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Thursday, October 13, 2016

The Post-Republic DSA

Angelo Codevilla considers the likely state of the Dysunion after the end of the Republic in a pensive Claremont article entitled "After the Republic":
Over the past half century, the Reagan years notwithstanding, our ruling class’s changing preferences and habits have transformed public and private life in America. As John Marini shows in his essay, “Donald Trump and the American Crisis,” this has resulted in citizens morphing into either this class’s “stakeholders” or its subjects. And, as Publius Decius Mus argues, “America and the West” now are so firmly “on a trajectory toward something very bad” that it is no longer reasonable to hope that “all human outcomes are still possible,” by which he means restoration of the public and private practices that made the American republic. In fact, the 2016 election is sealing the United States’s transition from that republic to some kind of empire.

Electing either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump cannot change that trajectory. Because each candidate represents constituencies hostile to republicanism, each in its own way, these individuals are not what this election is about. This election is about whether the Democratic Party, the ruling class’s enforcer, will impose its tastes more strongly and arbitrarily than ever, or whether constituencies opposed to that rule will get some ill-defined chance to strike back. Regardless of the election’s outcome, the republic established by America’s Founders is probably gone. But since the Democratic Party’s constituencies differ radically from their opponents’, and since the character of imperial governance depends inherently on the emperor, the election’s result will make a big difference in our lives....

Rather than talk about how to restrain or shrink government, Republican candidates talked about how to do more with government. The Wall Street Journal called that “having a positive agenda.” Hence, Republicans by and large joined the Democrats in relegating the U.S. Constitution to history’s dustbin.

Because Republicans largely agree with Democrats that they need not take seriously the founders’ Constitution, today’s American regime is now what Max Weber had called the Tsarist regime on the eve of the Revolution: “fake constitutionalism.” Because such fakery is self-discrediting and removes anyone’s obligation to restrain his passions, it is a harbinger of revolution and of imperial power.

The ruling class having chosen raw power over law and persuasion, the American people reasonably concluded that raw power is the only way to counter it, and looked for candidates who would do that.
While it is a polite lament for the death of the US republic and an intellectual explanation for the rise of Donald Trump, what it really amounts to is the powerful case for the #Alt-Right. Constitutionalism is stone-dead. The proposition nation never existed in the first place. Conservatism failed. The Rule of Law has been trampled by the establishment. There is no more Union; the immigrants upon whom Abraham Lincoln relied to save it with their arms ended up destroying it with their votes only five-score-and-two years after the Gettysburg Address.

The former Republic of the United States of America is now the Post-Republican Empire of the Dysunited States of Many Nations.

What comes next? If history is any guide, ethnic strife, war, and the birth of multiple new homogeneous nations. It won't happen overnight, but then, it took fifty years for the Republic to die from its mortal wound.

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95 Comments:

Anonymous Bill the Butcher October 13, 2016 5:44 AM  

the immigrants upon whom Abraham Lincoln relied to save it with their arms ended up destroying it with their votes only five-score-and-two years after the Gettysburg Address.

The irony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJ_OOKQVrU

DOWN WITH THE UNION!

Blogger David Power October 13, 2016 5:56 AM  

Question for Paul Ryan:

Mr Ryan, you say that Trumps behaviour is indefensible and that men should "Champion and Revere Women".

But is that true? Should all men really champion and revere all women?

For instance - How about the Jewish men of Belsen, should they have revered and championed Elizabeth Volkenrath and Irma Grese?

Blogger Lovekraft October 13, 2016 6:01 AM  

The Age of the Lie.

Political Correctness is the weapon with which these lies are relentlessly hammered into a pliable population, using flowery language. As it's lies were exposed, it emerged in the form of a race-hustler President, his legions of blm terrorists, and the vermin occupying the halls of power. The charade has fallen and the Lie Machine is all that's left.

The role of the alt-right is to defend ourselves and our kind, and attack the Lie Machine. The alternative (as I suspect Trump has realized) is servitude and relentless psychological attack.

Good for Trump to take a stand. If he loses, we all know he took the high road, speaking to power.

Blogger Desillusionerad October 13, 2016 6:06 AM  

Re Paul Ryan.
Probably.

Anonymous M7 October 13, 2016 6:08 AM  

Excellent article. I like this synopsis of political correctness -

"Under our ruling class, “truth” has morphed from the reflection of objective reality to whatever has “normative pull”—i.e., to what furthers the ruling class’s agenda, whatever that might be at any given time. That is the meaning of the term “political correctness,” as opposed to factual correctness."

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 13, 2016 6:12 AM  

Is it better or worse for us to make it clear now to the future Equals cult States that we will not accept them giving a national (which is to say ethnic) beachhead to a foreign power?

