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Friday, October 07, 2016

The broken freaks of fandom

They really are mentally ill, self-hating nutcases. I've said for years that the SJWs of science fiction are a vast collection of human wreckage. That's why their parasitical books are so dreadful, devoid of all beauty, joy, truth, and love, and from a literary perspective, amount to little more than fingerpainting in fecal matter. They are morally blind, mentally weak societal cancers. One would pity them if only they did not attempt to recreate the world in their ugly, soul-shattered image.

They have many reasons to dislike me, but they main reason they hate and fear me is because, in my self-assurance, I remind them of the bullies who scarred them for life. And here is the conclusive proof that I was right: 100+ Sci-Fi & Fantasy Authors Blog About Suicide, Depression, PTSD—a #HoldOnToTheLight Update by Gail Z. Martin
  • My wife, doctor, and I developed a scale of rage from 1 to 10, 1 being “everything’s cool” to 10 being “I am out of control and breaking shit in the house, car, and my body.” It’s been…let’s see…maybe a few months since I had no-holds-barred Level 10 outburst. But I come close every week or two. I probably reach an 8 once every ten days. But that’s down from a 10 every other week or so. I hate me more than any ten, a hundred, or a thousand people on earth combined could ever hope to. (Even more than Kirkus and Goodreads reviewers, if such a thing be possible!) That’s my legacy. 
  • I’ve dealt with depression and lingering self-doubt for much of my life, because of that long-ago bullying. Which gives me great compassion for those who are different or who feel like outsiders. And though I won’t name names, because it is not my story to tell – I can assure them that many of the writers and artists I’m friendly with have experienced either bullying, depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, or a combination of those things.
  • I grew up believing that I was not going to survive to adulthood. My parents were into doomsday politics and apocalyptic religion, so whether it was Soviet nukes or Armageddon, we were all going down in flames. Everyone around me—extended family and religious social group—echoed the same fears and beliefs. I was pleasantly surprised to still be alive at age 12, but I didn’t figure it would last. That’s the year I discovered Star Trek (original series) and read my first science fiction book (Destination: Universe by A.E. VanVogt). I still remember the moment when it hit me that other people saw the possibility of a completely different future than the fire and blood I’d been raised to expect. Cataclysmic destruction was not inevitable. I remember lying in the grass in my back yard, book open, tears running down my face when I realized I actually might live long enough to grow up.
Now, some of these people experienced genuine abuse. Most, however, experienced nothing worse than the usual societal disapproval for being weird little kids who couldn't bother to abide by childhood social norms of behavior, conversation, and hygiene. But regardless, the ironic thing is that by wallowing incessantly in their "oh, poor me, I am so broken and depressed and suicidal" nonsense, they only cement their unhappy fate. Virtually none of them experienced the significant life challenges that Ivan Throne did. Very few of them were likely bullied as relentlessly as I was in my first three years of school, being younger, smarter, more athletic, and considerably smaller than everyone in my elementary school class.

I may, admittedly, have been a little arrogant in failing to conceal my intelligence, my athletic ability, or my interests.

(I couldn't figure out why John Scalzi was such a broken little creature, given that he wasn't particularly fat or ugly, and how he was handed educational opportunities of the sort one seldom sees outside of rich families sending their children to boarding schools, until I learned he'd spent a whole school year in a wheelchair hanging out with the school nurse during recess as the result of an accident. That's where he learned to rely on snark and pretense as a means of psychological self-defense. An unsound body, when combined with a lack of honesty and courage, often produces a withered soul and an unsound mind.)

There is one, and only one, difference in the choice that these pathetic husks of human beings made, and the choice that men like Ivan and I made, when we were children under psychological pressure. We fought back. We never ran from reality. We never broke. We refused to accept our externally imposed fates, we also refused to pretend things were other than they were, and by doing so, we not only changed our fates, we changed who we were. They cringed, they cowered, they ran, and they have never stopped running.

About seven years after graduating from high school, I ran into the one boy who was smaller than I was in junior high in a weight room, a smart kid who also liked to write. We were doubles partners on the JV tennis team in ninth grade. He was still only 5'7" but was 200 pounds of solid, barrel-chested muscle, and it turned out that he was the reigning state powerlifting champion. I'd added 40 pounds of muscle myself and was a ripped, skin-headed martial artist. We looked at each other and both burst out laughing. "You think we overcompensated a little?" were his first words to me.

The SF-SJWs genuinely can't understand why their collective disapproval means absolutely nothing to me. They are confused and befuddled when a failure or a rejection fails to dissuade me from looking for another way forward. They can't figure out why I get up and go back into the fray after I am knocked down. And that tells you everything you need to know, not about me, but about them. They cannot even imagine a scenario where you don't curl up and die because someone doesn't like you. They call me "the most despised man in science fiction", but remember the Third Law of SJW: SJWs always project.

The reason the sad sacks of science fiction despise themselves is not because they have post-traumatic stress disorder or chemical imbalances in their brain or a crippling lack of god-belief. In most cases, those are consequences, not causes. They hate themselves because, knowingly or unknowingly, they harbor contempt for the child they once were. Their works are an endless and futile attempt to replay their childhoods to produce a different outcome.

And instead of humbling themselves, admitting that they are weak, fat, inferior, mentally ill cowards, and taking action to stop being those things, they band together and collectively proclaim that black is white, weak is strong, evil is good, and ugliness is beauty. The light onto which they're holding is Luciferian, and nothing positive will come of their competition to be the most broken, the most abused, the saddest and least-deserving victim of them all.

"You're not alone!" they cry. But you are. Everyone is. There comes a critical point in every man's life when he faces the choice to accept reality and deal with it or deny it and enter a parallel world of self-centered delusion. You know what choice you made then, and you know why.

UPDATE: A reader comments: "My husband had a horrendous childhood. Beatings, starvation, severe neglect, homeless and living on the streets at age eight. He is a very high achiever, the strongest man I know, very happy, and successful. Why? He is a FIGHTER. A bad childhood is not a life sentence to misery."

In fairness, I know who her husband is and to call him a "fighter" is akin to calling the Joker a guy with a few psychological issues. I like him, and he's a good man, but on a "don't mess with this guy" scale ranging from 1 to 10, his rank is "Vladimir Putin having a bad day".

Childhood adversity will make you weaker or it will make you stronger. The choice is yours.

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165 Comments:

Blogger wreckage October 07, 2016 11:15 AM  

When you have kids, you learn to love all the things you thought you hated about the child you once were. It forces you to get over yourself, when you look at a tiny version of yourself, and your choices are:

1. deal with it right now, or
2. hate your kid

I suppose I just assume a person needs to spend their life steering for what's right, noble, dutiful and honourable.

Blogger flyingtiger October 07, 2016 11:19 AM  

Are you sure the SJWs were the school bullies, not the ones being bullied. The ones I would label as bullies in HS all had careers in the education racket.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 07, 2016 11:20 AM  

Some babies die due to "failure to thrive."

Some adults fade due to "failure to deal."

Blogger Jose October 07, 2016 11:21 AM  

As Nassim Nicholas Taleb said on his piece about intellectuals but idiots (which you could add poseurs to), the simple test for these people is "they don't deadlift" In other words, they can't do anything that takes grind, tolerance for pain, and has external validity (non-negotiable or arguable).

Blogger pdwalker October 07, 2016 11:25 AM  

Your first paragraph was nicely written. For a moment, I thought it was penned by Mr Wright.

Anonymous Viidad October 07, 2016 11:36 AM  

Very good. There is a time to look to others for analysis of where you may be weak... and there is a time to throw out what others say. Always looking for external validation is a trap. All you deserve is hell, anyhow. Any day you're not there is looking up.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 11:38 AM  

Are you sure the SJWs were the school bullies, not the ones being bullied. The ones I would label as bullies in HS all had careers in the education racket.

You have it backwards. They were being bullied. And they've never gotten over it.

Blogger Amy October 07, 2016 11:39 AM  

The wallowing is an insult to people with anxiety who nevertheless get up and get on, and do what they can, and must, to maintain a healthy life and relationships.

It is this weakness of character that makes them write such weak characters. Writing can be therapeutic, but therapy doesn't work if you regurgitate the issue without surcease. And they're determined to bring us all onto the couch with them, live all there woes, in the hopes of getting a "poor you!" rather than any real healing.

Anonymous Bowman October 07, 2016 11:39 AM  

And that race to the bottom is called leftism

Blogger Myles October 07, 2016 11:41 AM  

@VD,

Very well written, it's a shame the people who need this the most probably won't ever read it. EvolutionistX (an NRx blogger) maintains that bullying is primarily a status-attaining and -enforcement mechanism. It seems like you hold that that's part of the equation, but do you think there are other components to bullying?

@5 Shots fired!

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/supa-hot-fire.gif

Blogger Happy Housewife October 07, 2016 11:41 AM  

"An unsound body, when combined with a lack of honesty and courage, often produces a withered soul and an unsound mind"

My grandfather fell in a hole and broke his back when he was a child. Spent almost a year laying on a board; was told he'd never walk again. Not only did he walk again, he fought in WW2. Spent his life inventing, writing, studying the Word, and loving his family. A former governor spoke at his funeral and the thing that struck him the most about my grandfather was his devotion to faith in the face of almost constant adversity. That he stood tall and held his head high.

There is always a choice. And if you choose to wallow in mud, don't expect to be taken seriously by those who choose to look to the heavens.

Anonymous Archie Bunker October 07, 2016 11:49 AM  

Wife (SJW family, still orbiting) decided she was unnhhaappyyy. Therapy needed to save the marriage. ( I was fine, but whatever.)

(((Therapist))), 300lbs, mullet cut, all self-approbation and lefty snark. Called me a bully, one
day.

