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Saturday, October 29, 2016

The loosening grip of empire

Fred Reed explains why the Empire needs a war:
The United States is not in danger. The Empire is. This is not good. Empires, the Soviet Union notwithstanding, seldom go quietly. Either Washington gambles on war of some sort against Russia, or Russia and China, in the desperate hope of reversing things, or the Empire gets slowly eaten. Or not so slowly. Once one country pries itself loose, many may rush for the door.

New York may go for calculated war against Russia–say, cyberwar expected not to turn into shooting war, shooting war in Syria not expected to turn into global shooting war, global shooting war not expected to turn into nuclear war. This will be a crapshoot. Note that America has badly misguessed the outcomes of every war since Korea.

This is why the American election actually matters, unusual in Presidential contests. It is Blowhard against Corruption, a swell choice, but Trump is firmly against war with Russia, and Hillary for. Her military understanding is that of a fried egg.

The woman is both a fool and a knave but, it seems, Trump has talked trash, and therefore she will likely be President. Weirdly, the future of the world depends on how an excited electorate of political middle-schoolers responds to one candidate’s dirty talk. From a curmudgeon’s point of view, it is pretty funny. It is funnier if one lives outside of the radiation footprint.

But back to business. The seaboard Axis of Evil needs a war because almost every tide runs against it. Proximately, the Axis has pushed China, Russia, and Iran together against the Empire. (First rule of empire: Do not let the dissidents unite.) Many signs suggest that the world, or much of it, is beginning to see China as its future. The BRICS, the SCO, the NDB, the AAIB–all exclude the US. China becomes the major trading partner of country after country. The twilight deepens.
I find it very difficult to believe that the Imperial USA is dumb enough to directly start a war with either Russia or China. But I don't find it at all difficult to believe that they are foolish enough to expand the current wars-by-proxy and risk a disproportionate response by one or more of the enemies they have unnecessarily provoked.

A Hillary presidency doesn't expressly guarantee war, but it does make it the obvious probability. This is something the NeverTrumpers clearly never considered before they struck their epically stupid poses. Hillary is a servant of Empire. Trump is an opponent, which, of course, is why he is so often lumped in with Vladimir Putin.

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72 Comments:

Blogger exfarmkid October 29, 2016 11:18 AM  

Not directly, but the empirical evidence strongly indicates that Hillary etal are dumb enough to push hard enough to start the war.

Blogger Lovekraft October 29, 2016 11:19 AM  

How to neutralize the female emotionvote. How indeed. When the problem is so deeply entrenched, and men are basically turning into indentured, drugged-up servants (with a few prepper loner types). Massive darkmoney propping up feminism.

There has to be a simple solution that allows society to still cater to the feminine childishness while taking their hands off the steering wheel.

A conundrum I have spent years trying to unlock.

Blogger Lovekraft October 29, 2016 11:21 AM  

But maybe the modern decline is a sign we are winning. If evil is so widespread and powerful, it would have us ALL praying with our asses in the air five times a day. So the fact the meme wars and shivs have impact means we have to just keep on fighting and supporting each other. Networking is absolutely necessary.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 29, 2016 11:25 AM  

It's okay, we can expand the active duty combat personnel by almost 100%.

#DraftOurDaughters

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 29, 2016 11:28 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:How to neutralize the female emotionvote. How indeed.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mas0dmp7IT1rsj0eao1_400.gif

Blogger Cail Corishev October 29, 2016 11:40 AM  

I think it's hard to overestimate their stupidity. One thing I've learned from this campaign is that Hillary's camp is fully SJW converged. That was clear from the convention, when they trotted out freak after freak and made no attempt to appeal to normal people, because as SJWs, they don't think they should have to. We also know the military services are converged at the top at least, from the way they now happily jump on the latest perversion fads instead of having to be forced into them.

That's a lot of stupid getting concentrated into the people who could get us into or keep us out of war. In a tricky diplomatic situation with an alpha like Putin, will SJW leaders negotiate reasonably and try to see his side of it, willing to compromise to keep the peace? Or will they lie, project their own fear and hatred onto him, and double-down on threats and attacks until he has no choice to respond?

We already know the answer to that. The only way a President Hillary doesn't get us into war is if she stops being president -- if she dies, or if there are enough men left in the military to stage a coup when things start getting hot. That's a lot to hope for, when we could just elect the non-war-mongering candidate instead.

