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Friday, October 21, 2016

The One True Ring of Evil

The Bucknell Bubble has inadvertently produced a series of right-wing dissidents:
Frequent Fox News guest Michael Malice stopped by The Milo Show this week where he discussed his experience at Bucknell University, an institution which he claimed was ripe with anti-intellectualism and elitist snobbery.

Malice lambasted Bucknell’s culture of anti-intellectualism, claiming that students and faculty rarely engaged with ideas that conflicted with their worldview during his time at the university. I highlighted this in February when I compared the warm embrace the university gave a guest speaker from the Black Panther Party who had a history of violent rhetoric with the reception received by the relatively harmless provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, whose visit inspired hostility from both faculty and students.

Malice partially attributed the culture of anti-intellectualism to the radicalism that dominated many of the university’s departments.  “The head of the economics department when I was there was a feminist Marxist, and one of her themes was ‘since the laws of economics were discovered by men, they are inherently sexist and need to be rediscovered by women.'”

Like many students, Malice expected his university experience to be intellectually stimulating. Always a skeptic, Malice hope to challenge his own views, as well as the views of others. Instead, Malice claims that his peers rarely ventured outside of their intellectual bubbles. “No critical thought. These are the same people who 30 years ago said ‘you’re eating raw fish, what is wrong with you?’ And now, ‘I’m a foodie, you gotta go to this place, they have the freshest stuff.”

Yiannopoulos and Malice discussed the series of dissidents that have passed through the gates of Bucknell University over the past 20 years. “What’s weird is that it seems there is a one true ring that gets passed down. Vox Day was there eight years before me. And then right between Vox Day and me was Evan Coyne Maloney, who was called the right-wing Michael Moore, he did a film called IndoctrinateU.”

“And now they’ve got Tom Ciccotta,” Milo added.

Yiannopoulos and Malice suggested that the university’s continued failure to provide a complete education will only give rise to more conservative and libertarian Bucknell dissidents. “I love the idea that the President of Bucknell is always between right-wing shitlords, is sitting there just wondering which of their fresh-faced intake is going to rear his head as the new evil monster,” Yiannopoulos said.
One of my professors informed me about fifteen years ago that BU's crackdown on the Greek system, which began my sophomore year and picked up significantly the year after I graduated, had an unexpectedly negative consequence of reducing the average SAT scores among incoming freshmen. Apparently, all the "brilliant fuck-ups", to use his description, who had once preferred what was then a party school like Bucknell to the uptight atmosphere of the Ivies, no longer saw any reason to attend what had been transformed into just another Ivy League wannabe with a pretty campus in the middle of nowhere.

It used to be a place for Ivy League rejects, rich and pretty Greek legacies, and smart kids who liked to party, but now only the rejects remain.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that I took one look at Princeton and was ready to leave after five minutes, even before our pompous tour guide waxed eloquent about all-male eating clubs. MIT was, of course, a complete non-starter; we made a perfunctory visit so my father could see his old stomping grounds. At Bucknell, a pretty sorority girl was my tour guide, and she invited me to come to a Kappa Kappa Gamma party. Easy choice. But if I was choosing a college these days, I doubt I'd even bother visiting Lewisburg. What would be the point? If you're going to subject yourself to four joyless years of grim SJW indoctrination, you should at least be rewarded with a name-brand diploma with which you can torment SJWs saddled with lesser degrees.

There were some early signs of convergence taking place while I was there. I remember how weird I thought it was when the administration began pushing "diversity" in my junior year. Diversity? At Bucknell? What diversity? The only diversity to be found was in my sprinter-jumper-hurdler group and on the football team. We were innocents back then, and we had no idea what that signified at the time.

Anyhow, it amuses me that of my entire class, Doug Lebda and I are the two alumni deemed notable by Wikipedia. What a horrible embarrassment that must be for the university. Needless to say, I've never been invited back there to speak.

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55 Comments:

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 21, 2016 6:56 AM  

@Vox

Have you considered threatening to speak there?

Blogger VD October 21, 2016 7:05 AM  

I have to say that I seldom give any thought at all to speaking anywhere. I briefly flirted with the notion when a group at the University of Tennessee invited me to speak back in 2002 or 2003, but then I realized it would involve travelling to the University of Tennessee.

