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Tuesday, November 22, 2016

Media discipline

Andrew Torba of Gab has it.
CNN reached out and was incredibly rude and unprofessional.

We simply let them know that it is our policy to record all phone interviews.

They then backed out and claimed they had to speak with the editor about it, skipped a 2nd call to discuss, and acted very unprofessionally.
As does Tila Tequila :
Msm keeps on contacting me for interviews about my Roman salute. I should tell them all to suck my nuts, faggots!
They are not your friend. They do not want to let you tell their story. They want you to play the part of the sacrificial victim of their pre-established narrative.

Figure out a policy that works for you. Then stick with it. Mine is straightforward enough:

  1. I only do TV/video with Stefan Molyneux. Otherwise, no TV/video.
  2. I only do radio shows with friendly hosts. As a general rule, no podcasts except as the occasional favor to someone on our side.
  3. Written interviews only. No telephone calls or in-person interviews.
Yes, I've done other things in the past. I learned what worked and what didn't work. That's how I developed this policy. The best way to reach people is to build your own platform, slowly and steadily. Then help others build theirs.

UPDATE: From Twitter: We now have the endgame of that media manipulation @Cernovich was mentioning. Thanks Spencer
President-elect Donald Trump disavowed an alt-right conference in Washington, D.C. over the weekend led by Richard Spencer that celebrated the election of Donald Trump.
Asked directly about the event that was widely covered by the mainstream media, Trump replied, “I condemn them. I disavow, and I condemn.”

Trump denied that he had energized the alt-right, but again disavowed the movement.

“I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said. “It’s not a group I want to energize. And if they are energized I want to look into it and find out why.”
Optics matter. As I said, Richard is on a path to become the next David Duke, trotted out every time the media wants to discredit a Republican.

It makes no difference at all in the grand scheme of things, of course. The reason the Alt-Right is on the rise is not due to approval by maverick politicians, or because corrupt establishment figures denounce it, but as a result of the historical trends identified by Structural Demographic Theory, which is to say, elite overproduction, popular immiseration, immigration, and the fiscal crisis of the state. Both the God-Emperor's ascendancy and the Alt-Right are what appear to be inevitable consequences of these things; his approval or disapproval of us is as irrelevant as our approval or disapproval of him.

UPDATE: In fairness to Richard, he's already claimed a Politico scalp:
National editor at Politico Michael Hirsh resigned after publishing the home addresses of alt-right figurehead Richard Spencer Tuesday morning and advocating for serious violence.
Hey, maybe we should adopt a new slogan. How about... Democrats are the REAL Nazis. That should totally work. 

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172 Comments:

Blogger l' Américain November 22, 2016 4:04 PM  

CAlling all cars: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/22/donald-trump-disavow-alt-right-groups/

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 4:07 PM  

Figure out a policy that works for you. Then stick with it.

Know your limitations. Every time a new gun law is proposed in the US some journo-list tracks down a gun store owner, or some
guys at a range, and asks them "What's your side of the story?". Some well intentioned midwit then talks on and on, gives the journo-lists all the sound bites or quotes they need to fold and bend into the predetermined story they will tell. It happens over and over, every time someone learns the hard way "Journo-lists may be friendly but they are not your friends".

Most of us aren't very good at dealing with liars like that.
Know your limitations. "No interviews" is the easiest policy to keep. The worst that can be said is "We reached out to them and they had no comment", which does no damage.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric November 22, 2016 4:07 PM  

@1 OH NOEZ! Broken promises! Unforced error! He's a stalking horse!

Please.

Anonymous Heywood November 22, 2016 4:08 PM  

No surprise. You have to be pretty darn retarded to imagine Trump or anybody else who runs anything above a basement meme factory is going to back a bunch of sieg heilers posing in front of MSM cameras.

Anonymous Bio Cult Beam Delta November 22, 2016 4:10 PM  

This was one of the few good rules that the Wachowski "sisters" had. Too bad they've never made a good movie since "The Matrix."

Blogger l' Américain November 22, 2016 4:11 PM  

@3

Fair weather patriots.

I hate breitbart people. Cucks the lot.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 22, 2016 4:14 PM  

@1 The zinger: And if they are energized I want to look into it and find out why.

Everything is falling into place.

Anonymous Damn Crackers November 22, 2016 4:18 PM  

Blame fat women on Trump. Obesity skyrockets after election:

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/11/election_food_emo_eating_stres.html#incart_river_home

Anonymous edub1321 November 22, 2016 4:21 PM  

VD, your appearance on The Daily Shoah was really good. I hope they have you on again sometime.

Blogger Orville November 22, 2016 4:21 PM  

Trump is viral and deadly to any host he decides to invade whether MSM or GOP. "They" think they are getting in with Ryan and Romney, but those two will either be Trump pozzed or politically dead in two years.

Blogger Orville November 22, 2016 4:22 PM  

Trump is patient zero!

Blogger l' Américain November 22, 2016 4:27 PM  

@7

lelz, I caught that, too.

Honestly though, I thought the breitbart people would be more immune to this stuff after that election.

Blogger Dexter November 22, 2016 4:43 PM  

Which of the three policies covers your interviews with that skanky old Hillary shill Louise Mensch?

Anonymous KPP November 22, 2016 4:45 PM  

Everyone has their own impression about what Trump should be and what Trump will do.

The vast majority of them are wrong. Trump will do what Trump wants to do.

No one will be perfectly happy with the man, but if he does a quarter of the things I expect him to, we'll be far ahead of the game.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 22, 2016 4:46 PM  

@14 If personnel is policy, then I'm guessing you'll get more than a quarter.

Anonymous John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project November 22, 2016 4:54 PM  

"Jessica successfully transmuted the poisonous Twitter of Life and became a Reverend Mother.

"Her daughter Tilia was born premature, possessing all the knowledge and powers of an Alte Westerit Reverend Mother."

"The Gabber must awake . . ."

Blogger Fifty Seven November 22, 2016 4:55 PM  

"Hi! We'd like to ask you a bunch of questions, record your answers, edit that recording and broadcast it to millions of people."

"Okay, but I'm going to record it, too."

"...Never mind."

Blogger Student in Blue November 22, 2016 5:01 PM  

@13 Dexter
Which of the three policies covers your interviews with that skanky old Hillary shill Louise Mensch?

...the third one. It's kind of obvious.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 22, 2016 5:05 PM  

Msm keeps on contacting me for interviews about my Roman salute. https://i.sli.mg/lVH67w.png

The "Roman salute" is a Hollywood myth. The Romans never used it. She is performing the American Salute, the one the Nazis copied. This is the original salute for the Pledge of Allegiance. To do it properly, put your right hand over your heart, then raise it to the 'Nazi' position when saying the word "allegiance". Historical fact, with photos-

https://pledge-allegiance.blogspot.com/2013/02/rex-curry-in-new-book-exposing-pledge.html

Anyone who objects to that is simply un-American.

Blogger Nate November 22, 2016 5:05 PM  

the response to Andrew is particularly telling. Its interesting... since both parties know the conversation is being recorded... I doubt it should matter if its being recorded twice.

Blogger l' Américain November 22, 2016 5:06 PM  

@19

Truth.

Blogger Nate November 22, 2016 5:10 PM  

"Anyone who objects to that is simply un-American."

The Pledge itself is un-American. And... it wasn't even written by an American. It was written by a damn commie limey bastard.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 5:13 PM  

@13
Which of the three policies covers your interviews with that skanky old Hillary shill Louise Mensch?

Ok, maybe there's another policy: "for lulz".

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 5:17 PM  

@20 Nate
the response to Andrew is particularly telling. Its interesting... since both parties know the conversation is being recorded... I doubt it should matter if its being recorded twice.

