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Tuesday, November 22, 2016

No charges for Clintons

The media breathlessly reports that Bill and Hillary will escape scot-free from everything they didn't do anyhow:
After Trump stunned the nation during the second presidential debate with Hillary Clinton, in which he quipped that under a Trump presidency "she would be in jail", and suggested that he would demand a special prosecutor probe into Clinton's email server and the Clinton foundation, moments ago MSNBC's Morning Joe reported, citing a source, that president-elect Donald Trump will not pursue any investigations into his former political rival Hillary Clinton "for her use of a private email server and the Clinton foundation."

Trump reportedly feels that Clinton has "been through enough."

Trump had routinely attacked Clinton on the campaign trail over her use of a private server as secretary of State and for foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation while she was in the Obama administration.

The report, first announced by Mika Brzezinski, comes just a week after a 60 Minutes interview where Trump indicated that he may not launch a full investigation into the Democratic nominee. “I’m gonna think about it,” he said at the time to Leslie Stahl. “I don’t wanna hurt them. They’re good people,” he continued of the Clintons.
Again, for the Nth time, Settle. Down. Relax. The God-Emperor Ascendant clearly believes in keeping his enemies in the dark. I would not assume anything at all on the basis of news reports on a topic as sensitive as this.

Even if you insist on parsing the statement, we all know that Hillary is guilty of far worse crimes than setting up a private email server. And so does he.

UPDATE: Trump says "no" when asked if he is taking investigations off the table for the Clintons, @maggieNYT

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138 Comments:

Blogger Eric Wilson November 22, 2016 11:33 AM  

And just as soon as Richard Spencer was retarded the media have to drop it.

Blogger Nate November 22, 2016 11:33 AM  

i don't expect him to prosecute her. I expect him to use it as leverage to make the clinton family his bitches.

Blogger jaericho November 22, 2016 11:40 AM  

OT: this stuff really burns me (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-22/state-regulators-deny-homeless-free-meal) I don't know what is worse: the gov saying you can't feed people, the gov demanding you destroy your private property, or dumbasses complying with the gov and throwing out bbq.

Damn, now I'm hungry.

Blogger Student in Blue November 22, 2016 11:40 AM  

It really is fantastic media control by The Don.

Also I don't like it or prefer his decision, but it easily heads off accusations of "Oh you're abusing power to stifle your political rivals!" and still leaves him a lot of room to work with.

Because keep in mind, the source said "private email server and Clinton Foundation".

ALSO keep in mind, The Donald said not even days ago to IGNORE any media piece that relies on a "source", because they'll be lying, and only believe it if it comes straight from him.

"moments ago MSNBC's Morning Joe reported, citing a source,"

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 22, 2016 11:40 AM  

"and the Clinton Foundation." Ok, but there must be serious foreign policy considerations to unravel from the 8 years of misrule and corruption to consider when it comes to the CF.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 22, 2016 11:40 AM  

To be seen as leading the charge now would be petty and divisive. She's beneath him. Let the FBI take her out.

The dogs finish Jezebel.

Blogger Timmy3 November 22, 2016 11:41 AM  

Trump reportedly feels that Clinton has "been through enough."

Not me. She at minimum needs to plead guilty before dismissing jail time. She should be a convicted felon. Bill has his law license suspended.

Blogger l' Américain November 22, 2016 11:44 AM  

The Breitbart fags are having a day right now.

Blogger Jack Aubrey November 22, 2016 11:45 AM  

Jan 21: "It's worse than we thought, folks. We'll have to continue the investigations. Good thing Obama didn't pardon her!"

Anonymous BGKB November 22, 2016 11:46 AM  

Because keep in mind, the source said "private email server and Clinton Foundation".

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/flashback-obama-bundler-arrested-for-child-molestation/

Blogger bb November 22, 2016 11:49 AM  

From everything that we learned from wikileaks, FBI anons, and Pizzagate there is no need to worry. There is enough crimes to take down Clintons and everyone else involved. There are elements of the US government waiting for Donald to walk into White House and sit in his chair before they start to pounce. Let us continue weaponize autism and mocking the Left.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 22, 2016 11:49 AM  

Still plenty of loose threads to pull, for instance at FreeRepublic someone posted an article dealing with Comet Ping Pong and the media's cry of fake news (see post #10)

Blogger Trid November 22, 2016 11:51 AM  

Why in God's name would he announce anything else, giving Hillary a chance to flee? It's not like the media has a right to know what Trump's plans are. The most prudent thing is to allow false leaks to the media, lulling Hillary into letting her guard down until one night several men show up to take her away

Blogger Ingot9455 November 22, 2016 11:55 AM  

This is supposedly coming from Kellyanne whatsherface, the campaign director as I read. Who has no official position now that her job is done past 'advisor'. And generic press dorking.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2016 11:56 AM  

The man has shown he knows what he's doing. Contra my predispositions, I'm willing to trust in his honesty and competence.

But if he cucks on the wall, it's over. I'll burn this country myself.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 22, 2016 11:56 AM  

There are guys whose lives have been ruined for honest mistakes regarding Controlled Information. There are others that are doing hard time in Leavenworth for having done waaay less than she did.

I honestly believe she is single handedly responsible for the worst security breach in our country's history and I include the Rosenbergs there. And because she destroyed so much of it we won't know how much damage she did for a hundred years.

And if you honestly thought she was ever going to face the music for any of that you gotta find out how the world works.

Anonymous Elipe November 22, 2016 11:56 AM  

Trump is playing (CURRENT_YEAR + 1)-dimensional chess.

Blogger SemiSpook37 November 22, 2016 11:57 AM  

As I mentioned in the SJW thread, long game going on here. She was already humiliated two weeks ago, and that's good enough for now. Personally, I think Weiner's shenanigans is ultimately going to be everyone's undoing, mainly because he's a fucking idiot.

And my, my, won't THAT be glorious...

Blogger Wanderer November 22, 2016 11:58 AM  

Fuck that, this is some major cucked out bullshit.

Next stop amnesty.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 22, 2016 11:59 AM  

Wait and see. My guess is that this heads off a pardon. Jan 21st will be a different world.

Blogger Unknown November 22, 2016 12:00 PM  

The White House doesn't decide who the DOJ or AG prosecutes, or for what reason. This is another Trumpism for the MSM to choke on.

Blogger allyn71 November 22, 2016 12:00 PM  

Fuck that, this is some major cucked out bullshit.

Next stop amnesty.


Impulse control be hard.

Anonymous krymneth November 22, 2016 12:01 PM  

At this point, I don't care about Hillary any more, except for some very vague "rule of law" reasons that I can't even hardly get worked up about because we've got bigger problems than those. She's old and of poor health, and I expect the odds are good that before human justice could even remotely catch up with her, she'll be dead.

At which point she will face Divine Justice.

I do not envy her. We are all sinners and I can never truly know, but somehow, call it a hunch, I suspect she has not availed herself of God's Stupendously Great Offer, and will be stuck trying to foot the bill herself.