To be a speaker, you need to be more into self-salesmanship than I am. That's why you see people with tiny sites with 10,000 monthly pageviews going around speaking regularly on the professional circuit about how to master social media or whatever, while you never see people like John Scalzi, Mike Cernovich, and me doing so.

Ironically, Scalzi would actually be worth listening to on that subject, as opposed to politics, writing, or science fiction.

Blogger Lovekraft October 21, 2016 7:11 AM  

Critical theory is destructive. I have yet to see it present a rigid, verifiable alternative to that which it destroys, but to them, the closure of factories, causing lethargic economic growth etc are inconsequential.

It is a path of the lazy and dishonest.

The alt-right will destroy biased, powerful identity politics that promote every view except that of the white Christian male and his family. It demands a fair playing field based on verifiable and valid standards.

Anonymous Anonymous October 21, 2016 7:17 AM  

Should the university shake its mjarxist slumber and fire that feminist marxist bint, she would quickly discover the laws of economics! jb

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus October 21, 2016 7:22 AM  

Pretty sure I recall my dad laughing about Bucknell's Marxist econ department back in the early 80s. He taught econ at another private school in PA.

Blogger Ron October 21, 2016 7:22 AM  

Ahem.

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_Bucknell_University_alumni

Blogger VD October 21, 2016 7:26 AM  

Sure, but if I linked to Infogalactic in this particular context, people would assume I put myself on the list.

Blogger VD October 21, 2016 7:29 AM  

I recall my dad laughing about Bucknell's Marxist econ department back in the early 80s.

Oh, they were mostly Marxists when I was there. I did independent studies under Michael Moohr and Robert Chernomas. The former was consulted by the ANC for Mandela's South African Constitution, the latter is an inveterate opponent of McDonalds. He wrote Social Murder and Other Shortcomings of Conservative Economics and To Live and Die in America: Class, Power, Health and Healthcare (The Future of World Capitalism).

Blogger VD October 21, 2016 7:38 AM  

I should mention that they both were excellent teachers. I very much enjoyed my time studying under them, and I would not know the Left anywhere nearly so well as I do without them.

Blogger Brian H October 21, 2016 7:38 AM  

Should've just come on over to Penn State!

I almost went to Bucknell which was probably the upper end of where I could've attended. Glad I valued the extracurricular fun too much.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 21, 2016 8:13 AM  

After I wasted an astonishing amount of money attending a private university among those claiming to be "the Harvard of the Midwest," I told my sons that if college was required for their occupational path, pick the cheapest school that offers what you need, treat attending college like it's a job on which your life depends and be among the top 5% of people in that field.

All went to a nearby state U, and are undoubtedly in the 99.95th percentile-plus of Millennials. Not a boast, not BS, these are men who have jobs with household name corporations, work in engineering and Information Tech, and are doing what we once assumed was normal (get done with college, get married, buy a house, start a family.)

Expensive private schools sell smoke and mirrors. When a "little Princess" visits the campus and exclaims, "OH, I just fell in love with it," know that mom (and dad?) stand in the shade of the most expensive trees on Planet Earth...and they and she will be paying for them again and again and again.

Few young men can make a wise decision at 18. In my view, a much tinier fraction of young women can. Parents who step back and allow their adolescent kids make such weighty decisions all by themselves are idiots.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey October 21, 2016 8:15 AM  

Is there any University that is not fully SJW converged? A kid at my church, raised by Godly parents and sent to a private school, was completely turned inside out for the 4 years he went to a "conservative" Baptist college. He now fancies himself a filmmaker, and is currently working on a film about the history of homosexual persecution in our community. I just shake my head, look at my own kids, and pray I can talk them out of even going to college. They would be better off spending those four years learning a skillset or trade, starting a business, and getting a library card.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 21, 2016 8:16 AM  

The world may need young minds to study political philosophy and other esoteric subjects...but it sure as HELL doesn't need an army of them, and this is what universities now encourage.

