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Monday, November 07, 2016

Mailvox: material evil

An email from a reader who explains that he believes in material evil as a result of his youthful encounter with a pedophile:
People need to know about the extraordinary power that some pedophiles have over other people, and the damage they do. I will omit the strange story of my recovery. I've been trying to find more information on that for years. You are more likely to be able to shed light on it than anyone I've asked before.

When I was in high school, the headmaster hired a new school counselor, Kevin John Lynch, not knowing that Lynch was a dangerous and prolific pedophile.

Few people grasp the true nature of these creatures. Lynch had charisma beyond anything I have encountered before or since. Some were suspicious of him, but for others he seemed to radiate an enchantment field that gripped you viscerally. He had the headmaster wrapped around his little finger, fending off complaints about him for years without ever realising that there may be a reason for them. Lynch was a psychological chameleon; he could become whoever he needed to be in order to gain the advantage over his intended victim.

People who have never encountered a creature like Lynch cannot comprehend how dangerous and destructive they are. Lynch severely abused at least a thousand boys from the seventies until his downfall in the nineties. I have met some of these people, now grown men. Imagine that something had sucked the life force from someone, leaving behind a husk in place of the complete human being that they once were. Suicide is a common escape for these men. Many live in poverty and their lives are chaotic.

Lynch could make teenage boys do extraordinary things, not by force, but by telling them what to do. He made two boys, who didn't know each other, perform a sexual act together in his office. Later they 'woke up' to the wrongness of it, found each other and reported the incident. For this the headmaster punished them.

The greatest problem for the victims was that nobody believed these things were possible. One mother, after her son told her what Lynch did years before, deposited him at a homeless shelter and cut off all contact. I met a man who's lawyer had rescued him from a mental institution. The man had seen a psychiatrist, who committed him for being psychotic, believing that the things he spoke of don't happen in the real world.

Lynch was active for over twenty years. Now the full story has emerged in great detail at a public inquiry.

Fortunately Lynch did not get very far with me. Still, being groomed by a pedophile authority figure was a disturbing position for a teenager to be in. I had severe psychological trauma after I left that school. And my brother, who also had 'counseling' with Lynch, and reported that Lynch never touched him, nevertheless ended up like the other victims — destroyed.

My recovery began suddenly, overnight, in my mid-thirties, accompanied by a profound personality shift. This remains unexplained, as I found that psychologists and others have either never heard anything like it or just find it weird. The sudden 'awakening' began a long healing process. The strangest part was that, every winter for three years, one day I would feel the need to retreat to my room, and there I would experience a grueling phenomenon, during which I felt the expulsion of something intangible from my body. Evil is the best word to describe my feeling about what was expelled.

I was so drained of energy after each of these events that I was ill for about two weeks after. In the fourth year it was mild, and this year nothing much happened at all. Now I feel normal for the first time since childhood, and seem to be embarking on a normal life, something I never expected to have.

I am not a Christian. My background is in atheism, science, rational thought and skepticism. After my first experience of this phenomenon, I realized the Christian notion of exorcism was the only similar story I'd heard of. However, I know little about exorcism in Christianity.

When you said that you believe in material evil, my first thought was of Lynch. He went about his acts of depravity with conscious, wilful intent. It was his day job. If anyone is wondering whether pedophiles could work their way up to powerful positions — yes, some have exactly the talents required. Lynch was small-time, but he was a shrunken, ugly wretch. Someone smarter, better looking and with better connections than him could go very far. I don't know if Lynch was born evil or if others turned him into the creature that he was. But from what I've seen of the Podesta emails and the 'pizza' shop, I believe that these are the same kinds of people.

If you know of anything similar to this story, either from Christianity or elsewhere, please let me know. I have been pondering the meaning of all of this lately, including what you said about Christianity accounting for material evil. My experience suggests that it does exist. I am not an atheist anymore. I don't know what I believe these days.
I suspect that Lynch was infested with what the Bible describes as "unclean spirits" and that he passed them off to the boys with whom he came in contact, whether he managed to molest them or not. The fact that he used to "hypnotise" them indicates his involvement with the occult; both hypnotism and drugs can serve as opening a spiritual door to the affected mind. I recommend that the reader, regardless of what he believes, behave as if the Bible's account of Jesus Christ and demons are true, meditate on the Word of God, thank God for his deliverence, and pray daily for continued restoration for himself and the other victims.

As to why the reader got better despite his lack of belief, perhaps someone was praying for him, perhaps the unclean spirit got bored - they are varying degrees of intelligent, you see - or perhaps it was simply God's will that he be cleansed of the spiritual filth. But his experience, and the inability of the average person to even begin to believe what he and the other victims were experiencing at the time, demonstrates how Lynch, and how people like the Podestas, are able to get away with their evil practices in full sight of a world that does not believe in evil.

If you think this all sounds stupid or ridiculous, that's fine. You're not the first to feel that way, and if one day you change your mind upon actually encountering the spiritual world, you won't be the first to do that either.
I showed the video of Rosa’s exorcism to two of the world’s leading neurosurgeons and researchers in California and to a group of prominent psychiatrists in New York.

Dr. Neil Martin is chief of neurosurgery at the UCLA Medical Center. He has performed more than 5,000 brain surgeries and is regularly cited as in the top 1 percent of his specialty. On August 3, I showed him the video of Rosa’s exorcism. This is his response: “Absolutely amazing. There’s a major force at work within her somehow. I don’t know the underlying origin of it. She’s not separated from the environment. She’s not in a catatonic state. She’s responding to the priest and is aware of the context. The energy she shows is amazing. The priest on the right is struggling to control her. He’s holding her down, as are the others, and the sweat is dripping off his face at a time when she’s not sweating. This doesn’t seem to be hallucinations. She appears to be engaged in the process but resisting. You can see she has no ability to pull herself back.”

I asked Dr. Martin if this was some kind of brain disorder. “It doesn’t look like schizophrenia or epilepsy,” he said. “It could be delirium, an agitated disconnection from normal behavior. But the powerful verbalization we’re hearing, that’s not what you get with delirium. With delirium you see the struggling, maybe the yelling, but this guttural voice seems like it’s coming from someplace else. I’ve done thousands of surgeries, on brain tumors, traumatic brain injuries, ruptured brain aneurysms, infections affecting the brain, and I haven’t seen this kind of consequence from any of those disorders. This goes beyond anything I’ve ever experienced—that’s for certain.”

I also showed the video to Dr. Itzhak Fried, a neurosurgeon and clinical specialist in epilepsy surgery, seizure disorder, and the study of human memory. He is based at both UCLA and the Tel-Aviv Sourasky Medical Center. This was his conclusion: “It looks like something authentic. She is like a caged animal. I don’t think there’s a loss of consciousness or contact, because she’s in contact with the people. She appears to respond to the people who talk to her. It’s a striking change in behavior. I believe everything originates in the brain. So which part of the brain could serve this type of behavior? The limbic system, which has to do with emotional processing of stimuli, and the temporal lobe. I don’t see this as epilepsy. It’s not necessarily a lesion. It’s a physiological state. It seems to be associated with religious things. In the temporal lobe there’s something called hyper-religiosity. You probably won’t have this in somebody who has no religious background. Can I characterize it? Maybe. Can I treat it? No.”

I asked Dr. Fried if he believed in God, and he took a long pause before answering: “I do believe there is a limit to human understanding. Beyond this limit, I’m willing to recognize an entity called God.”

The reaction of the neurosurgeons took me by surprise. I had expected they would quickly dismiss Rosa’s symptoms as madness or unintentional fraud or suggest that she might be cured by brain surgery. They did not.

They wouldn’t come out and say, “Of course this woman is possessed by Satan,” but they seemed baffled as to how to define her ailment, and both agreed it was not something they would attempt to cure with surgery.
Three things I found particularly interesting about the Vanity Fair piece:
  • The real scientists take it seriously. The charlatans project their own fraud and refuse to do so. 
  • Father Amorth observes that Satan still rules this world, as Jesus and Paul both separately observed.
  • The demon still fears the late exorcist even after his death. Perhaps praying to the saints for their intercession is nothing more than a legitimate request for assistance, not a paganesque form of idolatry or ancestor worship.

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189 Comments:

Anonymous Icicle November 07, 2016 5:07 AM  

If you want to study evil more formally, you should look up the field of theodicy.

You don't have to stick with Leibniz and the Christian paradigm. Then when the time is right you can branch off into the more exotic paradigms like misotheism and dystheism.

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 5:12 AM  

I'm of the opinion that the Book of Enoch is correct - it is referred to by Peter's letter after all - that demons are the spirits of dead Nephilim. But demons are far from the only malevolent spirits out there, and we tend to worry too much about demons when Powers and Principalities should be our concern. Demons are basically demented.

Anonymous Anonymous November 07, 2016 5:16 AM  

Anyone interested in this subject should listen to the Art Bell interviews with Father Malachi Martin on YouTube. There are seven of them, as I recall. It is about 22 hours of discussion and testimony. Martin was the Vatican's chief exorcist for many years and was murdered in 1999 by being pushed down the steps of his apartment building in Manhattan. He was in his late 70s at the time. He had three PhDs in Ancient Languages and other related subjects and spoke Aramaic and Coptic. Your understanding of this subject is incomplete without it.

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 5:18 AM  

As for the status of 1. Enoch, I believe it is oral tradition, put in writing too late. (Second Temple period). By that time, some information was already lost, and some legendary elements may have crept in. Hence it's not at the same level as Canon proper, but still very useful for understanding certain assumptions that would have been obvious to those who were reading the original scrolls of the New Testament.

Blogger Shimshon November 07, 2016 5:21 AM  

The numbers show these sickos are literally insatiable. One man damaged a thousand, and would've done far more if he wasn't stopped. Imagine what a whole network of them in positions of power can do. Tens, hundreds, of thousands. I only just read that when Bill Clinton became president he filled the FBI's pedophile task force (or whatever) with...pedophiles. Talk about perfect cover. No doubt they've been in power and spreading widely since then.

It explains the Clintons' interest in Haiti. Lots of children that no one actually cares about that are easily "misplaced."

Or this recent article from Drudge:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/30/fears-for-missing-child-refugees

The "Pizzagate Summary" at /r/The_Donald is scary in how extensive and connected these people are.

Anonymous grimlorn November 07, 2016 5:27 AM  

Is any of you thinking about how normies will react if they read something like last articles on this blog... Like they are reading Jack Chick ravings. If someone reads this and thinks that it represents alt right and Trump suporters, that we are crazy religious fundies accusing our opposition of most inane stuff and calling for with hunts, that is basically a vote for Hillary.
Not to mention how you are focusing on this, rather on so many legit issues. One article about latest FBI crap, half a dozen about "satanists", pedophilia, evil...

Anonymous Icicle November 07, 2016 5:29 AM  

I only just read that when Bill Clinton became president he filled the FBI's pedophile task force (or whatever) with...pedophiles. Talk about perfect cover.

Reminds me of people working for the DEA that end up selling drugs. I wonder what other fields that applies too.

Is Cernovich's 25% in congress having a connection to pedophilia actually accurate? I always thought it was more like 5%. He'd better get cracking on that.

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 5:30 AM  

grimlorn wrote:Is any of you thinking about how normies will react if they read something like last articles on this blog... Like they are reading Jack Chick ravings. If someone reads this and thinks that it represents alt right and Trump suporters, that we are crazy religious fundies accusing our opposition of most inane stuff and calling for with hunts, that is basically a vote for Hillary.

You couldn't possibly imagine how little we care. Vox has been talking about this stuff for at least ten years. And NOW it's a problem? Ain't happening.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 5:31 AM  

The demon still fears the late exorcist even after his death. Perhaps praying to the saints for their intercession is nothing more than a legitimate request for assistance, not a paganesque form of idolatry or ancestor worship.

It has been practiced since the earliest days of Christianity, and miracles have been worked not just through saints that have gone to heaven, but even through the relics that they left on earth.

The rejection of any veneration of saints and request for their help is just one example of Protestants over-reacting to anything they perceived as being distinctly Catholic.

Anonymous Icicle November 07, 2016 5:31 AM  

Is any of you thinking about how normies

Most normies barely even read anymore.

Not to mention how you are focusing on this, rather on so many legit issues. One article about latest FBI crap, half a dozen about "satanists", pedophilia, evil...

This is bigger than Trump.

Blogger Andre B November 07, 2016 5:33 AM  

Praying to saints for assistance? I thought VD was a protestant? This is a matter that is very interesting to me: I'm an evangelical Christian, very friendly to Catholicism. This part, escathology, has always been a stumbling block for me, what with all the different views. I currently go with N. T. Wright's view that when a person dies, he "rests in God", in a kind of "stasis", until the time comes for a New Earth, that view would make praying for the saints pointless. But I sincerely find it all very confusing.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora November 07, 2016 5:33 AM  

Enoch is corroborated by Isaiah who called evil spirits Rapha which was a name for a tribe of giants. The winged genies of Assyrian belief were dead "sages" from before the flood. The angels who fathered them are in Tartarus according to Peter. So demons and their sires the titans. It fits exactly. Even if Enoch is fake you have to imagine it wold have been written to appeal to present belief at the time. Plus Jude did quote part himself.

There are other reasons to take this view. But this is off the top of my head.