I'm on the side that it's better. Let's make it clear now.

Blogger Lazarus October 13, 2016 6:20 AM  

It won't happen overnight, but then, it took fifty years for the Republic to die from its mortal wound.

Wait...I did a quick calculation in my head....I don't have 50 years. Oh well, you young folks have fun now, just don't shoot yer eye out.

Blogger Lorem Ipsum October 13, 2016 6:28 AM  

Law Enforcement has a use of force paradigm for noncompliant individuals: "Ask-Tell-Make", and it's become clear to me we're following that in the political realm as well.

The Tea Party was "Ask", Trump is "Tell", and assuming he fails, well, if they thought he was Hitler, they're REALLY not going to like who comes next in the guise of "Make"...

Blogger Helsrealm October 13, 2016 6:32 AM  

I don't want to make this all about women but I had an interesting conversation with one yesterday who works in the financial sector she is a churchain who bought the lie and now regrets it all. The most interesting thing is even she is beginning to sense something is about to seriously go wrong.

Blogger Phillip George October 13, 2016 6:33 AM  

Just 5 days ago Vox the Spectator.co.uk had an article on Cathedrals - not usually considered edge of your seat subject material outside of gothic architecture and photography circles. One sentence in the article stopped me in my tracks.

They are reverting to their medieval function as one-stop cultural and civic institutions.

The article is wrong in most of its narrative but makes this point about the focal point of community life having once been both local parishes and the magnificent Cathedrals they helped to build. They stand like the 4 seasons themselves. We live along side of seasons but often don't really pay attention to them at all.

The wheel doesn't need re-inventing. The resurrection built Europe. Even two world wars could barely dent the granite chiselled monuments to historical facts. Each year the Tour de France passes hundreds of very old parish churches. The Tour can't avoid them, even if it wanted to. Same with America. Every intellectual is a Christian. The future is no less ours than the history belongs to us. Just a rocky road is all.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin October 13, 2016 6:51 AM  

“...the election’s result will make a big difference in our lives....”

Been hearing that my whole life, but this time I agree. Fifty years until it hits the fan? I hope so. But right now I am thinking that how I live on a daily basis will change noticeably based on the outcome. Didn't know it at the time, but this is probably the first election in since 1980 in which that is true.

Blogger Sherwood family October 13, 2016 6:54 AM  

OT but pretty hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osi_dHIr-34 There is a reason the Russians are running cricles around us.

Anonymous Discard October 13, 2016 7:07 AM  

6. SciVo: Absolutely. No new state among whatever rises from the ruins of the United States can be allowed to be a beachhead for any foreign nation. This is my primary reason for opposing secession. The U.S. has had the same internationally recognized borders for 150 years, longer than most countries. But give Mexico or China a puppet state on the our former territory and everything will be up for negotiation.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 13, 2016 7:13 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:OT but pretty hilarious: There is a reason the Russians are running cricles around us.

Amanpour better be careful. She is deep inside the warren. They could expel her for laughing at comments like that.

Anonymous Icicle October 13, 2016 7:13 AM  

But give Mexico

Mexico delenda est.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 13, 2016 7:49 AM  

So why such a fuss of Kaepernic's antics?

Blogger Orville October 13, 2016 7:50 AM  

Better the Emperor Trump, than Darth Hillary.

Anonymous ODG October 13, 2016 7:51 AM  

@Lazarus and @Ian,
You misunderstood. We don't have 50 years more, the time is NOW. 50 years ago was the 1965 immigration act.

Buckle up.

Blogger Whisker biscuit October 13, 2016 7:53 AM  

I always link to articles like the one above, and from Vox and others on Farcebook hoping that my "friends", who fancy themselves conservatives, would read and hopefully make them think.

But mostly they go ignored. The only time I get likes is for simple memes or light-hearted updates. That's it. Reality is either to dark to face, or most people can't grasp the argument because it goes over their head.

Anonymous ODG October 13, 2016 7:55 AM  

Vox et al,
What do you think is going to come of the urban centers when these new homogeneous nations? We have large "vibrant" populations that are not homogeneous with the surrounding territory that will become the new nation. Massive migration? Or massive starvation?

I want to say the smart ones will get out early, but then again...

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian October 13, 2016 8:07 AM  

The Z Blog has a post in harmony with this:

http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=8730

Blogger Laramie Hirsch October 13, 2016 8:15 AM  

End of America. What happened to Trumpslide?

Speaking of what happens after America, consider my speculations on my blog about Christian Monarchy.

