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Sunday, November 20, 2016

NFL Week 11

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Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2016 12:01 PM  

> Who cares?

Nobody is forcing you to read the NFL threads.

Blogger VD November 20, 2016 12:07 PM  

Who cares?

Spammed.

Blogger Lew Rand November 20, 2016 12:20 PM  

Cardinals / Vikings : Before the year started, was one of the "Home Field Advantage" games for sure.

Now its between a team without a clue that missed two easy kicks for a good record and a scarily sliding team that was the best in the NFC.

Still gonna give it to the Vikes though. My Cardinals just don't have a clue any more. Personnel is mostly the same. Coaches same. Just got older I guess.

Blogger Jabari November 20, 2016 12:24 PM  

Cards vs Vikings: Battle of the most disappointing teams in the NFL.

The Cards had been saying nothing but "Goal is Supa Bowl Ring, not Supa Bowl - Supa Bowl Ring" (read it in Bruce Arians' voice). Vikings started out so hot then fell off a cliff.

Blogger Lazarus November 20, 2016 12:31 PM  

Jabari wrote:Vikings started out so hot then fell off a cliff.

They didn't miss having AD until they did.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2016 12:43 PM  

> Spammed.

Apologies. I should know better by now. :(

Anonymous Gin November 20, 2016 12:59 PM  

HTTRedskins!

Anonymous The OASF November 20, 2016 1:06 PM  

Random Steelers thoughts...

Well it's that time of year again. It's the "Cleveland Super Bowl" and what may go down as "Mistake by the Lake II."

Pittsburgh has the worst pass rush in the league. Period. I find this supremely ironic considering that it is Kevin Greene's Hall of Fame year and he chose Pittsburgh as his induction team.

Anyway, Cleveland's quarterback actually has a decent QB rating and have some good receivers. If they go up on Pittsburgh quick it could get interesting.

If Tomlin blows yet another trap game then I call it right now he won't last through the season. I know this would seem highly improbable considering the Rooney management style. However, even the righteous Rooneys can't risk losing the team for the rest of the season. Pittsburgh also has a competent head coach replacement in Todd Haley that could step in. Well, I guess that depends on how you define competent. Keith Butler might get the boot as well considering that the defense realistically can't get much worse. Plus we could probably get to see Joey Porter as defensive coordinator and what a hilarity farse that would be to add to a farce of a season.

Even his own players are laughing at him for trying to play "musical chairs linebacker by committee" defense.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2016 1:06 PM  

Titans really need to beat the Colts today.

Anonymous Philipp November 20, 2016 1:16 PM  

OT: Slat has put together a list of companies (including ESPN) that have cut all business ties with Trump. That's really nice of them. So we know which ones to boykott.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/11/18/a_list_of_all_of_the_companies_sports_team_and_chefs_that_won_t_do_business.html

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 1:45 PM  

Vox: Nice, thanks.
Lew Rand wrote:Cardinals / Vikings : Before the year started, was one of the "Home Field Advantage" games for sure.

Now its between a team without a clue that missed two easy kicks for a good record and a scarily sliding team that was the best in the NFC.

Still gonna give it to the Vikes though. My Cardinals just don't have a clue any more. Personnel is mostly the same. Coaches same. Just got older I guess.

Like last week, a month ago this would have been a serious matchup, GOTW material. It's still an important one, to the two teams involved. Vegas says 'Pick 'em', and they are equally matched, trouble is, they've both taken a step back, the Cards were expected to give Seattle a run for the divison, and the Vikes were expected to be leading theirs. ''If the season ended today...'' both are on the outside looking in. The Vikes get edged out by the Lions(?!) by tiebreaker.
IOW, both need this win desperately.
The other thing I was looking at was ''who's the biggest free-agent flop?''
I'd have to give it to Osweilier, the Clowns knew (or should've) they were picking up the snake with RGIII, they did anyway, and of course, got bit.
But C'mon, RGIII is still doing his part to keep their streak going...