Talk about r-selection.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat October 21, 2016 8:23 AM  

Send them to Asia. Hong Kong University or National University of Singapore would give then an excellent education and are English medium. In Asia, there's no time or tolerance for SJW bullshit.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey October 21, 2016 8:25 AM  

"the Harvard of the Midwest" Haha. I got my undergrad degrees at the "John Jay of the Southwest" and the "MIT of the Soutwest." Thankfully, I was on full scholarship, so all I wasted was money on books. Also, I was once informed that Ardmore, OK was the "Honolulu of South-Central Oklahoma." I'm also the "blonde version of Tom Cruise," but I've yet to be cast in the next Mission Impossible movie.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 21, 2016 8:26 AM  

@11, his "Godly parents" obviously failed miserably to instill any understanding of the real world prior to sending Junior off to The Cesspool (Everywhere outside of the home is The Cesspool.)

Long before The Matrix, my sons were immersed in RealTalk(tm) and Red Pill Studies. It was an informal education where lecture and discussion took place at the dinner table every day, and on long road trips for family vacations.

When they went off to college, while their peers were drinking and fucking their way through school, cutting classes, showing up drunk, and otherwise concentrating on Now Now Now rather than In-a-couple-years, my kids knew that they were arranging the footings for erecting the rest of their lives and that everything they did mattered. When the inevitable leftist indoctrination was encountered, each of them knew exactly what to do: look attentive, nod at appropriate places and otherwise tune the whole thing out in favor of mentally rehearsing how to excel on the next test in Diffie Q or COBOL (yes, Virginia, my 25 year old son's first job out of college, 5 years ago, was working on a COBOL system.)

As an aside, I find that kids raised in such an environment take it for granted. Just as kids raised around guns tend not to be gun nuts, kids raised amidst RealTalk(tm) tend to ignore SJW themes rather than feel inclined to battle them. Suck kids are simply too busy living well via ability and acumen to give a shit about the stupid people arguing about stupid things. They know they can't change the world, just make their own corner of it a better place by being better themselves.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 21, 2016 8:36 AM  

As I recall, you've told us your biggest mistake in life was not dropping out of college.

Does that imply you would have been better off not going in the first place?

That's certainly become a much more attractive option nowadays, at least for men and especially those ostensibly white, as the trends that were evident when we both attended college have resulted in SJW convergence in most, if not nearly all schools of "higher" education.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 21, 2016 8:37 AM  

@14 I believe that Thinking Parents try to help their kids avoid the mistakes the parents see that they made in retrospect. I went to DePauw University and it makes me SICK to see, in hindsight, how bad a choice this was on too many levels to list. The reason I went there is a tale of family pathology and psychological manipulation far too painful & personal to relate.

My curses were my sons' benefits. I had a long, long list of mine fields and traps to teach them about. Among my favorite sayings: "I'll teach you to avoid mistakes I made, so don't repeat them. Find your own unique ones to make."

Since I made a large chunk of available mistakes, the pool available for them was thankfully smaller.

Your attending school on a full scholarship is among the few ways still available to beat the system at its own game. Of my sons, one had a full academic scholarship, one (an even better student) had about 3/5ths paid by scholarship and landed an extremely lucrative corporate co-op, and the third finished college in 2.5 years, and not a dime was borrowed at any point in any of their schooling. Each beat the system in his own way at a time when their peers often had no clear idea how to complete college while they racked up thousands of dollars in debt each semester, heading toward six figures for sure. Teaching kids to seek full adulthood is surely better than telling them to "go get the full college experience."

People who play the game by the system's rules are rubes and marks, victims of the con game in which we all now live.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 21, 2016 8:38 AM  

Maybe the alt-right can Alinsky a school for its treatment of straight white men. Of course we know they will double down, we would be counting on it.

Blogger Erynne October 21, 2016 8:41 AM  

It would be one for the ages to have Vox Day deliver the commencement speech at Bucknell. What would you talk about Vox?

Blogger VD October 21, 2016 9:17 AM  

What would you talk about Vox?

I'd use the analogy of Plato's Cave to explain to them that they were about to enter into a world that had been described to them by the dishonest, the intellectually crippled, and the blind.

Blogger Demonic Professor El October 21, 2016 9:18 AM  

VD wrote:I would not know the Left anywhere nearly so well as I do without them.

One of the main goods to come out of academe is getting to know the Left and how it works, thinks, breathes.

I speak, of course, from one who knows. That whole "professor" thing isn't from nowhere...

