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Monday, October 03, 2016

The mantra of inclusiveness

The fact that this church even feels the need to hold a hearing on this matter is an indication of how hopelessly converged it is. And in answer to the question posed by the headline, no, an atheist cannot lead a Christian church:
The Rev. Gretta Vosper is a dynamic, activist minister with a loyal following at her Protestant congregation in suburban Toronto. She is also an outspoken atheist.

“We don’t talk about God,” Vosper said in an interview, describing services at her West Hill United Church, adding that it’s time the church gave up on “the idolatry of a theistic god.”

Vosper’s decision to reject God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and to turn her church into a haven for nonbelievers “looking for a community that will help them create meaningful lives without God” has become too much even for the liberal-minded United Church of Canada.

The United Church, the country’s largest Protestant denomination, has begun an extraordinary process that could end up stripping Vosper of her rights to continue as a minister. Last week, a special committee of the Toronto Conference of the United Church requested that a formal hearing be convened by the General Council of the United Church to determine her fate as a minister. That followed a review of  Vosper’s actions by a separate committee.

“In our opinion, she is not suitable to continue in ordained ministry because she does not believe in God, Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit. Ms. Vosper does not recognize the primacy of scripture, she will not conduct the sacraments, and she is no longer in essential agreement with the statement of doctrine of The United Church of Canada,” the committee said in a report released recently....

Like other mainstream denominations, the United Church of Canada, founded in 1925 as a merger of several denominations, has seen its numbers fall sharply in recent years. It reported having 436,292 members at the end of 2014, less than half the 1,063,951 it had at its peak in 1964. But a spokeswoman notes that the Canadian census of 2011, which has a broader definition, counted more than 2 million “adherents” of the United Church.

“It’s become a question of the church’s public integrity,” the Rev. Don Schweitzer, a professor of theology at St. Andrew’s College in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, and editor of a history of the United Church, said of the dispute with Vosper. “It’s tough on the United Church because we’ve created this mantra of inclusiveness and now it’s been tested. It goes against the grain to tell somebody that you have to leave.”
Inclusivity and tolerance are NOT Christian principles. They are quite literally the opposite of Christian principles. They are social justice principles, which is to say, they are among the many principles acceptable to Hell.

The Devil is most inclusive and extraordinarily tolerant. You can do whatever you want, whenever you want, to whomever you want. And all it will cost you is your soul.

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Blogger Sillon Bono October 03, 2016 5:35 AM  

"The road to hell is paved of good intentions."

Plus this:

>>The Devil is most inclusive and extraordinarily tolerant. You can do whatever you want, whenever you want, to whomever you want. And all it will cost you is your soul.

I wonder just how many souls are the do-gooders condemning to hell.

And to think that all of it is completely unnecessary.

Blogger Krul October 03, 2016 5:40 AM  

"in Canada"

'nuff said.

Blogger residentMoron October 03, 2016 5:42 AM  

"The Devil is most inclusive and extraordinarily tolerant."

Until you resist.

Hmmm, there's another mark of the SJW.

Blogger Lovekraft October 03, 2016 5:52 AM  

This cannot end well. The only way out is for the sjw to repent and leave. But we all know that sjws are not known for their tolerance and self-awareness. They prefer to tear down an institution rather than admit fault.

Blogger JACIII October 03, 2016 6:00 AM  

"dynamic, activist minister with a loyal following"

Half hearted attempt to make that corpse of a church seem alive. She's going to hell, but the press thinks she's "dynamic"!

Blogger M Cephas October 03, 2016 6:01 AM  

"“We don’t talk about God,” Vosper said in an interview, describing services at her West Hill United Church, adding that it’s time the church gave up on “the idolatry of a theistic god.”"

Well she apparently still thinks idolatry is a thing.

Blogger Fatherless October 03, 2016 6:11 AM  

"It’s time the church gave up on 'the idolatry of a theistic god.' "

What a disgusting inversion.

Anonymous Alice De Goon October 03, 2016 6:15 AM  

So according to this "dynamic, Activist Minister", I could:

A. Gain 100 lbs after being hired as a spokesperson for a diet product company.

B. Refuse to go through Basic Training after willingly enlisting in the Marines.

C. Tell a firm wishing to hire a Chinese interpreter that I'm fluent in Mandarin when the only language I know is English.

