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Monday, October 10, 2016

"You'll be in jail"

And that's why his idiot handlers should just stay out of the way and let Trump be Trump:
Clinton established herself as a superior bureaucrat Sunday night with more mature knowledge of foreign policy minutiae and a more intelligible way of communicating details about how laws are made. But Trump won on points in what has become the Year of the Outsider, playing to a national television audience that polls show are weary of Washington's same-old same-old and eager for new blood.

He had Clinton playing defense for most of the 90-minute clash, saying she would be 'in jail' if he ran the Justice Department – a reference to her classified email scandal – and declaring that she had 'tremendous hate in her heart' when she branded 'half' his supporters as 'deplorables.'

He even bested her on her recollection of her own tenure at the helm of the U.S. State Department.
Trump recalled that Clinton was secretary of state when President Barack Obama drew his now-infamous rhetorical 'red line' in Syria, ineffectively warning Bashar al-Assad not to use chemical weapons against insurgents and civilians.

Clinton insisted she had retired from the government by the time that happened. Not so: Obama dared Assad to cross his line in August 2012, six months before Clinton’s term ended.
As Milo put it on Gab: "Daddy is killing it". If this builds momentum that Trump can carry through to the third debate, we're going to see the Trumpslide.

Remember, as I've repeatedly pointed out, Trump doesn't constantly push. He relaxes, coasts, and then pushes strongly again. There is nearly one month to go. He's running against a criminal and he's already ahead in some national polls. The final push hasn't even begun.

Frank Lutz Focus Group: Who are you willing to vote for?

BEFORE #DEBATE
• Hillary: 8
• Trump: 9

AFTER DEBATE
• Hillary: 4
• Trump: 18

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129 Comments:

Blogger RE October 10, 2016 3:51 AM  

You were absolutly correct Vox about the reset. Thank you.

Blogger freddy October 10, 2016 4:14 AM  

This a Greek tragedy in the making.

Blogger Horn of the Mark October 10, 2016 4:32 AM  

Oh to be a fly on the candidate in Hillary's post-debate meeting.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky October 10, 2016 4:34 AM  

Trump killed her tonight. So obvious. The incredible thing to me was CNN, they promoted the absolute fiction that Cankles won hands down.

Grr and Gah. CNN. MSM.

Trump slayed the witch tonight. And that's what happened. I watched it and rewatched it, and it was even better the second time.

Anonymous Ironsides October 10, 2016 4:48 AM  

Those focus group numbers are a little funny, though.

Blogger Tommy Hass October 10, 2016 4:50 AM  

Politico claiming that Clinton won.

Please skin these people alive after the Trumpening. Thanks in advance. :^)

Blogger Phillip George October 10, 2016 5:09 AM  

Lord of the Flies was one of the most disturbing books ever written.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/is-obama-biblical-lord-of-the-flies/

It was nearly an identical fly to Obama's. I suspect a micro drone that's been hacked by Anonymous. Don't swat that thing, it cost half a million dollars, was deployed against Trump but was hacked with a stuxnet type virus.

We can safely assume the source code is from somewhere in Ukraine, and WWIII is briefly averted. Ceausescus without the flair for big ideas. Still laughing.

Anonymous Deplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair October 10, 2016 5:33 AM  

Trump destroyed her. It was beautiful! A friend who is a dual citizen is still upset Trump won the primary and operates under the delusion that Cruz would've been better. I pointed out he would've taken the principled route; Romney did that in the second debate with Obama after Crowley lied for him about Benghazi. I asked him how that worked out. His response was that Romney would've been beating Clinton. Ah cuckservatives....also, he had the gall to claim that his home country is better off under their president for life (I've been there three times, including in an official capacity with USG, as an intern albeit) than America under Trump or Clinton. I roundabout asked him if that's the case then why is he still here? He said it was because our gov't's foundations are strong and nothing will change greatly...he'll only make a decision if they do greatly and he starts feeling unsafe and for his future children too. He really has no clue about this election.
As Vox (?) said, if they wanted the tape to be damaging, they should've released it today. It is such a good thing that the other side is incompetent. It's good though that we do not underestimate them. It's kind of like the projections of death before the First Gulf War: they ordered 10,000 body bags but did not even need 400 because the Iraqi army was that incompetent.
Trump just needs to keep hammering away and the Trumpslide will be here before we know it! I look forward to drinking liberal/cuck/MSM tears on the 9th. Finally, my sister said last night she isn't supporting Trump after the tape....she's a poster child for #repealthe19th.

Blogger residentMoron October 10, 2016 5:36 AM  

"You'll be in jail!"

Killshot!

Blogger JACIII October 10, 2016 5:59 AM  

I hope the Secret Service is on it's game, cause it's gloves off from the Clinton's now and we all now how the "fix" people problems.

Blogger VoodooJock October 10, 2016 6:04 AM  

I'd be interested to see what the comments regarding Alpha behavior/posturing are from the pictures in that link.

Blogger YIH October 10, 2016 6:22 AM  

LOL Rod Dreher's panties are in a bunch God Emperor's flawless victory.
UPDATE: I’m glad a couple of readers brought this up: Trump’s promise to turn a special prosecutor loose on Hillary if he’s elected is revolting stuff. A Third World dictator move.
Holding criminals accountable, how terrible. That's The American Cuckservative for you.

Anonymous TS October 10, 2016 6:36 AM  

Trumps not done. When your opponent is on the ropes he needs to finish the job.

Blogger YIH October 10, 2016 6:37 AM  

You know what draws flies, right?

OpenID basementhomebrewer October 10, 2016 6:47 AM  

YIH wrote:LOL Rod Dreher's panties are in a bunch God Emperor's flawless victory.

UPDATE: I’m glad a couple of readers brought this up: Trump’s promise to turn a special prosecutor loose on Hillary if he’s elected is revolting stuff. A Third World dictator move.

Holding criminals accountable, how terrible. That's The American Cuckservative for you.
YIH wrote:LOL Rod Dreher's panties are in a bunch God Emperor's flawless victory.

