ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2016 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Sunday, November 13, 2016

Past and future identity politics

The SJW Narratives on race and society, as well as the Democrats' Rainbow Coalition, are ultimately doomed to failure because they are all predicated on a nonexistent People of Color vs Whites scenario that does not, and has never, existed:
Decades before Brown v. Board of Education ― the landmark 1954 Supreme Court case that found “separate educational facilities are inherently unequal” ― a Chinese family from rural Mississippi brought its own legal challenge to Southern school segregation before the Supreme Court.

In 1924, grade school students Martha and Berda Lum were barred from attending their local, all-white school because of their status as people of color. The family sued the school in an unprecedented but little-known lawsuit that made its way to the nation’s highest court.

A new book, Water Tossing Boulders: How a Family of Chinese Immigrants Led the First Fight to Desegregate Schools in the Jim Crow South, documents the family’s struggle for educational equality.

Although the Lums sought to fight racism against Asian-Americans and provide their daughters with access to a quality education, their lawsuit was itself rooted in pronounced anti-black racism. The Lum family brought the challenge because they didn’t want society to see their daughters as being in the same category as black students, or force them to attend the same institutions as black children.

The girls’ mother, Katherine, “knew that such a classification would have instantly disenfranchised her family,” the book says. “For Katherine to send her children to the colored school would be to yield to the trustees, to agree with them that her daughters were not worthy of the privileges afforded to whites.”
However, there is also an important lesson for the more cuckish conservatives here. Neither the various Asian identity groups nor Jews are actually on the side of Whites. They may have more characteristics in common with Whites than other identity groups, but they also have their own identities and their own tribal interests, which contradict White interests every bit as dramatically as other identity groups, and as the Lum case demonstrates, they will never hesitate to cast aside White interests in pursuit of their own.

Ironically, the Alt-White's fixation on Jews is not only somewhat misplaced, it actually understates the extent of the challenge facing Whites. The historical fact is that the Jews are not, and were never, unique in being an identity group capable of nepotistically exploiting a high-trust, high-altruism majority for their own benefit, they just happened to be the only group present in Western societies in sufficient numbers to do so. White Americans, and to a lesser extent, several European nations, as well as the Jews themselves, are currently in the process of discovering that various Asian identity groups, particularly the Han Chinese, are not only every bit as accomplished in this regard, but are considerably more numerous, and quite possibly more ruthless.

Various Asian groups are already driving out Jews from the elite universities originally created by and for whites, and the Chinese are now invading the Jewish power center of Hollywood in force. This is not an accident nor is it the usual corporate train wreck. The next step will be for Asians to begin replacing Jews in the media and in the Democratic Party elite; the Chinese-Hispanic political alliance is likely to be even more formidable than the historic Jewish-Black alliance.

This is why the Alt-Right is not going to fade away, but will gradually become more influential in the White Party, which is now the proper name for the Republican Party. The Alt-Right's conceptual models, which are based on identity rather than ideology, not only describe past and current events much more accurately than the mainstream alternatives, but also provide much more accurate predictive models.

Labels: , ,

181 Comments:

Blogger Timmy3 November 13, 2016 8:19 AM  

The Chinese in Hollywood are from China. Chinese corporations are buying out Hollywood film and television studios. They are not on the same page as the Chinese Americans. They want Hollywood to make movies according to China's Chinese sensibilities for China's market. Already, a recent joint Chinese and Hollywood panel suggested Chinese actors "learn about their country" except their country is the USA. Of course, maybe the Chinese are one and the same as you suggest. The idea that future Chinese American employment is under the thumb of the Chinese government and corporate interests is not going to work well ultimately.

Blogger Timmy3 November 13, 2016 8:23 AM  

As an addendum, Trump winning the White House as a former reality television host suggests the alt-right must be involved with media and culture to counter the MSM bias. I give credit to Instapundit for this suggestion.

Blogger ZhukovG November 13, 2016 8:24 AM  

@Timmy3

Identity > Culture > Politics

Chinese > Chinese-American > United States

Something like that anyway.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 8:24 AM  

The Chinese in Hollywood are from China. Chinese corporations are buying out Hollywood film and television studios. They are not on the same page as the Chinese Americans.

They will be soon enough. This is not the first step in the Chinese corporate expansion.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 8:26 AM  

As an addendum, Trump winning the White House as a former reality television host suggests the alt-right must be involved with media and culture to counter the MSM bias.

Unlikely, given how even a moderate like Cernovich is banned from Fox News. Do you seriously think anyone is going to fund a television show for the likes of Richard Spencer or me? They won't even do it for Milo and he is a legitimate media star.

I certainly don't.

Anonymous Broken Arrow November 13, 2016 8:32 AM  

It turns out that the Democratic Party was a paper tiger. Without Obama they have next to nothing. Look at the state legislatures, and the number of governors they have.

The news continues to get better too as of right now they are doubling down on calling everyone who didn't vote for Hillary racist as their strategy to win in 2020.

Blogger Fenris Wulf November 13, 2016 8:33 AM  

I live in a California college town, and the number of blacks and Mexicans is close to zero. This is because every affirmative action proposal is vigorously opposed by the state's large Asian population.

All these "POC" groups hate each other. That's a good thing.

Blogger Ron November 13, 2016 8:34 AM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing November 13, 2016 8:36 AM  

I think the Chinese in the United States will join with them, especially when positions, bonuses, etc. are available to them from the Chinese-owned corporations. If they act as I think they will, they'll support their own. Not only do a people wish to side with their own, they'll flock when there are material benefits as well. They have no reason to not be on the same page and no reason to side with us over them.

The Chinese might seem to be on our side between us and blacks, but they won't between us and the Chinese. These are circumstantial alliances between us at best.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 13, 2016 8:40 AM  

Jews had been uniquely positioned to exploit Whites because they look like us. Optics matter, and no Western nation would follow a ruling class composed of Chinese faces, should the Chinese aspire to displace Jews in their post-WWII seat.

This is vaguely analogous to one of the reasons why Eastern Europeans resisted Nazism -- the occupant was blatantly foreign -- but were mostly passive under Communism, with the Party, secret police, etc., being composed of members of the occupied nation.

PA

Anonymous roadrage November 13, 2016 8:40 AM  

My grandfather served aboard the USS Augusta on China Station prior to WWII(the first US warship to be bombed by the Japanese, 1938 I believe.) He HATED the Chinese to his dying day.Said many times that they were the most ruthless people on the face of the earth,and one day would be the most dangerous. And also they were about the most racist, he maintained. Never trust them.

Blogger Jake November 13, 2016 8:43 AM  

From what I've seen the Chinese have it in the bag already, what with their big name 'The Wall' movie being advertised. Mat Damon proving his sell-out status in the process.

Blogger The Observer November 13, 2016 8:44 AM  

" And also they were about the most racist, he maintained."

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Blogger Johnny November 13, 2016 8:44 AM  

It does appear that some groups retain their ethnic identity with greater resolve than others, and that us whites are fairly weak in that area. The semites, Jews and Arabs, stick together a lot, as do many oriental groups. On the face of it, it would seem to be cultural, although I am suspicious there may be some genetic basis for it.

Blogger Salt November 13, 2016 8:54 AM  

VD wrote:Unlikely, given how even a moderate like Cernovich is banned from Fox News. Do you seriously think anyone is going to fund a television show for the likes of Richard Spencer or me?
Not today, no. But if the winds that are beginning to blow continue to rise, I'd expect not a television show for the the likes such as you, but inclusion in what exists, definitely. Perhaps Mike Cernovich might replace Juan Williams on Fox's The Five.

Anonymous Roundtine November 13, 2016 8:58 AM  

China is corrupt beyond belief. They are a threat because unchecked immigration and terrible economic/trade policy allows China to all but colonize the United States (Canada, Australia too).

Blogger Matamoros November 13, 2016 9:02 AM  

In many old books one will find the Chinese referred to as "the jews of the orient" due to their taking commercial advantage of the other oriental groups throughout asia.

They do not assimilate any where but form a separate mercantile caste that sits above the native population, and generally keeps itself pure at the top, with some mixing in the middle layers to allay native animosity to them being an alien group.

