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Monday, November 28, 2016

Mailvox: stuck on cuck

It's clearly going to take more than the ascendance of the God-Emperor to get some conservatives unstuck from their cuckish clinging to increasingly outdated ideology politics. Consider one self-professed Alt-Right sympathizer on Twitter:
  • I think worldview is what's important and race is a lazy proxy.
  • Race is just a proxy. It's a lazy way to categorize. I think it's important to do the hard work.
  • I know it's hard but if the alt-right could substitute worldview for race, it would be more powerful.
Translation: if only reality would accede to my fantasies, what a wonderful world this would be! This sort of conservative tends to remind me of the white liberals who californicated Colorado and are now californicating Texas.

Sure, what I believed before completely failed, so I had to leave, and even though you haven't asked for my opinion, I'm going to help you improve through making this place more comfortable for me by making it more like the place I just left!

The question from the emailer, who is a reader, is, as you would expect, considerably more intelligent.
Is a racial identity the only identity option, or merely the most reliable or probable given historical precedent? Put differently, is there a deterministic nature to it, or just probabilistic?

I ask this in that racial identity seems to be only an initial filter, and ideological identity always follows soon afterwards.

Is there a specific reason you believe the ideological can't be the first filter?

Off the cuff it seems like it can't because we don't really know what people think or believe, and people can lie, so we sort first by the most obvious traits and then afterwards by the more subtle.

It feels like the effort to sort primarily by ideology and secondarily by race is at the root of the "proposition nation" concept, that there would be a nation unified by an identity which superseded racial identity.

If the failure of the "proposition nation" was that it had no identity, let alone one which superseded racial identity, then in spirit the idea could exist if an identity which superseded race actually existed.

I believe that identity could exist within biblical Christianity, but given that it is personal and not political (like Islam or Judaism which have detailed theocratic components built in), perhaps the only unity possible in this life even with a Christian identity is genuinely "in spirit"?
Racial identity is not the only identity option. The two primary identities are race and religion. Again, to quote the founder of Singapore, Lee Kwan Yew, “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”

The recent presidential election demonstrates that race is a more powerful identity than religion, as more Mormons in Utah voted for Trump than for Evan McMullin, although the fact that so many Mormons were willing to vote for a no-hoper like McMuffin demonstrates the power of religious identity.

The irony is that those who desperately want to cling to the idea of a proposition nation fail to grasp that the only possible alternative to a race-based nationalities in the West is Christian theocracy, complete with a Department of Inquisition. I have yet to see a single person who cringes at the thought of nationalism and professes to be concerned about black and brown Christians endorse the concept of expelling every individual who does not share a Christian identity.

If you don't like either race war or identity politics, then you should not have stupidly embraced immigration from other nations with competing identities. But it's too late now, so it's time to get unstuck from the cuck. You're going to do it sooner or later, so you might as well accept the truth and spare yourself the embarrassment of having to look back on a series of desperate evasions and intellectual dishonesties to go with your previous mistakes.

And for the love of all that is good and holy, beautiful and true, don't even think about quoting Galatians at me. Just spare yourself the inevitable humiliation.

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131 Comments:

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 28, 2016 1:33 PM  

Local cuck of the talk @SteveDeace (midwest) has resorted to live-tweeting the movie Elf.

Anonymous Faceless November 28, 2016 1:37 PM  

If you read RAAN - the Reformed African American Network, they are more than willing to throw out every single thing they learned from Calvin if it violates their racial identity. They certainly aren't going to cling to "Republicanism" if it means not being African American.

Blogger Boko Harambe November 28, 2016 1:46 PM  

Excellent summation of Californication. I tried to get this across in a small group convo recently, but it failed. Everyone had their own justification for why it fails...but of course, This Time It Is Different always comes out to play.

As for embracing immigration...magic dirt. They come here for freedom! Not so much, but that bit of thinking will be difficult to expunge. What they come for is economic gain, and our laws have made it so that immigrants of any legal status are not encumbered by our customs or traditions. They form cohesive in groups and use their status as citizens to vote for more of what they left behind. In the meantime, whites are subject to learning self hatred and about how it's so much better in Europe/China that we should vote in a manner that provides free xyz for all.

I think I've been uncucked for a while now. A lot of this thinking is female in nature..take another look, give another thought, have pity, reconsider, be kind, be generous, don't judge. The time for that has passed.

Blogger Bill November 28, 2016 1:46 PM  

Galatians 5:1; It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Anonymous BIgGayKoranBurner November 28, 2016 1:47 PM  

Race is just a proxy. It's a lazy way to categorize. I think it's important to do the hard work. That for some unknown reason only east Asians and whites engage in.

Is a racial identity the only identity option, or merely the most reliable or probable given historical precedent? Put differently, is there a deterministic nature to it, or just probabilistic?

I can tell you the stereotypes about gays are true for the majority of us. If you want to roll the dice and let a gay couple babysit your son its up to you, but don't think you can trust a gay Hispanic peds nurse.

Notice the following video that went viral with virtue signalers is shot in a bathroom with 2 guys who move to block the little boys attempt to escape. I told people to shop sharing it in case people realize its 2 gays in a bathroom at a house party with someone else's kid but its like no one actually assessed the background in the video. But then again I might be one of those people, like Sherlock Holmes, who "see everything". http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xti1as_little-boy-understands-gay-marriage-in-43-seconds_fun

Blogger Timmy3 November 28, 2016 1:48 PM  

So White liberalism is self-race hating. Funny how Whites need diversity when every other race believes in self preservation. To Californicate Colorado and Texas means they gravitate towards extinction wherever they go. They side with the minorities that are taking over the state unless it is stopped. The "Department of Inquisition" has already occurred on the Left with educational dogma. Why can't it be fostered on the Right? Surrender is always pre-emptive on the Right.

Anonymous krymneth November 28, 2016 1:52 PM  

The other thing you have to consider when asking these questions is how the systems evolve over time. You never get 100% penetration of any idea.

So suppose you set out to create a true proposition nation.

You might actually be able to do so if you select out of the existing populations the people most willing and able to do so, such as the occasional abortive attempts to create libertarian or anarchist polities. Perhaps for a generation or two, it works. But you will not have destroyed religion, race, and whatever other identity sources may exist; they're still there.

And the problem the founder of the proposition nation faces is that race and religion are in our genes, whereas the proposition of the proposition nation is not. Simple regression to the mean will weaken the proposition over time, whereas the race and the religion identities will very likely coalesce if given even the smallest seed. (And there is always some sort of seed.) Their inbuilt advantages make it very difficult for a proposition nation to stay stable over time against source of identity that the playing field is so genetically slanted in favor of.