It is quite a coincidence that this topic is being explored this week, as it so happens that, also this week, Charles Coulombe addressed the question of a counter-revolutionary movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssKXoZeJ9js

Anonymous Ironsides October 13, 2016 8:32 AM  

As a man who can trace his paternal line back to a fellow who arrived in America in 1615, who had a direct ancestor at Yorktown, and can trace his lineage through all the years since, permit me a moment of silence here ... as I raise the Gadsden Flag and prepare for whatever comes next.

Still voting for Trump, though. That declaration of his yesterday about resisting the globalists was magnificent.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 13, 2016 8:41 AM  

This is simply a consequence of the citizenry's debasement.

Idiocracy isn't a comedy. It's the greatest, bloodiest tragedy EVER.

Americans have been squandering what made this place special for---oh---200 years. The acceleration of that squandering the last 50 just makes it more visible to those who will see.

The press is teaching us that trust is for (the con artist's) marks.
The political establishment is teaching us that rule-following is for Untermenchen.
The political/corporate elite is teaching us that morality is for slaves, and that might makes right.

The ultimate concept of Western society is principle. They are squandering trust in principle, in favor of "whatever you can get away with is good."

This is barbarism. Yes, it's still dressed in a coat and tie on Wall Street and K Street, but it's barbarism. Law of the jungle.

I weep for what's coming. It will kick off with the largest financial calamity in recorded history. After that has run its course, impoverishing most people who are not already impoverished, a period of relief will emerge, lasting long enough to lull people into believing the worst is over (a decade or two?)

The next wave down will eventually set off either World War III or the most uncivil war in the history of the Western Hemisphere...or both.

I'm thinking Rwanda-style, Pol-Pot/Khmer Rouge-style mass murder.

AMC's The Walking Dead is art foreshadowing life.

Blogger Bard October 13, 2016 8:43 AM  

Christian militias. There will be no change without an enforcement mechanism. I am in the process of forming a local one. We are starting with 6 ex military guys, 3 of whom are special forces. We train together and do bible study and fellowship. We have agreed on mutual defense pacts for our families. We have land and houses in country and means. It has to start somewhere, so I took Vox's example and decided to do it myself. We will see how it grows.

Blogger Bard October 13, 2016 8:44 AM  

And a tip to Bob K Mando. One of our exchanges sparked the idea.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 13, 2016 8:50 AM  

@20 I think we all assume that when the calamity arrives, the urban underclass will burn a lot of cities to the ground. The template for food distribution, power generation, etc., IMO is currently Venezuela. Prisoners are literally starving to death. Mothers are letting babies starve to death. Political power is arrayed to take care of an ever-shrinking caste of insiders who undoubtedly are still sipping wine and eating caviar.

In the short run, Federal or local political apparatus will try to seize food, fuel, etc. and direct it to their constituents, but today's America has too many dependents (the democrats' "coalition of the fringes") for that to work for long at all. It could easily devolve into Sarajevo-style snipers' galleries and Venezuela-style (or Charlotte, NC-style) looting of trucks on the highways.

Learn to garden. We're heading to a condition much like that of the late USSR where people often survived on the product of very small plots of land.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 13, 2016 8:55 AM  

@25 Watch yourself. This is exactly what the FBI is looking for, just as they did back in the "militia craze" of the mid-1990's. Authority desperately needed some white "bad guys" to justify all the domestic surveillance and anyone who formed what could even remotely be deemed a "white militia" (or even worse, a "Christian Separatist Cult" [naming rights belong to the MSM or their handlers in the Administration]) was simply begging to be quoted out of context, set up by an unintelligible "audio recording" and sent to prison for long durations.

As attractive as organizing ahead of time may seem, as long as the center has plenty of resources to apply, it will be hyper-vigilant for opportunities to make examples of early adopters.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 13, 2016 8:57 AM  

OT: Scott Adams can be so good, and so f'ng awful: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151737656851/the-era-of-women

"We will elect the first woman to be President of the United States. That’s good for everyone."

UGH

Blogger dc.sunsets October 13, 2016 9:07 AM  

All populations undergo periodic culling. Humanity has had a huge, uninterrupted run of rising prosperity that led to the proliferation of weak, stupid and largely useless individuals. Human populations across the globe are stuffed with members fit only for the easiest of times.

I include my own family in this. Who among us is hardened enough, tough enough, and has been the survivor of waves of viral and bacterial pestilence, to make it under conditions our distant ancestors survived? I suggest the answer is VERY FEW (my family may not be among them, but our goal is to rise to that.) The strongest, most skilled Navy Seal may harbor an immune system vulnerable to half of the creeping crud that may wash over North America. You can't "train" for immunity, not in any way people living today might try. [I aver that remaining well-fed, with uninterrupted access to clean water and good sanitation, is 80% of that battle, though, and you absolutely can prep in that sphere.]