Anonymous ThirdMonkey October 21, 2016 9:22 AM  

"Teaching kids to seek full adulthood..." Hits the nail on the head. We got married after my freshman year. We had no choice but to forego the college experience for the grown-up experience, and have no regrets.

Blogger The Captain October 21, 2016 9:23 AM  

Bucknell wasn't nearly as bad when I was there ('81), and I was in engineering which was not really subject to that sort of nonsense, but looking back, I can see now that the seeds had been planted. The Econ and Art History courses I squeezed in were headed leftward.

Blogger Teri October 21, 2016 9:32 AM  

Just a reminder of where this all leads:

https://www.wethegoverned.com/hirst-decision-by-supreme-court-unleashes-wrath-of-futurewise-upon-property-owners-by-taking-their-water/

Blogger Dexter October 21, 2016 9:47 AM  

On April 29, 2006, the Board of Trustees unanimously approved "The Plan for Bucknell," which calls for improvement in five areas: strengthening the academic core curriculum, deepening the residential learning experience, enhancing diversity, building bridges with the local community, and securing Bucknell's financial future.

Which of these things makes doing all the other things harder? Three guesses...

Blogger Johnny October 21, 2016 9:55 AM  


I have become deeply skeptical of the merits of widespread college attendance. It only appears to be beneficial because what is at work is social competition. The attendee gets an advantage over the non attendee. But if everybody has a college degree then there is no net benefit except for the actual benefit of the education, and currently that is minimal or negative in the liberal arts.

The whole concept of a liberal education as traditionally defined (Not the current SJW stuff.) is downright detrimental if taught in a widespread way. The thing is societies are not organized around open minded thought, they run on shared doctrine. It never is competition between truth and fiction. Always it is the new BS competing with the old BS. That is where the Social Justice Warrior stuff comes from. When educators are given the ability to teach what they want, what is produced is doctrine that favors the educators. The current version of it is the SJW stuff.

Blogger Dieter October 21, 2016 10:00 AM  

Same deal at my employer, a (formally) Scandinavian liberal arts college nestled in the Frozen North. 20 years ago my classes were populated by blond well-adjusted types who were a joy to teach. Now I have drawers full of letters from student services detailing why lil' Abdul needs extra time to complete assignments.

Now I see no reason for a student to attend this place. Its new Humanities building, or finest structure, is a testament to the direction of the college. Campus Security floods my inbox with warnings about "racially motivated" incidents almost daily, most of which are obvious hoaxes. And they've cracked down on those evil white fraternities. Yep, enrollment is plummeting. Thanks to Adam Cleary, I am enjoying the decline.

Name withheld until I retire.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 21, 2016 10:12 AM  

If you notice these people must be extremely psychologically fragile, the people who run those places won't even allow a person to play "conservative stooge" for the usual flaying of the stooge political theater.

As I wrote above, we on the alt-right can punch way above our weight by using them against themselves.

Blogger RC October 21, 2016 10:33 AM  

One of my sons attended a software boot camp and, at 19, is already making well above the national average salary, will probably break into six figures before he's 21. It's not a bad plan if you have the G.

I have recently been invited to join the board of trustees of a Midwest Christian university. I'm seriously considering accepting as it would, I'm sure, be no end of entertainment. And, who knows, I might even be able to help.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 21, 2016 10:37 AM  

The campus clowns are making this easy. While conservative stooges are practicing the religion of equality the left is re-introducing segregation into colleges with this or that stupid event or club for non-whites only.

God bless the left and to hell with the cuckservative stooges.

Anonymous Sheiko29 October 21, 2016 10:47 AM  

I always thought it was funny that the most diverse groups on my campus - sports, religious organizations, and ROTC - were the most despised by the left.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 21, 2016 11:13 AM  

I should mention that they both were excellent teachers. I very much enjoyed my time studying under them, and I would not know the Left anywhere nearly so well as I do without them.

It's like the art world, where the initial leftist rebels - taught by deplorably traditional standards - actually have some talent, but the leftist hacks who follow them produce kindergarten-level work.

With the Right in charge, if you want to fly you learn to build an airplane. When the Left takes over, you hold a rally denouncing gravity.

Blogger Johnny October 21, 2016 11:31 AM  

The current educational environment is hostile enough to males that they are becoming a minority on campus.