Blogger Dave November 13, 2016 9:03 AM  

The mother's name was Katherine, the daughter's names were Martha and Brunda. So assimilation to an extent but when lumped in with blacks, the immigrants chose to take it up with the courts. When they lost the Supreme Court case they then left Mississippi. How unfortunate Mississippi lost out on the diversity this first or second generation immigrant family was attempting to provide them.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker November 13, 2016 9:05 AM  

Vox, if the Republican Party is now the "White Party," then what is the Democratic Party in Alt Right nomenclature?

Blogger Lobo Util November 13, 2016 9:07 AM  

2.  Timmy3
Don't any of you understand? This is reality TV. All the news coverage was edited for reality TV. Camera's will be in the White House. Rioters are part of the reality TV cast. This is all a setup for the biggest reality TV show ever:
AMERICA: The Trumpening.

When he is re-elected the name will become:
AMERICA: The Second Trumpening.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 13, 2016 9:10 AM  

There have been numerous instances over the years of Chinese working at US defense contractors to have sold secrets back to China. This kind of reversion of loyalty back to the homeland will become a larger problem everywhere as China continues to make economic inroads into the US.

Blogger 4499 November 13, 2016 9:13 AM  

@19 The Satanic Party.

Blogger Lazarus November 13, 2016 9:16 AM  

Dave wrote:The mother's name was Katherine, the daughter's names were Martha and Brunda.

Bet those are not the names on the Birth Certificates, and they won't be the ones on the tombstones.

Blogger Tex Longhorn November 13, 2016 9:18 AM  

The closer danger for Hollywood is Bollywood, their films are already playing in your local multiplexes and replacing highly regarded films on the IMDB highest ranked movies.

Blogger Dave November 13, 2016 9:26 AM  

"they won't be the ones on the tombstones"

Martha and Brunda would be nearing 100 years old if still alive. I'd say those tombstones already been engraved.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 9:28 AM  

what is the Democratic Party in Alt Right nomenclature?

The Not-White Party. That's what all politics in the USA are now. White vs Not-White. And there is a battle brewing inside the Not-White Party between Jews, quisling Whites, Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, and Muslims.

The rise of Keith Ellingson indicates that Blacks are still riding the support of the Jews and Quislings. That won't last long, as Asians have no patience for Black incompetence.

Blogger YIH November 13, 2016 9:29 AM  

Laura Wood has written extensively about (primarily) Chinese: The Model Minority.
Often dubbed such due to their entrepreneurship and their violent crime rates often being lower than Whites.
I'm not so sure about the Asian/Hispanic alliance however, they do rank Hispanics higher than Africans, but that's not saying much.

Anonymous roadrage November 13, 2016 9:34 AM  

@ The Observer. Of course its a bad thing- when its THEIR racism aimed at US. Now mind you, I'm not prejudiced in the least. I hate everybody.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative November 13, 2016 9:37 AM  

@14

"...although I am suspicious there may be some genetic basis for it."

You should read this:

https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/start-here/

She makes a very good argument that the invention of the nuclear family in NW Europe during the middle ages created selection pressure for less clannish behaviour.

Quote:

" europeans (especially europeans from the northwest corner of europe, minus the irish, scots, and welsh) have been avoiding close kin marriage since sometime in the early medieval period. these same europeans — “core” europeans — exhibit very low levels of nepotistic altruism and are oriented toward the commonweal rather than some form of extended family: their family structures are based upon the nuclear family rather than larger extended families or clans; corruption and nepotism are low; civicness is strong; and universalistic sentiments are strong. on the other hand, populations in the arabized world (the middle east, maghreb, mashriq, pakistan, and afghanistan), have been practicing close kin marriage since at least the time of mohammed and likely even longer. these populations exhibit very high levels of nepotistic altruism and are oriented toward the extended family or clan rather than the commonweal: their family structures are based upon the extended family and clan; corruption and nepotism levels are high; civicness is weak; and particularism, rather than universalism, is strong. i’ve come to refer to these sets of behaviors as clannishness."

Quote:

"in the case of europe, the church and secular authorities began to eliminate close cousin marriages in the early medieval period. since then, the general pattern seems to have been that the populations of “core” europe ... have rigorously avoided cousin marriage."

Blogger Johnny November 13, 2016 9:37 AM  

Matamoros wrote:In many old books one will find the Chinese referred to as "the jews of the orient" due to their taking commercial advantage of the other oriental groups throughout asia.

They do not assimilate any where but form a separate mercantile caste that sits above the native population, and generally keeps itself pure at the top, with some mixing in the middle layers to allay native animosity to them being an alien group.


The Jews are unique to Europe but not unique to the world. Everywhere there is a tendency for an ethnic minority to be the commercial class. In Black Africa it was both Europeans and people from India. South East Asia the Chinese, and in Europe it was the Jews. Back when we had an unsettled western territory it was White traders among the Indian population, and before the Jews locked up financial commerce in Europe it was Italian banking houses doing business in other countries.

In a way capitalism form is the null set for ethnic identity in that a capitalist in the pure form has no ethnic identity. That is why traders develop who do not identify with the local population. Better than the locals they can engage in commerce for pure profit.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 9:40 AM  

You should read this

Straight out of Fukuyama. The Origins of Political Order

Blogger YIH November 13, 2016 9:43 AM  

Roundtine wrote:China is corrupt beyond belief. They are a threat because unchecked immigration and terrible economic/trade policy allows China to all but colonize the United States (Canada, Australia too).
Ain't that the truth, all the tainted product scandals for one thing, as well as their tendency to cut corners whenever possible.

Blogger Zimri November 13, 2016 9:50 AM  

There are lots of books out (Gavin Menzies being notable) claiming that China discovered America first. The whole notion is laughable... except for the subtext, which is that the Chinese are claiming dibs on the New World.

Add to that, an actual fact, that Mesoamericans are the descendents of Siberian shamans, and you have a recipe for a new national myth, that doesn't include Europeans (or Africans).

Blogger wreckage November 13, 2016 9:51 AM  

Whites aren't an ethnic group, strictly speaking. We're a hodge podge of relatively diverse tribal groups and the lack of visible differences blurs identity politics. Irish tend to stick together for a few generations, same with Welsh, but eventually a Celtic lineage is impossible to distinguish from Gallic or Frankish or Norse. Even the relatively distinct Eastern Europeans are hard to tell after a generation or two, thanks to Celtic and Norse invasions eastward and larger migrations westward.

Language is also an issue; you can rate a bit of the "distance" in ethnic group affiliation by how related or intelligible their languages are. Even someone determined to integrate, who grew up speaking Chinese, is going to be isolated by the near impossibility of fluent and fluid English (and the same back the other way).

Race might drive the differences, but identifying it is done via visual and auditory cues; erase those cues (like between several of the old European lineages) and maintenance of the in-group becomes more difficult.

Blogger Johnny November 13, 2016 9:56 AM  

VD wrote:You should read this

Straight out of Fukuyama. The Origins of Political Order


Fukuyama points out three things

1) Tracing lineage exclusively from the male (or female) line helps retain tribal identity. If it was not in place already, Christians inherited the tracing of linage through only the males from the Jewish tradition. The church moved away from that.

2) Close cousin marriages or marrying a niece helps retain tribal identity. The church moved away from this as well.

3) Having inheritance be from male to male will usually lead to the property going from father to son or from father to father's brother. Female empowerment in inheritance often separated the property from the clan because the widow was likely to leave the property to the church. This was also church policy.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative November 13, 2016 10:02 AM  

@31

"Straight out of Fukuyama."

Okay. You've been recommending that book but now I think I need to read it.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti November 13, 2016 10:05 AM  

Along these lines, Ron Unz had an article a few years ago noting how Jews were overrepresented at the Ivy League, while Asians were stuck at a statistically-impossible-not-a-coincidence 25% of the student population. The article was nearly as instructive as the backlash from Jews in the media insisting that Unz was a self-hating anti-Semite.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 13, 2016 10:07 AM  

... the Chinese are now invading the Jewish power center of Hollywood in force.

When you look at Chinese, Korean or Indian films the theme that becomes apparent is unrelenting nationalism.