D. Apply for a daycare job after being placed onto a sex offender registry for diddling kids...

...and have the right to not be fired over any of this, because it would be mean and non-inclusive. Of course, the Bible says nothing about not being mean and non-inclusive to dishonest, disruptive Narcissists who feel entitled to a cushy job because of the value of their "activism." The crap I took this morning has more inherent value than this apostatic activist - at least there's a chance my crap will make it back into the ecosystem
and nourish a few crops. This activist is guaranteed to do nothing of worth except make people weary of both Atheism and Churchianity...

Blogger Sherwood family October 03, 2016 6:26 AM  

This is why all organizations must be constantly vigilant against entryists and those who wish to remake organizations in their own image.

This is where inquisitions come in because at the end of the day no organizations can hope to survive being hollowed out by termites from the inside the eat away at and undermine the core purposes of the organization.

If organization members are not fundamentally in-line with the stated goals of the organizations (or in this case doctrines/practices of the church) then their refusal should be publicized and they should be expelled.

Blogger Stilicho October 03, 2016 6:26 AM  

William Lind described the proper treatment of such...clergy... in "Victoria".

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 03, 2016 6:29 AM  

Another shit test, a fundy Muslim would have this woman barking like a dog

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep October 03, 2016 6:38 AM  

The picture confirmed all my suspicions: it's the Canadian Cult of the Ceaselessly Cawing Cat Lady.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 03, 2016 6:49 AM  

@10 Stilicho

Beat me to it.

Blogger L' Aristokrato October 03, 2016 6:51 AM  

"...an atheist lead a Christian church..."
Are we in Bizarro world?! Is this real life?

Blogger Dirtnapninja October 03, 2016 6:51 AM  

Why is the UC surprised? They were the first major church in Canada to have gay ministers, a female minister, and one of their Moderators (who leads to church) openly said he did not believe in the divinity of christ or his resurrection. In 2012 they elected as moderator an openly gay man who was married to the man who was the first gay minister.

Its no wonder why their numbers are plummeting. This is church that was once immensely important in Canada..now its increasingly dominated by childless gays and demoralised old people who wonder wtf happened to their church.

Blogger Stilicho October 03, 2016 6:56 AM  

@14 if she were a gay man she could be a Jesuit priest.

Blogger The Kurgan October 03, 2016 6:56 AM  

Look at the freak... Victoria indeed. Opening chapter.

Blogger Stilicho October 03, 2016 6:57 AM  

@14 if she were a gay man she could be a Jesuit priest.

Blogger Phillip George October 03, 2016 6:57 AM  

What's the difference between her church and muhammad's - there's no such thing as Holy Spirit and Jesus isn't their god?
She welcomes everyone. Muhammad welcomed everyone. Just kiss my ring!. Just genuflect at my music. Just do my five pillars/ humanism or Koranic. Freemsaons do something similar. Communists do it as well. Everyones inclusive. You only need to surrender just one or two simple little facts to join the club they offer.

The only thing that separates us is the gospel. All you have to do to get a little look in Pandora's box is surrender just a tiny little bit about who Jesus is.

Job was the Eastern version of Western civilisation for a while. Hold the line Job. Just hold that line. You win everything.
And winner takes all.


Blogger Cataline Sergius October 03, 2016 6:58 AM  

Normally when ministers stop believing in God they become theologists.

Theology being the traditional instrument to allow non-believers to stay within the church.

Unfortunately this imbecile was so poorly educated and trained as a minister that not even that route is open to her.

Anonymous SciVo October 03, 2016 7:01 AM  

Wow, and I know that's a CogDis tell, but I can't help it. That's barking mad.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 03, 2016 7:02 AM  

My last post rang a distant bell for me.

James Hacker: Humphrey, what's a Modernist in the Church of England?

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Ah, well, the word "Modernist" is code for non-believer.

James Hacker: You mean an atheist?

Sir Humphrey Appleby: No, Prime Minister. An atheist clergyman couldn't continue to draw his stipend. So, when they stop believing in God, they call themselves "Modernists".

James Hacker: How could the Church of England suggest an atheist as Bishop of Bury St Edmunds?

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well, very easily. The Church of England is primarily a social organization, not a religious one.

James Hacker: Is it?

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Oh yes. It's part of the rich social fabric of this country. So bishops need to be the sorts of chaps who speak properly and know which knife and fork to use. The sort of people one can look up to.