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 5:35 AM  

Yeah, Enoch being FAKE is a preposterous view. But the only alternative is not that it's then Canon. I view it the way the Jews of Jesus's time did: Useful book, worthy of respect, but not part of Tanach.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 5:37 AM  

I think the Protestant hatred of the saints, or even the idea of sainthood, comes from their view of how we are saved. Luther said that we are totally depraved, that we can never be made holy, and that all our actions are sins. That said, he thought salvation came through Christ's justice being imputed to us, and he describes this as like having a white covering over a pile of dung - we are still dung, we are still in our sins, we are still unholy and displeasing to God, but Christ covers that over so that we can slide into heaven. This totally does away with the practice of holiness, the desire for sanctification. Which is why most Protestants aren't quite as extreme as Luther, although they are still affected by this bad theology to a degree. For Protestants in general though, salvation does not come through being purified and practicing a holy life in the love of God, but merely by having your debts wiped away by Christ, regardless of your holiness or degree of sanctification; the Catholic view, on the other hand, is that God's grace actually purifies us, causes a physical change in our souls, so that we become inherently pleasing to God. This is why we Catholics can venerate saints whereas Protestants see no point in it - we venerates saints because they have been purified by God and live in a state of holiness, whereas for Protestants, at least in the traditional Protestant view, the saints are all piles of dung whose stench has meanly been covered up by the pleasing odour of Christ's blood.

Blogger Stephen Burrows November 07, 2016 5:38 AM  

RE Praying to the saints:
You go to someones house. They bring you food and drink, show you movies, entertain you in any way they can think of and you never need to lift a finger.
Then you go to a second house. There's still great food and everything you want, but when you're in this house you help out with the washing up. You offer to take out the garbage and do any other chores that need doing. Now, putting aside which house you'd rather go to, in which house are you better friends with the host?

That's how I'd describe the intercession of the saints - just people in heaven helping with God's 'work'. Not because it's necessary but just to be closer to him.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 5:40 AM  

Andre B, the idea that the saints are in a kind of stasis until the end of the world was explicitly condemned by the Catholic Church in the middle ages, after a controversy arose about it. The Catholic Church has always taught that the saints in heaven live with God are able to hear and our answer our prayers through communion with God. That's why the Church has always asked for the prayers of the saints since the earliest times.

Blogger VD November 07, 2016 5:41 AM  

Is any of you thinking about how normies will react if they read something like last articles on this blog... Like they are reading Jack Chick ravings. If someone reads this and thinks that it represents alt right and Trump suporters, that we are crazy religious fundies accusing our opposition of most inane stuff and calling for with hunts, that is basically a vote for Hillary.

My IQ exceeds the average normie's by more than the average normie's exceeds the mentally retarded. So, perhaps you will understand that I care about their reactions about as much as they care about what some drooling 50-IQ retard thinks about their opinions.

Regardless, the normal person will vote for whomever they are emotionally inclined to support. If their reaction to the outlandish concept that Hillary is infested with spiritual evil is to vote for her, they were going to vote for her anyhow.

Blogger Stilicho November 07, 2016 5:42 AM  

We have one intercessor. Beyond that, the role of the saints is a bit of a mystery as it relates to us, so maybe you are right.

One thing these emails have made clear is the non-banality of evil. It is alive, active, malevolent, and physically present in this world and concentrated in the halls of secular power.

Blogger benedictsanctus November 07, 2016 5:46 AM  

I wonder how much divorce and broken homes predisposes boys to be more receptive to these evil creatures; the Evil One probably had this in mind all along.

Regarding the prayers to saints Catholics pray to them for their prayerful intercession just you would ask another Christian to pray for you.

Anonymous Dyskord November 07, 2016 5:48 AM  

@2 I think its a mischaracterization to dismiss demons as demented.
Just because they think differently and have alien motivations does not mean they are of unsound mind merely we cannot grasp their full intent or reason. Also most people lump the Powers and principalities into the term Demon. The average person doesn't have a great grasp on the particulars. Nephilim, Fallen are all the things called demons to John and Joan Q Public.
I've always wondered if there are levels of possession. The base low demons who drive people mad and perform acts of depravity and self destruction and the greater Fallen whom subsume the human host. These actually replace the soul of the possessed and can live quite easily and unobtrusively with people. The only real difference is their pursuit of evil and the joy and purpose they have in corrupting others. Of course this is all done secretly and they're always the last person you expect. Sometimes the goal isn't to lead men directly into corruption but merely to make the inevitable decline possible.
For instance promoting a secular society, ridiculing and belittling faith and those whom adhere to any belief other than the materialistic. You don't have to snort coke or spend your weekends soliciting prostitutes, no, the Fallen are happy as long as you look upon the faithful with disdain and mock and ridicule those who believe in chastity not promiscuity and keep an open mind about sin.
Remember for evil to succeed good men need only do nothing. The natural clause to the statement is there is only so much a man can allow before he and others can no longer consider himself a good man.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 5:48 AM  

The big way I found out about material evil was through dreams, nightmares and sleep paralysis. Calling on the name of Jesus Christ was my only respite and ultimately denouncing the thing and rejecting association with it got me free.

I recommend: https://www.amazon.com/Sleep-Paralysis-What-How-Stop/dp/0991232917

by Chris White.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 5:50 AM  

I experienced sleep paralysis regularly when I was investigation occult things. It stopped as soon as I stopped investigating.

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 5:51 AM  

Dyskord wrote:@2 I think its a mischaracterization to dismiss demons as demented.

Note that I'm specifically talking about demons proper - spirits of dead Nephilim. I can't think of a single instance where they show any intelligence above wanting to possess people and torment them for their own enjoyment. It's the OTHER guys that are doing all the plotting and planning.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 07, 2016 5:52 AM  

Vox is discussing Fr. Amorth, he periodically mentions the pope, and he even refers to Ann Barnhardt, and yet as of 18 days ago, he has never seriously considered Catholicism.

For years, I've been telling folks that Vox would make a great Catholic--a Traditional Catholic, no less. For years, I've told you, Vox, that you're a shoe-in for the Church. You truly are.

But no matter how many times I try to pair VD's philosophy with the Catholic world...

I'm just not convincing, I suppose.

Blogger kh123 November 07, 2016 5:53 AM  

What surprised me was how many skeptics or folks I'd run into who simply scoffed at anything religious let alone Christian, and who I always thought did it either because of "I hated being raised Catholic" childhoods or for scoring easy social circle points, would at times admit to... seeing things. The scoffing was a sort of coping mechanism or a form of denial, but retelling whatever it was they saw or thought they saw, there'd be that type of non-response where the person doesn't want to think the thing over anymore, but can't help but be caught by it - totally out of character. Neither an easy explanation or way to rationalize it away, which you could tell they'd love to. As would I.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 07, 2016 5:54 AM  

My own encounter with the supernatural, which I originally described in my blog's 2/27/2016 entry:

This was in the twilight between sleep and lucidity, sometime during my early teenage years. I wake up in the middle of the night to see a large, flat face filling the entirety of the wall opposite my bed. The face was bright but in greyscale, as it was night. It was God, it told me and it wanted to talk with me. Terrified I said “NO!” and heart pounding, I curled up under the sheets in icy sweat, making sure that no part of me is exposed and I frantically crossed myself and prayed. Later as an adult, I described that vision to a man with prodigious knowledge of the Bible. I told him that I once saw God but it was terrifying. He lost his smile and said “It wasn’t God and it’s good that you refused to talk with it. What you saw was a demon.”

PA

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 5:54 AM  

benedictsanctus, submission to parents has an inherently sanctifying effect, being a part of God's Law ("Honour thy father and thy mother"). That said, those who obey their parents generally have greater protection against the demons, whereas those are disobedient do not. This goes doubly for those with religious parents, because religious parents are in a position to pray for their children and defend them from spiritual attacks. There's an exorcist named Fr. Chad Ripperger who says the father of the house especially has the spiritual authority to bless the house and the children, and defend it spiritually.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 5:54 AM  


@13 you make good points about the Lutheran attitude toward holiness. But I don't think this is the cause of revulsion towards saint worship. The revulsion is due to idolatry. Worship directed to anyone other than Yahweh is idolatry. Although, in Hebrew and Greek, worship just means to "bow down", and many men were bowed down to, without sin imputed. Jesus said to pray to "Our Father"; so any prayer directed otherwise is considered (and felt at visceral level) to be counterfeit, second-rate, not the real thing. Idolatry even.

Blogger Stilicho November 07, 2016 5:55 AM  

Wait, does this mean that Hillary's epileptic and fainting episodes are potentially a side effect of possession (or imperfect demonic control slipping occasionally)?

On the other hand, since the Podesta emails came out, I've thought that Hillary has been spending a lot of time pouring over the fine print in her own contract with Old Scratch, and wondering which direction her own downfall is coming from...

Blogger REI November 07, 2016 5:56 AM  

Those finding this interesting should read this account of a group of people who have found ways of moving into the afterlife at will, and who spend time there helping dead people who are stuck in this world to move on to the next experience. http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/answers.html There is more and more interest in this experience being a simulation as described in recent statements by Elon Musk. Over 100 years ago Christian Scientists described this experience as the Waking Dream and claimed that "There is no matter". That statement is still part of their Sunday Services. A modern explanation of what Christian Scientists practice would be that we are living in the ultimate virtual reality game, but that there is a God and he is Pure Unconditional Love. Believing that all is a mortal illusion created by our beliefs, Christian Scientists routinely violate the assumed laws of physics with what they term Prayer from the proper basis. For more on their practices read Spiritual Healing in a Scientific Age by Peel.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 5:58 AM  

A difference I have detected studying the Word and personal experiences is that there are two basic types unclean spirits (loose cannons) who are demented (probably due to their separation from God) and those that still have access to the throne of God and will take assignments.

The latter comes out only when the believers fast and pray because they have permissions from God Himself, and so the believer must petition God.

I've learned to treat ANY manifestation that I have observed as God exposing evil and a reason to call on His name and offer intercession. It's the only thing that works.

This nation needs it now more than ever.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 6:01 AM  

@28 MycroftJones, the problem with that is that it would simply explode the history of the Church. The Church has always prayed to the saints, especially to Mary, for their intercession. Read the ancient liturgies, for example, in the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom we read:

It is truly right to bless you, Theotokos [literally "God-bearer", referring to Mary], ever blessed, most pure, and Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim, without corruption you gave birth to God the Logos. We magnify you, the true Theotokos.

...

You have granted us, Your humble and unworthy servants, to stand even at this hour before the glory of Your holy Altar of sacrifice and to offer to You due worship and praise. Master, accept the Trisagion Hymn also from the lips of us sinners, and visit us in Your goodness. Forgive all our voluntary and involuntary transgressions, sanctify our souls and bodies, and grant that we may worship You in holiness all the days of our lives, through the intercessions of the holy Theotokos and of all the saints who have pleased You throughout the ages.


Or the ancient Roman Canon:

Communicating, and reverencing the memory first of the glorious Mary, ever a virgin, Mother of our God and Lord Jesus Christ; likewise of thy blessed apostles and martyrs, Peter and Paul, Andrew, James, John, Thomas, James, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Simon and Thaddeus; of Linus, Cletus, Clement, Xystus, Cornelius, Cyprian, Lawrence, Chrysogonus, john and Paul, Cosmas and Damian, and of all thy saints; by whose merits and prayers grant that in all things we may be guarded by thy protecting help. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 6:02 AM  

I experienced sleep paralysis regularly when I was investigation occult things. It stopped as soon as I stopped investigating.

I had a familiar spirit due to my family's high level involvement in Freemasonry. Started having lucid dreams as early as I can remember (around the age of four). My parents told me it was my imagination, then dad had one. That's when we started calling on the name of Jesus.

Blogger Achilles November 07, 2016 6:03 AM  

I pray for all those who have encountered true evil. We, above all others, have no excuse to sit on the sidelines.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 6:04 AM  

Chrysostum may have been a good Christian, but he taught against some of the most fundamental teachings of Christ. In this, Chrysostum was just like Luther.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 6:05 AM  

@32 the sources you cite are 500 years after Christ. Hardly "always". The Man of Sin had crept into the Church even less than 100 years after Christ's death. Praying to Mary, praying to Saints... it is contrary to praying to Our Father. In fact, it smacks of necromancy, in addition to idolatry. Remember the story of King Saul and the ghost of Samuel.

Blogger kh123 November 07, 2016 6:06 AM  

...And the non-response would come from asking "So, it was something like a car's headlights playing tricks with light and shadow through the window. That's what you saw in your room, right?"

Which you could tell wasn't the case, so far as they're concerned. But they'd never admit it, not fully.

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Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 6:08 AM  

@ Markku, speaking of dead Nephilim....

https://g.co/kgs/ilwDrP

Look at Leonard Cohen's lyrics in "If It Be Your Will" and observe Anthony's rendition of it. Describes the fallen creatures in the book of Enoch quite well.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 6:10 AM  

@32 in fact, the Akathist hymns of worship to Mary are some of the rankest pussy pedestalising I've seen. And they come from the time of Chrysostum. And what is more, the come from the time when Islam got started. Back then, before the 200 year historical blackout, Islam was considered just another sect of Christianity.

Think about it: The Byzantine empire falls to pussy worship, worships Mary, renames the pagan gods with names of Saints and continues all the old paganism, Empress Theodora punishes any man who objects to his wife committing adultery. Then Islam, a strong patriarchal religion, rises like a meteor, much like the Mormons did under Joseph Smith. Various foreigners noted how much American women ruled over their men.

Nature abhors a vacuum. Patriarchy fills the vacuum.

Blogger SemiSpook37 November 07, 2016 6:12 AM  

@23

Only thing we can do in that regard is just to keep praying for his (and his family's) conversion. The problem is that there are only small pockets of those who embrace the Tradition of the Church that it makes it difficult to be properly formed. It's unfortunate that most of the Italian clergy are flaming Modernists, but there are still a few good, Traditional priests in country.

