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Thursday, October 27, 2016

What are they going to do, invade?

Perhaps Theresa May will succeed where Napoleon and Hitler failed:
Britain is sending hundreds of soldiers and hardware to Russia's borders as part of a huge military deployment. A total of 800 troops, drones and tanks are moving to Estonia next spring, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said.

The move is part of the biggest military build up of NATO troops on Russia's borders since the Cold War.

Mr Fallon said the deployment of the battalion, supported by French and Danish troops, will start from May 2017.
800 whole troops. It raises an obvious question: if Britain invaded Russia in 2017, would the Russians even notice?

After all, the British are being invaded by more migrants from the Calais jungle alone than that. Perhaps the British are thinking that if they tell the Russians their soldiers are refugees, Putin will surrender.

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65 Comments:

Anonymous Benjamin October 27, 2016 3:08 AM  

I had high hopes for Teresa May, who seemed to be trying to recreate herself as a new Maggie Thatcher after Brexit. This and other revelations show I shouldn't have been so naive.

Blogger Kallmunz October 27, 2016 3:37 AM  

I work on the base in Hohenfels Germany. We've had more than 800 British troops here for training, somehow Germany survived.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable October 27, 2016 3:37 AM  

If everything that you say is literally true, but also has an emotional impact by design, is it still pseudo-dialectic? Or is it some novel category of persuasive reason from the land of faerie?

Because my version of pseudo-dialectic plays fast and loose with the rules of logic, while appearing reasonable. Clearly different.

Anonymous Patron October 27, 2016 3:47 AM  

Hey, we managed it in the Crimean War ;) .

Course, back then we had an empire to back us. And nobody had nukes. Or planes. And the Russkies couldn't face our navy. Oh, and we very sensibly hugged the coast and didn't go inland.

Eh, I'm sure Tommy Atkins will be fine this time round as well. What could go wrong?

= = =

"If the British Army landed in Europe, I'd get the Belgian police to arrest them."
-Bismarck

Blogger Mr. Bee October 27, 2016 3:52 AM  

The small deployments, as you are no doubt aware, are there as a "tripwire" to make the natives less nervous. After Georgia and the Ukraine it's pretty obvious why they would be.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar October 27, 2016 4:13 AM  

They are following America's policy directives. When domestic policy fails, a good foreign war distracts the people and brings them together. Sure it hasn't worked since the 1950s, but theres a strange and eerie Cold War spirit to these globalists now that the Berlin Wall has come down.

Blogger Balázs Varga October 27, 2016 4:20 AM  

The natives very well know that it would be a glorified speedbump at best. The only way Europe can stop Putin from invading if he so decides is keeping him content, I'm afraid. I do not think any country beside the US and China could mount a resistance to a Russian invasion.

Blogger wasu October 27, 2016 4:34 AM  

It only shows that people who vote Trump are pro-Russia. Sorry to say it - but Trump losing may be very good for Poland

Anonymous David Stanley October 27, 2016 4:42 AM  

So we are still doing what America tells us to do (apart from voting for Brexit.) These gestures are ridiculous to everyone concerned.

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep October 27, 2016 4:48 AM  

@6 Should the Poles place any more trust in Germany? Or France? Or Britain? Putin is not looking to invade Poland. That's just more neocon dipshittery.

And you think a Clinton presidency bodes better for any living thing on this planet, you're even more clueless than you appear.

Anonymous Rezny October 27, 2016 5:04 AM  

I think its a purely symbolic gesture, not some reenaction of Petropavlovsk Siege.
Just 800 meat shields to discourage green men spontaneously appearing in a country where ~50% of capital population and ~30% in other regions just happen to be unironically oppressed Russians.

The only thing strange is why Britain even pretends to take care, unless an old aircraft carrier and its 3 escorts somehow ruffled feather of the British Navy.

Blogger Kona Commuter October 27, 2016 5:25 AM  

In the comments section

"CarlosGarciaLegal
Madness. Britain needs to send troops to London to stop Moslem Rape gangs from molesting their women and children."

Blogger Lovekraft October 27, 2016 5:43 AM  

Didn't Britain just vote to leave the cesspool called the European Union? But then it jumps in to help the organization it claims to hate.

Brits are, to put it mildly, pusillanimous, but can manipulate others to great acts of violence. So they have to have a presence in the mainland so that if the SHTF, they have an excuse to get in the mix.

Blogger JP October 27, 2016 5:50 AM  

If Putin doesn't stop, I shall be forced to send him a sternly worded letter!