UPDATE: I’m glad a couple of readers brought this up: Trump’s promise to turn a special prosecutor loose on Hillary if he’s elected is revolting stuff. A Third World dictator move.

Holding criminals accountable, how terrible. That's The American Cuckservative for you.


It's amazing how tone deaf the insiders can be. The country is completely tired of the separate set of rules for them vs the rest of the country. Trumps promise to apply the same rules to them is a major reason while he will win in the end.

The cucks have bought the lie the Democrats sold them that it would be an off limits move to prosecute them for their crimes. The funny part is the Democrats have shown that they aren't afraid to crucify a cuck when it suits them.

Anonymous SciVo October 10, 2016 6:48 AM  

VoodooJock wrote:I'd be interested to see what the comments regarding Alpha behavior/posturing are from the pictures in that link.

First one they both did well, the lion doesn't lean in (contrary to feminist misconception), and grandmao goes for an English royalty vibe which is about as dignified as it gets. In the second she's playing an imaginary piano I guess? In the third, holding a mic impaired his natural expansiveness. I would want to know the context for the fourth since arm across the chest is defensive, although not necessarily since he's propping the mic hand's elbow on it, so maybe it was just a resting pose. At least he didn't have to prop himself up with a chair like the ostrich in the fifth. And the sixth shows that she has a strange way of holding a pen, with multipoint bracing as if first to keep tremors from her arm, then from her hand, and then from her fingers; my money is on alcoholism as the cause.

The best place that I know for redpilled body language analysis is Chateau Heartiste.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 10, 2016 7:01 AM  

Frank Lutz Focus Group: Who are you willing to vote for?


Luntz' group had a Hillary win the first time. As many of us suspected, it was a Hillary tactical win, Trump strategic win, where he was deliberately restrained to defuse the idea he was some sort of madman.

Now here, Luntz' group has a romping Trump win, and the newsmedia is all either in "I can't even" mode or trying to say it's another Hillary win...

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid October 10, 2016 7:15 AM  

I wonder if the view of Hillary's pad of paper in that Daily Mail picture is good enough to tell what she wrote. "I saw an old lady who swallowed a fly..." or "REDRUM" or "Me+Huma=TLA" or something like that?

Blogger Dave October 10, 2016 7:15 AM  

Last night got on gab; yes! and I can tell you Milo's Trump gab was a wee bit more emphatic than Vox is letting on.

Blogger Paul October 10, 2016 7:16 AM  

@11

People who call Rod Dreher a cuck are being unfair to cucks. Dreher's only religious faith and only political beliefs are whatever he believes will promote his project of the moment and keep him in delicious food and wine.

When the smoke clears after November, the Benedict Option will be all we will have left.

Until that never sells either, then something else - Republicans, Orthodoxy, gluten! - will be shoveled under the bus in promotion of his next big thing.

There's nothing Dreher won't pretend to believe in and sell and smilingly sell out in promotion of himself. Nothing. Never has been, never will be.

Blogger Salt October 10, 2016 7:17 AM  

Trump just about quashed any further locker-room banter that might pop up. Also, the moderator thought he had Trump at one moment when he pressed him, badgered him, as to whether he used that 900M offset. "Of course I did."

Blogger Starbuck October 10, 2016 7:23 AM  

Yeah, dead carcasses. I've seen it many times.

Blogger Alexandros October 10, 2016 7:26 AM  

It was unreal with the moderators; do they usually debate one of the candidates on behalf of the other like this?

Blogger Stilicho October 10, 2016 7:34 AM  

@22 yes but it isn't always so blatant

Blogger Nate October 10, 2016 7:35 AM  

As I said on Twitter... Trump destroyed her last night. Anyone who says otherwise is selling BS.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 10, 2016 7:45 AM  

Trump won.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 10, 2016 7:46 AM  

Trump woke up when Hillary went on the attack. Until then, Trump was subdued.
Re. the red line. It was not Assad's side that launched that attack, it was the "freedom" fighters.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 10, 2016 7:55 AM  

Stilicho wrote:@22 yes but it isn't always so blatant

And the GOP rarely has anyone who will beat the moderators back into their hole as Trump did.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 7:57 AM  

Now Trump needs to address Pense's betrayal.

Blogger Stilicho October 10, 2016 8:05 AM  

The direct involvement of the moderators is not just a sign of their bias, it's also a sign of their desperation when their candidate is losing badly.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 10, 2016 8:06 AM  

Crazy story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/


Giuliani said Bannon kept pushing to have the women come out until three minutes before the debate began.

“But we pulled it because we were going to have a big incident on national TV,” Giuliani said. “Frank Fahrenkopf stopped us and we weren’t going to have a fight on national TV with the commission to start the debate.”

Bannon declined to comment late Sunday, but his role in coming up with the idea was confirmed by multiple Trump campaign advisers. Senior Clinton campaign officials said they were unaware of the Trump campaign’s plans to try to seat the women in the family box.

Giuliani was highly critical of Fahrenkopf in an interview after the debate Sunday and said the Trump campaign is considering asking for him to step aside before the third and final debate, scheduled for Oct. 19 in Las Vegas.

Anonymous Man of the Atom October 10, 2016 8:11 AM  

@30 Josh

Crazy story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/

More like "desperate story". Gotta love the Compost; they never change.

Anonymous Broken Arrow October 10, 2016 8:23 AM  

Don't be surprised if Hillary does more damage to herself in the next debate than Trump hurts her. She will over react in the next debate after that beating.

Blogger Ransom Smith October 10, 2016 8:24 AM  

My wife is now beginning to worry that Trump will be next on the Clinton kill list.

Which....I mean, it could happen. But that would likely cause war. So I'm a bit skeptical.

Blogger Salt October 10, 2016 8:26 AM  

SugarPi wrote:Now Trump needs to address Pense's betrayal.

Why? Trump has already said he and Pence do not agree on everything. That's a non-issue.

Blogger Curlytop October 10, 2016 8:29 AM  

Agreed. The next debate will have to be viewed with a partial mute on Hilldawg's portion to protect against her shrill, bitter voice.