I wish the people of the Han nothing but luck in this new endeavor.

#NotMyHollywood

Blogger Orville November 13, 2016 10:14 AM  

Vox says, The Not-White Party. That's what all politics in the USA are now. White vs Not-White. And there is a battle brewing inside the Not-White Party between Jews, quisling Whites, Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, and Muslims.

Wreckage says, Whites aren't an ethnic group, strictly speaking.

I think the racial quickening now underway actually would tend to bring whites from different ethnic groups together in the US. The Anglos, Germans, Italians, Irish have been here long enough that the tribal and ethnic differences are pretty muted compared to the vast divide with the non-white groups.

The hope I see is that the Dem party may never coalesce into anything because it has too many different races. It would be easy to play their differences off each other.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey November 13, 2016 10:16 AM  

How many of The Ilk are married to Asians?

I bet it's a lot.

It would explain so much.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 13, 2016 10:17 AM  

How many of The Ilk are married to Asians?

I bet it's a lot.

It would explain so much.


Anecdotally, not that many

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey November 13, 2016 10:21 AM  

I've been warning about the Asian influx into the US for years, particularly in places such as Irvine, CA, here in OC.

According to a real estate broker friend of mine in Irvine, Chinese homebuyers consider Irvine to be the "head of the dragon" in their colonization of our communities.

This attitude of tolerance and veneration ("muh IQ!") of Asians that one finds in certain quarters of the Alt-Right needs to be eradicated.

Blogger Basil Makedon November 13, 2016 10:22 AM  

I will definitely add "Origins of Political Order" to the queue. I have low expectations, however, considering how wrong "The End of History" has turned out to be versus Huntington. It's received too many mentions, here, there and everywhere to ignore any longer.

Blogger Orville November 13, 2016 10:24 AM  

The Chinese are vastly different. My dad did a major favor for a Taiwanese owner of a chain of motels, and we were invited to their house here in the states for dinner.

Very nice house with traditional Chinese furniture, the meal was very fancy, nothing like the usual Chinese restaurant. I found it to be way more different than living in the home of a Salvadoran for a week I spent in El Salvador.

Blogger Johnny November 13, 2016 10:24 AM  

@39

Wreckage says, Whites aren't an ethnic group, strictly speaking.

I think the racial quickening now underway actually would tend to bring whites from different ethnic groups together in the US. The Anglos, Germans, Italians, Irish have been here long enough that the tribal and ethnic differences are pretty muted compared to the vast divide with the non-white groups.


Just to agree, I think that is self evidently what is happening. The relentlessly gaining support from non white groups is starting to consolidate whites as a race group. Their implicitly racist policies are producing racism on every side.

As far as race goes, you are a member of a race group if you self identify as such.

Anonymous AlexT November 13, 2016 10:29 AM  

Nuclear families and the avoidance of cousin marriage are from Roman law originally. One of many blessings the Romans bestowed on us.

Blogger Johnny November 13, 2016 10:34 AM  

AlexT wrote:Nuclear families and the avoidance of cousin marriage are from Roman law originally. One of many blessings the Romans bestowed on us.

It is the choice you make, strength in one area is weakness in another. The Arabs have a very strong tribal identity but only a limited ability to form larger unions. Islam helps to an extent, but nun the less they still fight with each other a lot and are not given to producing strong nations.

Blogger Johnny November 13, 2016 10:36 AM  

Basil Makedon wrote:I will definitely add "Origins of Political Order" to the queue. I have low expectations, however, considering how wrong "The End of History" has turned out to be versus Huntington. It's received too many mentions, here, there and everywhere to ignore any longer.

Having freshly read the book my review goes like this,

The thing is a long read and I found it tedious but did get through it. I thought his sweeping conclusions to be thin stuff. On the other side of it he does a really good job of cataloging the various different theories and observations that are available on the subject of how societies develop, and he makes a lot of very good lessor points along the way. It is a good read if you have enough interest in the subject. Otherwise not so much.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer November 13, 2016 10:39 AM  

Every article about the election out of the main stream media so far has called Trump a racist, sexist, homophobe as a statement of fact. Theybare going to be so surprised when they progressively lose each election by a wider margin.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 13, 2016 10:44 AM  

Nuclear families and the avoidance of cousin marriage are from Roman law originally. One of many blessings the Romans bestowed on us.

I'll grant you those two things, but apart from them, what have the Romans done for us?

Anonymous #8601 November 13, 2016 10:51 AM  

Agreed on the Chinks. I've maintained for some time that they are the biggest immigrant threat, by shear numbers alone. And not just in the USA. Canada just had a census. The results have not yet been released but I will not be surprised if it shows Asians are now a majority in Vancouver and probably Toronto.

Anonymous kfg November 13, 2016 10:54 AM  

@45 Johnny: ". . . you are a member of a race group if you self identify as such."

Rachel Dolezal agrees with you.

@49: "nun the less . . ."

As distinguished from mother superior.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2016 10:56 AM  

I have a couple of questions about the Chinese takeovers of Hollywood, etc.

Are these the Chinese from Taiwan and Hong Kong, or are they mainland Chinese?

Is there still a difference between those island Chinese and the mainland?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2016 10:57 AM  

If the Chinese are going to take over Hollywood, then maybe we can get an epic LOTR style set of movies of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms :P

Blogger pyrrhus November 13, 2016 11:00 AM  

O/T slightly, looks like Trump is going to abandon the entire climate hoax, and yank contributions to UN climate fund...http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-environment-20161109-story.html

Blogger dc.sunsets November 13, 2016 11:01 AM  

This is not the first step in the Chinese corporate expansion.

My fellow Americans pawned the entire country in order to fund the 35 year party.

Those who are subsequently obtaining title to America's land, plant & equipment, industries, patents, trade secrets, National Parks and everything in between come from many places, but the Chinese seem most likely to work as a single, easily identified block.

The consequences of the insanity exhibited by Americans these past 35-50 years simply cannot be overstated.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2016 11:08 AM  

@5 VD

Unlikely, given how even a moderate like Cernovich is banned from Fox News. Do you seriously think anyone is going to fund a television show for the likes of Richard Spencer or me? They won't even do it for Milo and he is a legitimate media star.

I certainly don't.
----

VD, do you think that in time there might be alternatives to the MSM style broadcast networks created by alt-right? The biggest I am aware of is Infowars, not that they are alt-right, but definitely fellow travelers. And AJ funds by selling products of his own, and not outside commercial interests.

Blogger Artisanal Toad November 13, 2016 11:09 AM  

Currently there is a racial attack on whites at the political level, an attack on the family at the philosophical and moral level and an attack on men at the moral level. They are all interwoven, interconnected and moved forward by the same guiding hand. For the Alt-West, it is the attack on men and family that is the most dangerous.

James Brundage's "Law, Sex and Christian Society in Medieval Europe" is just as important in understanding the history of western civilization as Gibbon.

The attack on men and the family began in the very early church with the teachings of the Nicolaitans, was developed by the church during the period of 350-400 and later, around 900, the target of the attack was the nobility. The church had the goal of becoming a large, powerful monolithic organization and their opposition was the nobility. The strategy of the church was to usurp the God-given authority of men concerning marriage and family in order to aggregate that authority to the church. By controlling sex, marriage and family, the church gained significant power over the nobility.

Tactics centered on redefining when marriage began and claiming marriage was only valid if done according to the dictates of the church. This was critical because without a valid marriage there were no legitimate heirs and no way for the heirs to inherit. Included in this was the requirement of consent on the part of the woman, (the father could no longer marry his daughter to the man of his choosing), a redefinition of allowable consanguinity in marriage, the claim that men and women were subject to the same standards of sexual morality and the invasion and regulation of the marital bed by the church.

The church claimed authority over every aspect of marital life and invoked the power of shaming by making the claim that sex was evil, disgusting and sinful. The Church claimed that even within marriage, unless it was done specifically within the prescribed times, places and even positions for the purpose of procreation, was a sin.