Blogger OGRE October 29, 2016 11:44 AM  

Reed is like a fine cheddar, he gets sharper with age. His insights here are spot fucking on.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 29, 2016 11:50 AM  

My impression is that most NeverTrump leaders are pro-war. Maybe not as rabidly as Hillary, but they love the US military, and they're happy to send troops across the globe if you can come up with a half-decent excuse involving democracy or women's rights or something, especially if there's oil involved. Bill Kristol even used to have "pro-war" in his Twitter profile. Trump's lack of enthusiasm for global tinkering via war scares them just as much as his lack of enthusiasm for doing it through globalist trade agreements.

Blogger CM October 29, 2016 11:54 AM  

Seems like the Never Trumpers believe Hillary is better with foreign policy.

Blogger praetorian October 29, 2016 12:04 PM  

OT: convergence at ESPN is starting to hurt

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn-loses-621-000-subscribers-worst-month-in-company-history-102916

Turns out running progressive agti-prop with occasional commercial breaks for miscegenation, whoring and erection pills isn't going to sell that well.

Blogger Dirtnapninja October 29, 2016 12:06 PM  

Start shorting ESPN

Blogger Johnny October 29, 2016 12:10 PM  

Lovekraft,
"There has to be a simple solution that allows society to still cater to the feminine childishness while taking their hands off the steering wheel."

The solution is to control the media, that is where most of this stuff comes from. And that still holds despite the internet because broadcast media reaches out to the disinterested, the most important demographic for propaganda.

Plus change or kill the funding for the lefties. That would be the universities and the for-hire press. Hollywood also, but they would be hard to control and inclined to go along if society changes.

Most of our problems are cultural in nature. The institutions are workable.


As for the "risk a disproportionate response," by my lights that is the big problem. We underestimate how much the other side is going to fight back. Next the president either has to take a political hit that goes with a loss or respond in kind. And so unless the president is willing to take the hit for the sake of the general good, that is take the blame, escalation will follow.

Blogger Stilicho October 29, 2016 12:15 PM  

We are already at war with China and have been for some time. One side doesn't acknowledge it. Guess which.

Anonymous johnc October 29, 2016 12:18 PM  

The military industrial complex shovels a ton of money into Washington for an obvious purpose. They demand a return on that investment. It really isn't much more nefarious than that simple reality: war is good business for certain industries. And Hillary has always proven to be a great return on investment.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 29, 2016 12:43 PM  

There has to be a simple solution that allows society to still cater to the feminine childishness while taking their hands off the steering wheel.

Give them their precious gender equality, good and hard. Make their franchise conditional on registering for the draft, same as men -- and make it clear that job assignments will all be entirely gender-neutral, just like a Target dressing room.

Then give them an easy and non-judgmental way to opt out, unlike the current mode of severe disapproval. In other words, make women equal, then stop using the franchise to encourage registering for the draft, and start using the draft to discourage the franchise.

Blogger Anonymous-9 October 29, 2016 12:46 PM  

The head of the snake is the university. It has abandoned teaching Western civilization and values with government approval greased by funding. Media students learn cultural Marxism at school, graduate, and broadcast it to the world.

We need snake hunters.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 29, 2016 12:48 PM  

But I don't find it at all difficult to believe that they are foolish enough to expand the current wars-by-proxy and risk a disproportionate response by one or more of the enemies they have unnecessarily provoked.

They're dumb like the leaders in Europe who started WW I. They overestimate their ability to deal with problems that crop up. They also have the mindset of playing with other people's chips - no matter how badly they lose they expect someone else to foot the bill.

Blogger tublecane October 29, 2016 12:57 PM  

Why "since Korea?" What about WWII? Unless you think we deliberately won it for the commies just so we could have a Cold War against them. Which isn't factually accurate, and even if it were would be ridiculously convoluted.

Anonymous dagwood October 29, 2016 1:11 PM  

If Hitlery wins, can we just go ahead and change the national anthem to the Darth Vader theme music?

Anonymous St. Cecilia October 29, 2016 1:12 PM  

Do you really find his thesis impressive? Describe the "grip" in the first place.