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables November 20, 2016 1:47 PM  

I have to say that I do not enjoy sports, I don't have a team, or even a sport, but it is relatively good gauge of how I will like and get along with people. Football>Hockey>Baseball>Basketball>Soccer.

So while I will not partake, I recognize I am the oddity and the exception...I hope y'all enjoy game day. Thanks for being Great Americans.

Blogger VD November 20, 2016 1:49 PM  

Adam Thielen is the second coming of Cris Carter.

Blogger Stilicho November 20, 2016 1:51 PM  

Bills vs Bungles: two decent teams that find ways to lose. Too close to call.

Blogger Jabari November 20, 2016 2:14 PM  

Ugh. We suck again.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 20, 2016 2:26 PM  

Go Vikes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 20, 2016 2:40 PM  

ABC. Anybody but Cowboys

Anonymous Hammerman November 20, 2016 2:40 PM  

Cowboys need to run the ball more. Dak has looked shaky at times but put together two good drives.

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 3:05 PM  

Carnak put envelope to head: ''Both''
''Which is worse, Cards or Vikes?''
But seriously, the Vikes are up by 10.
I was curious about last Sunday night's game ratings; 14.3 overnight rating, according to NBC Sports PR on Twitter the best Sun. night since 2011.
If it had been significantly down, the NFL would have been left with (more) egg on it's face, the election's over and you can't get a better matchup than what could be a SB preview.

Anonymous logprof November 20, 2016 3:27 PM  

Thanks indeed for the list of sports organizations boycotting Trump.

Only 3 teams, all bounce-ball, which I care none about. The only one I've ever patronized is ESPN, which I cannpt really boycott since I get free cable included in my rent. F*** all those organizations and their pettiness.

Meanwhile, I'm sweating my Chiefs pulling out a win against a mediocre team in Arrowhead. . . .

Blogger Sambuca Ford November 20, 2016 3:47 PM  

Titans should steal this one, but they will not. Bradford is the thinking man's Dave Kreig.

Blogger Ben Cohen November 20, 2016 3:47 PM  

How much are the jets going to lose to the pats?

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 3:49 PM  

Looks like the Vikes are going to be cheering for the Jags right now, they're ahead of the Lions.
The Cowboys are in an interesting situation (and I don't expect them to make it to the NFC championship) they've got what likely won't be their ''QB of the future'' (he's African, so this is his blowout season, next season he'll go downhill, they all do) and Romo (who, when he can play, is good) now what?
Who do you get rid of? A QB that's good, but is as durable as fine china, or the one that's good now and likely will go downhill and be a problem (see: Krapernig. RGIII, ect).
Enjoy this season Cowboys fan, they won't be as good next year - and of course, it isn't December yet.

Blogger SemiSpook37 November 20, 2016 4:01 PM  

@8

The problem with the Steelers is consistency. My biggest complaint with Tomlin is that he tends to get complacent at the worst possible times. Granted, I think Butler is more guilty of the complacency than Haley is, but it ultimately begins and ends with Tomlin. I wouldn't be upset if they did let him go, but who would be able to come in and light a fire under the team's collective ass? I'm not seeing who could be capable of doing that.

Granted, it looks as though they'll actually pull this one out and get back into a tie with the Ratbirds (as they are predictably falling to the Cowgirls at the moment), but this complacency shit's gotta stop. There's a lot more talent there that's being wasted because Tomlin appears to be afraid of a losing season. I'd rather be losing giving a damn than winning just by playing it safe. Risk, reward, etc.

Anonymous The OASF November 20, 2016 4:15 PM  

My biggest problem with Tomlin is three straight number one draft pick failures at linebacker. Two of which were number one overall draft picks. Though hope Still Remains for Bud Dupree I suppose.

The Tomlin & Colbert strategy of choosing freakish athletic ability over proven football acumen has failed badly in my uneducated opinion.