VD's doing yeoman's work with all of his other activities. There's definitely some good to come from asking for a little intervention. We should already be doing it for a variety of other reasons, anyways.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 6:12 AM  

@36, MycroftJones, do you really think that Christ abandoned His Church, despite His promise in scripture that He would never do so? The same Church that you complain fell into the paganism, is the same Church that gave us the canonical scriptures, the same Church filled with countless saints & martyrs that spread the gospel throughout the world, the same Church that contained so many monastic orders where holy men and women gave their entire lives to the service of God.

The idea that Christ abandoned His Church for over a thousand years and left it to some bumpkin to read the Bible and miraculously discover "pure Christianity", is preposterous.

Blogger Joe Keenan November 07, 2016 6:13 AM  

When discussing evil, two books stick in my mind, Hostage to the Devil by Malachi Martin and People of the Lie by M Scott Peck. In Hostage, Martin the stories/history behind some exorcisms, I couldn't read past third. Peck's book is also very powerful, the scene where another psychologist is attacked during an exorcism is very powerful. Peck relates the childs face changed shape before his eyes. See also, Possessed, the true story behind The Exorcist, he was a Lutheran boy who dabbled with a Ouija board....don't do that.

Anonymous Cinco November 07, 2016 6:13 AM  

@Markku

I can't think of a single instance where they show any intelligence above wanting to possess people and torment them for their own enjoyment.

You should check out the book, "Hostage to the Devil." (It's not a book for people without a solid foundation in the Faith). It turns out that their purpose has little to do with "their enjoyment," more to to do with filling up Hell in order to make Satan's Kingdom larger.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 6:13 AM  

@ Markku, speaking of dead Nephilim....

https://g.co/kgs/ilwDrP

Look at Leonard Cohen's lyrics in "If It Be Your Will" and observe Anthony's rendition of it. Describes the fallen creatures in the book of Enoch quite well.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 07, 2016 6:15 AM  

@41

The problem is that there are only small pockets of those who embrace the Tradition of the Church that it makes it difficult to be properly formed.

True. Hence the familiar SSPX phrase: "irregular, but valid."

Story of my life.

Should Vox ever decide to join Christendom, his formation will be an irregular path. Was pretty much the same way with me, which is probably why I'm such a damned outcast among the various groups I try to join.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 6:17 AM  

@42 Christ didn't abandon his Church. His Church just isn't who you think it is. In His own words, "In that day, many will say Lord Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and do many powerful works in your name"? But He says to them, "Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness." Matthew 7:22,23

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 6:21 AM  

@42 lest I seem obtuse, Jesus said "My sheep know my voice, and follow me." John 10:27 And also, "This is the love of God, that we obey his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome." (1 John 5:3)

Blogger Mighty Lou November 07, 2016 6:21 AM  

From what I have observed I'm my experience is that a main tactic of people like Lynch is to seek out and neutralize the biggest threat to themselves. This is why we see so many of them in places of power because the
best way to neutralize a threat is to become it. That's why these people become teachers, clergy and law enforcement, to corrupt those positions of trust and destroy any safe haven their victims may have.

Here is an account of one such man:

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/12/news/bangor/one-year-after-rev-robert-carlsons-suicide-lessons-learned-on-child-sexual-abuse/

Blogger Joe Keenan November 07, 2016 6:27 AM  

@40 If The Church fell into apostasy 100 years or so after Christ's death and resurrection, then apostates gave us the Bible. How does that work out? Is The Church The Whore of Babylon when you disagree with Her, and The Pillar and Foundation of all Truth when you agree with Her? It seems so.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 6:29 AM  

@51 I never said the Catholic Church is the Pillar and Foundation of all Truth. Nor did I say the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 6:30 AM  

@35,

Chrysostum may have been a good Christian, but he taught against some of the most fundamental teachings of Christ. In this, Chrysostum was just like Luther.

The problem with this statement, Mycroft, is that who is it that has the authority to declare what the fundamental teachings of Christ are, who is it that has the authority to interpret and teach scripture? Are you aware of the astonishing claim that you are making? You are implying that you have a special authority to teach God's word, certainly higher than St. John Chrysostom, who was a priest, a bishop, and a saint, a doctor of the Catholic Church, venerated by the Church for centuries as one of the Church's greatest teachers.

This is why Protestantism is ultimately preposterous. It comes down to authority. Who has the authority to declare what God has spoken? Who has the authority to interpret the scriptures?

There are two options (that I can see):

1. Everybody has equal authority to decide for themselves what God has taught, therefore religion is a matter of opinion.

2. God has specially appointed certain people with the authority to teach religion, just like He did in the Old Testament with Moses and the Aaronic priesthood, and the prophets.

Interestingly, St. Jude in his epistle warns against the rebellion of Core or Korah. If you go back to the Book of Numbers in the OT, you will see that Core's rebellion was him saying to Moses, "who are you to raise yourself up over the people of God?" His rebellion was essentially the exact same as the Protestant rebellion: the rebellion of the people of God against their God-appointed religious leaders, on the grounds that they are the "people of God" and therefore all of equal authority. What happens to Core and his fellow rebels? God opens up the ground to swallow them up and take them directly to hell, indicating that rebellion against authority is the most direct route to hell.

Christ appointed ordained ministers to be His teachers of the New Testament, just as He did with the Old Testament - those are the apostles and the successors of the apostles, which are the bishops of the Catholic Church. These are the ones with the authority to teach. This is why there has been an unbroken line of apostolic succession in the Catholic Church, as bishop has laid his hands on bishop, passing on the grace to govern the Church.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 6:36 AM  

@53 the Catholic Church acknowledges the Bible as the Word of God. Therefore, the Word is the authority, since it comes directly from God. The entire Bible preaches the practice of holyness, with detailed instructions. Chrysostum declared that many of those instructions were anathema, and that any keeping them should be ejected from the Church as Judaizers.

Choosing between the plain meaning of Jesus words (Matthew 5:17), versus the interpretations of a corrupt organization that makes all sorts of outlandish and unbiblical claims? I'll believe the Word unless someone gives good reason not to. Noah was the only one who survived the Flood. I know there will be considerably more than that who survive the coming troubles.

Blogger Joe Keenan November 07, 2016 6:36 AM  

@48 You're correct, Christ did not abandon His Church, he established it with Peter as it's head. He gave Peter the Keys and the power to Bound and Loosen. That Church has persisted through time, it is The Catholic Church. http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47016.htm

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 6:36 AM  

So in conclusion, MycroftJones, we all have the right to ask you who you are, and who has sent you? Did God send you to teach us where the true Church is to be found? Did God send you to lead us to salvation? Did God send you to interpret the scriptures for us?

If God hasn't sent you, shut up.
If God has sent you, prove it.

I only speak as a Catholic, and I say that the bishops of the Catholic Church have been sent by God to teach and confirm us in the faith, and as evidence I offer the testimony of the Church fathers who all teach the apostolic succession.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 6:36 AM  

The whore of Babylon is from Babylon, where she got carried off to because of her disobedience to God.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 6:39 AM  

The entire Bible preaches the practice of holyness, with detailed instructions. Chrysostum declared that many of those instructions were anathema, and that any keeping them should be ejected from the Church as Judaizers.

Mycroft, are you a Jew that wants to mix the practice of the Old Law with the New? It's not just St. John Chrysostom that warned us against Judaizers. The New Testament itself, especially the writings of St. Paul, warns us against them. Judaizers were among the very first heretics in the Church.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 6:40 AM  

John Collision, just look at Nicaragua. Did God send us Liberation Theology? The Pope seems to think so.

Blogger VD November 07, 2016 6:46 AM  

For years, I've been telling folks that Vox would make a great Catholic--a Traditional Catholic, no less. For years, I've told you, Vox, that you're a shoe-in for the Church. You truly are.

There is no way I would ever join a church that is led by a man like Pope Francis.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 6:46 AM  

No, God didn't send us Liberation Theology.
Liberation Theology has no place in the doctrine of the Church, but only in the minds of (probably) heretical theologians.
The Church has always had heretics in her midst trying to subvert the Church. These days are particularly bad.
That many of our divinely-appointed ministers abuse their authority to teach falsehoods does not mean necessarily that they have lost their authority, and it certainly does not mean that the authority does not exist at all. In the OT, there were decadent times when the priest / Levites utterly failed to teach Israel the Way, but that didn't mean that their authority was abolished. Even up until the days of Christ, Christ did not deny that the pharisees had in principle the authority to teach: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do . . .

Blogger VD November 07, 2016 6:46 AM  

Drop it, Mycroft Jones. You're both off-topic and you're attempting to sow dissension. Either shut up or I'll shut you up.

Blogger John Collinson November 07, 2016 6:55 AM  

@58, recent popes scandalised me as well, and kept me from joining the Church for a while. Don't be scandalised. The popes do not have unlimited power or authority - they are bound by Christ and by the teachings of all the previous popes. Ultimately, Christ is the head of the Church, and the pope is only His vicar (His representative). This does not mean that the pope is the holiest & most Christlike man in the Church, because the pope represents Christ primarily in terms of His governance, not necessarily His sanctity.

Throughout most of history most Catholics had no direct contact with the pope whatsoever. Often times, Catholics would go years without realising that a pope had died and a new one had been appointed. The point I'm making is that, while the pope does have a very crucial role in the hierarchical governance of the Church, it was only in recent times that the Church became an international celebrity figure that we see every other day. The truth is that, as a Catholic, you can safely ignore everything that the pope says and does through the media, and you are only obligated to listen when he speaks in virtue of his apostolic authority to define a matter of faith & morals (which hasn't happened for 60 years).

In the middle ages, many abandoned the Church because they couldn't stand how disgracefully luxurious the pope & bishops were. Don't be scandalised. The Church will survive bad men who fail in the duties of their office.

@59, That's disingenuous Mycroft. I too follow the God described in the Bible, it's just that I follow according to the divine and correct interpretation according to the Church, whereas you follow a false interpretation according to your own opinion.

Blogger joe b November 07, 2016 6:59 AM  

If you think that the grounds for Protesting was a simple question of authority, you may have a bit more research to do before claiming Protestantism preposterous.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 07, 2016 7:01 AM  

Praying to saints is like this: I want to ask my boss for a raise, but he's kind of intimidating and I'm not sure I deserve one. I'm going to ask, but I figure I could use some help. There's this older employee who's a real favorite of the boss because he's done great things for the company over the years, and the boss always seems to give him what he wants. So I go make my case to that employee, asking him to put in a good word with the boss for me.

I'm not asking the employee for the raise (not "worshiping" the saint); I'm only asking for intercession.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 7:02 AM  

@60 This election has me on edge. Sorry.

Blogger The Kurgan November 07, 2016 7:04 AM  

Grimlorn,
and other tone policing shills:

Fuck off. We don't care.
And we WILL burn the lot of you in due course.

Blogger Lazarus November 07, 2016 7:10 AM  

One of the things that strikes me about people involved in Spiritism, is that they don't consider the entities they come in contact with to be actively malevolent, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Blogger darrenl November 07, 2016 7:13 AM  

This stuff is very real. Thanks for the article.

Intersections by the Saints is extremely important. They aren't dead. They are cheering us on as we run the race as they did. Think of them as the 13th man.

"There is no way I would ever join a church that is led by a man like Pope Francis."

It makes no logical sense to leave Peter because of Judas. The Catholic Church is either the Church founded by Christ, or it's not. If it is, you need to get there immediately. If it's not, then stay far away from us as we would be the worse of idolaters and charlatans. Francis has nothing to do with those facts. Praying for you always, Mr. Vox.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 07, 2016 7:14 AM  

LH: For years, I've been telling folks that Vox would make a great Catholic--a Traditional Catholic, no less. For years, I've told you, Vox, that you're a shoe-in for the Church. You truly are.

VD: There is no way I would ever join a church that is led by a man like Pope Francis.


Well, fortunately, then, it can be safely said that Pope Francis isn't leading the Church at all. Rather, he's leading atheists and the fake religious Churchians.

I joined the Church at the height of the breaking pedophile scandal in 2001. I realized even then that what the Church is will ultimately transcend these earthly advantages that the Devil has.

It can be done, if you have the strength of will.

Pope Francis and the Freemasons and occultist infiltrators in the Church are a punishment from God. The Almighty has allowed the Devil to have power for only a time. Pope Francis could even be the False Prophet, and the New Mass could be the Abomination of Desolation. But God will let the world wander in the desert, and then renew everything Himself--just to demonstrate how powerful and patient He is. The world is definitely convulsing, but it's not over, and neither is the Church.

At least consider this--and I won't ask you to reply. Just consider it. Consider what a strong and meaningful gesture it would be to God to join His Son's Church in these, the blackest days of its history. Vox, if a man can look beyond that kind of evil, then surely he is fit to survive the Chastisement itself. After following you for over a decade, I believe that you have what it takes. You can do it.

You could also look at it this way: we on the Alt-Right are asking independents and disaffected liberals to vote Republican for a day...all in the blackest time for the Republican Party's identity--a time in which the Republican Party deserves to be destroyed. (It's an imperfect comparison, but I tried.)

OpenID simplytimothy November 07, 2016 7:15 AM  

I have prayed to God for the author of the email. I applaud the man on his commitment to truth and admire his courage to state that he sees what he sees.


If you think this all sounds stupid or ridiculous, that's fine. You're not the first to feel that way, and if one day you change your mind upon actually encountering the spiritual world

"God is more real than reality" conveys for me the experience the author relays. The materialist looks for naturalistic explanations, yet for those who God has touched (and saved) and opened eyes we see the material and the spiritual--through a glass darkly.