Anonymous Bz October 21, 2016 11:36 AM  

As I understand it, students first of all have to consider the requirements of their profession. For example, if they want to work in BIGLAW, they need to attend a college chosen from a list of well-known institutions and nothing else. Engineers have their special places of prestige like MIT, Harvey Mudd or Caltech. And so on.

Regarding the generic US system, the main thing is that it's tiered:

1. SYPH (Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Harvard)
2. Wanna-be Ivy League (other Ivies and the next tier)
3. Regional colleges, community college, etc.

Here, the strategy if you want to optimize your working life is the following:

1. If you get a spot in SYPH, take it. Many doors will open.

2. Otherwise, the second tier is equally expensive but not at all as prestigious. Only go there if you get a great package and can attend at a net cost equal to option 3. They want to fleece you, and it won't be worth it. Surprisingly many small, weird colleges fall into the second tier.

3. Otherwise, go somewhere cheap. I believe there are many regional universities that are relatively inexpensive and can give you a top class education. Perhaps the foremost example is UC, though I hear it helps if you have a thing for Asians.

(And then there are the party schools.)

Anonymous dagwood October 21, 2016 11:36 AM  

Ahh, safety schools....

Anonymous dagwood October 21, 2016 11:40 AM  

You're right about Princeton, though. That place is a frickin' graveyard. An amazing chapel, and the worst everything else I've ever seen.

They have this bar in the middle of town, it's not such a bad bar, actually (but no Princeton students in it!), and there's this row of photographs on the wall, of all their notable graduates. It runs out after like two rows, and they're reduced to including Michelle Obama.

Anonymous Bz October 21, 2016 11:42 AM  

Papers like USA Today and others actually make good money from ranking universities. It would be interesting to set up an alternative ranking system that accounts for such things as student population demographics, university diversity initiatives, number and intensity of social justice initiatives on campus, grievance departments, and much more.

Just like InfoGalactic, the evaluation of these facts could then be varied to suit the reader.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 21, 2016 12:00 PM  

1. If you get a spot in SYPH, take it. Many doors will open.

Be careful with that plan though - many doors are also starting to close. Observant people have noticed the primary thing students are taught at those schools is networking (and I don't mean in the tcp/ip technical sense). They are their own form of entryists and cause their own form of convergence.

The Establishment still loves them of course, but an 18 year old starting out at Harvard today is betting the establishment will be around long enough to employ xher.

Blogger GracieLou October 21, 2016 12:02 PM  

@32 True about the art world. After Duchamp introduced Readymades, talent-less wannabes were able to get by on BS, using an "Artist Statement" to sell the con. By the time I got to art school the talented were reduced to using the artist statement to justify any display of beauty, realism or skill because those things were "bad".

The irony about my urban art school experience is it was relatively indoctrination free, even art history, kind of like a technical school. They probably figured we were already rabidly Marxist (not so, mostly only the no-talent poseurs). The vast majority of SJW nonsense came from the university classes--sociology 101 and The Screwel of Ed (don't even get me started). My only regret is not majoring in VC.

Blogger Escoffier October 21, 2016 12:20 PM  

On the subject of lack of diversity...

In the distant past I was a cook supervisor at the Boulder County Jail. As a government employee I got to enjoy all the latest brainwashing attempts of our elites so I got to attend my first 'diversity' training.

This is in Boulder Colorado mind you and I'm originally from Chicago.

So the nice Hispanic gentleman running the meeting is waxing grandiloquent about how much Boulder appreciates diversity, and celebrates diversity and he's putting up charts on an overhead projector to highlight the data.

The last chart caused to me to actually ejaculate and begin laughing uproariously. It showed that Boulder was enjoying diversity to the tune of less than 2%!

The nice Hispanic gentleman asked me what was so funny and my response was 'tell me what you think of diversity when you get some!'

When I finally told him I was originally from Chicago he did see some of the humor of the thing.

Blogger pyrrhus October 21, 2016 12:28 PM  

Harvard still has the House system, and I don't see any way they can get rid of that, so a certain amount of Frat party stuff is still locked in...but the faculty has gone to marxist hell. I hear the University of Arizona is still fun, and a good academic school too...Cal Tech is the best if you are very good at STEM, but probably not that much fun.