Keep in mind, this is not a Catholic v Protestant argument nor is it Catholic v Orthodox because starting with Ambrose, Jerome and Augustine (350-450) the false moral doctrine of "sex is evil" was laid down. With this came the doctrine that (contrary to the teaching of the Bible) men and women are held to the same standard of sexual morality. This doctrine was formalized between 500-650 and by 800-900 the all-out war on the nobility was in full swing. All of this took place before the great schism and long before the protestant reformation.

Following the protestant reformation, the state seized authority over marriage from the church and continued the usurpation of the God-given authority of husbands and fathers over women. With suffrage, women gained political power and the results are now apparent with unrestrained hypergamy and the war on men utilizing the power of the state through no-fault divorce and legal doctrines designed favor women.

The doctrines of the church that usurped the authority of men have been firmly rooted in the culture and this is extremely unlikely to change because almost all churchians and Christians are completely ignorant of what the Bible actually teaches about marriage and sexual morality. Not only are they ignorant, they have no desire to learn the truth because it contradicts their long-held beliefs.

This, ultimately, is where the battle for the Alt-West will be won or lost because if families can be destroyed at whim with impunity, so to can the nation be destroyed from within.

Blogger Shimshon November 13, 2016 11:09 AM  

Over at EPJ Bob is literally alone on the anti-war gambit. Every single commenter is basically calling him nuts for supporting Hillary (because purity of anarcho-capitalist arms) over Trump. War is the reason they all give. I'm hoping he'll throw in the towel, embrace the dark side, and start meming with us soon. He's read SJWAL. I suggested he read Cuckservative too.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2016 11:10 AM  

@6 Broken Arrow

It turns out that the Democratic Party was a paper tiger. Without Obama they have next to nothing. Look at the state legislatures, and the number of governors they have.
---

I wonder what the number of state legislatures in control of Repubs would be required to pass Constitutional Amendments - and how close are we to that?

Blogger Prez Davis November 13, 2016 11:11 AM  

It doesn't have to be TV. It could be a website w embedded yt vids (or vimeo if you get kicked off yt).

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 11:15 AM  

There is already an epic Chinese TV series running since 2010 on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms - called, of course, "Three Kingdoms". Most episodes are on Youtube.

Blogger Shimshon November 13, 2016 11:15 AM  

@60 Was it Vox who said that if they choose the Musloid to head the DNC they'll go with Magic Negro v2.0 in 2020. Figuring it worked so well the last time around. I can so totes see this. SJWADD. They do that and Minnesota turns red for sure.

If they were capable of understanding why they lost...well, then...they wouldn't be SJWs, would they?

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 13, 2016 11:15 AM  

The learned elders of Wye were planning on setting up their racket in China a decade ago. What's China's wealth going to look like when the Banana Empire finally defaults on the debt-bubble created by the Banksteins and fueled by the idiocracy? Despire the eternal spiel, shit really isn't gold and one would expect that the Han are aware of this at some level. I wonder if the Kosher-kolony in the land of the dragon has taken root or not.

As for Chinese traditional culture and the like, it's my understanding that this is largely destroyed in China proper thanks to Mao (who changed the language and writing system), the cultural revolution unleashed by Madame Mao and her pals, followed up by the rapid expansion of crony capitalism thereafter coupled with the utter pollution from the factories of Hollywood. Traditional Chinese culture apparently survives more in Taiwan. There could be a hunger for that which has been lost though.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 13, 2016 11:15 AM  

I wonder what the number of state legislatures in control of Repubs would be required to pass Constitutional Amendments - and how close are we to that?

You need 38, Republicans control 26.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2016 11:18 AM  

@15 Salt
Not today, no. But if the winds that are beginning to blow continue to rise, I'd expect not a television show for the the likes such as you, but inclusion in what exists, definitely. Perhaps Mike Cernovich might replace Juan Williams on Fox's The Five.
---

It's interesting when you look at what Blubberin' Beck did with The Blaze, and what Levin is doing with his Levin TV.

I predict Levin TV will be a fail, after his over the top screeching against Trump for practically a year. He was in the same league as Blubberin' Beck.

But the idea they are trying needs to be tested out, even if Becks is a flop.

I love a lot of the youtubers, like Still Report, Rebel Media, all the others - if they could be put together into a TV channel, it would be great!

Then again, for those of us who have cut the cord, this won't be enough to get me to buy a cable package again.

I really believe Infowars is on top of this element of things, as they have the ever entertaining Alex Jones, and then pretty much all his reporters are fun to watch in their own ways.

Blogger Prez Davis November 13, 2016 11:20 AM  

Also don't forget whites would pull together in terms of racial identity if we were minorities in their lands. It's already happening in the West, as demographics shift, nationalism rises.
But yeah, I suspect there's a genetic basis also, and I suspect that we Southerners have a greater genetic endowment of racial identity than nonSoutherners.

Blogger Nick S November 13, 2016 11:20 AM  

...the White Party, which is now the proper name for the Republican Party.

Good luck getting that to catch-on in our lifetime.

Blogger praetorian November 13, 2016 11:20 AM  

Laguna Beach Fogey wrote:How many of The Ilk are married to Asians?

I bet it's a lot.

It would explain so much.


In NorCal/tech, asian females are far more attractive. White women are unattractive, fat and surly. All an asian girl has to be is not overtly obnoxious and within 1SD of a healthy BMI to outcompete.

It usually doesn't work out well, from what I've seen.

Blogger Prez Davis November 13, 2016 11:23 AM  

Mud party.

Blogger praetorian November 13, 2016 11:23 AM  

"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer"

"Good luck getting that to catch-on in our lifetime."

Blogger Big Griz Reno November 13, 2016 11:26 AM  

I heard this decades ago. I can't vouch for it's accuracy but seems plausible. Jews traveled the whole world and retained their ethnic identity, save China. They were assimilated by the Han.

Blogger tz November 13, 2016 11:27 AM  

Identity is ideology.
Ideology is NOT identity.

They don't care that you are anti-racist

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 13, 2016 11:34 AM  

Going back to the exit polls and election results, whites would do well to note that Asians voted 2 to 1 for the Lizard Queen and the Darkey Party in general - even in tha face of 8 years of negro murders/rapes/beatings upon not only whites, but asians - even the elderly. Obviously 2/3 of them see whites as an enemy to be destroyed/enslaved along with most Mexicans, Jews, etc. As VD has noted often on these pages, diversity + proximity = violence. The 'model minority' argument is another fallacy - though it's much more believeable one the surface than the blatant idiocy of NABALT, NAJALT, NAHALT (all of these are reduced to IKAGO, or I Know A Good One over at Kersey's place).

Anonymous Enigma November 13, 2016 11:36 AM  

Yep. It's not a coincidence that the Chinese are highly represented in the financial elite of every country in Southeast Asia.

While Europeans were practicing colonialism, the Chinese were entrenching themselves in the economies of numerous countries.

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 11:36 AM  

As for the Chinese, assimilation and politics -
You lot need more experience. We have been dealing with the Chinese for a thousand years.
1- They do assimilate. Typically in East Asia they marry into the upper crust and form a layer of Chinese-mestizos. For an example (and there are a huge number of examples) consider the Cojuangco family. And those are, relatively speaking, newbies. Most of the Philippine upper crust has strong Chinese genetics though they are culturally separate from actual Chinese and identify fully as the upper crust of their adopted culture. You will see this pattern to a greater or lesser degree across East Asia depending on the degree of xenophobia of the host society. The Philippines being probably the least xenophobic. Recommended - Amy Chua, "World on Fire".
- re Chinese ability to organize AS an ethnic polity - they are simply no good at it. Loyalty is family based and does not cross that, which is why they are not good at long term corporate ownership. Chinese companies are based on individuals and collapse when the family falls into decadence. This applies to national strategy also. A lot of the US Chinese investment is capital flight from persons mistrusting the Chinese government. A good reason why European expats and businesses did well in East Asia is that they were able to run trustworthy impersonal institutions.
- the Chinese are also, personally, ridiculously easy to suborn out of whatever ethnic loyalties they may have. If its in their personal and family interest, they are yours. This is one reason why in no country have they, owning the economy essentially, actually run it, because they usually end up allying with native factions and opposing other Chinese.
Just a bit of experience. If you are going to run an enterprise of ethnic politics then you need to understand the others.

