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Monday, November 21, 2016

Football in America

Peter King promotes an interesting, and unintentionally revealing, SI piece called "Football in America"
SI’s “Football in America” issue is a heck of a read. Writers Greg Bishop and Michael McKnight toured the country throughout October to ask hundreds of Americans—from strippers to Jerry Jones to 10-year-old girl players to gamblers to inner-city coaches to Roger Goodell to tailgating fans—how they feel about the state of football. The finished product, edited by Adam Duerson, was entitled Football in America and is a compelling, comprehensive read. I was taken with how many of the interviewees despised Colin Kaepernick’s protest of the anthem and the American flag, and how that’s not going away. I asked Bishop and McKnight about their takeaways from a month deep-diving into the soul of the game.

McKnight: “What I’ll take with me was the sheer quantity of dichotomy and conflict we found. We experienced it at every turn. From a hard-boiled Let-em-play! advocate taking a reflective moment to acknowledge, Yes, this sport does scramble brains to the mother whose teenage son died after a catastrophic brain and spine injury; she adjusted our interview appointment so she could watch the Raiders game. Americans are uncomfortable about the game and about the self-contradictions it inspires in them. This is all highly unscientific, but to me, the ‘Football is going soft’ crowd seemed much easier to be found in states that were won by the Republican presidential candidate, whereas those concerned about the game’s future (and the futures of those who play it) felt more prevalent in so-called blue areas (cities, non-Southern coasts, etc.). I didn’t expect this to be as stark as it was.”

Bishop: “I'd say that 95 percent of the people that I spoke with were conflicted. And many not in ways that I expected. Like the Kansas offensive lineman I spoke with who made the pragmatic decision to retire from concussions. He loved football so much he cried about the decision he had to make … The majority of people I spoke with were angry and disillusioned and wanted change—but they often wanted change back to the way that football was. I sensed they felt the same way about their lives. It was like they feel like the world we live in has gotten impossibly complicated, and that what they want is a simpler, romanticized, idealized time -- a time that may not even be real but that they remember fondly. That came across so much more strongly than I anticipated. And yet, if you're talking favorite moments, it's hard to beat the Friday night I spent in Allen, Texas, at the $60-million high school stadium. The pageantry, the skill level, the barbecue, the Balding Eagles booster club, the stadium perch for the boosters. A lot of people would watch that scene and think that it's everything wrong with football. But it didn't feel that way when you were there. It felt like all the best of football rolled into one place.”
This is yet another demonstration that the white population of the USA is essentially two different nations. The media, which is populated by the smaller Globalist White population, has virtually no familiarity, or understanding, of the Nationalist White population, as evidenced even by these well-meaning attempts to do so. On what planet is the opinion of strippers and 10-year-old girls playing linebacker even remotely relevant to the NFL?

Football is merely one of the many friction points now fraying at the fabric of society. It's been remarkable to see how the Globalist Whites have steadfastly denied what is manifestly obvious to everyone about the declining NFL ratings. It's not that anyone actually cares what Colin Kaepernick or the players imitating him actually think, it is the symbolic nature of their actions that have infuriated millions of Nationalist Whites as well as more than a few pro-American minorities.

Despite living in Europe and being a player and coach of the game of football proper, which is to say, calcio, the beautiful game, I still love American football, particularly the chess game that is the NFL variety. But there are certainly times, such as when the idiot refs throw a flag on an irrelevant block-in-the-back penalty that negates a great punt return, or a highly questionable roughing-the-passer penalty on 4th-and-19 that gives a defeated team an undeserved second shot at winning a game it has already lost, that I'm tempted to turn off the TV. And the fact that the NFL is coddling anti-American protesters like Kaepernick only makes it that much more easy to do so.

And yes, NFL-hating spergs, you can do your tedious thing here, as for once, it is not off-topic. It won't make any difference to anyone, you understand, but you can tell us all about your opinion that means nothing to any of us if you feel the need to do so.

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166 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 21, 2016 8:05 AM  

Speaking of out of touch at Drudge there is a link to a MSM article about how advertisers think they are out of touch with middle America. And frankly that was one of the worst aspects of watching an NFL product the adverts highlighting the ever present white doofus opposite the uberDemokratikmanwomyn.

Plus after decades of being primarily an NFL fan I would rather watch college especially second tier schools that break the caste system and allow whites to play positions that the NFL black cult frowns upon.

Blogger LonestarWhacko November 21, 2016 8:06 AM  

I long for the day when Football wasn't PC. Now, I don't care. You see, Kaepernick was the canary in the mine. Let them rot. White folks have better things to do with our money.

Blogger Tim November 21, 2016 8:11 AM  

I stopped watching the NFL in 2011 after the "Fail Mary" game. (btw, it was three bad calls, not just the one)


Similar to real life regulations, it seems like the NFL has so many rules that even the announcers don't seem do understand them all.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 8:15 AM  

There are several problems with football none of which involve hand-wringing over player safety.

1) over-officiating.

2) Football is defined by collisions. Defense is what makes football amazing. That's why the arena leagues never took off. If offense was all that mattered... arena football would be beating the NFL right now. But it isn't. the reason those amazing 50 yard catches are so awesome is that they come against a great defense and they've been struggling all game... then finally... one big play hits and its euphoric. But take away all the danger for the receivers and the QB... and its just practice.

That said.. this really isn't about football.

its about very different populations of people being forced to live together in a marriage of mutually assured destruction.

Blogger Orville November 21, 2016 8:17 AM  

And Chief's QB Alex Smith wears a safety pin.

Blogger VoodooJock November 21, 2016 8:20 AM  

Football used to be one of the places you could put aside the world and its attendant problems for a couple hours and just enjoy yourself. Kind of like how the movies was. You go there, the problems with work, the bills, the kids, schoolwork, whatever went away. Black, white, whatever, we were all part of the same side when your team took the field.

They brought the world's problems onto the field with them. For a person that just wants some peace for a couple hours and maybe a frosty beverage or three to enjoy as well, the encroachment of life's noise sucks the enjoyment out of the game and makes one go and find other things to do.

That's the surge in popularity with the high school stadiums, and the collegiate game. You're still on the same side and the world's problems are still left outside the gate. The players still play for because they enjoy it.

For now.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 8:22 AM  

"And Chief's QB Alex Smith wears a safety pin."

well how else is he gonna keep his diaper on?

Blogger allyn71 November 21, 2016 8:24 AM  

I gave up fantasy football this year and without that I could care less about the NFL. Wife is watching more than I am this year.

I watched 30 sec. this week and the first thing I saw was an unnecessary roughness call against the Cardinals for essentially playing too hard. They called hit to the head on a tackle against a wide reciever that was trying to twist out of an ankle tackle for more yards on the sideline. The hit was legal and clean. I said "F" it and vowed no more NFL this season.

To the OP, football has taken over as the American pastime and the health of the game reflects the health of the country.

Blogger JACIII November 21, 2016 8:37 AM  

VD,
College football is still football. Pick an SEC team and roll (tide) with it. You won't miss the NFL.

Same goes for basketball. You can watch NBA players at Kentucky.

Anonymous Bz November 21, 2016 8:39 AM  

Part of the problem has to be players participating for too long, if concussions actually become a problem. (Q: Do they really or is this media, lawyers and "activists" creeping us out again?) I assume it's the professionalization of the game that leads to this overexposure.

I followed the NFL on a strictly novice level for a few years, but I've found rugby to be more congenial to my tastes. It's like a very long, large, polite brawl.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 8:42 AM  

"Part of the problem has to be players participating for too long, if concussions actually become a problem. "

i would argue the issue with concussions is the same in football as it is in boxing. They added equipment to make the women feel better about watching it... and that "safety equipment" actually ended up making the game significantly more dangerous than it was.

The helmet made the head a weapon.

You want to stop all the concusions? Make them take the pads off.

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 21, 2016 8:44 AM  

I grew up playing (a kinda harsh version of) football in a parking lot and on the side of a rather steep hill. Wasn't very good at it, but it was fun.

What is this "NFL" thing of which you speak?

(And yes, I'm not from Texas, but I will testify that Friday-night Texas high school football is a work of collective performance art which puts Meredith Monk to shame.)

If this puts me on the sperg list, so be it. Actually I always preferred playing ice hockey anyway.