That started to show up last night with her snarky, pompous attempts to deflect Trump's razor sharp attacks.

Ready for Trump to finish her off!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 10, 2016 8:30 AM  

Why? Trump has already said he and Pence do not agree on everything. That's a non-issue.

Trump could replace Pence with rising star Ken Bone

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 8:34 AM  

Salt, Pense ran for the tall grass when the hot mic story broke (cancelled campaign appearance). Disagreeing is one thing... bailing out in a heated moment is another. Shame on Pense!! He has one job: support Trump.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 10, 2016 8:37 AM  

Salt, Pense ran for the tall grass when the hot mic story broke (cancelled campaign appearance). Disagreeing is one thing... bailing out in a heated moment is another. Shame on Pense!! He has one job: support Trump.

If that happened, that would set off another round of RNC infighting, and Trump would get dragged into that instead of attacking Clinton. The way Trump wins is by attacking Clinton and making the news cycle about her. Fighting with Pense doesn't advance that.

Anonymous #8601 October 10, 2016 8:39 AM  

Pence quote:

"Congrats to my running mate Donald Trump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we Make America Great Again."

Doesn't sound like a betrayal to me.

Blogger Lovekraft October 10, 2016 8:41 AM  

We on the alt-right have been pushing away those who wish to shame, distract and coddle us. The truth is, there's nothing they can offer that would override our desire to determine our own destinies.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 8:43 AM  

Trump can handle the Pense betrayal privately (I never said Trump should publicly reprimand/fire Pense, although Trump's words in the debate WAS public acknowledgement of their differences)... and I'm sure he will. I expect to see uber-support from Pense Trump's win in the debate makes Pense's cancellation look wimpy.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 10, 2016 8:44 AM  

Doesn't sound like a betrayal to me.

Sounds like a guy with his finger perpetually in the air checking which way the wind is blowing.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 8:47 AM  

@39
Pense's hasty back-peddling made me laugh. He knew he slit his own throat when he canceled the campaign appearance... and chances are Trump had already had speaks with him.

Blogger Lovekraft October 10, 2016 8:48 AM  

The moderators and Hillary pushed feminism talking points and other sjw crap (Islamophobia? Not a word. Opposition to an aggressive, deceitful political movement makes sense).

They can't win on her record, or policies and have to appeal to emotion. Keep down this road and our society will be ruled by the Tim Kaine's of the world.

Anonymous Wyatt Tiers October 10, 2016 8:49 AM  

You're delusional. Trumpslide? Lol.

Anonymous Takin' a Deplorable Look October 10, 2016 8:56 AM  

@ (((Wyatt))) Tiers

Make your Aliyah Plans now bagel-boy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 10, 2016 9:10 AM  

The official feminists as promoted by the establishment are bullies and much less loved than they think they are.

Females are in a constant battle in the hierarchy and the present top dogs are due for a metaphorical beatdown from the Alpha male our silverback DJT and a new set of females to move up the hierarchy.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt October 10, 2016 9:17 AM  

SciVo @15 - "And the sixth shows that she has a strange way of holding a pen, with multipoint bracing as if first to keep tremors from her arm, then from her hand, and then from her fingers;"

That IS a weird way of holding a pen. Just try it! It's like trying to hold a pen with your fist. I wonder if there are photos of Hillary writing a few years ago; I can't believe she's always done this, because it's extremely awkward and uncomfortable. It sure looks like its a reaction to some illness. Tremors of some sort, most likely. If someone else were doing that I might think arthritis.

Blogger al October 10, 2016 9:17 AM  

Trump didn't even mention the hemispherical open borders and trade quote from wikileaks. He must be saving it for the last debate, cause that was the worst thing from the leaks that I've seen.

Blogger Rusty Fife October 10, 2016 9:28 AM  

@42 5343 Kinds of Deplorable

Doesn't sound like a betrayal to me.

Sounds like a guy with his finger perpetually in the air checking which way the wind is blowing.


Or it could have been a tactical decision by the Trump campaign to let the initial energy burn down then let The Leader deal with it in the debate.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 9:34 AM  

RF, that could have been the strategy, given the bad advice Trump has acted on.
It looked like Pense was joining the NeverTrump gang who used this as an excuse to bail.
If Pense couldn't choke out the words, "I'm not interested in any man's locker room talk," then by all means, take him off the damn stage. He's not ready for prime time.

Blogger Cash October 10, 2016 9:36 AM  

They need to just debate each other.

Start with an opening question and then each other's mic is on for two minutes.

No moderators.

Anonymous EH October 10, 2016 9:43 AM  

Best meme of the Heartiste thread:
CAN'T STUMP THIS. Trump smug-mugging touchdown dance. It's Hammertime!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) October 10, 2016 9:44 AM  

If you want a baseline for where they stood pre-debate, the latest Rasmussen national poll has Clinton up by 7.

Anonymous FP October 10, 2016 9:52 AM  

NBC fact checking The Donald on "acid washing her emails" is hilarious. "She used an app called bleachbit, not a corrosive chemical." So there!

Blogger Zapp Brannigan October 10, 2016 10:02 AM  

@Sugar Pi

It's "Pence" not "Pense". It's hard to take your points seriously if you can't spell the man's name correctly.

Blogger Teri October 10, 2016 10:06 AM  

Pence cancelled the appearance with Paul Ryan. It would not have been good for him to have gone after Trump was disinvited.

Anonymous Broken Arrow October 10, 2016 10:08 AM  

@54 It looks like Hillary received a 4-6 point bump due to the tapes in one poll I saw which was taken before and after tape. Polls by the end of the week will take the tapes and debate into account and give a better picture of where things are.

Blogger JWM in SD October 10, 2016 10:13 AM  

Ransom,

Your wife is right to be concerned. I noticed the look on Bill's face last night and immediately had the same impression that your wife did. Billy looked pissed. ..