Nice to know I triggered his childhood memories....

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 07, 2016 11:53 AM  

Take a look at the films of Tim Burton and you get a good idea of the mindset they live in.

First of all everyone is white. So lets get that out of the way.

There is an air of passive aggressive, pointless rebellion and resentment against the mundane people of the world. The protagonist is always an outcast with a unique viewpoint and special gift of some kind.

They are always physically weak. They aren't going to bare knuckle their way out of a fight. Batman being a notable exception.

The villains tend toward an exaggerated grotesque of the mundane people.

The plot resolutions tend toward the Deus ex Machine but are never the real climax of the story anyway.

The Climax is usually the hero/heroine deciding to find the courage to wave his/her freak flag high and not care about what anyone else thinks of him/her.

No wonder they always love his stuff.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 11:56 AM  

It seems like you hold that that's part of the equation, but do you think there are other components to bullying?

Certainly. Some people are simply cruel. Some people are sadists. Some people are sociopaths. There are many reasons that people bully. But the main problem is status-jockeying. Hollywood notwithstanding, it's seldom the beautiful or popular people who are the problem. It's usually those who are barely hanging on to the acceptable crowd, who are determined to make it clear that they are NOT among the rejects.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 11:57 AM  

Take a look at the films of Tim Burton and you get a good idea of the mindset they live in.

I instinctively loathed his films from the start. What a social cripple.

Anonymous User October 07, 2016 11:58 AM  

An added irony is that thanks to their broken patterns of conversation and behavior, bullying remains the only efficacious means of dealing with them.

Blogger Verne October 07, 2016 12:02 PM  

The bullied so often want to project the bullies of their youth as having the same weaknesses they did. They make them out to be insecure, unintelligent, overcompensating cowards. When have you even seen a fictional bully who was truly confident and smart? But confident and having above average social intelligence is what they tend to really be like. Too many people are still living their high school years. With the SJW's they are still trying to get the revenge they never could get back in high school.

Anonymous Oye October 07, 2016 12:04 PM  

@15

"get a good idea of the mindset they live in"

Do you have a word for it (the mindset)? Something that captures it perfectly.

Blogger Chiva October 07, 2016 12:06 PM  

They hate themselves because, knowingly or unknowingly, they harbor contempt for the child they once were.

I pity the people who do this. There is healing and wholeness within their grasp.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 07, 2016 12:07 PM  

•I’ve dealt with depression and lingering self-doubt for much of my life...

Actually, that statement is false. He's perhaps had depression and self-doubt much of his life, but he hasn't dealt with it. Lots of people have bouts of depression - hypomania, Churchill's Black Dog, feelin' a little down today - whatever you want to call it.

Y'know how you deal with it? You go accomplish something. Almost anything will do, really. Completing a good workout is a great way to get yourself out of a funk, and it doesn't take any skill at all. It just takes willpower. Strength doesn't even matter - lift as much as you can, you'll feel better about yourself when you're done.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 07, 2016 12:08 PM  

I don't know, Verne, most bullying comes from dumbasses proving they aren't numbnuts, like the numbnuts they've got crammed into his own locker. The smart, pretty and confident people are too focused on the next rung up in the social ladder to worry about the impotent tardpile below. Bullies and victims just don't factor in. The only one of either group that might get noticed is the one who pulls his head out and starts climbing instead of "punching up by punching down."

Blogger wreckage October 07, 2016 12:08 PM  

Huh. Most of the outright childhood bullies I knew were disasters of human beings. Later in life the field gets culled to people who can get away with it, but generally even they, "high social intelligence" or not, tend to be intellectually and in productive terms, pretty useless.

Bullies tend to be confident? Source?

Anonymous deplorable six pan October 07, 2016 12:11 PM  

"Always seek the approval of others. It makes the emptiness inside you bigger, so it can hold more approval."

Anonymous WinstonWebb October 07, 2016 12:12 PM  

(((Therapist))), 300lbs, mullet cut, all self-approbation and lefty snark. Called me a bully, one day.
Why would you go to a bull dyke for relationship advice?

Blogger Verne October 07, 2016 12:13 PM  

VD wrote:Take a look at the films of Tim Burton and you get a good idea of the mindset they live in.

I instinctively loathed his films from the start. What a social cripple.


I met Tim Burton when I was in High School. We were somewhat friendly. He actually had a good life socially by the time he was 18. He was frinds with the McEveety's of Disney fame. In that part of town that was pretty high up the social ladder. They put on good parties and that is where I met him. That group was sexually more than a bit screwed up. The adults seemed to like the kids much to much. But now I am speaking gossip

Blogger Doom October 07, 2016 12:14 PM  

I was there, in some ways, not so long ago. I simply never believed in that way, and kept trying. When they figured out it wasn't depression, but a really bad heart (replacement level) and started treating it, I have improved. I'm still at replacement level, if 5% better. And I still think people who let the world break them suck dick. Wait, sometimes literally. Disgusting. Just because I can't always stand doesn't mean I will kneel. Fuck them and that. I have zero sympathy for most of the self-made maggots.

Anonymous daddynichol October 07, 2016 12:14 PM  

She writes:

"We’ve also been talking with conventions to encourage them to add, expand or promote their panel programming about mental wellness issues."

Is it a mental health convention or sci-fi convention? Make up your mind. She and her comrades are too stupid and self absorbed to even notice how such demands are destroying her industry in general and themselves specifically.

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 07, 2016 12:15 PM  

How important would you say physical accomplishment of some kind is in developing a healthy personality? Obviously, there are some people with real disabilities hampering this. Obviously, there are some people who manage to be sane and whole without this kind of training and outlet, but in general, how important is this?

Anonymous Name/URL October 07, 2016 12:15 PM  

Like clockwork, Scalzi makes a pn announcement and Vox lashes out.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 07, 2016 12:15 PM  

Related: All of the Star Trek cast from all time have signed on to an opposition letter to President Trump. "Trek Against Trump" or as normal people call it "Redshirt Retardation."

Exceptions: Nimoy (dead), Shatner, Doohan (dead), and the other dead ones. But hey, there's the unforgettable Wil Wheaton and Herman Zimmerman, whom I don't think is the guy that shot Trayvon to death.

Anonymous deplorable six pan October 07, 2016 12:15 PM  

If I were you, I'd'a told her to stifle herself.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 07, 2016 12:19 PM  

News for Gail Martin and her band of white rejects, billions upon billions of people of color don't give a shit about them, and normal "deplorables" like me are rapidly approaching the zero fucks given about you either.

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 07, 2016 12:19 PM  

I thought #AlwaysKeepFighting was the Worldcon Business Meeting motto.

Anonymous JI October 07, 2016 12:25 PM  

Wow, this one's a gem, clearly articulating things I've known all along but never put into clear language. It's going into my collection of Vox classics. Vlassics? Maybe Castalia could compile a collection of the best of Vox from this blog and elsewhere.

Anonymous ZhukovG October 07, 2016 12:27 PM  

So is ones Socio-Sexual status established in childhood? Adolescence? With subsequent changes in 'effective status' being self developed?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 07, 2016 12:28 PM  

Wil Wheaton white reject and proud of it. Maybe SJW doesn't do them justice.

Blogger SouthRon October 07, 2016 12:30 PM  

Verne, it's not gossip. It's Hollywood.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 12:32 PM  

Like clockwork, Scalzi makes a pn announcement and Vox lashes out.

Oh, you haven't seen anything yet.

Anonymous daddynichol October 07, 2016 12:35 PM  

"Bullies tend to be confident?"

Geeze. It took all of thirty seconds to find this summary. Right up front:

Kansas Department of Education

Once you get past the typical bully search results complied by social justice crap publications or magazines, there are several sites with studies, many which state that most bullies are often smart, know how to read social cues and have an air of confidence.

It also comes down as to how a person defines a bully. For social justice warriors it's often, "They didn't include me in their social circle just because I was obnoxious and worked hard to look like a complete dork."

Anonymous Jack Amok October 07, 2016 12:42 PM  

How important would you say physical accomplishment of some kind is in developing a healthy personality?

It's a lot harder to fake physical accomplishment. At the risk of crossing threads, look at the one on Abstract Expressionism. A whole lot of fake accomplishment going on there. If I was an abstract artist, I might harbor some self-doubts about how accomplished I really was.

On the other hand, if you finish a 10k run, or climb a mountain, or hike 50 miles through the wilderness, or add 10 lbs to your bench press, not much doubt that you actually did it.

Anonymous Oye October 07, 2016 12:48 PM  

"They hate themselves because, knowingly or unknowingly, they harbor contempt for the child they once were."

In the Islamic interpretation, a creature that hates itself and changes form because it hates itself is a reptile.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 07, 2016 12:48 PM  

So is ones Socio-Sexual status established in childhood? Adolescence? With subsequent changes in 'effective status' being self developed?

@35 ZhukovG
If I had to guess, it could either develop in childhood, or between the ages of 15 and 30-35 or so. IOW, some men are naturally at their adult rank from birth whereas others have to mature into it or be taught. Gamma and Omega are the two defective, immature ranks, but once a man is past 35, he's probably set in stone... you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

(I also suspect that it's possible to be a natural who gets stifled and brainwashed by the public education system, and that there's a lot of that happening nowadays, especially since most schoolteachers are fat Democrat women.)

Blogger Bard October 07, 2016 12:50 PM  

That was pretty epic

Blogger James Dixon October 07, 2016 12:52 PM  

> I may, admittedly, have been a little arrogant in failing to conceal my intelligence, my athletic ability, or my interests.

You think? :)

But yeah, the level varies, but the diagnosis seems to be accurate.

