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Sunday, October 02, 2016

Safe as houses



The cartoon above is a reasonable summary of the current state of the West. After finishing The Clash of Civilizations, it is eminently clear to me that most people, from proposition-nation white conservatives to rainbow-haired, diversity-drunk, quad-gendered, genetically-vibrant multiculturalists, are as completely and absolutely clueless about what the future holds with regards to the ongoing remaking of the world order as the average rotisserie chicken. That's not surprising. To me, the remarkable thing is how early, and how clearly, Huntington saw the civilizational trends developing. This just goes to show how useful a sound conceptual model is, and how pointless it is to stubbornly insist on retaining models that events or logic have proven to be observably false.

Which leads me to address a concern that was expressed by several people concerning the way in which certain specific individuals happen to disagree with me, such as John C. Wright, whose recent post entitled Hooey and Phooey takes serious exception to what could be described in general terms as my Alt-West thesis. From the comments:
John C. Wright
"As for Vox, I admire his fight against the enemies of civilization, he's actually doing something about it. He can be wrong about an issue and right about the need to fight for something. An unintegrated horde of millions of people with a hostile ideology from one of the most violent places on earth should be opposed on the basis of common sense (no race-science needed)."

I agree.

This is a holy war, not a race war. The religion of secular leftism (and it is a religion in all but name) has made an alliance with the horrid and enduring heresy of the False Prophet, Mohammedanism, against the religion of the West, Christianity: those two are teamed up, and the Left are trying to use demographics to destroy us. He is right that it is an invasion: he is right that men who hate us cannot assimilate and certainly must be expelled from the nation.

Vox is dead wrong on the ultimate reasons and the ultimate cure for it. The ultimate reasons are spiritual, not genetic. The ultimate cure is revival of Christianity, a re-dedication to the founding principles of this nation, not the creation of a White Lives Matter movement coupled with an abolition of those principles.


Tom Simon
Vox is dead wrong on the ultimate reasons and the ultimate cure for it.

Sir, I am very glad that you acknowledge this. I have sometimes been fearful lest your business dealings with Mr. Beale (conducted to mutual profit) might incline you to overlook his faults in politics and dialectic.


Camilla Cameo
At the same time, I for one hope that this disagreement does not cause any rift between! (Though I suggested debate earlier, it was with the acknowledgement that the possibility of ill feeling would be a good reason not to.)
Let me be perfectly clear. I don't expect anyone to agree with me on anything, let alone everything. I suspect - let me correct that, I KNOW - that every single Castalia House author disagrees with me with at least some aspect of my Alt-West thesis even if they tend to generally support its objectives. Not even the co-author of Cuckservative wholly agrees with me; he is not a Christian, for one thing. I think William S. Lind would probably come the closest of them all and he does not even use computers.

So, I have to assume that my idea of direct techno-democracy is right out with him.

Now, I do happen to think the estimable Mr. Wright is so vastly and utterly and risibly wrong on this particular subject that one day he will find it it hard to imagine that he ever genuinely believed what he now believes quite sincerely.

But so what? I have been every bit as wrong about other concepts myself in the past, such as free trade, just to give one example.

There is neither a rift nor any reason for one. I don't edit and publish Mr. Wright's books because I care what he thinks about the Alt-Right or Western civilization, but because he is one of the three best SF/F writers writing today. His novels are entertaining, important, and uplifting. I wouldn't hesitate to publish China Mieville either even though Mr. Mieville's ideas concerning political economy are considerably more frothing-at-the-mouth mad than Mr. Wright's could ever be even if Mr. Wright were bitten by a rabid, syphilitic mongoose.

Nor do I admire Mr. Wright because I agree with him about one particular concept or another, but because he is a great writer and a good man. He is, without question, better than me on both counts. Although I think he is wrong with regards to American posterity, Aristotelian rhetoric, human intelligence, genetic science, and the art of war, just to name a few things concerning which we disagree, I enjoy reading his thoughts on those and other topics, and I do not mind his criticism in the least, as it is considerably more honest and substantive than most I receive. I consider it to be both an honor and a privilege to work with him.

The truth is immutable. But none of us have the capacity to see it clearly and fully. Perhaps time will help clarify who is correct and who is not, or perhaps not. In the meantime, all we can do is observe and reflect as honestly as we can.

Besides, if current events are any guide, I expect Mr. Wright and nearly everyone else to begin to come around to my way of thinking soon enough once the ongoing clash of civilizations strikes close enough to home to make an impression on them. Back in 2002, people were a lot more dubious about my opinion concerning a coming financial crisis than they are about anything I say these days. Frankly, I see "dead wrong" as a big step up from "seriously, what color is the sky in your world?"

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Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 12:05 PM  

Mr. Wright is still working through his stages of grief. Muh conservatism!

Blogger pyrrhus October 02, 2016 12:08 PM  

As Taleb repeatedly points out, Thanksgiving is a Black Swan for the turkey, but not for Farmer Jones....

Blogger pyrrhus October 02, 2016 12:15 PM  

John C. Wright needs to understand one thing. The human "blank slate" of which he is so enamored is not only complete scientific nonsense, and has been known to be so for more than 150 years, but it is the crucial belief of Marxism.....You can't be a Christian and a Marxist, in my opinion.

Blogger Michael Maier October 02, 2016 12:16 PM  

How the Hell would a mongoose get syphilis?

Anonymous DDT October 02, 2016 12:17 PM  

Vox,

Sorry for the off-topic comment. I assume this will be axed if needed, but considering the theme of the post is people needing to be aware of the threats among them, it seemed apt.

There's a nice little war going on in the Society for Christian Philosophers. As usual, it's about homosexuality. You've got some philosophically-minded readers on your blog. They may find this interesting, specifically since it involves SCP leadership having been caught being two-faced, lying about their Christian sympathizes and intentions.

It's a foxes guarding the henhouse situation.

Blogger Dave October 02, 2016 12:20 PM  

Just another failed assimilation project:

More Victims in Portland after Ethiopian Charged with Rape of 87 and 94-year-old

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/02/victims-emerge-ethiopian-charged-rape-87-94-year-old/

Anonymous Susan October 02, 2016 12:23 PM  

Sometimes it takes harsh measures to correct a situation when the situation has been allowed to exist for as long as this one has.

While Vox might not think of himself as being on a level with these fellows, he is most certainly on a level of experience with two gentlemen who were used to the mockery of nonbelieving individuals of their day.

I speak of Noah and Jesus. While Jesus was God on earth and he died to pay for our sins, he did say that he defeated the world by the end of his life.

In the end, both Noah and Jesus were proven to be correct. There is a great deal of comfort to find in that.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 12:23 PM  

In fairness, I understand the 94-year-old was pretty hot and dressed like a slut.

Blogger Nate Winchester October 02, 2016 12:26 PM  

So, I have to assume that my idea of direct techno-democracy is right out with him.

With the development of your alt-techs now is the perfect time to begin small game like tests of that. Have gab or other sites run decisions based upon your direct tech-democ idea. Then invite SJWS to come and test how robust or fragile the system is.

Should be most informative.

Blogger ZhukovG October 02, 2016 12:26 PM  

Dammit Vox! The Rabid Syphilitic Mongoose(RSM) program was supposed to be a secret!

INFOSEC people!

Blogger James Dixon October 02, 2016 12:30 PM  

> The truth is immutable. But none of us have the capacity to see it clearly and fully. Perhaps time will help clarify who is correct and who is not, or perhaps not.

In my experience, this is what make your blog unique. The endless quest for the truth and the willingness to admit that you may be wrong.

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 02, 2016 12:34 PM  

On genetic and spiritual: Genetics do play a role in that a large number of Muslims in Islamic countries have staggeringly low IQs, high illiteracy, and very high percentages of inbreeding (low estimates are around 35%-45%).

Also look at the amount of mental illness in the Leftist/SJW cohort. IIRC, it was something like ~25% have at least one form of mental illness.

That's not to say the spiritual problem isn't an underlying cause, but genetics play an integral part in the manipulation behind it.

(I.e., both are serious issues and must be confronted.)

Blogger Dave October 02, 2016 12:36 PM  

In fairness, I understand the 94-year-old was pretty hot and dressed like a slut.

And likely bedridden; so obviously asking for it.

Anonymous Casey October 02, 2016 12:41 PM  

Lincoln's understanding of the Union was that it could never be a place where Negroes and Caucasians coexisted. In fact, during his time he had many Negroes transferred to Liberia and was making plans to send more when John Wilkes Booth ended the party.

In fact, the more I read about Lincoln the more I'm convinced that his primary concern with slavery was the detrimental effect a large Negro population would have on American society long term.

Lincoln wanted the slaves freed and deported.

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Anonymous DT October 02, 2016 12:45 PM  

@8 - In fairness, I understand the 94-year-old was pretty hot and dressed like a slut.

Did that Ethiopian have government funded training in how to approach and flirt with American elderly women?

Did Donald Trump pay enough in taxes so that the Federal government could pay social workers to teach him about affirmative consent?

That's the real crime I tell you!

Blogger bob k. mando October 02, 2016 12:46 PM  

4. Michael Maier October 02, 2016 12:16 PM
How the Hell would a mongoose get syphilis?



probably from the same guy who gave AIDS to the pitbull.

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 02, 2016 12:46 PM  

Also consider Lincoln's plan for Reconstruction was to give the old plantation lands and wealth to poor Southern whites and then return governance to the South. Lincoln, and his generals, would have prevented the further destruction of the South had he lived.

A lot of people give Lincoln some shite (sometimes deservedly), but he really was about the nation as a whole.

Anonymous FP October 02, 2016 12:51 PM  

Wright: "This is a holy war, not a race war."

Yeah. No. See California and the southwest. Well, see hispanics moving in all across the country over the past 20 years.

I've heard all my life that the immigrants will assimilate by the 2-3rd generations. Often while those same pro immigrant people rabidly support non assimilation ideas like ESL programs while promoting immersion language training for native english speakers.

Also, I disagree with VD on the NFL. So there!

Blogger exfarmkid October 02, 2016 12:52 PM  

Vox, the cartoon is a hoot.

4. "How the Hell would a mongoose get syphilis?"

Not sure I want to know the answer to that.

Blogger Dave October 02, 2016 12:52 PM  

Can we get an over/under on the number of commenters that will say they don't agree with everything you say or write. That always cracks me up; do two individuals ever agree 100% on everything? Might as well post you believe the sun will come up tomorrow.

Anonymous trev006 October 02, 2016 12:53 PM  

Direct techno-democracy? If you mean "the Kaiser will send his orders through email," I still think Lind would be skeptical. And that's coming from someone who bought his book in support.

But who cares? This isn't a movement you can read people out of even if you wanted to.

Anonymous Supertankers of Deplorable Spartacus October 02, 2016 12:55 PM  

Dave wrote:Might as well post you believe the sun will come up tomorrow.

Now, I have to take exception to your proposition. Many say the sun comes up, indeed, it seems that it does. However, according to scientific consensus, the sun actually does not come up.

Anonymous Instasetting October 02, 2016 12:59 PM  

Nicely done. I disagree with you on some, and are mostly skeptical on others (the limits of a midwit intelligence inspire me to be cautious), but on others I have been convinced, and I have personally benefitted from learning things here. So thanks.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora October 02, 2016 1:06 PM  

Is spirituality entirely distinct from genetics? Individuals can differ but certain groups do tend to behave according to certain patterns rather consistently and tribes are extremely important in the bible, so much so that I don't think it's right to separate spirit and genetics. I'd argue that the battle is both because they are the same thing to some degree.

Blogger Dave October 02, 2016 1:08 PM  

However, according to scientific consensus, the sun actually does not come up.

Heh, on the verge of sperg.

Blogger bob k. mando October 02, 2016 1:09 PM  

the estimable Mr. John C. Wright
This is a holy war, not a race war.



it seems the Pope doesn't agree?

i mean:
a - Francis has not declared Crusade ... which is how the Roman Church wages war
b - Francis HAS DECLARED in favor of the racial invasion of Europe

so, not only has Francis declared a racial war, he is on the side of the African Muslims.

strange, that.