Anonymous Richardthughes October 10, 2016 10:20 AM  

You can get loooooong odds on Trump winning if you're confident. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 10:23 AM  

Well, ZB... Thank you for correcting me on that error. Are you also a grammar Nazi in other casual conversation?
I've seen folks who are smarter/wealthier/better educated/etc than I am make spelling mistakes and I still take them seriously, especially if it's a blog post obviously written in haste.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 10, 2016 10:23 AM  

Broken Arrow wrote:@54 It looks like Hillary received a 4-6 point bump due to the tapes in one poll I saw which was taken before and after tape. Polls by the end of the week will take the tapes and debate into account and give a better picture of where things are.
One point according to Politico.

Regardless, that'll dry up. This is one of those blows over types of things. Does anyone really think that Trump DOESN'T talk like that? Is anyone who has been paying attention AT ALL surprised that such a tape exists?

The only people who care about this at all are pearl-clutching, hand-wringing white knights. And MOST of them have only been voting for Trump because of the issues, not because they like him.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 10, 2016 10:25 AM  

SugarPi wrote:Well, ZB... Thank you for correcting me on that error. Are you also a grammar Nazi in other casual conversation?

I've seen folks who are smarter/wealthier/better educated/etc than I am make spelling mistakes and I still take them seriously, especially if it's a blog post obviously written in haste.

No, I can't take you seriously because your argument is ridiculous, and shows that you know little about what the event was or why Pence's appearance was cancelled when you rushed off half-cocked to try and call it a "betrayal." Your repeated misspelling of Pence's name was mostly just really irritating.

Anonymous fop October 10, 2016 10:26 AM  

Bill Clinton be like "That sumbitch ain't ever gonna be invited aboard the Lolita Express again!"

Anonymous Ivan Throne October 10, 2016 10:29 AM  

@5: And hang those skins from the White House fence.

Anonymous rienzi October 10, 2016 10:36 AM  

The debates are about killshots, the rest is just soon to be forgotten noise.

Reagan's: "There you go again".
Bentsen's: "John Kennedy was a friend of mine, you're no John Kennedy."

"I'm glad that Donald Trump is not in charge of our laws."
Trump: "Because you'd be in jail."

Killshot with a .45 right between the eyes. Fifty years from now this will be the only thing remebered about the campaign. Will become part of the country's folklore.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 10:37 AM  

@Teri... did Ryan disinvite Trump? If so, the reporting on this cancellation was (probably) deliberately misleading to make Pence look like the rest of the weasels. That's the way the report I heard sounded.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 10:47 AM  

@63 If what you're saying is correct, then mea culpa. A link to support your assertion would be appreciated.
I reserve the right to be skeptical of Pence.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 10, 2016 10:49 AM  

What I want to know is how Gallop keeps finding these undecided moslems to be present in town halls, even with taqiyya they at overrepresented. The PULSE shooters daddy campaigned for HilLIARy and the Washington mall Turk that killed 4 women illegally voted 3 times with tweeting that he voted for hilldog in the primary.

You know what draws flies, right?

Meth use draws flies to people
along with a few other substances, I take vit B1 before mosquito season. http://www.techtimes.com/articles/17623/20141011/insects-enjoy-buzz-study-finds-flies-attracted-beer.htm

I hope the Secret Service is on it's game, cause it's gloves off from the Clinton's now and we all now how the "fix" people problems.

I hope TRUMP is smart enough to have the women raped by Bill C he did a press conference with fly on a separate plane.

In the second she's playing an imaginary piano I guess? She was headbanging towards the end.

yes but it isn't always so blatant Just think if he had riled Cooper up about his moslem bacha bazi

Blogger JWM in SD October 10, 2016 10:51 AM  

Anyone else seeing all the reports that Hitlery won the debate? Is there an alternate universe I'm not aware of? Unbelievable. ...

Blogger U PC BRO? October 10, 2016 10:55 AM  

Hillary fucked up big time last night. Debate started slow, Trump energy seemed low. Passed on a couple obvious spots to take a shot. Then Hillary was lobbed what I'm sure the moderators thought was a softball and asked her about her reaction to the Donald tapes.

This is where she fucked up. The media had been pounding on these around the clock for the previous two days. Any damage to Trump was already done. The appropriate response for her was, "Donald has admitted that his remarks were shameful and highly inappropriate. He has apologized. I will let the American people decide if that apology is sincere. I'd now like to focus on the issues that are most important in this election."

That would have disarmed him and made him look unhinged if he went on the offensive. But after she harshly criticized him he now had license to open up the fire hose on her. I think biding his time and waiting for his opening was a brilliant tactical move. What was Hillary thinking? Trump had just had a presser with the women Bill harassed and raped, and they were sitting right there in the fucking audience! What did she think he was looking to do? When you're a target rich environment, don't give your opponent an opening. She should have disarmed it immediately.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 10, 2016 10:56 AM  

Bentsen's: "John Kennedy was a friend of mine, you're no John Kennedy."

I hollered to the TV for Dan to answer: And I am glad to not be JFK. I love my wife and I am faithful husband to her."

Anonymous Broken Arrow October 10, 2016 10:58 AM  

@62 I wouldn't be surprised if it was only 1 point, he's Trump.

The pearl clutching GOP cucks and establishment types are now voicing their dismay that American politics has descended to this point. I heard one complain this morning that the questions in the town hall were all about feelings and no policy.

They are so incredibly clueless it's amazing. Of COURSE IT'S ABOUT FEELZ. It's been that way for a long time now (Bill Clinton saxophone anyone? Kennedy/Nixon?) and isn't going to change in our lifetimes.

Perhaps the GOP should take notice that we truly are a nation of feeling idiots who are swayed and outraged by the 24 hour news cycle, can't concentrate for more than 5 seconds on anything, massive amount of people are using anti-depressants or self-medicating with opiates and weed, and are generally outraged and despairing about their country going to hell.

No, let's instead discuss decorum, lament that people vote with feelings, and reminisce about Reagan and talk about Hayek. Trump gets that people are angry and all the logic in the world isn't going to overcome that emotion. The establishment still doesn't get it, but I think a few are starting to realize that something has changed.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner October 10, 2016 11:13 AM  

trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/ More like "desperate story". Gotta love the Compost; they never change.