We are poised to enter a time of culling. It may be a once-in-300-year culling, or it could be The Big One, the largest culling since the fall of the Roman Empire and the ensuing Middle Ages.

Culling isn't all bad. It offers renewal of robust humans, and any of us whose line emerges from the crucible merit great respect. Life is the highest of all values, so survival is the greatest of all accomplishments.

Blogger Natalie October 13, 2016 9:16 AM  

Consider organizing things like geocaching, goruck, hunting/fishing trips, backpacking, etc. You can spend a lot of times in the woods with your mates without accidentally scaring anyone.

My husband is not outdoorsman, but he's been talking on and off about doing this with a few local men.

Blogger Bard October 13, 2016 9:19 AM  

I know. But hey, we are just a loose group of friends that do bible study. And coincidently shoot guns as a hobby. The group can only grow by another member vetting new people. We are not starting with family involvement yet. Just the men. One guy owns a jujitsu school so we will also train there for a couple hrs a month after study.

Blogger Student in Blue October 13, 2016 9:20 AM  

@29. Duke Norfolk

I took that line as a rhetorical softening up for the following line: "2. Everything that goes wrong with the country from this point forward is women’s fault."

If you don't preceed with #1, then he'd just be dismissed as "Sexisss!"

It's rhetorical jujitsu because he ends with "Hillary Clinton is all yours, ladies. She and her alleged rapist husband are your brand now. Wear them well."

He of course gets some basic stuff wrong in his underlying assumptions because he still has some bluepill left in him, but he's also very canny with what he says. Dismiss what he says between the lines at your own peril.

Blogger Natalie October 13, 2016 9:27 AM  

I read the "woman president" line as being "Hey, you women clearly carried this one, so you'll have to own it and take whatever happens." Of course this flies against women's propensity to NEVER accept responsibility, but it might convince a few of the badly bearded to wake up and smell the roses. Or not.... at this point I don't hold out much hope for that crowd.

@DC. Sunsets - I need to step up my prep in this area big time, but be looking into things like essential oils, human microbiome (fermented foods), honey, and colloidal silver. If you can raise bees (something to put on my list) honey is good for things like wound healing - particularly burns. Oh, and salt is obviously the last thing I'd want to put on an open wound, but it can help keep bacteria at bay. We use herbs too, but those obviously would take growing and storing.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 13, 2016 9:30 AM  

@ Bard, I'm sure you already know this, but if a member of your group raises the prospect of doing something even a tiny little bit illegal (hey, let's practice with explosives, or hey, maybe we should practice assassination techniques) you're being set up.

I recall 20 years ago that eventually it was admitted that if some "Aryan Nation" group got together and five people showed up, either four or all five were actually working for one Federal agency or another. It was like the Keystone Kops, with ATF trying to arrest FBI trying to arrest DEA trying to arrest Treasury Dept.

Today it's like a poker game. Every poker game has a patsy. If you look around and don't see the patsy, guess what?

Anonymous ODG October 13, 2016 9:30 AM  

OT: Wikipedia clearly shaken by Infogalactic according to the banner appearing on every page:
"Should Wikipedia content be licensed under the latest Created Commons license?"

Blogger dc.sunsets October 13, 2016 9:31 AM  

@34 Natalie. Undoubtedly you're right. 18th century "tech" may well make a major comeback given the fragility of 21st century tech.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 13, 2016 9:35 AM  

Bard wrote:Christian militias. There will be no change without an enforcement mechanism. I am in the process of forming a local one.

I recommend you always refer to it as a hiking club, bible study group, paintball club - anything but a militia. Don't change what you're doing, but absolutely change the name.

dc.sunsets wrote:@25 Watch yourself. This is exactly what the FBI is looking for, just as they did back in the "militia craze" of the mid-1990's.

That's why. If you become known as a militia, expect newcomers who talk about blowing things up, or shooting judges, or getting explosives, or machineguns, or sawing off shotguns. Also expect one of your own to be threatened by law enforcement if he doesn't wear a wire and try to entrap you.

Anonymous slowpoke October 13, 2016 9:44 AM  

Hey vox, are you aware the Cubsmoved on to the pennent series and might win the world series this year? If ever there was an omen of a coming apocalypse that would be it.

Blogger Bard October 13, 2016 9:51 AM  

Right on. We are not calling it such, and it is first and foremost a home fellowship. The rest is just who we are. Forming an offline Ilk if you will. Where there is a need/opportunity create it.

Blogger cheddarman October 13, 2016 10:16 AM  

The south will rise again!!!