The worst thing is, by every measure in my life I should be one of them. I also was the small, smart, nearsighted kid in school. I also retreated to the F&SF realms for a place to belong. I also was routinely picked on. The only thing different seems to be that I always fought back. Yeah, I lost those fights as often as I won, but that seems to have made all the difference.

Blogger Brian S October 07, 2016 12:56 PM  

the victim mindset has become their identity. The problem is these people have found themselves in power positions and are using it promote western civ suicide

Blogger Sillon Bono October 07, 2016 12:57 PM  

>> And instead of humbling themselves, admitting that they are weak, fat, inferior, mentally ill cowards, and taking action to stop being those things...

In a word, they refuse to MAN UP!

Some people for some reason overthink life and refuse to accept reality. I was extensively bullied until I was 13 both in the streets and at school, I grew a skin and dealt with it, including getting in fights that I couldn't always win.

But hell, what the fuck does one solve crying or getting depressed.

Anonymous a_peraspera October 07, 2016 1:01 PM  

I'm not normally the kind of person who says "Wow just wow," but you faggots are getting me pretty close to it.

I've never seen a group of people who admires bullies because they are confident, and also blames the bullies' victims for being bullied.

A dumb-as a stump negro criminal who shoots a guy for stepping on his shoe probably swaggers around with a lot of confidence too. I guess you admire him?

After all if the guy who got shot complains, that means he's "gamma" and just jealous of the criminal's confidence and ladykilling charisma.

Yeah, yeah inb4 you start up the "We don't care" train.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 07, 2016 1:01 PM  

Two comments:
1. People who obsess about how they are perceived by others seem to be damaged in some way (IMO.) These clots whine and carp and cry...but it's all for public consumption. Endless public navel-gazing on Social Media must be their be-all & end-all.

2. Today's obsession with anti-bullying and "don't you judge others" is creating a generation of kids who are forced to tolerate the intolerable (e.g., classmates that literally crap themselves or puke on themselves, then just Sit In It, or classmates that scream at the very top of their lungs if they don't get their way...I'm talking about 9 & 10 year olds here.)

I wonder what the backlash will look like when this cohort of "Doctorate in Ed lab rats" reaches majority.

Weakness is elevated to a sacrament nowadays. People spend hours each day thinking about how damaged, weak or useless they are, and sharing it with the world, because it's so avante garde to do so.

Methinks they'll be the first to off themselves when the illusion of unlimited resources ends. They might actually trend-set suicide if Trump is elected.

Blogger S1AL October 07, 2016 1:03 PM  

--"Do you have a word for it (the mindset)? Something that captures it perfectly."--

I'm a fan of "the perpetually aggrieved" - people who define themselves based on what was done to them, perpetually victimized because they refuse change.

Blogger Chris Bender October 07, 2016 1:04 PM  

I've just discovered your writing over the past few months, and I find your thoughts resonate with my own. Now I sort of understand why. Your childhood sounds very similar to my own. I was born in '71, grew up in MN, and was a 5'4" geek. However, I did not have the benefit of any athletic ability whatsoever. Definitely an environment for building STRONG MINDS.

Blogger Joe Keenan October 07, 2016 1:05 PM  

The order of The City is the order of The Soul writ large St Augustine Another way of saying the same thing is, screwed up people create a screwed up society, while correctly ordered people create a correctly ordered society. So far, so good. However, screwed up people work really hard to believe they are not screwed up, and they thus despise anyone who points out the shortcomings in their society; you are then after all pointing out their own short comings. Their failure. You destroy their illusion(s).

Blogger Basil Makedon October 07, 2016 1:05 PM  

Everyone is the bully at some point, everyone is the bullied at some point. Eventually, you realize that tearing people down is a waste of time and that you shouldn't care what most people think of you.

I don't know everyone's life story, but it does seem to be that SJWs are among the once bullied and who simply can't get past it.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 07, 2016 1:07 PM  

at the risk of feeding the troll, it's standing up to bullies that is celebrated. I was the big kid who little a-holes used as a punching bag to gain social status, that is until I hoisted one by his neck and dangled him off the ground in the 7th grade boy's restroom. When passivity attracted trouble, I learned to be aggressive (not abusive). I learned that weakness invites predation. What lessons did you, a_peraspera, learn in adolescence?

Real people deal with bullying or any other obstacles. They don't whine about it for the rest of their lives.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 1:11 PM  

I've never seen a group of people who admires bullies because they are confident, and also blames the bullies' victims for being bullied.

Most people who are bullied deserve it in some way. But I'm not blaming them for being bullied, I'm blaming them for their REACTION to being bullied.

A dumb-as a stump negro criminal who shoots a guy for stepping on his shoe probably swaggers around with a lot of confidence too. I guess you admire him?

It's ironic. First, idiots like you say I'm a white supremacist. Then you say I admire low-IQ Negro thugs. Neither is true.

LOL, you've been saying that for a long time. Yet another pattern!

Bye, Obvious.

Blogger James Dixon October 07, 2016 1:11 PM  

> I've never seen a group of people who admires bullies because they are confident

Where has anyone here said they admire bullies?

> Today's obsession with anti-bullying and "don't you judge others"

I've gotten very tired of the comparison of verbal taunts to bullying. If I ever hear someone calling verbal insults bullying in my presence, I'm very likely to offer to allow them to verbally insult me for 10 minutes in exchange for my hitting them for 5 minutes.

Blogger The Bechtloff October 07, 2016 1:12 PM  

"I experienced bullying as a kid". Oh boo fucking hoo. Most people got bullied as some point, and most of us got the hell over it.

Anonymous Avalanche October 07, 2016 1:14 PM  

@34 "collection of Vox classics. Vlassics? Maybe Castalia could compile a collection of the best of Vox from this blog and elsewhere."

Over on Gab.ai, we've started a discussion of the future "Vox's Little (Black?) Book of Quotations" -- so we can wave it over our heads at Trump rallies... or wherever! Maybe a wiki: cause it's gonna be YUUUUUUGE!

OpenID lostsailor32 October 07, 2016 1:15 PM  

Reading the names on the list of the SF/Fantasy "writers" I recognized only one, whose books I don't read anyway. Who the hell are these people, and why should anyone care?

There is one, and only one, difference in the choice that these pathetic husks of human beings made, and the choice that men like Ivan and I made, when we were children under psychological pressure. We fought back.

Yup. This. I had one particular nemesis in elementary school but always fought back, if not entirely effectively until I grew a bit. Then in 6th grade, on a school trip, this nemesis kept sitting next to me on the bus to harass me, until I planted my elbow with all the force I could muster into his crotch. Strangely he, nor any of his friends or anyone else, ever bothered me again.

It's the ONLY way to deal with bullies.

Blogger Verne October 07, 2016 1:18 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:I don't know, Verne, most bullying comes from dumbasses proving they aren't numbnuts, like the numbnuts they've got crammed into his own locker. The smart, pretty and confident people are too focused on the next rung up in the social ladder to worry about the impotent tardpile below. Bullies and victims just don't factor in. The only one of either group that might get noticed is the one who pulls his head out and starts climbing instead of "punching up by punching down."

I found that most bullies grew up, they are not the same at 18 years old as they were at 14. And being a jerk does not mean they are dumb. I remember them better than most I think. Because because I grew up as fast as they did. The only ones that ever bothered me much were the female versions of them. The girls were cruel. I was a undefeated 5:10 wrestler in the 155 lbs weight class at 13 years old. And verbally gifted. I went toe to toe with a couple of them. They were well spoken and not afraid of me, even though they should have been. They actually were tougher than most for their age. Their defining feature was the ability to convince everyone they were right. They could out talk most. They owned the teachers and had a lot of friends. In the fictional world you are a hero for kicking one of their butts. In the real world you just made a lot of enemies and are probably going to be suspended by a teacher.

Anonymous Jill October 07, 2016 1:22 PM  

I think you're overlooking their fundamental lack of parental approbation. You need a foundation before you can build anything. Faith in Christ can fill that need, but they actively reject it.

Anonymous Helton Strom October 07, 2016 1:29 PM  

@59 - THIS. Most physical bullies are easily caught and actively gone after by the teachers. That's the boys. The psych-bullies are the girls, and most of them walk, leaving a trail of wreckage behind them, all while smiling sweetly and having most people thinking they are nice. eh, not so much.

Anonymous Athor Pel October 07, 2016 1:30 PM  

"40. Anonymous Jack Amok October 07, 2016 12:42 PM
... if you finish a 10k run, or climb a mountain, or hike 50 miles through the wilderness, or add 10 lbs to your bench press, not much doubt that you actually did it.
"


To paraphrase Henry Rollins. The iron doesn't lie to you.
_______________



"53. Blogger dc.sunsets October 07, 2016 1:07 PM
...
it's standing up to bullies that is celebrated. I was the big kid who little a-holes used as a punching bag to gain social status, that is until I hoisted one by his neck and dangled him off the ground in the 7th grade boy's restroom. When passivity attracted trouble, I learned to be aggressive (not abusive). I learned that weakness invites predation.
...
"


Same here.

They got me angry. I chased them down. Caught them. Then beat on them until they got the message. I hated having to do it but it worked. None of them ever did it again.

Real pain sharpens and speeds the apprehension of reality.

Anonymous Sam the Man October 07, 2016 1:31 PM  

Interesting article.

What I get out of it is the SJW are essentially the folks who either never had to face adversity and are afraid to face any, or the ones that faced adversity and lost or ran away when their test came. Yet all humans have a need to justify themselves. The result of being bulled and not facing the test of their early life is the creation of a false internal ideal of themselves combined with a victim status to explain why the world does reciprocate that desired image. That in turn leads to a mild sense of narcissism with paranoia, which in most folks I have observed makes them tend towards being passive-aggressive control freaks.