Anonymous M.W. Peak October 02, 2016 1:16 PM  

Disagreements like the ones between Vox Day and John C. Wright reveal something that the SJWs cry about, but are never able to produce.

Civil discourse.

Anonymous BGKB October 02, 2016 1:23 PM  

In fairness, I understand the 94-year-old was pretty hot and dressed like a slut.

She was not wearing a veil.

How the Hell would a mongoose get syphilis? probably from the same guy who gave AIDS to the pitbull.

So much for the idea of getting a pit bull from the pound because they would hate blacks.



OT: Googley eyed HilLIARy wrap up https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/30/secretary-clinton-and-the-special-contact-lens-permanent-double-vision/#more-122518

"Hillary Clinton’s correction for the double vision, the contact lens, means she gives up depth perception because she’s essentially monocular.

♦ The Microphone Tell – Another way the issue manifests is when you consider that Secretary Clinton needs to look at speeches and/or notes. Here’s where the specific style of microphone we have outlined comes into play."

Blogger Thucydides October 02, 2016 1:26 PM  

Just as an aside, once you finish reading and thinking about "The Clash of Civilizations" you should also take the time to read Huntington's last work: "Who are we?", which is also a good primer to both the history of America, the effects of changing demographics and his take on what needs to be done to change the situation.

As for the Leftists, even if they win and we are reduced to fortified redoubts in the mountains and deserts of North America, we will have the last laugh. They are so sure of their superiority and control they give no consideration to the fact that tougher, more vicious and resolute people are going to take over "their" revolution of race and class wars and stand the politicians, bureaucrats and academics who made this all possible in front of a wall to face a firing squad. If the winners are "merciful" they might send the minor functionaries out to labour camps and farms for re-education.

History is an excellent teacher in this regard (and we have examples going back a long way), but Leftists willfully distort and ignore history for their own purposes, and therefore are unable to lear from it.

Blogger guest October 02, 2016 1:30 PM  

Yeah, Mr. Wright is wrong about the nature of the battle being spiritual for either Progressives or Muslims. It has always been about materialism and greed. However noble Progressives claim their fight to be, it is always about materialism and greed. Mohammad never made any other claims besides materialism and greed for the spread of Islam. It was conquest for women and wealth. Even the paradise described for Muslims is based on material and greed. Where the paradise described in the bible is one of rest, and spiritual refreshment, love and intimacy with a loving Creator and the righteous, the paradise in Islam is described as orgies with hot-looking lovers both male and female, plenty of food and wine, and great clothes. It is purely material in nature. It has nothing to do with communion with the Creator of the universe, or even communion with dearest friendships.

Blogger John Wright October 02, 2016 1:47 PM  

@3
" John C. Wright needs to understand one thing. The human "blank slate" of which he is so enamored is not only complete scientific nonsense, and has been known to be so for more than 150 years, but it is the crucial belief of Marxism."

Except that I am neither enamored of the blank slate theory nor do I believe it.

One recurring objection I have to Vox Day is the bad habit he has, which many on the Alt-Right share, of this kind of silly strawman argument.

My conversations with Alt-Right have the same surreal atmosphere as conversations with the Left: they consist mostly of me saying "but I did not say that."

Two recent examples that spring to mind: Vox called me a fool for suggesting that Milo be subjected to a purity test, when, of course, I was pointing out the folly of purity tests in serious political movements.

Second, Vox spent six paragraphs calling me incurious, uneducated, and unable to tell the difference between necessary and sufficient, when I said Christianity was essential to Western Civ. He did not spend a word giving a single example of any Western nation losing its religion and retaining anything else characteristically Western, such as monogamy or Greek philosophy (as would be the case if Christianity were sufficient but not necessary.)

Since he then with approval quoted Huntington saying the selfsame thing I had just said, I am left nonplussed and mildly disgusted.

When I disagree with him, I say he is wrong. When he disagrees with me, he calls me a fool, and puts up cartoon pictures of chickens.

Anonymous mature-Craig October 02, 2016 1:47 PM  

Besides, if current events are any guide, I expect Mr. Wright and nearly everyone else to begin to come around to my way of thinking soon enough once the ongoing clash of civilizations strikes close enough to home to make an impression on them.

I agree with what you are getting at Vox... its noble of you to sound the alarm and warn other people and get them to wake up, you cant save other people though, its up to every man to save himself

Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 1:50 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:How the Hell would a mongoose get syphilis?

I expect a certain Bay Area troll would be involved.

Anonymous mature-Craig October 02, 2016 1:51 PM  

also there is a large segment within the minority population that are totally innocent... and still others who see the nwo propaganda for what it is and reject it.

Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 1:54 PM  

Mega props for the Rom the Space Knight reference in Somewhiter, Mr. Wright.

Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 1:58 PM  

The only instances of "fool" in this thread are in your post, Mr. Wright.

Anonymous Bob Just October 02, 2016 1:58 PM  

Who would have thought we would explore the parallels between the pecking orders/behavior in chickens breeds and Western civilization?

To my untrained eye the chicks all look like "layers" as opposed to the Dolly Parton of chickens (broiler)- the Cornish cross (a friend had one that became so top heavy it could barely walk).

Personality-wise the left-most chicken; looks to be a golden comet, usually has a docile personality). Switch the comments of the 1st chickens with that of the 3rd chicken.

The "roof" chicken might be an easter-egger/ameracuana (lays green eggs), some of these can be aggressive

The "here we go again" looks to be a Dominique, a pretty good layer but less hardy.

Out of 12 Dominique day-olds raised with 13 Ameracuana day-olds, only 1 of the Dominique survived to egg-laying age compared to 8 of the Ameracuanas.

Also interesting is that some breeds of roosters will risk certain-death to defend the flock and others will run at the first sign of danger.

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Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 2:01 PM  

I think this is the discussion of purity tests Mr. Wright was referring to:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/milo-discusses-alt-right.html?m=0&commentPage=2#c8431171205528936029

Blogger The Deuce October 02, 2016 2:01 PM  

"He did not spend a word giving a single example of any Western nation losing its religion and retaining anything else characteristically Western, such as monogamy or Greek philosophy (as would be the case if Christianity were sufficient but not necessary.)"

Isn't it the other way around? Vox is saying Christianity is necessary but not sufficient for Western Civilization.

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Anonymous Sharrukin October 02, 2016 2:03 PM  

32. John Wright October 02, 2016 1:47 PM

"I am neither enamored of the blank slate theory nor do I believe it."

Then do you believe there is a racial component involved?

Africa is Christian...indeed, increasingly more Christian than Europe. Does that make then more capable of becoming 'western' than your native European?

Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 2:03 PM  

Wright:


So someone solve the paradox for me.

Either you drive away Milo because of his bad race or bad genes, or you say that those who adopt faithfully your ideals, Redskins like Vox, also must be gathered into the 'big tent' in order to make the Alt Right something larger than a fringe group.


Vox:


We're not conservatives, John. We don't worry about dotting "i"s and crossing "t"s in the middle of a war. Milo is shooting at the enemy. That's what the Alt Right likes to see, whether he is one of us or not.

You're still locked into your ideological thinking and conservative purity spirals. But not everyone who is one of us is useful. Not everyone who is useful is one of us.

Anonymous Helton Strom October 02, 2016 2:05 PM  

@11 and John Wright - but that is what is so marvelous about the Alt-Right and the West: we can disagree, toss occasional metaphorical bombs, misunderstand each other, disagree on some fundamentals, and still be friends that do productive work together. Because we seek truth, petty mistakes and misunderstandings, typos, and over-heated rhetoric are soon forgotten as the trivial failings of the humans we are, and we move on in our quest for truth and understanding. Meanwhile on the left, anything less than abject subservience and agreement is met with hostility, hatred, disemployment, and mob hysteria, shrieking, and eventually pogroms. On the lift feelings and victimhood rule; on our side, truth will eventually win, because as the nearly sainted Col Jeff Cooper said: If a principle exists it must be immutable, for that is what a principle is—a truth standing apart from the mood of the times.

Blogger bob k. mando October 02, 2016 2:05 PM  

John C. Wright
a re-dedication to the founding principles of this nation



but it IS a founding principle of the nation that only White people of good character could become citizens.

that didn't even change until the 1960s.

and, here you are, "Conservatively" defending the novel Law and Philosophy which has only existed for ~50 years.

Blogger praetorian October 02, 2016 2:10 PM  

I'm surprised that John is so adamantly anti-racialist.

One of the reasons I can be much more open to the results of genetic and racial studies is that I'm a Christian and, therefore, think humans have intrinsic value. I'm convinced that a lot of the educated anti-racialist left is so vehement because they are terrified at the prospect that the eugenicists were right.

"Christianity is the only frame which has preserved the pleasure of Paganism. We might fancy some children playing on the flat grassy top of some tall island in the sea. So long as there was a wall round the cliff's edge they could fling themselves into every frantic game and make the place the noisiest of nurseries. But the walls were knocked down, leaving the naked peril of the precipice. They did not fall over; but when their friends returned to them they were all huddled in terror in the centre of the island; and their song had ceased."

Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 2:11 PM  

Identity trumps ideology; but some men fashion an identity from their ideologies.

Blogger praetorian October 02, 2016 2:15 PM  

a re-dedication to the founding principles of this nation

Grand. May we include, in our return to the founding principles, also the founding principle of immigration consisting only of white persons of good character?

Or are we discussing the founding of America by the Jews in the 1910s?

Blogger Sheila4g October 02, 2016 2:17 PM  

@6 Dave: Beat me to it. But in a related article Breitbart informs me that "Ghana is 71 percent Christian and 17.6 percent Muslim," so surely the odds are that this Ghanaian was a Christian, and thus an excellent candidate for promulgating Western Civilization.

Blogger bearspaw October 02, 2016 2:18 PM  

Is it me or has Mr. Wright not bothered to read Vox's 'points'.
He is arguing like a child who thinks a rebuttal is sticking your fingers in your ears while shouting ' nanananan'.

Blogger Salt October 02, 2016 2:20 PM  

This is a holy war, not a race war.

Holy, yes, but that's not the all of it. In any event, I'll hold that as a question the next time I see birds of a not-a-feather flocking together.

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus October 02, 2016 2:22 PM  

Helton Strom wrote:what is so marvelous about the Alt-Right and the West

Well said.

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 2:28 PM  

I'm still thinking through this (which is engaging my brain).

I find a contradiction in Wright and many others who say Genetics don't matter then point out that men and women are different. You mean that XX and XY result in differences even to the point of which (sex) soul God assigns to the body? But isn't the Y chromosome DNA?

I've already stated I don't believe in "magic DNA" any more than magic dirt. I doubt genetics is a necessary condition, but it makes things a lot easier (To go back to the Hillary v.s. the Pickle jar, either me or my dad would have to open jars for my mom, since there was no opening technology back then).

I think Wright would have a point if man were not fallen, and even Christ doesn't fix concupiscence. He's a Catholic, but even at the height of the late Spanish Scholastics that almost found Austrian Economics, they didn't create the Constitution. Spain and Portugal applied their version of Christianity to South America, the French to Quebec, and the English and Dutch to Eastern North America, but even then some were nonconformists. Only one set produced the Declaration and Constitution, and it wasn't the Catholics.

You can argue that the Holy Spirit will keep the Church on the right track concerning faith and morals, but not on science, politics, and economics. The miracle at Philadelphia was a grant, and endowment we must conserve.

America-as-Idea is irrelevant. Tom Woods and Bob Murphy leave on the "Contra Cruise" - but they haven't decided to buy a ship and move offshore and create a libertarian convoy where they could set up their ideal utopia. The United States is a nation.

In order to preserve the endangered species of the idea of America, there must be a reservation where it can be allowed to flourish lest it become extinct. We must exterminate or remove the invasive species that threaten it.

That's nationalism. To add white, one merely need ask about the demographics that really want America 1.0 back. It is not IQ - I cannot think of a single Asian. There are a handful of African outliers. This is not unlike looking at the fire departments across the USA and - Shock! - discovering they are all male.

I believe that it isn't race but the civil catechism - no civil creed - which must be accepted, and that it is universal, but that we've lost the ability and knowledge of how to catechize.