The big thing is to ensure that Obama doesn't fling out pardons far and wide to everyone vaguely involved with anything bad. This would seem to be part of that plan. There would be others, since this would not be sufficient, and we will probably never be privy to them. All we can do is keep an eye out on the actions Obama takes.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 22, 2016 12:02 PM  

The hilarious part is that I am certain none of the foreign Intel services could believe this was real at first.

I'm sure they all thought it was trick.

Electronic Warfare guys had to be looking at each other and saying, "no way. Just...no way in fucking hell. I mean do we even report this bullshit? How stupid do the American's think we are?"

Blogger GAHCindy November 22, 2016 12:05 PM  

If this turned out to be true, as I said elsewhere this morning, it would make me very angry. No, she has definitely not been through enough. He did say on sixty minutes that the Clintons are good people who have been through enough. I'm pretty sure I heard it with my own ears. I guess those count as something other than anonymous sources, so I'm going with what I heard. My hope is that he is being disingenuous, and when he has actual power, and actual evidence, he'll suddenly decide that "gosh, the American people deserve to be defended from people in high places acting this way." I'll withhold judgment until we see what happens, but I don't feel at all good about the fact that he has himself said they're good people who should be left alone. That's not reassuring. He'll have plenty of time to reassure me, I guess. So far, he's looking pretty good to me on a lot of fronts, but not this one.

Blogger CynicalMan November 22, 2016 12:06 PM  

They really shouldn't be looking to Trump for how his administration will pursue the Clintons, they should be asking Sessions. If Trump continues Obama's politization of Justice then he will prove himself no better. Justice has to be free to do as it sees fit. They should however clean their own house and give some consideration to the actions of Holder and Lynch.

Blogger tz November 22, 2016 12:07 PM  

@2 exactly. The continual abject terror is a more brutal prison of the mind than camp cupcake.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 22, 2016 12:08 PM  

Trump would basically have to purge the entire FBI and DOJ before he could even begin to go after the Clinton gang - unless he's planning on being a real God-Emperor and having them thrown to wild beasts in a stadium filled with cheering legions of vile faceless minions - Chelsea too.

Blogger slarrow November 22, 2016 12:14 PM  

Fringe benefit of this announcement: the headline on Breitbart is currently "BROKEN PROMISE: Trump 'doesn't wish to pursue' Clinton email charges". That helps put to rest the claims that Breitbart was going to be (snicker) the "government press", allegedly in a way that would distinguish them from NBCABCBSCNNMSNBCNYTWP under a Democratic administration. It also provides distance from the Bannon=alt-right narrative the press has been pushing.

Cernovich said the other day that at the highest levels, there are always two games: the game you see, and the game you don't see. This move smacks of playing the game we don't see.

Juxtapose this with Trump's slam of the media yesterday, and it's clear he knows who his future enemies will be. We should remember that too.

Anonymous Anonymous November 22, 2016 12:19 PM  

I would use this threat of prosecution to negotiate getting my agenda through congress, don't filibuster me or I will have your presidential candidate thrown in prison for her crimes against the American people. This would be absolutely devastating to their party. Maybe he is working this behind the scenes.

Blogger Syrian Fire November 22, 2016 12:20 PM  

We live in an excitable age, so there aren't a lot of people who understand and respect hidden strategy at work.

Anonymous Sharrukin November 22, 2016 12:20 PM  

If Trump is going back on what he campaigned on, which may or may not be the case here, then it is better we all know sooner rather than later.

This is a risky move because Trump doesn't have the GOP in his corner and he is fighting the press, the elites, and the left. Alienating his popular support wouldn't leave him with much clout.

I am hoping that Trump simply wants to head off an Obama pardon.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 22, 2016 12:21 PM  

Or the Scott Adams strategy of not being the monster being played out for now.

Blogger OGRE November 22, 2016 12:21 PM  

Its just smart tactics. If he wants to go after them, he doesn't need to lift a finger; just let the FBI and Justice Dept. do their thing and stay out of the way. If Sessions becomes AG all he has to do is say that there is enough evidence to warrant a special prosecutor, have one appointed, then let them get to work. Given that there are still several open investigations into the Clintons, I'd give it pretty solid odds that we'll see a special prosecutor.

So if that's what you're thinking will happen, then why give the Clintons fair warning? Let them think nothing is coming, then just don't do anything when the AG wants a special prosecutor. It will be real easy for Trump to just say "I'm not going to interfere in a criminal investigation." He looks magnanimous and above the fray, and everything the FBI has on the Clintons gets put out to view.

And lets be clear, having the Clintons locked up in jail isn't the goal here. They are old and frail and don't have much longer on this earth, judging by the looks of them. Having them while away in some minimum security day care for a few years is ultimately meaningless. And they might very well be dead of 'natural causes' before a judgment and sentencing could be rendered.

The goal is, however, the utter destruction of their legacy. Let the world see everything the Clintons have done; let their followers and compatriots and hangers-on be judged accordingly. And give further fuel to the fires of cognitive dissonance burning in the hearts of the weak-minded left. And let the history books record how these people, through their greed and lust for power, have wreaked havoc on the welfare of the American people for the past 30 years.

Blogger VD November 22, 2016 12:22 PM  

Fuck that, this is some major cucked out bullshit.

Next stop amnesty.


If you're dumb enough to believe everything the mainstream media reports, you deserve to suffer from mood swings.

Blogger August November 22, 2016 12:22 PM  

I think investigations will become a tool of statecraft for his administration. The fundamental weakness of the D.C. crowd is that it is corrupt and operates on different principles. James Traficant went to jail because made his own party (Democrats) angry, without realizing he needed to negotiate access to the Republican power structure. The entire city operates like this, and often the most corrupt people rise high because they've got a whole crew of people who feel they've got them in their pocket.

Trump's incentives are fundamentally different from other politicians. He knows what MAGA means to him, and he will discard plans the second they fail from contact with reality in order to secure his goal.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2016 12:27 PM  

tz wrote:@2 exactly. The continual abject terror is a more brutal prison of the mind than camp cupcake.

Psychopaths don't feel that.

Blogger GmH November 22, 2016 12:29 PM  

PE Trump is playing possum. PE Trump often commented on the benefits of the "element of surprise."
PE Trump won't provoke the man-child currently on his farewell-trash-America tour such that the little one issues a pardon for the Crooked One.
Relax. Sit back.

Blogger Orville November 22, 2016 12:32 PM  

Trump is the master of the head fake, witness yesterday's press meeting. He is keeping everyone off balance because they don't know if he will zig or zag. There was an article linked on Drudge this morning, that was mostly lies and bitching about Trump, but they did admit one thing..."Trump is the most intuitive politician in American history".

Blogger CarpeOro November 22, 2016 12:32 PM  

Yawn. Those who pay attention only to what is in front of them in the moment are going to constantly be in the dark during this presidency. He isn't in office yet. Even when he is if you expect him to telegraph his move when it doesn't directly benefit him, you're going to be caught wondering what the hell just happened more than once.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair November 22, 2016 12:34 PM  

As I told a friend who was wetting the bed continuously on Election Night until I told him I wouldn't be talking with him until post election, wait and see. Maybe she gets prosecuted. Maybe she doesn't. At least she isn't POTUS elect.