In particular, when you consider the question of "What are you willing to die for?", races and religions rank fairly high. It is difficult to find any "proposition" for which the same is true, and even moreso, a proposition for which their children who never agreed to the proposition but were just born there are willing to die for, and their grandchildren, and so on.

(You could try for "I'm willing to die for my King", which, historically, may look like it could work. But if you look at who said that about whom, "dying for my King" is often a proxy for the race or religion of the King more than the "mere power" of the King. "I'm willing to risk my life for money" demonstrably works to get people to risk their lives, but is no way to hold a culture together.)

It's not that a proposition nation is abstractly impossible. It's that it's not stable against the existing competition. Which makes it merely impossible in practice. But it's not obvious how impossible it is until you include the time element; static snapshots do not show up how impossible it is.

Anonymous Bob November 28, 2016 1:52 PM  

"The irony is that those who desperately want to cling to the idea of a proposition nation fail to grasp that the only possible alternative to a race-based nationalities in the West is Christian theocracy, complete with a Department of Inquisition."

Can we meme this into existance?

Blogger dc.sunsets November 28, 2016 1:52 PM  

We're still way too close to apogee of this cycle to give up on having our cake and eating it too.

Wait until all the signals on the control panel are red. This notion of shaving off the rough edges will evaporate when people have to confront the question of having no cake (to have or eat) no matter how many times their recent written inventory showed both.

Blogger S1AL November 28, 2016 1:56 PM  

Is worth noting that race is more than genetics, though largely still anchored in it. This is the real flaw in the proposition nation: it requires absolute integration on a cultural level, which isn't possible for the hyphen-cans.

Blogger Nathan November 28, 2016 1:56 PM  

Bill #4,

"Galatians 5:1; It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."

Ha ha. Of course that passage, in context, is talking about the freedom of knowing God in Christ, and no longer being under the law.

Anonymous Dan November 28, 2016 1:58 PM  

“In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”
In Romania gypsies vote with whomever gives them chicken

Anonymous Bz November 28, 2016 1:59 PM  

"substitute worldview for race"

If only we could get our jousting of ideologies back.

Blogger Nate November 28, 2016 2:03 PM  

it could all well go down like you're saying Vox. But just as skin color didn't motivate the indians to band together against the white invaders... I don't think skin color is going to be the primary issue in the US either.

Tribe will be.

There are lots of different tribes. And we would be wise to encourage these tribes to work together to defend western civilization against the barbarians. But the tribes are not going to up and join together on their own just because of skin shade.

In terms of violence... England is in much worse shape than the US is.

Blogger l' Américain November 28, 2016 2:04 PM  

Powerful post, Voxy

Blogger August November 28, 2016 2:05 PM  

The Founding Fathers Were Fathers

Just in case any of these idiots are just genuinely stuck on race...

Blogger tz November 28, 2016 2:14 PM  

First, even if you have a "proposition", it can't be complete and will drift over time as it gets interpreted and questions answered, not unlike Cardinal Newman's Development of Christian Doctrine.

I use this because most think the Reformation was a reset to "Originalist Christianity", but reading Ignatius, Polycarp, and Iraneus and others one generation later than the Apostles shows it was already Catholic on most issues. Even Luther and Calvin (and Henry8) didn't agree on the "proposition", but did agree on the inquisition.

I tried really, really hard to find a way to do "proposition", but Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton DISAGREED on the proposition. They couldn't get rid of Slavery (and when it was eliminated the proposition went with it).

If you have a nation of highly educated men of good will and at least nominally Christian, then such issues can be discussed and resolved. But I doubt 20% of Adults in the USA are CAPABLE of doing so.

Californication will be easier to stop once California is no longer one of the states.

Blogger Bill November 28, 2016 2:18 PM  

@14 Nate
I don't think skin color is going to be the primary issue in the US either. Tribe will be.

This. Skin color doesn't matter, look at the French vs German, British vs French, etc, etc. And as far as Africa... that's all that need be said. There are dozens of races, skin color is one small component. It's shared culture, period.

Blogger sysadmn November 28, 2016 2:19 PM  

Religious Identity?

I posit that the degree of religious identity correlates with the degree the religious is of the world. If your belief in the Orthodoxy is stronger than your need to be a part of the larger community, you reject the community when they clash; if the need for belonging is stronger, you "understand" your orthodoxy in a way that lets you fit in.

Amish? Mennonites? Pretty strong religious identity. Jewish, Catholic? Yes, among the ultra orthodox and/or fundamentalists, no among the secular Jews and Menu Catholics. Mormons? Somewhere in between.

Blogger JWM in SD November 28, 2016 2:19 PM  

Like I said before, CA needs to be broken up. Approving the state of Jefferson would be a good first step and it's pretty much ready to go.

Anonymous Another Rod November 28, 2016 2:23 PM  

How much do the Russians pay you guys? or are you simply automated "bots"? There is no other explanation for choosing to follow the dead-end path of fascism, anti-semtism and strongman authoritarianism. The party of Reagan will live on, if fewer in number, for freedom and liberty!!

Blogger pyrrhus November 28, 2016 2:24 PM  

Exactly so, VD....But it will take many people decades to understand Lee Kwan Yew's extremely obvious point. One example: one of my kids ran for student President at a graduate school which has an extremely high (dot) Indian enrollment, against an Indian. He lost narrowly, as he expected, because Indians block vote for each other. He wasn't at all upset by it, just observed that that's the way the world works...

OpenID paworldandtimes November 28, 2016 2:26 PM  

It's shared culture, period.

I wouldn't go as far as saying "period." Sure, people are fissile within their larger racial group but that points to concentric circles of identity more than it proves the existence of natural transracial trust.

PA

Blogger Orville November 28, 2016 2:27 PM  

@14 So everyone and Glenn who loves Cheetos will be one tribe, and Doritos lovers will be another tribe regardless of race or religion? I don't think so. Italians vs Greeks vs Anglos are not separate tribes in America anymore. I have all three in my immediate family and they all look white to me. White, Brown, Black are the most easily identifiable and identified with tribes in the US.

Blogger Boko Harambe November 28, 2016 2:29 PM  

@pyrhhus, interesting on the micro level. Acceptable outcome, undoubtedly, to anyone involved or observing, yet when whites do it...

Patience is the virtue to strive for, here, but also knowing when to strike. In my day to day I struggle with both, but I'm honing the senses.

Blogger pyrrhus November 28, 2016 2:29 PM  

@18 The problem with your "tribal" theory is that non-whites see all whites as the same, and even people with IQs in the 60s and 70s can observe skin color, while finer points will escape them. Politics were often based on region and religion back when the US was 90% white, but at this point that's suicide.

Blogger Student in Blue November 28, 2016 2:34 PM  

@21. Another Rod
How much do the Russians pay you guys? or are you simply automated "bots"?