Blogger Tom K. November 13, 2016 11:37 AM  

That is what it is already.

Soon, even tiny community theaters are going to be able to produce studio-quality programming and distribute it worldwide on the internet.

And the Chinese practice of pirating everything the moment it premieres is going to be used against them, which will be great to see!

Anonymous GreyS November 13, 2016 11:41 AM  

"Taking over Hollywood" is a long way off as the big studios are all owned by large corporations. I'm rooting for the Chinese to take at least one of the six majors and that it will be one of the four Jewish ones. They will hire Chinese-Americans if and where they find them but won't have that Jew-first-and-always mindset. The Chinese are about one thing--making $. Sure, the Jews are too but the Chinese don't have that antipathy of Christians and Christian culture that most Jews have. For example, the Chinese would have never blackballed Mel Gibson for making The Passion Of The Christ.

I just don't see this whole future thing coming down as White v Everyone Else, though I am not sure how it will all break down and I know race will be a huge part of it. I deal with a lot of Chinese business owners-- both Chinese nationals and Chinese-Americans and I cannot recall one who was not for Trump. Many I talked to were crazy about him.

Blogger Tom K. November 13, 2016 11:42 AM  

Which is why a smart white man like Trump has already called out China as a threat. Many people are aware and fear the idea that the 21st century will be the China Century.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 11:45 AM  

VD, do you think that in time there might be alternatives to the MSM style broadcast networks created by alt-right?

Unlikely. TV ratings are in decline and there is no money for it. Look at Gab and Infogalactic. We're both getting solid support and we're both steadily gaining traction, and yet there is vastly more money made available to everything else from llama farming to insanely stupid Pets.com 2.0 nonsense to things like Heat Street. If we couldn't do it on a shoestring, we couldn't do it at all.

NK Jemisin's Patreon has a similar level of support to Infogalactic at this point in time.... and you want to us to talk about building an entire broadcast network? That is simply not going to happen without orders of magnitude more support. I spend absolutely zero time even thinking about that sort of thing.

If even half the people who say "so-and-so should" at one point or another would simply join those already in the Burn Unit, we would be able to start planning how to reach some of the more ambitious objectives, and thereby lay the foundation for even larger projects. If you want to make it happen, then help us continue to build our subscriber base.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 13, 2016 11:45 AM  

That's a very interesting observation from #78. It would seem to be borne out from the history of the Philippines, Vietnam, Malasia and other places in the region where the Han have been enganged in commerce for many centuries. Their anti-white vote in the USA is somewhat hard to explain under this model, but there could be other factors driving it. There's also the factor that all Asians are lumped together in the exit polls, etc. A Japanese is not a Chinese is not a Thai, etc.

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 11:48 AM  

The Chinese ability to rise to the economic peak in so many countries is not really a group endeavor. You assume that they are a unified mass; the truth is that this is normally an individual and family affair. They dont trust each other very much. Historically they are more likely to trust Europeans with a good institutional reputation. That, in a nutshell, is why the British Hongs flourished, why AIG got its start there, etc., as honest brokers between Chinese interests.

Blogger James Dixon November 13, 2016 11:49 AM  

> ... all the tainted product scandals for one thing...

There's a reason if I see China on the label of a food product I throw it back.

The same holds for Indonesia, Mexico, and India. Vietnam too, but for different reasons.

> I'll grant you those two things, but apart from them, what have the Romans done for us?

They taught us how to fight wars.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 11:49 AM  

I just don't see this whole future thing coming down as White v Everyone Else, though I am not sure how it will all break down and I know race will be a huge part of it. I deal with a lot of Chinese business owners-- both Chinese nationals and Chinese-Americans and I cannot recall one who was not for Trump.

That's because you've never lived in Asia or studied East Asian cultures. I am so utterly sick of people attempting to forecast long term social developments on the basis of "I know this one guy and he's totally nice!" You don't seem to be aware that Asians voted heavily for Hillary. Who cares what a few business owners told you?

The White focus on the individual is clearly a weakness as well as a strength.

Blogger Tom K. November 13, 2016 11:53 AM  

That's why I am.so reluctant to buy from Alibaba. I don't trust their quality control.

There was a House episode where a father buying a testosterone-like herb mixture from China nearly kills his kids. Common enough to be a television plot.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2016 11:54 AM  

@80 VD

If even half the people who say "so-and-so should"
at one point or another would simply join those already in the Burn Unit, we would be able to start planning how to reach some of the more ambitious objectives, and thereby lay the foundation for even larger projects. If you want to make it happen, then help us continue to build our subscriber base.
---

I'll help anyway that I can - didn't mean this to minimize anything you guys are doing now, which is awesome!

Blogger Shimshon November 13, 2016 11:54 AM  

Re Asian cultures. I had a friend in college, that like Vox spent a year abroad in Japan. Before he left, he loved Japanese culture and, particularly, anime (in 1988, this was quite leading edge). When he returned, he was quite disillusioned with Japanese people and culture (retained his interest in anime).

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2016 11:55 AM  

@64: As for Chinese traditional culture and the like, it's my understanding that this is largely destroyed in China proper thanks to Mao...

What happened in Russia after the dissolution of the USSR?

Blogger Fenris Wulf November 13, 2016 11:56 AM  

@12. "The Wall" indeed. I was pretty sure it wasn't a Pink Floyd reboot. It's about the Great Wall of China. Which was built to keep out a literal army of monsters. Starring Matt Damon as a heroic archer.

ROTFLMBO here.

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 11:58 AM  

US Chinese support for Democrats is entirely a matter of bending with the wind/fitting in with the prevailing elite. They will try to fit in as best they can with the local Powers that Be.
In the Philippines in the old days they became Catholic and learned Spanish and married Filipino landowners daughters. Here they go to college and agree with what they are told and fit in with the prevailing attitudes and marry Jews (see Amy Chua). The only way you will get them to switch to Republicans is to credibly appear to be more powerful.

Anonymous RatDog November 13, 2016 12:00 PM  

I'm white and married to a mainland Chinese woman. She was born and raised in mainland China. Some observations from her and her Chinese friends here-- and note that we do not live in Cali or Hawaii where the politics are different:

1) They tend to have an implicit belief that blacks and other violent groups will attack them because they think Chinese are small and weak. Black-on-Chinese crimes are regular subjects of conversation on Chinese forums Stateside.

2) None of the Chinese at my wife's Chinese church want to return to China to live there. Visiting mama in the village is fine but not beyond that.

3) They get nationalistic over Taiwan and against Japan after watching all of the Chinese period dramas where the young Chinese man takes out a battalion of Japanese infantry and wins the girl.

4) They don't understand American politics or why we would get excited over Donald Trump. To them, politics is something that you cannot influence and have no control over so quit worrying about it. It wasn't until my wife got bullied by the border Nazis in US Customs that she woke up to this reality. The Chinese tend to get nationalistic or retreat into ethnocentrism openly usually when they feel abused by some other group.

5) Their kids don't speak Chinese with one another and certainly don't write it. There's a reason that Chinese churches have Chinese school.

6) The Chinese have many fragmented groups that aren't unified. Hokkien and Hakka and Hong Kong and others. And north vs south. And Hong Kongers don't like mainlain and vice versa. And so on.

7) There is a huge generational divide and break from the Confucian edict of obeying parents above all else. Lots of divorces happen in Chinese communities due to the mother and mother in law. The movie "The Joy Luck Club" is reality TV for me.

Anonymous kfg November 13, 2016 12:03 PM  

"Jews traveled the whole world and retained their ethnic identity, save China. They were assimilated by the Han."

Shortly before WWI a Chinese tribe was discovered that were, by appearance, Chinese, but by culture were obviously Jewish.

There was little time to study them, because then the war broke out and priorities changed.

When the war ended and people returned to study them, they had vanished. So it seems that they weren't fully absorbed by the Han so much as they were swept away by the winds of war.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni November 13, 2016 12:04 PM  

So the Republican party is the white, English-speaking party. Where does that leave the Democrats? They can't be the black party - not enough votes. Not even the Hispanics have enough votes. They must break up into smaller ethnic parties that can never compete electorally.
As soon as effective immigration restrictions are in place, the Democrats' dream of a globalist, multi - ethnic, communist America dies. And they know it.