"There are guys whose lives have been ruined for honest mistakes regarding Controlled Information. There are others that are doing hard time in Leavenworth for having done waaay less than she did.

I honestly believe she is single handedly responsible for the worst security breach in our country's history and I include the Rosenbergs there. And because she destroyed so much of it we won't know how much damage she did for a hundred years.

And if you honestly thought she was ever going to face the music for any of that you gotta find out how the world works."

@16 I agree with you on all of it, minus your last bit. A buddy who did three tours in Iraq said they used to have a saying, "Keep the corruption waist deep. In America it's ankle deep. Here in Iraq it's waist deep." Time will tell if she rises above the ankles or not. Having said all that, I'd love to see her pwned for 18 USC 1924. Had friends or myself so much as transmitted a class cable on an unclass system, taken class info out of a SCIF, or misplaced it (like one of Buck Sexton's colleague's did), we'd be finished.

"Wait and see. My guess is that this heads off a pardon. Jan 21st will be a different world."

@20 Acceptance of a pardon is, the fed courts have ruled, acknowledgement of guilt.

"The hilarious part is that I am certain none of the foreign Intel services could believe this was real at first.

I'm sure they all thought it was trick.

Electronic Warfare guys had to be looking at each other and saying, 'no way. Just...no way in fucking hell. I mean do we even report this bullshit? How stupid do the American's think we are?"

@24 I'm sure the SVR and MSS were awestruck at first too.

And GracieLou, if you're reading this, what side of Indy are on? Just curious. Northside myself (yeah yeah, insert obligatory northside joke).

"Fuck that, this is some major cucked out bullshit.

Next stop amnesty.

If you're dumb enough to believe everything the mainstream media reports, you deserve to suffer from mood swings."

@34 I'll one up it, Vox. To those crapping their Depends™ over everything the MSM reports, did you learn NOTHING from this election cycle??? Over 99% of what they report CANNOT be taken at face value. And to think, I'm only turning 30 (!) next month...sheesh...

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 22, 2016 12:35 PM  

The Clintons thrive by being the victimized r Schelling point.

Pity from the victorious K alpha heaps burning coals on their heads.

Anonymous BGKB November 22, 2016 12:40 PM  

If Trump is going back on what he campaigned on, which may or may not be the case here, then it is better we all know sooner

The problem with emails is the media has been obfuscating the issue for over a year even with the TV Shows started to promote her like Madame Secretary, many on the left confuse (((Mademe Secretary))) plot with, (((law & order) plot, with leftist lies, and actual reporting. But if a video comes out of Clinton going down for little Haitian girl cheese, most leftists will disassociate from the Clintons. Going after her for email, most leftists would still cry sexism.

Acceptance of a pardon is, the fed courts have ruled, acknowledgement of guilt.

Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich

Blogger Wanderer November 22, 2016 12:45 PM  

VD wrote:If you're dumb enough to believe everything the mainstream media reports, you deserve to suffer from mood swings.
I'm arguing from the perspective that there is truth to these claims and that Trump made that call. If it's another media hoax, then there is nothing to discuss and there's no point even making a post about it in the first place. Meta discussions about how the media is trying to fuck with him is pointless because all there is to say is that, well, they're fucking with him. There's no particular sophistication to it.

Blogger Sagramore November 22, 2016 12:45 PM  

Yes, there are two games, as Shillary herself said, one is called the public position and the other the private position.

Blogger Sagramore November 22, 2016 12:46 PM  

He's a pot-smoking hippie though. I didn't know Rogan rips off Pot TV.

Blogger Duke Norfolk November 22, 2016 12:47 PM  

OGRE wrote:Its just smart tactics. If he wants to go after them, he doesn't need to lift a finger; just let the FBI and Justice Dept. do their thing and stay out of the way.

Yep, and then he looks magnanimous and not vindictive, while respecting the rule of law and the "American Justice System" and all that.

Let's not spaz out folks. This isn't your normal politician here (obviously, but it appears that some have to be reminded of that repeatedly).

Anonymous Sharrukin November 22, 2016 12:48 PM  

42. BGKB

"But if a video comes out of Clinton going down for little Haitian girl cheese, most leftists will disassociate from the Clintons. Going after her for email, most leftists would still cry sexism."

This is what I HOPE Trump is doing. Give the witch a pass on the obvious Email scandal and nail her and many others on the as yet relatively unknown child sex ring.

If Obama gives a general pardon to Clinton for the Email scandal that would I believe ALSO shield her on the pedophile issue.

So signal publically that no presidential pardon is needed and then invite her and associates to a 'Red Wedding'.

We shall see.

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice November 22, 2016 12:50 PM  

Donald Trump will not pursue any investigations into his former political rival Hillary Clinton "for her use of a private email server and the Clinton foundation."

So Trump won't pursue, but that says nothing about DOJ, FBI, etc. Furthermore, by specifying the items that won't be investigated, that means everything else is on the table.

Also, by making/leaking such a statement, I expect the Clintons will be living it up ("we got away with it again!"). People who believe they're invulnerable make stupid mistakes, so just wait: good things come to those who wait.

Blogger Keyser Soze November 22, 2016 12:52 PM  

Guys, its simple, her, Bill, the ugly kid, CGI and all the off shoots and any workings with team Satan (soros) have to fade rather quickly away. And permanently. It's full on retirement or AG Sessions gets the go ahead. This might actually be more damaging to the democrats. Nothing to rally around. A big friggin hole that used to be the clintons and that's a big hole!!!

Blogger pyrrhus November 22, 2016 12:56 PM  

I've been involved in many lawsuits, and leverage is something that you never give up without getting something for it. Trump's move is incomprehensible, and it would be best if it could be walked back as far as possible.

Blogger Bill November 22, 2016 12:57 PM  

This CANNOT get tagged with "Witch Hunt" (even though, I believe, it's literally what it is). This will be the other side's strategy, to say that Trump is just going after political enemies. Anything that deflects the Witch Hunt charge is something we should embrace. I think Trump's play here is really, really smart. Publically say she's a great person, heck, say that EVERYTHING is just dirt from her political enemies, etc, etc. But let the investigation keep going. When "new revelations" come out - hammer time. And, even then, I wouldn't go after Hillary. Go after her foundation, and Chelsea, Podesta, etc. Hillary will get her due, have faith.

Blogger Kristophr November 22, 2016 12:57 PM  

This will work out just fine. If the Clinton machine and Soros cause trouble, Trump can always release the hounds later.

Blogger kurt9 November 22, 2016 1:00 PM  

There is an advantage to not prosecuting the Clintons. All of the evidence of everything they did is no longer relevant to a criminal case and can now be made public knowledge. This means anyone who wants to sue them (civil case) will have plenty of legal ammunition to do so. In addition, pleading the "5th" is not an option in civil cases as well. There are a great many people who have been wronged by the Clintons and their best recourse is to sue them for damages.