The Christian Missionaries have had limited success and seem to have stopped trying (because of multiculturalism). If the first question asked of an immigrant is "are you a practicing Christian", it would filter most rejects - there are few Jeffersonian deists. But that would exclude most Muslims and Latin Americans.

Anonymous English Tom October 02, 2016 2:32 PM  

The ultimate reasons are spiritual, not genetic.

The ultimate reason is that (((They))) are behind this Clash of Civilisations. (((They))) are the ones responsible for pouring hordes of muds and orcs into our homelands.

(((They))) have to destroy the US so the US cannot go after (((Them))).

Europe is to feel the chaos so that afterwards Europe will be rebuilt in a Russian-devised Marshall Plan which will be the EEU.

(((They))) will then control the heartland, from Lisbon to Vladivostok.

"Who controls East Europe controls the heartland. Who controls the heartland controls the world island. Who controls the world island controls the world."
- Halford Mackinder

(((They))) know exactly what (((They))) are doing and Trump is their little shabbas pet.

Good luck to you America. You're going to need it!

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 2:33 PM  

Dialectic v.s. Rhetoric illustrated:
When I disagree with him, I say he is wrong. When he disagrees with me, he calls me a fool, and puts up cartoon pictures of chickens.

Are any of the three at the bottom roosters? I've heard Milo likes black cock.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 2:34 PM  

Two recent examples that spring to mind: Vox called me a fool for suggesting that Milo be subjected to a purity test, when, of course, I was pointing out the folly of purity tests in serious political movements.

When did I do that? I've been arguing against the folly of purity tests and purity-spiraling for the last week myself.

Second, Vox spent six paragraphs calling me incurious, uneducated, and unable to tell the difference between necessary and sufficient, when I said Christianity was essential to Western Civ. He did not spend a word giving a single example of any Western nation losing its religion and retaining anything else characteristically Western, such as monogamy or Greek philosophy (as would be the case if Christianity were sufficient but not necessary.)

Why would I do that? I have repeatedly said that Christianity is necessary, but not sufficient myself. You didn't say Christianity was "essential" to Western Civ, you said it WAS Western Civilization. Whereas I stated that Christianity is essential to it, one of its three pillars, in fact.

Since he then with approval quoted Huntington saying the selfsame thing I had just said, I am left nonplussed and mildly disgusted.

Huntington does not say the same thing you do. Not at all. His position is actually less close to yours than mine is, as he considers it to have six or seven total aspects, if I recall correctly.

Your precise words were, "I would go further, and say not only that Christianity is needed for Western Civilization, I say Christianity IS Western Civilization."

Huntington, on the other hand, categorizes Byzantine, Orthodox, and Latin American civilizations as Christian civilizations that are distinct from Western civilization. He also notes that Africa and Korea are both heavily Christian and are not Western civilizations, although neither are major civilizations. Ethiopian civilization is another Christian civilization he mentions, albeit a minor one.

Therefore, Christianity is not, and cannot be, Western Civilization in and of itself. So, you need not be disgusted, but you may wish to reconsider your position.

I haven't called you a fool, incurious, or uneducated, nor do I believe you are any of those things. I merely think I have demonstrated that you are wrong. I will admit to suspecting that you have not read Huntington's book in its entirety, but that's hardly a crime. As of a week ago, I hadn't either.

OpenID karmakelli2000 October 02, 2016 2:36 PM  

From Mr. Wright's article: "it would not follow from this that no community of mixed races is possible or desirable, and that a community based on shared values, such as an agreement to respect the civic rights of other in return for being respected, cannot exist and should not be tried."

Any of numerous clips from Jared Taylor on You Tube make a more convincing argument than I ever could, why diversity is always doomed to fail. Even Supreme Court justices agree that a different heritage or different lineage brings a different perspective to the world. My 91405 Van Nuys zip code is 73% Mexican, and the door hangers are in Spanish. I'm not sure this is what Jefferson had in mind.

Again, Mr. Wright: "But in the 1950s, before the welfare state, the marriage rate and divorce rate among blacks in America were better than among whites. It was not until the federal government began bribing the blacks to have bastards, and giving them money in return for votes, that the rates among black poor turned toxic."

I see this argument frequently from the Right: those foolish Democrats turned the black community to the Dark Side. But what else was going on in the 50s? Hint: "Strange Fruit."

Though welfare freebies haven't helped, a Negra population kept in line by swift and terrible punishment toward all who dared get "uppity" is a far more compelling reason for our social harmony in 1953.

Mr. Wright, you may pooh-pooh IQ, but there's a correlation between stupid and violent.

Ironically, now that race relations are falling apart, we have a black Attorney General named Lynch. The gods laugh.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 2:41 PM  

We're not conservatives, John. We don't worry about dotting "i"s and crossing "t"s in the middle of a war. Milo is shooting at the enemy. That's what the Alt Right likes to see, whether he is one of us or not. You're still locked into your ideological thinking and conservative purity spirals. But not everyone who is one of us is useful. Not everyone who is useful is one of us.

Yes, and where did I call him a fool? I simply pointed out that there is no paradox. He created an either/or that is not applicable for the reason I mentioned. We don't have to do one or the other, and in fact, we aren't.

Anonymous CloseHauled October 02, 2016 2:43 PM  

How does one say "assholes" in Esperanto?

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 2:46 PM  

To summarize a point I made in multiple posts there (which I expect Disqus will give replies which I will address later)

This is 1860 where the two sides are supremacy with abolition (I know, but bear with me), and subsidiarity with slavery. Even with hindsight, I cannot know which side I would have fought for were I called then. Brother against Brother.

This is not the early 1900s which had immigrants either returning or desperately trying to assimilate and to determine how to become as American as possible.

The Somali who moved to Minnesota are Black and Muslim and haven't assimilated.

The White Afrikaners who moved to San Diego only differ from Mayflower natives by their accent.

Can one build a tower using mud bricks? Probably - see Babel. But steel is more efficient. And the time is short.

We cannot take the long and difficult path to restore America since we have let it decay for a generation. God has given us a single grace for recovery and if we reject that it will be a new dark age - perhaps a pampered and pleasant one like those in Constantinople experienced while Rome fell. But it will still be a dark age.

I'm not sure about the precise history of the Crusades, but I assume there were those who preached peace and conversion of "those nice but misguided Muslims".

I'm not perfectly confident I've identified that this is not a time for reason and diplomacy and not for war, but that is what is implicit in the division between the two sides.

I don't want it to be war, but I'm not sure the opposition isn't Chamberlain proclaiming "peace in our time". I can be convinced, but have been presented no evidence.

Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 2:48 PM  

CloseHauled wrote:How does one say "assholes" in Esperanto?

It's the same word as the Esperanto for "fluent".

Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 2:52 PM  

VD wrote:Yes, and where did I call him a fool? I simply pointed out that there is no paradox. He created an either/or that is not applicable for the reason I mentioned. We don't have to do one or the other, and in fact, we aren't.

Men who make an idea the focus of a fictive identity tend to lose their ability to appreciate practical measures.

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 2:54 PM  

The family is the ultimate "in-group preference". The problem with miscegany is that it a priory demonstrates that the preference is weak if not nonexistent.

If one says they love their child and the stranger's child next to them in the park equally, something is seriously wrong.

It doesn't mean miscegany or trans-racial adoption is intrinsically wrong, but it does seem that many who are doing it aren't doing it out of love but virtue signalling.

Anonymous CloseHauled October 02, 2016 2:57 PM  

"It's the same word as the Esperanto for "fluent""

Soros?

Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 2:57 PM  

Miscegeny is the rejection of your own kind in favor of the stranger. It leaves members of your own kind mateless, unless they are willing to practice it.

Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 2:59 PM  

CloseHauled wrote:"It's the same word as the Esperanto for "fluent""

Soros?


"skype"

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 3:08 PM  

Ultimately, the idealists that wish America to be the propositional nation, the melting pot, the civil creed, must realize that we are at a critical point.

As a video with clips from Disney's Alladin pointed out:

It's not that freedom is bad / but only whites think it's rad.

Heresies aren't all equal. I'd rather be a minority Catholic among Mormons than Muslims.

The war is at its root spiritual, but different cultures have different spirits. It is not either or, but both-and.

Some of the Alt-White have been calling for an end to abortion and contraception.

I cannot find any of the cuckservatives doing so.

Who is my ally?

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 3:14 PM  

Ultimately, the idealists that wish America to be the propositional nation, the melting pot, the civil creed, must realize that we are at a critical point.

They won't until they feel one of their deeper identities more threatened than their ideological identity. As I told someone whose family contains adopted Africans, you will never accept or understand you're not on their side until they tell you that. Because one's identity is not entirely self-determined; only SJWs believe that.

Blogger Matthew October 02, 2016 3:15 PM  

Remember who's wearing the trousers.

Blogger Escoffier October 02, 2016 3:17 PM  

Wright: "This is a holy war, not a race war."

Can we not embrace the healing power of 'and?'

Anonymous Bukulu October 02, 2016 3:17 PM  

Guest @ 31,

"Yeah, Mr. Wright is wrong about the nature of the battle being spiritual for either Progressives or Muslims. It has always been about materialism and greed." [emphasis added]

Yeah right back at you. Materialism and greed are spiritual problems.

Blogger James Higham October 02, 2016 3:17 PM  

Since 2006, I've been trying to present alt-politik - sometimes a tale has its day, e.g. Common Purpose over here, sometimes it has its day and then passes before there is any outcry.

Many things in the pipeline for the PTB still have not come to fruition but they're ready to. There is no point debating someone without the knowledge or research ... so I don't bother these days.

OpenID sigsawyer October 02, 2016 3:19 PM  

The reddest pill of all is to realize that the 'founding principles of our nation' were, in of themselves, dyscivilizational leftism and that America's successes were due to the moral strength and vigor of the English who settled here.

Hint: Every other nation that tried the 'American Experiment' went down in flames.

Putting the individual's selfish and petty desires above the transcendent purpose of the nation necessarily leads to all of the problems Mr. Wright complains about.

For the average man, his link to the past is severed. The Church, the Constitution, Mr. Wright's beloved Manchester Liberalism, these are removed from him by his modern education. The cord of Tradition is cut. He is adrift in a sea of nonsense and lies; worse, he lacks the fundamental intelligence to know Truth. If he had it, the West would never have gone astray.

What he needs is a powerful man who has not been severed, who will force him at first into obeisance and remove the stain of the Left, which will later become a willful respect for his virtue and successes, and finally be passed down to his children as authentic, real Tradition.

Blogger pyrrhus October 02, 2016 3:28 PM  

"Mr. Wright, you may pooh-pooh IQ, but there's a correlation between stupid and violent."

And it's a very strong correlation, as many studies have shown. Violent felons are so dumb, on average, that our 9 Priests in DC have had to rule that those with IQs under 70 can't be executed.

Blogger pyrrhus October 02, 2016 3:30 PM  

It does seem to be useless to argue with people like Wright. Maybe you have to believe a lot of fantasies, instead of your own lying eyes, in order to write good fantasy.

Anonymous Trainspotter October 02, 2016 3:31 PM  

"The ultimate reasons are spiritual, not genetic. The ultimate cure is revival of Christianity..."

Why does this "ultimate cure" elude the countless non-white, Third World communities that are Christian? Why don't these silly, ridiculous conservatives choose to live in non-white, "Christian" communities? Why do they instead insist that non-whites be inflicted upon white communities?

The obvious reality is that race matters, and we're well past the point where those who deny this can be taken seriously. These dopey, race-denying cucks have done more to enable the anti-white Left than anyone. Respect? They have earned nothing but contempt.

The anti-white system is more than happy to have you quibble about non-essentials, so long as you don't violate the ultimate rule against defending whites. It's the ultimate prohibition because destroying whites is the ultimate prize.

Of course, ridiculous cucks do everything that they can to assist the system in enforcing this prohibition: "Oh, I agree with you about so many things, but *please* stop defending whites."

How obvious does this have to get? The best that can be said of a "conservative" is that he's a low-grade con artist. More often he's just a dope.

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 3:37 PM  

@67 - This is the dichotomy. If a child is raised to be A although for all appearances is B, there will be more than confusion. I can imagine the Greeks St. Paul converted who "Weren't Jews". He had St. Timothy circumcised.