No, and no. You're simply running into someone who has a genuinely different opinion that you can't quite understand.

There is no other explanation for choosing to follow the dead-end path of fascism, anti-semtism and strongman authoritarianism.

No one is advocating fascism and strongman authoritarianism. As for anti-semitism... well that gets shrieked about everytime someone thinks anything MILDLY critical about the Jews.

They aren't a perfect people you know. They make mistakes just like you and me. It's okay to discuss their accomplishments and their mistakes.

Anonymous BGKB November 28, 2016 2:34 PM  

Speaking of ID politics is there anything that can't be blamed on TRUMP? I hear TRUMP makes Saudi Arabia toss gays off of buildings instead of christening with champagne.
Trump Supporter Shouting ‘Straight White Men Rule’ Attacks Gay Couple…in Sydney, Australia
http://www.towleroad.com/2016/11/straight-white-men/

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 28, 2016 2:39 PM  

@21 SJWs always project. Paid Media Matters trolls are pushing the meme that we work for Russia.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 28, 2016 2:39 PM  

The thing about race (or tribe) and religion is that the ties tend to be stronger than people think when those ties aren't being tested.

There are many stories where a guy gets separated from his people, shipwrecked or lost in space or whatever, and has no way to get home. He is befriended by the local aliens, begins to find a place and a purpose with them, even finds love with a hot alien chick. Then one day he gets a chance to go home, and he gives it all up because, "I have to get back to my people."

When I was younger, I thought that was stupid. Why give up the good life? But as I get older and learn more about how humans work, I realize those stories were teaching a real truth. In a civilized society that's wealthy enough to ease frictions between people, they don't think tribe matters much; but let the frictions develop, and it suddenly will.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident November 28, 2016 2:40 PM  

@21 Hey, Rod,

How's that "party of Reagan" thing working out for you in California?

I'm sure any decade now all those Latinos will stop voting for La Rasa and start voting for "freedom and liberty!"

In the meantime though, the rest of us are just gonna believe our lyin' eyes, even if it does offend your sensibilities, 'k?

Anonymous VFM High Inquisitor November 28, 2016 2:42 PM  

Embrace the Inquisition. Burn the heretic. Deus vult!

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 2:42 PM  

I'm sure any decade now all those Latinos will stop voting for La Rasa and start voting for "freedom and liberty!"

They are natural conservatives. And even if the first three generations of immigrations don't assimilate, I understand that the fourth and fifth love baseball, apple pie, and reclaiming the land that was was formerly Mexican.

Anonymous Gen. Kong, FSB seecrit agent November 28, 2016 2:42 PM  

Another Rod wrote:How much do the Russians pay you guys? or are you simply automated "bots"? There is no other explanation for choosing to follow the dead-end path of fascism, anti-semtism and strongman authoritarianism. The party of Reagan will live on, if fewer in number, for freedom and liberty!!

Obviously considerably more than (((Soros))) and (((Llord Bankstein))) are paying the likes of you, cuckley.

Anonymous Deplorable bot November 28, 2016 2:42 PM  

@21 Another Rod
How much do the Russians pay you guys?

Less than Soros pays you.

or are you simply automated "bots"?

What, after all, difference does it make? I can pass the Turing test. Can you?

Blogger SouthRon November 28, 2016 2:44 PM  

Hey Rod. Pull that stick out of your ass, shove it through your heart and go hunt Ruskie elsewhere.

(Some trolls are too tasty.)

Blogger tz November 28, 2016 2:44 PM  

@20 - agreed!

I would also note that most churches don't invite people who reject the creed to stay. I have enough problems with protestantized Catholic churches (No statues, crucifix, "find the tabernacle") that still have only Catholics.

The key futility in the Proposition Nation is that your proposition isn't the only one, and it is the least aggressive. Militant socialism, multiculturalism, etc. are COMPETING propositions and they are here in the nation actively on a daily basis trying to drive yours out and they've been winning for decades.

Race? It is merely family or relatives writ large. There are/were many liberals, but across the USA, the white families instilled the virtues, values, and knowledge - many still do via homeschooling.

Correlation doesn't show causation, but we aren't doing science, we are battling for the survival of America.

Overlay Trump and race and you find a very high correlation. There are Cuckollege towns which might have gone Hillary, but they are stupid Millenials even if they are white.

While Israel is far away, what will happen when American Jews feel uncomfortable and use their dual-citizenship to move there and start insisting on Palestinian rights?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 28, 2016 2:47 PM  

MUH GALATIANS

Anonymous AT November 28, 2016 2:48 PM  

Race trumps religion. The Obama election was a big eye-opener for me in this area. Virtually every one of the 8-10 Black, Christian, home-schooling families we knew (kids and parents) were 100 percent for Obama. It was mindboggling to compare what Obama stood for with what these people claimed to stand for in their lives and churches. It was the final straw in understanding the degree to which dysfunction in Black communities is wholly self-inflicted.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 28, 2016 2:49 PM  

@30
The thing about race (or tribe) and religion is that the ties tend to be stronger than people think when those ties aren't being tested.

Prison shows this clearly. In a lot of prisons, skin = uniform. Because a man in prison needs people to back him up, and if he doesn't belong to a group of some sort he can get killed.

Prison is an extreme environment. As the economy continues to grind lower, more and more of the US and Europe will also become extreme environments.

Blogger Nate November 28, 2016 2:50 PM  

"They are natural conservatives. And even if the first three generations of immigrations don't assimilate, I understand that the fourth and fifth love baseball, apple pie, and reclaiming the land that was was formerly Mexican."

actually as we've seen a big chunk of the hispanics voted for Trump. Which is just further evidence that skin color is not going to be the uniform you think it is.

There is a micro and macro here. In the micro... a white guy rioting with BLM is going to get his ass beat. At best. No matter how many times he's called other white people RACIS on twitter.

The dividing lines are much more urban vs rural than racial. pick a random county on a US map and we can tell with about 90% certainty if it was red or blue.

Anonymous Daniel H November 28, 2016 2:57 PM  

>>The irony is that those who desperately want to cling to the idea of a proposition nation fail to grasp that the only possible alternative to a race-based nationalities in the West is Christian theocracy, complete with a Department of Inquisition.

Keen observation. I'm gonna save that quote and throw it at all the cucks who want to pollyanna their way through life. Those really are man's only two options.

Anonymous JI November 28, 2016 2:58 PM  

Galaxians are already in agreement with you, Vox. Galaxians are firmly committed to repelling the hoards of insect-like aliens that are seeking to invade the earth in ever-increasing numbers.