That's actually better than if they sat there & it was not reported.

Disagreeing is one thing... bailing out in a heated moment is another. Shame on Pense!! He has one job: support Trump.

It may have been planned to let the story go until TRUMP could kill it himself in the debate. If they think they have a great weapon they wont load up on other weapons. It was TRUMP using that as cover to go on the attack without appearing mean. He didn't attack HilLIARy the first debate because the D team already printed up material about him being mean.

That IS a weird way of holding a pen. Just try it! It's like trying to hold a pen with your fist.

Parkinson's patients are given things that look like carrots to hold.

If Pense couldn't choke out the words, "I'm not interested in any man's locker room talk,"

I even tell Bill Clinton jokes when people tell hooker jokes in the locker rooms. I was telling gay people complaining about it that they must never have been in a locker room other than at the bath houses.

NBC fact checking The Donald on "acid washing her emails" is hilarious. "She used an app called bleachbit, not a corrosive chemical."

When I kicked one guy out of my place I had to take a hammer to my hard drive.

SugarPi Are you also a grammar Nazi in other casual

Around here we accept logical typos. When every I talk about Clinton lying about her favorite ice crime flavor, I have to make sure I didn't make a mistake.

Anyone else seeing all the reports that Hitlery won the debate?

Faggot news says so also. Their is also allegations TRUMP said the N word. The Khans are back in the news also, good thing their son died before he went sudden jihad syndrome. The FT Hood shooter killed more US soldiers than there are moslems who died serving the US in the past 100 years.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 10, 2016 11:18 AM  

@73 Broken Arrow:

Of COURSE IT'S ABOUT FEELZ. It's been that way for a long time now (Bill Clinton saxophone anyone? Kennedy/Nixon?) and isn't going to change in our lifetimes.

Indeed it is, my Catholic mother voted for JFK on that basis. Didn't repeat her mistake, but that one election was the final fatal one for the Republic as far as I can tell.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 10, 2016 11:19 AM  

The distinct lack of liberal posts on FB this morning about the debate makes it pretty clear Hillary's supporters think she got her clock cleaned last night. They're a pretty demoralized bunch today.

Blogger Scott6584 October 10, 2016 11:26 AM  

As a guy who backed Cruz 100%, I sure hope that Trump pulls out a victory. I'm glad that Cruz is on board, not only with a (late) endorsement, but that he's making calls on behalf of Trump.

Anything to stop Clinton...

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 11:36 AM  

Multiple news outlets from the Indy Star to ABC to Cosmo quoted Pence saying he was offended by Trump's remark, then came the cancellation announcement. That sounded like a betrayal to me.
I'm still waiting for a link to support DG's assertion that I know nothing about the cancellation.
DG, are you out there?

Anonymous Pennywise October 10, 2016 11:42 AM  

"As I said on Twitter... Trump destroyed her last night. Anyone who says otherwise is selling BS."

Yes, Trump "destroyed" her by stating the obvious, as what has been saturated in the media for months. If that's what people want to hang their hats on, then the train is fine.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 11:43 AM  

Can anybody out there produce a link proving I know nothing about Pence's cancellation of the campaign event?
I'm asking and Rules of the Blog say I must be accommodated.
I really want to know if I am wrong about something, even if it's pointed out to me in a rude way.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 11:47 AM  

Wanda Sherratt wrote:That IS a weird way of holding a pen. Just try it! It's like trying to hold a pen with your fist.
I have to hold a pen that way sometimes due to nerve damage in my hand. I've seen a lot of arthritis victims do the same to avoid putting pressure on the last knuckle in the finger.

I'd wager that that's arthritis. Which is to be expected in a 70-year-old woman's hands.


Does the GOP think anyone voted for Reagan because of policy positions? Reagan's policy positions were ridiculed 24x7 in the news media.
Americans voted for Reagan because Carter made them feel discouraged and hopeless, and Reagan made them feel optimistic and safe.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 11:48 AM  

Is Hillary doodling upside-down hearts on the page?

Game is real.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric October 10, 2016 12:17 PM  

SugarPi wrote:@63 If what you're saying is correct, then mea culpa. A link to support your assertion would be appreciated.

I reserve the right to be skeptical of Pence.

I reserve the right to tell you to google it yourself. It took me all of 10 seconds to find that Pence canceled the event because it was a Ryan sponsored event, and Ryan had literally just stabbed the Trump campaign in the back. I'm sure you can do it too.

Anonymous Bob Just October 10, 2016 12:27 PM  

I cheered when Trump said this.

Notice right after Trump mentioned the Deplorables at
https://youtu.be/OyDSCKYz5sA?t=1h16m49s

Hillary's eyes have a glitch in tracking.

Blogger Steve Bensen October 10, 2016 12:29 PM  

How do you get on gab... I signed up to get an invite but no invite has come...

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis October 10, 2016 12:33 PM  

>I reserve the right to tell you to google it yourself. It took me all of 10 seconds to find that Pence canceled the event because it was a Ryan sponsored event, and Ryan had literally just stabbed the Trump campaign in the back. I'm sure you can do it too.

If that is true, and I have no reason to think it is not, that is the mark of a loyal associate and additional verification that Trump chose his VP wisely.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 12:37 PM  

Steve Bensen wrote:How do you get on gab... I signed up to get an invite but no invite has come...
It took them about 2.5 weeks to get mine out.
Thy are issuing them at a faster pace, but they are throttling invites to match their capacity.

Gab is still in beta and the hardware is still being built out.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 12:38 PM  

DG,I did do a search. Pence criticized Trump in an official statement. That's a betrayal. Period.
So whatever excuse was used to justify the cancellation is subject to skepticism, IMO.

Anonymous Tipsy October 10, 2016 12:39 PM  

Scott Adams calls it for the Donald.