Anonymous John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project November 22, 2016 1:00 PM  

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"Xir's here, My Lord!"

The Pizza Guild mediavator pulled into the Throne Room in his sleek, butt toy-like hovertrain, followed by a bevy of rubber-gowned, multiply pierced attendants.

"The Conway bitch must leave us!" xirfully barked the skull-pierced translator.

"We are now alone," smirked the Emperor as she glided out. "You may continue."

"Padishah Emperor Donawld I, we are concerned with the consumption of Salt. We see plans, within plans. You must share!"

The inscrutable autocrat proceeded to reply with a disingenuous smirk. "I have sent House Hillarkon word that they are to be relieved of all liability before the Landsraad for their traffic in heart plugs and Haitian kittens. Meanwhile, Duke Paul of the House of Ryantes believes he will be immune once he agrees to fund my Energy Wall. However, my embedded Assangekar Storm Troopers know what is on his servers too. Once House Hillarkon was been hanged for treason, I will begin to feed the disloyal opposition in the Landsraad to their fate in Sing Sing Secundus. Meanwhile, the Space Melatonin I have feed into your-- your, space butt plug train is making you very forgetful, and very very sleepy . . ."

It was as the Padisha Emperor suggested. As his Spacenaz carried off the Mediator's aides to their cells, the floating drool warrior found his botoxed eyeballs becoming very very heavy. He would be escorted back to his ship and Folded back to Postlaxu, where he would dutifully report the Emperor's disinformation . . .

Anonymous Tipsy November 22, 2016 1:03 PM  

If I were Trump, and really wanted to bury the Clintons, I'd keep my powder dry for Chelsea. She's as corrupt as her parents, but still has the potential to run for office. Her parents are one foot in the political grave - no sense going after them.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer November 22, 2016 1:05 PM  

No doubt clinton deserves prison. But a pardon by obama wouldnt bug me.....that much. It would take the issues out of Trumps hands leaving him the political capital to use else where. A pardon would insure the cunts legacy as one of the most evil political operatives ever.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable November 22, 2016 1:08 PM  

@6. The dogs finish Jezebel.

This.

Blogger cheddarman November 22, 2016 1:09 PM  

Hillary is a sick, old hag. Prosecuting her at this point would make Trump look like a vindictive bastard, and let the media rehabilitate her as a kindly old granny being persecuted by an SOB.

Blogger Fred November 22, 2016 1:12 PM  

I wonder if this is the first lie of many. dont forget VD, he repeatedly said he would prosecute her. I guess we will only know for sure after he is President. Perhaps Obama already told him a full pardon is on tap..but how? she hasnt been charged with anything.

Anonymous trev006 November 22, 2016 1:14 PM  

I would like to see Hillary go to prison- but that may simply not be possible, if only because of Obama's pardon.

Hit her staff. Hit Chelsea for embezzlement. Obama can't possibly pardon them all without confirming the CF is a criminal sham. Then hit Hillary as all her "friends" desperately try tossing her under the bus.

I mean, after everything Trump has done, only the truly stupid believe he will accept a thousand sham pardons just because Obama issued them. Like he accepted the birth certificate, right?

Blogger kurt9 November 22, 2016 1:14 PM  

cheddarman wrote:Hillary is a sick, old hag. Prosecuting her at this point would make Trump look like a vindictive bastard, and let the media rehabilitate her as a kindly old granny being persecuted by an SOB.



Absolutely. Note his comment about healing.

Besides, Trump announcing that he does not want to prosecute, AT THIS TIME. makes him look like the big monkey, very presidential.

Blogger Jack Ward November 22, 2016 1:15 PM  

Not read the comments yet. I would not be surprised if he wanted Obama not to pardon her then, after Jan 20 he 'discovers' her transgressions are far more damning than he originally thought. Hee, hee.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 22, 2016 1:17 PM  

Words. At this stage it is all words. Let him troll the MSM.

Maybe it is a head fake to get Obama away from a pardon.

I shall wait until Trump is sworn at then we will see. Then, action is expected on a priority basis.

I admit not liking the statement but Trump is not POTUS yet.

Blogger Donald Nourse November 22, 2016 1:20 PM  

It's just my belief that this would be a circus. It also establishes bad precedent. Move on and get the ball rolling on what's really important.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir November 22, 2016 1:26 PM  

Like I said a year ago: Trump's no outsider.

Blogger Lazarus November 22, 2016 1:34 PM  

Trump meeting with NYT being live-tweeted at ZH

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 November 22, 2016 1:34 PM  

He's not President yet. He cannot do a damn thing about the Clintons until he is.

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 22, 2016 1:36 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Words. At this stage it is all words. Let him troll the MSM.

Maybe it is a head fake to get Obama away from a pardon.

I shall wait until Trump is sworn at then we will see. Then, action is expected on a priority basis.

I admit not liking the statement but Trump is not POTUS yet.


Everyone thinks it's a head fake to stop the pardon, I think it is a little more subtle than that.

Remember the FBI and DOJ control most of the evidence at this point and they are still under the thumb of Obama. If Trump starts making overt comments about an investigation Obama and the embedded Clinton machine in each of those departments will go to work shredding and burning as much evidence as possible. I believe Trump might be making a play to try and ensure that evidence is not put on the top of the priority list for destruction.

Blogger Lobo Util November 22, 2016 1:38 PM  

It would be fascinating if they went after her minions and put all of them in jail. After all, a bunch of them DID sign the papers saying they had received their annual review of security procedures. If they lied to the FBI, then their immunity is gone. Fun, fun, fun!

Anonymous Just another commenter November 22, 2016 1:39 PM  

@24 - Yes, indeed. I expect that the Clintons will try to play the "we were really double-secret triple-agents feeding them bogus info, and we were really using this OTHER server for our REAL emails and coms that was really tots secure even against NSA snooping, and we really did turn over copies for the archives... Yeah, that's the ticket. We has a different secure server that we cleaned regularly with the right kind of cloth..."

Verily, the mind doth boggle.

Anonymous WS November 22, 2016 1:39 PM  

Hillary's not going anywhere (except maybe the grave; in that case who cares). Let the foundation investigation run its course. In the meantime, Trump should spend his political capital on more critical issues that could have the quickest return. Loosen up energy regs (creating jobs, lowering cost of energy), enforce immigration laws (deporting criminals, harden the border), cut taxes, etc. Once people start to see and feel positive results from these initiatives his popularity will skyrocket and he'll have nearly free reign to complete his agenda as advertised.

Starting off with pushing for prosecution for a former political rival (no matter how well deserved) just isn't the best way to kick off his administration.

Anonymous My Take November 22, 2016 1:44 PM  

If you recall, Nixon had no charges against him when Ford issued his pardon. I will tell you again, this man must remain totally inscrutable to all but the most trusted inner circle until the inauguration is done. I believe that all statements and or movements made between now and then will be looked back on with amazement and wonder by the majority of our witless bystanders.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 22, 2016 1:45 PM  

There are all kinds of good reasons for Trump to play nice until he has Presidential powers.