Blogger SS November 21, 2016 8:47 AM  

Yesterday I missed all the games and didn't even notice it. I still will sit down on many Sundays and spend the day watching, but I've also had the former scenario happen more and more often without trying. They really are killing themselves and have no idea why.

Blogger Lazarus November 21, 2016 8:48 AM  

I did not see any mention of Pink October.

Pink panties, yes, Pink October, no.

Media cover-up.

Blogger Sambuca Ford November 21, 2016 8:48 AM  

"...the health of the game reflects the health of the country."

A health that SI, et al, seek to alter via social experimentation and making the NFL an "experience" while the game is now 5th or 6th on the list of importance.

For me the league died its 100th and final death when Peter King made the statement on air that Michael Sam NOT being drafted would've been a "nightmare scenario" for the league. Fell out of my chair laughing.

Blogger Salt November 21, 2016 8:48 AM  

Nate wrote:You want to stop all the concusions? Make them take the pads off.

Show us on the doll where the other player touched you.

Blogger RC November 21, 2016 8:48 AM  

"...It is a reality of life that men are competitive and the most competitive games draw the most competitive men. That's why they are there - to compete. To know the rules and objectives when they get in the game. The objective is to win fairly, squarely, by the rules - but to win. And in truth, I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline. There is something in good men that really yearns for discipline and the harsh reality of head-to-head combat."--Vince Lombardi

This is why I used to play and, later, why I used to watch, like two Greek phalanx engaged but with archers and cavalry and spies adding to the fog of battle, gifted generals on both sides seeking victory with battle plans and real-time changes based upon variables too numerous to catalog, one coming out victorious, the other defeated, but able to fight another day.

Now, for whatever reason, I don't care. I wish I did.

Anonymous JACIII November 21, 2016 8:49 AM  

Down and Out in... wrote: Actually I always preferred playing ice hockey anyway.


Communist

Blogger HungarianPatriot November 21, 2016 8:53 AM  

Lol I agree with Roissy; NFL's some cuck shit. And football is a shit game. Go play rugby or boxing or smn.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 21, 2016 8:53 AM  

Yesterday, Neon gave fellow Seminole Xavier Rhodes a little friendly guff for failing to high step and show the ball after his 100 yd TD interception.

Rhodes response? A glum "You know the NFL now. It would have gotten called back."

Smart guy, much preferred to the idiotic unaware "fumble on purpose at the 1 to celebrate the pending touchdown" guys, but that simple observation is damning:

"You know the NFL now."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 21, 2016 8:56 AM  

WAG time American football loses out to futbol over time. Not because of immigration of futbol fans to our shores but the fact that concentrating white kids into mega schools basically excludes the skinny kids in favor of the ringers who comprise the few percentage size wise. When our kid went to college the young men in her social circle were all soccer players because of size issues. pointless being the 5th string CB on a 8A football juggernaut. Lacrosse is picking up steam in leafy suburbia, and they play in the fall.

Anonymous wildcard November 21, 2016 8:57 AM  

1. Penalties and whether they are called correctly, or not called correctly negatively affect the viewing experience
2. NFL coverage focusing on peripheral issues, i.e. political bullshit moves the focus to a point where the audience may become polarized toward the NFL itself, rather than the individual teams, e.g. Kaepernick going from 49er representative to NFL representative


Personally I think they should legalize holding, at least for the linemen. Every time I see a big play I have to temper expectations/enthusiasm and look for a flag, and I'm constantly seeing obvious holds that don't get called. Either call everything or nothing, and calling nothing is easier and makes the game more fluid and watchable. QB's would probably be injured less as well.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 21, 2016 8:57 AM  

On what planet is the opinion of strippers and 10-year-old girls playing linebacker even remotely relevant to the NFL?

Just the one where Roger Goodell is desperately courting female fans, for SJW reasons and because they'll spend a lot of money on merchandise. But they don't want to see anyone get hurt, or at least he thinks they don't.

Actual football fans (mostly men and a few women) understand that there will be injuries, including some serious ones. So they want leagues to make a reasonable attempt to protect the players -- which was done decades ago -- but beyond that, they understand that a certain amount of risk is unavoidable, and they're all volunteers, and at the pro level they get paid very well to take that risk. As Nate points out, they've probably passed the point of diminishing returns, so now they may be causing as many injuries as they prevent with each new equipment or rule change. But that doesn't matter to the NFL, as long as they can run spots assuring their female and effeminate fans that they're Doing Everything Possible.

Replace "football players" with "coal miners" or "rodeo clowns," and the same thing is true. Men's work is dangerous, some types more than others, so you make a reasonable attempt to reduce the risk, and then you either get on with it or find a different job.

Blogger Mikey P November 21, 2016 8:58 AM  

I quit watching pro football when Bud Adams moved the Houston Oilers, my team, to Tennessee and renamed them the Titans.

I boycott pro sports in general. Overpaid primadonnas, that are now pushing their personal beliefs and politics on us. Screw them.

That being said, I do like to watch a good college football game, especially if it is a rivalry like UT/OU. But only if I have nothing better to do.

I like to go watch the high school football here in Texas. They did get that right in their questionable attempt of journalism. In fact, the local team is going to play in the third round of the state finals this coming Friday. I have attended all of their home games.

I just don't see how Goodell and his cronies cannot see the issues in why their organization is losing viewership. Delusion of the SJW in full swing.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 21, 2016 9:01 AM  

There are too many injuries, years ago you could watch big time college ball and go with few injury timeouts but now it is bad in itself not quite at NFL levels but bad enough.

Blogger HungarianPatriot November 21, 2016 9:03 AM  

I box and I wouldn't do it without the gloves. Bare knuckle boxers' hands get so fucked they can't sign their name by middle age lol.

Blogger Johnny November 21, 2016 9:03 AM  

First a bunch of nitpicky stuff about. They have fine tuned the rules into such complexity that they are hard to figure out let alone implement. No wonder the officials have problems. Additionally the league does things that show they don't give a crap about the integrity of the game.

More to the point, to get off big time on a competitive sport requires taking sides. You have to want "your" side to win. That is why this Kaepernick stuff is so deadly. He complicates things in a way that makes it hard to simply be for your side.

For myself, I quit watching this fall and in a kind of curious way I feel not so much self deprived as released from a distraction.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 9:04 AM  

"Replace "football players" with "coal miners" or "rodeo clowns," and the same thing is true. Men's work is dangerous, some types more than others, so you make a reasonable attempt to reduce the risk, and then you either get on with it or find a different job. "

People forget... the sport was designed to be brutal. It was designed to be dangerous.

It was so brutal, and so many players literally died on the field that Teddy Roosevelt made "cleaning up football" part of his campaign platform.

And its not like Teddy was a pussy.

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 21, 2016 9:05 AM  

"Communist"

Heh heh.

The heart of the matter is, you get cooler scars from playing ice hockey than you do from football, and chicks dig good scars. (If you play hockey properly, you don't even have to lose your teeth!) And let's face it: what makes you look more like James Bond -- skating backwards at a decent speed while wearing a suit, or smashing into some guy named Deshawn?

Blogger Boko Harambe November 21, 2016 9:06 AM  

We're not on full boycott here but over the years our interest in the NFL has been waning. Better things to do with our Sundays, I guess. It's not the magnet it was when I was a child, listening to Dad and Grandpa explain the game to me. we used to watch old reels of classic games. NFL and NHL, too. No helmets, or minimal protective equipment, and a rough yet oddly civil game between competing teams.

Sports are a proxy for our social battles. It's not just forgetting our problems for a shorter time, though that ameliorates anxiety to a degree. Sports are pressure release valves, and part of the natural undulations a mostly homogeneous society experiences as ideas flow.

And so Sports are a means to play out the destructive aspects of psyche. Except now, we can't just purge negativity. We have to embrace and absorb it, integrate it...and that is the cancer. Accept and absorb Kapernick and excessive officiating and Pinktober and Hispanic inclusion month, and you've taken on more than your psyche can defend.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 9:06 AM  

" what makes you look more like James Bond -- skating backwards at a decent speed while wearing a suit,"

flamboyant gay communist.