He ends with asking a Swiss local about why he favors Trump, and ends with this:

"I also asked the Swiss man what kind of problems they have in Switzerland. He laughed again. The answer is “none.” Literally. ... Trump is trying to make America a bit more like Switzerland. Clinton is trying to make America less like Switzerland. ... "

Better yet: Trump is trying to make the US more like Switzerland. Clinton is trying to make the US more like Swaziland.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 12:45 PM  

SugarPi wrote:DG,I did do a search. Pence criticized Trump in an official statement. That's a betrayal. Period.

So whatever excuse was used to justify the cancellation is subject to skepticism, IMO.


Okay, we're up to doubling down.
Any bets on how long before we get to projection?

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 12:54 PM  

BTW, Pence has cancelled a fundraiser in NJ today. I know, I know, because reasons.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 1:08 PM  

And tripling down.

Let it go, dude. Don't be a gamma.

Anonymous physics geek October 10, 2016 1:11 PM  

It started off rough, but then Trump clearly had Granny Shakes McFaceplant on her heels for a good part of the rest of it. Seemed like a strong performance by Trump to me.

That said, I don't know how much it's going to change the Electoral College math, which has been stacked against Trump from the beginning. Should he surge up to and through the next debate (don't be surprised if the 'moderators' put a ball gag on Trump and play pictures of puppies playing when Hillary screeches), he'll have a chance. Right now though? I just don't see it and here's why:

Virginia: I live there. It's run by the Clintons' bagman and has been infested by a huge number of federal teat-suckers since 2008. No way does it go GOP.

North Carolina: teetering on the knife's edge right now. Should Trump lose that state, turn off the TV and go to bed. However, I'll assume right now that he narrowly wins NC.

Ohio: this one is the most important. Should Trump win there, it would be a good sign for him. Right now, it doesn't look good. However, I expect some improvement and I'll give him that one, too.

Arizona: McCain is a turd, but let's say AZ goes Trump

Pennsylvania: the Great White Whale for the GOP. Not this year.

Florida: I'll give Trump Florida because without it this discussion is pointless.

Georgia: goes GOP

Iowa: leaning towards Trump right now

Maine's 2nd CD: red

NH and WI: stays Dem

So now I'm down to Nevada and Minnesota. Even giving Trump NV, which isn't likely right now, he's only at 268 EVs. Minnesota is not going GOP this year.

Obviously, this is a snapshot of the race, albeit a somewhat optimistic one based on current polling which, admittedly, does not factor in last night's debate. Should Trump surge-and he needs to do so- one or more states could flip.

I discussed this with Nate on Twitter. He believes Trump will sweep through the Rust Belt. I disagree, but that's just my opinion based on my analysis of the EC.

If you care, here's the somewhat optimistic map that I've just discussed:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html?map=HI_1,AK_6,FL_7,NH_3,MI_3,VT_1,ME_7,ME1_2,ME2_7,RI_2,NY_1,PA_3,NJ_3,DE_2,MD_1,VA_3,WV_5,OH_7,IN_7,IL_2,CT_3,WI_3,NC_7,DC_1,MA_1,TN_6,AR_5,MO_7,GA_7,SC_7,KY_5,AL_5,LA_6,MS_6,IA_7,MN_4,OK_5,TX_7,NM_3,KS_6,NE_5,NE2_6,SD_6,ND_5,WY_5,MT_6,CO_3,ID_5,UT_6,AZ_7,NV_4,OR_2,WA_2,CA_1

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 10, 2016 1:18 PM  

@91 SugarPi:

BTW, Pence has cancelled a fundraiser in NJ today. I know, I know, because reasons.

Did it occur to you that those reasons might be "It's a trap!"? Because the GOPe's mask is off, and they're doing everything they can to get Hillary elected, we can't assume any previously arranged event that involves them, as is especially likely with fundraisers, is actually going to be what it's supposed to be when a member of Team Trump shows up.

Anonymous Trash Talker October 10, 2016 1:25 PM  

"There is nearly one month to go. He's running against a criminal and he's already ahead in some national polls. The final push hasn't even begun"

It's not even close. Trump so thoroughly fucked himself that the it's nearly impossible to completely describe the depth of the hole he is in. By the end of the week, the average poll will have him 10 points down.

And it's not the GOP's fault. It's the voters fault. They were told he was a flawed candidate and he keeps proving it not only with his absurd private life and absurd views, but by being on state with someone who can actually give a half way substantive response in comparison to his responses...which can only be described as a fiasco.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 1:31 PM  

Trash Talker wrote:It's not even close. Trump so thoroughly fucked himself that the it's nearly impossible to completely describe the depth of the hole he is in. By the end of the week, the average poll will have him 10 points down.

The question you have to ask yourself is "How does the candidate make people feel?"
Not "What do they think of him?" Not "What are his policy positions?"

"How does he make them feel?"

Hillary just makes me feel tired all over.
Trump makes me feel like there's some hope of living in a great country again

Anonymous Trash Talker October 10, 2016 1:42 PM  

"Trump makes me feel like there's some hope of living in a great country again"

This is most certainly true. However, it appears to be true for a number of people to small to push an election toward Trump. What's becoming clear is that more people believe Hillary is better qualified to run the U.S., despite how some folks feel.

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2016 1:43 PM  

> My wife is now beginning to worry that Trump will be next on the Clinton kill list.

So is mine. "Woman's intuition" at work?

> Pence cancelled the appearance with Paul Ryan.

Of course he did. Ryan pulled his endorsement of Trump, so Pence pulled out of the appearance.

> How do you get on gab... I signed up to get an invite but no invite has come...

It took three weeks for them to approve my application. The approval came through last night.

Cash the check while it's still good, Trash Talker. Soros will be cancelling all of them after the election.

Anonymous SugarPi October 10, 2016 1:55 PM  

TWBT, in short, yes, I understand that completely.
Am I the only one who thinks Pence betrayed Trump in his official statement (calling into question the cancellations)?
Would Pence be a team player if Trump hadn't done so well in the debate?
And I'm ridiculous for questioning Pence?
Does Pence look at his own prospects for 2020?
Do you have secret, inside sources? If not, I'm thinking I wouldn't want Pence or his apologists in my foxhole.





