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Saturday, October 15, 2016

USA contemplates WWIII

It may not sound that way. At least, not yet. But keep in mind the Pentagon's doctrine concerning cyberwarfare announced in 2011.
The Pentagon has concluded that computer sabotage coming from another country can constitute an act of war, a finding that for the first time opens the door for the U.S. to respond using traditional military force.

The Pentagon's first formal cyber strategy, unclassified portions of which are expected to become public next month, represents an early attempt to grapple with a changing world in which a hacker could pose as significant a threat to U.S. nuclear reactors, subways or pipelines as a hostile country's military.

In part, the Pentagon intends its plan as a warning to potential adversaries of the consequences of attacking the U.S. in this way. "If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks," said a military official.
Now consider yesterday's announcement concerning the Obama administration's desire to launch a cyberattack on Russia:
The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

Current and former officials with direct knowledge of the situation say the CIA has been asked to deliver options to the White House for a wide-ranging "clandestine" cyber operation designed to harass and "embarrass" the Kremlin leadership.

The sources did not elaborate on the exact measures the CIA was considering, but said the agency had already begun opening cyber doors, selecting targets and making other preparations for an operation.
So, by the USA's own logic:
  1. Cyberwarfare is an act of war.
  2. Acts of war can legitimately be responded to by traditional military force.
  3. The Obama administration is considering cyberattacks on Russia.
  4. If Russia responds to those cyberattacks with traditional military force, its response will be legitimate.
Translation: the neocons are trying to launch a war with Russia in revenge for Putin bringing the oligarchs to heel and threatening the increasing instability of the US Imperium. They won a Pyrrhic victory in Ukraine, they're losing badly in Syria, and now they're desperate to reverse a trend that has the potential to build into an avalanche.

Fortunately, as the article reveals, more sober and experienced CIA hands are dubious about the idea. Personally, I doubt the Obama administration will do anything at all before January, because Obama doesn't want to do anything but play out the string before hitting the links and the lucrative speech circuit.

And in his position, isn't that exactly what you would do?

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105 Comments:

Blogger Lobo Util October 15, 2016 8:14 AM  

Russia's response should be:
If the USA cyber-attacks us, we will cause a small metropolitan area's power grid to go dark, and then allow it to come back up. Just the threat would be a nice shot across the bow.

Blogger tridekka October 15, 2016 8:23 AM  

Preferably somewhere with a high dindu percentage on one of the EBT recharge days.

Anonymous Cinco October 15, 2016 8:27 AM  

And why exactly did we put our power grid ON THE INTERNET!?

Blogger Kant Leerus October 15, 2016 8:29 AM  

Earlier this year I was reading on some Chinese blog about some military official or another interviewed about Mach 9 missiles being installed along certain coastal areas of China in case there is some issue with the USA in regard of Taiwan or Korea... designed to take out aircraft carriers..

This may be gossip, but if these reports were true, then I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it over "cyber offenders". Having read Kissingers world order, one may note that he is right that the damaged caused by cyber attacks are difficult to monetarily estimate... but provoking another nation into war ? Seems absurd. Perhaps only Russia will be targeted over alleged "cyber attacks" ?

Blogger Bogey October 15, 2016 8:31 AM  

Before we start a cheer section for Russia, do you really think "embarrass" is the same as "shut down our power grid" and is cause for traditional military retaliation.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 15, 2016 8:35 AM  

More insanity from Obummer. The question is this: Is he serious, or just bluffing.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 15, 2016 8:36 AM  

Very odd type of diplomacy, and extremely dangerous sabre rattling. Neither US or Russian gov'ts would telegraph such an attack (if they were sane), and the NSA not CIA would be the likely party for the US responses. I am not certain that the parties involved in floating this story realize how volatile this could become -- and quickly.

Blogger Bogey October 15, 2016 8:38 AM  

If they truly believe Russia has interfered with the American presidential election, this would be a measured response.

Blogger VD October 15, 2016 8:38 AM  

Before we start a cheer section for Russia, do you really think "embarrass" is the same as "shut down our power grid" and is cause for traditional military retaliation.

Talk to the Pentagon. It's their doctrine.

Blogger ZhukovG October 15, 2016 8:39 AM  

@ Bogey: If a cyber attack is casus belli; then a traditional response is justified. Whether or not a response is prudent is another matter entirely.

Blogger Bogey October 15, 2016 8:39 AM  

Really depends on what they mean by "sabotage".