Blogger CarpeOro November 21, 2016 9:11 AM  

I told my wife when I first heard of the Kapernick drama, I don't care who is playing or what day, if I see someone pulling that the game gets turned off. Since I'll be at my mother-in-law's for Thanksgiving, if it happens there I'll go to another room. I'd rather watch Hallmark Christmas movies than a game after that.

Being 5'6" (more or less) I preferred playing hockey also. Hockey being the lowest rung of televised pro-sports and not (for the most part) the high levels of glitz and glamor, the players have a greater tendency to be down-to-earth and not so full of themselves. Prima donnas don't last long there.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 21, 2016 9:11 AM  

The original boxing gloves were designed to cause more damage, not less. The modern glove was to encourage more punches to the head without breaking the hand. The original hardened helmet was designed to deter blows from the top of the head because it hurt to hit someone on armor, not because it padded the struck man's skull.

I like the armor because of the weaponization and crunching noise of collisions, but if the NFL wanted to reduce injury, they'd redesign the crash suit.

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 21, 2016 9:15 AM  

"flamboyant gay communist"

+1 !

Wins the internet!

Anonymous Broken Arrow November 21, 2016 9:16 AM  

CBS did a in depth poll of football fans and the Kapernick thing was at the top of the list of why they've turned off the television. People don't want to turn of football and see politics. Even if they agree with Kapernick they don't want to see politics in football.

Blogger veinarmor November 21, 2016 9:18 AM  

Football is a thinly veiled metaphor reinforcing the concept of property theft. Subconsciously, you are being told it is okay to send your offspring to kill sub-80 IQ, feral shitskins 1000's of miles away—and you need a gang of bootlips to help do it. Honestly, if you want to watch chimps play grabass, I'd suggest a visit to the zoo or pursuit of a career in the prison industry.

Blogger Elesu November 21, 2016 9:22 AM  

The NFL has been fooled for years about levels of fan support by fantasy football. Once the interest in fantasy goes down they will see a 25% drop in viewership. There is something special about the combination of strategy and brutality that is football but the NFL leadership doesn't understand that and thinks all the fans want to see is wide receivers dancing in the end zone.

Blogger Dexter November 21, 2016 9:23 AM  

Football... is that the game with the tattooed black criminals who hate America and wear pink to fight breast cancer?

Blogger glad2meetyou November 21, 2016 9:25 AM  

Speaking of tedious, there's the commercials. Cialis/Levitra/Viagra, wedding jewelry, and grrlpower (narratives are plug-and-play; the products are interchangeable). Some of the ones for cars and insurance are good.

Blogger tz November 21, 2016 9:28 AM  

We need to rename the NFL the globalist Foodball league with all the Elites and their crony subsidized stadiums covered by the cucked ESPN.
Then the American Nationalist football league...
And here, who are the globalists v.s. nationalists, Soccer Moms or Hockey Moms?

Blogger Cecil Henry November 21, 2016 9:29 AM  

Putting a 10 year old girl and a stripper in such an article just shows how truly laughable these virtue signalling cucks are.

So laugh at them. Again and again.

Anonymous jcw November 21, 2016 9:30 AM  

"flamboyant gay communist." Man, I just had a Bane flashback, there...

Anonymous TLM November 21, 2016 9:32 AM  

I will never give up on my beloved NFL. Black quarterbacks are the greatest thing that's ever happened to the game. It inspires me when militant black players give a big FU to white Americans with their acts of protests. It's just like Rosa Parks!!! You can have my favorite black player's jersey when you pry it off my cold dead back. Big Fan is the best movie ever! They based Patton Oswalt's character off of me! Tom Brady is nothing compared to RG3. Who is hotter, RG3's ex-wife or his current girlfriend! I love pro-football & mud-sharking!!! Richard Sherman went to Stanford, he's no thug, raciss!!! Them old white players from the 70s & 80's couldn't even play in today's black league!! Joe Namath isn't worthy to tie the shoes of Akili Smith. I love the NFL!!!!!

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 21, 2016 9:32 AM  

" what makes you look more like James Bond -- skating backwards at a decent speed while wearing a suit,"

Brian Boitano?

Anonymous Faceless November 21, 2016 9:34 AM  

They do need to end the lawyerball part of it. Didn't NFL games used to be about two hours start to finish? They are now more than three hours.

Contrast the NFL's love of the shiny lingerie on every other play with NASCAR's resurgent attempt to get rid of cautions. They were trying very hard not to call a caution last night in the final laps when one of the cars deep in the pack went into the inside wall. They eventually had to call it because he couldn't get it refired and the safety crew had arrived, but five years ago, NASCAR would have instantly called that. They have listened to the fans - there is such a thing as being to feminized and too risk averse, and American sports passed risk aversion a while back. Baseball is fun to watch now because all the other competitors are too full of penalties, but instant replay could kill that.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 21, 2016 9:35 AM  

I think Nate may be right. Take the pads away, and the players won't be able to clobber each other quite so hard without breaking themselves in the process. And the current obsession with high scores is a farce...and, I suspect, dangerous. The old school grind-it-out running game didn't give players the room to build up momentum for a really hard hit.

Or we could just covert the fields into shooting ranges. Golf courses, too...a golf course is a wicked waste of land that could be used for a rifle range.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 9:37 AM  

Any increase in injuries is a function of physics. Players are faster and bigger than in the past. F=MA.

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 21, 2016 9:38 AM  

Politicization in general is the number 1 reason. Whether people realize it or not the left has to insert politics in everything and they have been doing it in the NFL for over a decade now.

A close number 2 is the officiating. There are way too many rules and way too much nuance. The "catch" rules alone are ridiculous and when combined with constant stops in the action to watch the replay and make an arbitrary judgement on if the result of the play was a catch is part of what is ruining the fun.


Speaking as a Cincinnati fan that has an owner that is only interested in fielding a moderately good team I think that is another factor. Owners have taken on the attitude of getting a team "good enough" to keep fans interested. It gets complicated and expensive fielding a championship level team. Why bother if you can make roughly the same amount of money running a team on auto-pilot?

Blogger Raggededge November 21, 2016 9:42 AM  

I find college ball much more enjoyable to watch. I still do fantasy, but if I didn't, I doubt I'd watch as much NFL as I do. The reason for me is the officiating, it is just awful.

Blogger SS November 21, 2016 9:42 AM  

Nate wrote:" what makes you look more like James Bond -- skating backwards at a decent speed while wearing a suit,"

flamboyant gay communist.


like so

Blogger dc.sunsets November 21, 2016 9:42 AM  

its about very different populations of people being forced to live together in a marriage of mutually assured destruction.

Exactly. We had detente between these groups only because of a mania in optimistic social mood, during which the Leftist/Equalist cult ran rings around otherwise somnolent rightists.

The issues that separate us, combined with a political system that insists on One Size Fits All (and any variants will be smashed) insures that geopolitical separation must eventually arrive.

The issue of injuries in sports (in general) is the same one I have for injuries that are inevitable if one trains realistically for combat.

Anyone who trains in full-contact all but insures that they will bunch their combat effectiveness into their early adulthood. They might be Sooper-Sealteam-Effective from 18-35, and Cassius Clay, Jr. incapable by 50. That, and they may be practically immobilized from a major knee injury sustained in training at the very moment a threat shows up.

Blogger GracieLou November 21, 2016 9:43 AM  

I'm a girl, so what do I know, but I live in a city with an NFL team, an NBA team and minor league baseball. The last few years we've spent a lot of time at the ballpark. It's fun, it's relaxed, it's well attended, possibly suggesting people appreciate a vintage family game over the thud of hip-hop degenerate jungle ball.

Again, what do I know, but watching the World Series I'm thinking bad thoughts like, "Diversity! Actual white men, without scraggly hair down to their asses being manly!" And I thought, if baseball played it smart it could be "the pastime" again.

Then I read a headline at Breitbart, "officials decry lack of diversity in baseball." Dumbasses.

Blogger Hunsdon November 21, 2016 9:44 AM  

I'm with Nate: less protective gear, get rid of the helmet.

Blogger SS November 21, 2016 9:47 AM  

GracieLou wrote:I'm a girl, so what do I know, but I live in a city with an NFL team, an NBA team and minor league baseball.

Houston?