Another interesting facet to this is that Obama recently announced that he couldn't pardon Hillary, since she has yet to be charged. Obama is either ignorant of the extent of his powers or he's lying. Andrew Johnson famously issued a blanket pardon to Confederate veterans even though they hadn't yet been charged with crimes; Obama has the power to issue a comprehensive pardon to Hillary for any and all crimes committed in the jurisdiction of the United States prior to the date of the pardon.

Blogger JCclimber November 22, 2016 1:46 PM  

I wouldn't believe a single thing that MSNBC reported, on any topic, unless a direct quote is provided with accompanying video.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor November 22, 2016 1:50 PM  

@64 The worst precedent that can be set is to allow elected leaders to be above the law. Congress is supposed to be the first line of defense against executive tyranny, and for a long time now they have been failing in that duty. Even if they didn't have the votes for impeachment, I would argue that it was their duty to avoid funding a lawless regime.

Anonymous The OASF November 22, 2016 1:53 PM  

@74

"...unless a direct quote is provided with accompanying video."

Haha... apparently you have never seen the Anderson Cooper "green screen" video as he breathlessly covered Sandy Hook.

Never underestimate what they can and will try and get away with.

Blogger Dave November 22, 2016 1:55 PM  

Clinton will be pardoned. This announcement is just to keep Obama from doing it, that's all.

Anonymous Francois November 22, 2016 1:57 PM  

What we are learning about trump is that you can't trust him and his word means nothing. It's becoming clear that anything he said to get your vote was a charade.

He is also discovering he has no Trump Caucus.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 22, 2016 2:02 PM  

"Healing division" and "Evil crazy Trump McNasty sore winner hitting a girl" are the two lines Obamedia would need to sell the pardon.

Anonymous Andrew E. November 22, 2016 2:04 PM  

Whatever the full extent of the Clinton crimes are may engulf half of Washington DC. Perhaps Trump waits until he gets in office, gets his people in position and then uses his leverage against Congressional members to get is 100 day agenda through Congress before lowering the hammer.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents November 22, 2016 2:07 PM  

@78 Francois

You still here? On your own time?

Blogger beerme November 22, 2016 2:07 PM  

If he goes after the Clintons for the e-mail server and Clinton Foundation it looks like Banana Republic shenanigans, but if he dismantles everything based on a ring of child abusers it becomes justice. Justice that just happens to eviscerate their legacy and gut their network of donors and former allies.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 22, 2016 2:08 PM  

@73

"There are all kinds of good reasons for Trump to play nice until he has Presidential powers."

That is true, and why it was understandable when he said that we owe Hillary "a debt of gratitude" right after being elected. Graciousness in victory is after all, obligatory.

However, substantively, there's no merit to the statement. As a general rule, I don't believe the public owes ANYBODY gratitude for the pursuit of political office and the power and perks that accompany it.

In this specific case, we are dealing with somebody who is quite possibly the single most corrupt, contaminated and unqualified person to run for POTUS (Obama is either first or second). She is either the "crooked Hillary" who compromised national security, who lied incessantly or she's "good people". If she is crooked Hillary, she and her supporters merit contempt, and she merits prosecution.

There should have been no statement on the matter. This is an unforced error, that infuriates Trump supporters who don't play Boxer to his Napoleon and effectively precludes acting on prosecution. This is an extraordinary bad breach of promise.

I note that Breitbart had this its headline this morning, entitled with the words broken promise.

Blogger SemiSpook37 November 22, 2016 2:12 PM  

@80

Given the shit people are finding out about going on at those pizza joints, it's a master stroke to give these idiots enough rope to let themselves hang.

I think Vox made mention of it in late October or just before the election: the looks on the faces of the Trump family were ones of subtlety, as if they knew there was more going on than they were letting on. I'd say that's a legitimate assessment, and this action's just keeping with the current tactic of keeping the power dry. This isn't over by a long shot.

I just want to see Donald, Jr. go off when the word is given. That shit will be hilarious.

Blogger SteveK November 22, 2016 2:14 PM  

Hillary supporters are full of fake outrage "WTF is going on here, he promised!"

Anonymous Cuckservative window licker on the short bus November 22, 2016 2:15 PM  

See, I told you so! He's a stalking horse for the Clinton's! He's going to throw the Electoral College vote to her so she'll be President. Jeb Bush would have done so much better!

Blogger darkdoc November 22, 2016 2:16 PM  

While I can't say Trump may wish to be magnanimous, he actually is much more a consummate deal maker. I can't imagine he makes a statement like this, if true (and I really don't take Mika and Morning Joe as reliable sources), without a negotiating goal in mind.

Plus, he crapped on the press just yesterday, why would they not respond with a lie story intended to complicate things for Trump?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 2:19 PM  

@82

Some future date:
"Well, we aren't prosecuting on the Clinton Foundation but we have been looking into other matters and find that trails keep leading back to the Foundation. So we'll just have to subpeona everyone involved and we expect the Canadian government's full cooperation in this matter".

There's lots of ways to skin a cat. Trump just pumped up liberal amygdala by calling out the swamp-media on their lies, now he calms liberal amygdala with this leak. Push-pull at work.

Anonymous Anonymous November 22, 2016 2:20 PM  

"Trump says 'no' when asked if he is taking investigations off the table for the Clintons, @maggieNYT"

URL, or it didn't happen.

And I'm not saying that to be a pest. I'd like it to be true. I am having no luck finding an actual Twitter post by @maggieNYT to that effect, however.

--Erich Schwarz

Anonymous Instasetting November 22, 2016 2:21 PM  

I would telegraph my punch in forty point type.

"Clintons will be tried, bankrupted, and imprisoned to the full and rigorous extent of the Law."

I suspect Trump is a bit smarter than me.

Blogger JCclimber November 22, 2016 2:24 PM  

Don't any of you think in terms of long range strategy? Seriously, is it so hard to picture not just the first week in office, or even the first 100 days?

Have an anonymous "source" drop a hint. Given that the Trump inner circle doesn't seem to ever play the game of leaking truthful comments and revealing solid strategy to the lying press, you should be very skeptical of this "source".

Then, later, Trump can say that HE never said anything, it was just the lying press taking liberties.

Meanwhile, all the idiot feminists (but I repeat myself) can calm their amygdalas down a notch.

The Democrats run on pure emotion and fear. Their leadership is tapping into that power source right now to get money, time, and more power. It's like the Cuckservatives and their fake concern about stopping abortions (while never taking any actions that will stop a single abortion).

So Trump is draining the Democrat power source, at least one of them. But without revealing his strategy, nor even directly committing himself to that path. Genius. The Clintons are well aware of this and will continue to be on pins and needles the rest of their miserable lives. All it would take is one little "discovery" in the archived back up emails from Weiner's laptop, and presto- new charges can be brought.

A few months later, a special prosecutor can be appointed who will slowly grind away at the elite Democrat leadership, forcing them to concentrate on saving their own asses right when they would rather be fighting the building of the wall and the strangulation of the Sanctuary cities.