Anonymous Discard November 13, 2016 12:08 PM  

Chinese colonists are backed by China, a much more powerful country in every way than Israel.

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2016 12:10 PM  

@91: 4) They don't understand American politics or why we would get excited over Donald Trump.

Strange. Here in Silly Valley, there was strong support for Trump among non-locally educated Mandarin speakers and Cantonese speakers.

The young, however, are possibly a different thing.

I also don't see an alliance with Mexicans working because the Chinese regard them with contempt and they revolted against Democrat attempts to boost Hispanic education gimmedats a while ago.

Of course, there will be a collision between Whites and Chinese with respect to education as well.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 12:11 PM  

I'll help anyway that I can - didn't mean this to minimize anything you guys are doing now, which is awesome!

No, I understood that. But it's a little frustrating when you see the massive quantities of money that are literally thrown away on TV advertisements or utterly stupid business plans, and hear people saying "somebody should do something!"

We are doing something. And I'm very grateful and appreciative of the strong support we have from the Brainstormers, the Castalia readers, the Burn Unit, and those who are making Phase 2 possible. But we need to reach three orders of magnitude more people to compete at the level we're discussing here.

We will get there. But it will be a long and difficult march. The good news, of course, is that one is much stronger for doing it the hard way.

Blogger Tom K. November 13, 2016 12:12 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Dave November 13, 2016 12:17 PM  

@VD If even half the people who say "so-and-so should" at one point or another would simply join those already in the Burn Unit, we would be able to start planning how to reach some of the more ambitious objectives, and thereby lay the foundation for even larger projects. If you want to make it happen, then help us continue to build our subscriber base.

Actually just noticed the newsletter sent to subscribers, thanks for that. Nice touch and the swag is icing on the cake. C'mon people, loke Vox says; put your money where your mouth is.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker November 13, 2016 12:17 PM  

@31: Vox, are you familiar with Civilization and it's Enemies by Lee Harris? It came out in 2004.

This work contains useful historical observations and insights about the defining cultural aspects of the West from ancient Sparta to modern America. Harris's purpose was to remind us that while the West has always faced implacable enemies, the greater challenge is internal.

Harris spends considerable time taking down what he calls the "fantasy ideology," the widely held notion that the West, in its post-Cold War euphoria, had vanquished all meaningful foes and could sail on toward utopia uninterrupted by those who are literally coming to kill us.

Although I have not yet read Origins of Political Order, Harris's thesis sounds complementary to it.

I also found Civilization and it's Enemies to be a useful companion to Carnage and Culture, by Victor Davis Hanson, which came out just before 9/11.

Blogger Johnny November 13, 2016 12:24 PM  

@86

The thing about Rome is that before Rome there were tribes. They very nearly invented the modern nation state. For better or worse they spread Christianity and Greek culture.

The idea of legal theory, that abstract ideas of law could be applied to particulars was a Roman idea. The court of law that was not the king's court was a Roman innovation. Additionally they were a city culture and a lot of the innovations need to make a city work were Roman.

The German barbarians generally sustained an underclass that still function in the manner that was in place when Rome fell, and when central and northern Europe began forming nation states it was a matter of readopting a lot of Roman cultural norms. These got wiped out by Islam in North Africa, and the slow development of modern Germany was probably due to having never been occupied by Rome. They had no Roman tradition to draw on.

Blogger Nobody In Particular November 13, 2016 12:26 PM  

This may not be the right forum, but I'll say it anyway.
For me, the most important test is: if a country were mostly populated by ethnicity X (other than my own ethnicity), how much would I enjoy living in it?
From this point of view, a European country or a country populated by Europeans would be best (with some differences between various European ethnicities). This also includes several South American countries, like Argentina and Chile. This also includes Israel. I wouldn't like living in Russia or most of Brazil, however.
There are several Asian countries in which I wouldn't mind living either (e.g. Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, HK, South Korea). I'd probably even enjoy it to some extent. Others might be tolerable (e.g. China, Vietnam, Thailand), but I'd rather not live there since I have the choice.
I would prefer living in any of the above to living in the nicest Subsaharan African country, like Ghana or Kenya. This may however be because I have never been to Africa and I just don't know how good it is.
In Central America, there are a couple of countries in which it wouldn't be so bad to live, but others would probably be as bad as many African countries are.
Lastly, I wouldn't want to live in North Africa (possibly except for Tunisia), in the Middle East, or in India.
There are other important considerations, like "with which of these countries are the US going to end up at war"? I haven't addressed that.

Blogger John Williams November 13, 2016 12:26 PM  

@YIH, Aviation is full of stories of cheap Chinese clones. Companies can ship over aircraft grade materials, only to find the finished product is made of lower grade material. Heat treatment & surface coatings are also skipped to cut costs. Only companies with robust QC systems catch these cases. Some companies QC systems appear to function because they are based on the assumption that their vendors have integrity & do what they say.

Blogger Shimshon November 13, 2016 12:27 PM  

In a previous life, I had an Asian girlfriend. She was herself mixed Filipino (father) and Japanese (mother) stock. She told me of her Japanese grandparents and how they practically (or actually, can't remember) disowned her mother. She herself felt adrift and didn't really know who she was. Still doesn't. Had an Asian boyfriend and orbiter when I met her. Ditched the boyfriend, ignored the orbiter, and went right for me. In hindsight, they had no chance once she met me. Only paired up with white (broadly defined, fellow white people) men from that time on. Is married. Never had kids. Her sisters married Asian men.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob November 13, 2016 12:29 PM  

VD: TV ratings are in decline and there is no money for it.


This is what was so laughable about those cynical explanations for Trump's run. He's shilling for Shillary, up through, He's laying groundwork & an audience for TrumpTV.

As if he became a billionaire by being stupid enough to believe there's any money left to be made in TV. Talk-Tv, at that. Or that one TV channel in a sea of 500 would enhance his legacy more than any building bearing his name, or any of his grandchildren.

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2016 12:31 PM  

@98: Which subscribers?

Anonymous Discard November 13, 2016 12:33 PM  

76. buwaya puti: Agree with Amy Chua "World on Fire" book recommendation. Eye opening.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable November 13, 2016 12:40 PM  

Actually just noticed the newsletter sent to subscribers, thanks for that. Nice touch and the swag is icing on the cake. C'mon people, loke Vox says; put your money where your mouth is.

Silly question: Is there an easy way to upwardly adjust one's monthly contribution?

Anonymous BGKB November 13, 2016 12:44 PM  

they just happened to be the only group present in Western societies in sufficient numbers to do so

Lets not ignore that they have members that can pass for white "Hello fellow white people"

Do you seriously think anyone is going to fund a television show for the likes of Richard Spencer or me?

Perhaps TRUMP TV will let him have the time slot before "Don't Garrote Fewer Felons Than A Faggot"

Just to agree, I think that is self evidently what is happening. The relentlessly gaining support from non white groups is starting to consolidate whites as a race group. Their implicitly racist policies are producing racism on every side.

Its funny to see jewesses like Samantha Bee go from (((Hello fellow white people))) to "fuck whitey" like she did after the election.

Wreckage says, Whites aren't an ethnic group, strictly speaking.

This summer I wore a tshirt with WHITE LIVES MATTER on both sides to amusement parks, tons of people loved it and it was still too complicated for non Asian minorities to read.

/T slightly, looks like Trump is going to abandon the entire climate hoax, and yank contributions to UN climate

Hope he passes the nationwide conceal carry rule before NYC is underwater by 2015.

My (((fellow Americans))) pawned the entire country in order to fund the 35 year party. FIFY

They dont trust each other very much. Historically they are more likely to trust Europeans with a good institutional reputation.

There are actual jobs in china to be "The white guy in a suit and tie" were you attend business meetings hired by a business that wants people to think there is a trustworthy white involved in it.

Blogger Dave November 13, 2016 12:45 PM  

@The Other Robot

"PayPal subscription" - https://infogalactic.com/info/Infogalactic:Donations

@5343 Did you try PayPal? May have to cancel and redo if they don't allow adjustments?