And yes it appears Cleveland will lose yet another one of its Superbowls. Oh well, I guess there's always next year.

Blogger Jabari November 20, 2016 4:17 PM  

(Cardinals): Well, at least this season's finally officially over.

You could see it coming in preseason - I know people say that "it doesn't count" but the first team looked completely awful back then and it hasn't improved at all.

Doesn't help that the special teams have been a total disaster the entire year.

Blogger Sambuca Ford November 20, 2016 4:22 PM  

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Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 4:28 PM  

The Rams are demonstrating why they (and the Raiders) left LA in the first place: Good seats still available!

Blogger VD November 20, 2016 4:34 PM  

SERIOUSLY! WTF is WRONG with the cursed referees? You do NOT throw a flag for Roughing the Passer on 4th-and-19 on an incomplete, no-chance pass when the QB isn't even hit late.

I cannot believe the league hasn't told the morons to STOP DICTATING THE GAME RESULTS.

Anonymous logprof November 20, 2016 4:36 PM  

"they've got what likely won't be their ''QB of the future'' (he's African, so this is his blowout season, next season he'll go downhill, they all do)"

--If you want to lay down markers of black QBs, I'd say Vince Young (Rookie of the Year, followed by flame-out) and Russell Wilson (yeah, he's not super-black, but he's blacker than President Zero) are the extremes. Vince Young was a physical freak of nature, while Wilson uses his less impressive athleticism as a complement to being a traditional quarterback, not as the default. I see Prescott as being more like Wilson, and having a stout offensive line and a superior running game alongside him certainly helps.

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 4:38 PM  

Jabari wrote:(Cardinals): Well, at least this season's finally officially over.

You could see it coming in preseason - I know people say that "it doesn't count" but the first team looked completely awful back then and it hasn't improved at all.

Doesn't help that the special teams have been a total disaster the entire year.

Yep, time to do what the Cowboys did a year ago, say ''Fuck it, lets just go through the motions, and work on improving our draft position''. But they can't get worse than the Niners - who at least won a game ;)

Anonymous Jack Amok November 20, 2016 4:46 PM  

SERIOUSLY! WTF is WRONG with the cursed referees?

That was Floor-bag's crew, right? Yeah, that was a terrible call. Look at it this way - it mean Palmer had to go get hit again. At least it turned out right in the end.

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 4:46 PM  

VD wrote:SERIOUSLY! WTF is WRONG with the cursed referees? You do NOT throw a flag for Roughing the Passer on 4th-and-19 on an incomplete, no-chance pass when the QB isn't even hit late.

I cannot believe the league hasn't told the morons to STOP DICTATING THE GAME RESULTS.

The fish stinks from the head. We need a new commissioner to ''Make Football Great Again''. Unfortunately, God Emperor Ascendent can't do anything about that.

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 4:57 PM  

BTW, I would absolutely love to see God Emperor Trump demand the Owner's skybox for SB 51.
The NFL/Minnesota could not deny him (the Secret Service will see to that) just for the lulz :)

Blogger SemiSpook37 November 20, 2016 5:19 PM  

@25

I agree that Shazier is a waste. The linebacking corps isn't the problem, it's the flipping secondary. When your anchor is William Gay, abandon hope all ye who want them to at least try and break up a pass or, God forbid, get an interception.

Blogger exfarmkid November 20, 2016 5:20 PM  

Vikings/Cards was a fun game on the radio making a fairly pleasant drive. After that early blocked extra point, I had this sinking feeling that it would make the difference in the game. Nice to be wrong. And Vox, that 4 & 19 call - Paul Allen going through the roof was priceless.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 20, 2016 5:22 PM  

You do NOT throw a flag for Roughing the Passer on 4th-and-19 on an incomplete, no-chance pass when the QB isn't even hit late.