You might successfully produce an Englishman in the body of some other race. Yet if I ask if sex/gender is merely a construct, and if someone insists they are trapped in the "wrong" body, what is the reaction and reasoning? There are XY women - and I will call them women since with medical treatments (which Catholics would object to) they can bear children but cannot sire them.

This is the parallel of the non-English Englishman.

The contradiction is that of the trans-gendered. "I'm a man trapped in a woman's body" is not that far from "I'm an englishman with the rights of an englishman trapped in the body of a Watusi".

It is the stuff of SciFi, and perhaps Wright could write a novel to this point where minds move among bodies. Apparently not across genders, but across races (I used to be able to deadlift a lot, but now I can run marathons?).

This fallen world reality sucks.

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 3:40 PM  

Is "Miss Keg Any" related to girls becoming prettier as closing approaches?

Anonymous Marvin Boggs October 02, 2016 3:41 PM  

@14: Casey, I've heard that numerous times, but I've also heard the contrary. Would you happen to have any citations on the issue?

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 3:44 PM  

The contradiction is that of the trans-gendered. "I'm a man trapped in a woman's body" is not that far from "I'm an englishman with the rights of an englishman trapped in the body of a Watusi".

The SJW accepts both. The Alt-Right rejects both. The conservative accepts one and rejects the other.

Which position is the more logical? Which position is more reflective of observable reality?

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 3:46 PM  

Vox is dead wrong on the ultimate reasons and the ultimate cure for it. The ultimate reasons are spiritual, not genetic. The ultimate cure is revival of Christianity, a re-dedication to the founding principles of this nation, not the creation of a White Lives Matter movement coupled with an abolition of those principles.

You can't revive what has never lived. Christendom was accepted by Europe. It has been mostly rejected by Africa and Asia. You need missionaries to the latter. A revival can only occur in the former.

I doubt the coastal states wish any re-dedication to the founding principles of this nation. There are states who do, but they are less multicultural.

"White Lives Matter" can either accept or reject the "principles" and it will be their choice. But Vox has said if the Alt-White pushes too hard with purges they will consign themselves to irrelevancy.

Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 3:49 PM  

Conservatism is the conservation of progressivism from yesterday. Chesterton wrote as much. Why claim identity based on that kind of crap? I don't get it.

Anonymous Sharrukin October 02, 2016 3:50 PM  

@14: Casey, I've heard that numerous times, but I've also heard the contrary. Would you happen to have any citations on the issue?

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/05/05/not-great-emancipator-10-racists-quotes-abraham-lincoln-said-black-people/4/

,“…I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

“And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.”


“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

“I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.”


“There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races … A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas…”


“Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man.”

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler October 02, 2016 3:52 PM  

A "revival of Christianity"?

Really?, when all of the Christian Churches, both Catholic and Protestant are infected with Cultural Marxism!

The question is "Why and how was Christianity supplanted by Cultural Marxism"? That is the question and the essence of our problems.

The answer: Cultural Marxism is part or concomitant of Gnostism. The Church has failed because all have been Gnostisized. How does one cure the disease of Gnosticism?

That's the problem.

Blogger The Kurgan October 02, 2016 3:53 PM  

Not strange at all. Anyone actually looking at the Catholic Church in any detail will quickly conclude Sede Vacantism (actually Sede privationism is the more correct term) is the only logical truth concerning the church.

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 3:57 PM  

@79 - exactly.

While we might wish to consider the ideal and the better angels of our nature and what the City of God might be like, we must understand we can't achieve it, and that seducers will try to pervert those same ideals to our destruction.

Aquinas said it might take 3-4 generations to assimilate.

If a Watusi couple moved here, Homeschooled using the KJV, Locke, and Black (law dictionary), Jefferson, the Federalist and Anti-federalist writings, the children of the children would be likely to understand the target culture the alt-Right is after.

Instead we have signs in Spanish (and 100 other languages) about how to mooch on the US Taxpayer (or b[ag]ondholder).

I'm 3rd generation and made it a point to understand "the proposition". Even most modern Englishmen don't, and even those descended from those here at the time of the Revolutionary war.

Pretending assimilation doesn't help assimilation. In this case being suspicious and careful is more likely to result in actualization.

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 3:59 PM  

A "revival of Christianity"?

Really?, when all of the Christian Churches, both Catholic and Protestant are infected with Cultural Marxism!


Such a Groucho. But that is why we need a revival, or an awakening. To undo the secular influences and return to true, real Christianity. The kind that Catholics and Protestants would almost come to blows instead of stating there is no truth and we can all get along.

Blogger pyrrhus October 02, 2016 4:00 PM  

Emil Kirkegaard explains effect of European ancestry in the Americas--very strongly positive for cognition and success....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfW0LJFi_FY&feature=youtu.be

Blogger John Regan October 02, 2016 4:04 PM  

Jakarta, the largest city of Indonesia, is over 90% muslim yet produces this, which at this point probably cannot be found in most cities in the west:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF6-9AS4hWU&index=4&list=FLznuFtXwwUyCLp9CDtsBZdg

Doesn't this provide some anecdotal support for Mr. Wright's position?

Anonymous Sharrukin October 02, 2016 4:07 PM  

88. John Regan

"Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina"

Sounds VERY Indonesian.

Blogger pyrrhus October 02, 2016 4:11 PM  

Honestly, I think it's completely impossible to create non-toxic social policies in a society that denies the huge influence of genes on abilities and behavior. Our society is willfully blind, despite the fact that importance scientists are virtually 100% male and white, North Asian, or Ashkenazi , while Pro football is 80% black, top sprinters are 100% west African black, etc....

Blogger pyrrhus October 02, 2016 4:13 PM  

@88 Not sure the relevance of the fact that Chinese Christians exist in Malaysia--we all knew that...

Blogger Thucydides October 02, 2016 4:20 PM  

I'm not as sure about the spirituality argument necessarily leading to requiring the revival of Christendom in the West to revive the West (although there is a strong argument for this in the case of America).

Western civilization has Classical Greek civilization at the root, and the Classical Greeks were pagans and even somewhat secular in their outlook (they may have sacrificed to the gods and prayed to particular gods for particular favours, but their writings are generally not theological in nature and their mythology suggests they looked at the gods as allegorical archetypes of human traits), but alone of all the ancient civilizations they believed that individuals had intrinsic worth and that Greeks were all equal to each other.

So the real key seems to be a strong cultural identity, rather than exclusively a spiritual one. Europeans, despite the decline of the church and the growth of supranational parasitic organs like the EU still have strong national and cultural identities. Frenchmen are still French, and Dutchmen are still Dutch, despite almost a century of social engineering and political experiments ranging from the New Order to the EU.

American Exceptionalism is perhaps the closest thing to an exclusively American culture, which explains why the Left is so violently opposed to that idea, and work assiduously to tear down the "Shining City on the Hill". Without that cultural anchor, the people living in the United States are adrift, and have nothing to rally around (or a multiplicity of small substitutes, which still leaves them divided and confused). American Culture is very much Christian, but as Huntington suggests in "Who are we?", built around the particular vision of Protestant Dissenters, and even from particular districts in England. (Consider that places like Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also settled by Englishmen at different times, but never evolved the political and social institutions of the United States).

So the argument for the Alt West and Alt Right should be around what sort of culture we want to create. Christianity is a very positive element that can and should be carried forward as part of your cultural inheritance and as a means of binding the elements of culture and society as we go forward, but I do agree with Vox and others that it is one of the pillars, not the sole one.

Blogger FSL October 02, 2016 4:20 PM  

@84 The Catholic Church does not say that the Pope is infallible in all he says, only when he explicitly declares something to be infallibly so by virtue of his office. So the behavior of Popes and even their errant beliefs of themselves do nothing to invalidate their office even if they wear it poorly. Sede Vacantism is incoherent, because if you really believed in a "Sede" to begin with established by Christ, you should also understand it cannot be vacant until the end of time, inclusive.

It would definitely seem based on South America and Africa that Western Civ indeed does not equal Christianity, contra Wright. Germanic independence and Roman piety and lawfulness are definitely part of the mix that make WC. On the other hand, it's both nature *and* nurture that make barbarians what they are. Assimilation in extremely small doses *is* possible. Mass inundation OTOH will destroy WC, even if not Christianity.

Anonymous Siobhan October 02, 2016 4:26 PM  

It's you.

Blogger tz October 02, 2016 4:29 PM  

Supernatural v.s Supranational.

Anonymous #1037 October 02, 2016 4:31 PM  

In that post John Wright claims that Pennsylvania was mostly Dutch. He doesn't even know that the "Pennsylvania Dutch," my ancestors, are GERMAN. Not that not knowing that invalidates his whole argument, but come on man!

Blogger M Cephas October 02, 2016 4:46 PM  

I think I'm with Cernovich on this one. Let's have the right actually start winning for once, and we can sort out the disagreements after a major win or two.

Even though I think assimilation is possible, it is currently not possible.

The tap needs to be turned off completely for at least a couple centuries to allow the ones already here to assimilate. And there will still be those that simply will not want to assimilate.

OpenID anonymos-coward October 02, 2016 4:53 PM  


It would definitely seem based on South America and Africa that Western Civ indeed does not equal Christianity, contra Wright.


Two points: a) Only Roman Catholics and Orthodox are Christian, i.e., part of a Church founded by Christ. Protestants aren't Christian. Sorry. b) "Civilization" equals Christianity. Not all civilizations are Christian, of course. I'd rather have non-Western civilization than Western decivilization.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 02, 2016 4:55 PM  

Immigration to the US was effectively shut down in the 1920's. How many generations did it then take for Italians and Irish to really assimilate? Some would say "too early to tell".

Even John C. Wright should be able to grasp the idea that unlimited immigration means assimilation stops?

Turn off immigration for 75 years and we'll see.

In the meantime, science marches on and we learn more and more about the genetic roots of many common behaviors.

"You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" - great grandmother

"Blood will tell" - great grandfather

Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 5:03 PM  

Ancient Judaism plus Classical Greece plus European Huwhites equals The West? If so, cool.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 02, 2016 5:08 PM  

#1037 wrote:In that post John Wright claims that Pennsylvania was mostly Dutch.

He is even wrong about that. The Germans/Dutch were only about 33% of the population of Pennsylvania in 1787. The English/British made up 60%.

Blogger clk October 02, 2016 5:11 PM  

"When I disagree with him, I say he is wrong. When he disagrees with me, he calls me a fool, and puts up cartoon pictures of chickens."

VD's been an really fowl mood lately ..

Blogger JLanceCombs October 02, 2016 5:14 PM  

"The truth is immutable. But none of us have the capacity to see it clearly and fully."

Best statement ever. Useful against both absolutist fundamentalists and wishy washy relativists. Neither absolutism nor relativism, but a realistic realization that the truth exists, but human beings are generally too stupid to figure it out with any absolute clarity.

Anonymous johnc October 02, 2016 5:18 PM  

We could turn off immigration with a completely non-controversial argument: we simply do not have the economic means to take on more people. Until the unemployment disaster is resolved and our wages start going up, we can't bear any more immigrants.

We should limit it to <5000 per year for the most exceptional individuals only -- world-class surgeons, scientists, etc.

Blogger theoldnorth October 02, 2016 5:19 PM  

Though I recently spent too much time arguing the case for genetic influence in Mr. Wright’s blog comments (and I don’t even consider myself a part of the Alt-Right), I tend to see his resistance to ideas like this as a sign of a genuine devotion to Christ and dedication to cultivating the virtues. He is not a hypocritical SJW sometimes denying racial differences and at other times playing them to the hilt. When I carefully read the Bell Curve some 20 years ago I despised the conclusions but had to concede that the authors had made a very convincing argument. I looked in vain for someone to refute the book on the matter of facts and not cries of racism (ridiculous if you have actually read it in its entirety). I would still like for it not to be true, and if someone can convince me it is not I will be more than grateful. I think only someone as intelligent and as basically good-hearted as Mr. Wright can deny such plain but admittedly unwelcome facts in such a convincing way, and I can’t fault him for either quality.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 02, 2016 5:36 PM  

"We should limit it to <5000 per year for the most exceptional individuals only -- world-class surgeons, scientists, etc."