Blogger Balázs Varga October 27, 2016 5:57 AM  

wasu wrote:It only shows that people who vote Trump are pro-Russia. Sorry to say it - but Trump losing may be very good for Poland

If Clinton is elected, a US-Russia/China war is much more likely than with Trump. If that happens, Poland will be pretty much toast, alongside the rest of Europe.

Blogger Lobo Util October 27, 2016 6:36 AM  

Britain should form its own Foreign Legion as France and the USA have done. Join the British Army and spend 4 years on the frontiers of Estonia defending British Monarchy, and you can become a British subject.

The French Foreign Legion is legendary. After serving in it, you are a French citizen. They even teach you French.

In the USA if you join the Navy as a foreigner, serve for a few years in the kitchens, then you can get your citizenship.

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 27, 2016 6:55 AM  

Is this a bluff or a statement about rigging?

Goldman Sachs is saying there won't be a Brexit surprise. Is that because they have spent money to make sure that doesn't happen? Based on the project veritas videos it has to be considered as a possibility.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 27, 2016 6:57 AM  

Who cares? We vote for what is best for us ... supposedly.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 27, 2016 7:02 AM  

It is a missle cruiser that carries some planes for CAP. It is not a carrier in the sense these uSA's design and purpose of military aggressive projection.

Blogger Stilicho October 27, 2016 7:17 AM  

@15 that prediction was made by an economist who works for a bank that didn't see the mortgage crisis and thinks everything is peachy now, is famous for giving bad advice to its clients/muppets, and is convinced that net exposure is the only thing that matters w/r/t derivative exposure. Oh, did I mention that they've invested heavily in bribes for Hillary so she can help them steal more wealth from Americans through open borders globalism? Totally reliable, I'm sure.

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon October 27, 2016 7:36 AM  

It's easy to forget that Russia has an exclave, Kaliningrad Oblast, tucked between Poland and Lithuania, fwiw. Useful as a forward base / tripwire of its own.

Blogger Anchorman October 27, 2016 7:39 AM  

The natives very well know that it would be a glorified speedbump at best.

Not a speedbump.

A tripwire.

Like the 2 ID, in Korea.

Blogger Johnny October 27, 2016 7:41 AM  

Could be this is for domestic political consumption. A portion of the public wants them to look tough so they are looking tough. Plus we have sent a few more troops over there, somewhere. Perhaps this is the special relationship thing.

Allowing that the Russians are non stupid, something that is usually true, it would seem wildly unlikely that they want to invade Eastern Europe beyond Ukraine and the other already controlled territories.

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski October 27, 2016 7:44 AM  

That was very educational.

Blogger Starbuck October 27, 2016 8:14 AM  

Perhaps the British are thinking that if they tell the Russians their soldiers are refugees, Putin will surrender.-VD

HAHAHAHA.. I'll admit I laughed out loud at this one. Vox Day, sometimes you crack me up with your dry and sarcastic humor. Good one.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 27, 2016 8:28 AM  

Soldiers to Estonia, but not a single one on Britain's border. Warped priorities, myopic vision.

Evil leader, and a failed leader.

One problem: Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for Everyone IS White Genocide.

Blogger CarpeOro October 27, 2016 8:57 AM  

800. Huge. Yeah, if you're Luxemborg.

@3 You had France and the Ottoman Empire on your side at the time and achieved... the status quo for a few more years.

@12 To which the Russian would reply "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of eldeberrys! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time! Silly English knnnighits!"

@Vox - maybe they aren't really soldiers that are being sent. Maybe they are emigration specialists preparing to reroute the English cornucopia of third worlders to Russia. Or of course to expedite the transfer of the last whites from Britain to Russia....

Blogger Phelps October 27, 2016 9:01 AM  

I initially read this as "Britain is sending hundreds of soldiers and hardware to Britain's borders as part of a huge military deployment. A total of 800 troops, drones and tanks are moving to Dover next spring, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said."

Because that's the only damned thing that would make sense.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 27, 2016 9:03 AM  

Reagan used effective rhetoric against the Soviets such as the "Evil Empire" and I suspect soon some effective rhetoric will rise up out of the alt-right swamp that will be used to signal discredit towards the establishment that inflicts itself upon the West.

Blogger Harsh October 27, 2016 9:13 AM  

As far as rhetoric is concerned, Trump is bad for Poland doesn't quite rate, does it?

Blogger Harsh October 27, 2016 9:14 AM  

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Blogger pyrrhus October 27, 2016 9:24 AM  

"If the British Army landed in Europe, I'd get the Belgian police to arrest them."
-Bismarck
Heh!