Back in the 90's they would have gone ahead with their plan, because when only the swamp media had communications channels to the rest of us it didn't matter. Now that Breitbart and other comm channels exist independent of the swamp, there's plenty of ways for an unedited interview with transcript to pop up in the public view mere minutes after the edited version is broadcast.

They don't like being called liars. So clearly we should double down on that.

Blogger Richard Stone November 22, 2016 5:21 PM  

@4 The retarded Heil Trump basically forced his hand. Of course he had to disavow after the media hoopla.

Some idiots still don't realize Trump isn't alt-right.

Anonymous Tipsy November 22, 2016 5:22 PM  

Rule 4: If, for what ever reason, you do an interview with the MSM, be sure to record it on your own in its entirety.

Anonymous BGKB November 22, 2016 5:22 PM  

Msm keeps on contacting me for interviews about my Roman salute. I should tell them all to suck my nuts, faggots!

Watch out they might do it.

Blame fat women on Trump. Obesity skyrockets after election: Blame fat women on Trump. Obesity skyrockets after election:

Even G.RapeRapeM. level all you can eat buffet stuffing couldn't make a normal person obese in 13 days.

Blogger DisplayName November 22, 2016 5:31 PM  

CNN was rude and unprofessional? That's like saying feminists are ugly and yuge. We know.. We know.

Blogger Student in Blue November 22, 2016 5:31 PM  

@Tipsy
Rule 4: If, for what ever reason, you do an interview with the MSM, be sure to record it on your own in its entirety.

No. Don't. Bad kitty.

They get the first word and that's almost everything unless you have a very sizable following yourself.

Blogger Lazarus November 22, 2016 5:32 PM  

Forrest Bishop wrote:The "Roman salute" is a Hollywood myth. The Romans never used it. She is performing the American Salute, the one the Nazis copied. This is the original salute for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Thank you for your truthful dialectical explanation.

Nazi.

Anonymous Scintan November 22, 2016 5:36 PM  

Richard Stone wrote:@4 The retarded Heil Trump basically forced his hand. Of course he had to disavow after the media hoopla.

Some idiots still don't realize Trump isn't alt-right.


"Alt-right" is already being placed under the banner of "alt-white" in the media, with politicians, and the public, which means it's going to be disregarded. The name is probably a lost cause.

This is "moderates" all over again. Those among the alt-right will likely start searching for their "cuck" follow up soon enough, if they're not already doing so. .

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 5:36 PM  

Trump disavows the alt-Right? Excellent. Now alt-right are the terrible, awful, horrible radicals and Trump is the reasonable, Presidential fellow by comparison. Be nice to him or deal with alt-right.

Bad cop. Good cop.

Overton window shove.

Bad cop. Good cop.

Overton window shove.

And he's not even in office yet!

Trump 2016 for the LOLZ!

Anonymous Tipsy November 22, 2016 5:37 PM  

@29 True, in general, but a few select people can manage the drive-bys, like Milo. He just records everything and is willing to weaponize anything.

Blogger Rud November 22, 2016 5:38 PM  

Okay, so Gab is a great replacement for Twitter. I don't use Facebook, but am wondering if there is anything in the works as a replacement for it. I've not heard anything, but we absolutely need social media that is not hostile to us.

Blogger Student in Blue November 22, 2016 5:39 PM  

@33. Tipsy

Yes, hence there's no need to create a rule for the very rare exceptions. They're the exceptions for a reason.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 22, 2016 5:42 PM  

Nate wrote:"Anyone who objects to that is simply un-American."

The Pledge itself is un-American. And... it wasn't even written by an American. It was written by a damn commie limey bastard.


Exactically. By alien commies, for commies. http://rexcurry.net

Anonymous Rather, Not November 22, 2016 5:48 PM  

Andrew Torba should offer to conduct the entire interview on Gab. Get CNN to have an official sign up, ask their questions via Gab platform. He'll answer via Gab. Why does CNN hate sunlight?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 22, 2016 5:50 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Thank you for your truthful dialectical explanation.

Nazi.


You're very welcome.

Moran.

Blogger Student in Blue November 22, 2016 5:52 PM  

@38. Forrest Bishop

You missed his point.

Blogger Crude November 22, 2016 5:53 PM  

Speaking of discipline, it looks like one thing Spencer unwittingly managed to do is get the left to score an own-goal: <a href="http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/22/national-politico-editor-publishes-home-addresses-of-alt-right-icon-richard-spencer-advocates-for-baseball-bats/>Politico editor resigns after revealing Spencer's home addresses, advocates showing up with baseball bats.</a>

Blogger Eric Mueller November 22, 2016 5:54 PM  

Considering how we have an almost completely established "alt media" now, I don't see why anybody should go on the "mainstream" media. All you are is fodder for anybody stupid enough to watch them. I doubt that's the audience any of us would want anyway. You can't convince them of anything.

Anonymous Icicle November 22, 2016 5:56 PM  

Tila Tequila. Truly a national treasure. I'll drink to that.

Donald Trump: Fabulous energy shown! She is now in consideration as my ambassador to Vietnam. We need fresh viewpoints with the rise of China.

Blogger Dexter November 22, 2016 5:59 PM  

"...the third one. It's kind of obvious"

Nope. They are transcripts of conversations. Annoying bitch keeps interrupting him, too.

Anonymous CNN Reporter November 22, 2016 6:02 PM  

It makes no difference at all in the grand scheme of things, of course. The reason the Alt-Right is on the rise is not due to approval by maverick politicians, but the historical trends identified by Structural Demographic Theory, which is to say, elite overproduction, popular immiseration, immigration, and the fiscal crisis of the state.

Those are some mighty big words there. Could you repeat the "structural demographic theory" thing? I want to help you get your story out.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir November 22, 2016 6:06 PM  

Spencer is fearless. He doesn't give a shit whether his weltanschauung is considered acceptable or not. He's the kind of warrior we need to fight this enemy.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 22, 2016 6:12 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:@38. Forrest Bishop

You missed his point.


Maybe so. It looked like libel so I did some stomping just for practice. Probably it was intended as humor.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 22, 2016 6:13 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:They get the first word and that's almost everything unless you have a very sizable following yourself.
Why do they get to go first?
As soon as the interview is over, release the recording and a transcript. Days before the reporter gets around to it.
Stick a big lurid headline on it.

"CNN reporter outright lies about me, ... and you. Steven Joanne Wallace of CNN conducted an interview with me today and is preparing to release a highly-edited, fake account of what I said."

Blogger William Meisheid November 22, 2016 6:18 PM  

Here is why it was thought to be a Roman solute.
https://www.historyanswers.co.uk/people-politics/where-did-the-nazi-salute-come-from/

Anonymous Icicle November 22, 2016 6:19 PM  

Spencer is fearless.

Kind of like the troops running straight towards the machine guns in WW1.

Might be time to update the tactics a bit for the new media world.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 6:20 PM  

@46 Forrest
It looked like libel so I did some stomping just for practice

Only thing you stomped was your own foot, dude.

Blogger Bard November 22, 2016 6:21 PM  

Luke 1:28 Hail Mary
Damn Nazis

Blogger JACIII November 22, 2016 6:22 PM  

Spencer isn't even good cannon fodder. When he implodes he soils everyone on his side with retard. From the God-Emperor on down.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 22, 2016 6:42 PM  

The thing about the modern reporter that needs to be remembered is that they do not drive the story.

The Narrative does and that gets decided by the editor. Lou Grant does not go to his reporters and roar, "what have you got for me? I need stories to publish!"

He goes to them and tells them what the story is going to be. There are still a few papers out there that are old school but none of them will be talking to us.