Anonymous Dack Thrombosis October 29, 2016 1:12 PM  

Most of the Nevertrump crowd is the neocon element. They're just fine with prosecuting wars under Hillary.

Blogger Wild Man October 29, 2016 1:15 PM  

OK - something I am not understanding. The empire ... in other words - the globalist agenda - yes?.... 1)how does this intersect with preponderance of Jewish influence at the levers of cultural power in the west?, and 2) how does this intersect with this weird and seemingly perverse relationship western powers have with Saudi Arabia?

Blogger Johnny October 29, 2016 1:20 PM  

tublecane wrote:Why "since Korea?" What about WWII? Unless you think we deliberately won it for the commies just so we could have a Cold War against them. Which isn't factually accurate, and even if it were would be ridiculously convoluted.

The real crock war was WWI. There was no real reason for us to be on either side. The Lusitania "martyr" was a crock because the ship was carrying arms and therefore a legitimate target. Plus there was no real reason for us to be on either side. The German Reich was about as humanitarian as the British Empire, and our entry actually hinged on British propaganda and Woodrow Wilson and British propaganda. The Brits controlled the news delivering undersea cables.

Blogger Duinne Eile October 29, 2016 1:29 PM  

OK - something I am not understanding. The empire ... in other words - the globalist agenda - yes?.... 1)how does this intersect with preponderance of Jewish influence at the levers of cultural power in the west?, and 2) how does this intersect with this weird and seemingly perverse relationship western powers have with Saudi Arabia?

The petro dollar is a key part of it, the Saudis and Israel/Jews pretend to hate each other but few people believe it any more, in any case the Saudis are finished, they have about 5 years left, then they collapse and so too does the petrodollar, things will get very interesting very fast

Anonymous LES October 29, 2016 1:32 PM  

Everyone who registers to vote should be required to register for the draft. If you don't register to vote then you are excluded from registering for the draft. Women included. Bring back the draft!

Blogger haus frau October 29, 2016 1:34 PM  

I just had an exchange with my neocon, Cruz loving sister over Putin. She will likely vote Trump but it's a bitter pill for her. The sex scandals and Trump's boorishness are anathema to her. She is very concerned about polishing the silver while her house is burning. I posted a meme off Chateauz Heartiste about Putin bringing his dog to a meeting with the notoriously dog phobic Merkel. This brought on accusations of having a "bromance" with Putin who assassinates people, sometimes in very creative ways. You see he is kgb, always will be and pure evil. This is the resolute view of my sis and also the neocon-Cruz crowd even after I pointed out, and she knows this, that our government is arming the rebels that are massacring Christians in Syria while Putin, by supporting Assad, is protecting Christians against our Sunni rebels. Putin has encouraged the Christian church in Russia and banned gay propagandizing of youth. Our government oppresses Christianity. Putin is a product of Russian culture and a good leader for Russians by their own standards and is concerned with preserving Russia for the Russians while our leaders are working against our people to destroy culturally, and economically. He may not be a good man in many ways but he is a strong leader and good for his sphere of influence in ways that we are not. My sis, like many people is a binary thinker and cannot separate the two concepts that I can tell anyway.
Ahhhh but see, sure he protects his people but he still "oozes evil" and is trying to bring eastern Europe back into Russian control....never mind that this has been back and forth for centuries before America existed and will continue for centuries after we collapse)...........I think that a plurality of Americans could easily be led by the nose into a war with Russia. Even those that hate the current leadership and recognize that it is corrupt, because they still believe in the necessity of US involvement for no other reason than that the US is supposed to referee shit in Turdistan and Europe at large .......because who will represent freedom and democracy for the little people there if not the US?

Blogger Johnny October 29, 2016 1:49 PM  

@26

An unfortunate thing about this sexual behavior stuff is that Trump is no worse than the other side and maybe better, but the other side doesn't get reported. The Kennedy clan, most all of them, were about on par with Trump. Bill Clinton was probably an unprosecuted serial rapist or something very close to it. And maybe the king of boorish behavior was Lyndon Johnson.

Blogger Balázs Varga October 29, 2016 1:53 PM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:There has to be a simple solution that allows society to still cater to the feminine childishness while taking their hands off the steering wheel.