Blogger Bogey October 15, 2016 8:49 AM  

@10 ZhukovG, cyberwarfare is too broad of category to justify traditional warfare. A rational person would realize that a war caused by bringing to light the personal vices and dirty dealings of government officials would rapidly loose support once artillery came to bore.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 15, 2016 8:49 AM  

Bogey wrote:If they truly believe Russia has interfered with the American presidential election, this would be a measured response.

But it could also be the reason for Putin to pop into the Ukraine for a visit in response. The Cold War wasn't played this way -- this is dangerous territory to be threatening cyber attacks when States and their populations depend heavily on what computer networks provide and control.

[There's my scary thought-to-self for the morning.]

Blogger Johnny October 15, 2016 8:49 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:More insanity from Obummer. The question is this: Is he serious, or just bluffing.

Obummer is doing what Obummer always does, playing out everything for political gain. Plus there is a momentum to events. Bluffing or not may not make a difference. What disgusting leadership we have just now.

Blogger RC October 15, 2016 8:51 AM  

They've battled too long and hard to attain VA Day to let a mere American patriot be elected to POTUS. Apparently the stakes are sufficiently large to contemplate a nuclear false flag, all this from people so ignorant they can't even keep their e-mail accounts secure.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 15, 2016 8:51 AM  

CNN's done a lot more to interfere with the election.

Why can't the Pentagon bomb them?

Blogger Johnny October 15, 2016 8:51 AM  

And to broach another subject, I wonder what their doctrine is on state sponsored terrorism. We seem strangely lenient in that area.

Blogger N Matheson October 15, 2016 8:53 AM  

The current US administration are so utterly incompetent I have almost no concern at all. That said I seem to remember Dmitry Orlov discussing the economic situation Russia vs USA. I think he implied Russia could just bankrupt the USA very quickly.
In any case a soft war if far more likely. Unpleasant, costly, of no benefit to citizens of either country but not armageddon. The traditional US allies are in absolutely no position to help.

Blogger ZhukovG October 15, 2016 8:54 AM  

@ Bogey: You appear to be either unable or unwilling to grasp the point. Your argument is with the Pentagon, not us.

Blogger Lovekraft October 15, 2016 8:55 AM  

Let's not forget China. Cannot be counted out to jump in after the dust has settled and pick up the scraps.

Blogger Lovekraft October 15, 2016 8:57 AM  

@ 14 Johnny: "Obummer is doing what Obummer always does, playing out everything for political gain."

In this Age of the Lie, NoBordersBarack is the arch-architect.

Blogger Rodger Smith October 15, 2016 8:58 AM  

A reasonable person might be expected to retire gracefully and hit the links.

I am more concerned Obama will declare Russia's interference has invalidated the election.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer October 15, 2016 8:59 AM  

Let's analyse this insanity for what it is. "You exposed my political party for for being corrupt and hating the people of our country. Now we must use the government assets of those people we hate to commit and act of war as retaliation for your attack on my political party." I believe using government assets to benefit your party is generally termed "abuse of power".

Blogger Bogey October 15, 2016 9:01 AM  

@ZhukovG The idea here is justifiable war against the US from wording used by the US 2011. Putin is a rational man...I hope.

Blogger LES October 15, 2016 9:05 AM  

What kind of mess will Obama leave if Trump wins?

Blogger ZhukovG October 15, 2016 9:06 AM  

@Bogey: Yes, no one is arguing the prudence of such an act, only the precedent being suggested by the Pentagon's opinion.

Hopefully Putin and Obama have the sense to ignore that glorified circle jerk we call the JCS.

Blogger Cynic In Chief October 15, 2016 9:07 AM  

I wholly endorse this idea. The more hoaxes and fabricated stories they do, the more I would love to see them all blown from guns.

Blogger Sherman Broder October 15, 2016 9:08 AM  

It's Obama's ultimate contribution to the Clinton campaign: an October surprise playing into Dem fear-mongering that The Donald is just the kind of unstable maniac you don't want in the White House with his finger on the button.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 15, 2016 9:12 AM  

Sherman Broder wrote:It's Obama's ultimate contribution to the Clinton campaign: an October surprise playing into Dem fear-mongering that The Donald is just the kind of unstable maniac you don't want in the White House with his finger on the button.