Blogger VD November 22, 2016 6:42 PM  

As soon as the interview is over, release the recording and a transcript. Days before the reporter gets around to it.

No, you moron. You don't do the interview in the first place. All you guys trying to cleverly figure out how to cleverly demonstrate your clever cleverness are accomplishing is to demonstrate your complete ignorance.

Do. Not. Talk. To. Them.

I am FAR better at this sort of thing than almost any of you. I am CONSIDERABLY more intelligent than most of you. And I am telling you, on the basis of my own failures, DO NOT DO IT.

Blogger VD November 22, 2016 6:44 PM  

He goes to them and tells them what the story is going to be. There are still a few papers out there that are old school but none of them will be talking to us.

Exactly. You're not up against a single reporter. You're up against the entire system. Only a very rare talent can do it, and even then, they're going to fail from time to time, as we've seen with Trump.

Blogger Mighty Lou November 22, 2016 6:52 PM  

It's hard to put my finger in it, but I'll try. The MSM is in panic mode. They know they are no longer relavent. So, what I think we are observing is an interesting phenomenon where the MSM news makes themselves a part of the news. It's kind of working because Drudge, Breitbart and Infowars have been reporting on MSM news personalities for the past two weeks. Is this their strategy to lure us back in?

Blogger delatour November 22, 2016 6:56 PM  

''National editor at Politico Michael Hirsh resigned after publishing the home addresses of alt-right figurehead Richard Spencer Tuesday morning and advocating for serious violence.''


This is going to embolden Richard. He will not learn the lesson and it will make things worse.

Blogger Lazarus November 22, 2016 6:56 PM  

Forrest Bishop wrote:Maybe so. It looked like libel so I did some stomping just for practice. Probably it was intended as humor.

I take no offense, but it was intended as a lesson. For instance, the Swastika has been a time honored religious symbol for millenia, and it only took the nazis 10 years of appropriation to result in it being banned in many parts of the world.

Dialectically, the Swastika is innocent. Rhetorically, it is guilty.

Blogger Lovekraft November 22, 2016 6:58 PM  

Marxists turn everything upside down, so them trying to label anything will be met with the same skepticism and derision.

eg. "We can solve this economic crisis by printing more money."

Blogger VD November 22, 2016 7:06 PM  

This is going to embolden Richard. He will not learn the lesson and it will make things worse.

I doubt it. The disavowal by Trump is the much bigger deal. If he has any sense at all, he'll reverse course.

The stupid thing is, there is real talent and knowledge in the Alt-Lite. Instead of LISTENING to people who know what they're talking about, the Alt-White would rather blunder around making unforced errors.

On the plus side, they have exhibited some capacity for learning in the recent past; we would not have reached an entente with them if they couldn't. Here is hoping they'll settle down and realize it is a long game and there are no shortcuts.

Blogger Bard November 22, 2016 7:09 PM  

Hail Democrats?

OpenID enriquereal November 22, 2016 7:10 PM  

Which episode was Vox on, of the Daily Shoah? I like the show, but that guy, Mike I think (?) says "like" way too much. He sounds like a teenager.

Blogger Ezekiel November 22, 2016 7:15 PM  

Rud wrote:Okay, so Gab is a great replacement for Twitter. I don't use Facebook, but am wondering if there is anything in the works as a replacement for it. I've not heard anything, but we absolutely need social media that is not hostile to us.
VK seems to work well enough for the time being.

Blogger JACIII November 22, 2016 7:29 PM  

Mighty Lou wrote:It's hard to put my finger in it, but I'll try. The MSM is in panic mode. They know they are no longer relavent. So, what I think we are observing is an interesting phenomenon where the MSM news makes themselves a part of the news. It's kind of working because Drudge, Breitbart and Infowars have been reporting on MSM news personalities for the past two weeks. Is this their strategy to lure us back in?

It is their strategy to attach evil to their opponents. They have been yelling "raciss" for 18 months about Trump with no evidence. This damages their credibility AND convinces normies Trump is a victim of a smear campaign.

Let one dumbass go to DC all official like and hold a conference where the attendees throw up a nazi salute ON CAMERA and the normies snap right back into believing anything the MSM wants to smear people with.

Anonymous Charlie November 22, 2016 7:32 PM  

Cancel your Netflix. If asked why say you don't want to continue to fund Pedowood.

You'll see the rats outed quick if enough cancellations come through fast enough. Or we'll see the fortifications tighten ever more clearly.

Netflix is very vulnerable.

Blogger Jamie-R November 22, 2016 7:40 PM  

They're doubling down on Twitter. I've seen increasingly nasty (but look at me I'm being funny) attacks on the Alt-Right. They want to poison it pop-culturally so no one will identify with it. Time for another video. I'm posting one up soon. The left must be corralled and attacked in the entertainment/media sphere, that's where they are doing their work.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 22, 2016 7:40 PM  

So Michael Hirsh at Politico doxxed Spencer and suggested that they take baseball bats to the address he published.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3962682/politico-editor-resigns-calling-baseball-bat-attacks-white-nationalist-leader-posting-home-address-Facebook.html

Blogger Bard November 22, 2016 7:41 PM  

Vox,
What should Spencer do to turn this (if anything), other than never apologize?

Anonymous JAMES November 22, 2016 7:56 PM  

Checking the chatter it looks like some 1488 types have actually realised that Richard's little prank was counter-productive.

But most are still living in a fantasy world. I swear some of them are going to turn around and get angry at Trump for denouncing them.

The purity spiral continues. At this rate of descent these naive kids are going to look like the Algerian GIA before they're done.

Blogger Pseudotsuga November 22, 2016 8:05 PM  

One of my on-line aquaintances has been rage-posting articles and expressing his disgust that Trump won't disavow these "alt-right" leaders.
I asked him why Trump should care what he thinks.

Blogger DouglasEdward November 22, 2016 8:07 PM  

It's unbelievable that Spencer could commit such unforced errors while being surrounded by much more media savvy figures in the Alt-Right. Brimelow and Taylor would have never lobbed up such a softball, in fact earlier in the conference Brimelow denounced Anglin as a purity-spiralling neo-nazi.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 22, 2016 8:08 PM  

Wonder when 0bama is going to disavow Black Panthers in front of polling stations. That is one thing the man has a gold standard in.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 22, 2016 8:09 PM  

Or any of the multitude of riots going around in this country.

Blogger Sevron November 22, 2016 8:10 PM  

There's a difference between denunciating/cucking and criticizing. This was dumb and unnecessary. It does not advance the cause.

Anonymous Ironsides November 22, 2016 8:10 PM  

Pseudotsuga wrote:One of my on-line aquaintances has been rage-posting articles and expressing his disgust that Trump won't disavow these "alt-right" leaders.

I asked him why Trump should care what he thinks.


I thought Trump did disavow the Alt-Right as a whole today.

Anonymous Moonbear November 22, 2016 8:12 PM  

Turns out the so called "Roman saluters" were (((infiltrators))).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc6fxLRUuZI

Anonymous JAMES November 22, 2016 8:15 PM  

The only TRS podcast to address this issue so far is GMWA.

They had some idiot on who went on a rant about Mike being a sinister Jew trying to hijack the Alt-Right.

Spencer put a lot of effort into making NPI into a respectable looking outfit to help sneak Alt-Right ideas into the mainstream.

And then he pulls crap like this.

And the idiots applaud.

I hope he realises he's just made himself into the yardstick of acceptability. His entire strategy up till this point seemed to be skillfully avoiding that outcome through careful choice of imagery.

Publicity from mainstream midwits who scammed or slept their way into a reporting job is not worth destroying your entire brand.

You idiot Richard.