Give them their precious gender equality, good and hard. Make their franchise conditional on registering for the draft, same as men -- and make it clear that job assignments will all be entirely gender-neutral, just like a Target dressing room.

Then give them an easy and non-judgmental way to opt out, unlike the current mode of severe disapproval. In other words, make women equal, then stop using the franchise to encourage registering for the draft, and start using the draft to discourage the franchise.


This seems to have worked for the second world. Than again, slavic women are notoriously fiery and may require less coddling.

Anonymous 10/29 October 29, 2016 2:09 PM  

@28
>slavic women are notoriously fiery and may require less coddling.

Gotta get me a slavic women. Woman going from bitchy to submissive in bed - so cash .. as long as she has alternative living arrangement to my place.

Blogger Rex Little October 29, 2016 2:10 PM  

The irony is that Hillary is framing Trump as the one who'll get us in a nuclear war, and most people other than hard-core Trump supporters seem to be buying it.

Blogger Johnny October 29, 2016 2:12 PM  


If control of the media is assumed, coming up with stuff that would damage feminism would be easy.

What comes to mind for me is false flag stuff. Pretend support that damages. Let's see, men hold hazardous jobs way more than females, and these jobs tend to have higher income. So promote the idea that women should be "forced" into higher risk occupations. Not fighter pilots, that is glamourous. Garbage pickup, for example, is a surprisingly high risk occupation.

And then there is the matter of who gets the kids in a divorce. Giving them to the women inhibits the career path. Perhaps divorce courts should favor the man in custody cases.

And you can go on and on like this. The problem is not dreaming up the propaganda, it is getting it presented. The old saw in newspaper days was to not argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel. The new one is that you don't win an argument against whoever it is who owns the microphone or controls the podium. Somewhat by accident we have put the left the control of the media. Except for talk radio they are the chattering classes.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative October 29, 2016 2:21 PM  

@25
"Everyone who registers to vote should be required to register for the draft. If you don't register to vote then you are excluded from registering for the draft. Women included. Bring back the draft!"

That's the best idea I've heard yet for fixing the problem. It's simple and politically feasible. Keep repeating that until it catches on.

Anonymous Flavia October 29, 2016 2:22 PM  

Universal, compulsory military service has its advantages. I can think of several wars that would never have been started if everyone's sons & daughters were at risk.

Tying it to voter eledgibility is golden.

Anonymous Flavia October 29, 2016 2:23 PM  

Yes!

Anonymous David of One October 29, 2016 2:25 PM  

Possibilities abound.

On the one hand we have O'Crapo making noise about being forced out. So forcing a failing

Hilly out via high crimes just before the election might even "delay" the election. Maybe they figured all their fraud and lies isn't enough to counter the tide towards Trump and rather throw the dice on something they have more control over.

Hence for setting the stage for the blame game of the Russians ... that they are capable of the fraudulent "votes" or making "everyone" question the vote.

Why would you start an infernal pissing contest via rumors of an imminent or an actual "cyber attack" just before the election? Crazy "uncle" Joe and others have been bantering about the US initiating a cyber attack against the Russians for the last week or so.

Obviously the Russians are taking something seriously considering their recall and preparations of the last couple of weeks. All of this could add up to a more "sure thing" than the risk of loosing the election to Trump.

Consider increasing banter about the Russians modifying the emails that WikiLeaks is releasing, or the Russians hacking the election machines or the Russians causing distrust of the vote. This is a ploy to have someone to point their crooked fingers at to steer attention from themselves and to anyone they choose. Currently it is the Russians. Create the situations and steer the fear.

War also permits the realistic possibility of serious social measures to be instituted ... confiscatory and control ... speech ... travel ... the Internet ... forced conscription into their military ... "everyone" serves ... let your imagination be your guide.

Blogger jandolin October 29, 2016 2:36 PM  

The neocon nevertrumpers belong in jail for their role in promoting American military intervention through false claims of Iraq possession WMD. Not a single neocon has been held accountable for the Iraq war folly. Not one of them has been fired for American military intervention in the destructive Iraq war.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 29, 2016 2:37 PM  

I just had an exchange with my neocon, Cruz loving sister over Putin

Ask her why she supported a Canadian for President. Get all the mad up and out of her system.

Then ask her if a rapist like Bill Clinton should be re-elected for 4 more years.