Blogger Matt Davis November 28, 2016 2:59 PM  

Vox,

You are right about race, but don't estimate the strength of religious identity. It's difficult to provide evidence with the amount of propaganda flowing between the US and Russia, but intuition tells me that Putin's greatest strength in the east is not the substantial Russian population that remains in the NATO buffer zone; it is the devotion of these populations toward the Orthodox Church, which will be entirely in Putin's control once he takes Belarus.

Blogger M Cephas November 28, 2016 3:01 PM  

Identity politics might only influence whites that deal with multiculturalism to a significant degree, first hand. If you see your towns getting less American, it makes sense.

That's why states like Maine, and New Hampshire, with a 93%+ white population still went slightly in favor of Clinton. And Vermont, a 96%+ white population went significantly in favor of Clinton.

Those white people don't seem as concerned with identity politics, so they vote ideology, which is left-wing in their case. It also shows whites don't always naturally vote Republican, circumstances matter.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 28, 2016 3:03 PM  

@41 Nate
actually as we've seen a big chunk of the hispanics voted for Trump.

33%, almost the same percentage as voted for Romney if I remember right. Maybe the right hand side of the IQ curve?

Which is just further evidence that skin color is not going to be the uniform you think it is.

Back in the 1960's before the .gov invented the word "Hispanic", most Mexicans and Puerto Ricans preferred to be considered as "white", because they damn sure weren't going to be associated with blacks. Now that "white" = "bad" they consider themselves to be "brown" because PoC = "good". If PoC becomes associated with "bad", expect a percentage of Hispanics to identify as 'white' . Maybe 33% for a start.

Blogger Basil Makedon November 28, 2016 3:06 PM  

Trump won slightly higher percentages of Blacks and Hispanics v. Romney's results.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 28, 2016 3:06 PM  

Nate:
actually as we've seen a big chunk of the hispanics voted for Trump. Which is just further evidence that skin color is not going to be the uniform you think it is.

A slightly larger percentile voted for Trump (who didn't even have a Spanish website) than for Mittens the Underwear Bankster (who pandered to La raza endlessly). Nothing out of the ordinary range in terms of the percentiles which normally go for the Pedobears. This normal percentile itself is massively skewed by the Cubans in FL who fled the newly canonized St. Fidel. Mexicans and Central Americans vote as La Raza instructs them to. "Big chunk" is a mischaracterization and a distortion. 2 of 3 voted just as they did in La Raza-land: socialist. As the Cuban percentile decreases, the "Hispanic" vote will go even more lopsided towards the Marxoids.

Blogger michaeloh59 November 28, 2016 3:14 PM  

"Translation: if only reality would accede to my fantasies, what a wonderful world this would be! This sort of conservative tends to remind me of the white liberals who californicated Colorado and are now californicating Texas."

May be of interest to you deplorables that our Governor, Abbot, is now calling for legislation to defund/sanctuary entities and says that he has already taken steps to do so through his offices. Further a state legislator has or will introduce legislation to repeal in-state tuition for illegals. Does it mean that Texas stays Red or Californicarion won't happen? Beats me, but what it does mean is that the Gov. perry's cuckservatism is over.

Anonymous BGKB November 28, 2016 3:15 PM  

Another Rod How much do the Russians pay you guys? We get paid in Russians on top of our beds instead of under.

This might be pushing it for related: Gay man out David Frenches David French, uses adopted niglet son as shield to get manager fired. . http://www.towleroad.com/2016/11/floor-decor/

Blogger Mighty Lou November 28, 2016 3:17 PM  

At that point where everyone was supposed to have gone color blind suddenly all anyone could see was white.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 28, 2016 3:17 PM  

@47
Trump won slightly higher percentages of Blacks and Hispanics v. Romney's results.

So?

Anonymous Taco Town November 28, 2016 3:18 PM  

I think western/American culture is a more effective political label(in a positive sense) at this point in time, but you have to realize that it more or less de facto means white.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 28, 2016 3:19 PM  

@2 Faceless
If you read RAAN - the Reformed African American Network, they are more than willing to throw out every single thing they learned from Calvin if it violates their racial identity. They certainly aren't going to cling to "Republicanism" if it means not being African American.

There's a lot of butthurt there in the aftermath the election, for sure.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 28, 2016 3:22 PM  

@53 Taco Town
I think western/American culture is a more effective political label(in a positive sense) at this point in time, but you have to realize that it more or less de facto means white.

What American culture is that? Is it the one where every single TV commercial and series has to have a black in it; where black-man-white-woman couples are pitched as normative, where Beyonce and Oprah are major leaders to women? American culture outside of some niches is heavily slanted to favor blacks at least in image terms, no matter what the cost.

Blogger Sheila4g November 28, 2016 3:24 PM  

Just got back from getting new toll tags for new vehicles. 100% of the "Texas" employees were either Negro or Mestizo; about 75% of those in line were Mestizo, and perhaps 10% White. The noise of discordant languages on cellphones, the stench, the trollish appearances - this is what the "it's culture" cucks just don't seem to experience, or even be aware of. What should have been a simple errand, not something pleasurable but neither something horrendous, was a test of my endurance for filth, noise, and disharmony. And I'm supposed to welcome these approximately 90% Mestizo MesoAmericans as the next inhabitants of Mayberry? I'm supposed to call them "fellow citizen" because a few voted for Trump? Aside from 100% alien genetics, what "culture" do I have in common with them? What behavioral patterns? What worldview?
Tell me again how Texas will secede because there are still enough Whites here and besides, "our" Hispanics are different from those in California. Tell me again how the Persian women in the grocery store are really White and therefore natural allies. Tell me again how the 75% mystery meat customers at the car dealer are here for freedom and the magic constitution. Tell me again why my Chinese/Indian/Pakistani neighborhood deserves to be called a "neighborhood," when the only couple I know and speak with is the childless White couple who live behind us.

Tell me that race really isn't that important, and that anyone can assimilate, and that culture is what matters. And then tell me why I should presume you're a reliable ally when the inevitable conflict occurs.

Anonymous johnc November 28, 2016 3:26 PM  

the only possible alternative to a race-based nationalities in the West is Christian theocracy, complete with a Department of Inquisition

More of this kind of talk.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 28, 2016 3:27 PM  

Notice how people who claim this is a Proposition Nation can never identify the proposition and its historical roots?

Anonymous Dan November 28, 2016 3:27 PM  

56. Sheila4g
The only solution to your desperate situation is to give yourself to the Christian God.

Anonymous Taco Town November 28, 2016 3:30 PM  

@55

By that I mean traditional or middle American culture.

