus's question. Can a house divided stand? Does a regional Satan encourage the return to Russia's traditional Christian faith? Does a regional Satan take multiple times to promote that Christian faith and lament Europe's current lack thereof?

Anonymous Rezny October 07, 2016 1:48 PM  

@136
USSR tried to create the new universal Homo Sovieticus, that Marxist ideal superman. Or at least a superior slave.
What they've actually made is a Sovok. A failure, but a peculiar and resilient one. "Will do for now".
They don't die out, no more than niggerdom died out after the emancipation.

Creatures that could be pitied for the psychic wounds inflicted on them from birth, if they weren't that mischievous at best and rabidly slaving for their masters as disposable and reusable human trash at worst. The masters themselves are Sovoks too, because no master remains unchanged by owning a slave, it's always a two-way street.
Sovoks are Progressives taken through 3-4 generations of progressive lunacy through the deepest terror imaginable changed by crushing poverty, endless depression and soul-sucking grayness of late USSR.
Now here are tens of millions, maybe 100 million Sovoks. Everyone born and raised in USSR, therefore is a Sovok - a sane Russian would be either killed, exiled or driven insane.
A Sovok has to work much and will himself into becoming a proper Russian. Hell I was a good young Sovok, I actually studied and quoted loads of bullshit produced by Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky, would have been a paragon Leftist if not for growing some brain.

There are two problems.
1. They reproduce. Red USSR turned to pink RF, but the core schizophrenic values of slave-caste Sovoks are inflicted on their "free" progeny.
A watered-down version, but still as far from Russian as a Mexican is distant from Texan. Look somewhat alike and seem to eat the same food, but that's it.
The Communism scars won't just die out, they mutate and still live. Just no bullshit left, only petty tyranny over great people made petty.
2. The master-caste Sovoks combine your elite's worst qualities with at least 4 generations' experience of successfully enslaving and using a European people. You barely start to become enslaved, we were (and mostly are) still enslaved by the same people who sacrificed our empire and tsars to Satanic idols.
Their prophet still lies in a ziggurat in the centre of Russia and people come in thousands every day, and bloody red stars are still on the Kremlin towers, if that's telling anything.

For example, modern "Russian" culture is 98% pure garbage just as yours is. Russian literature of XIX century had a worldwide impact for a good reason, "Russian" literature of century XXI is almost entirely a waste of trees. Sovok is incapable of Russian culture, at best he somewhat apes the lowest dregs of Russian cultural output.
There is hope, but the hope lacks resources and numbers yet, hence we don't yet see the White Tsar coming to reclaim Constantinople and slay the Dragon that bleeds Holy Russia. Maybe later, maybe never.
Never from Putin and his cronies, that's for sure. Everything Putin got was inherited from his grandfather being Lenin and Stalin's personal cook, try niggering Spiridon Putin.


The master-caste Sovoks make some pseudonationalistic gestures, and you fawn all over them ffs, get a hold of yourselves. True Russian nationalism is dangerous overhere just as it is over the ocean at your turf.

Anonymous Rezny October 07, 2016 1:54 PM  

@138
"Sovietism broke. Communism broke."
THAT'S WHAT IT WANTS YOU TO THINK. AND YOU DO.
Watch some Bezmenov, man.
The snake is alive and still wants to eat you. It just traded bloody sharp fangs of terror back for insidiousness.
Just the fact that "Russian" snake was met with hostility by your "American" snake doesn't make it in any way safer or better. It sure is way smarter and wily than your dumb big American one, too young and inexperienced to slither softly to its prey.

Putin is a Sovok. The sooner you start seeing him for an alien from a caste slaver society, the better. He fools you by barely pretending to act.

Blogger Mighty Lou October 07, 2016 2:34 PM  

The globalists want war. That's why the media is pushing Hillary. The media has always been a crucial arm of the military during war. Hillary wants to be a war time president and the media is already primed to begin dispensing the misinformation nessacary to prepare the population for war.

Anonymous Kali i ka da October 07, 2016 5:31 PM  

Rezny: "By their fruits you shall know them" (Matthew 7:20) Until Putin starts bad mouthing Christianity or starts to imprison Christians, your fears and words ring hollow.

As of the present Putin's theology both in words and deeds have proven to be more in line with New Testament Christianity than any other Western leader up to and including the pope.

Chill man. Go back to your dacha. Harvest some apples. Prep your garden for spring. Live Jesus. Study the Word. Preach the Word. Pray. What was does not necessarily forecast what is or is to be. Have more faith in the Word's power to have changed Putin, your fellow Russian, and even the most hardened Communist. Even poor old still oblivious Gorbachev without his knowing became God's servant by simply instituting glasnost and perestroika.

Lenin's corpse is on display and people view it. Good. What a refutation of communism's materialistic worldview. Standing by his corpse can any one come away not realizing that we are spiritual beings in a physical body for such a brief time?

Blogger Can't wait October 07, 2016 6:30 PM  

Western warmongers and Zionists are directing this "movie". None of them care about the carnage they create. Their choices and actions are all in obedience to their god, Satan. A war between two intercontinental nuclear powers can only have one outcome- winners 0, losers 2.
I liken this scenario to Benjamin Netanyahu saying, "we will fight to the last American."
I think the American military should pause and read 2 Chronicles 24:23-27. God decides wars, not men.

Blogger GFR October 07, 2016 8:40 PM  

I think that the utility of the Surface to Air Missile may be coming to an end. It may have actually ended in 1982 over the Bekaa valley.
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Some may recall that the Israelis used inexpensive drones to look for mobile SAM-6 batteries in 1982. The Syrians shot down quite a few Israeli drones but that turned out to be a waste of money because the SAM-6 missiles were considerably more expensive than the drones that they were shooting down.
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Eventually the Israelis located all the SAM-6 batteries and destroyed them with attack aircraft. The Syrians tried to protect the SAM-6s with fighter aircraft and they were also destroyed.
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The S400 is a big and expensive missile. The Radars and control vehicles are similarly large. Finding the S400 batteries with drones should be easier than finding the SAM-6 batteries.
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While it might be dangerous to use manned attack aircraft to destroy those batteries, I know that we have cruise missiles and other missiles like JSOW and HARM that can target S400 batteries on the ground. Most of those missiles are probably less expensive than the S400 missiles.
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I think the inherent weakness of the SAM concept is that the SAM batteries have to be located close to assets that they are trying to protect, while the aircraft that are targeting those assets (using stand-off missiles), can launch from anywhere.

Blogger Akulkis October 08, 2016 5:34 PM  

@14
"Suddenly I'm rooting for Russia against my own government.

Somebody shoot me. I've turned into a Leftist."

Not when your government is controlled by Leftists.

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