Do you have secret inside sources? If not, I don't think I'd want any of you in my foxhole.

Blogger Arthur Isaac October 10, 2016 1:56 PM  

The quality of troll has steadily decreased this election season.

Brain drain?

Blogger weka October 10, 2016 2:07 PM  

Trump so thoroughly fucked himself that the it's nearly impossible to completely describe the depth of the hole he is in. By the end of the week, the average poll will have him 10 points down.

Yeah, right.

Got home from the gym to find both boys excited. about the burns the Trumpenfuhrer had put own the Hillbot. Complete with replays, reading the open thread here. One son had been in a workshop by a Human Resources Lecturer who was worse than stupid, and the demotivation she imparted two weeks before his final exams was lifted.

The Consensus here was that Trump won big. The local media are talking about the questions, and calling the debate incoherent.

I am not disinterested; I live in NZ and the USA tends to treat the Pacific in a manner akin to a bully in a sandpit.

But Hillary 10 points up? Get real. The Kraken has woken, and it is seeking trolls to devour. This is going to get very, very interesting. In the Chinese sense.

Hang on over there. It will be turbulent.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 10, 2016 2:10 PM  

Arthur Isaac wrote:Brain drain?
Demoralization.  They're believers, and they're losing hope.

Blogger bob k. mando ( Ich bin ein Fuhrer auf die Alt-Retard ... and you can too ) October 10, 2016 2:32 PM  

42. 5343 Kinds of Deplorable October 10, 2016 8:44 AM
Sounds like a guy with his finger perpetually in the air checking which way the wind is blowing.



just the kind of gormless worm the Repukelican establishment loves to keep around for sucking dick on command.


92. Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 1:08 PM
Let it go, dude. Don't be a gamma.



since when does a man choose 'SugarPi(e)' as a self appellation?

anyway, this appears to be the order of events:
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/mike_pence_cancels_ocean_county_fundraiser_for_tru.html


1 - Trump has campaign appearance scheduled in Wisconsin with Cuckryan, would be first appearance together
2 - 'grab em by the pussy' breaks
3 - Cuckryan disavows Trump
4 - Pence is subbed in for Trump at the Wisconsin event, *by Trump*
5 - Pence does NOT show in Wisconsin
6 - Pence further fails to show at scheduled event in NJ
7 - paper requests press release from campaign clarifying why Pence is cancelling and asking if he intends to honor upcoming dates in NC. no answer is forthcoming from campaign.

now, this all hinges on WHY Pence is cancelling appearances, to which there doesn't appear to be an official answer yet. but the evidence would tend to suggest that Pence is experiencing Delta balls and is shriveling up because someone dared to speak honestly about women.

which Deltas can't tolerate.

Deltas/lower need women on a pedestal.

Anonymous Trash Talker October 10, 2016 2:37 PM  

"The Consensus here was that Trump won big."

I think he won also. However, even winning a debate can't help him. I doubt if he won by a knock out would have helped him. Honestly, the only thing that could possibly put Trump on a path toward a win is a HUGE Clinton Scandal. That's not coming.

Anonymous BGKB October 10, 2016 2:51 PM  

Trump so thoroughly fucked himself that the it's nearly impossible to completely describe the depth of the hole he is in

HilLIARy's pussy? I hear Huma's whole head fits in there.

Do you have secret inside sources? If not, I don't think I'd want any of you in my foxhole...when does a man choose 'SugarPi(e)' as a self appellation?

Sugar from my secret source your hole can fit 2 guys.

Cash the check while it's still good, Trash Talker. Soros will be cancelling all of them after the election

I thought it was a conspiracy theory that the Saudi royal family was jewish until I saw that they made the year 11 days longer to be cheaper with salaries. http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/are-the-saudis-going-bankrupt/

Trump on a path toward a win is a HUGE Clinton Scandal. That's not coming

He would need something like Bill Clinton visiting kiddy sex island dozens of times, or WikiLeaks.


OT: “For Russia, Hillary Clinton is the most desired candidate,” says Mr. Kiselyov. “One more proof of that came when it was made known in the US that Mrs. Clinton, while visiting Moscow at some point, left behind the secret documents, and not just some documents, but a bag-full of selected secret documents." http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/russias-media-mouthpiece-endorses-clinton/

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2016 2:57 PM  

> "You'll be in jail"

Incidentally, I hope Hillary's Depends were nice and fresh before that line. :)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 10, 2016 3:10 PM  

Trash Talker wrote:"The Consensus here was that Trump won big."

I think he won also. However, even winning a debate can't help him. I doubt if he won by a knock out would have helped him. Honestly, the only thing that could possibly put Trump on a path toward a win is a HUGE Clinton Scandal. That's not coming.

Tell me, does it feel good, selling out for so fucking little?

Blogger bob k. mando ( Ich bin ein Fuhrer auf die Alt-Retard ... and you can too ) October 10, 2016 3:32 PM  

103. Trash Talker October 10, 2016 2:37 PM
the only thing that could possibly put Trump on a path toward a win is a HUGE Clinton Scandal. That's not coming.



there are multiple huge Clinton scandals already existing.

it's just that the media won't talk about any of them, at least not honestly.

anyone who has any consideration for the Rule of Law whatsoever will never allow Hillary the Presidency.

which is what is so revealing about Cuckryan.

Blogger James Dixon October 10, 2016 3:34 PM  

> I think he won also. However,

Shut up, Tad.

Anonymous SugarPI October 10, 2016 3:52 PM  

BGKB, since my husband was with the 173rd Army Airborne in Viet Nam, I often use war terms and your crudeness won't shock me. In addition, sugar isn't always sucrose and pi isn't pie.

Anonymous BGKB October 10, 2016 3:55 PM  

sugar isn't always sucrose and pi isn't pie. Who peed in the fructose punch? Don't drink the kool aid.

Blogger Matamoros October 10, 2016 4:03 PM  

Trump has to be careful how badly he pummels Evil Hillary. "Oh, he hit a woman", is the refrain from Team Woman if he gets to rough.