Blogger VD November 22, 2016 8:18 PM  

Turns out the so called "Roman saluters" were (((infiltrators))).

Not even remotely surprised.

Go away, Karsten. I'm not interested in your predictable opinion.

Blogger JCclimber November 22, 2016 8:19 PM  

I was invited to Facebook headquarters to participate in "research" into the user experience.
Funny.
I also get headhunters calling to recruit me for their disgusting company.

I thank Vox and others for keeping the news fresh here, and reminding us that these folks are our enemies, cannot be trusted.

Contrary to the folk story, Daniel Webster nor anyone else has successfully outsmarted Satan nor his minions.

Too bad more don't follow the advice given freely here.

Blogger VD November 22, 2016 8:21 PM  

Think of what has happened here: one of (((them))) has sown discord between what should be white allies.

No, Karsten, Richard ignored Mike's warnings. He ignored my warnings. And, predictably, he got completely played and actually managed to get the Alt-Right denounced by the President-Elect.

You cannot possibly blame any of that on Mike. He warned everyone, and then he correctly said "I told you so" even before Trump denounced the Alt-Right.

Utterly stupid. No excuse for it.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 22, 2016 8:37 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Forrest Bishop wrote:Maybe so. It looked like libel so I did some stomping just for practice. Probably it was intended as humor.

I take no offense, but it was intended as a lesson. For instance, the Swastika has been a time honored religious symbol for millenia, and it only took the nazis 10 years of appropriation to result in it being banned in many parts of the world.

Dialectically, the Swastika is innocent. Rhetorically, it is guilty.


Got it. Which is what Student in Blue was saying.

It would be useful to flip this, which what I'm looking for. The German National Socialists didn't ban the American Salute- the American Socialists did, and only after having first promoted it. Then they had to double down, by erasing all memory of the original Pledge of Allegiance. They had to erase real history in order to demonize their so-called Nazis- for things like censorship and blindly following the leader. The situation is as phony as a Federal Reserve Note, as absurd as an SJW. There must some way to leverage that IRL. Trigger to detonation as it were.

Anonymous edub1321 November 22, 2016 8:40 PM  

Which episode was Vox on, of the Daily Shoah? I like the show, but that guy, Mike I think (?) says "like" way too much. He sounds like a teenager.

Vox Day on The Daily Shoah

Anonymous Rip November 22, 2016 8:40 PM  

So Trump disavows people that do Roman salutes. Fair enough.

Now people on the left can be called on to disavow violent anti-Trump protests and BLM riots.

OpenID aew51183 November 22, 2016 8:43 PM  

These operatives with the ADL and SPLC are bad enough with their campaign of hate crime hoaxes. Spencer cooperating with them will cost the alt-right dearly.

At this point we're already seeing TrumpTwitter personalities coining a different brand, "New Right".

Say what you will about the reality behind ethno-nationalism, the "nazi" brand is mud with everyone, and while accusations of nazism has become a joke, they suddenly stick very well when you personally grasp for it.

Blogger JACIII November 22, 2016 8:44 PM  

Utterly stupid, yes. He made of himself a target by claimimg leadership and is now an albatross to hang around the neck of the altright.


Anonymous Sharrukin November 22, 2016 8:45 PM  

My opinion. It wasn't smart, but then not everyone is.

That is part of the problem with geting too upset with things like this.

We will always be the bad guys.

There will always be some idiot willing to do something idiotic.

The left can have Robert Byrd, a member of the KKK and its all good.

The right must be perfect and pure in all ways.

Heads they win, tails you lose.

I was a conservative long enough to know how this game is played.

Condemn The Heretic and it's the song that never ends.

Anonymous Ivan Throne November 22, 2016 8:49 PM  

A note here, entirely unrelated to Alt-White, Alt-Right or Alt-Lite.

Merely an observation:

Richard responded with incredibly stupid and tawdry idiocy, after being led precisely into that trap by a media that set the honeypot for him on purpose.

Lures work.

Richard bit.

The line reeled in, and then the fish was gaffed, just as intended.

There should be absolutely zero moaning here about what the major media accomplished with Richard Spencer.

Did anyone think the Rolling Stone article was genuine journalistic interest? Or that the Washington Post was sincerely fascinated by the story? Or that Mother Jones magazine had objective integrity?

Richard was played, played well, and played hard enough to damage what we do.

Your ego is the bright shiny object that the mirrors of the media reflect for you, and snare you by, and then use you as a tool to crucify more important and more intelligent adversaries than you.

Do not onanistically wrap yourself up in fantasies of fame at the hands of the media.

Do you understand this?

Do you want to win?

Or sabotage better men than you with your masturbatory hubris?

Do not talk to the media.

Regards,

Ivan

Blogger JACIII November 22, 2016 8:53 PM  

aew51183 wrote:These operatives with the ADL and SPLC are bad enough with their campaign of hate crime hoaxes. Spencer cooperating with them will cost the alt-right dearly.

At this point we're already seeing TrumpTwitter personalities coining a different brand, "New Right".

Say what you will about the reality behind ethno-nationalism, the "nazi" brand is mud with everyone, and while accusations of nazism has become a joke, they suddenly stick very well when you personally grasp for it.


Some rebranding may be necessary. It will depend on how well the MSM is able to tie the nazi wannabes to the altright. The MSM are running with it and running hard in an organized fashion. They were waiting for this and had organized to exploit it.

Anonymous Ironsides November 22, 2016 8:53 PM  

Rip wrote:So Trump disavows people that do Roman salutes. Fair enough.

Now people on the left can be called on to disavow violent anti-Trump protests and BLM riots.


Protests and riots using the hammer and sickle flag, no less -- an emblem that has waved over more blood than the swastika ever did.

This whole thing is starting to convince me there's no fixing the situation, if one arm movement is enough to cause the masses of white humanity to embrace again the people who openly declare they want to destroy them. It will end only with the annihilation of the white race, or an outpouring of violence that will make the wars of the 20th century look like tea and crumpets. But maybe exhaustion and alcohol are making me unnecessarily gloomy.

Blogger JACIII November 22, 2016 8:56 PM  

"Your ego is the bright shiny object that the mirrors of the media reflect for you, and snare you by, and then use you as a tool to crucify more important and more intelligent adversaries than you."

This. A thousand times this.

Anonymous JustAnotherPairOfEyes November 22, 2016 8:58 PM  

LOL, the MSM is reporting that Tila Tequila got kicked off of Twitter for the Nazi salute &c.

If having her as a representative of the alt right doesn't shift the Overton window I can't imagine what it would take.

Anonymous kfg November 22, 2016 9:00 PM  

"Some idiots still don't realize Trump isn't alt-right."

Or a Republican.

Anonymous Moonbear November 22, 2016 9:10 PM  

Well, I just saw what Dick Spencer did.
He has to be ostracized, right?

Blogger Elocutioner November 22, 2016 9:11 PM  

OT - https://twitter.com/jack account is suspended.

Blogger Elocutioner November 22, 2016 9:13 PM  

And it's back. Damn.

Anonymous Walter Oleg November 22, 2016 9:14 PM  

Jews False Flagging as Nazis at NPI Meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc6fxLRUuZI

Blogger Cecil Henry November 22, 2016 9:15 PM  

The people doing the Nazi like salute at the NPI conference were Jews.

Once again.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 22, 2016 9:15 PM  

Thank you, Ivan Throne.

JustAnotherPairOfEyes wrote:LOL, the MSM is reporting that Tila Tequila got kicked off of Twitter for the Nazi salute &c.

If having her as a representative of the alt right doesn't shift the Overton window I can't imagine what it would take.


Help finish it-

Tipsy Tila Tequila titillated Twitter...