That would explain males. I would suspect with the female SJW is goes back to being fat, ugly or otherwise being a loser in the game of reproduction. Most of the bitter divorced single middle aged types fall in that category. Once again they become passive aggressive control freaks.

Anonymous Steve October 07, 2016 1:31 PM  

In high school, it was beside me every day when I walked alone to school and back. It sat next to my desk when my classmates chattered about the parties I wasn’t invited to. It paced the floor of my room when I lay awake, tortured by the crush I had on a boy but could not voice for fear of the ridicule I’d be subjected to. It curled up under my feet while I sat in the library, reading books that other girls would have thought too weird for them.

- Misty Massey, Tor-published authoress

Blogger Marie October 07, 2016 1:33 PM  

@Jill

I was just thinking "where were their parents?" My parents would put me to work if I was moping through my childhood.

"Oh you think your life is awful, well tell you want, I want all the windows in the house washed before dinnertime."

My father-in-law had a phrase my husband is going to use with our kids- "A strong Irish back is a terrible thing to waste."

Kids can get lost in their own heads, parents need to pull them out.

Anonymous Trimegistus October 07, 2016 1:37 PM  

Everyone's talking about "bullies" and "bullying" as if they mean Biff Tannen or Sluggo. You're all forgetting something: the bulk of neurotic SF fans are women. They weren't bullied by a bunch of early Ben Affleck characters, they were bullied by _girls_.

Girl bullying (among whites, anyway) doesn't involve wedgies or locker-stuffing; it's subtler, social/psychological. The "traumatized," broken adult fans were the borderline-aspergers girls in school, who knew they were losing at the game but couldn't understand the rules or how to play.

I think that's one reason they seem to attribute _everything_ to the villainous "patriarchy" or whatever: they're still trying to figure out the rules because they're still losing.

Blogger Thucydides October 07, 2016 1:38 PM  

Maybe we should spike the water supply with Lithium at the next WorldCon. At least it should ease some of the symptoms of clinical depression.....

Anonymous WinstonWebb October 07, 2016 1:49 PM  

Maybe we should spike the water supply with Lithium at the next WorldCon.

That'll never work.
Now, if you put it into free samples of Double Chocolate Fudge Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough Breyer's Ice Cream...

Blogger Marie October 07, 2016 1:51 PM  

@66

"Girl bullying (among whites, anyway) doesn't involve wedgies or locker-stuffing; it's subtler, social/psychological."

The rules are still the same. Don't run from the fight. Fight back.

You don't have to "win" against the Mean girls to get them to leave you alone. You just got to get a punch or two in.

You also have to learn how to not give them more power over you. If you want to be their friends but they've made it very clear they aren't going to accept you. Continuing to try without changing your method is going to turn you into their punching bag.

Most of the girls who are mentally- crippled as adults are the girls who just kept walking into the punches time and time again because they refused to change.

Anonymous Martine October 07, 2016 1:52 PM  

"Most, however, experienced nothing worse than the usual societal disapproval for being weird little kids who couldn't bother to abide by childhood social norms of behavior, conversation, and hygiene"

How many of these people did you know in their youth? None, right?

That makes you nothing more than a know nothing, anti social dick. If you ever wondered why it is you remain a C-list commentator, this explains it

Anonymous Sam the Man October 07, 2016 1:53 PM  

#66

very interesting but you might be right. Being a guy I kind of miss a lot of the female battles that go on under the surface. I also think that growing up in a time when civilized Christian/Jewish rules might have had more of an effect on folks would have prevented the worst of female bullying. Now with broken homes becoming, if not the norm, a significant part of the school population it might be a lot less civilized.

I will say I note that it seems to be much harder to buck trends in the female worldview than the male. All males have a inherent respect for the guy that says "here I stand and I shall not be moved", so a kind who walks to the beat of a different drummer can have self respect.

Females seem to have much more fear at being a social outcast and pay much more attention to that sort of thing. They are also much crueler in ganging up against the outcast, so so my wife and sister tell me, in comparison to what I recall of boyhood.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 07, 2016 2:05 PM  

It's a female-centric world now. That means dominance of the "state of nature," the "war of all against all" that is the female social structure distilled to its essence. Women each want the best man, and every other woman is an existential competitor.

I find it more than slightly ironic that most of these SJW-SF people are feminist women. It seems never to occur to them that the indignities they suffered as kids at the hands of the In-Group Girls was simply what you get in a highly feminized social milieu.

The Mean Girls might be reined in by their daddies...but that would be patriarchy (e-gads!) and we can't have that.

Just another case of fools being careless what they ask for.

Anonymous WinstonWebb October 07, 2016 2:06 PM  

"Most, however, experienced nothing worse than the usual societal disapproval for being weird little kids who couldn't bother to abide by childhood social norms of behavior, conversation, and hygiene"

How many of these people did you know in their youth? None, right?


Most of the writers in question are currently fat, obnoxious frumps. The odds that they were athletic, personable models of health and happiness as children is close to -0-.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 07, 2016 2:08 PM  

a_peraspera wrote:I'm not normally the kind of person who says "Wow just wow," but you faggots are getting me pretty close to it.

I've never seen a group of people who admires bullies because they are confident, and also blames the bullies' victims for being bullied.

A dumb-as a stump negro criminal who shoots a guy for stepping on his shoe probably swaggers around with a lot of confidence too. I guess you admire him?

After all if the guy who got shot complains, that means he's "gamma" and just jealous of the criminal's confidence and ladykilling charisma.


Bully Lives Matter.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 2:11 PM  

How many of these people did you know in their youth? None, right?

I read what they wrote about themselves. They were, by and large, the fat, weird kids who smelled bad.

You should probably see about getting that anti-depressant prescription refilled.

Blogger lowercaseb October 07, 2016 2:21 PM  

I hate to say it, but we need bullies. It sucks dealing with them, but they are necessary life experience. You are going to run into different forms of bullies throughout life and if you are coddled and protected from them as children you create people who expect to be coddled and protected all throughout life.

I know it taught me that sometimes you get bullied for no reason because they are a sadistic dick, but a lot of the time you are being ridiculed because we were not thinking before talking. The former is something you have to deal with, but the latter is a learning tool. Accept your faux pas and the ridicule with a good attitude and don't do it again.

...but if people did that we would never be witness to that Magnum Opus "Redshirts"

Blogger jaericho October 07, 2016 2:25 PM  

....and I almost spit out my drink all over my keyboard with those last paragraphs. Those were funny.

Anonymous Thaddeus October 07, 2016 2:27 PM  

It's not just these, ah, creators, for years many people have seen fandom as a "safe space"/"hugbox" and I've heard many minor variations on the sentiment that "people are fans because they’re damaged in some way". So you should never call somebody out when they behave like a goon, basically for it is a place where fans can shelter, protected from the harsh outside mundane world.

I’ve heard this sentiment before, and it really makes me mad. Because first off, it's untrue and this idea has been used over and over to excuse bad behavior, to tell dysfunctional people and obnoxious people and people who smell bad that it’s OK to not bathe and stink or scream and shout or behave like a tantrum-prone child, because they're fans, they're damaged in some way, they're special people who can’t be expected to follow the rules of civilized society, to behave like one of those lousy "mundanes" because you march to the beat of a different drummer.

But I've seen people use this as an excuse by people out to get themselves some free rides. Fandom is a special place for the damaged and people use this as a reason to never buy a con badge or pay their share of a hotel room or a meal, cheat others on commissioned works or promised services, never help clean up after a gathering, to explain why they don't have to wait in line like everybody else, who insist others worry about their special diets or their fear of streamers or balloons or plush animals. The people who are out for a free ride, the users, use this excuse and it gets picked up by others who take it to heart and behave accordingly and never try to improve themselves, wallow in their social-retardation.

The thing is there are people who are "damaged" everywhere and in the world of fandom too; people with learning disabilities, actual serious medical conditions and not self-diagnosed ones discovered after surfing the internet, people with limited mobility or missing limbs. Most of them are just making their way through life, like anybody else, going about their lives. And they manage to do it, somehow, without running around demanding special considerations, behaving like jackasses, demanding free passes because they're "damaged", they're "broken", because they were picked on in high school, etc.

The thing is that simply being a fan doesn’t make you special, which is something a lot of the "fandom is a smart and unique breed apart" types don't seem to understand. What media people choose to consume, to watch or read or play doesn't make anyone special, and sorry, getting picked on in school doesn’t make you special, it just means you're another person here on planet Earth.

This is the problem with all of these people who wanted fandom to be inclusive and welcoming and non-judgmental (except of course to people who espouse the wrong politics or other wrong-think), too many people don't want to call these badly behaving types out, they don't want to be like their parents or bosses or those kids in high school who didn't "get" them, etc. These people see fandom as a special tribe and they close ranks when they feel thier special tribe is threatened. And that's BS. Fandom isn't a special tribe, it's people who share an interest. Get over yourselves, Fandom.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 07, 2016 2:31 PM  

72 spot on

Blogger Latigo3 October 07, 2016 2:32 PM  

We all have a choice. I grew up in a household where I was physically and verbally abused. Guess what? At a certain time you have to decide if you are going to fight or crawl up into a ball. Somehow I became more of a fighter, became a born-again Christian and began to live a new life.
Problems and situations come to us all. The question we all must answer is when we are faced with those problems, will we work to conquer them or will we be conquered? Life is not fair, it is up to us to make something better of it and stop crying out "no fair"! People nowadays need to learn to suck it up.
It is in me to fight, yet I found the power of forgiveness. I mean the power of God's forgiveness and then you can become "more than a conqueror".
In the end, as has already been said, we all have a choice to make.

Anonymous Anonymous October 07, 2016 2:38 PM  

When I was growing up, we were still told the story of Teddy Roosevelt deliberately training & toughening himself from a frail, weak asthmatic into an athlete, soldier & adventurer.