Forget dialectic. Use rhetoric.

Anonymous johnc October 29, 2016 2:47 PM  

@26 I just had an exchange with my neocon, Cruz loving sister over Putin.

It sounds like she's an Americanist first, and a Christian second. Or one of those who thinks American and Christian are synonymous.

Blogger tublecane October 29, 2016 3:17 PM  

@33-Just because everyone's in "military service" doesn't mean they're at risk. Already the vast majority of military jobs have little to nothing to do with the military as traditionally understood, and that would obviously increase were "service" universal.

Blogger tublecane October 29, 2016 3:17 PM  

@33-Just because everyone's in "military service" doesn't mean they're at risk. Already the vast majority of military jobs have little to nothing to do with the military as traditionally understood, and that would obviously increase were "service" universal.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 29, 2016 3:36 PM  

On the topic of drafting girls, I saw a yard sign this morning that said something like, "Proud of our daughter for making a difference -- goarmy.com." I thought, that's the perfect slogan for the feminized military: it's not about defending the nation, killing the enemy, conquering territory, or any of those "boy" things it used to be about. It's about "making a difference," which could mean anything from running your base's diversity program to piloting a drone to drop bombs on a sexist foreign leader. Heck, just by wearing the uniform they "make a difference" by setting an example for younger girls!

But even parents like that will balk at drafting girls, because the whole point of chick soldiers is to let girls choose to do whatever they want at all times. It's certainly not about placing obligations on them.

Blogger haus frau October 29, 2016 4:02 PM  

Johnc,
I'd go with the first choice though I don't think that has ever occurred to her....she probably assumes on some level that the American model of nation building in foreign shit holes is inherently pro-christian. I like to recount my conversations with my sister's because the three of us represent stock models of major political branches. So the dialogue is interesting as a thought experiment, I guess. My Bernie loving sister is all self absorbed emotion, my neocon sis has a reputation in the family for being a bit over bearing but in a good natured way. I was the wild card fuck up in my youth. Now I just say offensive borderline racist stuff all the time...I'm alt right after making a slow progresion through Ron Paul libertarianism to. Christian nationalist.

Anonymous Luke October 29, 2016 4:26 PM  

One thing that never comes up in discussions of mandatory universal service (whether just in the mil or more general) is this: how do you get all the over-18-20s who are in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s to serve their share as well? Hey, if I was going to have to (in a time of no declared wars) have to serve (for peanuts) in a risky sh*thole for two years, then all the older fat and happy types can all lose THEIR jobs/daily access to spouses & kids for two years, too, or screw my going.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 29, 2016 4:32 PM  

You don't debate women you blame women

Anonymous The Kulak October 29, 2016 4:49 PM  

"I find it very difficult to believe that the Imperial USA is dumb enough to directly start a war with either Russia or China. But I don't find it at all difficult to believe that they are foolish enough to expand the current wars-by-proxy and risk a disproportionate response by one or more of the enemies they have unnecessarily provoked." This is the point I've been making to all the 'muh F-22s/AEGIS are invincible' commenters here, who were of course trained for years to think that way. It's not a question of technology but of will. Which country is more prepared to take higher casualties? Which country fearing the biggest bloodletting it's experienced since the opening phase of the Korean War if not the bloodiest battles of WW2 will unleash tactical nukes first to force an immediate armistice or risk all out armageddon/nuclear exchange? Hint: SecDef Ash Carter isn't ordering the Pentagon to frantically upgrade the U.S. arsenal of B61 tactical nuclear warheads in Europe because our conventional deterrent with that speedbump force in the Baltics or some trainers in western Ukraine at Yavoriv is so s--t hot or impressive to the Russians.