Blogger cheddarman October 13, 2016 10:18 AM  

The south will rise again!!!

Blogger Bard October 13, 2016 10:22 AM  

Right on. We are not calling it such, and it is first and foremost a home fellowship. The rest is just who we are. Forming an offline Ilk if you will. Where there is a need/opportunity create it.

Blogger Timmy3 October 13, 2016 11:36 AM  

If the Constitution is dead, what is it replaced with? We are still citing the Constitution to authorize new laws. It is surely a Frankenstein, but the states are still binded by the Federal Government and cannot do its own thing. The first step is for states to control their own borders and this isn't going to happen. States should revoke the Full Faith and Credit clause.

Anonymous ZhukovG October 13, 2016 11:52 AM  

Deo Vindice.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 13, 2016 12:08 PM  

Consider organizing things like geocaching, goruck, hunting/fishing trips, backpacking, etc. You can spend a lot of times in the woods with your mates without accidentally scaring anyone.

I love spending time in the woods, but the woods aren't where anything will be decided. Cities and towns, cities and towns.

Blogger James October 13, 2016 12:15 PM  

I've long said that the ruling class scumbags assumed that when they abolished the US Constitution they gained all unlimited and unrestrained and unaccountable power and authority for themselves, but what they actually did was annihilate all their authority and eventually their power would whither away, being without moral or legal or popular or divine foundations.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 12:16 PM  

The constitution isn't dead, we're just suffering people too timid to use it to its full advantage. They're scared people would look at them funny.

Blogger Natalie October 13, 2016 1:13 PM  

@Jack Amok - point taken. FWIW most of the GoRuck events I've seen have been urban. Heck - even parkour could be helpful? I was mainly thinking about ways to get together with your mates to thoroughly understand your territory/useful SHTF skills whether that's urban, suburban, etc.

In our case we have a couple of bridges between us and our bug out location, and this concerns me. Naturally the idea is to be there before SHTF, but I want to keep leaning on the boys about navigating potential choke points. (Those could be official or riots.)

Anonymous BGKB October 13, 2016 1:52 PM  

Fifty years until it hits the fan? I hope so

That means I will have to eat storage food before it expires at 30yo

12 you should have put the phrase down CNN’s Christiane Amanpour; Lavrov said“There are so many pussies around your P.Campaign

What do you think is going to come of the urban centers when these new homogeneous nations?.. Massive migration? Or massive starvation?

As someone who fled DieVerse City after the 10-12-2013 food stamp system going down for 8 hours( you can still find chimp out videos of it) I will say starvation/cannibalism. I don't believe there will be a "golden horde"/migration as they will have consumed bad food/water before they realize calling whitey bad names wont make food fall from the sky. Here is a cops opinion. https://survivalblog.com/letter_re_a_veteran_policemans/

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 13, 2016 2:07 PM  

Who among us is hardened enough, tough enough, and has been the survivor of waves of viral and bacterial pestilence, to make it under conditions our distant ancestors survived?

You can download the recipe for penicillin and get the supplies you will need now if you think the Nigapocolypse will outlast the "veterinary versions of antibiotics" you have stocked. Get your Pyrex before the internet goes down. https://www.doomandbloom.net/the-formula-for-penicillin/

Learn to garden. We're heading

I would tell people to start with fruit/nut trees + grapes, things that plant once pick for years. A greenhouse for anyone not in the deep south, & maybe a hugelkultur bed that you can have built for you with powered equipment. Tree guilds are a form of permaculture. Focus on easy low work food first.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 13, 2016 2:35 PM  

"... whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
Robert E. Lee, Gen. CSA in letter to Lord Acton (circa 1866)

Blogger Artisanal Toad October 13, 2016 2:53 PM  

"what it really amounts to is the powerful case for the #Alt-Right. Constitutionalism is stone-dead. The proposition nation never existed in the first place. Conservatism failed. The Rule of Law has been trampled by the establishment. There is no more Union"

The real "proposition" of this nation is that all *men* are created equal, which means all men are sovereign and have as their right the moral capacity to wage war. In the absence of agreed upon rules to establish justice among sovereigns (the Constitution) the only recourse to redress of injury is war.

The government established by that agreed-upon set of rules has chosen to both violate and refuse to enforce those rules, but as of yet the problem is not the government, it is the polity. It is the responsibility of the sovereigns to hold their *representatives* accountable for their actions. The masters are, after all, responsible for the actions of their agents.

"the immigrants upon whom Abraham Lincoln relied to save it with their arms ended up destroying it with their votes only five-score-and-two years after the Gettysburg Address."