Notice the fruits of the spirits. The author is "getting better" becoming "truly human" and good. This is the work of God. The evil ones are creating death and suffering.

I am confident the author will grow in the faith .

Thank you for posting the email, VD.

Blogger William Hughes November 07, 2016 7:19 AM  

Saint Michael Archangel defend us in battle.

Blogger Fr. Frank November 07, 2016 7:22 AM  

"@32 in fact, the Akathist hymns of worship to Mary are some of the rankest pussy pedestalising I've seen."

"Think about it: The Byzantine empire falls to pussy worship, worships Mary . . . ."

MycroftJones: Would you consider walking back some of this filth? I am a convert to Catholicism from a radical form of protestantism, so I get the visceral reaction you have to belief in the intercession of Mary and the other saints. However, you do not advance your argument for the sovereignty of Jesus Christ and His unique position as our intercessor before the Father by characterizing our love for His mother as pussy pedestaling and pussy-worship. Our Lord and King is Mary's Savior, but He remains her son according to the flesh; and He still loves his mother. If nothing else, please consider walking back the filth for Jesus' sake, and for the love He has in His heart for her. You can't lift Him up by tearing her down. From our Liturgy: "The Lord is glorified in His saints; wondrous in majesty, working wonders."

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 7:22 AM  

That last line.

"Paul I know, and Jesus I know, but who are you?!"

Blogger S1AL November 07, 2016 7:22 AM  

"It makes no logical sense to leave Peter because of Judas. The Catholic Church is either the Church founded by Christ, or it's not."

This is a false dichotomy. As has been noted here before, one can certainly view the RCC as a splinter church that broke from the mainline Orthodox. One can also, with good reason, view the RCC as a Roman Church and deny that it is the "one true Church".

Moreover, Matthew 18:18. Nothing that was promised to Peter was not also promised to the church, which Christ in verses 19-20 indicates in realized in "two or three" who gather in his name.

And that leaves aside the issues of RCC teachings and traditions that area plainly contradictory to scripture, such as calling a priest "Father".

Anonymous Sensei November 07, 2016 7:23 AM  

I would say she fits into the pattern that we call Dissociative Trance and Possession Disorder. There is no obvious known psychopathology. Exorcism as a therapeutic technique could work.

I like how they can't bring themselves to admit the existence of possession even having dealt with it personally and being at a loss to explain it any other way, but they're quite willing to invent something called possession syndrome for which exorcism may be a viable therapy. Reminds me of a song by Becoming the Archetype from their album based on C.S.Lewis' That Hideous Strength:

They sewed their own eyes shut
To protect them from the light
Closed the doorway of their minds
Barred and sealed it tight

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 07, 2016 7:30 AM  

@58

There is no way I would ever join a church that is led by a man like Pope Francis.

Besides...it's likely that Pope Francis is Peter the Roman, that he's ruling over a troubled Church, that Rome is on the verge of destruction, that Pope Francis will soon be walking over the bodies of dead clergy, and that he will eventually be assassinated.

That's what prophecy says will happen, anyway.

Should all of that happen within the decade, and Fatima and others come true as all Heaven-sent prophecy does, then please consider joining up. Though, the eternal rewards for following Christ are greater when you have the least amount of confirming evidence.

Blogger praetorian November 07, 2016 7:30 AM  

The demon still fears the late exorcist even after his death. Perhaps praying to the saints for their intercession is nothing more than a legitimate request for assistance, not a paganesque form of idolatry or ancestor worship.

Thanks for recognizing this detail in the story and for mentioning it.

Fellow popecucks: no D&C please.

Blogger Mountain Man November 07, 2016 7:31 AM  

I was not a believer until the age of 25. Over the period of months my understanding of sin, Gods wrath towards it and the role of Christ as my savior became crystal clear. Leading up to this point I was plagued by dreams where I was standing in the middle of an open space and on both sides were angels. It was obvious one was evil. In the dreams the evil one would physically pull on me to make me join with him. The other one was good. His energy was powerful and very kind. In the dreams he would always be urging me gently to follow him. After months of these dreams and deep studying of Scripture I had a conversion. That night I was sleeping and had dream that is the most horrific Ive ever had. In it a creature that was total evil came to me. To this day it is hard to explain...dark as the ace of spades and very marginally similar in composition to the orcs you see in Lord Of The Rings. In my dream it physically assaulted me with a rage that defies explanation. It choked me and then threw me around. It had incredible force. The anger towards me was such that when I awoke and reflected it seemed like the excessive rage came because Satan knew he had lost one who had great potential. .Thankfully God had other plans and rescued me.
Yes demons are real and Satan is very active. He knows he has limited time before Christ will come back. As the destroyer he is working overtime to wreck as much as possible. But we should take great comfort in knowing that his days are numbered and as the book of Job points out , he is limited by the permission granted to him by God.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 07, 2016 7:31 AM  

It would have been nice if God had sorted out the whole angels problem before He created Man. Obviously mankind has enough problems of his own without also being beset by the legions of satan.

Oh well, God works in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform...

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 7:32 AM  

Yes, the Holy Spirit creates unity in His body. Glomming on to the term "catholic" doesn't make the efforts of men the effort of God.

His sheep hear His voice and will not hear the voice of another. His Church is built out of His blood covenant not a comment He made regarding a truth that He was affirming spoken by His disciple Peter.

It was that Truth that He established the Church on, not the man.

Cursed is man that trusteth in man.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 7:35 AM  

Fatima was a demon IMO.

Anonymous badhairday November 07, 2016 7:38 AM  

Re healing:

Bruce Francis gives a really interesting interview on this. I would wholeheartedly recommend the 'water meditation' that he describes.

The interview is on YouTube.

Blogger Mountain Man November 07, 2016 7:43 AM  

There is the visible church and the invisible church.
The visible church: Catholic,Orthodox, Baptist, Adventist etc.....
The invisible church: Believers of the above mentioned denominations who believe in Christ alone and what he did on the cross.. as the only hope for the fallen nature of man.
During the great tribulation that will inevitably be ushered in , it will be the invisible church that is filled with the true believers.

Blogger S1AL November 07, 2016 7:44 AM  

"This is clearly a figure of speech. It would be like saying to your best friend not to call anyone else friend, because your his only friend."

Except that Jesus was directly addressing the issue of calling sometime "Father" on account of his religious position. That is the plain context of the passage.

"Do you accuse those who fail to physically pluck out their eyes when they see something scandalous as plainly contradicting scripture as well?"

Does your eye cause you to sin?

Blogger The Kurgan November 07, 2016 7:46 AM  

VD
There is no way I would ever join a church that is led by a man like Pope Francis

Francis is a Heretic and quite possibly the heral of the anti-Christ. Actual Catholics recognise this and have done so for years. You may want to read up on Sede Privationism though the main texts appear to be available only in Italian.

Try here for a primer, it is actually what led me to decide on Catholicism:
http://www.sodalitium.biz

Their take on the Novus Ordo mass is entertaining, as are most of the articles. They certainly don't mince their words about Bergoglio, Islam, refugees and many other topics you also write about.

Blogger Nate November 07, 2016 7:53 AM  

"Perhaps praying to the saints for their intercession is nothing more than a legitimate request for assistance,"

The Saints are very much like the crowd in a football game.

I'm not Catholic but much of my father's side of my family is. When one prays to the saints what he's doing is pumping up the crowd so they can in-return pump him up.

its not a perfect metaphor but I think it should help explain to those who think its paganism.

Blogger Eric Mueller November 07, 2016 7:57 AM  

I picked up Father Amorth's book on a Kindle special a while back. Haven't gotten to it yet. I might need to assign it a higher priority.

Anonymous VFM 9054 November 07, 2016 8:02 AM  

I am a former demoniac. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in the field, because I doubt such a thing exists. It is not the kind of thing that is systematize-able, or study-able. So, I can speak for my experiences, and the conclusions I have drawn from them, but I will be the first to admit that there are more thing in heaven and earth than are dreamt in my philosophy. And I believe that much of the human evil that horrifies us, things that start with "serial ----", are as a consequence of the influence of the kingdom of darkness. Sometimes through actual Faustian bargains, and sometimes through allowing powers influence in your life that you ought not to.

In regard to the power of Saints, I think this post is relevant.

Blogger The Kurgan November 07, 2016 8:02 AM  

Nate,
+1

Blogger GAHCindy November 07, 2016 8:10 AM  

The presence of demonic activity could be the reason why predators seem to be very wary of me. It's the presence of the Holy Spirit, not some ability of mine to see through them. I'm not sure I'd advise an unbeliever to try to engage the spirit world with anything but repentance and belief in Jesus Christ, though. Remember the man who tried to cast out demons without authority. The spirit relied "Jesus I know, and Paul, but who are you?" And commenced to kick the stuffing out of him.

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 8:12 AM  

In today's language, the spirit said "who bitch this is?"

Blogger Nate November 07, 2016 8:17 AM  

We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Eph 6:12

And you thought the Bible had nothing to say about modern politics...

Anonymous Epopehtffe November 07, 2016 8:22 AM  

Satan is bound in the pit. Has been since AD70. Paul died circa AD68 so all his letters are before then.

Blogger VD November 07, 2016 8:22 AM  

Go away, John Collinson. When I tell one off-topic commenter to shut up, that does not mean that you have carte blanche to do the same thing.

All your comments have been deleted. The next one in that vein will be spammed.

Listen up, all you Catholic and Protestant idiots alike. I don't give a single flying fuck for all your "I belong to the One True Church" bullshit. Whether you do or not, I don't care. I'm tired of repeatedly warning you and I'm going directly to spamming you the next time I see any a) Catholic attacking Protestantism or b) Protestant attacking Catholicism on any thread that is not explicitly created for inter-denominational disputation.

Alles klar?

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 8:23 AM  

FINALLY! I've been waiting for that declaration for so long.

Anonymous Stickwick November 07, 2016 8:33 AM  

Arthur Isaac: The big way I found out about material evil was through dreams, nightmares and sleep paralysis. Calling on the name of Jesus Christ was my only respite and ultimately denouncing the thing and rejecting association with it got me free.

Before I was Christian, I experienced sleep paralysis, night terrors, horrifically visceral nightmares, and what can probably be described as visitations. I once had a lucid experience of a shadowy figure in a hat at the foot of my bed, which disappeared as soon as I called out to my husband. As an atheist, I wrote it all off, as Scrooge did after his first visitation, as an overactive imagination or some purely materialistic phenomenon like indigestion. I didn't realize it until now, but once I became actively Christian, it all stopped. The shadowy figure in particular was interesting, because I've read accounts of women who've experienced exactly the same thing, one of whom said that only by calling out the name of Jesus and asking her husband to pray over her did the shadowy figure and its horrible presence leave her.

Like Vox said in one of his videos with Stefan Molyneux, I still have a rationalist, materialist side to me, and I strive to find natural explanations for these things, which is not surprising since I am a scientist. Yet there is no other explanation for some of the things I've experienced, including tangible, excruciating, burning evil. I am forced to conclude that the spiritual realm is actively present here.

Blogger allyn71 November 07, 2016 8:34 AM  

With all the problems we face; with a confirmed satanaic, pedophile cabal attempting to capture the presidency, perhaps we could put aside resolving the 30 years war for a little bit.

Father Amorth, St. Pius V, and Mary, Mother of God, Pray for Us!

Blogger S1AL November 07, 2016 8:39 AM  

Agreed

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 07, 2016 8:47 AM  

Speaking of evil, the Podesta brothers eerily match the computer generated images of the two men wanted for questioning in the disappearance of a young child on vacation in Portugal

Blogger dienw November 07, 2016 8:47 AM  

And I spent so much time with my comment!

Anonymous Avalanche November 07, 2016 8:55 AM  

@35 "Praying to Mary, praying to Saints... it is contrary to praying to Our Father. In fact, it smacks of necromancy, in addition to idolatry."

?? I've never understood this except as a 'fight' between religions (or more specifically between religious leaders!). If, in your "tribe," there are wise elders with knowledge and experiences that you, as a youngling, do not have; WHY would you NOT call on their wisdom and love for you to help you find your way?

IF you believe in souls and afterlife, why would calling on those tribal elders (after their deaths) not be the SAME request for help and leadership? That is NOT idolatry; it is requesting help from those who know more than you. (Do you "worship" your priest/church leader when you ask him for advice? Or do you just respect his knowledge and advice?!)

I can certainly imagine the 'current' leaders of the tribe (religion) trying to get tribe members to quit 'asking for help' from .... not-him ... as a power ploy -- but as idolatry and worship?! Does that even make sense?!

Blogger Mindcrime2015 November 07, 2016 9:08 AM  

Short time lurker, very rarely have commented.

A question for you all. Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science?

I am fairly well educated in science, first in engineering and now healthcare, and I always default to finding a rational explanation for things that occur. That having been said, I am firmly convinced that the house I used to own is haunted. That shit was real. Not certain if what happened there was malevolent or benign. I could not find a rational way to explain what occurred without resorting to spirituality.

Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. My searches thus far have been underwhelming.

Thanks

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 9:10 AM  

Mindcrime2015 wrote:I am firmly convinced that the house I used to own is haunted.

Steps in stairs, that are obviously located, and not "things that go bump in the night"? Scratching from inside walls, that is obviously a human-like hand, not a mouse? Tapping on windows, that has a clear rhythm? Pets acting weird?

Blogger S1AL November 07, 2016 9:14 AM  

"A question for you all. Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science?"

That would depend on the specific issue you think exists. William Lane Craig excellent in the philosophy side; reasons.org is a great resource for an Old-Earth Creationist viewpoint; Lee Strobel and Alister McGrath have addressed historical questions.