Too easy for Trump to turn that around saying Obama is in control and Hillary wants to continue his policies -- "why does Democratic Leadership want war with Russia?" Trump has no hands on the levers of power at this time; they do.

Blogger Kant Leerus October 15, 2016 9:18 AM  

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Blogger RC October 15, 2016 9:21 AM  

OT: The Kansas City Star reports that three white men were arrested in Garden City, Kansas as they allegedly planned to bomb an apartment complex of Somali refugees and their makeshift mosque to "wake people up." The plot was discovered by an undercover FBI agent or informant before the bombing took place. Assuming they were seriously planning to carry this through, the USG may have actually thwarted an attack.

That area is a land of massive cattle feedlots, full of Mexicans working the packing plants - hard, physical labor that white men were once able to perform.

These Somalis drew the short straw. I'd be moving to Minnesota. Just more evidence that massive migration encourages violence.

Blogger Kant Leerus October 15, 2016 9:21 AM  

China already exports their citizens to every corner of the world.. they play Weiqi (Chinese chess). Put your flag in a place and grow - beat the opposition with greater numbers in future generations... whites knew this a hundred years ago, they seem to know very little now

Blogger Johnny October 15, 2016 9:27 AM  

"The current US administration are so utterly incompetent I have almost no concern at all."

Incompetence produces greater hazard.

Blogger CM October 15, 2016 9:31 AM  

I'm not convinced Russia did the hacking. Is there a reason for this assumption outside of trolling lefties?

Blogger Salt October 15, 2016 9:31 AM  

Were the mighty Imperial USA, or so we're told. We have the best military in the world, or so we're told. We have the best of the best of everything. But we can't firewall against foreign hackers. Yes, Hillary's private server was breached. Could not be otherwise. Instead of targeting military cyber systems, or systems that would be of true benefit in any conflict, the Russians target our political system in support of Trump, whom they might just be able to get along with. Right.

Forget Syria. Trump is more dangerous to the power elites than a nuclear Russia with its finger poised over the button. What the DNC isn't able to do itself, perhaps they can get Russia to do for them, militarily.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 15, 2016 9:36 AM  

Who cares about Global Thermonuclear War? Trump said "Uncle Tom"!!!!!!

So, every time the CIA or State Department meddles in another nation's election that nation is justified in retaliating? I hate hypocrites worse than anything else that walks this earth.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 15, 2016 9:40 AM  

RC wrote:The plot was discovered by an undercover FBI agent or informant before the bombing took place. Assuming they were seriously planning to carry this through, the USG may have actually thwarted an attack.

Doubtful, odds are the three men were semi retarded meth heads who couldn't pour piss out of a boot and couldn't scratch together more than $20 at any point in time. Most of these FeeBI stings are nothing but entrapment.
Any group member that suggests an illegal action is an informant and a snitch and should be shunned. Especially if they can supply the money, guns, or bombs.

Anonymous Bz October 15, 2016 9:51 AM  

Given the thorough NSA/Five Eyes infiltration of the internet, it would appear very easy for one side or another to inadvertently set off a war if this doctrine is applied by all actors. Subordinates could easily provide a cause of war, possibly without even knowing it themselves.

For instance, it looks to me like Germany by the same doctrine has a casus belli due to the USA snooping on Merkel. (Not that it will be used. But it's there.) Iran also has a casus belli on Israel and the US due to their StuxNet worm famously crashing Iranian infrastructure a couple of years ago.

However, if I were a jihadist, I would grin uncontrollably at the thought of launching cyber attacks from Western Europe and Canada on the US.

Also, just a thought, would the consequence be that congress has to vote on, say, hacking the Russians? Because it would be an act of war.

There seem to be many practical problems with this doctrine, partly due to the brokenness of the internet and public policy around it, at least if you accept that others will follow suit.

Blogger James Dixon October 15, 2016 9:53 AM  

> If they truly believe Russia has interfered with the American presidential election, this would be a measured response.

If they truly believe Russia has "interfered with the American presidential election" in any way that mattered, they're delusional. Oh, wait a minute, this is the democrats you're talking about...

Blogger Escoffier October 15, 2016 9:59 AM  

The problem with presuming on the sanity of world leaders is there are so few facts in evidence!

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 15, 2016 10:01 AM  

So, by the USA's own logic: #5 Affirmative action govt workers will be smart enough to know where the attacks come from, ie USS LIBERTY

Russia's response should be:If the USA cyber-attacks us, we will cause a small metropolitan area's power grid to go dark

I don't think Russia is capable of remotely taking down just one metro area, if they take down one there will likely be a cascade. If NYC power goes down don't be suppressed if the entire east coast follows.