I see it as a tactical choice. Things are getting better, but race is still a touchy subject that can scare off persuadable people in the center. I think promoting western culture accomplishes mostly the same thing with far less baggage. That being said. Being pro-western culture more or less amounts to being pro-white in the end. The left will point out as much, and we shouldn't be scared of that.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 28, 2016 3:32 PM  

"Christianity" was the vector for the colony collapse disorder of the West. To quote Galatians at this point is to double down on the lessons unlearned. If there was a functional extant Church then that book would be understood and believed instead of distorted and abused by the folks now most likely to quote it. The Bible to them is just a rhetorical tool to drive their selfish ideologies. That is the vector, a Judeo-Christian heresy.

The Church had no trouble discriminating enemies, invaders, and aliens. They understood we who their brothers and sisters were. That is so far past us now it seems fantastic.

Anonymous Taco Town November 28, 2016 3:33 PM  

@56

From what I've read, white people in Texas mostly vote as an overwhelming bloc and Latinos vote Republican in Texas at a higher rate than elsewhere.

Anonymous Silly but True November 28, 2016 3:34 PM  

2008 US Presidential Election: AA 95%, Hisp. 67%, Asian 62%, and other non-white minorities were 66%.

Why need any other indicator besides race? When race is factor, race votes along racial lines.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 28, 2016 3:34 PM  

Of course that Church is villified and hated as much as the Nazis.

Anonymous Taco Town November 28, 2016 3:34 PM  

Christianity lost its hegemony in the west thanks to the competing religion of Marxism.

Anonymous Dan November 28, 2016 3:36 PM  

61. Arthur Isaac
The world was much more simpler back then. The christian collective memory has been been corrupted by the Enlightenment. Sadly, we cannot make christianity that simple again.

Blogger tz November 28, 2016 3:38 PM  

@41 - Agreed, Hispanics are an unusual case as many have assimilated and can pass, mostly in rural areas and go to the same churches, do the same things, etc. That is true of the small number of Blacks and Asians (I keep thinking of that Japanese(?) violin prodigy in Branson, MO).

The cities have unassimilated whites along with the rest. I expect them to burn and the ashes will stay there for a year since they will still be "sanctuaries" (some cities will send private aid, but no Federal largess).

Inaugural day should be interesting.

On Vox's note about Galatians, I won't quote it except the three most important words, "IN CHRIST JESUS".

This only includes who accede to the creed.

It shouldn't be called proposition but creed anyway because it needs a voluntary but actionable oath of fealty. Most have enough trouble with the pledge to the flag.

In 1054, Christendom split across east and west, later the Reformation, and if "In Christ Jesus" still applied there even though it caused wars, and can we say "there is neither Catholic, Mormon, JW, Baptist, Presbyterian, nor Episcopalian"?

In a family, you can have black sheep, but they are still in the family.

But the quote from Lee Kwan Yew is right, but there is another level. Within a homogeneous culture, you vote your social or economic interests. Different races and religions have different cultures, so your the social and economic details will be reduced to someone of your race or religion.

Enough sperging, In sum:

To have America as a creed-nation, you merely have to convert 300 million of its citizens to the Christianity of the founders with the protestant ethics on work, thrift, etc. It is that simple, but not only won't it happen, but there is little effort if any toward that end.

White culture for the most part already embodies these things, often implicitly. Even liberals who make the mistake of thinking everyone embodies those things.

Refugees - Suprise, ingratitude, vandalism, violence, rape? Whocouldanode?

Blogger Cail Corishev November 28, 2016 3:38 PM  

The dividing lines are much more urban vs rural than racial.

While that's true (I said it up above too), within those groups race is still a big factor. I live in a 95% white rural county. If things get tense, will the 3.5% blacks here side with their white neighbors, or with the blacks 300 miles away in Chicago? They vote with the blacks in Chicago, for the most part, so I suspect they'll side with them in a conflict too.

It might be different in rural areas that are more mixed.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 28, 2016 3:40 PM  

The noise of discordant languages on cellphones, the stench, the trollish appearances - this is what the "it's culture" cucks just don't seem to experience, or even be aware of. What should have been a simple errand, not something pleasurable but neither something horrendous, was a test of my endurance for filth, noise, and disharmony.

A vivid description (along with the rest of the excellent comment) that make one want to reach for a flamethrower.

PA

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 28, 2016 3:43 PM  

@66 Sadly, we cannot make christianity that simple again.

Why not?

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 28, 2016 3:48 PM  

@Dan, simplification is coming. One way is this multinational cult that we are witnessing is coming to an end. The competing ideologies have been explored and been found lacking. The rejection is going to be violent. The division of labor is going to flatten and the living that remains is going to be much simpler.

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Anonymous Taco Town November 28, 2016 3:50 PM  

I think the west could return to Christianity, but it'll be slow. 100 years or more. We still have to deal with the present.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 28, 2016 3:51 PM  

Meanwhile, Erdogan is threatening again to turn loose about 2,800,000 that's right, 2.8 MILLION colonizers if the EU doesn't play nice with him. Syrians, Afghans, Iraqi's, who knows what else.

Serbia plans to build a fence on its border that will link with Croatia, Macedonia and Bulgaria thus sealing off Europe.

Also bonus, Trump says the trade deal with Cuba was a bad one and needs to be scrapped. He's not stuck on cuck.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 28, 2016 3:51 PM  

Also an allusion to Thessalonians (not Galatians), God promised to send great delusion to those that love not the truth. SJWs are a prophetic manifestation.

Anonymous Dan November 28, 2016 3:59 PM  

70. Noah B The MacroAggressor
What has happened to the collective unconscious could be interpreted as a form of evolution. The feminists, the sjw's, the nerd culture, these are now part of us. If we were to build a white christian nation somewhere else, it will only be a matter of time before you would see these elements resurge again, probably because we haven't confronted them . There are still a great number of white people that see the current status of the culture as normal. We need to understand as a collective that this church of materialism is not the way.
If you want a restart then we need to let go of every part of our identity, we need forget our culture, history everything that makes westerners. I cannot see that happening

Blogger tz November 28, 2016 4:04 PM  

@58 - I've identified it as best I could with "Men are fallen so cannot be trusted with power". The declaration, constitution, etc. are all just glosses downstream from the ideas of Natural law and the nature of man.

Pointing at the documents is silly - they have no power in themselves to preserve liberty even among those who claim to believe in them. They are irrelevant to those who don't care, or consider them "living documents", or expressly want something else besides a vapid and utterly different idea of "equality".

The 2nd Amendment means it is likely I can trust my neighbor's actions because we are both armed.

It doesn't always work at limiting government as the South found out, and a second lesson is to fight dirty - your enemy will. Sherman's march through Georgia and burning Atlanta as an example. The treaty of Versailles. Dresden and Hiroshima.

Blogger tz November 28, 2016 4:10 PM  

@68 - it depends. In one sense I can "side" with one side and not the other in a conflict far away, but it means no action on my part.