Blogger pyrrhus October 21, 2016 12:31 PM  

As Ron Unz has written about, at Harvard "diversity" is a huge percentage of Jewish students who bribed their way in, and a bunch of mouthy black students who can't do the work in any serious major. Whites and asians make up most of the real students...

Blogger pyrrhus October 21, 2016 12:39 PM  

@21 VD, your commencement speech would be about as welcome as Solzhenitsyn's was at Harvard in 1978.....that would be epic

Blogger Doom October 21, 2016 12:52 PM  

Cornell was no better. And MIT as well, about a decade and five or so ago? I wouldn't send any child or young adult there. I stayed with one of the professors and his wife on my visit. They were doing something with what had been the chaple... making it all muslim? Or turning out all religion. Can't recall exactly.

Initially he thought I would do. Later, when he found out my notions, he told me my kind weren't allowed. That was no skin off my nose.

I get a sense of evil in Las Vegas. It's actually worse on the Ivys I've visited. In one place. L.V., evil is a failure. At an Ivy, it is considered a success. Even the down-and out addicts know better.

Anonymous Bz October 21, 2016 12:55 PM  

I recall reading somewhere (Higher Education?) that the Ivies actually are quite soft once you get in. Your grandma died again? Of course you can get an extension. Oh, your important extracurriculars made it difficult to study? Here, have a B. And so on. Meanwhile, the lower tier universities are far more hardcore about failing those who don't make the grade. The conclusion of the article was that these students were educated for different purposes, elois and morlocks one might call them.

Anonymous Bz October 21, 2016 12:59 PM  

The endorsement of SYPH of course relies more on networking, social cachet and the prestige of the brand than actual quality of eduation. They are to some degree finishing schools, Harvard most of all, I'd say. Even so, I have to say they often turn out top students (partly perhaps because they also start with the top students).

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 21, 2016 1:05 PM  

@41 pyrrhus:

but the [Harvard] faculty has gone to marxist hell.

How many of them actually teach? Harvard is notorious for having a two track system, most professors are hired with the understanding they won't get tenure, then they hire who they perceive to be the very best for their tenured full professor positions.

That's in general an important thing to consider, who is actually doing the teaching? One reason, quality and prestige aside, a community college or that tier four year college can provide a better education, since the professors are neither distracted by research nor bitter about not getting a position at one of the very top colleges.

Cal Tech is the best if you are very good at STEM, but probably not that much fun.

Well, we might define fun a little differently, although it's got issues of being in the middle of nowhere and not dropping its standards enough to get a large fraction of women undergraduates like MIT did.

On the other hand, it's not universally strong in STEM, nor does it even have an undergraduate major for several engineering fields like aero/astro or civil engineering. It's probably the world's strongest science school, but if you want to do engineering MIT is a much better bet, and you have a much higher chance of getting in, if for no other reason than it's over four times as big in undergraduates, and in general is a much larger school, allowing it to be stronger in many more fields.

I'm also not sure if its CS department is even second rate, MIT, CMU, UC Berkeley and Stanford are the places you want to go for that, I'm not even sure at this point if a CS degree from another school is worth the opportunity cost, especially if you're male, white, and/or conservative, and so on. In general, the myriad dangers many if not most colleges now pose make them a much more dicey proposition, it would suck to try to get a second or lower rate degree, likely pay and/or borrow a lot of money plus the opportunity cost, and then get your reputation destroyed by getting expelled for some sort of leftist bullshit. Maybe worth the risk for SYPH, CalTech and MIT, and other best in the world schools or departments, but the mid- and lower tier ones?

Blogger justaguy October 21, 2016 1:07 PM  


It seems to me that colleges are a sorting mechanism and an unseen shit test for survival of the fittest. It is almost a way to keep those who would challenge the system down by saddling them with debt and useless degrees with little actual knowledge. This becomes easy in, today’s Griggs v Duke world where credentialism is required. Depending on your field, you must show some way of what can you do with credentials. There is a small % of kids who will be able to challenge the hierarchy and they need to be channeled into supporting it or at least disabled so as not to challenge it.

For those 1-2% above +2.5 SDs (140), these are the mosty likely to challenge those who have already made it. Depending on the kid’sdesired life style and work interest, there are the right schools to show that you have the right characteristics for entry. This includes the SJW world with the right colleges, and of course this includes the right engineering or hard science (I dislike the too large fields of STEM) colleges. For those higher on the scale (150+)—most any decent school will do with the right characteristics. Again, for engineering and science, there is one set, for SJWs there is another and so on.