Blogger Happy Housewife November 07, 2016 9:15 AM  

"The shadowy figure in particular was interesting, because I've read accounts of women who've experienced exactly the same thing, one of whom said that only by calling out the name of Jesus and asking her husband to pray over her did the shadowy figure and its horrible presence leave her."

I've experienced sleep paralysis my entire adulthood. I've also been a Christian for that long and yet I had these nighttime visitations. The strange thing was my figure would slowly make its way, from rattling the door knob to walking further into the room, as the years passed, until it was eventually standing over me as I frozen with terror. Then I read an account where someone suggested calling on Jesus' name while in the throes of paralysis. I haven't seen the figure since; all that time I let it terrify me because I didn't know what it was, or I thought it was just my imagination.

It's comforting that this isn't something I'm alone on. Even more comforting is witnessing the true power of Jesus' name. This world belongs to Satan, but we aren't powerless.

Blogger MycroftJones November 07, 2016 9:15 AM  

@100 There are Christian groups that teach "soul sleep" based on Ecclesiastes 9:5. Under that concept of death, the saints are not alive in heaven, but are asleep, waiting for the resurrection. That is where the necromancy comes in. Also, there is the story of King Saul and the Witch of Endor; she called up the prophet Samuel for a consultation, and God didn't approve. King Saul lost his kingdom, and his life.

A family member became a Jehovah's Witness because he called on the name Jehovah, and the spirits that were attacking him fled. And they stayed fled. The spirit attacks were similar to the email that started this thread. A lot of Jehovah's Witnesses have similar stories of spirit manifestations that get out of Dodge as soon as they cry out to God.

Based on this, I believe God is bigger than any denomination. The spirit realm is a mystery, but it is real.

Blogger tz November 07, 2016 9:16 AM  

I said it was first a spiritual battle. It is worse than you imagine - consider the all the "sanctuary cities" are deeply infested and that human sacrifice - abortion - empowers demons. A hundred on Lolita Island? 60 Million in the cities and towns.
Trump can stop the hemorrhaging and it is a grace and mercy to have him. Removing the demonic infection will be harder.
Most enjoy their demonic deals.

Blogger allyn71 November 07, 2016 9:16 AM  

@101 "A question for you all. Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science?"

It is hard to answer a subjective request for "worthwhile opinions".

I would argue that the Holy Bible is a pretty good place to start but not sure meets your standard of worthwhile. The other place I would offer, but it is daunting and not for the weak of heart or mind, is taking on St. Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologica. Not many things more rational than that.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft November 07, 2016 9:19 AM  

I'm of two minds about Catholicism. On the one hand, I don't believe for a second that the Vicar is the preeminent Earthly representative of Christ. It's fairly ahistorical as well as naive to think so, sorry. Christ himself said that the Holy Spirit would serve as our bridge (intercessor) to God after Christ departed. The supposedly unbroken apostolic authority the Catholic church claims also seems extremely suspect to me, particularly in its early years, and in the light of such purported artifacts as the "keys to the gates of heaven" which anyone should be able to immediately see are a prop some historical revisionist had forged somewhere along the way.

Is there room for priest, pastors, church leaders? Certainly, but I don't hold that a single man is the uniting point for the entire Earthly church. As for protestantism, the most singular reason was that the Catholic clergy basically monopolized, and in many cases falsely taught or were, bluntly, dishonest about the Word of God. I certainly wouldn't stand for such a vile thing today.

Back on the topic of the saints, several books of the Bible are quite clear that those "dead in Christ" or the saints before us, speak and intercede to God on our behalf. If it's there, might as well use it, just as long as you don't make it an idol. Could they be useful against demonic possessions? I see no reason why not.

I've also not made up my mind as to whether we ought to even specifically remember the saints by name, as canonization is pretty odd to me, and I don't find much (if any) Biblical support for the practice. To me it seems that EVERYONE who dies in Christ is considered to be somewhat of a saint.

Feel free to correct me if I'm missing something here. ^


My perspective on power is that it's an addictive substance. You believe that it can fulfill your desires, you seek power. Eventually you gain more than you can control, then you develop an addiction as the power begins to control YOU (in Soviet Russia, of course...).

Once you have the addiction, you seek further power for nothing other than power itself. Somewhere along the course of this, you start flexing your power. It feels good to show yourself superior to others, because the power is ruling you. You start seeking more and more "delicious" ways to show greater and greater power over others.

Eventually you realize that the only way to show more power is to do things that people really, really don't want you to do (like sexual perversion, slavery, and abuse of children...). You'll even push the envelope, see how obvious you can be about it, shove it in people's faces a bit, as you show off your power (or really, it sheds your human skin) more and more.

Eventually, the power, freed from your control and controlling you in turn, annihilates both you and everything in your grasp. This might be through you pushing the envelope too far, sparking a rebellion. It might be through power finally finishing the last of the marrow from your digested moral skeleton, and completely discarding your human form like a snake shedding its skin (hello "greater" demonic possession). Either way, hung from a tree or as a walking antithetical monstrosity and perverse mockery of life, you wind up destroyed.

Anonymous Avalanche November 07, 2016 9:19 AM  

I struggled with "evil is real" -- not because I don't know it to be so, but because I know it to be so, but do not know what to do with that knowledge

Being without the 'belief gene' -- (and having been a liberal-ish feminist in my younger days) -- I viewed my (first, real, true, actual) exposure to ... supernatural evil ... as merely (as perhaps) an exposure to the dark side of Nature / reality / the universe that surely must exist. I saw (and mostly still SEE) no reason to assign it a name and form (Satan, et al.).

I spent some years learning about and learning to recognize, circulate, and use chi in tai chi (and acupuncture); and studying and practicing with 'opening' to abilities and experiences that we as humans, as natural animals in a naturalistic world/universe (specifically psychic and healing 'abilities' that seem to be inherent, if generally unusable in a modern world / human. These are surely actual real abilities that exist within humans, and can be accessed and trained. (Can I lift 300 pounds? No. Can I be trained to do so? Perhaps. Maybe I can only reach 260 pounds, but if it were not an innate human ability, to some degree, no one could do it -- and SOME people can! Thus with these fringe abilities?)

That there could exist (in Nature) things, beings, abilities, knowledge, -- a whole WORLD of "stuff" that the lack of open sensory organs keeps hidden -- seems normal and perhaps even scientific to me. If we had a biological radio tuner in our heads, we could listen to radio with no mechanical device. Why, then, can there not be other ... "dimensions" (?) with other "beings" (?) that might overlap or reach into ours; and why wouldn't some humans have receivers that can sense those intrusions or beings or whatever? (Is it good or bad? {shrug} depends on the receiver, doesn't it?)

(cont)

Blogger ZhukovG November 07, 2016 9:20 AM  

Thank you Vox! Christians have enough enemies in this world, as you have observed, without shooting at one another.

There is no division in the Body of Christ, only in the hearts of Christians who should know better.

‘All those justified by faith through baptism are incorporated into Christ… brothers and sisters in the Lord.’
Pope John Paul II

Anonymous Avalanche November 07, 2016 9:22 AM  

(cont)
I studied at the Washington (state) Psychic Institute several decades ago (energy 'reading' and energy 'healing'). I'm dubious about all of this stuff, but willing to try it and see. (Not long enough to decide definitively for myself. Long enough to remain open to the ideas. There is more in heaven and earth, Horatio...)

One public session, a girl was brought by her boyfriend: she had been playing with (what else?) a ouija board and had gotten VERY strange / ill thereafter. The boy was worried and looking for help. (Was it a possession? What it a weak-minded girl? Was it an intrusion from somewhere else? I don't know, can't fathom, and don't really care.) The reverend/senior guy in charge said they could help and could "evict" whatever it was she had allowed into herself. (Exorcism? Psychological catharsis? Does the name/description matter?)

We students got to watch. As he 'worked' on the girl, I suddenly had this oh-so-tangible sense of something evil, something really, reeeeally evil, "looking" around the room for another "host." Scared the absolute hell out of me! (At that time, I was a desultory wiccan, so began (mentally -- frantically) drawing the pentacle between me and "it." The WPI teaches working with an aura boundary (energy field?), and self-protection by closing the aura, and so on. I was so terrified that I couldn't even pull up how to do that, and fell back on a symbol I had a vague trust in. (The old saw applies? You CAN drive a vampire away with a Christian cross, but ONLY if you are a believer. A non-believer can wave a thousand crosses -- and the vampire is unaffected. It's the belief, not the symbol.)

The "whatever it was" turned away from me. (Whew!) So, I have absolutely no question that there IS evil, and it CAN come 'play' in our world.

(Side note: In my various researches, I got a book through interlibrary loan by a married couple who worked for the Catholic Church for decades investigating possible possessions for the Church to work on. (Sorry, don't remember the names.) Opened it the night it came, read about four pages -- and put it aside; I would only read it (and I did read the whole thing) sitting on the deck in the full sun. AND I carefully shut what I had learned out of my mind! I can tell about the book existing, but not a single detail remains in my mind! )

Blogger Elizabeth November 07, 2016 9:23 AM  

Stickwick - Seems like you had an encounter with "Hat Man," a type of "Shadow Person."

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/12/beware-of-the-hat-man/

Blogger wreckage November 07, 2016 9:31 AM  

@101 This is a bit esoteric, but if you want to know how God is compatible with causality, which was a major question for me as a Christian, and also why God does not answer to human morality, go and spend a few days reading Edward Feser's blog.

He has very good stuff on causality, the problem of consciousness in strict materialism, and the morality of the will of God.

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com.au/

You might also be interested in a religious reading of Genesis that does not demand the tale be strictly historical:

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/view/de-beer-genesis-creation-and-evolution

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 9:33 AM  

I have come to conclude that the mechanics of exorcism are simply that you first of all make the spirit uncomfortable enough that it makes the calculation that another host is a softer target, and convince it that you will be more persistent in making it uncomfortable than it will be in making you uncomfortable. It's the only thing that makes sense of the fact that they don't leave immediately, but often they still leave eventually. If you had absolute 100% authority over it, like the apostles had as given by Jesus, they would have to go right away.

Anonymous Gecko November 07, 2016 9:34 AM  

How long before we find out that the pizza place is a recipient of Planned Parenthood's baby distribution system?

Anonymous Raoul (Ain't no thing like me, 'cept me) November 07, 2016 9:35 AM  

Vox,
On Friday you posted "Mailvox: the election and the non-problem of evil." In it you described an encounter with the halls of power of this country.
I had a similar experience and struggled to understand it until I read that piece, and this one ties into the same theme.
I've never commented here (despite reading your site for nearly 3 years now), but here is my story:
As a young military man, I had the "fortune" of being assigned to a special duty that saw me going to Camp David on occasion. I don't remember the exact year, but it was between 1996 and 1998 on a Thanksgiving day weekend (nearly twenty damn years, I feel old now..).
I had finished a task and went to the bar of the Camp which was called "The Shangri-La" at that point. When I arrived there were only a couple of people there who I didn't know, and Roger Clinton was shooting pool by himself.
He asked me to join him, and we played one round.
During that round the place starting filling with people, as though they had just left some sort of event. The place filled with 30-40 people within just a few minutes.
As a military support person, I understood that I wasn't to remain in a gathering place for the first family for long. (They brief yoy: "Don't be rude, but finish what you're doing and leave.. This isn't YOUR retreat.")
I finished my game with Roger (who seemed cool), and prepared to leave as the Clintons (HRC, CVC & WJC) walked in and began socializing with the crowd.
I never could put my finger on what caused it, or how this is even possible.. But I FELT the first of this crowd as they walked in. And if FELT wrong.
I was materially invested in not being rude (as a junior military guy surrounded by the most powerful people in the world), so I didn't just run away as was my instinct. I politely finished my game as I grew more and more uncomfortable.
I didn't interact with any of these people, besides Roger, and everything about them just felt wrong. I simultaneously was disgusted by them, hated them, and... admittedly, was afraid of them at the same time.
I can't tell you, to this day why, but there was something wrong with them.
I thought that their faces were going to twist into some demonic rictus, a-la "The Devil's Advocate." at any moment.
When I got out of there, I literally went to take a shower in an attempt to get the psychological stink off of me.
I didn't talk to anyone else that night and I'm pretty sure I went through a pack and a half of cigarettes before barely sleeping.
As a young man, I never believed in the reality of "evil" until then.
These people truly are revolting.

I believe Trump can't lose... He could be as bad as all of the liberal twats say he is, and he's still head and shoulders, standing on a mountain, on top of a thousand feet of crap better than anything the Clinton/Rodham family belched out of their morally infected, unhallowed, coven.
God Bless Trump and M.A.G.A

Blogger VD November 07, 2016 9:36 AM  

A question for you all. Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science?

Castalia will be publishing a few books in this regard in 2017.

Blogger Wanderer November 07, 2016 9:44 AM  

VD wrote:Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science?

Look into Dr. Hugh Ross on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EaWPIlNYY

Blogger Markku November 07, 2016 9:44 AM  

To exorcise a demon successfully, you must love the person more than the demon hates him. Otherwise it knows it can outlast you.

Anonymous Oye November 07, 2016 9:46 AM  

I asked a Muslim years ago: "How do you know demons,Satan and dark magic exist if there is no proof for their existence?" He replied: "That's Satan's goal: to lead man astray. Once he is done with his bidding he need not prove he or the evidence for magic exists."

He summed it up. He said the reason why there is no observable evidence for their existence, here, in the West, is because he has accomplished his goals. What water is to fish is what corruption is to the astray; when one swims in it, will they notice it? Dogmatic rationality, dogmatic materialism, dogmatic scientistry inculcated by Satan means his work is done. The Muslims call this state of man 'ghafla' - oblivion and heedlessness.