For example, I often don't side with the (urban) police whom seem to be merely another gang but with government approval. So when there is a shooting, I can pause and determine what actually happened (Trayvon was a thug, some others weren't, and an officer's paranoia is not justification for deadly force when the facts don't warrant it).

But I picked my location with that in mind. We have police that want to help, not write tickets or arrest. We have each other's back.

There may be blacks here that technically side with BLM in LA, but they aren't going to stage a march downtown here or even put up some sign or write the editor.

Anonymous Dave November 28, 2016 4:11 PM  

Just met with General Petraeus--was very impressed!

The God-Emperor 5 minutes ago on twitter via a large font size.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 28, 2016 4:13 PM  

"There are still a great number of white people that see the current status of the culture as normal."

Not for long, most likely.

"If you want a restart then we need to let go of every part of our identity, we need forget our culture, history everything that makes westerners."

I'd say it's just the opposite. We are reclaiming our historical identity and rejecting the trash culture that has been pushed largely by (((certain parties))).

Anonymous Dan November 28, 2016 4:21 PM  

80. Noah B The MacroAggressor
I'd say it's just the opposite. We are reclaiming our historical identity and rejecting the trash culture that has been pushed largely by (((certain parties))).

I haven't seen women protesting no fault divorce law, but I have seen them protest against Trump for not being cuck enough.
I see people going to see Hollywood movies , even tough they know it is all propaganda.
Men still prefer porn and strippers.
The church of Dawkins and Neil Dindu Tyson still make money. We still flood Africa with donations.

Blogger Nobody In Particular November 28, 2016 4:23 PM  

Besides the things mentioned above, there was (and still is) the nation-state. For example, the British nation-state worked quite well for at least 300 years. The American and French nation-states worked quite well for at more than 200 years.
In practice, neither of these nations was perfectly homogenous (ethnically, linguistically, or religiously) and being British, American, or French was often more of an ideal than a reality. Other nations, like e.g. Italy or Germany, are even more artificial creations, but managed for a long time to seem legitimate, provide some prosperity to their inhabitants, and were clearly useful for foreign policy purposes.
To this, one might respond that they didn't actually work that well (there were secessionist movements, disastrous wars, etc.) and that now it looks like they finally might fail.
However, nothing (in the material world) lasts forever and perfection is an impossible standard. Some of these countries were incredibly powerful and quite prosperous for a long time. That counts as a success in my book.
Furthermore, some of the suggested cures are worse than the disease. The perfect is the enemy of the good. There are much worse possible choices than the nation-state.
Nation-states have been around for so long that some people are forgetting the reasons why they were created. When they are gone, those reasons will immediately become obvious again.

Anonymous Deadlocked November 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

@66 - The world was much more simpler back then. The christian collective memory has been been corrupted by the Enlightenment. Sadly, we cannot make christianity that simple again.

How was the world simpler back then (other than less technology, and less connectedness that comes with tech)? More specifically, how as Christianity simple back then? (not disagreeing with you - I'm not sure what makes a religion simple or complex)

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 28, 2016 4:26 PM  

Breitbart sez Soros bankrolling Clinton recount efforts now where is my "surprised face" emoticon?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents November 28, 2016 4:36 PM  

Wikileaks releases more than half a million US diplomatic cables apparently all from 1979. An alleged press release from Julian Assange calls 1979 the "year zero" of the modern era.

Has anyone actually seen Assange in the last 30 days?

Blogger Robert What? November 28, 2016 4:39 PM  

There are non-cucked, nonwhite people who support the alt-right because they realize that a majority white nation is the best structure for a small number of nonwhites to live in and abide by its rules.

Anonymous kfg November 28, 2016 4:41 PM  

". . .Julian Assange calls 1979 the "year zero" of the modern era."

Things took a bit of a turn in '63 as well.

Anonymous Dan November 28, 2016 4:42 PM  

83. Deadlocked
Can you even imagine how many theologians has the two Great Churches produced in last 2 millenia. Do you believe those motherfuckers all agreed with each other.
The socialist can pick and choose which cristian current suits their agenda best and then spread it in the media.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 28, 2016 4:46 PM  

Paradigm @85: "Has anyone actually seen Assange in the last 30 days?"

Pamela Anderson allegedly did, about two weeks ago.

Unless she was actually there to repoison him....

Blogger Big Griz Reno November 28, 2016 4:58 PM  

I have immigrant friends. Most of them are Northern European WWII refuges. 60-70 ish. Some speak of fearing being melted into Americans when they were young. They did mostly assimilate but only subscribe to maybe 2/3 of what the propositional nation advocates push as AMERICAN.

I also know younger immigrants 30-50. Mostly Hispanics and Bangladeshis. The Mexicans can become Americans but it takes generations. The Bangladeshis are fervently remaining Bangladeshi and Moslem. I have listened to rants about how some things in America are "JUST WRONG! AMERICA FLOUTS GOD'S LAW!" These people will not become Americans.

Blogger Doom November 28, 2016 5:02 PM  

You know what is really funny? What the Republican party is becoming? Is what the Democrat party started out as. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Is that ironic? I am sure there is irony in there. Oh, and hahahahahahaha.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 28, 2016 5:06 PM  

Occam's Razor is being applied even if the cucks disagree.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 28, 2016 5:28 PM  

@81 Are we as a people defined by no fault divorce laws, Hollywood propaganda, porn, science fetishes, and enabling unsustainable population growth in the third world? I say that we're not. Strip it all away and burn it.

Blogger Cecil Henry November 28, 2016 5:29 PM  


What “nonracial” really means is that it is whites who are supposed to be indifferent to race, in order to help nonwhites advance their racial interests.

'Diversity' means Whites are soon going to have to take on spokesmen. Not spokesmen for protecting the border and a melting pot. Spokesmen for WHITES.

You don’t know anything about race until you’re the only White guy in the room.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 28, 2016 5:33 PM  

Nate wrote:actually as we've seen a big chunk of the hispanics voted for Trump. Which is just further evidence that skin color is not going to be the uniform you think it is.

25% including Cubans and European races is not that big a chunk. At best they vote at less than half the rate Whites do

And if you think skin color isn't your uniform, tell that to the Blacks ethnically cleansed in California

Simply, you aren't getting out of a some degree of race war even if you don't want it, reality has other plans. How bad it will be is another question. Good choices now means less bad outcomes later.

Anonymous LF November 28, 2016 5:34 PM  

"The irony is that those who desperately want to cling to the idea of a proposition nation fail to grasp that the only possible alternative to a race-based nationalities in the West is Christian theocracy, complete with a Department of Inquisition."
Perfectly fine with that. Who's with me?