Anonymous kfg November 13, 2016 12:50 PM  

"Hope he passes the nationwide conceal carry rule before NYC is underwater by 2015."

He's talking reciprocity, not an actual Federal carry rule. It's an improvement, but it's not "there" yet.

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2016 12:52 PM  

There is a difference between individual behavior and aggregate behavior.

That small difference in individual behavior you see adds up when you have a population of 1B+.

Note, also, that there are genetic differences between groups, as I learned during my recent eye test when the Asian optometrist was concerned about glaucoma in me ... (I am actually fine, it seems, but atypical for a white person.)

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 13, 2016 12:58 PM  

NAAALT!

Blogger S1AL November 13, 2016 1:03 PM  

Gonna sperg for a moment here:

Calling the Republican Party the White Party is whiffing on a lot of data. Trump is as much of a Cosmopolitan as W ever was, and W gave speeches in Spanish. Trump did better with minorities than the vast majority of Repub candidates from the last several decades. The Asian vote, in particular, is shocking.

My best guess, from talking to people from a bunch of different areas, is that we're seeing regional breakup, not ethnic breakup (yet). So when you say "White quislings", you're really talking about "Whites who live within 100 miles of a major body of water"(*). The interests of those people are very, very different from those in the heartland. That's one reason they flip the hell out over climate change - not because of science, but because they live by the ocean. It's why you hear Coloradans freaking out about "fracking" instead of climate change, etc. etc.

So looking at the data, I think you're going to see a lot of shifting around especially in the minority vote as that cohesion starts to break down. "Asians" are going to fracture into Chinese and Korean and ??? blocs; Blacks are going to fracture into East Coast and Midwest blocs; Hispanics already have at least 3 major blocs (Cuban, anti-illegal, pro-illegal).

So sure, maybe the White vote shifts a lot to the Republican Party, but there are going to be some very significant minority groups that will also move to R over time because, simply, people vote for their interests. And a lot of Coastal Whites are going to stay D.

(*): I'm not counting the Caribbean here. At this point it's Great Lakes, Pacific, Atlantic. The reasoning behind that would be worth looking at.

Blogger OGRE November 13, 2016 1:04 PM  

@60 Were-Puppy. It looks as if, after the 2016 elections, Republicans control both houses in 32 state legislatures. (Nebraska has a single house that is non partisan, but 35 out of 49 Senators there are Republican affiliated.) Democrats control 12. It takes ratification by 38 (3/4) state legislatures for a Constitutional amendment to be adopted. It takes 34 (2/3) state legislatures to call for a national constitution convention to propose amendments.

@65 Josh. I think you might be referring to the number of states in which Republicans control both houses of the state legislature as well as the governership. Which would be 24, 25 if you count Nebraska's single house, non-partisan legislature. Possibly 26 depending on the final results in the North Carolina governor's race. By contrast, Democrats have a trifecta in 6 states. But the governors are not part of the ratification process for constitutional amendments.

Blogger Anthony Gillis November 13, 2016 1:09 PM  

For all the "[member of X group] for Trump!" people one can find on social media, the actual election results proved that non-Whites in the United States still overwhelmingly support the Democrats and their anti-White coalition.

That the various non-White groups have conflicting interests is only a good thing in the sense that the anti-White coalition will eventually unravel - it means the traditional leadership of the Left - self-hating Whites and White-hating Jews, will never achieve its dreams of uncontested power.

But that only goes so far. All it means is that unless the Alt-Right and politicians friendly to it make decisive changes, and fairly soon, the coming conflict in the United States will be multi-sided.

Like Lebanon, Syria, or the region once called Yugoslavia.

Blogger kurt9 November 13, 2016 1:10 PM  

A Chinese-Hispanic political alliance would be a vast improvement over current Democratic politics.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 13, 2016 1:11 PM  

I'm not so sure about the Asian/Hispanic alliance however, they do rank Hispanics higher than Africans, but that's not saying much.

Probably worth noting that "Hispanic" covers a lot of genetic territory. Northern Mexico, the old Californios, and Cubans are basically Spaniards. Hispanics in the rest of the Caribbean are Blacks. The Central Americans are mostly Mayans... I'm not sure how solidly they will stick together, or be viewed together by other "races."

As to what buwaya puti says, that's my impression too from working with Chinese over the years, including visiting China (never lived there though, so my perspective is limited). They are very good at working within their own family, but somewhat hopeless at any larger-scale endeavor. They have quite a history of collapsing upon themselves. My own attitude is stop buying from them, stop educating them, stop importing them, give the Japanese whatever they need to defend themselves, and watch.

Blogger Sheila4g November 13, 2016 1:19 PM  

VD: "Neither the various Asian identity groups nor Jews are actually on the side of Whites. They may have more characteristics in common with Whites than other identity groups, but they also have their own identities and their own tribal interests, which contradict White interests every bit as dramatically as other identity groups, and as the Lum case demonstrates, they will never hesitate to cast aside White interests in pursuit of their own."

This cannot be overemphasized and needs to be repeated endlessly, particularly in light of the the unseemly degree of "yellow-fever" some on the right side of the spectrum have, and particularly the "high IQ" fetish displayed. While I'm hardly an expert and never studied Asian history (never held any interest for me), I did live for 2 years in Singapore, and before that I helped set up the office for the first Korean corporate liaison/lobbying office in DC in the late 1980s (Daewoo).

No, Singapore is not "just like living in Europe," and NO, you don't get arrested for jaywalking. It is more structured and law-abiding than other Asian nations, however (limited personal experience re Hong Kong and Bangkok). At the root, however, despite its Indian and Malaysian underclass and various guest workers, Singapore is Han Chinese. Period. As Buwaya Puti notes, there are distinct family and clan differences. Where Buwaya goes wrong, I would argue, is saying that they're easy to play off against each other to Whites' ultimate advantage. Despite their differences, they are still well aware of each other's Han heritage. My husband and I had extended contact with a number of Singaporeans, a few of whom were quite wealthy. Lots of economic activity throughout Asia (including Burma). They are your friends for life until you are no longer of use to them. The moment you cede or lose your government or corporate position, and have no favors to offer, no more quid pro quo, you don't exist. They respect power, and most Han in the US today do not respect Whites. They consider us weak and lazy, particularly compared with the past. They see us as easy prey and our land and holdings as easy takings.

They study and are quick to learn how the US operates on paper, but do lack an emotional understanding of White altruism as well as rising White identity. They'll ruthlessly exploit any legal loophole for their personal or corporate profit (every other Chinese here in North Texas has their parents here on Supplemental Social Security and they've essentially taken over the city's subsidized senior housing). They have their own interests, and despite temporary alliances or even marriages, they never forget they're Han. Whites who ignore this or inter-marry learn this, sooner or later, generally to their regret.

Anonymous John November 13, 2016 1:23 PM  

@40
Well, I for one am. I married a Korean woman I met while stationed there back in my lolbertarian days. Thank the white American women I'd dated beforehand, who had me sure I wouldn't find one of their peers who hadn't been poisoned by feminism. Many in the alt-Right would disown me for it, but if you want white genetics to spread they need to be pushed outwards as well; though my bigger concern was having a woman who would be a loyal wife and mother, and I wasn't even finding good prospects for that in Church before I looked abroad.

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 1:23 PM  

Anyway, if you are going to be organizing fighting among/between racial blocks, you guys should be considering some relevant matters -
- Strategically, you want allies, the more the better. So you need to be able to attract some of the other blocks. So you need to practice being nice to them. The Nazis made nice with the Muslims for instance. Simply being rabid to anyone outside the playpen is bad strategy.
- There is an ever-growing proportion of mixed- race mestizos in the US, white-hispanic, white-Asian, etc.; the outmarriage rate for both is extremely high. And cultural loyalties are also mixed up and complex.
- Tribal politics becomes difficult without tribal identity, and I am not convinced that identity is getting stronger among the mixed, or even with the second-third generation. Rather, the only identity that carries over is the generic academic-pop culture brainwash, which is not a real identity.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 13, 2016 1:29 PM  

@109 Reciprocity is fine; then all you have to do is get one of the other state's licenses that they offer out.