Obama will declare Russia's interference has invalidated the election.

If anything the Russian hacking will be to remove Soros bias.

that three white men were arrested in Garden City, Kansas as they allegedly planned to bomb an apartment complex of Somali refugees and their makeshift mosque to "wake people up."

Seriously if you are going to admit to attacking moslems say its to stop them from raping little white kids. They should have done it in Twin Falls Idaho where 3 moslems shot obamaphone video of themselves raping a 5yo white girl.

Anonymous Eric the Red October 15, 2016 10:11 AM  

'administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News'

!!! false flag false flag !!!

This kills two birds with one stone... when (TPTB) enact their massive voter fraud, they can blame it on the Russians, then also have a handy excuse to start some kind of military action somewhere [Russia ? Syria ? Ukraine ? who knows].

Blogger Badger Brigadon October 15, 2016 10:21 AM  

This is a classic case of 'supporting a lie'. The lie in this case being the DNC's attempt to link Trump to Russia, and blame their shitty security systems on russian Hackers.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 15, 2016 10:25 AM  

I don't think this can be blamed on neocons. The Democrats have been making bad national security policy decisions for over 200 years all by themselves. And Obama is particularly arrogant and stupid.

Anonymous Godfrey October 15, 2016 10:27 AM  

We live under an unaccountable rogue government.

The neocons are the curse of humanity.

Blogger Nick S October 15, 2016 10:29 AM  

Clinton is the personification of evil. If God chooses to allow that monster to become POTUS rather than installing Trump, I can only conclude that the end is indeed nigh and it must be allowed to play out.

In the meantime, If I could give Trump one piece of advice for the upcoming debate it would be to allow Hillary to carry on about all these women accusers then turn to her and simply ask, "Hillary, do you think Bill was a good president?" and leave it hanging. Not another word about it. At that point, he would be in her head.

Anonymous Punisher October 15, 2016 10:29 AM  

Obama is committed to doing anything that takes the investigation off of he and Hillary. Stopping Trump is the only way to save his own skin when those 33,000 e-mails are finally revealed.

Blogger Lazarus October 15, 2016 10:31 AM  

Johnny wrote:Obummer is doing what Obummer always does, playing out everything for political gain.

I don't think its Obama's idea. I am sticking with the "no one is actually in charge" theme.

Blogger James Dixon October 15, 2016 10:32 AM  

> The neocons are the curse of humanity.

Say, what generation do most of the neocon's belong to anyway?

Blogger ZhukovG October 15, 2016 10:33 AM  

It appears we have entered the terminal phase of our American Empire. It is not that Russia or China can beat us, but rather that normal American citizens will be increasingly unwilling to fight and die for a vile and alien elite. An elite who, in this election, have fully revealed themselves as the disgusting creatures that they are.

A similar dynamic is occurring in Europe; with the same results.

Anonymous Sharrukin October 15, 2016 10:46 AM  

43. Napoleon 12pdr October 15, 2016 10:25 AM

"I don't think this can be blamed on neocons. The Democrats have been making bad national security policy decisions for over 200 years all by themselves."

The difference between Neo-cons and Democrats isn't all that significant aside from the audience they pander to.

Anonymous paradox October 15, 2016 10:46 AM  

Democrats will nuke restrooms over a gender narrative. Of course these mental patients would nuke an entire planet to save face.

Blogger Johnny October 15, 2016 10:56 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Johnny wrote:Obummer is doing what Obummer always does, playing out everything for political gain.

I don't think its Obama's idea. I am sticking with the "no one is actually in charge" theme.


You can't get crazy about this stuff, overdo it, but in general you should blame the leader because he is the one who appointed the followers. Otherwise there is no accountability.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 15, 2016 10:57 AM  

While it is generally folly to disagree with the Dark Lord, on this one I have some quibbles.

Where Obama and his cabal are concerned, there is a big error whenever saying 'Isn't that what you would do?" Because their victory conditions are not our victory conditions. It is very similar to the essays that went around when Obama was originally elected that went along the line of, "Don't worry, fellow conservatives, if Obama wants to succeed he'll have to do X" But Obama didn't want to succeed, not by our lights. No sane group of people with any humanity would want the Muslim Brotherhood in charge of anything but it was clearly his policy to give them as much power as possible. He had different victory conditions.