Blogger pyrrhus October 27, 2016 9:27 AM  

The story definitely reads like Monte Python, but the idea is very dangerous with nutcase like Hillary potentially in power....What the hell is wrong with Theresa May?

OpenID paworldandtimes October 27, 2016 9:33 AM  

As far as rhetoric is concerned, Trump is bad for Poland doesn't quite rate, does it?

Rhetoric: under the Evil Empire Poland's homogeneous poplation grew from 22 million to 38 million, Catholicism had integrity, and arts were first-rate. Under liberal Murka, her population is falling, muzz are a-knockin, and knockoff American game shows are her art. But hey, at least there's toilet paper on store shelves.

PA

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 27, 2016 9:35 AM  

Estonia has an official army of 6000, and no doubt to join NATO is has to be converged by SJW so as Lind would write it is a "toy" army. It also has a militia system but of course no one in the West would dare arm anyone outside of the easily bombed barracks or outside of the pay system. It's political leaders are running their yappers but I would guess only because they have Uncle Sam's arm up their asses and moving their jaws for them.

The only thing I can think of to say to the Estonians is to arm the militia as a self defense force small arms, ATGMs and tactical level anti-air weaponry on the presumption that they are defending against Russia. This will trigger the evil clowns in NATO and especially DC, "don't arm the enslaved" but the Estonians will have plausible deniability. Then maybe the rest of the enslaved in the West can use some bit of that tactic to arm up against the enslavers.

Blogger Nigel McPhearson October 27, 2016 9:35 AM  

Assuming 10-1 tail to tooth ratio that means there's about 80-100 infantrymen. That's 1 rifle company.

Anonymous LES October 27, 2016 9:42 AM  

Lou Dobbs had a retired general on his program yesterday warning of the Russian threat.
Dobbs agreed. Why is he doing that?

Blogger LonestarWhacko October 27, 2016 10:14 AM  

The roar of a toothless lion....Ya'll know that nuclear armed cruise missiles are a reality, right? Yep, the Russians have been working them up, and have RECENT live fire data. And have small, cheap ways of deploying them.

And, from what I've heard, the Russians have been doing the needed maintenance on their nuclear warheads to ensure performance. You see, I can admire folks who ain't really bluffable.

Trump is a flawed man, but you know what? I don't care. He's fighting for his posterity. Simple as that.

As for the British foolishness with NATO, man, Britain can't even control their own borders. What will happen if their power generation is sabotaged? If I was a smart Russian, that's a good question. Here's a cold hard fact....England ain't English anymore. So, thinking that the British have their shift together ain't sane.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 27, 2016 10:16 AM  

The "tripwire" approach had more meaning when backed by somewhat credible force.

Since NATO has been drawing down on combat arms for years, this is more of a "speedbump" gesture.

Another case of politicians signaling by planning for the previous war.

Blogger Anchorman October 27, 2016 10:18 AM  

As for the British foolishness with NATO, man, Britain can't even control their own borders. What will happen if their power generation is sabotaged? If I was a smart Russian, that's a good question. Here's a cold hard fact....England ain't English anymore. So, thinking that the British have their shift together ain't sane.

Something to chew on.

The immigration push undermines NATO. So, while the ruling class(es) push immigration, they set the table for the fall of their coveted alliance.

Blogger Anchorman October 27, 2016 10:18 AM  

The "tripwire" approach had more meaning when backed by somewhat credible force.

Since NATO has been drawing down on combat arms for years, this is more of a "speedbump" gesture.


Fair point.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 27, 2016 10:36 AM  

Once Great Britain, can't even have its soldiers walk around in uniform off duty, because of turdworlders. Just walking outside their barracks in London can get them beheaded like Lee Rigby.

people who vote Trump are pro-Russia. Sorry to say it - but Trump losing may be very good for Poland

Yea all the US military soldiers spending money there before tactical nukes get dropped on them.

If Putin doesn't stop, I shall be forced to send him a sternly worded letter!

HilLIARy will stop PUTIN with her vagina power, it swallowed up $6billion dollars while she was secretary.

"If the British Army landed in Europe, I'd get the Belgian police to arrest them."-Bismarck

"If the British Army landed in Europe, I'd tell the moslems in Calis that they all drew pictures of Moo Ham mAd."