Anonymous No use for a username November 22, 2016 9:20 PM  

Is this really bad enough to kill the alt right name?

I thought We. Don't. Care. Even what the God Emperor thinks!

Blogger Sambuca Ford November 22, 2016 9:27 PM  

Breaking news, Megyn Kelly declares the Alt Right really "want to be in the media, they want to be on Megyn Kelly."

She's okay but I don't want to be on Megyn Kelly. Or her TV show.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 9:30 PM  

OT
Italian women protest in opposition to more rapefugees, it's about time, frankly.

Blogger ZhukovG November 22, 2016 9:33 PM  

If you chum the water and then jump in, expect to get bit.

Rather than getting discouraged by Trump's statements; look for ways to use the new situation to our advantage.
As it stands the disavowal of the Alt-Right may be useful. It may give the Alt-West greater freedom to maneuver.

Blogger Sambuca Ford November 22, 2016 9:39 PM  

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Anonymous Ironsides November 22, 2016 9:41 PM  

So what is this officially? NaziGate?

Anonymous Scintan November 22, 2016 9:52 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:If you chum the water and then jump in, expect to get bit.

Rather than getting discouraged by Trump's statements; look for ways to use the new situation to our advantage.

As it stands the disavowal of the Alt-Right may be useful. It may give the Alt-West greater freedom to maneuver.


There's no good here. There's no advantage here. No freedom was gained here. Spencer was a fool. And, as I'm saying this, I'm treading lightly because Vox wants people here to play nice with that dumb ass.

Anonymous BGKB November 22, 2016 9:55 PM  

Megyn Kelly declares the Alt Right really "want to be in the media, they want to be on Megyn Kelly."

I wonder if she would interview El Guapo about his new live game show?

Anonymous 11/22 November 22, 2016 10:11 PM  

VD wrote:
"They are not your friend. They do not want to let you tell their story."

Media at Trump rally used this exact tactic. As people walking out, they'd stop the gullible looking and ask "want to tell us your thoughts?" As if a black female reporter from a 60+% black metro area gives a fuck about what a half-retarded rural white man thinks.

It was a winning strategy for them - no one I saw refused.

Blogger Lazarus November 22, 2016 10:12 PM  

Sambuca Ford wrote:She's okay but I don't want to be on Megyn Kelly. Or her TV show.

Don't be so negative. Some women like the angry sex.

Blogger Nate November 22, 2016 10:43 PM  

Give 'em Hell Ivan.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 22, 2016 10:53 PM  

Some rebranding may be necessary.

I hope the takeaway from this is that there needs to be less focus on "branding" and choosing up alt-whatever sides and leaders, and more focus on doing things.

The model is GamerGate, not spergy right-wing movements of the past that never got beyond the passing-out-mimeographed-flyers stage.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 22, 2016 11:01 PM  

On my drive home today I was surprised to hear excerpts of Spencer's speech being played on a local Clear Channel radio station. Bad optics indeed -- I can't quite imagine what Spencer was thinking he was going to accomplish with this. The whole idea here is that the pseudo-anonymous footsoldiers push the boundaries of what's acceptable while the higher-ups like Spencer (and certainly Trump) stay safely within them.

@54 Staying away from media interviews is great advice for almost everyone. Paul Ramsey (Ramzpaul) did an interview with NPR a couple of weeks ago and although it wasn't a disaster, it gained him little. The interviewer spent most of the time trying to pin Ramzpaul down on his idea of what the Endlösung should look like, and although he didn't completely fall for it, the best Ramzpaul was able to do was repeatedly deflect the questioner. No delivery of a rhetorical kill shot, so I would call it a draw or perhaps a marginal win for Ramzpaul. And this is one of the highest-profile people in the Alt-Right.

Lots of time wasted, huge amount of unnecessary risk taken, and no real gain is a nearly best case outcome of a hostile interview with a major media outlet.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2016 11:08 PM  

Journalists are like cops, except instead of enforcing laws and policies they enforce the Narrative.

It's okay to talk to the cops a little, sometimes, so they know you're a normie and not a member of the criminal underclass*. But never, NEVER talk to journalists. They're prosecutors looking for a defendant.

*Write your own caveats here.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2016 11:26 PM  

Michael O'Duibhir wrote:Spencer is fearless. He doesn't give a shit whether his weltanschauung is considered acceptable or not. He's the kind of warrior we need to fight this enemy.

We live in the gayest possible universe, and the battleground is the hearts and minds of normies *gag*. I take no pleasure in saying this, but the sort of warrior we need to fight this enemy is narcissistic, hyperintelligent faggots like Milo.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 11:26 PM  

@111 Aeoli Pera

It's ok to talk to the cops a little
With some caveats

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2016 11:34 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AA9cb0Z8ab8#t=481

Anonymous JAMES November 22, 2016 11:45 PM  

Spencer and his happy idiots have been on the news here in Australia as well.

A lot of "look we may have gotten everything else about the U.S election wrong, but at least we were right when wr called Donald Trump a nazi!

Anonymous Tommy November 22, 2016 11:55 PM  

"They are not your friend. They do not want to let you tell their story. They want you to play the part of the sacrificial victim of their pre-established narrative."

Here's the truth: These media folks want to simply record you and let you talk then let the raw version hit the airwaves.

And you are smart not to do it. That would tell America exactly what you think. And you know that will be bad.

But let's face it, no one in the Alt Right will rise above a curiosity for the simple reason that you all say what you think on social media and when the someone wants to take you down all they have to do is quote you.

Anonymous Tommy November 22, 2016 11:57 PM  

"
There's no good here. There's no advantage here. No freedom was gained here. Spencer was a fool. And, as I'm saying this, I'm treading lightly because Vox wants people here to play nice with that dumb ass."

Why is everyone here so afraid people will hear exactly what you think? After all... It's a Movement. What are you afraid of, that you'll be quoted accurately? That you'll be caught in a nazi salute?

Anonymous Bobby Farr November 23, 2016 12:00 AM  

Is Spencer even a nationalist? What I have read of his work seems to be a mix of race realism and race based identity arguments. It isn't clear he even sees the nation as a relevant entity and instead groups all whites together.

Blogger AdognamedOp November 23, 2016 12:05 AM  

Spencer's that poorly rendered swastika on a Brooklyn sidewalk made by an SJW AP.

Blogger ViciousCreep November 23, 2016 12:16 AM  

"... you all say what you think on social media and when the someone wants to take you down all they have to do is quote you."
This is precisely the reason that the legitimacy of the legacy media as the forum has to be challenged. So long as they're the ones tossing gladiators into their arena, it doesn't particularly matter how sharp your sword is.

Anonymous edub1321 November 23, 2016 12:17 AM  

I don't ever feel compelled to defend Spencer. But. Holy crap. Ascendant God-Emperor Trump's "disavowal" was given in front of the NYT's staff. And it was milquetoast as well. MEME on to victory, gentlemen! (and ladies)

Anonymous Scintan November 23, 2016 12:18 AM  

Tommy wrote:"

Why is everyone here so afraid people will hear exactly what you think? After all... It's a Movement. What are you afraid of, that you'll be quoted accurately? That you'll be caught in a nazi salute?


First, I don't agree with Spencer, and I don't particularly wish to be personally lumped in with his ilk, when it comes to pigeonholing my thoughts and beliefs.

Second, It's not about fear. It's about understanding the level of blunder that was involved here.

Third, this "movement", as you call it, is not a uniform "movement", yet this dumb ass has put himself out there, allowed himself to be labeled as a leader and founder and, stupidly and needlessly, given the enemy media and politicians a perfect opening to smear everyone even tenuously associated with him.

Fourth, I don't do that whole nazi thing. That's generally more of a leftist approach, with just a comparatively few idiots on the right co-opting it because they're not smart enough to be either original or accurate.