What about the countries those world-class surgeons and scientists come from? Can you morally justify taking them away from the countries where they were born, thereby impoverishing the economies of those countries?

Look at Britain, for example, and imagine what it might be like today, if so many of the 'best and brightest' hadn't emigrated in the 'brain drain' of the last fifty years. Anyone who wonders why it's fallen so far and so fast only needs to look at the emigration trends to understand why. Most of the smartest, most talented people left.

Blogger dienw October 02, 2016 5:36 PM  


Two points: a) Only Roman Catholics and Orthodox are Christian, i.e., part of a Church founded by Christ. Protestants aren't Christian. Sorry.


Unmitigated horseshit. This is why if the alright goes down this path the Protestants who hold Christ as their head, not some pagan Babylonian mystery religion posing as Christianity, Protestants who are historically aware will not join you: we who know history know the bloody history of Roman Catholicism know that the we Protestants will be tortured and burnt at the stake; there will no difference between the totalitarian regimes being offered.

This nation was founded as a Protestant nation, not a Roman Catholic one. At first, Roman Catholics were discouraged from migrating; only as the Jesuits undermined this nation did the curse of Rome grow as leaven in dough: if this nation completely falls under the sway of Rome, there will be no reason not to sweep Roman Catholic South American into the borders of this land. The RC is Jezebel slaughtering the saints and raising up idolatry.

Anonymous Reader October 02, 2016 5:36 PM  

A great takedown of the al-tright from Mr Wright.

VD, you need to get out more into the broader community. People of colour are not the enemy; it's the bankrupt leftist's ideals, if we can call it that.

Sometimes, I wonder whether VD's outlook is influenced by his unfortunate experience being turned down by a black girl when he asked her out. Just joking.

Although I just bought a book from Castalia 2 days ago, I'm going to buy Wright's book today as a donation. S Molyneaux, whatever the spelling of his name was, an alt-whitey, in the podcast was asking for donation. So there.....

Blogger FSL October 02, 2016 5:39 PM  

@98 I'm not sure I understand:

""Civilization" equals Christianity. Not all civilizations are Christian, of course."

This seems on the surface to be a contradiction. Can you elaborate?

"Only Roman Catholics and Orthodox are Christian."
On the contrary, Protestants are Christian, and educated Catholics know this. As an example of this, I myself was baptized in a Lutheran Church. When I entered the Catholic Church, I did not need to be re-baptized, but only confirmed, because I was already a Christian, although for much of my life I labored under materially heretical beliefs.

"The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter. Those who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. With the Orthodox churches, this communion is so profound that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist." (CCC 838)

However, just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you're going to Heaven. TULIP (In this case the "I") is BS that leads many a poor fool to Hell.

Blogger DrAndroSF October 02, 2016 5:39 PM  

Despite my far too many college degrees, I am finding this discussion hard to follow. So let me add my confusion by thinking aloud:

If you want to save Western Civilization, then you must save the native peoples of Europe and their worldwide genetic descendants, aka, the White race. Why? Because Western Civilization is entirely the product of European people.

Pro-White survival, flourishing and dominance in the West has to be the groundwork principle.

But people of European descent need to have a binding and motivating spiritual power in order to do this. VD thinks it must be a revived and de-liberalized Christianity. I don't see that happening, but one thing it cannot be is Western Liberalism.

So mere genetic survival and cultural centrality and dominance by Whites, while absolutely necessary, is not enough by itself. Without that, we have nothing. With only that, we don't have enough.

Have I got it right so far?


Anonymous Reader October 02, 2016 5:41 PM  

Have to add, when he was still single, in college. Not to suggest any impropriety.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing October 02, 2016 5:42 PM  

@105

I was arguing with someone over the undeniable truth of the IQ differences, and the only thing they could produce was a perceptual study where they measured the percentage of people that thought there was a difference. Since computer graphics, animation, and perception are my fields of expertise, color me surprised that his "evidence" meant nothing to me. The only thing that measures is how strong the propaganda is or how restrained people are at mentioning it...

It's almost comical that the same people that "love science" will default to the basic fallacy that if most people think the world is flat, then it must be so.

They have to cry racism or pull out scientific nonsense because the evidence is so conclusive. If you even look at the converged Wikipedia, in one bullet point they state that 60-80% of IQ is hereditary, yet somehow conclude that the racial difference (which many times exceeds the remaining 20%...) conclusively has nothing to do with genetics, which is completely contrary to that stated point. In the schools, they just tell people to discount those studies as a whole because they have an "evil" intent to them. They never refute the conclusions, they only tell you that it's heresy.

Anonymous Reader October 02, 2016 6:02 PM  

We are now in the post-modern world where technology makes it possible to interact with people of all shapes and colour, every single day, so really, if we want to save western civ. we have to fight the leftist's ideology including their penchant for bringing in people with values anathema to western civ, and we can do with more help from all people regardless of colour.

Those racists worried about the colour of people who will be inhabiting the west, how are you going to stop a white loving a person of colour and have children by her? Isn't western civ. about individual rights?

I thought I vaguely heard, that by 2050 the white in the U.S. will be the minority if the birth rate within the white people stays the same. I'd say your decline you brought it on yourself.

With the decline in birth rate of native population in Japan, they are now worried about their economy because of their growing ageing population.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 02, 2016 6:06 PM  

tz wrote:@79 - exactly.

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If a Watusi couple moved here, Homeschooled using the KJV, Locke, and Black (law dictionary), Jefferson, the Federalist and Anti-federalist writings, the children of the children would be likely to understand the target culture the alt-Right is after.

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I don't think that is correct. Your politics and world view are influenced by your ethnicity and DNA as much as your IQ and athletic ability is.

Watusi who had children are successful at being Watusi and that continuum of traits that make them a success is not what the West needs

They can never become Western though if your idea of what makes an American, American is weak enough they certainly can be Americans and good ones.

There are occasional outliers like our host but while he is a Red Indian he isn't full blooded and its probable his politics are because his DNA is mostly Western and strongly English

My suspicion is that your genetic admixture and what parts are predominate will determine most of your personality make up and the corresponding political preferences

This tendency is why the Know-Nothing's and Nativists who opposed certain types of European immigration were correct to do so, the newcomers essentially destroyed the Founders Republic something that really only works for a subset the English and close kin.

The West being what it is, needs to be a separate series of peoples with commonalities, nothing uniform

For the US , the chance to adapt State centered Constitutional Minarchy is long past. It can be a functional, mostly Western society but the Founder Republic is no longer possible since the stock that created it is nearly no more.

This Next Republic is doable with an iron boot on the neck of the left for a few decades and it would I suspect resemble a somewhat more Right Wing mid to late 20th century which is fine.

Europe and the Anglo-Sphere will have other patterns but its not for me to decide. In any case if they aren't White, they are dead.

This means that the idea its a religious war as Wright suggest is false, its a territorial and ideological one , a war for land an government.

As long as we have ours and its secure, the rest of Christendom and other faiths can live in peace

Blogger Miss Carnivorous October 02, 2016 6:16 PM  

Speaking of "Quad gendered" persons, I was researching my GEDmatch DNA matches today and came across this bit of insanity, an American transsexual who claims to be a "Present day noblewoman". You can't make this stuff up!

http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Natalie_de_Clare_(1975)

Blogger Unknown October 02, 2016 6:16 PM  

if current events are any guide, I expect Mr. Wright and nearly everyone else to begin to come around to my way of thinking soon enough

How do we identify the “false gods”? We look for anything raised to a level of ultimacy that God alone occupies. One way to gain perspective on false political gods is to observe the way their ideologies are shaped and proselytized. Another way is to identify and excavate their 'good vs evil' presumptions. Every such ideology mislocates “evil” and then deifies some aspect of God’s creation to redeem us from that evil. This is the Alt-Whatever in a nutshell.

Mr Wright is remaining convictional, refusing to compromise on his biblical beliefs, and capitalizing on every opportunity to decenter himself and preach of God's power to redeem. His writing indicates that he trusts God and decenters himself, or at least is trying to. He doesn't resort to unchristian behavior as a means of promoting Christian goals. He doesn't demonize, degrade, or misrepresent his opponents in order to score political points. He prioritizes long-term witness over short-term political victories.

[John Wright] is a great writer and a good man. He is, without question, better than me on both counts.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 6:31 PM  

Those racists worried about the colour of people who will be inhabiting the west, how are you going to stop a white loving a person of colour and have children by her? Isn't western civ. about individual rights?

There are many ways, from propaganda to deportation to sterilization. We will probably see all of them in use in different countries.

He doesn't demonize, degrade, or misrepresent his opponents in order to score political points.

(laughs) Who has more accurately represented the other's position here? Who has more accurately described Mr. Huntington's positions?

I do think Mr. Wright is a better writer and a better man. And neither has anything to do with whether he is correct or not. As I have already shown with regards to several points, he is not.

He doesn't resort to unchristian behavior as a means of promoting Christian goals.

Who said anything about Christian goals? My desire to save Western civilization has nothing to do with Christianity. I believe it is worth saving in and of itself. I want the Vikings to win tomorrow night too, but that is also not a Christian goal.

Blogger The Other Robot October 02, 2016 6:32 PM  

What difference does it make at this point that there might be some doddering old ex-Auschwitz guards still shuffling through life?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 02, 2016 6:33 PM  

Reader wrote:We are now in the post-modern world where technology makes it possible to interact with people of all shapes and colour, every single day, so really, if we want to save western civ. we have to fight the leftist's ideology including their penchant for bringing in people with values anathema to western civ, and we can do with more help from all people regardless of colour.

Those racists worried about the colour of people who will be inhabiting the west, how are you going to stop a white loving a person of colour and have children by her? Isn't western civ. about individual rights?

I thought I vaguely heard, that by 2050 the white in the U.S. will be the minority if the birth rate within the white people stays the same. I'd say your decline you brought it on yourself.

With the decline in birth rate of native population in Japan, they are now worried about their economy because of their growing ageing population.



Oh hey reader, good post top notch concern trolling and nice mixing of fact and ideology and vague language.

Now to your points

#1 Mixing and communicating with do not imply cohabitation nor should they. Separation is true diversity . That said you are right on Leftism, its just multiculturalism and multi-racism and Cultural Marxism are inherently part of leftist package and have to go

#2 The West has never been about personal freedom ,not even the US but individuality is a part of it .As for stopping race mixing if the US is almost entirely White it won't matter much and social pressure will stop most of it. If harder measures are needed, treat it as offense warranting loss of nationality and deportation to Brazil or wherever. I doubt that will be needed. Even in pozzed areas, race mixing isn't that common

#3 Good use of vague concern troll methods. A bit doctrinaire and Soros styled but good . Still what you said is true actually and it is our fault. Its also easily reversible and I suspect in the process of being such

#4 Japan isn't the West. So long as they can keep the money junkies and the multicult from wrecking the place with migrants they'll be fine in a few decades. That tiny island can't support 120 million people anyway

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 02, 2016 6:39 PM  

The Other Robot wrote:What difference does it make at this point that there might be some doddering old ex-Auschwitz guards still shuffling through life?

It doesn't but Jews don't have any breaks on revenge as the Bible notes , Jehovah wouldn't have to have said "Vengence ifs mine: if his chosen people could let go

Also the WW2 narrative has to be reinforced at all costs .

Happily in only a few decades pretty much that entire generation will be gone and their ideological hold will be able to be weakened considerably

Hopefully this won't bring on a revival of Nazism though, that's the last thing the west needs. I think .

Anonymous Trainspotter October 02, 2016 6:44 PM  

@104

"We could turn off immigration with a completely non-controversial argument: we simply do not have the economic means to take on more people."

Yes, this is a perfectly reasonable argument. So is arguing out of concern for the environment, labor rights, etc. There's no shortage of excellent arguments in support of reducing/stopping immigration.

The problem is that, in the real world, they don't work. However true & accurate they may be, they are not sufficient to get a society to actually stop immigration. We see this again & again.