James Hacker: So, the ideal candidate
[for a bishopric] from the Church of England's point of view would be a cross between a socialite, and a socialist.

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Precisely.


Now they are either so confident or so self righteous they can't be bothered with smoke signals and code words.

Blogger Michael Maier October 03, 2016 7:10 AM  

“I am not interested in remaining in a church that won’t accept me,” she said.

Lying, foul bitch.

She wants to force everyone to accept her, the better to further corrupt the church and drive the sheep away from THE SHEPHARD.

Repent or burn in Hell, whore.

Blogger psychegram October 03, 2016 7:15 AM  

Of course this would happen in a United Church franchise in Toronto. The UC has to be the most cucked exemplar of churchianity on the planet. The only surprising thing about this is that any protest was raised at all.

Blogger RC October 03, 2016 7:20 AM  

A former straight-speaking pastor painted a word picture once, people roaming through hell pulling people up out of flames to examine their face then casting them back, looking through the flaming sea of the vast lost for the pastor who'd led them there. "Be not that man," he warned.

Churches, being run by people, have predictable lifecycles from birth to death, the seeds of destruction planted the day of its founding, an interesting phenomenon to observe if it weren't for the souls hanging in the balance.

Blogger FrankNorman October 03, 2016 7:21 AM  

The Devil is most inclusive and extraordinarily tolerant. You can do whatever you want, whenever you want, to whomever you want. And all it will cost you is your soul.

"All gifts are accepted by Aranaktu".

Blogger Phillip George October 03, 2016 7:23 AM  

Alt West is/ always was a broad church/ big tent. It can survive all sorts of bat shit crazy weirdness.
The bit it can't mess with is Calvary.
Mess with the resurrection and pentecost and you neither have a church nor Western civilization. Both go up in smoke.

[so Russia's on the move? Bunkered in yet?]

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 03, 2016 7:24 AM  

If she really thinks she would retain followers she would have left the church already. She knows she needs to squeeze the last bit of life out of the church's already ruined reputation to get at least a few people to attend her social club. Without their name she would have no one showing up to listen to what are likely SJW diatribes.

Blogger RC October 03, 2016 7:25 AM  

This same pastor was preaching on raising children in the fear and admonition of the Lord and mentioned spanking when appropriate. After the sermon an enraged couple approached him and told him they never spanked their children. "I know," was his wry reply.

Blogger Nate October 03, 2016 7:29 AM  

Well... to be honest... I'm surprised they're talking about kicking her out

Anonymous Steve October 03, 2016 7:30 AM  

Remember when the Inquisition were supposed to be the bad guys?

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 03, 2016 7:44 AM  

Woman ordained in 93, "questions" about God's existence in 2001, waiting until peak sjw in 2015 to come out.

Who knew an entryist would be patient!

Blogger John rockwell October 03, 2016 7:49 AM  

''Rev. Gretta Vosper''

The female name and female title told me all we need to know.

A church with even one woman in leadership is pozzed.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 03, 2016 7:55 AM  

Do-gooders don't condemn others' souls to hell, they only grease the slide.

Our times are saturated with paths to self-destruction.

Blogger Robert Coble October 03, 2016 7:59 AM  

A-n-d. . .

Who would have thought that the same "denomination" (United Church of CHRIST) would include Jeremiah "G-d Damn America" Wright, mentor to His Royal Whinyness Barack Hussein Obama (PBUH)? Surely there is no connection between SJWs in America and Canada other than the worship of "inclusiveness" under the mantra of "Judge NOT! (and screw the rest of that G-d stuff)".

To Hell with Churchianity!

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 03, 2016 8:01 AM  

VFM #6306 wrote:Woman ordained in 93, "questions" about God's existence in 2001.

The lie here is she did not question God's existence. Most people who do arrive at a different conclusion than hers.

She questioned his authority and decided the only way to avoid it was to ignore him.

Blogger guest October 03, 2016 8:07 AM  

At least this woman is being honest with the congregation. As morality goes, this is much more moral than the closet atheists preachers who keep their positions and incomes they receive from the church, while they covertly beguile our children.

Blogger Dexter October 03, 2016 8:08 AM  

''Rev. Gretta Vosper''

The female name and female title told me all we need to know.


No you should also google her image to see the full glory of her smug ugliness!