Blogger Hobgoblin1975 November 22, 2016 2:27 PM  

I learned a long time ago ,nothing is ever as good or as bad as it first appears. That being said, this looks pretty goddamned bad, if true, this isn't mercy, its weakness. Leftist are bullies, they have to be treated like bullies. There is no being nice to bullies you have to clobber them.

Anonymous Alexander November 22, 2016 2:39 PM  

Let's look at what Trump has done.

As president: Nothing yet. Another 60 days. People freaking out like he's in the oval office and signing executive cucks. Not happening, folks, believe me.

Lots of things he's said, hinted at, been said to have said... who cares.

What's he done, the only thing he has done, is nominate Jeff Sessions for AG. That is the one cold, hard fact we have thus far.

And that's a first pitch home run in my book.

Trump is going to let these liberals relax a bit, bring their amygdala down to a level approaching comfort... and then he's going to give them an electric shock that might even make Mike Pence suggest he's going a little too heavy on the voltage.

Blogger Baelzar November 22, 2016 2:55 PM  

Never do an enemy a small injury. I wouldn't leave an intact Clinton nor Clinton ally behind me.

Blogger OneWingedShark November 22, 2016 3:06 PM  

Alexander wrote:What's he done, the only thing he has done, is nominate Jeff Sessions for AG. That is the one cold, hard fact we have thus far.

You're wrong: Sessions, or any other senator, should not be nominated to the AG. -- The Senate openly engaged in Treason when they passed the Iran Deal (98-1; Boxer abstaining, Cotton 'nay').

The choice for them to retain sanctions, which are in-place because of Iran's place on the official "state sponsors of terrorism" list, which means they acknowledged, accepted, and intentionally retained an official state of enmity with Iran (it's also arguable that we are officially in a state of war with Iran via the AUMF [against terrorism] and the courts acknowledging/recording Iran's involvement w/ 9/11). (10 pg PDF)

The legislative exemption from arrest specifically/explicitly excludes treason, so you can't legitimately argue that senators are exempt from treason.

OpenID aew51183 November 22, 2016 3:11 PM  

People need to follow the links when they read stories like this.

I clicked through the links cited on these news sources and it's a 30 second clip in which MSNBC has a quote on a black screen from "sources"

This is media-ese for "we made this shit up".

Did you think Trump's electoral victory would put an end to the #GamerGate tactics?

He just held an off-record conference where he cursed-out the media personalities in person and called them liars to their faces. They're salty and will do anything they can to make him "pay" for refusing to kiss the ring.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 22, 2016 3:15 PM  

Deplorable S E Delenda wrote:There should have been no statement on the matter. This is an unforced error, that infuriates Trump supporters who don't play Boxer to his Napoleon and effectively precludes acting on prosecution. This is an extraordinary bad breach of promise.

There is no fucking statement. Dear God how thick are you?

Anonymous Just another commenter November 22, 2016 3:25 PM  

Of course, he'd never say anything like that, have his friendlies in the DOJ and FBI watch how co-corkers react, and then find a reason to silo or fire anyone that thinks it was the right thing to do on the merits of the case. I mean, he's way above doing anything so underhanded, right? And nobody in the departments would ever read this comment and totally overcompensate and protest too much the other way, giving him cover to prosecute anyway... Yeah, it's all totally transparent, no possible multiple levels of public and back-room events and conversations going on all at once. Nope. Not a chance.

:-)

Blogger Cail Corishev November 22, 2016 3:39 PM  

He can't do anything for two more months. He has nothing to gain by telling them he's coming for them and giving them two months to prepare and preemptively attack, but he does have something to gain by letting them think maybe they're safe.

Two months from now, we have no idea how much more will have come out of PizzaGate. We don't know how much he knows about the NYPD investigations, or whether people at the FBI have already told him they're ready to move on an investigation that was squelched because everyone thought Hillary would win and take their heads. There have been hints that he's known about the Clinton/Haiti/trafficking connection, at least, for quite a while, so he's clearly able to keep things to himself until the right time.

A lot can change in two months, and there are still a lot of things we don't know. The crowd-sourced investigation will continue regardless, and when it connects enough of the dots, it may not be up to the president to decide what happens anyway.

Blogger pyrrhus November 22, 2016 3:41 PM  

It now makes some sense...Kellyanne Conway went off the reservation. I could never see the master dealmaker giving up something like this.....

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 22, 2016 3:44 PM  

@73. Noah B The MacroAggressor November 22, 2016 1:45 PM

"Andrew Johnson famously issued a blanket pardon to Confederate veterans even though they hadn't yet been charged with crimes ..."

What crime was that? The soldiers were called to arms by their respective and duly elected State governments. The Confederate soldiers were no private armies and they were fighting for their independence.

There was nothing to be pardoned for.

The courts would have been tied up in a losing battle even to this day.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 22, 2016 3:46 PM  

@94. OneWingedShark November 22, 2016 3:06 PM

Time to normalize diplomatic relations with Iran and throw Saudia Arabia into the Persian Gulf.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 3:54 PM  

@98
The crowd-sourced investigation will continue regardless, and when it connects enough of the dots, it may not be up to the president to decide what happens anyway.

This is the part that the swamp press just doesn't get. #GamerGate gave a lot of borderline aspies a big, personal, chew toy to grind away at, and then the election came along & more joined in on the chew toys.

Wikileaks is like a big puzzle with missing pieces inside of a text base adventure game, no way that the basement-dwelling ugly friendless losers with no girlfriend can pass that up. Finding traces of very messy pizza in Wikileaks levels the game up to something maybe more like meme-shooting version of Doom.

They won't stop. They can't be bargained with. They have no remorse. The crowdsourced investigation will go on no matter what. It's not the 90's. The media can't go total coverup and make it work, the way they did with Vince Foster, Waco, and other things.

By the time this is done, some politicians and journo-lists may be begging the cops to arrest them, to put them somewhere safe.

Anonymous RA November 22, 2016 3:57 PM  

Remember Trump was a very good friend of Bill. Maybe still is. Bill was a member of that tony country club Trump owns in Westchester. Maybe still is. So it would definitely not be hard for Trump to get in touch with Bill on the down low.

Where am I going with this? For Trump to say no prosecution has to mean there is a quid pro quo he is expecting from the Clintons. Dunno what it is, but you can be sure there is one.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 22, 2016 4:05 PM  

@96.

Apparently not as thick as you.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/22/kellyanne-conway-confirms-trump-doesnt-wish-to-pursue-hillary-charges/

Blogger Cail Corishev November 22, 2016 4:08 PM  

Isn't it about time that our first reaction to any news story that supports the Narrative is "It's probably made up"? How many times do they have to lie and twist things before we stop giving them any credence at all?

I don't assume that Trump said this, or that one of his people went "off the reservation" and said it. My first assumption is that someone said something that kinda sounded similar so it could be twisted into this, or that it's an outright lie. That's the safest bet when dealing with known liars.

Wikileaks is like a big puzzle with missing pieces inside of a text base adventure game

And it has the other element that makes it irresistible to the weaponized autists: people in authority telling them they can't (and shouldn't be allowed to) crack it.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 22, 2016 4:23 PM  

@105

Is this an outright lie?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/22/donald-trump-disavow-alt-right-groups/




Blogger Daniel November 22, 2016 4:25 PM  

Lol media bender!!! Go avatar trump!