The second error is to overestimate the level of power Obama has as a leader. We are told in the rumor mill that Obama had to essentially be tricked into approving the hit on Osama bin Laden, for example; dragged off the golf course with the helicopters in flight just needing his final approval to cross the Pakistani border accompanied by the threat that Bill Clinton had denied just these sorts of raids before three times and look at what happened.

So, a normal person would definitely run out the clock. But Obama has shown evidence of wanting to stay in the Washington area; of wanting to remain where the press is, of wanting to be an activist ex-President to continue fighting his goals. He's a true believer, while he may be lazy as a person he's not a stopper or a quitter. It's what he does every day.

And Obama's cabal have shown that they will put military plans into effect and just call in Obama at the last minute and pressure him for the rubber stamp. Now, the war in Syria is different from Obama bin Laden - but you'll note that the media is doing their best to pump it up and give us reasons for it. They have a long way to go to make Assad equal to bin Laden and they're going about it wrong, but they're certainly trying.

So I think the chances of the Obama Administration doing something really dumb - and Obama not stopping them when it hits his desk for the final approval - are pretty high.

Blogger Lazarus October 15, 2016 11:02 AM  

Johnny wrote:You can't get crazy about this stuff, overdo it, but in general you should blame the leader because he is the one who appointed the followers. Otherwise there is no accountability.

Wikileaks says Citigroup picked his cabinet:

The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 15, 2016 11:14 AM  

Obama doesn't want to do anything but play out the string before hitting the links and the lucrative speech circuit.

And in his position, isn't that exactly what you would do?


Yes, but in addition, I would also have sex with a woman.

Anonymous Garrulus October 15, 2016 11:20 AM  

Another downside of this cyber warfare is that it's even more impossible to verify events from the outside than with kinetic warfare, and it can be used to cover their own incompetence etc. It's going to be a complete shit show they can spin any way they want.

Blogger Robert What? October 15, 2016 12:01 PM  

Where is the antiwar movement when you need it? They've gone completely dormant under Obama. Apparently "Regime Change" and "Nation Building" are bad under a Republican President, but good under a Democrat President?

Anonymous Longtime Lurker October 15, 2016 12:04 PM  

The Obama Administration/DNC are probably freaked out that worse "cyber" revelations are coming. The NBC story is the administration's signal to Moscow (and the terrified Democratic Party cognoscenti) that turnabout is fair play. Not that Moscow really cares. After all, the US wasted no opportunity to mess with Russian domestic politics when Bill Clinton was in office.

Blogger Anonymous-9 October 15, 2016 12:05 PM  

***And in his position, isn't that exactly what you would do?***

No that's not what I would do. I would save the effing country. But assuming I were as mentally deranged as Obama, that might not be what "I'd" do either. Because Obama is driven by a raging madness to hate and punish America, and "leaving well enough alone" is not in the DNA of the self-loathing prog. Such a person, seeing the sack of Rome within reach, might double down.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr October 15, 2016 12:20 PM  

@59: Much as I detest Carter, I have to admit that he did his job up until 1200 EST 20 Jan 1981. No shirking.

Anonymous Gen. Kong October 15, 2016 12:31 PM  

Housenigga Hussein is merely a step-n-fechit for his masters - whose names are more along the lines of Soros, Zuckerberg, Gates, Buffet, Llord Bankstein, etc. He'll do what he's ordered to do, or some 300-kb. 65-year old white guy in a wheelchair will mange to empty the contents of a rusty revolver into his chest at point blank rank while the Secret Service's finest manage to be too late to stop it.

Given the idiocracy's penchant for believing whatever they are told is truth by the (((media))), the story would go out that the shooter was acting on orders telepathically transmitted by Trump and Milo received in a loose dental filling.

Blogger J Van Stry October 15, 2016 12:33 PM  

You're assuming Obama is in complete control.
Who would a nuclear war help?
Well, among other things, Iran would gain lots of power as it develops its own arsenal and power in the ME.
And Iran has a lot of influence in the Obama Whitehouse, as Obama's top advisor is an Iranian.

OpenID randkoch October 15, 2016 12:38 PM  

Gotta quibble here:

In itself, "Russian interference in the American presidential election" is an act of war. There's no question about that. Take that with the earlier post that Putin wants Trump to win, and you have motive.