You can't prove and disprove a negative. And one cannot reason with an especially heedless and oblivious populace that will come nowhere near logic and rational debate. Satan has succeeded.

Muslims have good sober reads on the subject. "both hypnotism and drugs can serve as opening a spiritual door to the affected mind" I learned that from the Muzzies. This is a pretty good intro to the topic: https://www.amazon.com/Ibn-Taymiyahs-Essay-Jinn-Demons/dp/B004HDZV8W/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1478526333&sr=1-1&keywords=jinn+bilal

He doesn't get dogmatic. He cites many sources, from outside his religion too.

Blogger darrenl November 07, 2016 9:49 AM  

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Blogger YIH November 07, 2016 9:52 AM  

Before about 1980 sexual abuse of children was often ''swept under the rug''. Police/social workers often ignored it - or didn't consider it something they needed to involve themselves in. Unless, to put it bluntly, the rug got too bumpy to ignore.
If a girl got pregnant at an unusually early age, either she would be married off to someone or sent to a 'home for unwed mothers' and the baby adopted out.
With boys, the confusion plus the stigma of 'you might be a homosexual' often kept them quiet. Or if it was an older woman and she got pregnant, again, either adopt out or a forced marriage - or the older woman's husband got an extra child (that he didn't actually father).
Or even, in some cases the if the child became ''a problem'' the child would ''disappear'' (run away, or just go 'missing').
What changed? Several things; 60's/70's era 'activism' but even more so, the changes in media around 1980.
Pre-1980 child disappearances often didn't make the news outside of a newspaper's circulation area, same with TV/radio. Post-1980, inaugurated the first true 'national' newspaper (USA Today, of course) as well as a marked expansion of in both hours of operation (many TV/radio stations began 24 hour broadcasting then) and the number of stations themselves (remember the beginning of FOX? It's first show was America's Most Wanted) as well as cable TV (suddenly going from 2 or 3 channels to 2 or 3 dozen channels, such as CNN) which meant a child disappearing became big (and national) news.
For example, what would the JonBenet case have been pre-1980? A short-lived (and localized) ''missing child'' story - and likely nothing more.
Of course, post-1980, the pendulum often swung too far over.
I also belive that the vast majority of homosexuals were abused as children and often for men, went on to perpetuate the sick cycle.
With women, they'd often become dysfunctional or yes, even worse, a man-hating lesbo type.

Anonymous Trimegistus November 07, 2016 10:01 AM  

It seems as though all the accounts of pedo predators I hear or read about mention their amazing charisma and ability to manipulate others -- not just kids but other adults.

It makes me wonder: is there some connection between pedophilia and skill at manipulation? In other words, is there something about being sexually obsessed with kids that makes them good at manipulating people? Or the reverse: do natural manipulators become obsessed with pedophile sex?

Or is this just selection bias: the non-charismatic, non-manipulative pedos quickly get caught and/or beaten and never get to do much damage.

Thoughts, anyone?

Anonymous Stickwick November 07, 2016 10:05 AM  

Mindcrime2015: A question for you all. Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science?

I am an astrophysicist who came to Christianity through science and am now active in apologetics, so my website is a good place to start. I also strongly recommend The Science of God by Gerald Schroeder, God's Crime Scene by J. Warner Wallace, and any of Hugh Ross' books. Keep in mind that while science and Christian belief are eminently reconcilable, not everything in Christianity is explainable by natural philosophy.

Blogger tz November 07, 2016 10:09 AM  

The Gospel at Mass today was the beginning of Luke 17

Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. So watch yourselves.

Blogger tz November 07, 2016 10:13 AM  

@114, not quite. Kurt Koch's books, particularly Occult Bondage and Deliverance go into it.

It isn't by your power, you are a sheep taking on a wolf. Only with the help of the Good Shepherd can it be done.

Blogger Nate November 07, 2016 10:19 AM  

"A question for you all. Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science? "

there is nothing to reconcile. It is a myth that science and christianity are at odds.

Blogger Badger Brigadon November 07, 2016 10:20 AM  

I was raped regularly as a little boy, by another boy about 7 years older than me, who bullied/talked me into it, for about 2 months. It's amazing how easy it is to manipulate a 7 year old you abuse regularly simply by laying off the bullying.

The only way I got over it was by putting two kids in the hospital, and then my school coach when I was 15 drove me to my old bully's house and kept lookout while I beat him half to death.

Cured me right proper. All this crap about trying to keep boys from being violent destroys the most valuable method by which they maintain their sanity in the face of intolerable stress.

Blogger darrenl November 07, 2016 10:21 AM  

"Mindcrime2015: A question for you all. Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science?"

I would argue that there is no need to reconcile as science is not the tool to use when looking at Christian teaching...but...if you insist.

Two things:
1. A book by Fr. Robert Spritzer called "New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy"
2. Anything by Aquinas.

Anonymous Andrew E. November 07, 2016 10:26 AM  

A very good discussion about the demonic and possession from someone who's been fighting this on the front lines (from a kind of true crime perspective) of this for decades, Russ Dizdar. He was on the Hagmann's show Friday evening discussing the Clinton's, pedophilia, demonic influences of our elites. Worth listening to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obTr62798lw

Blogger Badger Brigadon November 07, 2016 10:30 AM  

@127- I couldn't agree more.

Anyone that thinks God must accomplish things with outrageously supernatural special effects is nuts. God MADE the rules of nature, and science... using them to accomplish his means is child's play by comparison.

People demand 'miracles'. Isn't gravity a Miracle? How about the way a prism splits light into it's individual wavelengths, or the way our Eyes work? How about the way one maladapted coastal scavenger became even Less and less adapted to it's environment rather than more, and developed the ability to perceive Beauty? Regardless of whether god used a bolt of lightning or a billion years of selective breeding, is it not utterly miraculous?

Those who claim that there is 'no evidence for god' are utterly insane... The entire universe, the fact that the laws of science WORK, all are incredibly strong evidence pointing to the existence of god... They are not utterly incontrovertible 'proof', but, as frequently understood, 'reality' is something we don't really understand or have the capability to perceive anyway.

Blogger Anonymous-9 November 07, 2016 10:35 AM  

"God, please protect me." Say this before looking at Podesta artwork, before looking at pictures related to serial killers, and say it often. Evil entities can attach to physical objects, as well as pictures. They are always looking for a way to cast a hook into human being. Armor yourself. Call on God and his protection.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 10:44 AM  

Hugh Ross, specifically "Navigating Genesis" is a good resource for what he describes as integrating God's two books of revelation, the Bible and His creation. The Bible points us to the creation repeatedly to observe God's work and consider it.

Anonymous johnc November 07, 2016 10:46 AM  

There is no way I would ever join a church that is led by a man like Pope Francis.

So you mean there's a chance?

Anonymous Mike November 07, 2016 10:47 AM  

When I was an atheist, I had to deal with many people like the pedophile in the comment. I had no adequate explanation for the presence of actual, objective evil. It was clearly not a culturally-derived, subjective moral judgment that they were evil - it just obviously was an objective fact that Evil existed. It would be evil even if not a single person on the planet considered it evil.

That realization was the starting point that led me, slowly but inexorably, to Christianity.

Maybe that's one of the reason God permits evil to exist - for the more hardheaded and stubborn among us, it stands as a witness to the truths that surrounds us, and points us towards its Opposite.

Blogger Six November 07, 2016 10:53 AM  

I've never written about this nor talked about it much except to my wife. I am moved to do so now, in this public place. I was raped and physically abused by my step father when I was a boy.

I never doubted that God was with me during the horrors I experienced at the hands of an evil madman.

I remember lying in a cornfield one night, trying to hide from him. I was about 7 or 8 at the time. It was dark. It was cold. I lay shivering in fear in the night. Then I felt a snake slither over my legs. I recall it clearly but what I most remember is the feeling that I wasn't alone. I was suddenly warmer and less afraid. I knew, KNEW, that God was watching over me and keeping me from harm. And he did.

From that moment on I found my courage and the strength to endure and heal. There were more years of abuse but I never forgot that moment. My mother finally recognized what was going on and got us out.

For me, I found a way to deal through my Faith. I never lost it. Never.

Stop fighting God. He was there, with you through all of it. He experienced all your horror and pain with you. And He will repay.

Open your heart and let him in. No doubts, no confusion. I am a survivor like you and I testify to you here, in front of anyone who cares to read, that Jesus is Lord. He alive and He loves you. God will heal if only you will ask. Ask, please.

I just paused writing and said a prayer for you. I'm asking any believer who reads this to do the same. Step into the light my spiritual brother.

This world is filled with evil but Home is filled with love. We are in the world but not of it. We fight against and endure the evil because that's our job. It's why we're here. Some are wounded and some die. It's what soldiers do and we are all soldiers for one side or the other.

And when we are done we are called Home where there is no more evil. No more tears. The Word and the power of prayer are our weapons. The power of God our armor. The promise of salvation and peace our reward.

Be strong. Be courageous. Be free.

Blogger Badger Brigadon November 07, 2016 10:56 AM  

Hell, I am asking the unbelievers too.

Unlike bugs bunny, in the real world gravity doesn't stop working just because you don't believe in it.

Blogger Badger Brigadon November 07, 2016 11:01 AM  

Weirdly, I was actually sympathetic to Gabriel in 'Constantine'. People are at their best when the world is at it's worst. Nothing brings out the honor, valor, and love humans have like horror.
Humans are built to deal with tribulations. It's success and ease that corrupt and destroy us.

Blogger JeffHansen November 07, 2016 11:03 AM  

I have absolute faith in the Bible, I am still intrigued with VD's "Evil proves the truth of the BIble". I regularly reason with people about the Bible, but very seldom bother with Athiests because I use the Bible only.

While I know most only turn to God when life kicks them, I also inwardly am burning when talking to midwits, would love to have a purely secular reasoning point.
Back to the topic specifically, the Greeks and Roman leaders were Pedophiles and I have always thought all men of power seem to gravitate to it, no double because of the perverted demonic influence.
I hope all of those people are openly exposed, their demonic lords care as much for them as humans do about ants.

Blogger Quadko November 07, 2016 11:06 AM  

Any suggestions on where to find worthwhile opinions on how to reconcile Christian teachings and science?
Hugh Ross is good and fun on the old earth creationist pov, and for scientists from the young earth creationist pov, try icr.org. They've got short articles on their website, and publish a technical journal with longer/deeper articles less focused on pov evangelism than the website.

This is on the more point of views and more reading is always better theory. :)

Blogger benedictsanctus November 07, 2016 11:18 AM  

@26 Poor choice of words on my part; I should have written: I wonder if growing up in a divorced home where the father has been forced out and is prevented from being able to perform one of the primary duties of a father which is protection of the family as well as a lack of positive male role models and and in some cases being taught that men are evil makes some boys more predisposed to being preyed upon by these evil ones. Probably one of the things Satan had in mind when he convinced Christians to start allowing changes to be made to the teachings on marriage (in that it is ok to get a divorce).

Good words on obedience - would that more adults also practiced the virtue of obedience too, albeit in a prudent manner.

Anonymous Sazerac November 07, 2016 11:24 AM  

I had an elderly family member tell me once in the middle of coffee that they had been abused as a young child. They had never told anyone before. Even at their age it left deep scars. Where I live at the moment you get all sorts of people passing through, some people just seem wrong.

I used to know a girl who claimed she could see dead people, she only told a few people and kept it secret but she said she sees them all the time and just ignores them. If they realise you can see them they will start following you which is bad.

Another good friend of mine, Hindu/Buddhist believes very strong in dark forces. I remember when we were young and went to a party and some girls pulled out a ouja board. This guy saw it and just left straight away. He wouldn't let anyone do anything like that in his apartment as he realised these dark entities can attach themselves to a place. He has also had the sleep terrors and was physically held down by a figure. After that he moved house. I have had them as well but not severe.

Also my father grew up in a haunted house, at 17 he left and never slept another night in that house for the next 40 years until it was sold. I spent time there as a young child but cannot remember things. I once asked my catholic grandmother if the stories were true and she said yes but she doesn't like to talk about it. The stories were taps being turned on during the night. Hearing people walk down the hallways, things being re-arranged, rarely something thrown across the room and having your sheets ripped of you in the middle of the night.

Blogger Elder Son November 07, 2016 11:34 AM  

God created man to partake in His work. If we are to take part in his work while in the flesh, how much so in the spirit. We are His help-meets.

His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Blogger Unknown November 07, 2016 11:44 AM  

https://www.amazon.com/People-Lie-Hope-Healing-Human/dp/0684848597

In this absorbing and equally inspiring companion volume to his classic trilogy—The Road Less Traveled, Further Along the Road Less Traveled, and The Road Less Traveled and Beyond—Dr. M. Scott Peck brilliantly probes into the essence of human evil.

People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these people of the lie work in the lives of those around them. He presents, from vivid incidents encountered in his psychiatric practice, examples of evil in everyday life.

Anonymous BGKB November 07, 2016 11:45 AM  

demonstrates how Lynch, and how people like the Podestas, are able to get away with their evil practices in full sight of a world that does not believe in evil.

The Jamaican doctor caught by a nurse making kiddy poorn with patients had videos of thousands of patients on his hard drive. Most nurses were probably too PC to notice. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-02-23/health/bs-md-nikita-levy-profile-20130223_1_hopkins-doctor-east-baltimore-medical-center-north-Baltimore

Is Cernovich's 25% in congress having a connection to pedophilia actually accurate?

For Soros funding you have to be blackmailable.