Anonymous Tommy November 23, 2016 12:27 AM  

Scintan,

If you are agreeing with VD on Race, politics and American culture then you are lumped in with Spencer.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl November 23, 2016 12:31 AM  

I won't kneejerk-defend Trump, but in a grand strategy sense, Trump has to make moves to mend all the fences that Obobo and the Globalists wrecked. He's got bigger fish to fry than semantic arguments between AltLite, AltRight, AltWhite, and so on.

Unfortunately for Trump in this regard, he's letting the Left limit the definitions again. For the Left, AltRight = NAZI HITLER!!! and there's now no way to argue against the MSM for that as they have set up the definitions. And it doesn't matter if dialectically we say "AltRight is really just libertarians who defend themselves" or whatever.

On the upshot, we don't really care what the Left says. To paraphrase Frederick the Great, we attack, attack, attack.

Another upshot, to summarize a point by Stefan Molyneux: the Trump victory, AltRight disavowal or no, has already done one great thing - and that is the absolute destruction of the MSM as a trustworthy source for news. They were already at a trust level of 7-8% in 2015. Now, I'm sure it's down to near zero.

I think it was Cernovich who pointed out that a lot of MSM rags, mags, and institutes were basically just non-profits at this point, meant to be tax havens for lobbyists and plutocrats (one of the reasons, by the by, they fear Trump so much - his desire to audit non-profits and tax shelters).

Overall, a tactical misstep, but in the grand scheme of things, we still have the greater victory. The term "AltRight" matters less than the actions we take.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 23, 2016 12:32 AM  

@116 Tommy

Here's the truth: These media folks want to simply record you and let you talk then let the raw version hit the airwaves.

You are either stupid or lying. Which is it? Direct question per the rules of the blog, are you stupid or lying?

Blogger Alexander Strauffon November 23, 2016 12:33 AM  

Ok, White Supremacists, Neo Nazis disguised as "alt-right movements"; so you want to wage war on both black and hispanic people, huh? Expect more than the proper response, then. And remember, all of those famous dictators and racist icons in history you admire so much have one thing in common. Want to know what it is? They LOST. They were defeated by the very people they tried to subdue or erradicate, along with some others who aided them when they saw it was the right thing to do. And the same thing will happen to you, your hate groups, your monstruous puppet of a president-elect Donald Trump, and everything else you've got under your sleeve.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 23, 2016 12:41 AM  

Alexander Strauffon wrote:Ok, White Supremacists, Neo Nazis disguised as "alt-right movements"; so you want to wage war on both black and hispanic people, huh? Expect more than the proper response, then. And remember, all of those famous dictators and racist icons in history you admire so much have one thing in common. Want to know what it is? They LOST. They were defeated by the very people they tried to subdue or erradicate, along with some others who aided them when they saw it was the right thing to do. And the same thing will happen to you, your hate groups, your monstruous puppet of a president-elect Donald Trump, and everything else you've got under your sleeve.

It's interesting that you think Trump is a puppet of the alt-right. That's not true, along with everything else you've asserted (re: desiring race war, history). However, I'm interested to know where you got that idea.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl November 23, 2016 12:41 AM  

@126

What's the difference between La Raza and the Nazis? Mere disagreement on who the master race is. That's it. Take away the Soviet War and the sweet duds, and Hitler was SJW all the way. Nazism was the ultimate convergence of Marxism, Progressivism, and Eastern despotism flaired up with Teutones. Neo-Nazis who think Hitler was a shining hero for the white races are wrong - he hated most whites just as much as he hated other colored peoples. A fig to Hitler and his lunatic hippiness.

I only speak for myself, but I fight against the Marxists, the Communists, the Socialists, the SJWs. Whatever their "color."

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 23, 2016 12:44 AM  

More to the point, how many people would you suppose there are in the alt-right? 100? 10,000? A million?

Anonymous Galactic Starfleets of Deplorable Spartacus November 23, 2016 12:47 AM  

The reason the Alt-Right is on the rise is not due to approval by maverick politicians, or because corrupt establishment figures denounce it, but as a result of the historical trends identified by Structural Demographic Theory, which is to say, elite overproduction, popular immiseration, immigration, and the fiscal crisis of the state.

As well as the inevitable forces of history and the methods of material production.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 23, 2016 12:48 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:@116 Tommy

Here's the truth: These media folks want to simply record you and let you talk then let the raw version hit the airwaves.

You are either stupid or lying. Which is it? Direct question per the rules of the blog, are you stupid or lying?


Even if that question were legitimately supported by the rule, you aren't going to get an honest answer out of that one. He's here to gaslight.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 23, 2016 12:50 AM  

On the subject of dealing with media interview requests, one of the more interesting tactics I've seen employed is the use of a written response stating that your entire body of work is satirical performance art that shouldn't be interpreted literally, along with a request to respect your privacy. Having nothing else to publish, a media outlet will actually run this statement.

The first time I saw this done it struck me as a weasel move, but it increasingly seems like an appropriately mocking dismissal of an interview request. Paul Town and Jared Taylor Swift (both now shoah'd, I believe) have both done this.

Anonymous Ultradimensional Longboats of Deplorable Spartacus November 23, 2016 12:50 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:More to the point, how many people would you suppose there are in the alt-right? 100? 10,000? A million?

6 million, duh. Such a straight man.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl November 23, 2016 12:50 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:More to the point, how many people would you suppose there are in the alt-right? 100? 10,000? A million?

Must be around 60 million, judging by the election results.

Should we let him know that it was Trump, Milo, and Hitler-borg that created the AltRight in a laboratory in the Bavarian Alps amidst crashing thunder and lightning? That they raised their gauntleted fists into the Teutonic night sky?

Ooops...sorry about revealing the secret guys!

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 23, 2016 12:52 AM  

Tommy wrote:But let's face it, no one in the Alt Right will rise above a curiosity for the simple reason that you all say what you think on social media and when the someone wants to take you down all they have to do is quote you.

And yet here you are. Your point is belied by posting it in the first place.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl November 23, 2016 12:54 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Tommy wrote:But let's face it, no one in the Alt Right will rise above a curiosity for the simple reason that you all say what you think on social media and when the someone wants to take you down all they have to do is quote you.

And yet here you are. Your point is belied by posting it in the first place.


It's like watching a spider get trapped in its own web. Hilarious and tragic. Except spiders are useful and interesting...

Anonymous Ironsides November 23, 2016 12:56 AM  

Hm, the trolls have re-emerged in an effort to demoralize us. Gentlemen, we're taking flak -- we're still over the target.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 23, 2016 12:58 AM  

Oh, a guy said Hail Trump and did a Hitler salute, yet miraculously 6 million people didn't die? Let's just ignore it the way the left ignores Soros' blacks assassinating cops.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 23, 2016 12:58 AM  

Ultradimensional Longboats of Deplorable Spartacus wrote:Aeoli Pera wrote:More to the point, how many people would you suppose there are in the alt-right? 100? 10,000? A million?

6 million, duh. Such a straight man.


I'm actually interested to hear his answer, if he'll give it.

Anonymous Scintan November 23, 2016 12:59 AM  

Tommy wrote:Scintan,

If you are agreeing with VD on Race, politics and American culture then you are lumped in with Spencer.


Nobody with a functioning brain would lump me in with Spencer,even through Vox. I'd just like to keep it that way, and the bigger Spencer allows his umbrella to be perceived as, the more difficult that becomes.

I don't worry about people such as yourself. Anyone so foolish as to say

But let's face it, no one in the Alt Right will rise above a curiosity for the simple reason that you all say what you think on social media and when the someone wants to take you down all they have to do is quote you.

after this last election isn't really worth worrying about.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 23, 2016 1:06 AM  

Too bad, it seems they've gone to bed. I should follow suit.