This means we're in it already, and Obama is looking for a harsh response that isn't an escalation.

The real issue for Obama is only that Russian interference goes against his own interests. Obama has been interfering with the election by encouraging non-citizens to invade and then vote. He'd have gladly welcomed Russian interference if Putin supported Hillary.

OT: Still waiting on my password.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 15, 2016 12:40 PM  

In itself, "Russian interference in the American presidential election" is an act of war.

There is ZERO evidence of this. You don't go to war on speculation, or on the word of Hillary bloody Clinton.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 15, 2016 12:43 PM  

Johnny wrote:but in general you should blame the leader

No one with true power has been in the public spotlight since the French Revolution. Politicians are mindless puppets bought and paid for (or blackmailed) to do the bidding of people we will never see or know.

OpenID randkoch October 15, 2016 12:49 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Where is the antiwar movement when you need it? They've gone completely dormant under Obama. Apparently "Regime Change" and "Nation Building" are bad under a Republican President, but good under a Democrat President?

That's a good question. Anti-war movements tend to be frauds of the worst sort. Some of them were opposed to Obama's actions before, but only because some of our enemies oppose Obama, too. Those that support Russian interests are probably working on this somewhere.

OpenID randkoch October 15, 2016 12:52 PM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:In itself, "Russian interference in the American presidential election" is an act of war.

There is ZERO evidence of this. You don't go to war on speculation, or on the word of Hillary bloody Clinton.


"Remember the Maine!"

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 15, 2016 1:21 PM  

The Russkies aren't beating us at sigint, but they might be beating us at humint. So this is purely warmongering.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 15, 2016 1:23 PM  

We would lose such a war miserably because anyone who understands war is opposed to fighting it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 15, 2016 1:26 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:CNN's done a lot more to interfere with the election.

Why can't the Pentagon bomb them?



CNN is our greatest ally in the region.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 15, 2016 1:28 PM  

paradox wrote:Democrats will nuke restrooms over a gender narrative. Of course these mental patients would nuke an entire planet to save face.

Gendered bathrooms need democracy!

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 15, 2016 1:33 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:We are told in the rumor mill that Obama had to essentially be tricked into approving the hit on Osama bin Laden, for example; dragged off the golf course with the helicopters in flight just needing his final approval to cross the Pakistani border accompanied by the threat that Bill Clinton had denied just these sorts of raids before three times and look at what happened.

One wonders exactly how much money is spent on tricking the president.

Also, you should be aware the Dark Lord was engaging in rhetoric, so responding with dialectic is a failure of perception on your part. That said, it was pretty good dialectic, would grok again.

OpenID marcwinger.com October 15, 2016 1:36 PM  

I've had this site's rss in my feeds for a while but am now only eye-balling it. Again, this is perspective is flawed. ICYMI, the Neocons have been gone for quite a while & to refer to the US as having an "imperium" is telling. The US is an ultra powerful republic without an empire, the history of our republic indicates that Americans have always rejected empire. The post indicates either a strong anti-American dynamic, cynicism in place of intelligence or just bumbling misinformation. Perhaps even a foreign dynamic, sympathetic to Russia. This will be the last of my comments & visits to this site.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 15, 2016 1:54 PM  

I was aware, but it's my favorite sperg point on victory conditions. Failed my will check.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 15, 2016 1:59 PM  

Everybody wave goodbye to the dumbass.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 15, 2016 1:59 PM  

J Van Stry wrote:Who would a nuclear war help?

Well, among other things, Iran would gain lots of power as it develops its own arsenal and power in the ME.


And never forget that Valerie Jarret, Obama's supervisor was born and raised in Tehran.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 15, 2016 1:59 PM  

randkoch wrote:OT: Still waiting on my password.

Assuming you're talking about GAB, I'd open a new email account with Google, whoever, and put in a new request with it. Your other may be hopelessly lost somehow. Then once you get your GAB acct you can change the email address to the one you want. Just my 2 cents.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 15, 2016 2:00 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:I was aware, but it's my favorite sperg point on victory conditions. Failed my will check.

Lol, well put.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 15, 2016 2:01 PM  

Now that I think about it that was probably a bad assumption re: GAB. But in any case for anybody still having problems, there it is, FWIW.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 15, 2016 2:02 PM  

Johnny wrote:And to broach another subject, I wonder what their doctrine is on state sponsored terrorism. We seem strangely lenient in that area.