Caption: "Fuck you, normies."

http://1aon88369c3gtkxjg19cnprs.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/thumbRNS-VOSPER-CANADA080615.jpg

Blogger Basil Makedon October 03, 2016 8:13 AM  

"It’s time the church gave up on 'the idolatry of a theistic god.'"

Really no words for this one. None.

Blogger Sherwood family October 03, 2016 8:14 AM  

By the time this is all over, when things have gone the way that Lind described in "Victoria", we are all going to have become a lot more understanding of the expediency of the Spanish Inquisition.

Anonymous mature craig October 03, 2016 8:18 AM  

Atheist Church ministers in Canada...I always get the feeling from Canada that they are smart and advanced but they have zero interest in teaching their ways to anyone else...Also their 110 yard football field suggests to me "its harder up here so if u are not up for it move along"

Blogger Doom October 03, 2016 8:33 AM  

That is the largest denomination in Canada? Okay, yeah, that is worse than I first heard. It means the largest denomination isn't Christian. Episcopalians do, or used to, have at least one atheist, but not just a "priest", he was a bishop in Cali.

Sometimes I honestly fear Christians. Not so much God, save in a reverent manner. I simply fear non-Christians, generally, even more. False Christians fit in that latter category. Fear them? Or more fear them gaining access to real power? That last, I believe, is what I mean. Especially former Christians, or those who were raised Christian. Those first and second gen feral are real nasty. Oh, well, yeah. Just look around.

Then again, Christians have never had much real power, or were corrupted by it quickly. This simply isn't Christ's kingdom. I really... yeah... I keep thinking not voting really is how I should run the show. Trump? The fence? Maybe, maybe not. It's more that giving them my approval to ignore, or not, my wishes, as they so desire, seems to be going nowhere good. I'm not sure I can support even Trump. It may easily become another political pratfall. I'm thinking about it, praying about it. Even if he is true, on that, it might be better to... just let go of it. I think he will win. I just am not sure I want to be a part of it. That's just me.

Blogger Basil Makedon October 03, 2016 8:42 AM  

@41 Here's how I explain things to people who aren't Trumpers: It is a given that HRC will be just awful and evil and unlike Obama, we cannot count on her inherent laziness to protect us from her-- Sports Center has no hold on her interest.

Trump, on the other hand, is all over the map. Yes, he may be bad, but he may also do some good by accident. We can be assured that HRC will make no such mistakes.

You make a better bet with Trump than with Her Royal Thighness.

Blogger Y. October 03, 2016 8:50 AM  


One thing that endlessly fascinates me is how 99% of atheists and agnostics deny that religion is useful.

They never stop and think about it. If religion were useless, or harmful, it'd have disappeared over the ages. The process of evolution doesn't occur just in biology. Same thing happens in business models, or in memes etc.

Instead, what has been observed is, that more useful religions replace less useful ones. David Sloan Wilson's book "Darwin's Cathedral" is about this. Predictably, r/atheism never even discussed it. Just a poin/laugh club for dolts..

Anonymous MendoScot October 03, 2016 8:59 AM  

Basil Makedon wrote:"It’s time the church gave up on 'the idolatry of a theistic god.'"

Really no words for this one. None.


Well, it depends on whether you consider auto-da-fé to be one word or not.

Blogger CarpeOro October 03, 2016 9:04 AM  

"has begun an extraordinary process that could end up stripping Vosper of her rights to continue as a minister"

There are so many layers of failure for that denomination leading to this point that there is no point in removing her. Any of the faithful left should remove themselves. When you hit the level of Sodom and Gomorrah there is no recovering the vessel. There is only the foreordained destruction.

Blogger Jack Ward October 03, 2016 9:06 AM  

@10
Yes. Col. Kratman would approve of the handling of a 'lost' female pastor as in Victoria. Read Victoria.
I doubt we 'civilized' folk would go far as the characters in Victoria did; though, that was probably the right answer. After all they gave her every chance to recant and accept Christ rather than Lucifer.

Blogger CarpeOro October 03, 2016 9:16 AM  

By the by, my small group last night was discussing associating with others last night. The point was brought up about those without similar values needing to be included in your associations, to broaden your views and not become "too narrow" in your thoughts. They talked about needing to be among those who don't believe to evangelize. I countered that if their base values were not congruent they would become an anchor. Not all are ready to receive the word - evangelism is spreading the word, not getting entangled in the ways of this world.