Of all the reasons I'm watching less football, huge bad calls might be #1. I'm so tired of having to wait 5 seconds after every successful defensive play to see if it's safe to cheer, or if the crowd and the offense will talk a ref into throwing a late flag. It takes all the fun out of rooting for the defense -- but then the casual fans the NFL is chasing don't care about defense. When their defense is on the field, they're rooting for one of their fantasy players on the other team.

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 5:33 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:You do NOT throw a flag for Roughing the Passer on 4th-and-19 on an incomplete, no-chance pass when the QB isn't even hit late.

Of all the reasons I'm watching less football, huge bad calls might be #1. I'm so tired of having to wait 5 seconds after every successful defensive play to see if it's safe to cheer, or if the crowd and the offense will talk a ref into throwing a late flag. It takes all the fun out of rooting for the defense -- but then the casual fans the NFL is chasing don't care about defense. When their defense is on the field, they're rooting for one of their fantasy players on the other team.

I'm gonna defend the zebras on this, the rulebook has been so scrambled by the fish stinking from the head all they can do is cope.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 20, 2016 6:16 PM  

Yeah, I'm not primarily blaming the refs themselves. They're not as good as they used to be, but they've been made that way.

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 6:47 PM  

The second games are teams slacking off

Blogger VD November 20, 2016 7:34 PM  

It is the fault of the refs for not paying attention to the context of the play. 4th-and-19 at the end of the game, you do NOT throw a flag unless it is absolutely and utterly egregious.

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 8:02 PM  

logprof wrote:"they've got what likely won't be their ''QB of the future'' (he's African, so this is his blowout season, next season he'll go downhill, they all do)"

--If you want to lay down markers of black QBs, I'd say Vince Young (Rookie of the Year, followed by flame-out) and Russell Wilson (yeah, he's not super-black, but he's blacker than President Zero) are the extremes. Vince Young was a physical freak of nature, while Wilson uses his less impressive athleticism as a complement to being a traditional quarterback, not as the default. I see Prescott as being more like Wilson, and having a stout offensive line and a superior running game alongside him certainly helps.

Only one African QB that did well in the NFL was Warnen Moon.
Tell me which other African QB has done as well as he has.
I've seen it over and over again, an African QB has a fantastic first season (just like the Cowboys current QB) and then quickly goes downhill.
Tell me I'm wrong!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 20, 2016 8:07 PM  

Steve McNair?

Blogger YIH November 20, 2016 8:23 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Steve McNair?
Nice try.

Blogger Banjo November 20, 2016 8:34 PM  

Drafted in 95, full time starter in 97, best season was 2001.

Anonymous logprof November 20, 2016 8:46 PM  

Air McNair and Russell Wilson have both played in Super Bowls, with both losing by the closest of plays and Wilson winning one handily. Warren Moon won multiple Grey Cups, but never made a Conference Final in the NFL --but did compile a very goo record as a passer.

Blogger Lazarus November 20, 2016 8:58 PM  

VD wrote:It is the fault of the refs for not paying attention to the context of the play. 4th-and-19 at the end of the game, you do NOT throw a flag unless it is absolutely and utterly egregious.

This ref crew was particularly screwed up. Thank goodness they did not call their bad calls all one way.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 20, 2016 9:53 PM  

ell me which other African QB has done as well as he has.

Russell Wilson. But SJWs say he isn't really Black, so maybe you're still right. In Seattle, we think he may be a robot anyway.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2016 10:41 PM  

YIH

McNair was a great QB. He's not a Hall of Fame QB.. but he was a great QB.

You make yourself look retarded by arguing otherwise.

Blogger Lazarus November 20, 2016 11:38 PM  

Green Bay is done. Epic Fail.

Guess it might be time to UNrelax.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 21, 2016 12:06 AM  

McNabb also did well in the NFL

Anonymous WaterBoy November 21, 2016 12:29 AM  

Thanksgiving (Vikings @ Lions) looking berry, berry good to me. Division lead.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 22, 2016 6:36 AM  

Last NFL game in Mexico?

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