Today, Teddy would have been told to revel in his weakness & make a lifestyle out of it.

Anonymous Sheiko29 October 07, 2016 2:39 PM  

Social aptitude doesn't get near enough praise. A friend of mine had the great misfortune of working as a high school teacher for a time. He often joked that the popular kids were the only ones he could stand. The rest could barely hold a conversion.

That and high school success does seem to instill an unshakeable and lasting confidence. My buddy, who was every inch the stereotypcial star quarterback, lives a happy if not terribly remarkable life. But dammit if he still doesn't strut like Johnny American. 10 year anniversary was a riot. The smart kids kowtowed to the chagrin of their double-digit dress size wives

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep October 07, 2016 2:54 PM  

"You're not alone!" they cry. But you are. Everyone is.

The single most terrifying truth most people suppress with all their might. My very anecdotal and observational studies say ~95% of all relationships are the result of people's stark terror at being alone with themselves for more than a few minutes. This fear is also probably a key factor in why so many remain in terrible relationships (the agony of openly displaying one's error in selecting a partner is also a factor).

Is it a mental health convention or sci-fi convention?

It's neither. It's an emotional hog wallow.

Blogger KSC October 07, 2016 2:54 PM  

Perhaps this is one reason I was never really a part of fandom, despite SF/F being my primary literary diet. Blindness from birth comes with a greater likelihood of social abnormality if you lack ordinary social cues, which can often be both visual and quite subtle. I had a family who ruthlessly beat social awkwardness out of me; I would regularly receive comments such as "stop talking, I'm not interested" and "go put something else on, I saw a homeless person dressed better than that yesterday." Taken in isolation, these comments seem incredibly cruel and arbitrary. But I can say with deep confidence that I am able to make my way in the world because of harsh, but loving treatment that might look like "bullying" to others.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 07, 2016 2:54 PM  

I always thought bullies were trying to prove something to their peers. But my first time being bullied was at a bus stop waiting on 4th or 5th grade. Nobody was there but me and this runt of a kid. He was spouting off, and then he tried to rush me like a football tackle around the waist. I simply stepped aside, and he smashed into a fire hydrant, and the seeds of being a cruel Were-Puppy were born muahahahahaaa!

Bus came soon after, and I got on. Bus driver asked me "What wrong with him"? Kid was laying on the ground there crying. I said, "Him? I don't know, just stupid I guess".

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 07, 2016 2:55 PM  

Thank God for Alabama.

I remember sitting in a parent-teacher conference in 6th grade where they were discussing the bullying I endured the last couple of years. Smart, smart-assed, slight, and slightly snarky.

My teacher was concerned, and wanted my Dad to know what the show as trying to do to prevent some of it.

My Dad starts apologising to the teacher, told her he had been unaware, and started promising her that if one more kid ever needed discipline for hitting me, and I wasn't in there getting my punishment for fighting back, I'd get it at home for a good month, daily. The look of shock on t hat teacher's face was priceless. At home he told me he I was probably always going to get my ass whooped, but that all he expected was that the other guy would know who's ass he whooped. I did 3 suspensions over the next 6 years. I won 2 of the three fights, just barely.

A few months later, a cousin down at the creek where we were all swimming shit in his own hand and smeared it all over my back. I was stupid enough to run crying to Daddy. His eyes got narrow, and he told me, "If you don't hold him under until he quits making bubbles, I'm going to do it to you."

I played left guard on the offensive line, caught for a kid heading to the pros with an unbelievable fastball, and threw shot and javelin thru high school (puberty brought nearly 130 lbs and 8 inches of height with it.) I never was popular, but I was respected. I was respected because I didn't collapse.

And I didn't collapse because my father would have beat my ass to a pulp. THAT'S love.

This I'm OK you're ok bullshit navelgazing is beyond hatred. It's indifference.

Blogger KSC October 07, 2016 2:59 PM  

This sort of thing is exhibit A for this ridiculous mentality:

https://captainawkward.com/

It's both rather funny and sad.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 07, 2016 3:08 PM  

@85 Hezekiah Garrett
Thank God for Alabama.
---

2nd that motion -

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 07, 2016 3:37 PM  

I was bullied regularly from Grades 5 through 10 - physically beaten, not just verbally demeaned. It has to be one of the best things that ever happened to me. I wouldn't be me if it hadn't happened. It taught me that fighting back - even when you lose - is way better than just being hit. It taught me that sticks and stones can break your bones, but they don't usually. You get up the next morning and go to school like the day before.

And names? Names never hurt anybody - unless we let them.

Anonymous Martine October 07, 2016 3:42 PM  

"I read what they wrote about themselves. They were, by and large, the fat, weird kids who smelled bad."

I asked how many you knew in their youth, not if you had read a few biographical snippets from a couple writers far more successful than you. You continue to prove your KnowNothing, third rate, C-List status.

Blogger S1AL October 07, 2016 3:44 PM  

--"I asked how many you knew in their youth, not if you had read a few biographical snippets from a couple writers far more successful than you. You continue to prove your KnowNothing, third rate, C-List status."--

All three laws at once. Impressive.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 07, 2016 3:50 PM  

I asked how many you knew in their youth

You asked a stupid, rhetorical question. Vox answered the one anyone normal would care about.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 4:02 PM  

You continue to prove your KnowNothing, third rate, C-List status.

Said the guy who doesn't know that "third rate" requires a hyphen. And is on his 37th pseudonym. We know it's you, Obvious. And now we know you were a fat, smelly, weird kid in high school.

You still haven't learned any social skills.

Blogger borderwalker October 07, 2016 4:09 PM  

28 of 40 posts are by women. (Hmmmm.)

I learned he'd spent a whole school year in a wheelchair hanging out with the school nurse during recess as the result of an accident.

Has he written about this, and I somehow missed it?

Related note: My martial arts instructor used to be a counseling psychologist. I asked him one time why he gave up such a good-paying gig, and he said: "I got tired of dealing with crazy people."

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett October 07, 2016 4:33 PM  

@87 FINEST KIND!!! You can't go anywhere on earth without finding an Alabamian. Most people don't know, but even the head of Al Queada in Somalia is an Alabamian.

Blogger David-2 October 07, 2016 4:58 PM  

@58 - lostsailor32 said: "Reading the names on the list of the SF/Fantasy "writers" I recognized only one, whose books I don't read anyway. Who the hell are these people, and why should anyone care?"

I took a look too. I sort of recognize one name and I've read nothing by her. The other names could have been generated here for all they mean to me.

Blogger Orville October 07, 2016 5:00 PM  

@48 Weakness is elevated to a sacrament nowadays. People spend hours each day thinking about how damaged, weak or useless they are, and sharing it with the world, because it's so avante garde to do so.

As DC.Sunset also said in another post, this is feminine thinking. Time to get out the flamethrower.

Blogger S. Misanthrope October 07, 2016 5:22 PM  

Technically I am a writer who has blogged (once) about depression. You know how I know Gail Martin will never get better? Because she still thinks the root of her problem was other children.

Anonymous Martine October 07, 2016 5:23 PM  

"Said the guy who doesn't know that "third rate" requires a hyphen. And is on his 37th pseudonym. We know it's you, Obvious. And now we know you were a fat, smelly, weird kid in high school."

"Obvious" that what?? Now it's you who makes no sense. But, again, I'll ask how many of these people you knew in their youth that you could so easily diagnose them as being "weird little kids who couldn't bother to abide by childhood social norms of behavior, conversation, and hygiene"?

The response you are avoiding is "NONE...I knew none of these people and I'm talking out my KnowNothing, C-list ass.

Blogger Frank Lin October 07, 2016 5:26 PM  

@Zaklog If you're disabled, physical accomplishment is even more important.

Anonymous WinstonWebb October 07, 2016 5:27 PM  

But, again, I'll ask how many of these people you knew in their youth that you could so easily diagnose them as being "weird little kids who couldn't bother to abide by childhood social norms of behavior, conversation, and hygiene"?

Same answer, asshole:
Most of the writers in question are currently fat, obnoxious frumps. The odds that they were athletic, personable models of health and happiness as children is close to -0-.

Anonymous Martine October 07, 2016 5:30 PM  

"Most of the writers in question are currently fat, obnoxious frumps. The odds that they were athletic, personable models of health and happiness as children is close to -0-"

Same Answer? What Answer? Vox Day won't answer the question. And who can blame him...who want's to have to admit they are third rate, c-list dick.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 07, 2016 5:31 PM  

I knew none of these people and I'm talking out my KnowNothing, C-list ass

Better than Z-list, social justice wanklet.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 5:54 PM  

I'll ask how many of these people you knew in their youth that you could so easily diagnose them as being "weird little kids who couldn't bother to abide by childhood social norms of behavior, conversation, and hygiene"?

None.

You don't need to have known people in their childhood to diagnose them. People are diagnosed with various ailments by people who didn't know them in their childhood literally every single day.

You're way too short for this ride. Do you really think calling me names will hurt my feelings?

Anonymous Martine October 07, 2016 6:04 PM  

"You don't need to have known people in their childhood to diagnose them. People are diagnosed with various ailments by people who didn't know them in their childhood literally every single day. "

Except these people actually spend time with them, talk to them and actually know enough about them to make an educated diagnosis. They don't just read snippets from a couple of people the make declarations about the persons youth.

And...Its not Name Calling if it's true.

Blogger Lovekraft October 07, 2016 6:24 PM  

And I just heard on my local southwest Ontario radio station that there is a campaign to place being fat among the protected classes.

Shakes my head. Sure, people going into an upscale clothing store with their HARD-EARNED money really want to see a landwhale shambling around.

And this is NOT about shaming these fatties. It is about teaching them their place, as we all must learn.