No, they only helped a bit. The real destroyers were allowed to wield political power in 1920 with the passage of the 19th amendment. As a group, once women gained political power they began to vote in their self-interest to the detriment of others and in doing so allowed what has happened to occur. Yet, it's much easier to blame any other group because most men are not capable of coming to grips with the idea that women are wholly unsuited to the responsibilities of governance.

Again, this is not the fault of the government, the fault lies within the electorate itself. A group of sovereigns established the individual states and the country. The root problem is that later generations gave outsiders (first blacks, then women) the privilege of wielding political power. The crisis we have today expresses itself as symptoms of that root problem and without removing women and blacks from the political process there can be no solution to the crisis.


Blogger Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 3:24 PM  

@53. Artisanal Toad

Actually, the republic was undone by the unconstitutional 17th progressive non-amendment. Fortunately, the constitution provides remedy in Article 5, which proclaims "that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate." The 17th deprives the states of their equal suffrage, which they exercised through their selected representatives, without their selected representatives, their constitutionally protected right to a voice in the government was denied. The remedy is simple, the states withdraw their consent to the 17th non-amendment, as is their right per Article 5, and take control of the senate.

Blogger Artisanal Toad October 13, 2016 4:09 PM  

@54

Your "solution" does not change the fact that 53% of voters are women. The injury cannot be redressed as you suggest, it can only be corrected by removing from the polity those who have proven themselves unfit to be members of it. That will not occur by voting, whether at the local, state or federal level.

The Constitution is effectively dead because those who have the obligation to enforce it (the representatives and their hirelings) refuse to do so. They cannot and will not be restrained by the electorate because the electorate has been compromised with the inclusion of those unfit to take part in the political process. The only redress to that is war and anyone who understands both the nature of 4GW and women should be able to connect the dots.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot October 13, 2016 4:23 PM  

All the same, I saw the writing on the wall and moved out of the Northwest -- I spent a lot of money getting me and my stuff back to Old Dixie.

If "the South shall rise again", I'll be one of the first to argue for the "right of return" of Southerners to a New Confederacy.

It's not just the right thing to do -- those Southerners will otherwise be stuck behind enemy lines.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 4:49 PM  

@55

I would imagine that taking the Senate out of the electoral process would go a long way in correcting a lot of the problems. If you want truer electoral reform, then push for outlawing corporate participation in human politics. And you could push to have anyone who receives any sort of compensation from government, local state or federal, barred from voting. And yes, that includes SS recipients. And, you could advocate that representatives can only receive campaign contributions from within the district they are running for office.

Those reforms would stand a better chance of occurring, that repealing the 19th.

Blogger Artisanal Toad October 13, 2016 5:14 PM  

"I would imagine"

Says it all. A fantasy of your imagination.

But don't take it personally. Very few people are capable of being persuaded by facts, reason, logic or testimony. As the host here is wont to say, "MPAI" (most people are idiots). The problem is you refuse to observe and understand what you see.

You're probably one of those offended by what Trump said:

"When you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Whatever you want. Grab them by the pussy."

Know why the women are offended by that? Because what he said is the absolute truth and they know it. Know why the men are so offended? Because they are scared shitless that it's the truth, knowing that they are NOT a star.

The important word in that statement was "STAR" but pussies focus on the word pussy.

It's just another one of those hard truths about women that men don't want to acknowledge and women don't want men to understand. Because a better way to say it would have been:

When they're highly attracted to you they let you do it. You can do anything. Whatever you want.

Truth.

Those are the people who have no place in the electorate.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 5:33 PM  

@57

OK, I see I've triggered you into going off into an sjw mimicking rant.

Whatever fucktard.

You're probably one of those momma's basement squatters who has never had any pussy since pussy had you and now you want to blame women for your lack of masculinity.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 13, 2016 5:41 PM  

Oh Dear God, our latest Gamma Spergelord is back.

Damn, Dwain, you're not just stupid, you're tiresome

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 5:48 PM  

@59
Oh Dear God, the resident retard managed to find another thread to expurgate his retarded unthinking opinion into.

Damn Snidely, does your momma know you're playing on the internet irritating adults?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 13, 2016 5:55 PM  

Dwain Dibley wrote:Damn Snidely, does your momma know you're playing on the internet irritating adults?
Odd, didn't think you knew any.

Blogger Daniel October 13, 2016 6:28 PM  

Did you read what comes next? That's a masterpiece

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 13, 2016 6:42 PM  

The Constitution iscworking as intended by Hamilton. The Republic died in 1787.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 13, 2016 6:54 PM  

Discard wrote:give Mexico or China a puppet state on the our former territory and everything will be up for negotiation.
Deny greater Mexico anything from water projects and SoCal will empty out pretty fast.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 7:08 PM  

@63
No, the federation died and the republic was born with the ratification of the Constitution by all thirteen states.