So Trump has to hit her hard, but in a fair way. Notice he did not raise his voice against her during the debate. He also let her start the mud, and then buried her with facts.

Then, at the end he gave the compliment, and ended on a nice note. So women caught that and didn't perceive him as anti-woman - which is what Evil Hillary's handlers had wanted.

Evil Hillary was punch drunk last night. She took so many hits that there was little she could do except play a poor defense.

And, consider that Trump had punked the MSM before the debate by having a pre-debate interview for the MSM that was actually a Bill & Hillary support rape fest with the 4 women.

Anonymous Anonymous October 10, 2016 4:23 PM  

When future political scientists analyze this campaign, they will view the Trump tape as the key error of the Clinton campaign.
When reasonable people see that the worst they can accuse of Trump is using the P word and you compare this to Hillary Clintons years of corruption and criminality, the choice is clear. 99% of American men and women have used it at least once in their lives. And that is what the Clinton campaign did. They clearly defined themselves and defined Trump as one of us. He is like us and we are like him.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 10, 2016 4:50 PM  

@109
BGKB, since my husband was with the 173rd Army Airborne in Viet Nam

So you are older than Hillary Rodan Robot Clinton?

Anonymous BGKB October 10, 2016 6:03 PM  

Oy Vey they are pushing an alternative narrative for all the Clinton Deaths.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/10/10/wikileaks-bill-and-chelsea-clintons-office-crap-almost-drove-clinton-foundation-official-to-suicide/

She was on staten island in her car parked a few feet from the waters edge with her foot on the gas pedal and the car in park. She called me to tell me the stress of all of this office crap with wjc and cvc as well as that of her family had driven her to the edge and she couldn’t take it anymore.


WJC and CVC refers to William Jefferson Clinton and Chelsea Victoria Clinton, Brand wrote that this wasn't the first time he had prevented Graham from killing herself in recent months.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 10, 2016 8:42 PM  

@4 a deplorable rubberducky
Trump killed her tonight. So obvious. The incredible thing to me was CNN, they promoted the absolute fiction that Cankles won hands down.
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CNN is now a parody channel

Blogger Were-Puppy October 10, 2016 8:43 PM  

@5 Tommy Hass
Politico claiming that Clinton won.

Please skin these people alive after the Trumpening. Thanks in advance. :^)
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There were some epic beating being delivered on Twitter last night. Somehow even John Voit jumped Deniros shit lol

Blogger Were-Puppy October 10, 2016 8:45 PM  

@6 Phillip George
It was nearly an identical fly to Obama's. I suspect a micro drone that's been hacked by Anonymous.
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This one guy I follow who says part of anonymous was hinting at some very serious dirt on Slick Willie. They got the photos of bill and and underage girl. They got the girls name, and know apparently about some pedo island stuff they are threatening to drop.

True or not? I have no idea.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 10, 2016 9:04 PM  

@28 SugarPi
Now Trump needs to address Pense's betrayal.
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Was no Pence betrayal, that was an LSM creation.

Blogger tublecane October 10, 2016 11:39 PM  

@7-Was Romney's the principled route? I remember that debate being about foreign policy, and truly the Republican establishment and the Obama administration were of the same mind on trying to run the world. So you could say Romney was being honest by rolling over and spending the entire debate essentially saying, "what he said." There wasn't any good reason to give it all to Obama, though. Mittens didn't even bother repeating what Obama said and changing a couple of words. He just sat there like Obama's press agent, or something.

I know the score. He didn't want to associate himself with the Bush fiasco, and he couldn't go all peacenik because no one would believe it and his overlords wouldn't be pleased. Obama could deliver a Bush speech word for word, complete with Axis of Evil and if you're not with us you're with the terrorists, and no one would confuse him with Bush. Because he's Obama.

Romney had a million outs. He could have argued over minutiae. He could have repeated what Obama said and pretended he said something different, as I mentioned above. Anything but what he did, which was to concede the debate from its inception, live in front of a he nation. Which, if nothing else, made it a waste of our time. It was the debate equivalent of McCain's saying Obama was perfectly qualified and refusing to go after his past four years earlier.

I was dumbstruck at the time. I was red-pilled enough at the time, but still, I expected them to at least pretend not to be the Uniparty. Romney stripped off his mask and revealed Obama beneath. Is that principle, or ineptitude? Either way, it was like a glitch in the matrix.

Blogger tublecane October 10, 2016 11:41 PM  

By the way, anyone complaining about the jail commercial and fearing us slipping into a Banana Republic because of it is either two-faced or an idiot on account of Nixon. That happened, remember? That's why we call every damn thing a "gate."

Blogger tublecane October 10, 2016 11:43 PM  

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Blogger Cail Corishev October 11, 2016 1:19 AM  

The DNC should be paying Dreher for helping plan and execute their Narrative. But maybe that warm feeling of moral superiority is reward enough.

Blogger Curlytop October 11, 2016 7:00 AM  

Agreed. The next debate will have to be viewed with a partial mute on Hilldawg's portion to protect against her shrill, bitter voice.

That started to show up last night with her snarky, pompous attempts to deflect Trump's razor sharp attacks.

Ready for Trump to finish her off!

Anonymous That Would Be Telling October 11, 2016 8:27 AM  

@119 tublecane:

By the way, anyone complaining about the jail commercial and fearing us slipping into a Banana Republic because of it is either two-faced or an idiot on account of Nixon. That happened, remember?

I also remember Ford's inaugral statement that "our long national nightmare is over" followed almost exactly in a month with his pardoning of Nixon, and my mother telling me he'd just thrown away any chances of getting elected in 1976.

So your analogy doesn't work.

Blogger bosscauser October 11, 2016 11:22 AM  

Pence not going anywhere except to the White. And in 2024, he's the guy to beat😉

Let's go #Trump and hurry !

Blogger bosscauser October 11, 2016 11:22 AM  

Pence not going anywhere except to the White. And in 2024, he's the guy to beat😉

Let's go #Trump and hurry !

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