Anonymous Rodger Dodger October 03, 2016 9:20 AM  

"The Rev. Gretta Vosper is a dynamic, activist minister with a loyal following at her Protestant congregation in suburban Toronto. She is also an outspoken atheist.

“We don’t talk about God,” Vosper said in an interview, describing services at her West Hill United Church, adding that it’s time the church gave up on “the idolatry of a theistic god.”


Yes, because we should direct our idolatry to charismatic monsters.

In any case this is the result of ignoring 1 Timothy 2:12.

As screwed up as she is philosophically, imagine the psychological state of the people that fill the pews each week to hear her nihilism.

Canada Delenda Est.

Blogger praetorian October 03, 2016 9:21 AM  

Remember when the Inquisition were supposed to be the bad guys?

Torquemada did nothing wrong.

Blogger Rodger Smith October 03, 2016 9:22 AM  

1 Corinthians 14:34

Blogger Stephen Davenport October 03, 2016 9:38 AM  

How does an atheist become a pastor of a church and the congregation not leave or have it removed. Failure of the church.

Blogger Jakeithus October 03, 2016 9:42 AM  

"Of course this would happen in a United Church franchise in Toronto. The UC has to be the most cucked exemplar of churchianity on the planet. The only surprising thing about this is that any protest was raised at all."

I have a friend who's a United Church Minister here in Canada. He might be a unrepentant socialist, but he's at least among the smarter of them in the church that realizes this particular case would bring about the quick end of their church if left on its own. I've seen some Facebook discussions he's been involved in and there's a large portion our virtue signalling idiots out there who are outraged at how "intolerant" the church is being in this case.

This is likely a case of inflating the tire of the car while the engine is on fire, but repentance and returning to God is never out of the question, it will likely just take most of the current congregation dying out.

Blogger James Dixon October 03, 2016 9:43 AM  

> Well... to be honest... I'm surprised they're talking about kicking her out

Likewise. She seems to be their ideal minister.

Anonymous Fried Baloney October 03, 2016 9:53 AM  

It's nice to see that bastion of kooks - Toronto - get it good and hard. Very deserving.

Blogger Knoggelvi October 03, 2016 9:55 AM  

It’s time the church gave up on 'the idolatry of a theistic god.

This made me laugh really hard. These people are incredible.

Anonymous Helton Strom October 03, 2016 10:05 AM  

On the bright side, maybe this will be a clarifying moment for the "church" and its followers.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 03, 2016 10:28 AM  

Athiest and Female are not acceptable descriptors for a minister or priest. That's your problem right there. And Canada wonders why we make fun of them........

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 03, 2016 10:32 AM  

@55 This type of bald faced sodomistic perverse fuckery of the language, accuracy, propriety and logic makes me think executions are in order. There is literally no better definition of subversive than this crap. If anyone ever says something like that to my face, I'll be hard pressed not to solve the non-problem they raise that same day. At least it'd be at the very top of my mind for a very long time to come.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft October 03, 2016 10:36 AM  

@49 When you have factual records that other criminals commonly blasphemed during their secular trials in order to get turned over to the inquisition because the inquisitions courts were widely know for being more fair, understanding, and merciful than the secular ones... Don't even meme that. He literally did nothing wrong.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 03, 2016 10:36 AM  

@38 Dexter

No you should also google her image to see the full glory of her smug ugliness!


Look at the left half of her face vs. the right half, Anonymous Conservative style. Put a piece of paper up to your screen if you need to. See how her smile is only on one side? She looks angry and tense on the left side, no smile line there.

If I had to guess who this was, I'd say "SJW professor".

Like Nate said, at least that church is working on kicking her out.

Anonymous Bukulu October 03, 2016 10:38 AM  

Robert @ 35,

The American UCC and the Canadian United Church are completely different entities. Both do share some "Congregational" roots, but these are much more prominent in the US UCC (the Canadian UC has prominent Methodist and Presbetyerian ancestry too.)


Dexter @ 38,

I'm disappointed; I expected a visage much more Dworkin-esque.

Blogger bearspaw October 03, 2016 10:52 AM  

@48
Canada has long been Delendaed. It is entering Rigor.

Blogger VoodooJock October 03, 2016 11:02 AM  

Giving up on the idolatry of a theistic God and replacing it with the idolatry of man.