Blogger CJ October 07, 2016 6:25 PM  

#66 makes an essential point. These are mostly women who have been bullied by other women. If they could conceivably blame men for something they would; if that is just too far-fetched then they blame society, culture, America, or the patriarchy.

Anonymous Tipsy October 07, 2016 6:26 PM  

I've been thinking about something, specifically the phrase in Genesis: "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food". In the past, I always saw that as a kind of punishment that God exacted for our disobedience.

Now, I'm wondering if there's a different meaning. Perhaps God is warning us that, as a consequence of our fall, we are not ordered to have it easy on this earth, that too much comfort and luxury degrades us, and that it's through adversity and discipline that we develop the virtue of fortitude.

I can't help but recall Solzhenitsyn's warning to America of dangers of "a high degree of habitual well-being" in his 1978 Harvard address:

"A decline in courage may be the most striking feature that an outside observer notices in the West today. The Western world has lost its civic courage, both as a whole and separately, in each country, in each government, in each political party, and, of course, in the United Nations. Such a decline in courage is particularly noticeable among the ruling and intellectual elites, causing an impression of a loss of courage by the entire society. There are many courageous individuals, but they have no determining influence on public life.

Political and intellectual functionaries exhibit this depression, passivity, and perplexity in their actions and in their statements, and even more so in their self-serving rationales as to how realistic, reasonable, and intellectually and even morally justified it is to base state policies on weakness and cowardice. And the decline in courage, at times attaining what could be termed a lack of manhood, is ironically emphasized by occasional outbursts and inflexibility on the part of those same functionaries when dealing with weak governments and with countries that lack support, or with doomed currents which clearly cannot offer resistance. But they get tongue-tied and paralyzed when they deal with powerful governments and threatening forces, with aggressors and international terrorists.

Must one point out that from ancient times a decline in courage has been considered the first symptom of the end?..."

Anonymous mature-Craig October 07, 2016 6:44 PM  

hey Vox just wanted to tell you that you are awesome and it that it comes across

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau October 07, 2016 6:55 PM  

The SJW fans all suffer from Munchausen's By Phaser.

Blogger Lew Rand October 07, 2016 6:59 PM  

#71 I think you hit on something. Like many things in the male universe that is not understood (like fighting one minute, friends the next), ganging up on the weak is generally not accepted.

Yes you have bully cliques, but usually its a bully and toadies, not multiple bullies.

Hell if a single person can't take on someone that is weak, how do you respect him?

I also note I went through childhood oblivious [and still going at 50 it seems]. Then again I was the smartest one in school, among the tallest at all times and near athletic ability to the best. (But I didn't have the type A personalty to use those gifts. Ah the curses of life)

But even at 50 and way out of shape (working on it) I still have athletic talents and most people dismiss me when I say I'm fat (which I am).

Just going to if your fat / uncoordinated now, you were probably the same as a kid.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 07, 2016 7:02 PM  

Why don't they tell the world about their childhoods? Wil Wheaton explained the horrors of dodge ball that traumatized him and the class "fat" kid.

Blogger seeingsights October 07, 2016 7:11 PM  

I don't think I'll go to WorldCon again.

WorldCon: Old, obese, ugle, depressives.
DragonCon: Young, attractive happy people having fun.

Blogger SQT October 07, 2016 7:28 PM  

I remember writing a scathing article for my college newspaper about the Oprah-effect where everyone amplified their childhood trauma to feel significant. Naturally it was never printed.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been bullied at one time or another. My family, like many, were utterly horrible. But the only thing to do is move forward and succeed. Anything else is giving up.

Blogger Unknown October 07, 2016 7:35 PM  

"You think we overcompensated a little?"

Alt-Right and Left both overcompensate. It's becoming clear they aren't opposite extremes on the political spectrum at all, but ends of a loop separated only by differences in strategy. Both have overcompensated for childhood weakness by become bullies themselves - the Rightist pushing, the Leftist pulling. Their psychopathologies are forever waltzing each other around the room, to the amusement of the pretentious mob. Turns a profit too, it seems.

Anonymous mature-Craig October 07, 2016 7:36 PM  

hopefully the media apologizes for the low down dirty tactics , my wife thinks its shameful of the media to do that and she is still voting for Trump,

Blogger Lazarus October 07, 2016 7:46 PM  

The Broken Fans of Freakdom would also work as a headline.

Anonymous Ivan Throne October 07, 2016 8:03 PM  

An excerpt here from The Nine Laws is relevant.

From Chapter 20: The Third Law is Purpose

Growing up smaller than your peers, with less athletic ability, is often a path to unpleasant interactions of bullying. It is normal, and while children can be rather abusive to each other, it isn’t a bad thing.

It is simply healthy preparation for the human world.

Going through school a year younger than your peers, with less physical and emotional maturity, is a quick and unsurprising route to exclusion from cliques and clubs. Also normal, and very predictable.

It is accurate preparation for the social world.

Skipping a grade and being elevated over those older peers, in order to maximize your intellectual gifts, deepens the rift from mere difference to one of resentment and ugly, guaranteed disfavor.

That is the blunt nature of the real world.

Doing these things while stripped of a crucial sensory perception, the one that severs you from conversation and communication, removes both subtle signal and blunt warning, is a recipe for real danger.

That is the reality of the dark world.

I did them all. I was swiftly and irreversibly educated that I would need more than mere typical skills to survive and thrive in the world I would eventually head out into. It would not be sufficient to be smart… I needed to be incisive. I would not survive merely by being strong… I needed to be formidable. It was not going to keep me alive if I simply become fierce. I needed to be ferocious, and I needed to be fearsomely dangerous to the full extent of the weaponized human being.


Life is what it is.

You must extract performance from it, not dwell expectant within it.

Regards,

Ivan

Anonymous Moonbear October 07, 2016 8:17 PM  

As a Soldier I have to interject here.
It is entirely possible for even the strongest fighters to totally break, I know because I have seen it and to tell them to "Get up and shake it off" would be literary pointless and fruitless.
Sometimes there is no choice, sometimes acceptance is the only way forward.
Being strong only works for so long, we all get old, we all change. Most importantly we all need help sometimes, it is asking for help that is true strength, recognizing that something is wrong and acting on it, human beings are social animals and none of us would survive alone.

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 8:27 PM  

it is asking for help that is true strength, recognizing that something is wrong and acting on it, human beings are social animals and none of us would survive alone.

Bullshit. Asking for help is not "true strength". That's totally absurd. That doesn't even rise to the level of The Big Bang Theory.

Who is wise, the wise man or the person who asks the wise man. The wise man.

It may be necessary to ask for help. It may be wise to ask for help. But it is not "true strength". It is weakness, or you would not need the help in the first place.

Anonymous mature-Craig October 07, 2016 8:29 PM  

vulgar language is bad, may everyone clean up their language

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 8:31 PM  

It's becoming clear they aren't opposite extremes on the political spectrum at all, but ends of a loop separated only by differences in strategy.

That's even more stupid. Left and Right have totally different objectives. In fact, the usual complaint from conservatives is that the extremes of Left and Right are the same because they use the same tactics.

And I have to point out to them that objectives define the differences, not tactics.

I genuinely don't know how some of you manage to stay employed. I suspect some of you would press the elevator button with 20 on it to go to the 5th floor, because 20 is four fives. Contorted reasoning doesn't make you smart or deep, it makes you obviously wrong.

Blogger James Dixon October 07, 2016 8:39 PM  

> Both have overcompensated for childhood weakness by become bullies themselves

Fighting back does not a bully make.

Anonymous VFM 9054 October 07, 2016 9:04 PM  

Serious question; I am one of these people who you all, rightly, hold in disgust. I am perfectly willing to admit that I am a weak, mentally ill, coward. And I want to make things different, but I don't know how.

Any advice, or suggestions about how to stop being a loser?

Anonymous mature craig October 07, 2016 9:15 PM  

I shouldnt comment at work gonna cut that out.damn election got me all interested

Blogger VD October 07, 2016 9:22 PM  

Any advice, or suggestions about how to stop being a loser?

Work out daily. Lose weight. Shower daily. Get some decent shirts and pants. Read a) Marcus Aurelius and b) the New Testament. Stop snacking, stop smoking, and drink only one glass of wine per day.

After one month, buy a suit and get a job.

After two months, take up a sport.

Anonymous Tredwells October 07, 2016 9:28 PM  

Unknown wrote:"You think we overcompensated a little?"

It's becoming clear they aren't opposite extremes on the political spectrum at all, but ends of a loop separated only by differences in strategy.


Peddling Horseshoe theory on VP of all places. Reddit is that way.

Blogger Michael Maier October 07, 2016 9:56 PM  

Shower... DAILY?

Blogger J Van Stry October 07, 2016 10:02 PM  

It's sad. I can tell some pretty serious horror stories about some of the things that have happened to me, things that I have seen completely destroy others, but I have never let it stop me.

Did it hurt? Hell yes.
Did it depress the hell out of me? Definitely.
Did it destroy my hopes and dreams? Yup.

But you know what? Crying never helped anybody or solved anything. So I just got over it, stood back up, and moved on in life. And the people who tried to destroy me apparently can't deal with it. Especially as I'm happy and successful.

One even begged me to forgive him once. And while shocking that he did this, it was incredibly sweet to tell him no, even though the truth was I had moved on and didn't care anymore. It actually bothered him more now, than it bothered me.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 07, 2016 11:18 PM  

Any advice, or suggestions about how to stop being a loser?

What Vox said, but I'll offer some tactics. Before you can have that one glass of wine (or beer, or scotch, or whatever it is you want), you have to earn it by doing as many pushups as you can. Actually, one more pushup than you think you can. When you don't think you can do another one, you will yourself to do another one. Otherwise, no glass of wine/beer/scotch/whatever.