Blogger Cail Corishev November 22, 2016 4:35 PM  

@106, I'm more interested in why you're so anxious to believe it -- and to have us believe it.

Blogger Bill November 22, 2016 4:44 PM  

I would like to point out that Trump just posted on Facebook;
"AS YOUR PRESIDENT, GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION WILL END - and the State Department will answer to YOU, the voters!"

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf

Blogger Reconquista Initiative November 22, 2016 5:29 PM  

I may be wrong about Trump and his intentions, but given Trump's performance over the past year, the only thing that I can add to this discussion that might be relevant is the following:

"War is a thing of pretense: therefore, when capable of action, we pretend disability; when near to the enemy, we pretend to be far; when far away, we pretend to be near.

Allure the enemy by giving him a small advantage. Confuse and capture him. ... Attack weak points, and appear in unexpected places.

These are the secrets of the successful strategist, therefore they must not be made known beforehand." - Sun Tzu

Let's keep this in mind concerning the Hillary affair. After all, I'm pretty sure that Trump has read 'The Art of War'...

Regards.
www.reconquistainitiative.com

Blogger JohnnyRidden November 22, 2016 5:30 PM  

It's pretty obvious why. No need to create a martyr. Arrest all the kingpin's underlings, but let the kingpin walk, to a life of shame and obscurity.
Besides which (for anyone that even glimpsed a hint of the Warring States period) he and Bill seem like they'd always be friends even if his wife was tried and convicted of greivous crimes against humanity in supporting South American coups all the time.
It's a bit of an Uesugi/Takeda relationship, and they only now finished their first war. (for those that haven't, it's a bit of a Patton/Rommel relationship)
Killary is also as the "kill list" would confirm, as much of a paranoid dictator as Stalin and Saddam before her. The best way to catch that sort, provided they aren't running the damn country (hurrah!), is to shut up and let them burn themselves down.
The DNC is imploding into itself at a lightning-fast rate even as they continue to project their confidence making the exact same mistake will assure them victory next time.

Common perception I've heard among ex-dems is that Tulsi Gabbard is going to be the next Sanders come 2020, while what the establishment wants are Chelsea or Kamala Harris.
Expect it to end in the exact same way, too.
tl;dr he said nothing about the REST of the foundation. Nor standing in the way of the FBI

#92 one funny thing I've seen that 1488ers, ARers, and even the cowpunching marxists have noticed about Trump is his bizarre ability to uncuck people willing to change.
Every damn time he met with a media or primary opponent in private they came out singing praises. Some might've been too deep in the kool-aid to make it stick (like Katy Tur) but for a short time they become total 'fangirls,' either gender.
This even extends to family, if you've ever looked up old Kushner family photos.
His brother looked like he should be teaching a Humanities course not running a business!

#102 I hope this signals the eternal return of the "Muckraker."
Sorely needed, especially after Michael Moore trashed and tarnished the meaning of the word.

also I have no idea why I can't quote people anymore, haven't spun by in quite a long time, but blogspot appears to have changed something on their end as I've always used the same ol' junky browser and had no problems before.

Blogger GFR November 22, 2016 5:48 PM  

My recollection is that during the campaign, Trump used to do things like this all the time. He sucks all the air out of the room and gets the media talking about the things that HE cares about.
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Who knows what his endgame will be? I believe he values loyalty - which would indicate that he will fulfill his campaign promises. But he's probably fencing with the democrat powers that be right now, and getting his supreme court nominee confirmed is more important than burning the witch.
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It really doesn't matter if obama pardons her - she has been selling influence for thirty years and now she is fresh out of stock. Some of the people who already paid "on account" will be wanting their money back, and the only leverage they will have will be evidence of MORE clinton crimes.

Blogger clk November 22, 2016 5:50 PM  

I think there is a lot to the so called Hillary corruption story and I suspect that now Trump is PE he has been told several bits of information that he didn't know when he was running that has changed his mind.

1. Benghazi -- that was a CIA op .. they knew there would be an attack and they intentionally undermanned the office to make it happen .. I don't think they meant for Stevens and Smith to die but it happens. They had the cover story that it was caused by a video to keep the network from going dark.. Hillary either knew about the op in the beginning or was intentionally kept in the dark until a few days later...but what ever happened there was not her doing ... Do you think the State department isn't used as cover for intelligence ?

2. The CIA uses the Clinton Foundation as a cover as well .. NGO and foundations can provide access to parts pf the world that regular intelligence cant. In the case of the CF, they also help identify what outside forces might be trying to influence the US. The NSA watches such activity, lets some of it happen, and uses the knowledge for their advantage.

3. The CIA actually used the Clinton server as a way to feed misinformation to our enemies -- leave an unprotected back door open into your house and let them steal what you want them to steal... classic CIA trick.

Thats why Trump isnt going to go after Clintons -- both of them have information that cannot be discussed in an open courtroom and thus a fair trial is not possible -- thus Trump plays magnanimous winner, Bill and Hillary retire to upper state NY and the charade of a government for the people, by the people is continued...

That is what I think ...

Remember.. there is nothing to be gained from going after Clinton now ... the election is over -- it would be phenomenally stupid for Trump to go after her now - it distracts him from the real objective governing ... The best thing for Trump's ego is to be the greatest president ever .. and I think he might get there... but you have to give it time.. relax .. if for no other reason is there is nothing, I mean NOTHING.. that anyone here can do to change the outcome...

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 22, 2016 6:02 PM  

@108

I don't care whether you believe it. I didn't ask you to believe it, I asked if it was a lie.

Now if you can dispute what is represented as a direct quote as inaccurate or improperly attributed, that would affect my perspective.

The floor is yours.

Blogger GFR November 22, 2016 6:05 PM  

@113.
I dissagree. The people are so used to having politicians lie to them that if Trump does it they will abandon him in droves. And the other side is NOT going to support him just because he let clinton go.
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We CANNOT continue to have a "two-tier" justice system. We need a show trial of hillary to put all the other democrat proto-tyrants back in their box. We wouldn't have to do any of this if they had sent bill to jail in the first place.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 22, 2016 6:13 PM  

@114, I didn't say they're always lying; I said they're known liars, so we should assume they're lying until proven otherwise. You're the one throwing out links based on "sources" and expecting us to believe them. Why? Are you such a sucker that you believe them, or do you think we are?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 22, 2016 6:35 PM  

@114
Are you seriously claiming that anything the swamp media bubbles up based on "unnamed sources" must ipso facto be True? It looks that way. Your truth detector is stuck on "assume MSM true" when it should be exactly the opposite.

"Trust, but verify" - Ronald Reagan

Blogger Chris Mallory November 22, 2016 6:43 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:The Senate openly engaged in Treason when they passed the Iran Deal

The site you are looking for is AIPAC.com/israelfirst

Anonymous bgkb November 22, 2016 7:34 PM  

That is true, and why it was understandable when he said that we owe Hillary "a debt of gratitude" right after being elected.