This has been field tested by reality. Which countries are getting hammered the hardest by destructive, non-white immigration? Answer: those very countries with the strongest history of pro-labor policies & environmental movements - the white, Western world.

In contrast, what countries are able to effectively resist mass immigration? By this I mean wealthy countries that, should they open their doors, would quickly be flooded by the teeming hordes.

Wealthy countries such as Japan & other Asian nations, various wealthy Arab states and, of course, Israel, all seem largely immune to mass immigration. Why is this? Is it primarily because of labor concerns? Environmental concerns? Some other perfectly reasonable consideration?

I'm sure these things are factors, but they are not central. So what is?

Identity. We are a tribe. This is our tribe's homeland. You are not part of the tribe so, no, you will not be allowed to move here. You don't belong here. It ain't personal - you're just not one of us.

It's that simple. A people stripped of identity are easy prey - they can't defend themselves. But when they have tribal/racial identity, they can easily assert themselves and take the required actions.

Identity works, and there is no substitute for it. The white nations will not save themselves until they come to terms with this reality. In the real world, it's the only thing that stops the invasion.

This is why the system attacks white identity as the ultimate sin - because it knows that white identity is the ultimate defense. Without it, the European descended peoples are done for. With it, anything is possible.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 02, 2016 6:57 PM  

"If harder measures are needed, treat it as offense warranting loss of nationality and deportation to Brazil or wherever."

We need to return to the old tradition of a woman becoming part of her man's family, as epitomized by her taking her husband's name in marriage. Even the most egregious coalburner will think twice if she realizes she's going to become Mrs Katanga and have no more ties to her own family after the wedding. If her husband is deported, so is she.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing October 02, 2016 7:02 PM  

@122

I agree to that idea. Those who make that choice need to be sent away. If I were in power and it was time for the deportations, all women who've married a foreigner or a non-European would be sent away as well. I'm a bit harsh I think, but I have little care for kindness, patience, or understanding there. They've cast their lot.

Blogger John Wright October 02, 2016 7:03 PM  

@96
"He doesn't even know that the "Pennsylvania Dutch," my ancestors, are GERMAN"

Except I did not say that. My mother's folks are Pennsylvania Dutch. I assumed my readers would knew that the word comes from Deutsche and refers to Germans, and you would know what group I was talking about.

Anonymous SanityClause October 02, 2016 7:03 PM  

"If an opinion is not fearlessly discussed, it will be held as a dead dogma" J. S. Mill

Pythagoras said: “None can be free who is a slave to, and ruled by, his passions”

If you feel very strongly about your belief on this point, you will be unable to fearlessly discuss it, even in your own mind, and it will become a dead dogma. As such, you will never know if you are right, since you cannot question a dogma to know. It cannot be said to be right unless it can stand up to questioning.

If you feel strongly that it should not be questioned, chances are that you wish to believe it for reasons other than what you state, even to yourself. Until you discover and examine those reasons, you will not be rational. Only then can you reexamine this question rationally and thus have a far greater chance of arriving at the truth of it.

However, what we are discussing is the aggregate beliefs and actions of human individuals who are the most wildly variable creatures we know. As such, any truth about their actions are likely to be at best partially right, with many outliers. It is thus possible for both sides of the argument to be both right and wrong, since neither can be wholly right.

But is not the question, what can be done?

Here is an idea, we cannot change the genetics, we can change the culture, we know both have a strong effect, let us change what we can. The question then is, how much can we change the culture, in what ways, and how long will it take? If we cannot change it to avoid coming problems, what ways can we at least mitigate them? For instance, can we change the violent black culture now seen in many inner cities, and if not, what should we do about it? If it gets worse, and we cannot stop that, Vox's idea that we should separate them may be the only way. Civilizing them may be both desirable and possible, but between now and then, surviving them may be more important. Changing a culture takes a while, sometimes a long while, and you can't do it if your in the middle of a civil war. War is not vary civil.

Meanwhile, behind the problems are the SJW's and leftists, if we do not eliminate them, the problems will continue, since they are behind black violence now, (actively encouraging it as a political tool), and behind the impending collapse of the economy, the power grid, causing massive corruption in government, and suchlike that are immediate problems and thus do not allow time for a slow change of culture. If we crush them, at least we can stop it from rapidly getting worse, and give us time for slower solutions. If we do not, we will be unable to drain the swamp* since we will be hip deep in alligators.

* Sorry, did I say swamp, I'm am supposed to refer to them as “wetlands”, aren't I? If we don't eliminate the SJW's, we won't even be able to talk about the problem, or even acknowledge them as problems.

Anonymous Reader October 02, 2016 7:10 PM  

You attribute your country's success to 2 things: white people who founded your nation and their high IQ, (if the genetic correlations were correct).

What about the fact that they had a headstart because they brought with them knowhow from England. Also what about the fact that there was a sort of self-selection, the people that first settled the U.S. were determined and the courageous type?

What I mean to say is that race and genes are necessary but not sufficient. You need the right attitude too.

Blogger John Wright October 02, 2016 7:24 PM  

@57
"You're still locked into your ideological thinking and conservative purity spirals."

Since you are claiming I think ideologically (I don't) and that I am "locked into" a purity spiral (I am not: I was suggesting the opposite), and since you think these ideas are folly, you are here calling me a fool.

As I said, it is strawmanning. You assign to me something I do not believe and attack that.

Note how often in the comments above this is done:
@1 (jests that I am grief stricken when I am not. I praying for Trump to destroy the GOP establishment)

@3 Says I am enamored of blank slate theory, when it is a theory I regard as absurd and despicable.

@19 I cannot tell what relevance he thinks this has to the point. I believe the Mexican immigration was engineered by the political Left to change the balance of demographics in the nation so as to destroy it. I believe the Left is not motivated by money or political power mainly, but by dogma, that is, a spiritual motive.

@31 Someone else already spoke to this point. Materialism and greed are spiritual, not genetic.

@56 Imagines I am anything but an ardent opponent to diversity

@52 I did not say genetics do not matter.

And on and on.

Gentlemen, what makes you unable, if you are answering something I said, to refer to what I said?

If I believe the coming race war was engineered by Leftists and Mohammedans rather than by genes, and I believe Mohammedanism is a religion rather than a race, and I believe Leftist is an ideological substitute for religion rather than a race, if, in fact, whether or no I believe genes control testosterone level or intelligence level, I do not believe genes determine Mohammedanism or Leftism, then a call the causes of the coming race war spiritual (based on religious belief) not genetic (not caused by genes).

On the other hand
@72 "The reddest pill of all is to realize that the 'founding principles of our nation' were, in of themselves, dyscivilizational leftism and that America's successes were due to the moral strength and vigor of the English who settled here."

Hear, hear. It is the culture, and not the law, which made the US system workable.



Anonymous Reader October 02, 2016 7:27 PM  

Yes, time will tell if the altright is right.

In Australia, the head of One Nation party (a former fish and chips shop owner), Pauline Hanson, who most of the time has extreme views, said 20 years ago that, Aus was being swamped by Asians with bad consequences. That didn't happen. By all accounts we are contributors to the country's good.

Lately, she said, Aus is being swamped by Muslims with bad consequences. This I agree because we had our share of Islamic terrorism too.

It's not about the colour of your skin; its about what your values and ideals are.

People are not incapable of change and learning.

I looked at the stormfront website and saw a picture of Hitler.
I'm thinking, what made these people have extreme views. Recently, the leader of white supremacist here in Aus was arrested. He's a thug a member of a bikie group.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 7:37 PM  

Except I did not say that.

"How odd that Pennsylvania, which was mostly Dutch, was allowed to enter the Union"


One-third German is not mostly Dutch. I have no doubt that you know that the Pennsylvania Dutch were German. But you did say it, and Pennsylvania was neither mostly German nor mostly Dutch. There was nothing odd about it, and the Founding Fathers, such as Ben Franklin, expressed their doubts about the wisdom of allowing even that many Germans in the Union.

>Why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our settlements, and by herding together establish their languages and manners to the exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our language or customs, any more than they can acquire our complexion?
- Ben Franklin, Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind

275 years later, over 100,000 of them still speak German as their primary language.

Blogger Unknown October 02, 2016 7:38 PM  

My desire to save Western civilization has nothing to do with Christianity.

One of your four "inescapable conclusions" after analyzing Huntington:

"The preservation of the West requires a revival of Christianity"

Prefaced by:

"Not bringing a religion to a clash of civilizations is like not bringing a gun to a gunfight."

And from your response to Mr Wright earlier in this thread:

"Whereas I stated that Christianity is essential to it [Western Civilization], one of its three pillars, in fact"

It's quite the internal contortion to hold all of these things to be true but desire them not.

Anonymous Sharrukin October 02, 2016 7:41 PM  

126. Reader October 02, 2016 7:10 PM

"You attribute your country's success to 2 things: white people who founded your nation and their high IQ, (if the genetic correlations were correct).

What about the fact that they had a headstart because they brought with them knowhow from England."

Australia was a penal colony. Criminals and the unwanted. Australia prospered.

Can you explain Nigeria, Detroit, Haiti? If knowhow is the key then why hasn't any African nation prospered given that now widespread knowhow?

Why does Detroit look like it was the one that got nuked? Sweden and Norway were ruled by welfare state socialist for decades and yet Detroit is the ruin. Why?

Algeria was ruled for over a hundred years by France and yet that magical quality doesn't seem to have been transmitted to the people. A Pied Noir born and raised in French Algeria fled to France and assimilated. An Algerian immigrant does not. Why?

As someone pointed out above, a white Afrikaner assimilates perfectly well but a black South African doesn't.

Why did the white colonies of Britain prosper but the black colonies regress after colonial rule vanished?

Must be the magical juju racism of the white man that can do anything!

Anonymous Trainspotter October 02, 2016 7:59 PM  

@128

"By all accounts we[asians] are contributors to the country's good.

This is not true. It is not good for whites to be swamped by Asians in our own countries. Diversity and multiculturalism, even with "model" minorities, is not to our benefit. In contrast, having our own homelands with full sovereignty and self-determination is to our benefit.

I realize that you want the invasion/colonization process to continue, for the simple reason that it is in your interest for it to do so. However, it is not in our interest, and I say this as an admirer of (some) Asian peoples.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 8:02 PM  

What I mean to say is that race and genes are necessary but not sufficient. You need the right attitude too.

That may well be.

Since you are claiming I think ideologically (I don't) and that I am "locked into" a purity spiral (I am not: I was suggesting the opposite), and since you think these ideas are folly, you are here calling me a fool.

John, if I wished to call you a fool, I would do so directly. You aren't a fool and you needn't derive any contempt that I don't feel. And I will certainly retract the claim that you are locked into any sort of purity spiral. I'm not sure what I even meant there.

But as for referring to what you said, several people have specifically done so. A number of specific errors have already been pointed out to you, complete with direct quotes. But if you wish more, here are three.

1. It's not a race war or a holy war, it's a civilizational war. Race and religion are both factors.

2. This actually is the behavior of someone confident that the facts on his side will speak for themselves. The problem is, as Aristotle correctly teaches in Rhetoric, "Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct." We also have to speak to, and persuade, those incapable of instruction. Simply reciting the facts is insufficient.

3. The Alt-Right is not as intellectually bankrupt as the Alt-Left. It is not intellectually bankrupt at all.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 8:07 PM  

It's quite the internal contortion to hold all of these things to be true but desire them not.

Not in the slightest. It refers to the reason for the desire, not the lack of desire. I am neither Japanese nor Shinto, and yet I also desire the continuation of the Japanese people and Japanese civilization out of respect for both. For example, I am a Christian. I also wish to secure the existence of the white nations, but I do not wish that because I am a Christian nor do I believe that to be a Christian objective.

Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 8:08 PM  

Mr. Wright's lawyer background is showing. He means what he says except when he doesn't. And it's up to you to know the difference.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 8:08 PM  

By all accounts we are contributors to the country's good.

That is simply false. You, too, should read Huntington. He specifically addresses Australia's long-term Asian problem, which is also civilizational in nature.

Anonymous Trainspotter October 02, 2016 8:09 PM  

@131

"A Pied Noir born and raised in French Algeria fled to France and assimilated. An Algerian immigrant does not. Why?"