A golden cow must have been too expensive for the congregation.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 03, 2016 11:07 AM  

There's no substantive difference between what's being openly touted by the converged "United Church" of Soviet Kanuckistan and what's actually believed by the most leaders and members of any church in associated with the SJW/Globalist owned World Council of Churches, plus the counterfeit Vatican II Catholicism under Soros' step-n-fetchit Hi-Fellatin' Franny. As even Barnhardt has noted, those who run these organizations mostly subscribe to the doctrine of "none of the cool folks believe in any of this shit". Vox's observation of the west being marched into a civilizational gunfight unarmed was made for very good reason. If anything, he's likely underestimated the massive extent of the disarmament involved here. Is every church and individual associated with this demonic organization fully converged or an SJW? No and not every one is even a churchian (though I suspect the majority are). Associating with the devil opens the door, however. As noted, leaving it open to one devil and it will bring ten others of its kind to occupy the place. Paying dues or giving any legitimacy to such an organization is simply funding more entryism and further convergence into territory once inaccessible to the enemy. What you see in Kanuckistan in the end result of the WCC's objective.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 03, 2016 11:18 AM  

@22. Now they are either so confident or so self righteous they can't be bothered with smoke signals and code words.

Most are still using the code words and smoke signals. All you're seeing in Kanuckistan in a crack in the facade which reveals the hideous nature of what's within. That which refers to itself by the brand-name of Christianity is at least 2/3 converged either to the 'Judeo-Christian' heresy or the 'Universalist' one (Musloids are really Christians too). Just slightly different paths leading to the same destination, paved - as ever - with only the very best of intentions.

Anonymous Michael Maier October 03, 2016 11:20 AM  

Basil Makedon October 03, 2016 8:42 AM
@41 Here's how I explain things to people who aren't Trumpers: It is a given that HRC will be just awful and evil and unlike Obama, we cannot count on her inherent laziness to protect us from her-- Sports Center has no hold on her interest.

Trump, on the other hand, is all over the map. Yes, he may be bad, but he may also do some good by accident. We can be assured that HRC will make no such mistakes.

You make a better bet with Trump than with Her Royal Thighness."


Trump will encounter NOTHING but interference from the Bi-Lateral DC Party. Anything he gets done will be because the PEOPLE scream out in support of it and frighten their "representatives".

Therefore, anything accomplished will be a good thing.

Unless he just sells out and gives DC everything it wants, in which case he's still not going to be as bad as Hillary.

Anonymous BGKB October 03, 2016 11:21 AM  

The atheist church is brunch with singing.

“In our opinion, she is not suitable to continue in ordained ministry because she does not believe in God

But she has her credentialization.

D. Apply for a daycare job after being placed onto a sex offender registry for diddling kids...

The left is pushing to outlaw background checks

She welcomes everyone. Muhammad welcomed everyone. Just kiss my ring!. Just genuflect at my music. Just do my five pillars

Moslems believe you can do whatever you want as a moslem as long as you are willing to jihad to get into paradise.

You make a better bet with Trump than with Her Royal Thighness

Trump actually wants to make America Great Again, Crooked Eye HilLIARy wants to be president to keep from being Audited in payback for Lerner.

One thing that endlessly fascinates me is how 99% of atheists and agnostics deny that religion is useful

If Bernie Madoff feared burning he wouldn't have cheated people.

Blogger Elizabeth October 03, 2016 11:38 AM  

She can always switch to the Unitarian Church. They're very liberal and accept atheists in the congregation, so I assume they wouldn't have a problem with an atheist minister.

Anonymous #8601 October 03, 2016 11:39 AM  

@48 Canada Delenda Est.

If Trump wins, many Americans have said they'll move to Canada. What is less well known is that many Canadians would love to move to the US if Trump wins.

This would be a most excellent trade for the Americans.

Blogger Thomas Henderson October 03, 2016 11:52 AM  

Doom @ 41
Canada's largest Christian denomination is not the United Church - Roman Catholic comprises about 40% of the population. Sad part is that less than a generation ago the RCs held the spiritual allegiance of half of Canadians; today, only 67% of Canadians call themselves Christian at all.

For the record, the United Church went left-wing bat crazy in the 1960s. It abandoned its stalwart Methodist and Calvinist roots in favour of a broad unitarian approach which left the door open to all kinds of heresies and apostasies. They reap what they sow.