You go until you don't think you can do another one, and then you damned well do another one. If you can't do a single regular pushup, you do "girl" pushups from your knees until you can do regular ones from your toes.

If you get to that last one and... you don't will yourself to do it, you skip your reward and tell yourself that you didn't earn it today, but you'll earn it tomorrow.

Will power is a lot like a muscle - it gets stronger when you use it.

Anonymous RedJack October 07, 2016 11:49 PM  

My mom is nuts. Full blown narcissistic personality disorder nuts. My childhood was not pleasant in many ways (in others, it was wonderful). When I got to college, I realized that not everyone dreaded the time from Halloween to New Years as "go hide outside because the HOUSE must be a MUSEUM" time. My Dad was injured when I was 13, and I had to take charge of a farm right when we got hit with a disease that was killing all the pigs and no one knew why.

It sucked. It fracked me up. It made me what I am. I am not as afraid as many are. I am not a "super hero". Just a guy who finds his feet, picks a point, and keeps hitting it. My new job has been one where I jumped into a totally new field and discipline, and while I am not perfect, it has been successful.

I already lost the farm and survived. I made it through my childhood without being on prescription or recreational drugs.

I am not an "Alpha" or a "Sigma", I am a Delta. I am the guy people call to grab a group and charge the machine gun nest. The guys who strap themselves in and ride into hell to get their crew out. I will never run a company, but God help if you frack with my people.

Find your feet, choose your direction, and start going that way. Do the job that is in front of you as well as you can. You might have to change course, you will fail at times, but every step you take will help. Be realistic. We will not all be superstars, but you can be the best of what your ability will allow you to be.

It is simple, and yet the hardest thing. Accept the suck, but don't let it define you. Accept the pain, but deal with it. Carve out a path through the mess.

Anonymous Holmwood October 07, 2016 11:56 PM  

Martine wrote:You continue to prove your KnowNothing, third rate, C-List status.
You think Vox is C List? That's really impressive. I'd have pegged him around D or E, but you could be right. Congrats Vox.

Anonymous RedJack October 07, 2016 11:56 PM  

VD wrote:Are you sure the SJWs were the school bullies, not the ones being bullied. The ones I would label as bullies in HS all had careers in the education racket.

You have it backwards. They were being bullied. And they've never gotten over it.


I have come to the painful realization that a little bullying is good. It teaches you how to deal with life. It makes you blow through. I had to grow up at 13, so the "pain" of not being socially accepted wasn't as great as many of my peers. Yet, while at the time I viewed it as weakness, I have come to understand why many fear it. When the worst thing you have on the horizon is that if you fail, your family and you will be homeless, you don't care if your jeans are expensive enough or not. But if that worst thing is you don't get into the cool group, any social exclusion is painful.

As I get older, I have more empathy for the SJW. Most are very broken people. However, I will not allow that to get in the way to defend what is good and my own any longer.

Blogger Mark Butterworth October 08, 2016 12:45 AM  

Moonbear wrote:As a Soldier I have to interject here.

It is entirely possible for even the strongest fighters to totally break, I know because I have seen it and to tell them to "Get up and shake it off" would be literary pointless and fruitless.

Sometimes there is no choice, sometimes acceptance is the only way forward.

Being strong only works for so long, we all get old, we all change. Most importantly we all need help sometimes, it is asking for help that is true strength, recognizing that something is wrong and acting on it, human beings are social animals and none of us would survive alone.


I'm with you on that, Moonbear, and on dearly acquired wisdom.

Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. 2 Cor 12:10

Blogger Sheila4g October 08, 2016 1:03 AM  

@126 Red Jack: "It is simple, and yet the hardest thing. Accept the suck, but don't let it define you. Accept the pain, but deal with it. Carve out a path through the mess."

No one gets out of life unscathed. Some kids are bullied in school. Some have highly dysfunctional families. Some people's marriages break up. Men lose their jobs. Businesses go under. Children die from accidents. There's always someone who has it worse than you, and no one is ever going to feel as sorry for you as you feel for yourself. Deal with it. Wallow if you have to for a while, but then kick your own butt and get back up. I've had my share of setbacks and disappointments, and I've responded to some better than others - but I try to learn from my mistakes and not repeat them. I've always been somewhat feisty, but finding Christ taught me to recognize my blessings and to count them, rather than my misfortunes. "Where your treasure is, your heart will be also."

Anonymous Jack Amok October 08, 2016 1:08 AM  

Asking for help when you need it is one thing. Asking for help before you need it, when you could still do more, that's another. If you've done everything you can and maybe a little more, there's no shame in needing help after that. But the people Vox is talking about here, they haven't done all they can.

They gave up long before that - and let's be blunt Moonbear, they aren't asking for help.

They're asking for praise, sympathy and a pass.

If you offer them honest help, they get mad at you.

Blogger Mark Butterworth October 08, 2016 3:21 AM  

Jack Amok wrote: They gave up long before that - and let's be blunt Moonbear, they aren't asking for help.

I don't think Moonbear was referring to the SJWs. Rather, rather it was to all the superman here proclaiming their indomitability.

VD's reaction should settle that -- "Asking for help is not "true strength". That's totally absurd."

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Psalm 51:17

Man is weak, but even a strong man knows when he is over matched by sorrow, suffering, failure, despair, and in extremity that he seeks help from others or from God in humble submission and knowledge of his weakness.

Life isn't the Dark World according to Ivan Throne, life is shit. It's pain, and it's a prison. Life is disappointing, but it's not without its satisfactions and exaltations. It is numinous, but we hardly are.

Thank God for dogs.


Blogger VD October 08, 2016 4:25 AM  

VD's reaction should settle that -- "Asking for help is not "true strength". That's totally absurd."

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Psalm 51:17

Man is weak, but even a strong man knows when he is over matched by sorrow, suffering, failure, despair, and in extremity that he seeks help from others or from God in humble submission and knowledge of his weakness.


Then he isn't strong in that extremity, by your own admission, and nothing is settled. The sacrifices of God are not the "true strength" of Man. Go away, Mark. You're exactly the obnoxious, dishonest, ostentatiously-religious sort of irrelevant-Scripture-spewing individual I don't want around here.

Your kind makes Christianity stink in the nostrils of everyone who seeks truth.

Blogger wreckage October 08, 2016 5:22 AM  

Advice to bettering one's self:

1. Mess yourself up physically sometimes. More exercise than you can cope with, once every month or so. I mean really, really push it. It WILL hurt. And it will make you feel like a badass.

2. Learn some jokes, puns, etc. Use them on people who are actually witty. Memorize their responses, and use THOSE on people who are actually witty. Any that get a good response.... memorize. Repeat them over and over to yourself until your delivery is flawless. Repeat the process.

3. Grooming. Choose an image to convey; whichever image you need. Do you need to be tough? Smooth? Smart? Pick one. Make your hair match it - neatly. Facial hair, likewise - and again it must be NEAT. Match clothing to the image, and every morning, image-up. Trim, dress, facial expression - before you go out of the house, you should look the part.

4. Smell good. Teeth must be clean and flossed, preferably mouthwash as well; your aim is to smell GOOD at all times. Check feet and socks for odour, usually 100% cotton is non-negotiable for anything that's going to touch your skin, and if you need to carry spare socks or wash your feet to make it through the afternoon.... do it.

Pain brings confidence. Making people laugh makes them happy. Looking the part makes you feel the part. Smelling good should be self explanatory.

That's the starter kit. Work from there. And my advice is don't try to be "an alpha". That only works for Them, not Us ;) The aim is to be a confident, funny, well-dressed Totally Average Dude; it is a goal you can reach and it is enough.

Anonymous SciVo October 08, 2016 5:35 AM  

VD wrote:Any advice, or suggestions about how to stop being a loser?

Work out daily. Lose weight. Shower daily. Get some decent shirts and pants. Read a) Marcus Aurelius and b) the New Testament. Stop snacking, stop smoking, and drink only one glass of wine per day.

After one month, buy a suit and get a job.

After two months, take up a sport.


Start volunteering. You can think of something that is important and worthwhile. Do it. If you don't fit in -- if you're more slovenly than the other people there -- then do what it takes to fix it, even if they let you in at first anyway.

Assuming that you are already under a doctor's care and taking care of your body chemistry, the next most important thing is to be a productive component of our society. And even if you start out doing it for free at first, you will feel so much better about yourself that it will help you get that job. And heck, you should do it anyway just to stay busy.

Anonymous SciVo October 08, 2016 5:39 AM  

In fact, if you're not seeing a doctor already then start volunteering first to get your self-starting juices flowing so you can take better care of yourself. The other way around is the wrong way around.

Anonymous SciVo October 08, 2016 5:51 AM  

wreckage wrote:Smelling good should be self explanatory.

Shoulda woulda coulda.

Smell impacts their day. If you're working in an office, poop at your first break after lunch, so the unexpelled feces are not affecting the odor of your flatus.

It's okay if you didn't know that. We all have to learn these things sometime and somehow. But I just know there's someone out there who didn't know it.

Blogger wreckage October 08, 2016 5:56 AM  

And wipe your arse until it's clean enough to eat off. This is also the moment to use toilet paper to scrub off any accumulated sweat from the crack and scrotal region. Wash your hands like a fuckin' SURGEON.

While we're talking about "not always obvious" :)

Blogger pdwalker October 08, 2016 6:00 AM  

@138 Good Grief! Aren't people raised by their mothers anymore?

Anonymous SciVo October 08, 2016 6:11 AM  

wreckage wrote:And wipe your arse until it's clean enough to eat off. This is also the moment to use toilet paper to scrub off any accumulated sweat from the crack and scrotal region.