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 9:47 AM  

"Any increase in injuries is a function of physics. Players are faster and bigger than in the past. F=MA."

oh that's such bullshit. Our ability to detect concussions has improved.. so we see it more.. so we diagnose it more

It doesn't happen any more than it used to. We just fret over it now because the whole nation is run by women.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 21, 2016 9:48 AM  

Take the pads away, and the players won't be able to clobber each other quite so hard without breaking themselves in the process.

Are you sure? Many people are willing to utterly destroy themselves in an attempt to gain one form or another of notoriety, much less fame and fortune. The tattoo/pierce/steroid/etc. freak show is ample evidence that self-destruction is among these times' major vices.

Take away the pads and all that might occur is that the number of people physically destroyed by the sport might rise, and the age at attrition might fall.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 21, 2016 9:49 AM  

Once the interest in fantasy goes down they will see a 25% drop in viewership.

Probably so. For a variety of reasons, the NFL now finds itself with a very large fan base containing many people who don't actually like football. They like the big plays, the pomp, the fantasy, the football parties, and all the other stuff that goes with it. But how many of them would sit down alone and watch a football game stem to stern? Especially a 10-7 defensive battle between two teams unlikely to make the playoffs?

The problem with fans who don't actually like the game itself is that they're naturally fickle. They're nothing like the guy who's been following his team since he was 8, suffering through 3-13 seasons because that's what fans do. If casual fans get bored, they'll just switch over to Game of Thrones or whatever's big now.

So the league is now trying to hold their interest with things like color rush uniforms (oooh, pretty!) and rules changes to try to protect the stars and get more big pass plays. It's probably futile, because bubbles pop, and this is a bubble. That doesn't mean pro football or the NFL are doomed, but it'll settle back to a fan base of real football fans, and have to be able to live with that. Hopefully they won't have completely screwed up the game before that happens.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 9:50 AM  

"The last few years we've spent a lot of time at the ballpark."

You don't have to pay 30 bucks to watch a bunch of guys stand around do nothing.

Jesus just go get a job in construction. You can get paid to watch men stand around and do nothing.

Blogger Tim November 21, 2016 9:51 AM  

My favorite part about no longer watching the NFL is that I don't ever hear Bob Costas tell me what to think about some stupid issue.


And what's with banning TD celebrating? isn't the game for entertainment; why ban entertainment?

Blogger pyrrhus November 21, 2016 9:51 AM  

Keep the pads, get rid of the face guard and the space age helmet. Players will stop tackling with their heads. The real problem with the NFL, IMO, is that it has been turned into a passing league with a lot of rule changes.....Football is about running the ball.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 9:51 AM  

"So the league is now trying to hold their interest with things like color rush uniforms "

yes... and to tell you how amazingly out of touch the NFL is... this idea is so poorly executed it actually makes the fans hate it even more... because the unis all look like total shit.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 9:52 AM  

" Players will stop tackling with their heads. "

yep. I'd settle for a helmet redesign. But its also the running backs that spear with their helmets... its not just defenders using it as a weapon.

Blogger Elocutioner November 21, 2016 9:56 AM  

Don't forget the non-stop commercial breaks, penalties, and instant reviews destroying momentum and dragging 7 minutes of actual action out to 3 hours.

I rarely watch 'live' TV any more, and there's zero chance the NFL could entice me back with its current format, rules, or thug rosters. They've got live events to get butts in seats competing with the Internet. What are they doing to try to appeal to kids? Where are their future viewers? Do they think catering primarily to women and blacks is a long term recipe for success?

If the NFL expels the Pinktober SJW morons and reverts the rules and format back to the golden age and starts enforcing minimum behavior standards then I could see a resurgence happening. But the stains of Vick, BLM, Hand Up, and Kaepernick are going to last for quite a while.

Anonymous omar's running shoes November 21, 2016 9:57 AM  

You cannot write a comprehensive piece on Football when you fail to interview my Malamute, Brazilian street kids and the Dali Lama.

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 21, 2016 9:58 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Take the pads away, and the players won't be able to clobber each other quite so hard without breaking themselves in the process.

Are you sure? Many people are willing to utterly destroy themselves in an attempt to gain one form or another of notoriety, much less fame and fortune. The tattoo/pierce/steroid/etc. freak show is ample evidence that self-destruction is among these times' major vices.

Take away the pads and all that might occur is that the number of people physically destroyed by the sport might rise, and the age at attrition might fall.


As Nate pointed out earlier. The switch from bareknuckles boxing to the modern boxing glove actually caused more head injuries. Sure, veteran bareknucklers have screwed up hands still but I would rather have screwed up hands than severe brain damage.

You are probably correct in the short term. People who grew up with pads are still going to do stupid things and try to crush their opponents despite the harm they are causing themselves. In the long run those types will be weeded up much earlier. Play like that in highschool with no pads and you aren't going to be well enough to play in college.

In terms of a trade off this is preferable. Many of the self destructive types will wash themselves out before they develop into bigger, faster adults.

Blogger GracieLou November 21, 2016 10:02 AM  

Indy.

Blogger William Hughes November 21, 2016 10:12 AM  

I enjoyed playing football when I was young. I enjoyed watching my son play football. I still enjoy playing catch with him and some friends in the park or the back yard. Life is good that way.

CFL of course. A bit different game. Hockey had to stop before the football - just couldn't keep conditioned and work a regular job. Plus the pain from the skates at the start of the season.

There is a generational and deep attachment to these traditions that will survive stupid virtue signalling. Plus keeping women out of the decision process when it comes to men's sports. Who really gives a shit what they think about how I play a damn game?

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 21, 2016 10:13 AM  

Peter King looks like Mrs. Doubtfire.

Anonymous Roundtine November 21, 2016 10:17 AM  

The media could increase their NFL ratings by ignoring the kneeling players. I wouldn't even know it was a protest if I saw it without explanation. The NFL could allow their players to do whatever they want, or the team could lay down rules, but the TV networks don't have to cover it. The NFL is stupid because it allows this. If I was the NFL, I would let every network know that if they cover the protests, they may as well not bid when the TV rights come up again. I'd also start blocking converged media outlets such as ESPN, bar all ABC reporters from covering the games.

Blogger tweell November 21, 2016 10:23 AM  

I'm not a fan, but Col. Kratman's statement that American football gives us an edge in military training is correct. We get the basics of squad level tactics as part of our culture. Can we keep that with school football and no professional leagues? I'm thinking we might be better off, myself.

Blogger Boko Harambe November 21, 2016 10:23 AM  

I live in a city with an NFL team, an NBA team and minor league baseball. The last few years we've spent a lot of time at the ballpark. It's fun, it's relaxed, it's well attended, possibly suggesting people appreciate a vintage family game over the thud of hip-hop degenerate jungle ball.

Do stop. Girl. What do you know...if you're a mother or plan to be one, you know that an activity that encourages masculinity in your sons and an appreciation of such in your daughters, is a good one.

There is a line wherein women can appreciate sport without becoming its primary consumers. Sport need not cater to every feminine whim without compromising its basic function. What we are seeing now is the endless catering to a segment of the female population, to those without children, or those with children but not husbands, or at least no men in the picture. Women are necessarily cautious and overprotect any domain they can affect.

Anonymous fop November 21, 2016 10:28 AM  

"So, Sugar, what do you think of the NFL?"

"Uhm, it's cool I think, I guess. (Giggle). Yeah."

"Great! Can I get a receipt for that lap dance so I can write it off as a business expense?"

Blogger Mick Warshaw November 21, 2016 10:33 AM  

I was yet to escape all of my libertarian fantasies back in 2013, but I was pretty clear eyed about what was happening to football.

http://www.footballnation.com/content/natural-spirit-combat-football-violence-healthy-vital-to-american-character/24102/

Blogger VD November 21, 2016 10:35 AM  

You cannot write a comprehensive piece on Football when you fail to interview my Malamute, Brazilian street kids and the Dali Lama.

It does read like the writers are auditioning for NPR.

Blogger Some Guy November 21, 2016 10:35 AM  

I don't hate the NFL. I just don't understand it. Give me college football any day of the week.

As for the two nations of whites, you are correct. The beltway elites need to get honest jobs picking peaches or something. The constant lying has grown even more pronounced since the God Emperor attuned the masses to his consciousness.

Blogger Some Guy November 21, 2016 10:37 AM  

"You cannot write a comprehensive piece on Football when you fail to interview my Malamute, Brazilian street kids and the Dali Lama"

The Dali Lama stopped watching when Tim Tebow got cut.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 21, 2016 10:42 AM  

"And yes, NFL-hating spergs."