The 1960s saw Canada lose its soul in general. What once was a proud British Tory Dominion with a French Catholic quarter (who with the Irish and Highland Scots descendants pushed the Catholic ratio higher) has morphed into a nihilistic ethnic smorgasbord of no fixed identity or heritage. The flower power decade left this fine dominion vulnerable to the globalist agenda and in the hands of the first Trudeau.

The Quiet Revolution in the 1960s Quebec saw the French abandon their faith and their nation. "Revenge of the cradle" was replaced by a "masters in our own house" mentality which saw leftist progressive politics take hold and birthrates plummet. These quiet revolutionaries even had the audacity to call the previous conservative era "le grand noirceur" or "the great darkness." SJWs always project.

There has been some push back. Cardinal Oulette of Quebec entered the recent conclaves praying for leadership that would arrest the "drift and delinquency" of the current church and world. His prayer was only half answered and only briefly: Benedict XVI was the orthodox candidate; Francis is heterodox in the extreme.

Benjamin Kraft @ 57
"And Canada wonders why we make fun of them........"

Many of us Canadians don't wonder at all. We, too, want to stem the drift and the delinquency. Somewhere in your mirth, please pray for us.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 03, 2016 12:28 PM  

That's nauseating. I suppose this being Canada its far too much hope to think they'd excommunicate her

A Satanist minister would be more Christian , at least Satan is a part of the faith and the heterodox ones believe in Jehovah they just hate him.

This kind of brings to mind the Atheist Assemblies in Micheal "The Archdruid" Greers post industrial fiction. That makes little sense to me but someone like this belong there not in any Christian Church

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 03, 2016 12:29 PM  

Jakeithus wrote:I've seen some Facebook discussions he's been involved in and there's a large portion our virtue signalling idiots out there who are outrhaged at how "intolerant" the church is being in this case.
They need to be invited to express their disgust by leaving. Te UC would be better off without them.

Blogger hosswire October 03, 2016 12:34 PM  

I have no problem with an ugly woman wanting to discuss how to have a meaningful life without God. No problem at all. And there are literally infinite places that she could do that, both physically and on-line.

But this lunatic has the gall to believe that she should get to do that in a CHURCH. In a building that was built & paid for by people to glorify God. While getting paid by an organization dedicated to glorifying God. The delusion & entitlement boggles the mind.

Anonymous SciVo October 03, 2016 1:01 PM  

Steve wrote:Remember when the Inquisition were supposed to be the bad guys?

It seems like just last year! (Because it was.)

Anonymous mature craig October 03, 2016 1:22 PM  

Whether people covertly or openly beguile children, God says they deserve a millstone to be hung around their neck and thrown into the ocean

Anonymous Samson J. October 03, 2016 1:24 PM  

@8601:

Yes, if there's a Trump win that really, truly does show promise of Making America Great Again, I have considered moving - though I also hope and pray that MAGA will spur MCGA.

@Thomas Henderson:

Fine post. I've said countless times that Canada, and her history, is more interesting than it seems, but naturally the Yanx never care, preferring to laugh and sneer without bothering to understand that Canada was Great once too. Just as Britain was.

As a matter of fact I've just finished reading a fine little booklet, called Magna Carta: Our Shared Legacy of Liberty. It's short (can be read in an afternoon), entertaining and quite enlightening - worth a read for anyone here.

What's striking about this book is that it's written by a Canadian academic who nonetheless seems full of admiration for the way that the American Revolution sought to PRESERVE and RESTORE the traditional rights of Englishmen, rather than inventing new rights; and furthermore the author argues that Canada is - and historically WAS - just as entitled to those Rights as the Americans. It's a very unusual perspective to come from a Canadian academic today.

As for the United Church of Canada, my grandfather was a UCC minister and after he died several years ago I read through some of his old sermon notes, newspaper clippings, etc. It was interesting to see that in the 60s they were apparently still within the pale.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 03, 2016 1:49 PM  

The United Church, the country’s largest Protestant denomination, has begun an extraordinary process that could end up stripping Vosper of her rights to continue as a minister.

Just push the bitch off the ice.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 03, 2016 1:50 PM  

It's not like she's gonna go get a real job, she's gonna go find some other soft target and fuck it up.

Anonymous Ain October 03, 2016 1:54 PM  

"The Devil is most inclusive and extraordinarily tolerant. You can do whatever you want, whenever you want, to whomever you want. And all it will cost you is your soul."