There are times I regret we don't have bidets. They generally correspond to the times that I regret not having more fiber in my diet. I could impose a social change on our polity, or I could just have more salads, or I could suffer silently.

Since I lack power and dislike silence, the obvious choice is salad.

Blogger wreckage October 08, 2016 6:11 AM  

pdwalker, mate, you'd be horrified how many people fail at basic hygiene. Since someone asked for advise on how to not be a totally broken freak, I thought I'd assume the worst.

Anonymous SciVo October 08, 2016 6:27 AM  

I swear, some people are not only conceived in barns but also raised in them. Every single thing that we're saying is true, and assuming it didn't get you fired -- can that happen? I suppose so -- then just everyone will appreciate you smelling better.

Anonymous SciVo October 08, 2016 6:34 AM  

As long as we're on the topic, I haven't noticed any BO in a long time, so I think everyone knows this: but at least use an antiperspirant deodorant, even if it's unscented. Speed Stick has one, and there's also Tom's of Maine.

Blogger KSC October 08, 2016 8:49 AM  

Ps. 51 is not a good verse to apply here; but 2 Cor. 12:10 seems to be, and seems to be saying the opposite of what Vox is. In that chapter Paul even boasts of his weakness. (Please note: I am not saying, nor do I think, this chapter justifies the kind of behavior described in the OP; Paul is boasting of his "weakness" in order to exalt the providence of God in his life.)

Blogger VD October 08, 2016 8:54 AM  

Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

The fact that God can do what Man cannot is not an indication that Man should not do what he can. Paul not only tried to defeat his thorn, he repeatedly asked God to take it from him. So, no, it is not saying the opposite of what I am saying.

Moreover, it still doesn't even address the question of what is human strength. The fact that Paul delight's in weakness does not make him strong. It makes him weak. His strength is not his, but God's.

And if you want to rely on the Bible to not shower and trust in God to make you popular through miraculously eliminating your odor, well, I'm certainly not going to stop you. But I am going to stay upwind.

Anonymous RedJack October 08, 2016 9:59 AM  

SciVo wrote:As long as we're on the topic, I haven't noticed any BO in a long time, so I think everyone knows this: but at least use an antiperspirant deodorant, even if it's unscented. Speed Stick has one, and there's also Tom's of Maine.

I work with a lot of people from Asia. The Japanese are ok, but the Chinese stink. I asked one kid about it, and he said they were raised to only bath twice a week to save money. He was actually shocked I talked to him about it. Of course, a tall barbarian like myself does things like tell the doctor in robotics he smells like day old poop.

Blogger Sheila4g October 08, 2016 11:50 AM  

What is it with Churchians and SJWs that they delight in their weakness and brokenness? I do realize that "count your blessings" is not literally part of the Bible, but came into popular use some time in the 1800s in England. Still, the spirit behind the saying appears to have been turned on its head today. Instead of being grateful for what we each have, so many churchians are consumed with guilt for their blessings and, while gushing about third worlders' ostensible "simple joy" with their subsistence lives, cannot appreciate their own lives unless and until everyone else is "equally" materially blessed (or in the SJW case, equally miserable). It's a rejection of God's gifts to eternally wallow in brokenness and sorrow.

Blogger Scott Birch October 08, 2016 12:40 PM  

Martine just can't leave this one alone 😄

Blogger Michael Maier October 08, 2016 1:08 PM  

I noticed my breath and bodily smells massively improved when I cleaned up my diet. Far less white sugar and white flour, no hydrogenated oils. Less carbs, more fat of all kinds.

No more tonsil stones, either. (Tonsiliths?)

Blogger Michael Maier October 08, 2016 1:11 PM  

Less carbs and processed foods, too.

My feet naturally sweat a ton. I found a quick splash of rubbing alcohol in the morning before I put on my socks & shoes cut down on the sweating. I also only wear my shoes about once a week per pair to let them air out.

And make sure your toes have room! I wore normal width with wide feet for decades. Never even occurred to me to find shoes that really fit. Now I wear 5E shoes and they're the most comfortable. Bitch to find them that wide, though.

Blogger Rez Zircon October 08, 2016 1:13 PM  

Mental illness has become a fashion statement.

As to the ones who like to claim PTSD... recent research determined that it's a genetic defect: the brain lacks the enzyme required to dispose of stress byproducts.

Blogger Michael Maier October 08, 2016 1:14 PM  

I have to disagree on antiperspirant, though.

I got lumps in my pits really bad using AP. I switched to non-AP deodorant. I might sweat and my shirt might get damp, but I feel better and sweating is a natural process.

Keep a stick to work to touch up in the mens room. Also helps on those days where you get four hours into the day and realize you forgot to put it on that morning.

Blogger Michael Maier October 08, 2016 1:15 PM  

Rez Zircon October 08, 2016 1:13 PM
Mental illness has become a fashion statement.


Worse, it's a damned crutch.

One of my nephews whines "I have ADHD!" when he's asked to do things he doesn't want to focus on.

I want to kidnap him, drag him to a cabin in the middle of nowhere and make him detox and make him kill to eat.

Blogger Shimshon October 08, 2016 2:42 PM  

I was bullied by one boy periodically over a period of years (usually when we shared classes, which was not that often). At first, I was a new kid, small, and pretty shy (but I was thin and clean). This kid just didn't like me. I can't remember any specific thing that might have set it off. Looking back, I think he was offended by my passive and shy nature (my parents' recent divorce was pretty raw) and was simply aggressive and this was his way of challenging me to fight back. He didn't seem otherwise maladjusted.

Anyway, I don't remember being too obsessed about it (the low incidence did help). I was long over it when I ran into him at 19, and he apologized for all the bullying he done to me previously. I got "closure," something these sickos never will, and which I didn't even need. Still, it was a nice gesture on his part.

Blogger wreckage October 08, 2016 10:03 PM  

I have some neurological issues - didn't stop me from being part manager of a 3 million dollar business by the way - but my kids have been thoroughly tested, etc.

Whining "I have ADHD" or whatever is not permitted here. You can lay out a strategy for how you're going to work around symptoms, if you need to. Or you can say "I have (ADHD, ASD, whatever) so I will need to work harder". But you don't get out of things.

For all but the most seriously impaired, it's a matter of clear self-perception, and consistent, intelligent effort.

Anonymous ZonKuthon October 09, 2016 5:36 AM  

There is nothing that can help. If you're broken, you're broken. If you can recover, you will. I've spent my entire life as a worthless broken person. Nothing else can ever be. Every effort I make is turned to failure. There is nothing worth living for, since it's all out of reach.

Read this: http://pastebin.com/Ush6huDi

And to those who say you don't get out of things: YES YOU DO! You get out of them by suicide. At least, that's my plan. As soon as Mother Dearest dies, I'll finally be in the clear. But, I take it that none of you have ever had any kind of problems or troubles, have you? If you have, you've gotten over them, so Everyone must be able to do it, right?

I thought you didn't believe in the Everyone is Equal bullshit story?! How can I do what you did, if we aren't equal or similar?

--Zon

Anonymous SciVo October 09, 2016 6:14 AM  

Tipsy wrote:I've been thinking about something, specifically the phrase in Genesis: "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food". In the past, I always saw that as a kind of punishment that God exacted for our disobedience.

Now, I'm wondering if there's a different meaning. Perhaps God is warning us that, as a consequence of our fall, we are not ordered to have it easy on this earth, that too much comfort and luxury degrades us, and that it's through adversity and discipline that we develop the virtue of fortitude.


Yes, I was taught this from birth. Thought it was common knowledge.

I've since rationalized it as a consequence of natural selection -- that a race evolved to thrive in hardship cannot handle ease well -- but it's true regardless.

Blogger wreckage October 09, 2016 11:27 AM  

ZonKuthon
Autism, ADHD, chronic and acute anxiety, chronic and acute depression, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, irritable bowel syndrome.

I was a partner in a roughly $2 million business, partner in a contracting business, disability pensioner for a time, and am in the process of starting another business.

If you want to kill yourself, don't talk about it - ever - and make sure it looks like an accident. I recommend drowning or hypothermia; involving a third party (for example, a train driver) is the lowest, shittiest act in the universe.

But as you slip beneath the waves, don't comfort yourself that you had no choice, rather, consider the fact that there's a guy out there who can't focus for more than a few minutes, has anxiety attacks, can't stand loud noises, sometimes can't stand or walk for more than a few minutes at a time, suffers continual low-grade pain, gets gut cramps and shits fire...

...is married, has two kids, plenty of friends, and is starting in on his third business. And can do 22 pushups.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 13, 2016 4:19 AM  

They have many reasons to dislike me, but they main reason they hate and fear me is because, in my self-assurance, I remind them of the bullies who scarred them for life.

Nope.

First off, kids like you didn't bully freak-of-nature skiffy wierdos like us. You had better things to do. Shoot, when you even noticed us at all you gave an impromptu tutoring session to the freshman struggling to catch up in a junior-year class.

It was the hangers-on and wanna-be-s trying to impress kids like you who tried to make our school days hellish.

They hate you because they base their worth on What the Cool Kids think, and the only time you aren't comprehensively ignoring them you're crushing them.

They suck up to mere bullies.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 13, 2016 4:21 AM  

They have many reasons to dislike me, but they main reason they hate and fear me is because, in my self-assurance, I remind them of the bullies who scarred them for life.

Nope.

First off, kids like you didn't bully freak-of-nature skiffy wierdos like us. You had better things to do. Shoot, when you even noticed us at all you gave an impromptu tutoring session to the freshman struggling to catch up in a junior-year class.

It was the hangers-on and wanna-be-s trying to impress kids like you who tried to make our school days hellish.

They hate you because they base their worth on What the Cool Kids think, and the only time you aren't comprehensively ignoring them you're crushing them.

They suck up to mere bullies.

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