Gentlemen, please send my regards to your paymasters.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl November 23, 2016 1:15 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Too bad, it seems they've gone to bed. I should follow suit.

Gentlemen, please send my regards to your paymasters.


I was curious too. Oh well. I guess it must have been a billion.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 23, 2016 2:07 AM  

It's interesting that you think Trump is a puppet of the alt-right. That's not true, along with everything else you've asserted (re: desiring race war, history). However, I'm interested to know where you got that idea.

Yesss... Interrogate the heretic. Make him reveal the source of his heresy, then.. purify him of the sin of claiming that the God-Emperor could be anyone's puppet.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 23, 2016 2:07 AM  

Ironsides, don't dispair. Remember the lesson of a couple threads back. Nazis and Hitler were losers. Their brand and all of its symbology is tainted beyond redemption by their being losers. Stupid losers who caused us a lot of trouble. They did more damage to white people than all the jews of Hollywood.

People trying to resurrect their brand are fools and it is a sign of strength for our side to denounce fools. We have serious work to do and no time for pandering to juvenile infatuation with history's failures.

Blogger rho November 23, 2016 2:13 AM  

Spencer is the type of guy who will hear the "WE DON'T CARE" mantra, see the Pepe Jew-in-the-oven memes and take away the wrong lesson. Spencer should have known better than to host an event when he's not a flamboyant gay or a verbally adept Jewish dwarf. It certainly didn't help that the event smelled like an unnecessary victory lap.

As VD said, optics do matter. It's not concern-trolling to point that out. Until it is. The line is unclear, but you'll know you've crossed it when the God-Emperor Ascendent publicly scolds you.

The next four years are going to be awesome:
1. We've elected a universally acknowledged blowhard to the highest office
2. At a time of instant and frequent global communication
3. While every society is riven by racial strife

I'd give Trump 3/2 odds that he Makes America Great Again. I give him 1/3 odds that he Makes Newspapers Profitable Again. 1/100000 that he Makes America Really Interesting.

Anonymous JAMES November 23, 2016 2:40 AM  

Optics matter more than anything, especially facts.

I thought Spencer understood that. Apparently not.

His constant attempts to create a respectable looking vehicle for his thought has just been exploded.

He should have left the stupidity to Anglin and the insanity to Weev.

Anonymous Ultradimensional Longboats of Deplorable Spartacus November 23, 2016 2:48 AM  

The plot thickens...

https://colonycollapsesite.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/my-roman-salute-w-tila/

Blogger S. Thermite November 23, 2016 2:50 AM  

Spencer behaved like an idiot, agreed. So are a many of the Alt-White on Twitter calling their fellow Alt-Right and Trump supporters cucks. One battle at a time, folks. The current battle is Immigration. The US has committed grievous self-harm by forcing Africans to immigrate here against their will as unpaid slaves, on now their poorest descendants populate festering hellholes of resentment like inner-city Detroit, with little hope in sight. Our nation has some responsibility for that, and for now we have to own it. But the post-1965 policy of importing future dissidents (if not them, then their offspring) as paid slaves for government social program is beyond insane, unless of course you're in the business of government, are looking for more Democrat votes, or want to make whites the minority. So it's the whites and (((others))) pushing for this that are the biggest enemies of the US right now, and if we're going to win against them we have to do it shrewdly.

Blogger rho November 23, 2016 2:50 AM  

JAMES wrote:Optics matter more than anything, especially facts.

I thought Spencer understood that. Apparently not.

His constant attempts to create a respectable looking vehicle for his thought has just been exploded.

He should have left the stupidity to Anglin and the insanity to Weev.


OPTICS MATTER.

WEEV IS INSANE.

NEVER HEARD OF ANGLIN, BUT I DO LIKE TO FISH. Pan trout mostly, but I smoke a good mullet.

Blogger VD November 23, 2016 3:05 AM  

Hm, the trolls have re-emerged in an effort to demoralize us. Gentlemen, we're taking flak -- we're still over the target.

Exactly. All Spencer's mistake did was allow them to counterattack. They were reeling and in disarray, but now they've gathered themselves and identified what they thought was a weak point.

And they came here.

(shakes head) Well, they'll discover their mistake soon enough.

Anonymous Bob Moran November 23, 2016 3:12 AM  

Many people are conflating the individual and movement preferable behavior. That's kinda odd, considering how many like to reference Gamergate.

GG started to fracture when "muh PR" became important for one subgroup. And that's the part that slowly wittered away because it wasn't fun and wasn't going anywhere. It was sacrificing effectiveness for political correctness. (Cuckservatives anyone?) Many others simply migrated to /pol/ and similar circles. GG was their redpill moment.

Individually, if you have a business or any kind of reputation to keep, Vox rules are sensible. He's smart enough to know he doesn't have the (((high verbal IQ))) necessary to think on his feet fast enough to avoid all the traps journalists might throw at him in a live interview.

However, these rules do not transfer to a movement when you have ideas to spread. You won't spread them by hiding in a closet and never speaking freely. Many people just need the little push that says "you know, it's okay to think like that, you're not alone." The alt-right is the counterculture. It's what's edgy, fun and attracting to a whole lot of people who are tired of political correctness, who are tired of being guilted into sacrificing their own interests for those of another group.

The medias don't need to find someone doing a Roman salute to construct a narrative. You've learned nothing if that's what you think. Sure, they'll use a juicy image if they can find one, but otherwise they'll just construct a vilain out of nothing. They will still call you a racist-sexist-xenophobic-nazi regardless of what you do.

Look at what's happening now : Trump is distancing himself from the alt-right. You think that's bad? That's a perfect selling technique. You anchor a group as really radical and then you show yourself as being much more reasonable. Trump suddenly becomes much more acceptable. We are pushing everything to the right.

FFS, what do you think has been happening for decades? By creating little "radical" left-wings groups, the other leftists could always point at them and say "See, those are the radicals... we are the well balanced centrists!"

The reason the alt-right has been so successful is because it doesn't try to lose while being principled; it tries to win by using, if necessary, the same weapons our ennemies have been using all this time.

Yes, narrative matters... BUT THE NARRATIVE THAT MATTERS IS THAT WE DON'T CARE.

Blogger rho November 23, 2016 3:17 AM  

VD wrote:Hm, the trolls have re-emerged in an effort to demoralize us. Gentlemen, we're taking flak -- we're still over the target.

Exactly. All Spencer's mistake did was allow them to counterattack. They were reeling and in disarray, but now they've gathered themselves and identified what they thought was a weak point.

And they came here.

(shakes head) Well, they'll discover their mistake soon enough.


Not so sure they came here.

But I can't wait to read about the strategic counter-offensive!

(Will it be memes? Will it be blogposts? Will it be... I'm out of ideas here, guys.)

Blogger rho November 23, 2016 3:42 AM  

I'm 0/0 for pedophilia, but I'm 3/1 for blowhard geniuses who don't deliver.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 23, 2016 3:48 AM  

The Jews created the Nazis last time, and they're creating them again.

Jews are literally Hitler.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 23, 2016 4:02 AM  

As an aside, has anyone else had his brain changed by reading the comments bottom-to-top? I started just to avoiding repeating what everyone else said, and I swear it's improved my short-term memory and paragraph resorting ability.

Blogger S. Thermite November 23, 2016 4:05 AM  

rho, I'm not the only Ilk who owns all of Vox's books and have read thousands of his blog posts. Since you are clearly his equal or superior, please share with us the names of your books and blog so that we can move on to better material (even if you evidently can't)

Anonymous Bz November 23, 2016 4:55 AM  

No enemies to the right, dear fellows, and never apologize, disavow those on your side, etc.