For Biglaw, to get into one of the top tier law schools (14 of them, Georgetown normally holding the lowest rung), there are a variety of ways, mainly getting top LSATs and high GPAs. For entry to the top five law schools—who knows, but it better appeal to the SJWs who run them. However the top tier (AMLAW 200) take people from the top 14 in the top quarter of the class, so one can avoid the SJW hurdles and use UVA Law or Duke to enter a top NYC law firm. (I was in top 5% from Georgetown Law at end of 1st year in 2005, when law firm selection occurs, and had many options into top law firms. This was a second career for me.)

Of course as brought up, very few 18 year olds will have any idea of the selection occurring, nor will many parents. I was much more involved in the selection of graduate schools (only one of the top 3-4 in the desired field) than undergrad for my kids. However the result today is a selection process whereby many mid-wit kids will firmly saddle themselves with high debt, worthless degrees, and a host of SJW culture that will keep them from challenging those headed for the top due to family connections. For rich connected families (less than 2%)-- I have little insight but guess that there is a similar set to show they are onboard with the culture for establishing connections.

What about the 60%+ of kids who go to college who shouldn’t? (using Murray”s idea of 115 IQ to realistically learn college level material). They get 4+ years of fun and a lifetime of debt and envy instead of say the German system where they are taught actually employment useful skills. Luckily with Mike Rowe and others, there is a movement to get these kids into fields where their skills actually match and they can maybe earn a living.


Blogger S. Misanthrope October 21, 2016 1:15 PM  

Agreed and chuckled at the Princeton comment. I couldn't get off that campus fast enough. Though ultimately I intentionally went to a nearly Greek-less uni.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 21, 2016 1:25 PM  

@44 Doom:

And MIT as well, about a decade and five or so ago? I wouldn't send any child or young adult there. I stayed with one of the professors and his wife on my visit. They were doing something with what had been the chaple... making it all muslim? Or turning out all religion. Can't recall exactly.

In 2007 someone I know pretty well who's not at all a SJW type was made chaplain, so maybe MIT changed course, it does have a variety of self-correcting mechanisms, most especially the Visiting Committees, and I can see the one for the Chapel on its next visit raising hell after finding out what had happened. Note also that it's in the middle of a big metro area, you can probably find a good place to worship outside of the campus as easily as you can most anywhere else in the US given the current state of Christianity here.

Initially he thought I would do. Later, when he found out my notions, he told me my kind weren't allowed. That was no skin off my nose.

And it's still a place where ideological conformity is not so strictly enforced, but if you're "conservative" or Alt-Right or whatever, you'll have to pretend to be libertarian. In that, it's probably better than most if not pretty much all of the other top US schools.

Anonymous Mister M October 21, 2016 7:15 PM  

I sat next to Evan Maloney in 7th grade math. We were clowns all the way - goofing off and then acing the state math exam. He got to the right long before I did, but then again, who didn't?

Blogger dc.sunsets October 21, 2016 8:40 PM  

140 is 99.5th percentile, 1 in 200. Just a minor quibble.

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus October 22, 2016 11:48 AM  

Educators first and ideologues second, I had a couple of those as an undergrad in the late 80s. In our English department, believe it or not.

Anonymous Post Alley Alaric of Academia October 23, 2016 4:21 PM  

"I know that I took one look at Princeton and was ready to leave after five minutes ..."

Hopefully your consolation prize for visiting Princeton was visiting Thomas Sweet's -- it's the only part of the visit I actually remember liking.

You were saved from a worse Hell than this that you described -- Princeton is a breeding ground for No Such Agency's science and maths corps. They attract some of the best minds in physics (especially astrophysics) to their graduate programme and then burn through them as if they were stacked cord wood.

Some of them survive to go on to do other things in academia -- I know of one guy who shifted into a reasonably comfortable yet limited gig working as a high-end prep school maths teacher of some kind.

As for Bucknell, it's amusing how their publishing section still manages to squeak out a few academic publications -- I think they'd like to believe themselves to be a rival of Princeton or Oxford University Press these days, but that would involve considerable grading on a curve, so to speak ...

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