Or is this just selection bias: the non-charismatic, non-manipulative pedos quickly get caught and/or beaten

"Grandpa Moses" has to spend money & roofies, even Michael Jackson had to drug kids while having a Ferris wheel & roller coaster.

Anonymous Stickwick November 07, 2016 11:48 AM  

Went to see Dr. Strange this weekend, and it's a well-made movie worthy of the Marvel canon. Many of my friends and colleagues have already seen it, and, surprisingly, some of the least religious of them are saying it's their favorite of the Marvel movies. This is rather interesting, considering that it is by far the most spiritual of the movies. The hero is an arrogant man of science who is humbled when he is deprived of his ability to practice medicine and encounters what can only be described as a spiritual realm. (Recall also that Tony Stark becomes a hero only after he is humbled by encounters with both evil and good.) This just reinforces that there is a thirst in most humans for the spiritual, for awe and mystery, for recognition that both good and evil exist, and above all that good can and should resist evil.

When I'm told that rational people dismiss the supernatural in favor of science, I say bullsh*t. They manifestly do not. Look at how the characters in The Big Bang Theory are obsessed with elves, wizards, Jedis, and all sorts of other embodiments of the supernatural. We all know this is typical of nerds. They may be highly rational on some level, but there is a part of them that longs for the supernatural, and in that longing lies an unspoken recognition of its existence. And the darker things get in the material world, the greater the need to acknowledge the non-material.

I find it encouraging that movies about the supernatural, that recognize the sharp division between good and evil, are so popular these days. Many people who would deny that they are spiritual are far closer to that realm than they realize.

Anonymous CloseHauled November 07, 2016 12:01 PM  

Sleep paralysis that is a good name for it. I had such an experience:

Back in 2003 I started going to church again (also about the time I started reading VD).
I also was studying the occult/secret societies due to me waking up to all the occult symbolism
right there in front of us every single day. I felt that the evil here is more organized than we can possibly believe and was searching for the proof. I was also working at a startup with some "interesting" Bay Area people who all knew each other from previous startups (my manager's ex-wife was a witch and he used to do sex magic with her and a warlock ... I know this because he told me). But he wasn't the only "interesting" character there. Another employee there that took a strange interest in me was invited to the Bohemian Grove by his billionaire father in law. He wouldn't talk about it after returning.

In that same year, I had an experience that could be called sleep paralysis. I was neither
asleep nor awake but somewhere in between. A powerful evil entity entered my room right above my bed and I instantly knew it HATED me. I have never been so terrified in my entire life. I was paralyzed by fear.

It quickly began to try to crush my head in between its "hands". I felt like I was going to be crushed to death and it took me a few seconds to cry out for Jesus Christ to save me. Once I cried out "Jesus Christ please save me" it stopped for a few seconds but then resumed again. The second time I cried out the same again quicker, "Jesus Christ please save me". And it stopped again. Then it resumed a third time and I immediately cried out "Jesus Christ please save me". It immediately stopped and departed never to return.

Anonymous Oye November 07, 2016 12:03 PM  

@ 142 "He wouldn't let anyone do anything like that in his apartment as he realised these dark entities can attach themselves to a place. "

The more supernatural believing of the Chinese set off firecrackers in new homes they move into to chase the spirits away. Church bells are there to chase spirits out of town.

Every culture has some kind of acknowledgement and understanding on how to deal with these things. There are striking parallels in their understanding of how these things work. You have multi-point cross-cultural/cross-civilizational confirmation of these things.

Blogger MeneMene November 07, 2016 12:03 PM  

I was raised Catholic and am now unaffiliated Christian. I believe in the communion of saints and am not scandalized by the idea of asking people who are with God for help, but when it comes right down to it I always go right to the Top because, why not? He's right here, He hears me, He knows me. I'm happy if others, on earth or in heaven, want to join their prayers to mine, but since I can go boldly right to the throne of grace, that's what I do.

Anonymous digger November 07, 2016 12:11 PM  

So should Christians stay away from hypnotism? Any more info on this?

Is it merely a tool or is there something evil about hypnotism?

Blogger Boko Harambe November 07, 2016 12:12 PM  

Catholics pray for "the intercession of Saints" and for the Blessed Mother to intercede with her Son on our behalf (much as the apostles and disciples prevalied upon Christ to aid the ill and the dead, and much as she did at the wedding at Cana). I have never has an issue with separating Saints and the Blessed Mother from the Trinity, and the notion that praying to a Saint for intercession is wrong is a foreign one. If demons are separate from Satan but act as his minions, then Saints are separate from God and act as His servants in stamping out the various demons.

In any case, the charisma of these snake people is indubitable. Texas Arcane has written of the snake cults of Malta and various sites in pre-Roman times (and in Roman times on up). They almost are a different species, or have genes that manifest as the greater part of the species that mixed with humans. Or they are demons.

I'm willing to admit I sound like a Grade A+ nutter and also that there is so much more to the workings of the universe I do not understand and never will. We have reason to guide us but it cannot give us all the answers, and pretending we have them is just silly. To say Evil does not exist is silly, when if we drop the scales of pride from our eyes we can plainly see that it does. We have only to name it, and it will flee from our light. But somehow we've not only lost the name, but the courage to give it.

Blogger VD November 07, 2016 12:39 PM  

So should Christians stay away from hypnotism?

Yes. It is a means of opening one's mind to outside influences, who are not limited to the hypnotist.

Anonymous Just another commenter November 07, 2016 12:46 PM  

As one blogger put it in "How should a person feel on the day he wakes up in a Dan Brown novel?" Try to explain any of this, let alone all of it, to an average low-info voter or a normal person and you get the “you lost your tinfoil hat” look as they slowly back away.

But try you must. Because truth is important.

Blogger Eggmunkee N November 07, 2016 1:08 PM  

After reading this post, I feel you all would be more receptive to Cathy O'Brien's story than most any group of people on the planet. Her experiences include time with Hillary Clinton (raping) and Senator Byrd, and she can prove her own genital mutilation for these people's evil amusement. If you also have researched MK-ULTRA you will be even more likely to take this as possible. The "Trance-Formation of America" full book from 1995 is available here:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/transforusa/transformation.htm

I hope this provides a little window into American politics from an unusual perspective, including being non-partisan. I find it pretty credible but I don't know of course if it is fully accurate since it had to come from a clearly tortured mind.

OpenID frankluke November 07, 2016 1:24 PM  

If your mailvox reader is interested, the author of the book "Game Plan" tells his story in the book.

He was not only groomed but abused, and it devastated him and sent him in a spiral of his own evil deeds for decades. I don't recall if he speaks of a material evil leaving his body, but the change he talks about within himself is similar. Dallas found freedom after becoming a Christian.

Blogger haus frau November 07, 2016 1:33 PM  

I have had repeated dreams since at least my teen years of something evil in the room and me in the dream trying to call on Jesus but not being able to pronounce the words and then I wake up and start praying until the fear subsides. Who knows what this is? I always wrote it off as a nightmare.
I do have a close friend that sees spirits. She used to have lots of encounters with ghosts that she thought were human spirits until she walked around her home telling them in the name of Jesus that they were not welcome and burning sage. Now the sage is a pagan thing but she says has she has not been contacted by these spirits since them. However she still can sense, see and hear the distinctly non-human evil spirits on rare occasion. She also believes the "human" spirits were likely just variations of the demonic ones and not to ever engage with them or they will become more interested in contacting you. I believe her completely and pray for her deliverance from such a curse. It is unfortunate that the works of the devil are far more tangible to the average person than the works of God but if there is a Devil then there must be a God, as far as I'm concerned.

Blogger Boko Harambe November 07, 2016 1:45 PM  

@156, I have the same dreams. Maybe I'm not specifically calling on Jesus, but I'm struggling to form any words, let alone those of salvation, in my own dreams. I've been alone in my own home, familiar yet dark and savage and malicious with every turn of the corner. We are always under assault, and it is only when we fail to remember our Shield do we succumb.

Prayer is a powerful force, and I pity those who doubt it's power.

Magic? Whatever. Our words hold power because they ask God for help, and He always answers.

Anonymous John M November 07, 2016 1:47 PM  

First-time commenter. This is for the person who sent the mail to Vox.

Run to Jesus. Don't walk. Do it now.

Jesus said:
“When an unclean spirit goes out of someone, it roams through arid regions searching for rest but, finding none, it says, ‘I shall return to my home from which I came.’ But upon returning, it finds it swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and brings back seven other spirits more wicked than itself who move in and dwell there, and the last condition of that person is worse than the first.” (Luke 11:24)

You have no idea what has happened to you. But Jesus knows. And now you are sweeping your house and putting it in order. This feels good. But it will not feel good when the old demon comes back with his seven friends.

Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8). You have seen those works in many forms. Now go see the One who destroys them.

Humble yourself before God. Confess your sins and place all of your trust for all of your salvation in Jesus, who died for sinners like you and me. Come under His protection against evil and the evil one. Go buy a Bible today if you don't have one. Read it. Believe it. Obey it.

I don't know how long you have before Jesus' warning to you comes true. Doubt your doubts and become a skeptic to your skepticism. "We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God" (2 Corinthians 5:20).

I am praying for you.

Anonymous Kolya November 07, 2016 2:11 PM  

Science tells us that millions of years separate man and dinosaurs; yet, from England to Japan our forebears told of fire breathing flying dragons and hinted that these dragons could communicate with humans. In the book of Job chapters 40 and 41 God speaks to Job as if Job had first hand knowledge of dinosaurs and dragons.

We are told that God created all creation in six days and rested on the seventh day. Does no one find it amazing that nowhere on this planet does any tribe of people have a six day or eight day week?

As a Christian who worships at a church, independent of any other church, but part of the church universal, overseen by elders who meet the qualifications of 1st Timothy chapter 3, within my church both formally and informally one might discuss the propriety of drinking, over eating, and even growing tobacco, and one might even critique the church government or the meaning of baptism in other branches of Christianity, but it is profoundly unwise to war with others who proclaim that Jesus is Lord.

And what has an old man come to know? It is very comforting to know that the Creator of all can dwell in one's heart. That when I am at my weakest, I am at my strongest because that is when I lean most on my Savior. "Walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh." It is impossible for these two contradictory forces to occupy the same space at once.

On a tangential note, what really drives abortion. It has to be more than the riddance of a nuisance or the ethereal right of a woman's right to choose in order to produce the atmosphere whereby a woman chooses to murder her unborn child. The demonic world must really get a recharging out of these child sacrifices.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 2:12 PM  

Ugh, it making me feel like the bad old 90's when the Clinton's would kill people to distract from their scandals. We had 20 years of terrorizing the rest of the world and now it seems we are having a window on how it feels at home again.

If she steals it she will purge law enforcement and the media will start working up a froth over right wing extremist, home grown terrorists.

The Satanist exposes will start being the alt-right touchstone again, interspersed with government raids on preppers and a not so proxy war with Russia as the Goldman-Sachs crew drains our retirement accounts for the few shekels left there.

What has Donald been saying? What do we have to lose? A lot if he doesn't bury her on Tuesday night.

Anonymous Athor Pel November 07, 2016 2:14 PM  

" Avalanche November 07, 2016 8:55 AM
...
IF you believe in souls and afterlife, why would calling on those tribal elders (after their deaths) not be the SAME request for help and leadership? That is NOT idolatry; it is requesting help from those who know more than you. (Do you "worship" your priest/church leader when you ask him for advice? Or do you just respect his knowledge and advice?!)

I can certainly imagine the 'current' leaders of the tribe (religion) trying to get tribe members to quit 'asking for help' from .... not-him ... as a power ploy -- but as idolatry and worship?! Does that even make sense?!
"


Since Avalanche's comment hasn't been spammed I'm answering it.

People go to mediums in order to get advice. Why is this bad?

Because dealing with mediums is explicitly forbidden in the Law. I'll say it again, mediums are forbidden in the Law. Therefore becoming a medium yourself is forbidden. Talking to the dead is a no go zone regardless of the reason.

Because where your faith is is where your heart is. To have anything in between you and God is idolatry. It's the first commandment. You're praying to someone in the spiritual realm and it is not God. The spiritual realm is not your uncle's house.

Who saves your soul? Your uncle Frank or Jesus? How do you know you're actually talking to your uncle Frank?

We've been given specific avenues for contact to the spiritual realm. This is for our own protection. You step outside of that and bad things happen, just ask King Saul.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 2:15 PM  

Sleep paralysis, Haus Frau. Chris White's book on it is excellent. He also has a YouTube video that I would highly recommend.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 2:22 PM  

Jesus said He was the God of the living not the dead. The saints have their life in Him. That being said we have one High Priest who reconciles us with God. Once that reconciliation occurs why bother talking to a brother/sister instead of approaching the throne of God boldly as the Bible suggests? Many of the spirits we resist have access to the throne, how are we going to suceed if we don't also approach at the side of our Advocate?

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 07, 2016 2:24 PM  

That video:

https://youtu.be/q6UtDJj4ZF0

Anonymous Camilla Cameo November 07, 2016 2:28 PM  

Since this has got going, several folks, Cernovich and Molyneaux for example, have been saying, maybe there's something to this religion stuff.

God bless you, Vox, for being a witness to Christ among the major figures of the alt-right.

There is no way I would ever join a church that is led by a man like Pope Francis.

Yet more reason to pray for antipope Bergoglio's deposal and condemnation as the blaspheming modernist he is.

Blogger tz November 07, 2016 2:33 PM  

A general Resource Spirit Daily, which sometimes may go a bit far, but details things. From the home page:

When St. Teresa saw a demon attack priest during Mass

Dream: a taste of hell

Use your own discernment, but remember what you no longer consider weird or creepy.