Russia isn't preparing to invade the Baltics. One of Putin's advisers Karaganov said several months ago the idea Russia would want to occupy any hostile population is ludicrous, the only thing the Balts and to a lesser extent Poles were accomplishing is making their countries dartboards for supersonic and (in the case of the Iskanders in Kaliningrad) hypersonic missiles in the event the U.S./NATO start a war with Russia. What the Ru MoD seems to be preparing for is a counteroffensive war should Hildabeast get elected and try to say, have U.S. advisers join a Romanian anschluss of Moldova that doesn't accept the existence of the pro-Russian exclave of Transnistria and tries to blockade it along with the sad sack Ukrainian Army. The Russian exercise Kavkaz 2016 in Crimea back in September simulated amphibious landings on the Black Sea coast, exactly of the type you'd need to roll up the Dniestr valley west of Odessa to meet up with the Pskov VDV after they're dropped into Transnistria and start kicking the shit out of NATO backed Romanian and Ukrainian besiegers, whose rear would be attacked by Gauguzian partisans (Gaguazia being a Russian speaking part of Moldova that almost seceded from the country in the early 1990s when Moldovan aka Romanian wannabe nationalists pushed Romanization, to avenge as they saw it the historic injustice of Russification in Soviet times).

Anonymous The Kulak October 29, 2016 4:50 PM  

The Russians are also creating the 1st Guards Tank Army, whose main mission is to stand poised to overrun the Donbass in 100 hours and kick the shit out of the Ukrainian Army and any U.S./NATO (mostly Polish with some Croats) 'vacationers' or advisers embedded with them in case of war. Again you can argue how badass all our tech is and how vastly superior the average US Army infantryman is to the Russian, but if you're 'outgunned, outranged and outmanned' at the end of a thousands-mile logistics chain you imagine never comes under attack from Kalibr missiles or is never subject to political constraints when NATO allies decide to bail on your campaign Turkey in 2003 style, you still lose. Unless you unleash your tactical nukes to show Ivan who's boss after one third of the Ukrainian Army just goes home, another third surrenders and the third left that's ready to fight and die gets steadily chewed up east of the Dniepr, while the Polish Army frantically sends tanks to Lvov if not Kiev to stop the onslaught.

Again, Russia is weak in terms of naval power and force projection anywhere beyond 800 to 1,000 miles from its borders. But NATO is also spectacularly weak in Ukraine, slightly less weak but still exposed in the Baltics, and unwilling to bleed and die in any more 1999 Kosovo style wars of aggression fought at Washington's behest, which an occupation of Moldova by Romania would be (even if welcomed by many in the western part of Moldova, it would be a smaller scale repeat of what happened after the Maidan coup in Ukraine).

National will matters. The ability to stomach casualties by the thousands matters. And so does the inability to bully or browbeat Frenchmen, Germans much less Greeks and Italians into fighting some war Washington starts because 'muh NATO'.

Blogger tim October 29, 2016 4:54 PM  

On point! Bristol, take a hike.

Anonymous The Kulak October 29, 2016 4:55 PM  

Again, we either elect Trump (my preferred choice) or we get Hildabeast who immediately sets out muscle flexing trying to show everyone US(S)A is still on top. Then you get things like Chinese troops simulating DF-21 carrier killer launches from the Kola Peninsula and Russians showing Chinese how to operate hypersonic stealth bomber taking down S400s on their end of the Eurasian landmass, plus perhaps a bunch of supersonic Bastion missiles based near Kheimmim along with hints the Russians will have tactical nukes there...don't forget about the Chinese finally getting more overtly involved in Syria before January 20, 2017 as the last comingling check on the insane push to attack combined Russian/Syrian forces (would all these tough guy neocons who assume the Russians will have no choice but to just take it and not dare retaliate in Syria or anywhere else really be willing to kill Chinese advisers too?)

Anonymous Down and Out in... October 29, 2016 6:14 PM  

I can't see an actual direct war with Russia happening, except over some Fail Safe-type level of stupidity. Everyone would back away cautiously. More stupid proxy shit, probably.

Besides (and I defer to the mil experts here) my generally impression that this country is tapped for its military population who are willing. Pretty much everybody willing to volunteer is in there now. What are they going to do, draft Justin and Duncan and Madison and Trevonius and DeShawn? These are kids who can handle BASIC Training, not basic training. And once the SHTF, you'd see a mass exodus of the populations of UCLA, UCI, Cal Tech, MIT etc all running home to China and India, and half of Mexico back to Mexico.

Maybe that's the secret evil plan. Flush all the foreigners out by threatening a real war to defend "their" country, then soon as they all scram, lock the doors behind them and declare peace.