Blogger stevev November 28, 2016 5:38 PM  

If it doesn't already exist, I nominate "Unstuck from the Cuck" as the next t-shirt slogan from Dark Lord Designs. I have no idea what ideogram
would accompany, but I'd love a chance to explain to whomever asks, what it means.

Blogger Knights of the West November 28, 2016 5:42 PM  

There are still a lot of people who haven't awoken to the race question yet (races aren't equal in mental capacity). We need to keep teaching them. If you want to make real life connections with a group of uncucked guys check out www.knightsofthewest.com

Anonymous VFM #7916 November 28, 2016 5:43 PM  

@94

No Spokesmen.

Every white man and woman a tiger, every white person fights, every white person breeds.

Anonymous Dan November 28, 2016 5:48 PM  

93. Noah B The MacroAggressor

To be a true christian practitioner is brutal, it requires you to stop feeding your dark nature, it requires constant self-sacrifice.
To ask the people of today to become true christians it's like asking a dindu to build a pyramid.

Anonymous Incurvatus November 28, 2016 6:03 PM  

It was very humorous listening to Dr. James White's "Dividing Line" show. He really couldn't get past talking about himself, how unraciss he was, how he never even notices other people skin color...while simultaneously talking about how multicultural his neighborhood is.
His Theonomy couldn't distinguish between Christ's Church (to whom Galatians is written) and the Left Hand Kingdom of Governments.

Anonymous Rip November 28, 2016 6:20 PM  

The thing about Singapore is that it is probably the most successful multicultural/racial nation today. But it's still 75% Han Chinese, and they pretty much run everything and rule with an iron fist. Here in the US we are at best 64% white and at worst 50%. So yeah, we're screwed.

Anonymous dr kill November 28, 2016 7:01 PM  

It's been a while since I read the Bible, but doesn't Galatians insist on segregation by foreskin? I think it's an idea worth considering.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 28, 2016 7:28 PM  

You don’t know anything about race until you’re the only White guy in the room.

My face when the Ethiopian guy leaving the meeting with me was muttering about the Goddamn fucking Hindus.

Anonymous BGKB November 28, 2016 8:12 PM  

You don’t know anything about race until you’re the only White guy in the room. My face when the Ethiopian guy leaving the meeting with me was muttering about the Goddamn fucking Hindus.

I have never said anything as bad about blacks as a gay Hispanic nurse did in the workplace.

Blogger lowell houser November 28, 2016 8:28 PM  

Expelling ALL non-christians? No need. Just Muslims, whatever their race, doesn't matter. Send them to the Middle East where they can have all the Sharia they want. And leave sunni and shia to kill eachother in peace.

Anonymous Grinder November 28, 2016 9:20 PM  

"They are natural conservatives. And even if the first three generations of immigrations don't assimilate, I understand that the fourth and fifth love baseball, apple pie, and reclaiming the land that was was formerly Mexican."

actually as we've seen a big chunk of the hispanics voted for Trump. Which is just further evidence that skin color is not going to be the uniform you think it is.

There is a micro and macro here. In the micro... a white guy rioting with BLM is going to get his ass beat. At best. No matter how many times he's called other white people RACIS on twitter.

The dividing lines are much more urban vs rural than racial. pick a random county on a US map and we can tell with about 90% certainty if it was red or blue.

You cannot take such a risk with this foolishness when history doesn't back up a post-racial functioning nation.It is RACE Nate. How many negroes are there in rural areas where they are the local majority? Do you think they are as good as a white rural community. Of course the cities are concentrated non-whiteness and Marxist insanity but race is paramount. Are rural locales in Nigeria or Ghana or Congo any better than their big cities? Just admit that you cannot accept the reality of white survival needing exclusively white nations. I get that you just couldn't part with your Monday Night Niggerball but you need to decide how you want your nation to look in 30, 50 and 100 years from now.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 28, 2016 9:28 PM  

There is a hierarchy of identity.
Each layer stands for some different kind of shared identity. Peel away the layers, and at the core is race.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 28, 2016 9:41 PM  

Grinder wrote:actually as we've seen a big chunk of the hispanics voted for Trump. Which is just further evidence that skin color is not going to be the uniform you think it is.


Wanna get your ass beat? Call a Cuban a Mexican. Or call a Mexican a Puerto Rican.

"Hispanic" is an artificial ethnic category created by Liberals to find another group they could dole out bennies to. It does not exist in practice and will mean nothing in the coming dissolution.

Anonymous Avalanche November 28, 2016 9:45 PM  

@39 "Virtually every one of the 8-10 Black, Christian, home-schooling families we knew (kids and parents) were 100 percent for Obama. It was mind-boggling to compare what Obama stood for with what these people claimed to stand for in their lives and churches. It was the final straw in understanding the degree to which dysfunction in Black communities is wholly self-inflicted."

This! Oh, so this! People don't get that the immigrants who come here from corrupt cultures do not suddenly STOP being -- or accepting -- corruption as a way of life (hence all the voters for Death Grandma). (No Magic Dirt; no Magic Religion!)

'Laying' an apparent belief in Christianity on top of NON-Europeans (including "American" blacks)does not make them at all capable of fitting into a White Euro-derived (Christian) nation!

Vote your race! It will always come to that! (Thus, I work on my neighbors and friends -- my "tribe" -- to awaken them to the correctness of racism. The worse things get, the clearer they see!)

Anonymous Avalanche November 28, 2016 9:50 PM  

@41 "actually as we've seen a big chunk of the hispanics voted for Trump. Which is just further evidence that skin color is not going to be the uniform you think it is."

So, you think the hispanics who voted from Trump did so because they want freedom and a return to a constitutional republic form of govt? So, the Magic Dirt actually DID convert them into White folks -- jes' like the founders of this country?!

Or is it more likely they see their own family's "sucking at the govt teat" being interfered with by all the illegal "same-uniform wearers" -- and want to stop their OWN dispossession from the White gibs? Their own wages being force lower by competition from illegal versions of themselves?

Anonymous Eric the Red November 28, 2016 9:50 PM  

You will never be Chinese!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_L71lFItk

Two white guys marry Chinese girls and move to China, then discover too late about their identity.

Gee, too bad China is not a proposition nation.

Anonymous Avalanche November 28, 2016 10:05 PM  

@94 "You don’t know anything about race until you’re the only White guy in the room."

Only if you're slow on the uptake!

Anonymous Avalanche November 28, 2016 10:07 PM  

@97 "If it doesn't already exist, I nominate "Unstuck from the Cuck" as the next t-shirt slogan from Dark Lord Designs. I have no idea what ideogram would accompany, but I'd love a chance to explain to whomever asks, what it means."

Is this a call for a meme contest? Cool.