Our bombast seems more proportional to how little petroleum a country has, than how many human rights violations it has funded. Since that is an anti-Christian approach, it shows total capture of FedGov by anti-Christians (whether Jewish and/or secular) -- and sociopathic ones at that. A C&E Christian with normal human empathy would be a yuuuge step up.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 15, 2016 2:17 PM  

Kant Leerus wrote:China already exports their citizens to every corner of the world.. they play Weiqi (Chinese chess). Put your flag in a place and grow - beat the opposition with greater numbers in future generations... whites knew this a hundred years ago, they seem to know very little now

That would require a desire to breed, but white men pay money to send their daughters to universities where a Jewish lesbian will do her best to teach those girls to fear and hate white men as much as she does.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 15, 2016 2:45 PM  

marcwinger.com wrote:The US is an ultra powerful republic without an empire, the history of our republic indicates that Americans have always rejected empire.

The US became an empire under the regime of Lincoln the Tyrant. The Spanish American War was a war of empire. The Banana Wars of the 20's and 30's were wars of empire. Every war since has been to expand or maintain the US empire.

OpenID randkoch October 15, 2016 2:48 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:
Assuming you're talking about GAB, I'd open a new email account with Google, whoever, and put in a new request with it. Your other may be hopelessly lost somehow. Then once you get your GAB acct you can change the email address to the one you want. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks, but I meant for Infogalactic. Not even an email from them. I understand they're both just starting up, but at least GAB did that much.

Blogger Elder Son October 15, 2016 2:56 PM  

Just remember it was the Clinton/Obama DNC White House who brought these accusations against Russia. It was thereafter that the Pentacon and State Dept. followed suit.

So who is really trying to rig the elections?

Just read this carefully. They offer no proof that Russia is interfering with the elections except by innuendo:

Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security - https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

"However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government." Everything else is bogeyman words. Boo! The National Endowment for Dumbocracy would be so proud.

Hold on to your pants everybody! Russia is hacking the election! Therefore: Pentagon joins Homeland, FBI in eyeing oversight, control of elections - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pentagon-joins-homeland-fbi-in-eyeing-oversight-control-of-elections/article/2604367

Fundamental Change. It worked for Bush.

Blogger Elder Son October 15, 2016 3:02 PM  

Every war since has been to expand or maintain the US empire.

Every war and nation meddling since WWII has been to expand globalism as espoused by our United Nations Founders.

People just can not wrap around their heads, that EVERYTHING your government does, it does to COMPLETE the GLOBALIST agenda. THAT is the DEFAULT mode that YOUR government OPERATES on.

Anonymous Clay October 15, 2016 3:03 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:J Van Stry wrote:Who would a nuclear war help?

Well, among other things, Iran would gain lots of power as it develops its own arsenal and power in the ME.


And never forget that Valerie Jarret, Obama's supervisor was born and raised in Tehran.


Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

If a (nuke exchgange....my words) were to happen...why do you think Iran would still exist? The Israelis would bust their asses. Those humpers are still trying to buy spare parts for the US F-14 on the black market.

Blogger Elder Son October 15, 2016 3:07 PM  

Oops! Let's throw in the bogeyman Iran. In case anyone hasn't noticed, the US-NATO/Arab League proxy army terrorizing the Middle East, Persia, and N. Africa are the Sunni/Wahhabi's.

Blogger Elder Son October 15, 2016 3:13 PM  

By the way, don't you all go worrying about Iran. Syria is the transit point. Once we have completely destroyed Syria, Assad gets his head chopped off (We came, we saw, he died), then we can concentrate more fully on Iran. Okay?

Blogger Elder Son October 15, 2016 3:19 PM  

Oops! Wait! Russia!

LMAO.

(Thinking. There has got to be a big picture in here somewhere. I just can't imagine what it would be!) It's not like they don't spit it in your faces, knowing you will call it dew.

Meh.

Anonymous Clay October 15, 2016 3:35 PM  

Are you being sarcastic, Elder Son? Or what?

Blogger RobertT October 15, 2016 3:47 PM  

So the classic peace freak is going to start a war with Russia? Not bright. Saber rattling in DC is delusional. In Moscow, not so much.

Blogger RobertT October 15, 2016 3:48 PM  

When DC rattles its sabers, the world laughs.