Anonymous Avalanche October 29, 2016 6:42 PM  

@39 "Just because everyone's in "military service" doesn't mean they're at risk. Already the vast majority of military jobs have little to nothing to do with the military as traditionally understood"

As I keep pointing out to my beloved-but-idiot-lib sister: her 18-yr-old son is DRAFT AGE! And before she crows: Type 1 diabetic, not draftable; let me point out it's actually: Type 1 diabetic, not DEPLOYABLE! There are plenty of Stateside jobs where less than fully 'usable' young folks can be drafted and put to work! (She refuses to believe Death Grandma wants war.)

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 29, 2016 6:52 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:It's about "making a difference,"
Snicker-worthy:  Let's make a difference!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 29, 2016 7:02 PM  

@48 The Kulak.
The "Muh F-22 is invincible" guys remind me of the guys that sit in the bar and tell you all about their knife fighting technique.
Maybe you are that good. Maybe you're not. But everyone in this place is packing a gun and your knife fighting technique DON'T MATTER!
If it get to the point of a shooting war with Russia, those invincible F-22s will be removed from the equation. If not in air combat, on the ground. If not the plane, then the pilot, or the fuel, or the GPS system it depends on, or the command-and control systems, or sabotage, or landing fields. A fighter aircraft is at the end of a long chain, and that chain is vulnerable.
Good luck continuing to fly when every landing strip within your fuel range is glassed.
Good luck continuing to find targets when your AWACS are gone.
Good luck continuing to fly when your pilot's ops center is hit with an Iskander, taking out half your manpower.
More to the point, if the US is a nuclear wasteland, who cares about your fucking air supremacy?

Blogger Bob Loblaw October 29, 2016 7:31 PM  

LES wrote:Everyone who registers to vote should be required to register for the draft. If you don't register to vote then you are excluded from registering for the draft. Women included. Bring back the draft!

The problem with universal conscription is we can't afford it without putting the economy on a WW II style war footing. That's why there was a lottery in the Vietnam years.

Blogger JimR October 29, 2016 7:59 PM  

@53 Registering for the draft (or 'selective service') doesn't mean you *will* get drafted, just that you *can* be.

It would cost almost nothing to extend that to all who register to vote. It's a piece of paper and an entry in a database that already exists. I think it's a wonderful idea.

Blogger Terry Pounders October 29, 2016 8:36 PM  

Minus the UN we win every time

Anonymous Professor October 29, 2016 8:44 PM  

I have close connections to somebody in the Aspen Institute/Davos circles. They really are stupid enough to want a war with Russia, and China too, but secondarily. They are really excited about fighting Putin with other people's kids. And not just in Syria. Ask William Lind- I bet he backs up my source on this.

Vote/Draft. We need to make it starship troopers light. Everybody who wants the vote has to at least make it through a Parris island style Marine boot camp. And no sex differences in training.

Blogger Cail Corishev October 29, 2016 9:09 PM  

Yeah, it doesn't have to be full-on WWIII, and Putin is probably too sensible for that. But we could easily end up in a half-dozen different proxy wars in places like Syria, with Hillary's SJWs always pushing for more to put sexist Putin in his place. We can't afford any of that, but that wouldn't stop them.

Anonymous Eric the Red October 29, 2016 9:14 PM  

Fred Reed makes a useful distinction between the US and Empire. Being able to make useful distinctions is a mark of a good intellect. Being able to scream "racist" for every situation, not so much.

An empire relies on its ability to generate peace and prosperity. How stupid is it of TPTB over the last 50 years to have siphoned off from the US the ability to generate economic wealth and hand it over to China?

Stupid stupid stupid... the Empire and its chattel leftists are really too stupid to be allowed to play this game any longer.

Anonymous Hoot Owl October 29, 2016 9:15 PM  

In the Bush era, lefties claimed to be anti-war. Now, given a chance to back the most anti-war presidential nominee of a major party since George McGovern, lefties favor power over principles by backing a proponent of what Vox correctly labels Imperial USA. Clinton's bombs, not Trump's bombast, could provoke a disaster.

Anonymous Down and Out in... October 29, 2016 9:23 PM  

And to think the only way we might be able to evade WWIII is because Anthony Weiner was texting his wee-wee to teenagers.

God not only has a sense of humor, he puts Sam Kinison to shame.

Anonymous Eric the Red October 29, 2016 9:39 PM  

My recommendation to Trump is to start hammering home the utter stupidity of HRC and her minions and anybody who votes for her. It's more than just the proof of the god-awful results... it's their inability to make good decisions that caused the shit everybody is now swimming in.