Anonymous Another Cuck November 28, 2016 11:27 PM  

But... but... Russians and bots, and no possible honest explanation for disagreeing with me, fascists! And racists, sexists and homophobes (oh my)! And also party of Reagan, shining city on a hill for freedom and liberty and equality and fraternity or something.

Oh, and Vox... GALATIANS 3:28! Take that!

Anonymous Jack Amok November 28, 2016 11:56 PM  

How much do the Russians pay you guys? or are you simply automated "bots"?

I always pass the "I'm not a robot" test, so I'm pretty sure I'm not a bot, but the getting paid by Russians bit...

Do Belurussian women count? I do get paid by them.

Blogger Geoarrge November 29, 2016 12:26 AM  

The problem is that while ethnicity is 'just' a proxy for socio-philosophical identity, it is not lazy. Cultural behavior may be transmitted socially rather than genetically, but it still gets passed mainly through family. Any aberrations in that process tend to get smoothed out in the long term by the feedback loop created by tribal affinity. So there will remain a high correlation between certain behaviors and certain genetic markers despite not being directly causally linked. And high correlations are always heuristically useful.

Anonymous r November 29, 2016 12:34 AM  

I have yet to see a single person who cringes at the thought of nationalism and professes to be concerned about black and brown Christians endorse the concept of expelling every individual who does not share a Christian identity.

I hereby endorse the concept of expelling every individual who does not share a Christian identity.

I don't cringe at the thought of nationalism, and I don't profess to be concerned about black and brown Christians (they can have their own black and brown Christian nations), though.

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent November 29, 2016 1:01 AM  

When people like this say worldview they mean that being a Muslim, a Christian and a Hindu (or Asian, Westerner and Black) is not as important as sharing the same outlook on life (usually professional, most likely academic). It's not religion or race that unites people; it's worldview.

That probably seems more or less true in public (in the US). In private? Not so much. Which is why it's important to know that the nice Indian-American guy in the office next door is fun at lunch but goes home and ritually purifies himself for being in proximity with a non-Brahman (that's you, by the way).

If the US goes to war with India, he won't be shooting at other Brahmans. He'll be shooting at you.

To put it another way: if you speak Chinese, live in China, work for a Chinese company, are as culturally as Chinese as you can be, but are a white guy born and raised in the UK, will you ever be Chinese? Ask a Chinese person if you answered yes. They will answer no after they stop laughing.

Blogger The Kurgan November 29, 2016 3:03 AM  

The only possible alternative to a race-based nationalities in the West is Christian theocracy, complete with a Department of Inquisition.

So we agree on this. I also think this would be preferable. Though, off course less likely to ever become a thing.

Blogger wreckage November 29, 2016 3:28 AM  

@116, I get paid in Belurussian women. I have a delivery of three due late next week.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 29, 2016 7:59 AM  

I believe religious identity is generally stronger, but American religion has been exsanguinated by creature comforts.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 29, 2016 8:03 AM  

Another Rod wrote:How much do the Russians pay you guys?

Bro you need to read about a thousand books, starting with John Taylor Gatto and ending with the Bible.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel November 29, 2016 10:46 AM  

Tbh you could throw me in the Christian identity inquisition camp, but I see no hope of that ever returning, so I'll take the more viable option of ethno-nationalism.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel November 29, 2016 10:47 AM  

Also, with the conversion rate, working for Putin doesn't pay well. I'm making rubles like mad but can't fill up my car.

OpenID dreadilkzee November 29, 2016 11:50 AM  

To an extent I agree, worldview is more accurate, but frankly the lazy part is that most people only look at "uniform" and your skin is your uniform once identity politics is the main political weapon. Interestingly enough this doesn't mean that people with "black" or "red" skin cannot be on the white side. After all look at black culture's term "Uncle Tom".

Unfortunately the black man who identifies with Western Culture (IE: white) is at a disadvantage given his uniform. He will have to be upfront with the side he chooses as he will be mistaken for being part of "black" (Hoodlum or Thug) culture.

Also I would probably go so far as saying "Western Culture" is a dialectic moniker where as "white culture" is more rhetorical especially when people today have a very screwed understanding of what exactly is "Western Culture"

Anonymous Jack Amok November 29, 2016 12:13 PM  

I get paid in Belurussian women. I have a delivery of three due late next week.

I hope for your sake you've been hitting the weights hard.

Blogger Unknown November 29, 2016 2:07 PM  

Culture is produced by an interplay of biology and environment (which itself loops around biology, example, upbringing is determined by parents which are determined by biology). This is obvious. Just think, a tribe that is disproportionaly nearsighted is not going to develop culturaly the same way that a tribe that isn't because the very sense perceptions of its members are different, and the effect of minor differences build up over time. Another obvious example: male culture (worldview) is different to female culture (worldview) even within the same ethnic group. Fuck, look at how many wives are pissed off that their husband voted for Trump! Ideology/worldview is an aspect of culture. Within every group there is a dominant pattern and outliers. Take the black kid that gets picked on for "acting white" (meaning: "being civilized"). In terms of core psychological "identity/race" he may be closer to the pattern in other ethnic groups than in his own. That doesn't change the pattern and its importance, or the fact that skin tone is a good proxy for identifying certain sets of psychological patterns. In war, sometimes it is more important to achieve victory than to avoid collateral casualties and we may currently be at the point of needing to firebomb Tokyo. It seems very likely to me that the very existence of racial differences comes from these outliers getting driven out of the tribe (or running away from it) for not conforming to the pattern.

Also, all states are theocracies. Every, single, one. And it seems to me that the very existence of races, or rather, psychological racial patterns, is produced by state enforcement of a coherent system of beliefs. I long ceased to be a critic of Islam for its "radical fundamentalism" and adopted the more sensible position of being a critic of Islam for its worship of a squizofrenic pedophile. The question we really have to ask ourselves is what the heck went wrong with european civilizations, especially over the last hundred or so years. There is no point restoring countries to more traditional demographics if we don't have a clear understanding of how not to devolve again. South Africa had a very "alt-right" ideological position and then turned into the rainbow nation followed by the nation lead by a guy who thinks showering after sex is good HIV prevention.

Anonymous buybuydandavis November 30, 2016 2:01 AM  

"the only possible alternative"
How do you claim to know that?

It's just silly. Only two possibilities in the world, and you have identified both.

Extra silly, since a theocracy is nothing but a proposition nation, which you deny the possibility of.

Blogger tz November 30, 2016 4:56 PM  

4GW is the extension of identity politics by other means.

Blogger André Sanchez December 01, 2016 4:36 AM  

I just feel a need to point out that, if you embrace the notion of America as a proposition nation, that means about half the country (if not more) would need to be deported, or at least get their citizenship/voting rights revoked. Regardless of what the proposition happens to be. Not saying that is a minus, just stating a fact.

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