OK, I'll bite. Reasoned distaste is not "hate". I note the typical source of that charge.


At some point, you realize that football has become the circenses in the modern version of panem et circenses. Since Juvenal we've gone from bread and circuses to food stamps and municipally financed stadia. This is progress, I tell you.

Kaepernick is just the tip of the spear, the presenting symptom of a metastasized cancer.

At a certain point, you realize an adult man painting his chest and bearing it places like Cleveland in December to affine with upper-decile mesomorphic mercenaries is beyond silly; that the NFL and football in general is racist against whites (the curious laughter over Jason Sehorn and the more recent overt taunts against Peyton Hillis that were completely disregarded by the pansies in the front office; I will follow the draft this spring to see how the diminish the skills of Christian McCafferty-especially since you can't possibly call a 205 pound guy that rips off 90 yard runs a "POWERBACK"); that there is no good reason to contribute to an enterprise spends its time worrying about the number on a player's back, that elevates an inordinate number of moral and mental cretins to demigod status; and whose owners can exact tens and hundreds of millions from taxpayers with the mere suggestion that they might leave town if a new stadium is not erected so they can sell more luxury box tickets to rich IS part of the swamp that needs to be drained.

But the worst part of this, as noted by @63 is the overt nurturing of a female audience. I note that this might be the worst aspect of this, because after females invaded the locker room, they invaded what was among the lack vestiges of the male only spaces. Every year, my employer allows employees to wear jerseys on the friday before "the big game" and women look stupid wearing them, with breasts protruding and shoulders absent.

I'm well past the age of playing the game, and I'm sure my 40 yard dash is more like 6.5 than 4.5, but I'm still 200 plus pounds and 300 plus on the bench. Ladies; line up. I'll get one slightly built male as a snapper and a blocker, and I'll take the pitch. After I scatter you like bowling pins and leave a few of you gasping for air, then you can act like one of the guys on Sunday.

Blogger rumpole5 November 21, 2016 10:42 AM  

These guys are performers, much like high wire acrobats. They know the dangers and the rewards. It is wonderfully exciting to watch these superb, extraordinary human specimens do what many of them love. I don't understand the home team identification when most of the players are of a different culture and race from somewhere else. The current NFL trend is just an example of the SJW, Bismarkian, nanny state fear that somewhere, some place, someone is having too much fun!

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 21, 2016 10:46 AM  

When Brian Boitano travelled in time
To the year three thousand ten,
He fought the evil Robot King
And saved the human race again.

And when Brian Boitano built the pyramids,
He beat up Kubla Khan.
Cuz Brian Boitano doesn't take sh!t
From a--neee--bo-deeee....

Just sayin'.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 10:49 AM  

"It does read like the writers are auditioning for NPR."

SI is terrible. everything they do is terrible.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 10:52 AM  

" Ladies; line up. I'll get one slightly built male as a snapper and a blocker, and I'll take the pitch. After I scatter you like bowling pins and leave a few of you gasping for air, then you can act like one of the guys on Sunday. "

UH OH! Errybody look out! We gotta badass here!

Blogger Andy in San Diego and Elsewhere November 21, 2016 10:53 AM  

I find all of this commentary about politics in the NFL laughable. Politics has ALWAYS been a part of the NFL, what with the fly-overs of the Air Force and other jingoistic demonstrations. If that isn't politics what is?
That being said, Kaepernick's tantrums are NOT helping as middle-America is the primary fanbase for the NFL and they have little tolerance for such crap.
But as for me, I gave up on the NFL a few years ago, it's just too damn slow, with commercial breaks, so many penalties, etc. Kickoff for a touchback (2 minute commercial break). Run up the middle for a yard, clock keeps running. Pass to the sidelines, incomplete, holding call on the offense, back it up 10. Another run play for 7. Pass play that's short of the gain-line. Punt. 2 more minutes of commercials. Zzzz.....

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 21, 2016 10:56 AM  

SI is the Time Magazine of women's environmental issues. The joke pre-season magazines do better analysis.

Blogger S1AL November 21, 2016 10:59 AM  

"I find all of this commentary about politics in the NFL laughable. Politics has ALWAYS been a part of the NFL, what with the fly-overs of the Air Force and other jingoistic demonstrations. If that isn't politics what is?"

Jingoism =/= politics.

Blogger Nick S November 21, 2016 11:08 AM  

Boycott the enemy except when it's something you really really enjoy. Then, it's okay to compromise the courage of your convictions. Because endorphins.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 11:10 AM  

UH OH! Errybody look out! We gotta badass here!

Whats his marksmanship from an outhouse toilet?

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 21, 2016 11:14 AM  

S1AL wrote:"I find all of this commentary about politics in the NFL laughable. Politics has ALWAYS been a part of the NFL, what with the fly-overs of the Air Force and other jingoistic demonstrations. If that isn't politics what is?"

Jingoism =/= politics.


I would agree with this statement normally except for the fact that the Left has set itself up as the Anti-Nationalist party over the last 50 years.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 21, 2016 11:15 AM  

But its also the running backs that spear with their helmets

And even the lineman driving their helmets into each other. Linemen aren't moving as fast as the skill players, but they drive their helmets into each other dozens of times per game. Take away the helmets or replace them with something less weapon-like, and they'll go back to hitting each other heads-up most of the time.

There's a theory that if football contributes to CTE, it's not so much from concussions but from repeated compression of the spine and neck that restricts the flow of spinal fluid. If that's true, focusing on concussions may not change anything, and a couple decades from now the league will still be taking shots over it.

Blogger pyrrhus November 21, 2016 11:18 AM  

@88 As George Halas said many years ago, if players have only leather helmets and no face guard, they are not going to spear anyone or tackle with their heads. Nobody wants a broken nose...

Blogger pyrrhus November 21, 2016 11:21 AM  

The other major problem with football at all levels--steroids.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 11:25 AM  

"If that isn't politics what is?""

please.

the modern globalist left hates the military and military demonstrations. the NFL is flooding the field with troops now and doing crazy fly overs to try to counter-act the protest effect.

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 11:26 AM  

"The other major problem with football at all levels--steroids."

I agree. The steroids ban is terrible. Making performance enhancing drugs illegal greatly reduces the quality and speed of the game and therefore makes it less enjoyable.

Steroids in fact should be required and administered by the league.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 11:26 AM  

Boycott the enemy except when it's something you really really enjoy. Then, it's okay to compromise the courage of your convictions. Because endorphins.

Do you live off the grid in a cave?

Anonymous patrick kelly November 21, 2016 11:30 AM  

Crap, just when Da' Raiderz don't suck everthing gets pinker in the NFL.

Next Cuba will stop growing tobacco and start growing pot for all the new legal markets.

Sometimes the universe suks.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 21, 2016 11:32 AM  

Nate wrote:"The other major problem with football at all levels--steroids."

I agree. The steroids ban is terrible. Making performance enhancing drugs illegal greatly reduces the quality and speed of the game and therefore makes it less enjoyable.

Steroids in fact should be required and administered by the league.


If they'd just make it legal to prescribe to old guys like me just so we don't feel like crap. I had a script for some a while back for a strange alien skin rash and I felt 30 years younger for 2 weeks. Tempted me with a life of crime.

Blogger Feather Blade November 21, 2016 11:32 AM  

at the $60-million high school stadium.

That must be one rich school district, to be able to raise that much out of bake sale funds.

Anonymous Goodnight November 21, 2016 11:33 AM  

In November 2016, the Trumpening really happened, the Top Gear fellows are back with a new show, and the Cowboys have the best record in the NFL! If I get any happier I'll hurt myself.

Anonymous BGKB November 21, 2016 11:34 AM  

On what planet is the opinion of strippers and 10-year-old girls playing linebacker even remotely relevant to the NFL?

The teams pay "handlers" lots of money to keep you from finding out. Its estimated that around 90% of Nigball crimes and scandals get covered up.

Part of the problem has to be players participating for too long, if concussions actually become a problem.

They have always known boxers got "punch drunk" after too many lifetime blows to the head. The equipment they have now and how much they are paid should negate any concerns. Compare Colon Kirkpatrick's yearly wages to an underwater welder.