Make them ashamed of their lack of intellect, the thing that they have always thought to be their mark of ultra-cool superiority over the rest of us. Make them feel very ashamed.

Blogger Hen October 29, 2016 9:43 PM  

So true. And I often wonder if China will go for our bringing it back...since they aren't that stupid to begin with.

Blogger Hen October 29, 2016 9:44 PM  

Oops. In #62, Forgot to say ref. #58.

Blogger Lazarus October 29, 2016 10:13 PM  

Avalanche wrote:As I keep pointing out to my beloved-but-idiot-lib sister: her 18-yr-old son is DRAFT AGE! And before she crows: Type 1 diabetic, not draftable;

So, she is ok with war as long as someone elses son fights it.

Sociopath.

Blogger Rambam October 29, 2016 10:34 PM  

Fred, go back to your Modelo. We got it from here.

Blogger Rambam October 29, 2016 10:34 PM  

Fred, go back to your Modelo. We got it from here.

Blogger Bob Loblaw October 29, 2016 10:54 PM  

JimR wrote:@53 Registering for the draft (or 'selective service') doesn't mean you *will* get drafted, just that you *can* be.

It would cost almost nothing to extend that to all who register to vote. It's a piece of paper and an entry in a database that already exists. I think it's a wonderful idea.


I was responding to the sentence "Bring back the draft!"

I agree that draft registration isn't expensive and we could easily add women. Only the SoCons are against it. The feminists are pushing for it. Because talk is cheap - "See, we're so equal. We're registered for the draft too!"

But selective service isn't the same thing as the draft. If and when we find ourselves in an existential conflict, women will excuse themselves from the draft part. They'll say the same thing they've always said (I first heard it around 1990) "Oh, well, women aren't equal because patriarchy, so you can't expect us to actually submit ourselves to a draft."

In other words, selective service for women is cheap grace for the equalists. It allows them to keep their illusions, costs them nothing, and will always cost them nothing.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 29, 2016 11:53 PM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:I agree that draft registration isn't expensive and we could easily add women. Only the SoCons are against it. The feminists are pushing for it. Because talk is cheap - "See, we're so equal. We're registered for the draft too!"
Fuck you.
"Register for your enslavement or you can't vote!" It's bullshit.
Even better is "Submit to your enslavement or you can't vote!"

Anonymous Jack Amok October 30, 2016 1:45 AM  

If you don't register for the draft, you can't take out student loans so you can graduate with your MarComm degree owing seven years worth of your barista salary to the banksters. What other incentives do we need?

Oh, just a reminder. Illegals aren't required to register for the draft. Neither are rapfugees.

Blogger Kona Commuter October 30, 2016 2:21 AM  

As someone suggested earlier - a system akin to Starship Troopers. Must register & be fit / healthy enough for the draft. Must be born & raised in the nation (3rd generation). Certain breaches of law disqualify.

Also the above should also be for holding political positions and positions within the public service supervisor and above.

Just throwing that out there

OpenID aew51183 October 30, 2016 3:26 AM  

This guy's estimation of China's ability to maintain its growth fail to take the demographics of age into account:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/05/chinas-population-poised-to-crash-in.html

Their workforce is graying more rapidly than Europe, with a final inversion even worse than Japan's, causing dire economic consequences and requiring they re-prioritize care for an increasingly aging populace.

The US is being horribly mis-managed, but will win by default in terms of demographics.

Then, there are geographic advantages only the USA has in terms of economics.
Peter Zeihan outlines the geographic contributions to the preeminence of the USA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIdUSqsz0Io&index=2&list=PLHjk-JsVatxO_FyjM4v8RLO7Mq69b4vhN

The interesting thing is the river systems which contribute most to American economic power are centered in the midwest and southeast. If we were to kick the parasite north and left coast out of the union the nation's capacity for growth would not be harmed.

Blogger bosscauser October 30, 2016 7:22 AM  

I'm personally prepared to accept the consequences. The coast and major population centers will be toast. Who lives there? Ain't us white boys!
And we're not voting for it!
Damn good thing Trump will mop the floor with her..

Is it too late?

Let's go #Trump and hurry!

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