Blogger bob kek mando ( Grab 'Em By The Pussy And Their Hearts And Minds Will Follow ) October 27, 2016 10:42 AM  

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said.
"as part of a huge military deployment. A total of 800 troops, drones and tanks are moving to Estonia next spring,"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhXjcZdk5QQ&feature=youtu.be&t=54s

Blogger Tom Kratman October 27, 2016 10:51 AM  

800 men? Maybe one battalion utterly dependent on local support or perhaps a single company with full support? It's just a tripwire.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion October 27, 2016 11:00 AM  

In the 90s the military became meals-on-wheels. Now it's primary purpose is virtue-signalling.

What will be written on these soldiers gravestones? My death was not in vain because it shows how much our politicians cared?

Anonymous Jack Amok October 27, 2016 11:18 AM  

It only shows that people who vote Trump are pro-Russia. Sorry to say it - but Trump losing may be very good for Poland

War between Russia and the West has never been good for Poland. Or Russia. Or the West. So no, Trump losing will not be good for Poland because the addle-brained harpy he's running against will provoke a war with Russia if she gets in office.

Blogger Ron October 27, 2016 11:22 AM  

@veryfunnyminion

They will write "Here is the tomb of Sempronius Densus. He did his duty. Woe to us that we did not do ours"

Blogger Elder Son October 27, 2016 11:23 AM  

Mr. Bee wrote:The small deployments, as you are no doubt aware, are there as a "tripwire" to make the natives less nervous. After Georgia and the Ukraine it's pretty obvious why they would be.

And what, exactly, did Russia do in Georgia and Ukraine? Other than protect ethnic Russians.

It's funny, every time Russia reacts, you can find US-NATO lurking in the shadows stirring up trouble. And remember, the build-up of US-NATO forces is because the Russian attack of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, is imminent. And imminent still. Any day now. Just give them a good reason.

Blogger Elder Son October 27, 2016 11:28 AM  

Poke. Poke-poke. Nudge.

Anonymous Rezny October 27, 2016 11:41 AM  

@32
Under "Da Ebul Russkies" 1 Pole in 10 was either a member of Polish Communist party or a family member of one.
The largest building in Warsaw is "a gift" from USSR built totally for Soviet money.
Under the murderous Stalin Poland annexed Pomerania and Silesia, areas that weren't under Polish dominion for at least 700 years.
Et cetera.

No shit, Communism is terrible. But Poles partook in it themselves. It is very-very convenient to bark at Russia for everything wrong everywhere while being protected by Big Murrica so as not being responsible for its words. It's not like the current master doesn't do it himself.

The recent Prime Minister of Estonia was a Komsomol member (indoctrinated into Communism from youth that is), was a local university cell ideologue and got known for cracking down on liberal students of his own Tartu University back in late 80ies, but he's totally OK anti-Russian nationalist now.
Current president of Lithuania was a luxury tier whore paid by KGB and foreigners she slept/spied on while a student.
Everything east of GDR is so full of bullshit, their hypocrisy is barely matched by modern American one.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 27, 2016 11:42 AM  

It reminds me of _The Mouse That Roared_.

Blogger Noah B October 27, 2016 11:44 AM  

@6 An interesting argument, since wars in Eastern Europe over the past couple of centuries have been pretty bad for Poland. Trump is anti-war.

Blogger Noah B October 27, 2016 11:46 AM  

@6 And also, wasu, who is trying to flood Poland with Africans and Middle Easterners? Not Russia.

Blogger Balázs Varga October 27, 2016 12:10 PM  

Noah B wrote:@6 And also, wasu, who is trying to flood Poland with Africans and Middle Easterners? Not Russia.

Yeah, Poland has much more to fear from the Eu and what will become of poor Germany.

Blogger Elder Son October 27, 2016 12:22 PM  

US-NATO is just the spearhead for globalism. Russia (and China) are a threat to Western globalism. They are the Gap, that refuses to be assimilated into the Western globalist Core.

"We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." - James Paul Warburg

This is the same man who helped organize the Society for the Prevention of World War III.

Everything your government does, from the president, State Dept., CIA, NSA, the Pentagon, US-NATO, is to push and promote globalism.

And yes, we need a World War to exhaust the people, and set up the "Man of Peace".

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 27, 2016 12:51 PM  

Elder Son wrote:And what, exactly, did Russia do in Georgia and Ukraine? Other than protect ethnic Russians.
In Georgia, it wasn't even ethnic Russians. It was Ossetians, the last remaining identifiable descendants of the Alans, who conquered much of Europe in late antiquity.
The Ossetians live on either side of a mountain, the larger population in Russia, the smaller in Georgia. They have been loyal citizens and dedicated and effective soldiers for 300 years, first to Tsarist Russia, then the Soviets, and now to Republican Russia.
Mostly because they hate the Armenians and the Persians, but still.