Blogger Happy Housewife November 07, 2016 2:43 PM  

"So should Christians stay away from hypnotism?

Yes. It is a means of opening one's mind to outside influences, who are not limited to the hypnotist."

My old alma mater has a hypnotist come every year as part of their freshmen orientation entertainment. I clearly remember feeling deeply uneasy watching people following the hypnotist's commands, no matter how silly. Seeing a male professor writhe around like Britney Spears wasn't amusing. It was almost frightening.

Blogger tz November 07, 2016 2:45 PM  

@146 - Those who reject the supernatural are making a category error. Science (I forget Vox's term) deals with nature, laws, repeatability, and experiments.

But it goes to materialistic determinism. Are our minds / souls inside or outside nature. If outside, then we have at least one example of supernature. If inside, there is no free will, truth, philosophy, morality, or even science because it is just neural connections or RNA or something else which is just part of Nature, which Lewis Abolition notes as an internal contradiction.

God would be outside, and across the religions there is a simple way to find him:

Ask, but ask with complete humility and honesty.

"God, I know you don't exist but..." is not honest or humble. It is as if I was asking Trump for something and said he was bad because he didn't respond to an email to some arbitrary address and agree to immediately send a check.

Blogger tz November 07, 2016 2:51 PM  

@137 Unlike bugs bunny, in the real world gravity doesn't stop working just because you don't believe in it.

The passage today from Luke 17 included "If you had Faith the size of a mustard seed".

Peter was able to walk on Water not because he was able to doubt gravity but because he was able to believe in Christ.

@58 This is like saying I can't be a part of the Alt-Right because of Richard Spencer. Francis (the talking mule, if you are a fan of old movies) isn't the leader, the Holy Spirit is. There are fallen people in power. You are fine with RooshV but not Francis. If a RooshV was Pope?

Blogger Jeff Stout November 07, 2016 4:27 PM  

Evil is real. There is a spiritual realm that is beyond our sight, but just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't real.

When I read of the cruelties of serial killers such as Jeffrey Dahmer and BTK, I wondered how could one human being doing that to another. How can people have zero empathy to torture and butcher another living person solely for their debased pleasure?

I was reading Father Malachi Martin's book "Hostage to the Devil" and I found my answer: Perfect possession. In perfect possession, the possessed person gives themselves totally to the evil spirit.

"The most extreme state is 'perfect possession,' when the demon has taken complete control. The perfectly possessed person is totally lost. There is nothing I can do," said Martin.

How many of these killers, sociopaths and politicians are living perfectly possessed? Just thinking about the prospect sends a chill down my spine.

But there is good. There is a powerful, loving creative force that just wants us to come back to His grace. A powerful loving force that will stop at nothing to protect us from the never-ending hatred of the darkness. I've felt the touch of the Holy Spirit in my life twice and I've also sensed the relentless, overpowering stench of evil that I knew hated me for merely existing and nothing more.

Anonymous Stickwick November 07, 2016 5:11 PM  

Jeff Stout, you may be interested to know that Dahmer became a Christian in prison. There is nothing in his post-conversion demeanor that suggests it was insincere. Check out his interview with Stone Phillips.

Blogger SirHamster November 07, 2016 6:59 PM  

tz wrote:@58 This is like saying I can't be a part of the Alt-Right because of Richard Spencer. Francis (the talking mule, if you are a fan of old movies) isn't the leader, the Holy Spirit is. There are fallen people in power. You are fine with RooshV but not Francis. If a RooshV was Pope?

The Roman Catholic Church has a particular hierarchy. Joining the Roman Catholic Church to immediately reject its hierarchy is like trying to be a VFM without pledging complete and mindless obedience to the Supreme Dark Lord.

Blogger Daniel November 07, 2016 7:04 PM  

Interesting questions. Made me think

Blogger Frank November 07, 2016 8:06 PM  

So is allah a demon, the devil, or just a figment of mohamed's imagination?

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 07, 2016 9:27 PM  

> Here is an poster which may refer to the out of body experience children have when experiencing extreme abuse:
https://i.sli.mg/kHXqhi.jpg

Sounds like it's a way to eat souls.

Blogger 38th_throwaway November 07, 2016 9:44 PM  

I'm the reader who sent the message in Vox's post, thanking everyone for their comments. The truth is becoming clear to me now. I first questioned the common narrative early this year during a speech by a survivor of a different abuser. Lynch abused far more boys than that predator, but none has ever been able to speak publicly about it. And yet Lynch's sexual abuse was often physically less severe than many other cases. How could it be so dangerous just to be in the same room with him? I thought that maybe one could be destroyed by simply being in a hypnotic state in his presence. I dismissed that idea, but now believe it true.

I remember one thing that Lynch said more clearly than anything else. He told my parents of a man he knew who returned from the Vietnam war. The man had said, "There is no God." Lynch added, "I, of course, believe otherwise." I used to think he was lying, but now I understand. He believed in God and considered God to be the enemy.

Anonymous Ken7- November 07, 2016 9:47 PM  

All unclean spirits and states of energies have their own smells. Did you know that? On one level, it's all very similar. It smells like burning garbage and something rotting. But there are subtle differences.

Hate and anger, for example, smell like burning garbage and rotting flesh. Like you're at the edge of a burning garbage pit with a ton of dead and decaying animals around. Sadness, more of a burning garbage and rotting plants smell. Perversion and sexual degeneracy, on the other hand, smell like a mix of puke and something pungent and moldy.

If you invite or accept any of the negatives into your life -sadness, anger, frustrations, revenge fantasies, perversions of all kinds, ect- you're acquiring a distinct fingerprint like smell.

Often (always?) pushed by these shadowy figures, about the size of an upright human, who either walk or float over and into you to offer various evils. I liken them to Hell's version of crack pushers. They're not necessarily in Hell nor from there operating as they are at least partially in our plane, but that's what they're offering. Forget heroin, that's weak sauce. These things push frustration, hate, fear and hopelessness.

And they're always there to offer their wares. Accept it, and they stick around and grow stronger. And you'll smell. They've been at it since your birth. In your first moments, they pushed frustration and fear onto you. If you were healthy, you cried.

Remember whose world this is. God of this World.

There is a beauty here. God allows all of this because while He may have Grace, the universe itself is indifferent. He will allow frustration and fear, for example, so that you may acquire Longsuffering and Hope.

There's always a light and the plan is all right. God bless and hold tight to Truth, Beauty and Light.

Blogger Elder Son November 07, 2016 11:38 PM  

@159 Science tells us that millions of years separate man and dinosaurs; yet, from England to Japan our forebears told of fire breathing flying dragons and hinted that these dragons could communicate with humans. In the book of Job chapters 40 and 41 God speaks to Job as if Job had first hand knowledge of dinosaurs and dragons.

We are told that God created all creation in six days and rested on the seventh day. Does no one find it amazing that nowhere on this planet does any tribe of people have a six day or eight day week?


Making sense of the Book of Genesis with Dr. Michael Heiser (FULL) - Creative Commons 3.0 Licensed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVBxIC4caHI

Genesis 1:2 and the “Gap Theory” - http://www.michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/WaltkeRestitutionTheory.pdf

Blogger Tracy Coyle November 08, 2016 4:48 AM  

I walked into the room. It was full of people and loud music with a beat but no discernable melody. Hash and marijuana smoke was thick, it smelled of urine, alcohol and that smell of death that once you smell, you recognize immediately forever. A man hung by chains on outstretched arms with this look of...rapture? I didn't understand it then, I know it now, rapture wasn't it. Onlookers were cheering. Two men with knives were busy. I looked at the man's face, he looked right at me and I watched while he screamed. But his eyes never left mine.

I left an hour or so later when a third person was put into the chains. I saw evil. I knew I could have stayed, but I figured the only way out later, if I stayed, was by dying.

You don't have to believe in God to know that evil exists. It is around us every day for those willing to look past the smiles. I often wonder why I never seemed either bothered by, or entrawled by what I saw, or why I was able to leave. I think the comment that 'unclean spirits' is as good as any.

Evil is real, it is present in everyday life. I have walked into places and knew right away when it was there. I usually leave immediately. I don't fear it, but I respect that I got away once, and I have no desire to tempt it again.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz November 08, 2016 5:09 AM  

Around 20 years ago I took part in a exorcism.
Since that a laugh at the atheism.

Blogger Markku November 08, 2016 8:38 AM  

Frank wrote:So is allah a demon, the devil, or just a figment of mohamed's imagination?

If the model of the spiritual world presented in 1. Enoch is correct, then Allah would be a spirit called "Watcher". There are 70 of them. Each took possession of one of the 70 gentile nations/peoples at Babel, when God disinherited the nations.

Blogger Mindcrime2015 November 08, 2016 9:19 AM  

Thank you all for the reading suggestions. I appreciate it.

Markku.

Some of the things that happened in that house were;

I had overslept one day. I was awoken by something pushing my shoulder down hard enough for the mattress springs to fully compress and and make a ringing sound that I could still hear when I awoke. At the time, I lived alone. This happened again a couple months later and I heard footsteps walking away as I was waking up. The first I attributed it to a spasm, as I have sleep apnea, the second time I told the people at work that the house is haunted, but seems to look after me.

After I married, my wife kept hearing odds sounds like someone working in the basement. She didn't thing anything of it at first. That changed when her best friend came over to stay for a few days. One morning her friend was complaining to us that we didn't let her sleep because we were talking in the basement all night and she could hear us through the air vents. We had gone to bed early fell asleep right away.

We had a central staircase that went upstairs. On multiple occasions my dogs would sit at the bottom of the stairs and look up and growl and bark. They would go utterly batshit about it and there would be nothing there.

Once, when walking into the kitchen, my wife let out a shriek and dropped the dishes she was carrying. She had seen an apparition, it was an older woman wearing lime green pants. She felt the apparition seemed to be angry at her. Scared the hell out of her. We shortly thereafter made plans to move.

That is a small amount of the weird shit that occurred in the 6 years we were there.

Blogger Markku November 08, 2016 10:26 AM  

My mother grew up in a haunted house. Staircase being the number one favorite location, and eventual manifestation as older woman, match exactly. Spirit was eventually banished in Jesus's name (when it manifested), and there were no weird phenomena ever again.

Blogger Markku November 08, 2016 10:33 AM  

It is veritably amazing how confident they feel just plain manifesting as a clearly visible entity in a completely unambiguous way. I directly know two people to whom it has happened, at two different locations. And one of them is not a believer in the Western sense. She's an immigrant from Japan. So, inclined to believe in spirits in a nebulous way, but not in a particular god or clearly defined pantheon.

Blogger Markku November 08, 2016 10:37 AM  

Plus one ambigous case from a third (male) person. Also a regularly haunted house. Manifestation as disembodied, red eyes. This is of course much easier to gainsay as a perfectly obvious human figure in front of you.

Anonymous John M November 08, 2016 1:56 PM  

@176

I used to think he was lying, but now I understand. He believed in God and considered God to be the enemy.

"You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble." James 2:19

You really, really need to read the Bible. Pick something that's less important than that and do it today. I recommend that you start with the book of Luke.

Anonymous Avalanche November 09, 2016 8:33 PM  

@161 "Talking to the dead is a no go zone regardless of the reason."

I was addressing the Catholic idea of appealing /praying to saints for help -- NOT contacting mediums asking to talk with Uncle Frank. Nowhere did I mention anything to DO with mediums! (I actually think that is either hopeless or silly.) But "asking" a saint for help, asking him or her to intercede with God on one's behalf isn't... anathema. Nor, I believe, is asking a ("late") tribal elder for support, for help to work out a problem, somehow "communing with the dead."


"People go to mediums in order to get advice."

People go to the nut down the street, or the store owner at the gun store, or their Uncle Frank to get advice.

When I am struggling with a problem, I sometimes "discuss" it (maybe "describe" it is more accurate?) or ask my late husband to 'help me' work it out. (I keep asking him to get working on that lottery thing -- no luck so far! {wink}) I don't expect an answer, I don't expect something "from beyond" -- it's a comfort to me to think, IF he is still "out there," then he still cares what happens to me. If he is not, I have "lost" nothing by talking to a 'him' not there.


"Talking to the dead is a no go zone regardless of the reason."

Have you not lost to death someone you loved? Do you think that person, if that soul still exists, forgets all about you? I don't KNOW if my beloved husband still exists: IF he does, I would find it unbelievably cruel if God wiped me from his mind (if "mind" exists). (What's the point of heaven, if your loved ones don't know who you are?)

If God is love, and God is compassion, and God cares for believers as his own children -- why would asking for help or talking to a lost loved one be a cause of God's cruelty and displeasure?

I don't get that.

OpenID ymarsakar November 17, 2016 7:50 PM  

Some interesting testimonies here.

If God is love, and God is compassion, and God cares for believers as his own children -- why would asking for help or talking to a lost loved one be a cause of God's cruelty and displeasure?

I don't get that.


God isn't human, so cruelty is only something humans use to relate to a superior entity they cannot understand.

To a human, you have no way to determine whether the spirit influencing you is a lost loved one, who that lost spirit is loyal to, or what effect it will have on you. Jesus Christ claims to be the only conduit by which humans of this dispensation can reach the God head, along with the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps there are some organizations like the Catholic adoption of saints when corrupt political priests ended up burning Jean De Arc, that may offer allowed methods for communication with the dead, i.e. saints. The only one I know of that has a protected clause for communicating and uniting with your ancestors, would be the Mormons, that I'm aware of.

Some research into psychotherapy takes the theory that mental illnesses are the byproduct of evil spirits inhabiting the body. And in fact trying to drive them out with anger or harshness is counter productive, that healing only results from nurture and compassion.

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