Well said. All of God's laws either 1) Protect our body, 2) Protect our spirit. Of course, it's easy to convince rebellious children otherwise.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 03, 2016 1:55 PM  

While you're at it, take out this clown:

“It’s become a question of the church’s public integrity,” the Rev. Don Schweitzer

Stories like this make me reconsider my opinions on torture.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 03, 2016 1:59 PM  

@31 Steve
Remember when the Inquisition were supposed to be the bad guys?
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ZING! My next transformation might be into Solomon Kane

Blogger Technomad October 03, 2016 2:12 PM  

I'm an atheist myself, but I find the spectacle of atheist clergy disconcerting.

Anonymous #8601 October 03, 2016 2:34 PM  

@75 Samson J.

MCGA will occur regardless. Canada will be cleansed one way or another, just like the USA will be, whether Trump wins in November or not. See the new Angus Reid poll indicating that Canadians aren't as fond of immigration as is generally perceived.

I also thoroughly enjoyed the Magna Carta book by John Robson. Saw it advertised on TheRebel a while back and grabbed it.



Anonymous Wyrd October 03, 2016 3:58 PM  

William Lind described the proper treatment of such...clergy... in "Victoria".

Aye. Just aye.

Anonymous Johnny Caustic October 03, 2016 4:03 PM  

It's a bit distressing to me that the supposed "good guys" resort to this-worldly arguments like "she is no longer in essential agreement with the statement of doctrine of The United Church of Canada" and "It’s become a question of the church’s public integrity." The proper argument is other-worldly: "She will not lead their souls to Christ nor to salvation."

Anonymous Raymondson October 03, 2016 4:38 PM  

Canada's history is much more complex -politically,socially and religious -than even most Canadians (let alone Americans)realize. The rebellions of 1837 and 1885,although not as bloody as those south of the border,had an affect on the country as a whole. So did the Depression of the 30s.Whole books can be written about how the Depression changed the country - on both the left and right sides. What is infuriating to Canadians who know history is Trudeau's assertion that history only begins in the 60s when the Liberal Party took hold. A view apparently held by Americans of all political stripes. Frustrating to us here in "the great white north" and then some.

Blogger Bernard Brandt October 03, 2016 5:40 PM  

Hey, Vox:

While this may be slightly off topic, I recently found the following while looking at the Russian Orthodox website. I think you may be gratified to find that the Orthodox have not 'converged' or have accepted the P.C. 'convergence' of the Churchians.

The title of the essay is: 'On Migrants and a Biblical Paradigm'.

Enjoy.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/97513.htm

Blogger collisioncat67 October 03, 2016 7:10 PM  

I can't imagine how dreary it must be to sit through on of these atheist church "services".

That is; having to endure cringe inducing, politically correct, sjw, humanist shit being spewed forth, relentlessly from the pulpit.

"Ghost" in concert more closely approximates a genuine church service then that running joke called an "atheist church".

Blogger GracieLou October 03, 2016 7:45 PM  

First, I would like to say: God, I'm sorry.

@36 The lie here is she did not question God's existence...

“The Antichrist believes in God, but in the depths of his heart he prefers himself.”--Vladimir Soloviev

Anonymous Marvin Boggs October 03, 2016 10:22 PM  

FWIW, the United Church of Canada has been highly questionable, as a whole. for several decades. Some local churches are quite good, but most are doctrinally unsound (to be polite). The denomination as a whole simply leaves me shaking my head.

Blogger Kona Commuter October 03, 2016 10:59 PM  

I would have no trouble believing that this was an Onion article.

Blogger Anonymous-9 October 04, 2016 12:19 AM  

I was raised in the United Church of Canada. They've been converged since forever and were churchian before churchian was cool. I knew as a child that "turn the other cheek while people piss on you" was wrong. Sadly, it turned me away from Christ because I thought he was a masochist. It's taken all this time, and reading Vox Popoli, to understand that the "modern" interpretations of Christ were bogus. But it seems, at last, the UCC may have reached a limit of "tolerance."

Blogger Can't wait October 05, 2016 12:32 PM  

Just another example of the many reasons God forbade women as leaders and teachers in The Church and the home. Burn baby, burn.

Anonymous Hugo de Naranja October 05, 2016 4:12 PM  

@90
I have this theory that we've all been living in [s]The Matrix[/s] The Onion for about fifteen years now.

See also, Poe's Law.

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