Excellent question. The importance of race, blood & heritage is so obvious that you really have to marvel at the mental gymnastics & cognitive dissonance of those that still struggle to deny it. It takes a certain cult-like determination to deny reality when confronted with an endless stream of evidence. Someone really should do a meaningful psychological study of the cucked-out mind.

Blogger wrf3 October 02, 2016 8:19 PM  

This has to be one of the most important things you've ever written.

Gender is a physical construct: XX vs XY chromosomes. But the brain is also a physical organ. What happens when the wiring of the brain isn't congruent with the construction of the genitals? The brain may be more (naturally) plastic than the genitals, but both can be resistant to change. How, then, do we determine which takes precedence?

Rights are either inalienable and true for all, or a social construct that depend on time and place. Either the Watusi and the Englishman have an unshakable claim to the same rights, or they have a claim to rights based on time and place (and both are fluid), or they have a claim to rights based on genetics. It is only in this last option that the two scenarios are identical.

Anonymous Sharrukin October 02, 2016 8:20 PM  

137. Trainspotter October 02, 2016 8:09 PM

"It takes a certain cult-like determination to deny reality when confronted with an endless stream of evidence. Someone really should do a meaningful psychological study of the cucked-out mind."

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill.

To embrace the uncomfortable truth is to make oneself something of an outcast in present society. Most people have no wish to do that and therefore engage in the required mental gymnastics to make that psychologically possible. Events will have to get considerably more exciting before most people move away from the status quo.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 02, 2016 8:34 PM  

VD
I am neither Japanese nor Shinto, and yet I also desire the continuation of the Japanese people and Japanese civilization out of respect for both.

Yet if Vox were to decide, "Hmm, I now self-identify as Japanese, therefore it is my proposition that I am a citizen of Japan", what would the result be?

Anonymous Trainspotter October 02, 2016 8:39 PM  

@139

"Most people have no wish to do that and therefore engage in the required mental gymnastics to make that psychologically possible."

For the ordinary man, yes. Not particularly intellectually engaged or curious, he goes through life engaged in his mundane tasks, keeping his head low. He goes with the intellectual and moral flow, either unwilling or unable to challenge it. For the most part, it would never even *occur* to him to challenge it. While not particularly admirable, this is entirely understandable. Ordinary is ordinary, and life goes on.

But for the smarter set? The intellectually engaged man, who takes the time to argue these points? Who repeatedly puts forth claims and arguments that are self-evidently false? The one who aggressively argues in the face of reality, contorting himself into a pretzel in order to deny that 2+2=4? That's a different matter, and a different sort of creature.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 02, 2016 8:42 PM  

wrf3 wrote:This has to be one of the most important things you've ever written.

Gender is a physical construct: XX vs XY chromosomes. But the brain is also a physical organ. What happens when the wiring of the brain isn't congruent with the construction of the genitals? The brain may be more (naturally) plastic than the genitals, but both can be resistant to change. How, then, do we determine which takes precedence?

Rights are either inalienable and true for all, or a social construct that depend on time and place. Either the Watusi and the Englishman have an unshakable claim to the same rights, or they have a claim to rights based on time and place (and both are fluid), or they have a claim to rights based on genetics. It is only in this last option that the two scenarios are identical.


I'll bite. What are these rights that you speak of? The rights of an Englishman perhaps?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 8:44 PM  

40. lowercaseb October 02, 2016 2:02 PM
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I've noticed this happens often with your posts, why ?

Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 8:48 PM  

40. lowercaseb October 02, 2016 2:02 PM
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I've noticed this happens often with your posts, why ?


Too explicit Milo/Harambe fan fic.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 02, 2016 8:51 PM  

Wyrd wrote:40. lowercaseb October 02, 2016 2:02 PM

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I've noticed this happens often with your posts, why ?


Too explicit Milo/Harambe fan fic.


No kidding. The last one oddly remminded me of Chuck Tingles.

Anonymous Sharrukin October 02, 2016 8:51 PM  

141. Trainspotter October 02, 2016 8:39 PM

"But for the smarter set? The intellectually engaged man, who takes the time to argue these points? Who repeatedly puts forth claims and arguments that are self-evidently false? The one who aggressively argues in the face of reality, contorting himself into a pretzel in order to deny that 2+2=4? That's a different matter, and a different sort of creature."

In my experience intelligence simply gives you the ability to lie to yourself more convincingly. I have met more than a few not particularly smart individuals who have a better grasp of the reality around them than their much smarter peers.

I suspect that our intellect is not as independent of our emotional hind brain as we would like to believe.

Most people cannot be educated about something they don't want to believe.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 02, 2016 9:05 PM  

Except it was not how the setup was configured inotially. Lincoln was a proposotion nation guy. For whites for sure but a propostion nation all the same. Lincoln even invented mythical cords and union before there even was a uSA.

Blogger VD October 02, 2016 9:07 PM  

In my experience intelligence simply gives you the ability to lie to yourself more convincingly

Precisely. Far too many intelligent people dedicate the majority of their efforts to justifying and defending opinions they, at the very least, suspect to be flawed, rather than to ferreting out the truth.

One's first step should be to determine what one wants to be true. And then test that possibility more stringently than the rest.

Anonymous A Low-Level Technocrat October 02, 2016 9:08 PM  

Civic nationalism of the type suggested by Mr. Wright is not currently in effect in America. If it were, there would need to be a system for deporting native-born Americans who don't hold a "dedication to the proposition for which America stands" and are, therefore, unamerican. Since no such system is in place and there are many Americans explicitly opposed to any set of propositions for which America could be said to stand, it is logically incoherent to claim any such propositional basis for being American.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 02, 2016 9:11 PM  

Late to this party and goong thru the responses. Glad you answered. No way you would hold to a blank slate idea and find it difficult that anyone would missunderstand you at that level.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 9:14 PM  

" Precisely. Far too many intelligent people dedicate the majority of their efforts to justifying and defending opinions they, at the very least, suspect to be flawed, rather than to ferreting out the truth. "
Amen, Vox.

Blogger Minecraft Chuck October 02, 2016 9:16 PM  

We have a term for the mind not matching reality. It's called insanity.

As for the English Watusi, individuals are not populations. But the rule of reversion to the mean still holds, even for them.

Pakis left Pstan for London to escape the co editions their faith and culture created. They took their faith and culture with them. They raised their children with portions of that faith and culture. The children grew up, and wanted to know more about 'their' faith and culture. So they become more faithful than their parents, who left Pstan to get away from everything the faith and culture naturally produce.

And we wonder where the 'self-radicalizing' Muslims keep coming from.

Blacks in America, Europe, and basically the entire world have shown that they, as a group, either cannot or will not adapt to modern civilization. The reasons why are largely immaterial at this point. Nature, nurture, a little of both. Doesn't matter when history and reality show that they simply don't.

Yes, not all of them are like that. There are exceptions. Not every bit of uranium will decay in a certain time period either, but I still wouldn't want to eat any of it.

Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 9:24 PM  

In my experience intelligence simply gives you the ability to lie to yourself more convincingly.

Hence, this is why Gygax separated intelligence from wisdom. What? Why are y'all looking at me? Get away from my polyhedral dice in my leather-lace-up boots! Elbereth!

Anonymous Sharrukin October 02, 2016 9:30 PM  

151. Minecraft Chuck October 02, 2016 9:16 PM

"We have a term for the mind not matching reality. It's called insanity."

It's also called faith, imagination, creativity, and love. It can be both benevolent and damaging.

I agree with regards to your point about populations vs individuals. Groups have their own dynamic that seems to be very long lasting in historical terms.

Anonymous Sharrukin October 02, 2016 9:33 PM  

152. Wyrd

LOL

Blue Box veteran myself.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster October 02, 2016 9:34 PM  

"Pakis left Pstan for London to escape the co editions their faith and culture created."

Yes. I never met anyone in the UK who was more opposed to Muslim immigration than the first wave immigrants from Pakistan I met there, who'd been in England for a few decades. They'd moved there to escape from the very people the British government was importing in droves, and knew exactly where it would lead.

And you're right. The fundamental problem is that they wanted to move to England, but retain their own culture, without realizing that their own culture was what they were fleeing from in the first place. Hence their kids also often grew up to be the kind of people they'd fled from.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 02, 2016 9:35 PM  

@143. Haven't seen you for a while. Finally dry out? Anyway, great to see you around.

Anonymous Trainspotter October 02, 2016 9:44 PM  

"In my experience intelligence simply gives you the ability to lie to yourself more convincingly."

There's a great deal of truth to that. However, some intelligent men do in fact seek truth (however imperfectly), while others aggressively employ their intelligence in the service of evading it, even when not being paid to do so. So intelligence per se isn't the controlling factor.

The interesting question is why some fall into one camp as opposed to the other. Call it character, call it a psychological profile, but there's something there. I'll admit to taking a bit of pleasure in turning the tables - the enemy has condescendingly psychoanalyzed dissidents for so long that a bit of turnabout seems like fair play. I don't have a background in psychology, but for someone who does there may be a real opportunity here.

Anonymous Wyrd October 02, 2016 9:51 PM  

@Trainspotter

Wisdom.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 9:54 PM  

Hezzy, I post regular like , and no I ain't changed one damn thing. Maybe you are thinkin' 'bout some one else. Yes, I can show my ass, and have done so on occasion . But not every time I post do I do so.

Blogger J.M. October 02, 2016 9:59 PM  

Sharrukin wrote:32. John Wright October 02, 2016 1:47 PM

"I am neither enamored of the blank slate theory nor do I believe it."

Then do you believe there is a racial component involved?

Africa is Christian...indeed, increasingly more Christian than Europe. Does that make then more capable of becoming 'western' than your native European?


Sorry but Africans on average are as Christian as they are of Norse origins. As a matter of fact one of the greatest tragedies of colonization was that Christianity was not imposed on them and their filthy practices were never eradicated.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 10:03 PM  

I agree with J.M. Ubangis and the like are animists.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 02, 2016 10:03 PM  

@159 Just so we're clear, I was sincere. I haven't seen you around, and I'm grateful to see you. I should not have made the dried out joke, that was PROJECTION. God bless you, John mosby.

Blogger Pteronarcyd October 02, 2016 10:06 PM  

VD's ability and willingness to accept criticism speaks to his confidence in his position and his desire to find the truth. An enlightened Westerner has nothing to fear from free debate. The Alt Retard class (which overlaps considerably with the Alt White), however, shuts down debate like the Alt Socialist SJWs they are. Like any other SJWs they reject empiricism.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 10:08 PM  

Hezekia, If I offended you, that was not my intent. I am a very crusty sort, take it as it is. Bless you too, brother.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 02, 2016 10:14 PM  

@164. Brother, you have NEVER offended me. Pissed me off beyond belief calling me the Kike offspring of a Somali drug addict, sure. But not offended. It's all in the past.

If you EVER need help from me in ANY way, ask Vox for my email. I'll find a way to be there for you.

Roll Tide!

Blogger Tom Kratman October 02, 2016 10:24 PM  

"A Pied Noir born and raised in French Algeria fled to France and assimilated. An Algerian immigrant does not. Why?"

The answer to this is obvious, and an obvious and necessary rejection of magic dirt theory. The French (or other north of the Med) settlet in Algeria never became Algerian. He always remained French (or Euro, anyway). Thus, going back, for them, required no change but only that they stay the same. Now, it is not necessarily true that a minority of frogs in Algeria would have remained French if they had been immigrants and duly assimilated both to the local culture and Islam. In that case, I'd be very surprised if they'd been able to return to France and become French once again.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 10:25 PM  

Roll Tide !
Now you pissed me off.
Hail State , Hail yeah !
Geaux Tigers ! ( The wife and paw in law are LSU alumni )
But other than than that, hells to the yes, ROLL TIDE !

Blogger Harold October 02, 2016 10:33 PM  

Two points: a) Only Roman Catholics and Orthodox are Christian, i.e., part of a Church founded by Christ. Protestants aren't Christian. Sorry.

Unmitigated horseshit.