Anonymous Jeff October 27, 2016 1:40 PM  

"No shit, Communism is terrible. But Poles partook in it themselves. It is very-very convenient to bark at Russia for everything wrong everywhere while being protected by Big Murrica so as not being responsible for its words. It's not like the current master doesn't do it himself.
"

There's so much wrong with this Comrade Rezny,
but it would be politically incorrect to comment. I can only say something tame, in every country there are sell outs and useful idiots and also foreign overseers. Stalin used to laugh at Polish Communists saying that if it were not for the Red Army the Poles would "cover them with caps" to paraphrase. By the way the Communist was not part of the name of the Polish United Workers' Party. ;-)

Anonymous Hunsdon October 27, 2016 3:59 PM  

Why are we poking the bear?
The bear is growling.
Why is the bear growling?
We are poking the bear.
Why are we poking the bear?

Anonymous Cromwell October 27, 2016 5:06 PM  

A lot of the comments on here about Britain not having border control or being a real country are laughable coming from a presumably American commentariat. Britain is much more British than America is American, is taking in a smaller percentage of its population as immigrants each year, and is taking in a far smaller percentage of its population of illegal immigrants. Britain is one of the developed white countries with the least immigration problems. Sure, it's just relative, but you guys already lost your white majority among the under 5s largely to illegals.

As for NATO, Mirror is a lefty paper, trying to bulk up the deployment to imply the government are warmongers wasting tax money rather than to imply Britain is mighty. NATO is a classic tragedy of the commons. All members deploy just enough to be able to claim they've done something and then pass the bill to America. Again, Britain is the *least* bad country in NATO for this, other than of course America itself.

Blogger Thucydides October 27, 2016 6:11 PM  

Insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.....

Blogger Thucydides October 27, 2016 6:17 PM  

The real issue is the nations of Eastern Europe are Western and Christian, and are looking to escape the control of Slavic and Orthodox Russia. Given the existing structure of the EU and NATO, these were essentially the only options available for these nations to join.

Perhaps in the future (maybe even the near future if the Brexit is an indication), the EU will fragment and the Eastern European nations can coalesce into a trade and defense partnership of their own, possibly entered on Poland.

The Nordic nations make a block, "Mittleeuropa" (Germany, Austria the Netherlands, possibly the Czech Republic) make a nice block, the "Latin countries" in southern Europe make a block and England can go to its traditional role of maintaining the balance of power in Europe by judiciously supporting one or the other of the various power blocks that Europe will fragment into.

Unless Hillary makes use of her "vast experience" and turns Europe into radioactive glass......

Blogger dfordoom October 27, 2016 7:41 PM  

@ David Stanley

So we are still doing what America tells us to do

Britain has been America's bitch since WW2. That was Churchill's bright idea - the "special relationship" and it certainly has been a special relationship, just like the relationship between a dog and its master is a special relationship.

It has fed the British delusion that they still count for something. They don't.

Brexit was a good start but there is no real hope for the Brits until they leave NATO. And they need to get over the Cult of Churchill.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 27, 2016 10:42 PM  

dfordoom wrote:And they need to get over the Cult of Churchill.
The cult of Churchill is an (((American))) thing.

Blogger wasu October 28, 2016 4:09 AM  

So communism isn't that bad? So why don't you yourself vote it? Hillary is a commie after all.

I wonder what happens to people who loves ones who hurt them .. Russia planted on you cultural Marxists (just look up on YT Yuri Bezmenov) and you just love them for destroying your culture. Slave syndrom maybe?

Blogger Roger G2 October 28, 2016 6:47 AM  

Around 27,000 French soldiers managed to make it out of the horrors of the Russian countryside-a brutal winter and Cossack harassers helpfully made Napoleon's retreat from Moscow one of the top disasters in all known military history. Of the half million original invaders, 380k were dead, 100k captured. That's a survival rate of roughly 5%.
Was just wondering what the number of survivors would be if 800 men(and women and LGBTQ+, better not forget them) invaded Putin's Russia-as compared to the 1812 Grande Armée and allies.
(Gonna leave out the 1941 German hordes, as the final tally of KIA/POW in that one is enormous on both sides and frankly I'm no mathematician)
I'm calling the over/under for this one at 660 KIA, 100 POW's. If they're lucky, around 40 will make it out with severe ptsd and a few missing digits but otherwise breathing.

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