Anonymous Eduardo October 15, 2016 3:57 PM  

Clay

Yes he is being sarcastic. Kind of the same ambiguous style I use for sarcasm.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 15, 2016 4:01 PM  

marcwinger.com wrote:This will be the last of my comments & visits to this site
I dare say we shall be able to survive the deprivation.

Blogger Chris Mallory October 15, 2016 4:10 PM  

Elder Son wrote:People just can not wrap around their heads, that EVERYTHING your government does, it does to COMPLETE the GLOBALIST agenda. THAT is the DEFAULT mode that YOUR government OPERATES on.

It isn't my government. The UN is nothing but a toothless sham. Just another mask for the people who control the globalists.

Ask your doctor to increase your meds, it might help with your need to randomly type in all caps.

Anonymous Clay October 15, 2016 5:07 PM  

OK, Eduardo. Sometimes sarcasm is hard to decipher on the net.

OpenID randkoch October 15, 2016 5:33 PM  

If a (nuke exchgange....my words) were to happen...why do you think Iran would still exist? The Israelis would bust their asses. Those humpers are still trying to buy spare parts for the US F-14 on the black market.

Iran is too big. It's 600,000 sq miles, and Israel is 2,000. If it came to nukes, Israel would be wiped out, and Iran's cinders would only be their major cities.

Then you need to consider that someone in Israel would hold back, thinking they only need to hit a city or two. They have SJWs aplenty.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 15, 2016 5:34 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:Now, the war in Syria is different from Obama bin Laden - but you'll note that the media is doing their best to pump it up and give us reasons for it. They have a long way to go to make Assad equal to bin Laden and they're going about it wrong, but they're certainly trying.

They've actually given up on trying to oust Assad, because I pointed out that there was zero chance of him ever abdicating, since then he would just be raped to death like Gaddafi. However they continue to support Saudi Arabia, which continues to support Daesh, which continues to support mass rape, torture, and genocide.

Assad protects Christians from Daesh. You're either pro-Assad, or anti-Christian. Pick one.

And also, fuck Saudi Arabia. It is time and past time for them to be glowing radioactive glass.

Anonymous BGKB October 15, 2016 6:04 PM  

Democrats will nuke restrooms over a gender narrative.

They want to import more moslems into gay bar bathrooms

Where is the antiwar movement when you need it? They've become the free taxpayer paid POT PARTY

One wonders exactly how much money is spent on tricking the president.

I am pretty sure Obama will get more money from speeches than he did renting his backside to old white guys in the Chicongo bath houses.

marcwinger.com wrote: This will be the last of my comments & visits to this site

Will you still be behind the Home Depot on Saturday nights?

Blogger VD October 15, 2016 8:41 PM  

This will be the last of my comments & visits to this site.

Good. Don't come back.

Anonymous Claywrence Of Arabia October 15, 2016 10:52 PM  

randkoch wrote:If a (nuke exchgange....my words) were to happen...why do you think Iran would still exist? The Israelis would bust their asses. Those humpers are still trying to buy spare parts for the US F-14 on the black market.

Iran is too big. It's 600,000 sq miles, and Israel is 2,000. If it came to nukes, Israel would be wiped out, and Iran's cinders would only be their major cities.

Then you need to consider that someone in Israel would hold back, thinking they only need to hit a city or two. They have SJWs aplenty.



I suppose I'm just a retard.

Did I forget to mention the nuke subs that the Israeli's have? Not to mentiont the "others".

How stupid can you be? Look at a modern-day map of Iran. They have nothing but land, and most of it worthless, at that.

Please don't make me explain targets.

Anonymous Grinder October 16, 2016 1:24 AM  

Since Putin's Russia is one on a very small list of white governments that is still actively working on behalf its own people I welcome any Russian efforts to throw a wrench into the globalist nation wrecking plans of our ZOG regimes. When France intervened on behalf of Americas founders in the Revolutionary War, it was interference in the internal affairs of Great Britain. Does anyone here think that was a mistake? I say it was a good thing for the cause of liberty and interfering with the one world government project is a good thing for The Fourteen Words. I will not stand with my countrys, Canada's government, since they are actively destroying Canada by bringing in 3rd worlders as fast as they can get away with and supressing dissident speech like mine. Go Russia!

Blogger Brian H October 16, 2016 7:16 PM  

Fucking stupid mother in law. Reads an article calling Trump unpredictable, ergo Trump will start nuclear war.

Blogger Brian H October 16, 2016 7:18 PM  

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