Also, "mending fences" is really not a point on Trump's agenda at all, for the obvious reasons we have seen in detail for at least two years now. Let the progs mend fences, apologize and disavow, as gestures of good will.

Spend more time on freezing out and crushing the lügenmedia instead. Note by the way that the Daily Caller article mentioned 'lügenpresse' as something totally nazi.


Spencer also referred to the press using the German word “Lügenpresse,” which translates to “lying press.” The National Socialist German Workers’ Party often employed the term to attack critics in the press.


They start chipping away at once.

Blogger random Earth dweller November 23, 2016 4:59 AM  

What's the big deal? The press called us Nazis the entire campaign, we responded by Tweeting memes of them in gas chambers, and Trump STILL won. We WON.

We don't need to do this anymore--counter-signal to the Right, engage in public infighting, and freak out whenever someone supposedly "crosses the line." Cernovich's meltdown is embarrassing, incoherent, and unnecessary.

This is leaked video of a half dozen goys at a private event, feeling the brotherhood and comraderie (and possibly a little alcohol), popping the Roman salute following a fine speech by Mr. Spencer. The media shit themselves and the entire thing will be forgotten in 48 hours.

Who. Cares.

Hail victory.

Blogger Bodo Staron November 23, 2016 5:18 AM  

Disavowment from Donald Trump for the alt-right is not the endgame and never was. The endgame is to get Bannon away from Trump. Why? Because he knows the media extremely well? Or because of his nationalist economic ideas?

The media is already trying: The call Breitbart the "alt-right" publication. It never was. They try desperately to pin anything racist on Bannon, better yet something antisemitic. That last one failed I think due to his employees speaking for him.

Now they tried the lie that Bannon used the n-word.
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/cnn-bannon-breitbart-support-nazi-salute-white-supremacy/

Turning Spencer into the new David Duke is just the icing on the cake.

Blogger VD November 23, 2016 5:19 AM  

We don't need to do this anymore--counter-signal to the Right, engage in public infighting, and freak out whenever someone supposedly "crosses the line." Cernovich's meltdown is embarrassing, incoherent, and unnecessary.

You have it backwards. Spencer's performance was embarrassing, inept, and unnecessary. It's Spencer whose actions resulted in the very man he was celebrating denouncing and disavowing the Alt-Right, not Cernovich.

And even Richard quite clearly knows it was a mistake now. So stop defending it.

Blogger Lazarus November 23, 2016 5:21 AM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:As an aside, has anyone else had his brain changed by reading the comments bottom-to-top?

Yes.

Blogger VD November 23, 2016 5:24 AM  

However, these rules do not transfer to a movement when you have ideas to spread. You won't spread them by hiding in a closet and never speaking freely. Many people just need the little push that says "you know, it's okay to think like that, you're not alone." The alt-right is the counterculture. It's what's edgy, fun and attracting to a whole lot of people who are tired of political correctness, who are tired of being guilted into sacrificing their own interests for those of another group.

Agreed. That's why I said that the only one damaged by this is Richard himself. I don't think he intended to be one of the readily disavowable clowns. But that's the role he appears to have inadvertently volunteered himself for. One hopes he'll have the sense to stop. The best place to cure malaria is not the swamp where you were infected.

Anonymous Rona November 23, 2016 7:10 AM  

What Spencer said was unwise and a mistake, but this public meltdown by supposedly right-wingers over it is embarrassing. Stop attacking the guy, tell him he's stupid in private, if you must. In public, make a joke of it and mock his critics. 'Alt-right doesn't care what you think of it'? Yeah right.

Rona

Blogger ZhukovG November 23, 2016 7:13 AM  

As I said earlier, there is no reason to panic. I am actually surprised it took this long for a mistake of this nature to occur.

Remember, whatever mistakes Spencer made, he is not the enemy. The Globalists are. Even Leftist Progressives are nothing more than the Globalist's 'Useful Idiots'.

While both history and human nature are on our side, this is going to be a long campaign. Donald Trump provides us an opportunity, not a solution.

With Donald Trump's candidacy we began our offensive. With his election we achieved a breakthrough. But it is a long road to raising the red banner above the globalist Reichstag.

Anonymous Rona November 23, 2016 7:38 AM  

@ZhukovG

Exactly, these idiots think that Daddy Trump could save America with amazing policy input from the Alt-right if only Spencer didn't raise his arm.

It really shows how deluded formerly normal people can become when they believe their guy is winning.

Rona

Anonymous EH November 23, 2016 8:37 AM  

Spencer wasn't being helpful, but something along these lines was bound to be a media pack story regardless of what he did. Jim at blog.jim.com says:
Jim: They are going to call us “literally worse than Hitler” no matter what we do or say. No harm in playing the part.

No enemies to the left works fine for leftists.[....] We should have no enemies to the right. If we have to disown nazis, we will have disown one faction after another until we are back to being cuckservatives.

Blogger Daniel November 23, 2016 8:55 AM  

Meteoro y great... V is pretty good. But matrix 3.... That cannot be forgiven. Fuck them. Way to ruin all. I'll always want to know way.

Blogger VD November 23, 2016 9:56 AM  

What Spencer said was unwise and a mistake, but this public meltdown by supposedly right-wingers over it is embarrassing. Stop attacking the guy, tell him he's stupid in private, if you must.

No one is melting down. No one is panicking. And if you fuck up that publicly, then people have no choice but to respond to your mistake in public because everyone is asking them about it in public.

The Alt-Right wanted people to pay attention, well, guess what? This is what it looks like. Time to start dotting i's and crossing t's and be ready for the heat.

Blogger Student in Blue November 23, 2016 1:20 PM  

@Bob Moran
GG started to fracture when "muh PR" became important for one subgroup. And that's the part that slowly wittered away because it wasn't fun and wasn't going anywhere. It was sacrificing effectiveness for political correctness. (Cuckservatives anyone?) Many others simply migrated to /pol/ and similar circles. GG was their redpill moment.

"muh PR" went to /kotakuinaction/ and places like that. At worst, this is a great argument for self-segregation. People who wanted to shitlord could shitlord and wound up being effective in their own methods, and the most effective operations got *everyone* who was interested involved, muh PR and not.

"muh PR" was also effective as containment, and for getting normies more involved.

Now that said, there is a very big difference between GG's situation and this, in that the shitlords aren't being grouped up IRL and falling for media ploys. It's IRL which changes things.

And either way, as it was also with GG, the final arbiter for who was right will be who will be most effective.

Blogger S1AL November 23, 2016 4:29 PM  

The part that the "they're gonna say it anyways" crowd doesn't get is that they're making the same mistake as mainstream conservatives:

That's not your target audience.

You're not trying to convince the far left. You're not trying to convince the general left. You're trying to convince the middle and the right.

And the middle and the right don't believe it when the MSM start screaming about Nazis... right up until some group of morons starts to *publicly act like god damn Nazis*.

Anonymous Rona November 24, 2016 4:53 AM  

"And the middle and the right don't believe it when the MSM start screaming about Nazis... right up until some group of morons starts to *publicly act like god damn Nazis*."

Yes, acting like a Nazi is stupid, even if you're in love with Third Reich.

The point is that these kind of mistakes should be pointed out privately and not start kvetching about it online, to a huge user base, building it into even bigger story.

Spencer tried out a meme IRL in front of media and, unfortunately, leftist agitators. And it backfired.

Instead of contacting Spencer privately and defending him publicly, self-promotor decided to attack his own side.

Leftists don't chastise their own murderers and terrorists, alt-lite donounces their own on first heil joke. Sad.

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