Personally I think they should legalize holding Do you really want to see Mike Sam do that?

Any increase in injuries is a function of physics. Players are faster and bigger than in the past

Players have white guys figuring out how to manage their roids and PEDs for them.

oh that's such bullshit. Our ability to detect concussions has improved..

I know there were still hospitals using single slice CTs a few years ago.

"The last few years we've spent a lot of time at the ballpark." How many parks/stadiums are in bad parts of town?

comprehensive piece on Football when you fail to interview my Malamute, Brazilian street kids and the Dali Lama

Gays against guns are planning a big protest outside TRUMP Tower against Steve Bannon. Maybe Milo can show up with a gun to go against the Pink Bow Tie Pedostas.

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts November 21, 2016 11:37 AM  

If I wanted to watch retarded negro violence I could just drive through any large city.

Anonymous Joe Blowe November 21, 2016 11:38 AM  

http://www.castefootball.us/index.php

Sportsball is a psyop perpetrated by its (((owners))) to promote the Negro and denigrate the White man.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 21, 2016 11:43 AM  

"Sportsball" is lame, gamma, gay speak. Close the basement door and keep all that Cheetos aroma to yourself.

Blogger Student in Blue November 21, 2016 11:45 AM  

I was going to share my opinion but then I realized no one cared and it wasn't anything that hadn't been said a thousand times before.

Anonymous Beau November 21, 2016 11:49 AM  

What Student in Blue said.

Blogger Unknown November 21, 2016 11:50 AM  

Hey Vox, a little off topic here but I'm interested to know which team do you support in Serie A?

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 21, 2016 11:52 AM  

And yes, NFL-hating spergs, you can do your tedious thing here, as for once, it is not off-topic. It won't make any difference to anyone, you understand, but you can tell us all about your opinion that means nothing to any of us if you feel the need to do so.

Nope sorry, can't do it today.

Still crying over MSU/Ohio. The Spartans could have walked away from this season with a shred of dignity if only... if only... if only...

Anonymous patrick kelly November 21, 2016 11:52 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:I was going to share my opinion but then I realized no one cared and it wasn't anything that hadn't been said a thousand times before.

yeah, that usually stops me from posting much, but I'm off my meds cuz' there isn't anything legal that actually does shit for me anymore.

Anonymous The OASF November 21, 2016 11:53 AM  

"October to ask hundreds of Americans—from strippers to Jerry Jones to 10-year-old girl players to gamblers to inner-city coaches to Roger Goodell to tailgating fans—how they feel about the state of football."

The least credible opinion, by far, harvested by this magnificently compiled and astoundingly scientific sampling frame is that of Jerry Jones.

Here is a guy that insisted the NFL had nothing to hide with respect to the concussion issue - right after the NFL paid out 1 billion in claims to plaintiffs. That's right, 1,000 million dollars in claims.

Nothing to see there folks. Now move along and buy your incredibly expensive official NFL gear, made in China, of course.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 21, 2016 11:54 AM  

Except for whiskey, but despite it being perfectly legal they seriously frown on me drinking it at work.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 21, 2016 11:57 AM  

Take the pads away, and the players won't be able to clobber each other quite so hard without breaking themselves in the process.

Michael Bennet wears undersized shoulder pads to encourage better tackling technique. If he tries to just drive someone to the ground with a big hit, it's going to hurt. So it's a reminder to wrap up and tackle, not just hit.

Get rid of the helmets, decrease the padding, and there will be fewer injuries (might take a couple of years for guys to break habits though).

As far as reducing CTE, I think they're doing the right thing forcing players to wait until they're healed, but that's only for the concussions that are bad enough to be detected. Like someone said after Kuechly went down in a Thursday night game, if you care about concussions, don't make guys play on short rest like that. Get rid of the stupid Thursday night games.

Blogger Can't wait November 21, 2016 11:59 AM  

OP, "And yes, NFL-hating spergs, you can do your tedious thing here, as for once, it is not off-topic. It won't make any difference to anyone, you understand, but you can tell us all about your opinion that means nothing to any of us if you feel the need to do so."

I hate all professional sports! Ahhh...I feel better now, thanks for the outlet.

Blogger Boko Harambe November 21, 2016 11:59 AM  

OT from NFL but relevant to pop culture: at AMAs Green Day chants "No Trump, No KKK, no fascist USA".

Yeah. I gave up on Green Day before I even graduated high school in 94. I gave up on most/all punk by that point. I feel bad that a lot of people couldn't give up on it. Even pop princesses had (have, still?) a punk ideology of being different, anti-establishment, etc, while not realizing that they play a crucial role in maintaining a kind of controlled opposition role in their microcosms.

By 94 punk was long dead, anyway. Short lived but fun for me in any case. A foray into forbidden territory and radical politics that was educational but ultimately led me to trust my instincts and prejudices.

So. No Trump, no KKK, no fascist USA is just talk. Green Day has no fangs; their fans are ineffectual and misinformed aging agitators who don't really know what they are agitating against.

So much of 90s activism was shooting at broad but imprecise targets, the much decried collateral damage be damned in your ideological war.

Tribal considerations Trump (heh) ideals.

Anonymous The OASF November 21, 2016 12:02 PM  

"As far as reducing CTE, I think they're doing the right thing forcing players to wait until they're healed, but that's only for the concussions that are bad enough to be detected. Like someone said after Kuechly went down in a Thursday night game, if you care about concussions, don't make guys play on short rest like that. Get rid of the stupid Thursday night games."

In the concussion movie, there was a scene with cut after cut from the ESPN "Jacked Up" segments.

Was it comical. No.

In OASF's world. Yes. Yes, it was.

Anonymous Beau November 21, 2016 12:02 PM  

Took my wife and sons to an Appleseed civilian marksmanship shoot. It poured buckets from 8AM to 2PM. Told my wife it felt like being at home in the infantry, plenty of cold, mud, and misery for all. I really enjoyed the shoot, just like old times.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 21, 2016 12:03 PM  

Every year, my employer allows employees to wear jerseys on the friday before "the big game" and women look stupid wearing them, with breasts protruding and shoulders absent.

The horror of women with their breasts protruding! Thanks for doing your part to confirm our suspicions about football haters.

Anonymous JAG November 21, 2016 12:04 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Any increase in injuries is a function of physics. Players are faster and bigger than in the past. F=MA.

Been hearing this my whole life, and if it were even remotely true then players would be 10 feet tall, weigh 500 pounds, and run sub 4 second 40s. in other words, it's bullshit.

I have yet to see anybody as fast in pads as Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson since they were both players in their primes. Nobody today is bigger than guys like Kevin Gogan.

Steroids have been around forever, as has lifting weights. It's not like these were discovered in the last 10 years.


Blogger pyrrhus November 21, 2016 12:04 PM  

@92 I'm talking about steroids at all levels, including high school. But yes, the US should legalize steroids, then all football players could take them, and we would know what we are dealing with in the game, no more lies. I wouldn't let my kids play against 'roided up players in high school.

Anonymous Joe Blowe November 21, 2016 12:10 PM  

patrick kelly wrote:"Sportsball" is lame, gamma, gay speak. Close the basement door and keep all that Cheetos aroma to yourself.

I suppose all those blubbery, drunken Whites that waste their time, money, and dignity worshiping overpaid, ball chasing Negros are stunning examples of Alpha maleness?

White men would be better occupying themselves with biking, hiking, studying martial arts, practicing marksmanship, like I do or even participating in organized sports.

Sitting on your well worn backside to worship negro sportsball stars, or worse, letting your wife and kids to do the same, is the height of cuckoldry.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 12:12 PM  


White men would be better occupying themselves with biking, hiking, studying martial arts, practicing marksmanship, like I do or even participating in organized sports.


You are the most badassiest badass who has ever badassed.

Blogger GracieLou November 21, 2016 12:15 PM  

You misunderstand. I concur. My point was the attempted diminution of white masculinity.

Blogger Noah B aka Carlos Danger Close November 21, 2016 12:16 PM  

@113 Perfect. If you don't like the degeneracy being promoted by the NFL & NBA, shooting sports are a great alternative.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 12:19 PM  

I have yet to see anybody as fast in pads as Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson since they were both players in their primes. Nobody today is bigger than guys like Kevin Gogan.