But hey, if you have another idea on how we can go about restoring the rule of law and salvaging western civilization, I'm more than willing to listen.

Blogger Artisanal Toad October 13, 2016 8:47 PM  

@59

SJW's always project.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 13, 2016 9:11 PM  

@66
The republic died and the empire was born. In 1865, the empire finally consolidated onto a national unity.
It was not until 1789 that the last 2 former colonies ratified the new compact. And that was after some threats of violence, mainly within the States.
Even Mr. Federalist himself, Chief Justice Marshall, in Gibbons v. Ogden, makes a passing comment on the nature of the States prior to the new compact.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 10:16 PM  

@68
Do you happen to have a credible source for your version of revisionist history?

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 10:19 PM  

67. Artisanal Toad mewled:
"SJW's always project."

Oh snap, such a keen wit, how many hours did it take you to come up with that?

Anonymous Mister M October 13, 2016 10:23 PM  

I linked to the Codevilla article in a comment on an earlier thread. He can really write. A year or two ago, after the Pelosi "are you serious, are you serious" comment, Codevilla wrote something with even more gravitas on the collapse of the whole thing. Claremont is a mixed bag, but AG's stuff is always worthwhile.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 14, 2016 2:47 AM  

Discard wrote:6. SciVo: Absolutely. No new state among whatever rises from the ruins of the United States can be allowed to be a beachhead for any foreign nation. This is my primary reason for opposing secession. The U.S. has had the same internationally recognized borders for 150 years, longer than most countries. But give Mexico or China a puppet state on the our former territory and everything will be up for negotiation.

I'm going back and forth with myself, and I now think the best is to let them form, and then attack and conquer them at the first sign of cuck.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 14, 2016 3:00 AM  

Dwain Dibley wrote:Oh snap, such a keen wit, how many hours did it take you to come up with that?

It doesn't any time to counter a dumbass, you Mormon.

Anonymous Discard October 14, 2016 4:28 AM  

72. SciVo de Plorable: The first signs of cuck will be evident within hours. Voting rights extended to women or non-Whites are a caucus belli. No need to allow a cancer to form in the first place.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 14, 2016 7:00 AM  

@69
Dude, do you read history? What part are you having difficulty with?
Do your own research. Google or whatever search engine will help.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 14, 2016 6:53 PM  

@75
Dude, I read history and the only time I've ever read history as you're portraying it was written by fanatical Marxists or anarchists (same thing in my book) who seek to destroy history so they craft a better future more in line with their beliefs. So I'll ask you again, do you have a credible source for your version of revisionist history?

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 14, 2016 7:01 PM  

So, tell me which aspect you are challenging me on.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 14, 2016 7:26 PM  

@77
All of it. People have a tendency to project their biases and jaded beliefs onto the past and assign ulterior motives where none existed in order to justify their beliefs in the present. I think it's a fair question to ask you for your source.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 14, 2016 7:36 PM  

@73. SciVo de Plorable mewled:
"It doesn't any time to counter a dumbass, you Mormon."

You must get countered a lot. Are you even aware of what you're defending your buttbuddy for? "Mormon", really? OK, you Scientologist.

Blogger bob k. mando ( Grab 'Em By The Pussy And Their Hearts And Minds Will Follow ) October 15, 2016 2:18 AM  

26. Bard October 13, 2016 8:44 AM
And a tip to Bob K Mando. One of our exchanges sparked the idea.



you may not like me but i do hope to make people think about what they're doing.


54. Dwain Dibley October 13, 2016 3:24 PM
Actually, the republic was undone by the unconstitutional 17th progressive non-amendment.


bawhahahahahahaha.

all three of the Reconstruction Amendments ( 13-15 ) are
1 - Progressive

2 - illegal as contracts, due to the use of force, murder and theft in order to induce the Southern States to 'ratify' them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duress#In_contract_law

3 - a bald violation of the principle espoused in the Declaration of Independence that:
"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 15, 2016 7:34 AM  

Dibley, how many former colonies seceded from the Articles Of Confederation and joined the new compact by the end of 1788?