Without HilLIARy's willingness to put her nose to the grindstone (located in a 6y Haitian girls vajayjay) we would not have busted the largest blackmale ring in US history.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 22, 2016 7:50 PM  

"Trust, but verify" - Ronald Reagan

Things have changed, and he was too nice. Now it's, "Distrust until verified."

Anonymous Ironsides November 22, 2016 7:58 PM  

Just for a little wishful thinking:

Maybe Trump says he won't go after her for the email server or the Clinton Foundation because he has something else so damning that those are small beer.

"No, I'm not going to seek your indictment for shoplifting and bribery..."
"Whew!"
"...because you're going to be charged with murder and treason!"

Blogger Natalie November 22, 2016 8:02 PM  

The other angle here is that suddenly Breitbart is out for blood which knocks a chunk out of the "Breitbart is just Trump's propaganda arm" narrative.

Not bad for a day's work.

Blogger SirHamster November 22, 2016 8:16 PM  

Deplorable S E Delenda wrote:That is true, and why it was understandable when he said that we owe Hillary "a debt of gratitude" right after being elected. Graciousness in victory is after all, obligatory.

However, substantively, there's no merit to the statement. As a general rule, I don't believe the public owes ANYBODY gratitude for the pursuit of political office and the power and perks that accompany it.



You're not trying hard enough.

We owe Hillary a debt of gratitude for being a horrid candidate with too much hubris and incompetence to win the Presidency. We owe her for destroying all Democrat contenders who would have given Trump a harder time. Most deliciously, we owe her for creating sky-high liberal expectations of a broken glass ceiling, which unleashed an ocean of #Salt when Trump ascended to emperordom.

A grateful mindset, 'tis good practice for Thanksgiving season.

Blogger Basil Makedon November 22, 2016 8:27 PM  

@113 Nice story, perhaps VD can publish your next work of fiction. 8)

Granted, I certainly would LIKE to believe that our CIA is capable of such a grand deception, but there is no way that HRC would play that kind of game with her life long ambition to enslave us all onto her personal tax plantation.

I would also point out that going after her email server <> investigating the Clinton Crime Foundation.

IMHO if the Clinton's aren't ground into dust, that would be a mistake. The gangster behavior of the Clintons cannot be tolerated.

However, they can't be ground into dust if pardoned 1 minute before midnight before Inauguration Day. I'm feel pretty certain that Obama would pardon her if Trump was clear about prosecuting her, but might take his chances if he felt Trump was not going to do it. There are risks for Obama either way inasmuch as he is also culpable in her crimes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 22, 2016 8:30 PM  

Deplorable S E Delenda wrote:Apparently not as thick as you.
What is Kellyanne's official position with the Trump organization, now that the election is over?
What specifically did she say?
She did not say "Trump won't charge Hillary". She did not say "Trump will pardon Hillary".

She said Trump "does not wish to pursue charges against Hillary."

I don't want to butcher livestock, either, but sometimes I need to. I hate having to punish children. Sometimes it must be done.

This is not a statement from Trump. This is a guess from an associate about Trump's mood and how it will affect the DOJ.

Blogger SirHamster November 22, 2016 8:32 PM  

Basil Makedon wrote:However, they can't be ground into dust if pardoned 1 minute before midnight before Inauguration Day. I'm feel pretty certain that Obama would pardon her if Trump was clear about prosecuting her, but might take his chances if he felt Trump was not going to do it. There are risks for Obama either way inasmuch as he is also culpable in her crimes.

Good point there - if Trump is making noise about how great the Clintons are and that he won't persecute them, and then Obama issues a pardon ... the public starts wondering why the Clintons need a pardon when none seemed to be needed.

Destroying their legacy is more important than their individual convictions, and we haven't even ruled out the latter yet.

Blogger Lazarus November 22, 2016 8:41 PM  

SirHamster wrote:Destroying their legacy is more important than their individual convictions,

On the other hand, convictions would destroy their legacy on many more levels.

Blogger SirHamster November 22, 2016 9:05 PM  

@Lazarus

My point is that Trump's move improves the odds of individual convictions, even if it doesn't play out because Obama strangely pardons the "innocent" Clintons.

Anonymous test November 22, 2016 9:52 PM  

Obama can issue a pardon as a signed document that is dated and witnessed to be used only in the case of Trump going after Clinton.. she keeps it in her safe until needed.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 22, 2016 10:55 PM  

@123

Now that was good. Very, very good.

@125

Change your name to Nell.

Blogger Andy Texan November 23, 2016 12:10 AM  

Special prosecutors should be used as an unspoken threat against any of the polecats in DC who try to derail the legislative or administrative programs of the new President. How about that as a means to defang the snakes? Who up there lacks skeletons worth airing?

Blogger Technomad November 23, 2016 1:34 AM  

You all are assuming that Obama wants to pardon Hillary. From what I've read, the Obama and Clinton factions in the Democratic Party despise each other, and Obama might be delighted to see the Clintons as discredited as Nixon was after Watergate. And the Clintons have done so much corrupt stuff, a really good, honest AG and FBI boss would probably be able to find enough to send them both to Federal maximum security for the rest of their life, and maybe Chelsea, too.

Blogger Badger Brigadon November 23, 2016 1:59 AM  

Kellyanne Conway is not Trump.

In point of fact, she's not even really working for Trump anymore... His campaign is over, she is not part of the transition team.

When trump comes out and says he's not pursuing Hillary or the Clinton foundation, I will believe it. Until then, this is just a bunch of whiny pressmen trying desperately to exact vengeance for getting dressed down this morning.

Blogger rho November 23, 2016 2:40 AM  

Nigga, please. Clintons go scot-free. They ain't got no chili. The one Clinton offspring can send her sprogs to private school on simple interest. She won't run for president of her HOA.

You should only start paying attention when the Clintons acknowledge the secret black Clinton.

(Completely unacknowledged benefit of a Trump Presidency: we can stop caring about Bushes and Clintons wholesale.)

Anonymous Evolyn November 23, 2016 4:45 AM  

In the long term it avoids the Caesar problem by not setting a precedent and not tempting people to stay in office to avoid being sued.(see Roman history)

The problem occurred earlier on, by selecting a criminal for office and not prosecuting which is an Obama/Congress fail and ultimately the fault of the voters for choosing a lawless president.

As much as this grinds, Trump is doing the right thing here.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 23, 2016 8:44 AM  

You all are assuming that Obama wants to pardon Hillary.

It's not that. It's that Obama is surely tangled up in at least some of the Clintons' crimes, so he might need to pardon her/them to keep her/them out of court and not giving testimony.

If she'd won the election, it'd be simple: he pardons her, then she pardons him. It would look bad, but the media would provide cover, and it'd be better than jail. It's not so simple now, because are you going to pardon the Clintons and trust that they won't burn you just for giggles once they're immune?

So you're probably right that Obama doesn't want to pardon her. That's why Trump has to step softly, and not add anything to the pro-pardon side of the equation for Obama.

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