I'm talking about the aggregate. As for Kevin Gogan, King Dunlap is just one example of a player that's bigger.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 21, 2016 12:22 PM  

I was honestly surprised when I watched the old 1970s show The White Shadow, and there was an episode about a player taking steroids and becoming violent. That was high school basketball. Then there's the book Ball Four, which talks about the speed and other stuff baseball players were using in the 1960s.

So I just assume they're all using whatever they think they can get away with that might give them an edge, and it might as well be legalized and done as healthily as possible.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 12:23 PM  

Hey Vox, a little off topic here but I'm interested to know which team do you support in Serie A?

At one point Vox was a supporter of Milan

Anonymous Ron November 21, 2016 12:33 PM  

@117

I wholeheartedly agree. Nigger-ball is not watched in my home.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 12:35 PM  

Sitting on your well worn backside to worship negro sportsball stars, or worse, letting your wife and kids to do the same, is the height of cuckoldry.

1--Get thee to a dictionary

2--I would wager that the football fans here are more likely to have both wives and children than the sportsball hating spergs.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 12:35 PM  

I wholeheartedly agree. Nigger-ball is not watched in my home.

So brave, thanks for this.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 21, 2016 12:43 PM  

Nate wrote:i would argue the issue with concussions is the same in football as it is in boxing. They added equipment to make the women feel better about watching it... and that "safety equipment" actually ended up making the game significantly more dangerous than it was.

The helmet made the head a weapon.

You want to stop all the concusions? Make them take the pads off.


^ THIS

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 21, 2016 12:54 PM  

Nick S wrote:Boycott the enemy except when it's something you really really enjoy. Then, it's okay to compromise the courage of your convictions. Because endorphins.

So your plan is to fight for America, and against football? What is America if not football?

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 12:58 PM  

"I wholeheartedly agree. Nigger-ball is not watched in my mom's home."

fixed.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 1:02 PM  

"I wholeheartedly agree. Nigger-ball is not watched in my mom's home."

fixed.


It's a shame his mom won't spring for Sunday Ticket or Red Zone.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 21, 2016 2:08 PM  

@81

"UH OH! Errybody look out! We gotta badass here!"

I think you missed my point, which was that women donning jerseys and speaking about football using possessive pronoun "we" is ridiculous, because they can't experience it. For decades they've been telling males that that the lack of a capacity to give birth they disqualified one to object to abortion, to understand "hostile and offensive working environments", etc., so turnabout is fair play.

Unless you've been hit, hard, preferably hard enough to wonder why somebody didn't get the license plate of the truck that left you with cleat marks and gasping for breath because you mistook it for a smallish running back that you were going to plant five yards back; you don't understand football. Football is unmitigated violence, it is war and a type of war no DoD "diversity" officer will ever be able to insist that females participate in.

THe nurtured female interest in football is in microcosm the same sort of attitude that disavows immutable differences between the sexes and gives us noxious nonsense where a a 5-6 130 pound female dispatches a half a dozen 200 pound special forces troops with her superior martial arts or the idiotic fantasy "Pitch".

I don't patronize converged organizations. I avoid Target and Starbucks like the plague; I'm not making exceptions for football.

Anonymous Ron November 21, 2016 2:14 PM  

Watching young niggers running up and down a patch of grass makes a person tough and manly.

Yay... Niggerball

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 21, 2016 2:21 PM  

@127.

"and that "safety equipment" actually ended up making the game significantly more dangerous than it was."

Welcome to the Peltzman effect. Of course when you examine the nature of football; collision is an inherent part of the game and whether or not you use your head as the leading point of those collisions, the brain is subject to the rapid deceleration of the collision. Delta V is the enemy, and nothing will change that. Of course it does seem that "head first" players like ex-Eagles Kevin Turner and Andre Waters make it seem that habit worsens and accelerates the effects of constant bell-ringing.


Blogger RobertDWood November 21, 2016 2:23 PM  

Hah!

Blogger Alexandros November 21, 2016 2:27 PM  

I worry college football will eventually go in the same direction as the NFL.

Anonymous Avalanche November 21, 2016 2:42 PM  

@57 "The problem with fans who don't actually like the game itself is that they're naturally fickle."

My husband used to say, when asked, "I'm rooting for the offense." (He watched lots of football, didn't care about any team.)

Blogger Cloudbuster November 21, 2016 2:45 PM  

10-year-old girl players

Ten-year-old girls play football?

Blogger Nate November 21, 2016 2:55 PM  

"I worry college football will eventually go in the same direction as the NFL. "

on the mid tier it will. But the upper echelon won't. Tradition and Pageantry is to much of the NCAA football experience.

Blogger Nick S November 21, 2016 3:08 PM  

I don't patronize converged organizations. I avoid Target and Starbucks like the plague; I'm not making exceptions for football.

Should PepsiCo be added to you list? You decide.

Blogger Silent Cal November 21, 2016 3:17 PM  

I started boycotting Big Sports this summer. The Olympics are one great big SWJ commercial and I did not miss them at all. As college football and the NFL became increasing dominated by black players my interest in football started to decline. The Colin Kaepernick thing was the straw that broke the camel's back. I have not watched any football games this year and have found my weekends to be much less stressful as a result.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 21, 2016 3:32 PM  

On grounds of logic and science I have to agree with both less pads and bigger guys + more force crowds. I would say the old boiled leather football helmets or the light weight old style plastic ones might be a good compromise.

On political grounds I also have to the best thing is for the sport to say "STFU" to all the politics but baring forceful de-convergence say simply firing anyone who pulls a Kopernick or commits a felony , it pretty unlikely to happen and as such the sport will suffer.

IMO the real long term damage to the sport is going to come from "single mommy land" and helicopter parents as baring exceptional coaching and outreach those guys are going to increasingly be lost to the sport.

Not all of them of course but single moms often don't want the kids on the field and probably can't as easily afford the costs. Its hundreds of dollars in fees, equipment and so on depending on districts and such.

Trying to bring in girls isn't going to anything but make things worse either.

Truth is if I were a father , I wouldn't encourage my sons to play the sport . I wouldn't stop them but I don't watch the sport and have never played it so its unlikely to be much of a thing. I don't even watch TV very often and football never. And I was a Colorado kid from a football is king state, go figure

In any case till society is rebooted and healthy masculine fathers and role models are the norm I think the big challenge the sport faces will be bringing the lost kids into the sport





Blogger Paul Leavenworth November 21, 2016 3:37 PM  

One thing I've noticed is the NFL laying the pro military stuff on really thick. It's the tell that they understand how damaging the Colin Kaepernick thing has been. Joe six pack isn't going to tune in to watch you crap on the flag. It's not complicated.

Anonymous RA November 21, 2016 3:38 PM  

Stopped watching the NFL years ago. Got tired of the games the billionaire owners played with their local governments to get new stadium financing. Including purposely leaving the Los Angeles market without a team so any team in trouble could sledgehammer their locals with the threat of taking the team there. Got totally turned off by pink. Even those women in my extended family who had cancer scares don't dispute my view of this. Especially when I say hey how about a month of yellow or black (or whatever) for men who suffer from prostate cancer. And don't get me started on Kaepernick and his ilk. F**k that, you're paid a truckload of money to play a kid's game, don't spit on the honor of being considered that good. Plus the replays.

Big money in college football now. Jim Harbaugh and Urban Meyer make $15m between them to coach their respective schools. That said, it is a bit more watchable than the NFL. Both levels could do with shorter commercial breaks as well. One of the reasons I enjoy futbol a bit more than American football. Futbol matches are over within 2 hours of wall clock time.

Another reason I enjoy futbol a lot is because it's still possible for normal size men to be superstars. In what other major sport is it possible for someone Messi's height to make the money he does? Not many, that is for sure.

Anonymous RA November 21, 2016 3:44 PM  

@142. The NFL has been pro-military a very long time. Didn't keep them from taking the military's money. Also remember that the pro-military exposure in the NFL has been part of the overall campaign of society to make sure pro-military stays in front no matter how reviled the current war du jour might be. You can thank the Vietnam veterans lack of welcome on their return in the 60's and 70's, that shocked the elites into motion, they want to make sure they get a new generation of gullibles lined up.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man November 21, 2016 3:45 PM  

Man, the virtue signalling around here is just out of control...I need a safe space to insulate me from all this butthurt.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 21, 2016 4:02 PM  

@139

"Should PepsiCo be added to you list? You decide."