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 15, 2016 7:40 AM  

Dibley, I seriously doubt you read history, the more I reflect on your reaction.
I gave you, prior to my prior comment, 2 data points thst you could research on your own. Then, if you are unable to find the info I am willing to google and find a reference.
There were 2 States out of the new compact at the end of 1788. Fogure that out and then read some history on their course towards their eventual ratification and entry into the new compact.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 15, 2016 10:51 AM  

@82.
Well JaimeInTexas, you gave me two "data points" that were irrelevant to the constitutional point I made. You gave me your jaded interpretations of a couple of events that spun in a way that validates your beliefs, that's all.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 15, 2016 11:21 AM  

@80. bob k. mando said:
"bawhahahahahahaha.
all three of the Reconstruction Amendments ( 13-15 ) are
1 - Progressive
2 - illegal as contracts, due to the use of force, murder and theft in order to induce the Southern States to 'ratify' them"
"

I would argue that amendments 13-19 are Progressive.

The southern states were still suffering the aftermath of occupation into the 20th century. Mississippi and Alabama into the 50's.

States repudiation of the non-binding agreement that is the 17th, would go a long way towards restoring what was broken by the war of northern aggression. And seeing as how the DNC and RNC, which were a product of the 17th, are currently imploding, now would as good a time as any to push the states into repudiation.

We've suffered 100+ years of progressive democracy foisted upon us via a unified congress and it's long past time for it to end. It's time to redivide congress and bust up oligarchic control over the political dialogue. It's time to restore the Republic by restoring the states' constitutionally mandated and Article 5 protected right to equal suffrage in their Senate.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 15, 2016 6:43 PM  

Are you new here?

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 15, 2016 11:20 PM  

@85
Yes, I'm relatively new here, but I've been in the argument and on the journey for a long, long time, before the internet. Given Vox's videos and salient arguments for the preservation and restoration of western civilization, I was hoping for a bit more robust and solution oriented dialogue at his blog.

But perhaps I'm laboring under a false assumption?

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 16, 2016 11:47 AM  

My initial comment was an opinion, just like yours, as to when the republic died. My opinion is based on a lot of reading -I am 56yo.
Heck, the death of the republic could be marked the moment the delegates to the Constitutional Convention decided to violate their agency and created a new a new Constitution.
To split hairs, the terminal desease at the ConCon and reached its terminus at Appomattox.
I did not recognize your name so I assumed you to be new here and ignored the name calling.
As to your assumptions regarding Vox, he may address it. Or, not.
I suggest to withold the ad hominems until you become familiar with us ole timers.
You cannot be more wrong about your initial characterization of me.

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 16, 2016 2:27 PM  

@87

No, the republic did not exist before the constitution, the constitution created the republic.

As for your suggestion, I don't initiate ad hominems, but I will respond in kind, and double down. Artisanal Toad and Snidely Whiplash initiated and SciVo de Plorable jumped on Snidely's band wagon. If that's the way they want to argue their beliefs, fine by me.

And I haven't characterized you at all, I simply made an observation, Marxist, anarchists and the sjws are all about destroying history, particularly white history. If you find that observation hitting just a little close to home for you, well.... Maybe you should rethink your approach to the subject. For example, I find the constitution to be in line with the historical development of individual liberty/responsibility, starting from the Protestant Reformation. The constitution provides historical context for positive action, and without context, you're just flailing at shadows on the wall....

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 16, 2016 4:46 PM  

Ooohkay. You are an ass. You a are nowhere close to hit anything. You are the one needing to rethink.
So, what was the entity created with the Articles Of Confederation? Have you even heard of it before?

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 16, 2016 5:35 PM  

@89
Yes, I'm familiar with the Articles of Confederation. They did not create or form a republic and John Hanson wasn't the first president of the United States as that too, was a product of the constitution.

Please explain why you feel the articles, which were superseded by the Constitution, are relevant to the conversation. What point are you attempting to make by bringing them up?

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 16, 2016 7:44 PM  

These uSA was established by the Constitution of 1787.
Were the AoC a republic, yes or no?

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 16, 2016 10:14 PM  

@91
Isn't it funny that you presume to grill me, while dodging my questions....

No, the AoC did not form a republic, it formed a loose confederation of nation states via an impotent congress chaired by a ceremonial president. Not to belittle what was accomplished while the AoC presided, after all, it was in place for the end of the revolutionary war and the removal of all foreign troops from our shores and it did give us thanksgiving, but it did not represent a true republic and it was already falling apart when the Grand Convention at Philadelphia convened.

Now answer my questions: Please explain why you feel the articles, which were superseded by the Constitution, are relevant to the conversation. What point are you attempting to make by bringing them up?

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 17, 2016 7:59 AM  

What is the definition of republic?

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 17, 2016 10:32 AM  

@93
Please explain why you feel the articles, which were superseded by the Constitution, are relevant to the conversation. What point are you attempting to make by bringing them up?

Blogger Dwain Dibley October 17, 2016 10:42 AM  

@93
While you're answering my questions, why don't you include why you believe the AoC formed a republic and its relevance to today.

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