Agree with the unmitigated horseshit. All mainstream and organized Protestant churches have a direct lineage to the Roman Catholic Church. (As do the Orthodox Churches.) There are some individual "independent" Christian churches with self-proclaimed pastors who have not been formally ordained through an unbroken line to the RC Church. They are, to my mind, sects. And some of them have really odd practices... And then there are the Mennonites, who regard themselves as, and are generally recognized, as Christians. Who do good works. And help. But they don't regard themselves as Protestant, and they're not RC. But I would be hard put to deny their Christianity. I tried looking up their ordination line of descent from the RC church, couldn't find it. And the Amish, again generally recognized as Christian, have no line of descent and no formal training and ordination process.

Blogger Johnny October 02, 2016 10:39 PM  

@14
@82
@147

As it happens I am read Reassessing the Presidency, The Rise of the Executive State and the Decline of Freedom. The author has a strong point of view that I only half agree with and he can be tedious with detail, the thing is a long.

He makes a highly negative case on Lincoln and it is easy to do. Lincoln's whole awe-shucks country routine was fake. He was a rags to riches rustic, but before he became president he spent thirty years as a political operative and office holder for the Wig Party and then the Republicans. Plus he was corrupt. The railroad interests paid him a huge salary to represent them in court. Too big to be real so it was a political payoff.

The back story for the war between the states is mercantilism. The north wanted the south to be a market for its goods. That was the real dispute, everything else was secondary. When Lincoln got in the south was pulling away but it was not yet a done deal, only some of the states had formally seceded. In terms of appeasing the south Lincoln did nothing, and actually aggravated the situation. Apparently he thought they could win the war fairly quickly.

If you correlate everything he did with the interests of the northern industrial sector, the fit is perfect.

And just for fun the Ft. Sumter attack was a setup. The stupidest thing Jefferson Davis ever did was to fire on that fort. Lacking that Lincoln would have had to argue his way into the war, and it would have been a tough slog.




Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 10:41 PM  

Harold, you are a papist idjit of the first degree. What part of Protestant don't you get ?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 10:54 PM  

You friggin' papists think you you got the " inside track " on The Christian faith. You are wrong, but let not your popery get in the way of common sense , God forbid.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 11:13 PM  

"The back story for the war between the states is mercantilism"
That was the driving force . Yankees ( yooz ) wanted total control of the cotton production to feed yankee mills, the South said fuck you, ain't gonna happen. Thus we had a Civil War.

Blogger D. October 02, 2016 11:15 PM  

Vox Day,

What ever flavor Alt.... you are. You are still a dissident in their their eyes.

>Get along, get along Kid Charlemagne
Get along Kid Charlemagne

Now your patrons have all left you in the red
Your low rent friends are dead
This life can be very strange
All those dayglow freaks who used to paint the face
They've joined the human race
Some things will never change
Son you were mistaken
You are obsolete
Look at all the white men on the street<

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/steelydan/kidcharlemagne.html

You might want to read "The Power of the Powerless" by Vaclav Havel. Same shit different time:

http://www.vaclavhavel.cz/showtrans.php?cat=eseje&val=2_aj_eseje.html&typ=HTML

Just change the names to reflect current times and the "song remains the same"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w3emvHepgU

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 02, 2016 11:15 PM  

@171 Are most mackerel snappers assholes? I am. For sure.

Did Christ found a Church? Certainly.

Don't confuse the two, John. If you can't ignore that, maybe it is time for you to swim that river?

Blogger D. October 02, 2016 11:37 PM  

>Let us take note: if the greengrocer had been instructed to display the slogan "I am afraid and therefore unquestioningly obedient,” he would not be nearly as indifferent to its semantics, even though the statement would reflect the truth. The greengrocer would be embarrassed and ashamed to put such an unequivocal statement of his own degradation in the shop window, and quite naturally so, for he is a human being and thus has a sense of his own dignity. To overcome this complication, his expression of loyalty must take the form of a sign which, at least on its textual surface, indicates a level of disinterested conviction. It must allow the greengrocer to say, "What's wrong with the workers of the world uniting?" Thus the sign helps the greengrocer to conceal from himself the low foundations of his obedience, at the same time concealing the low foundations of power. It hides them behind the facade of something high. And that something is ideology.<

http://www.vaclavhavel.cz/showtrans.php?cat=eseje&val=2_aj_eseje.html&typ=HTML

Anonymous Sam J. October 02, 2016 11:37 PM  

My favorite conspiracy theory graphic

http://ielts-yasi.englishlab.net/The_Man_and_the_dog_are_working_together.jpg

Blogger D. October 02, 2016 11:42 PM  

more sounds of the '70's

Talking Heads - Talking Heads: 77 [Full Album]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2y77QjFnuk

Blogger Harold October 02, 2016 11:54 PM  

jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 10:41 PM
Harold, you are a papist idjit of the first degree. What part of Protestant don't you get ?


I was reciting history. All organized Protestant Churches have a direct line of descent of their clergy to the Roman Catholic Church. In 1534 the Anglicans separated from Rome, but the clergy had all been ordained by the Roman Catholic Church, and all the clergy since by Anglican bishops in an unbroken line. Methodists, Salvation Army, Wesleyans, Quakers, and other denominations broke from the Church of England, but their clergy had been ordained by Anglican bishops, and their clergy of today can trace an unbroken line back to the Roman Catholic Church. In 1521 the Edict of Worms was responsible for the separation of Lutherans from the Roman Catholic Church, but all the Lutheran Clergy had been ordained by Rome, and the unbroken line of ordination extends to today. Amish are a little different. They arose from the Anabaptists, who started from the Roman Catholic Church in 1525 or so. There isn't an unbroken line of clergy, but the Amish communities exist in an unbroken line from the Amish communities of 1693, establishing their lineage from Rome.

Virtually all, if not all, Christian denominations can trace a line back to the Roman Church. That's just the way it is. The ones that can't are generally regarded as sects.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 02, 2016 11:56 PM  

"Did Christ found a Church? Certainly."
Yes he did . Show me the verse where he said it was the Roman Catholic church.

Blogger Tom Kratman October 02, 2016 11:58 PM  

"Thus we had a Civil War."

The searing power of your logic once again leaves the rest of us in awe. For certain values of awe. Especially the value that says, "This moron should have been euthanized as a baby."

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 03, 2016 12:00 AM  

" All organized Protestant Churches have a direct line of descent of their clergy to the Roman Catholic Church."
So I guess the Greek and Russian Orthodox, et al. don't count amiririte ?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 03, 2016 12:05 AM  

"This moron should have been euthanized as a baby."
Bless ya Tommy boy. The same could be said of your sloppy yankee ass, but I'll pass.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 03, 2016 12:10 AM  

John Regan wrote:Jakarta, the largest city of Indonesia, is over 90% muslim yet produces this, which at this point probably cannot be found in most cities in the west:

SNIP Nice Music

Doesn't this provide some anecdotal support for Mr. Wright's position?


Nope. Copies and nicely, does not produce. Indonesians music is actually pretty interesting but nothing like Western Classical

Sharrukin wrote:152. Wyrd

LOL

Blue Box veteran myself.


Holmes Blue Book here. if you haven't tried it the new edition, #5 is excellent.

Blogger Fenris Wulf October 03, 2016 12:14 AM  

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Anonymous JAG October 03, 2016 12:19 AM  

Wyrd wrote:Ancient Judaism plus Classical Greece plus European Huwhites equals The West? If so, cool.

I would say it is ancient Sumerian instead of ancient Judaism. Genesis is Sumerian up until Noah steps off the the Ark. It's Hebrew from there.

Blogger D. October 03, 2016 12:21 AM  

havel

>VII



LET US now imagine that one day something in our greengrocer snaps and he stops putting up the slogans merely to ingratiate himself. He stops voting in elections he knows are a farce. He begins to say what he really thinks at political meetings. And he even finds the strength in himself to express solidarity with those whom his conscience commands him to support. In this revolt the greengrocer steps out of living within the lie. He rejects the ritual and breaks the rules of the game. He discovers once more his suppressed identity and dignity. He gives his freedom a concrete significance. His revolt is an attempt to live within the truth.

The bill is not long in coming. He will be relieved of his post as manager of the shop and transferred to the warehouse. His pay will be reduced. His hopes for a holiday in Bulgaria will evaporate. His children's access to higher education will be threatened. His superiors will harass him and his fellow workers will wonder about him. Most of those who apply these sanctions, however, will not do so from any authentic inner conviction but simply under pressure from conditions, the same conditions that once pressured the greengrocer to display the official slogans. They will persecute the greengrocer either because it is expected of them, or to demonstrate their loyalty, or simply as part of the general panorama, to which belongs an awareness that this is how situations of this sort are dealt with, that this, in fact, is how things are always done, particularly if one is not to become suspect oneself. The executors, therefore, behave essentially like everyone else, to a greater or lesser degree: as components of the post-totalitarian system, as agents of its automatism, as petty instruments of the social auto-totality.<

Blogger Bosefus October 03, 2016 12:37 AM  

I think you're all cracked... but promise me an office of something and me and the mrs will be your Sancho Panzas.

Anonymous SciVo October 03, 2016 12:37 AM  

I talk to people in real life, and we doubt that your 2033 is going to be right. We feel an urgency to get things together ASAP, making beer brewing and 3d printing and other stuff. Maybe it's just emotional, and I appreciate your objectivity, but that's what we feel.

Blogger Groot October 03, 2016 12:54 AM  

John Wright wrote:@57
"If I believe the coming race war was engineered by Leftists and Mohammedans rather than by genes, and I believe Mohammedanism is a religion rather than a race, and I believe Leftist is an ideological substitute for religion rather than a race, if, in fact, whether or no I believe genes control testosterone level or intelligence level, I do not believe genes determine Mohammedanism or Leftism, then a call the causes of the coming race war spiritual (based on religious belief) not genetic (not caused by genes)."


John, you are a wonderful writer, and (but? heroically?) a complex prosist. They simply didn't understand you. They caught the ball with their face. In reading some of their responses, that was obvious and completely unsurprising, therefore slightly funny. As Larry C. says, most "skim until offended."

The quote above was a single sentence. It was a reverse 2½ somersaults with 2½ twists in pike position, with a couple of crucial words elided to boot, in a sport where degree of difficulty counts against you. Two words for comments on blog posts: shorter sentences.

Anonymous Camilla Cameo October 03, 2016 12:55 AM  

I am relieved of my concerns by the humble, truth-loving graciousness of the Dark Lord.

And we seem to getting a bit of a debate, too.

Blogger Bosefus October 03, 2016 12:58 AM  

Dang, let's get this show on the road... I'll be you simple man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHQ_aTjXObs

Blogger Bosefus October 03, 2016 1:06 AM  

weet weet wooo!!! these white songs rock!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIWDmmqZzY

Blogger Bosefus October 03, 2016 1:19 AM  

I heard Neil put her down...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GxWmSVv-cY

Does your conscious bother you?

Blogger Tom Kratman October 03, 2016 1:23 AM  

"I do not believe genes determine Mohammedanism or Leftism."

Islamism, no, but I rather suspect that genes _do_ control leftism, albeit perhaps not so completely that one can't overcome them, as Jonathan Haidt has largely done. Jefferson noted it - and I think John Adams did, too - that everyone's born a Whig or a Tory. That's probably too doctrinaire; there are such things as middle of the roaders, after all, but the principle is largely valid. The principle? That most men, at least, are born to what they're going to be, in philosophy and values.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY October 03, 2016 1:28 AM  


"The searing power of your logic once again leaves the rest of us in awe."
Your new englander idiocy leaves no one in doubt of you fucks self destuctive behavior, Tommy boy. The sad part about you and your kind you would love to drag the rest of of us into the deepest pit of hell you yankee fucks inhabit so you don't feel lonely there.
Fucki offi, idiota.

Blogger Noah B October 03, 2016 1:28 AM  

While I like the meme, those are clearly well cared-for hens kept for egg production. From the looks of the hutch, I would also guess they belong to someone who's never killed & butchered anything.

That light fixture in a chicken coop FFS.

Blogger Bosefus October 03, 2016 1:28 AM  

darkness is upon you... the Dark Lord doth sayeth...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hib4n9RmFrQ

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