It would be added except with a strong family history of diabetes; I stopped drinking diabetes in a can a long time ago. Otherwise Pepsi and Coke would be on the list.

Also on the list Sam Adams.

Blogger ant becker November 21, 2016 4:28 PM  

Is Vox a supporter of Milan? I would have thought he'd have a soft spot for Inter, Lazio or Verona? :)

Blogger Unknown November 21, 2016 5:11 PM  

ant becker wrote:Is Vox a supporter of Milan? I would have thought he'd have a soft spot for Inter, Lazio or Verona? :)


I could see Vox supporting Lazio, but as a Juventino it warms my heart to know the he is not an Interista di merda ;)

Blogger Lazarus November 21, 2016 5:45 PM  

Without the NFL, I would have never seen a guy get punched in the face by a kicking net, so I am giving it another chance.

Blogger Akulkis November 21, 2016 6:09 PM  

@31 nATE

'" what makes you look more like James Bond -- skating backwards at a decent speed while wearing a suit,"

flamboyant gay communist.'

Come to Detroit and say that.

Blogger Akulkis November 21, 2016 6:10 PM  

@32

"Being 5'6" (more or less) I preferred playing hockey also. Hockey being the lowest rung of televised pro-sports and not (for the most part) the high levels of glitz and glamor, the players have a greater tendency to be down-to-earth and not so full of themselves. Prima donnas don't last long there."

TRVTH!!!

Anonymous VFM 3061 “Chief Who Notice Things Make Chief Go 'Hmm'” November 21, 2016 6:31 PM  

@Dexter,
Well-said.

Also, I feel like the odd man out on this but--can I be the only guy in America GRATEFUL to Kapernick for illustrating with perfect clarity that when a black kid is adopted by Caucasian-Americans and raised in a loving home and he ends up with a multi-million dollar salary it STILL isn't enough? THANK you Colin. Also, you're welcome for the name Colin versus D'.

I never dreamed there'd come a day I hated Bear Bryant with a passion for opening up the Tide to diversity just to win championships, but here I am. Nate, go ahead and insult me if you want--I no longer can gin up concern about who wins this weekend.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 21, 2016 8:09 PM  

@152, No, you're not the only one. Kaepernick is a great object lesson for a lot of things. Plus, the league is fully on board with the BLM viewpoint, but also has all the pro-military stuff going on, so it's great to see them getting squeezed between those two because fans think the two have something to do with each other.

One funny thing about the anti-flag stuff is that it's been catching on more in women's leagues like the WNBA and women's soccer. Of course, no one cares about them, so you don't hear about it.

Blogger budbrewer November 21, 2016 8:18 PM  

Endless commercials, endless commercials, commercials, 'mercials, 'mercials....

Joe Walsh

Blogger Lazarus November 21, 2016 8:41 PM  

Monday night football in Mexico, and the refs already blew an obvious call that would have given the Texans a touchdown, and it is not reviewable.

Joke.

Blogger Retrenched November 21, 2016 9:20 PM  

Yes to the idea that defense is the best part of the game.

The best game Ive seen this year was Bama's 10-0 win over LSU. Great defense on both sides. Every possession, every snap was crucial.

The worst game by far was Oklahoma's 66-59 win over Texas Tech. One of the worst games I have ever seen. Touchdowns and 80 yard plays are actually pretty boring when the defense is nonexistent.

Blogger Akulkis November 21, 2016 10:32 PM  

@81

"UH OH! Errybody look out! We gotta badass here!"

He's NOT one -- and that's fundamental to the point he's making.

Blogger Tex Longhorn November 22, 2016 12:48 AM  

Fuck 'em last ones standing are the real football fans. And the Raiders won tonight so all is right with the world. ]:)

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 22, 2016 7:06 AM  

It used to be that in these uSA standing armies was a seen as a big problem.
To fix the NFL all must pledge allegiance to the flag and an unrecunstructed southerner be executed.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 22, 2016 7:11 AM  

the refs won last night.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man November 22, 2016 7:08 PM  

Still waiting for the virtue-signaling morons to realize the irony of using Blogger -- a product of an organization even more converged than the NFL -- to post comments about not patronizing converged organizations like the NFL, Target, etc....

Not holding my breath -- probably pass out before that happens. Anybody got a spare oxygen tank?

Blogger GoldRush Apple November 23, 2016 1:02 AM  

>they want to make sure they get a new generation of gullibles lined up.

Watching American football or joining the military? If the latter, well, no surprise you and, I guess, many others here would feel that way.

Anonymous Crow November 23, 2016 1:30 AM  

SI always was garbage, but I had no idea they had sunk to this level. Printing "girls are as strong as boys" with a straight face is so laughable that I had to close the article out of embarrassment.

The NFL always did demonstrate national cultural trends fairly well. The white, Christian, Anglo origins of football have been completely forgotten. I like to watch old NFL football games. Generally anything pre-80s is fine. For modern games I have to watch college-level football. It's rapidly taking on characteristics of the NFL, but it still maintains some of the traditionalism and spirit of the original concept of the sport. At least in the SEC.

I don't bemoan the passing of football much. It is a sport that has developed into false idols for the unsaved, a method of cultural control for mass media, and a way for lower/middle-class Americans to spend money they don't have on ultimately pointless pleasure. It doesn't help that it is a sport completely dominated by non-whites, which helps propel its decline into degeneracy.

It's easy to forget that the first professional football games in America were played around the turn of the 19th Century. It's not as if football is some sort of monolith of American culture that must be protected at all costs. It hasn't even been stable as a sport in terms of rules or culture. True American culture: Northern European and Protestant Christian culture is the only thing really worth protecting when it comes down to it.

Blogger Doc Rampage November 26, 2016 7:39 PM  

"The thing that is so ludicrously stupid about the equalitarian position shared by American liberals and conservatives alike is that it assumes because reasonably digestible numbers of European immigrants were semi-successfully assimilated with only one massive civil war followed by 60 years of virtually no immigration, an unlimited number of non-European immigrants can be permitted to enter the country indefinitely."

I don't know anyone I would call a conservative who believes that.

Blogger Doc Rampage November 26, 2016 8:37 PM  

I don't understand why you keep lying about conservatives, Vox. Seriously, I've tried to figure out your strategy, and I'm usually pretty good at figuring out why people do things--or at least figuring out what they think the pros and cons are--but this just has me baffled.

The cons of this strategy are obvious: a lot of people who might be willing to support you are being put off. As a rough estimate, there are two or three orders of magnitudes more people who consider themselves conservative than consider themselves alt-right. Let's say only 10% of those would be willing to support you. Then by casting out the conservatives, you are reducing your potential influence by one or two orders of magnitude. That's a pretty big con.

You are usually surprisingly open about your strategies but I've never seen you seriously address this one--at least not by providing a pro that is as significant as the con. For a long time I guessed it was part of your pro-Trump election strategy. Trump seemed to have a related strategy from the way he continued to antagonize Cruz supporters after the nomination. I was thinking: conservatives (and primarily conservative Christians) are the most generally despised group in American politics, maybe Trump and Vox have decided that the conservative brand is a losing one and they want to disassociate themselves from it. Conservatives will vote for Trump anyway--what are they going to do, let Hilary win? It seemed an effective election strategy. Conservatives used the same strategy effectively with the Birchers and the segregationists.

But now that the election is over, I don't see what the point is of keeping up. After all, the media is trying to tie the Alt-right around the necks of conservatives, not conservatives around the necks of the alt-right. Hey, is that the point? You are being self-sacrificing and helping the conservatives disavow the alt-right by disavowing conservatives? That would be brilliant, but it doesn't fit my mental model of your personality.

Blogger Doc Rampage November 26, 2016 8:52 PM  

Just scrolled to the top and saw that somehow I posted in the wrong place. Have no idea how it happened.

But I stopped watching NFL after the Bronco's third humiliating Superbowl loss in four years in the 80s. My dad, by contrast was a Cubs fan all his life. His loyalty was eventually rewarded by one happy evening after 80 years of pain. My lack of loyalty was punished because by the late 90s when Denver finally won, I didn't care any more, but I skipped 10 years of pain in between.

So, that's all I have to say about sports.

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