Anonymous BGKB November 13, 2016 1:39 PM  

He's talking reciprocity, not an actual Federal carry rule. It's an improvement, but it's not "there" yet.

You know darn well I meant being able to CCW in NYC with a West Virginia carry permit, instead of needing to pay a $10,000+ bribe. It also sounds like he will be doing away with laws limiting mags, FN5.7 with 20-30rd mags with NYC limiting people to owning 200 rounds of ammo. No more Maryland trying to pull over people with CCWs from other states, while ignoring felons posting pics on facebook with guns.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 13, 2016 1:42 PM  

Jews had been uniquely positioned to exploit Whites because they look like us. Optics matter, and no Western nation would follow a ruling class composed of Chinese faces, should the Chinese aspire to displace Jews in their post-WWII seat.

@10 paworldandtimes
Actually, I'm not so sure. Take Southeast Asians, for example. Chinese may look like Southeast Asians to us, but I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese look as alien to Southeast Asians as they do to us. (Even more than Jews do to us.)

The Jews are unique to Europe but not unique to the world. Everywhere there is a tendency for an ethnic minority to be the commercial class. In Black Africa it was both Europeans and people from India. South East Asia the Chinese, and in Europe it was the Jews. Back when we had an unsettled western territory it was White traders among the Indian population, and before the Jews locked up financial commerce in Europe it was Italian banking houses doing business in other countries.

@30 Johnny
And in the Middle East (at least for the moment), it's Christians. Having a 10 IQ-point advantage will do that.

Calling the Republican Party the White Party is whiffing on a lot of data. Trump is as much of a Cosmopolitan as W ever was, and W gave speeches in Spanish. Trump did better with minorities than the vast majority of Repub candidates from the last several decades. The Asian vote, in particular, is shocking.

@112 S1AL
No, you're wrong on this. Trump is explicitly advancing white American interests, whereas Dubya made absolutely no such pretense, either in word or in deed.

And the fact that some minorities are smart enough to see through the Cultural Marxism and recognize that advancing white American interests helps them doesn't change this fact. Heck, I'm sure we'll find that the Hispanics who voted for Trump were largely of European stock.

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 1:44 PM  

Sheila,
Of course they use you to their advantage if you have something to offer. If not, not. They are practical and often ruthless. The point is they treat each other in exactly this manner also.
Its not just ethnic and clan differences, it is family, blood kin that matter.
In Singapore/Malaysia there is a bit of a different dynamic vis a vis the Malays because these have had a more overtly hostile and xenophobic reaction to Chinese than the Philippines. Over in Malaysia/Singapore there has been a degree of "we have to hang together else we will hang separately"; and Islam has limited integration. The Philippines/Thailand are better analogues for the prospects and future behavior of Chinese in the US.
I come from a clan of expats and grew up in expat communities. There are few things as pathetic as an expat in Asia without position or power or family in place with both. Its just the way it is. You have to be much longer in-country, and with family connections besides to get a complete picture.

Blogger Lazarus November 13, 2016 1:45 PM  

Anthony Gillis wrote:Like Lebanon, Syria, or the region once called Yugoslavia.

Vox has already indicated that that is the probable outcome, balkanization of the US.

Anonymous kfg November 13, 2016 1:45 PM  

" . . . then all you have to do is get one of the other state's licenses that they offer out."

Is there a Must Issue state from which you can simply Internet order one?

And goal remains the constitution being your permit to carry, in any manner of your choosing. At the very least open carry without any sort of permit required.

Anonymous MonkeyMonkey November 13, 2016 1:58 PM  

I don't want to go off topic but, since some of you have been comparing the Chinese with the Jews, I would like to know if the Chinese have a history of promoting "mass immigration" to the countries they live.

Do the Chinese promote divorce, pornography, sodomy, abortion and atheism for other people?

Do the Chinese promote interracial marriage for others while following a religion which commands racial purity?

Because this comparison looks pretty anti-sinitic to me.

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2016 2:11 PM  

@125: Dude, you will have the get the (((people))) on board if you want to make "anti-sinitic" a thing.

Anonymous kfg November 13, 2016 2:13 PM  

"I would like to know if the Chinese have a history of promoting "mass immigration" to the countries they live."

Yes.

"Do the Chinese promote divorce, pornography, sodomy, abortion and atheism for other people?"

They promote that which they believe will weaken the culture of the other. What that specifically entails depends on the specific other culture.

"Do the Chinese promote interracial marriage for others while following a religion which commands racial purity?"

In the case of the Chinese that will boil down to exactly how you define "religion," but effectively, yes.

"Because this comparison looks pretty anti-sinitic to me."

I don't care.

Blogger Feather Blade November 13, 2016 2:22 PM  

@124 I think most states require you to go through some kind of training.
I know that Utah accepts Idaho's CCW training, and you just apply for the Utah permit by mail.

Washington will give a CC permit to any resident of the state with no training, but they don't recognize a lot of other states' permits, for example, Idaho's basic CCW permit, even though getting one requires a class on the legal aspects of CC.

Washington will recognize Idaho's enhanced CCW permit, though.

Blogger Open Carry November 13, 2016 2:25 PM  

buwaya puti wrote:
- There is an ever-growing proportion of mixed- race mestizos in the US, white-hispanic, white-Asian, etc.; the outmarriage rate for both is extremely high. And cultural loyalties are also mixed up and complex.


It has been written that mixed-parentage individuals are counted as minorities, presumably to aid the left's narrative of the rapid demographic decline of the white (or at least non-group identity based) culture, even though quite a few of those of mixed parentage don't see themselves as part of a particular group, but more as part of the American mainstream.

However, the "outmarriage" rates are low for some groups; it's rather low among the Indians, for example. Also, I wonder how many of the mixed-parentage individuals vote Republican. Unless they do, they are not helping to preserve the traditional American culture.

My fellow Jews have been attracted to leftist ideologies like flies to shit for over 100 years in the US, and this continues despite all evidence for anyone who is not blind that Democratic politics will spell their doom in the not so distant future. I want to believe that Asians of various sorts will start drifting towards the Republican party soon, but it is entirely possible that they will choose, like the Jews have, to stick with the Democratic party for the next 100 years.

Anonymous RatDog November 13, 2016 2:27 PM  

From my limited view, Chinese culture desires order above all else. It explains why they will study medicine or engineering and become good at either but don't make for aggressive lawyers who will overturn things. It explains why their parents tell the kids to go to Harvard instead of start a business.

They don't want to upset the establishment like the alt-right. They want to be admitted to its ranks.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 2:34 PM  

My fellow Jews have been attracted to leftist ideologies like flies to shit for over 100 years in the US, and this continues despite all evidence for anyone who is not blind that Democratic politics will spell their doom in the not so distant future. I want to believe that Asians of various sorts will start drifting towards the Republican party soon, but it is entirely possible that they will choose, like the Jews have, to stick with the Democratic party for the next 100 years.

It's not about ideology. The Chinese will stay in the Democratic Party and eventually take it over, because it is the rival to the White Party.

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 2:35 PM  

RatDog,
Yes they desire order. Yes a great number do what they can to join the mandarin class. Yes they instinctively support the powers that be, unless these have obviously lost the mandate of heaven, at which point they keep their heads down.

But you misunderstand them, 180 degrees, about starting businesses. This is their thing, they do this nearly by instinct. They are small businessmen by genetic programming. The Chinese are huge gamblers, they love monetary risk.

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 2:40 PM  

VD, I disagree. The Chinese wont take over the Democratuc party. This is not in their cultural programming.
I come from parts where the Chinese have been in the analogous position that they are just barely entering in the US, for centuries. We know them very well.

It would take a bet to settle this I suppose, over a very long term in politics, twenty years at least.

Anonymous Professor November 13, 2016 2:53 PM  

Yup, i hear plenty of anti-white comments from chinese and Indian students. Maybe more than latinos. But they all hate each other as well Koreans hate Chinese hat vietnamese and they would all exterminate the Japanese if given the chance. A smart white strategy will engage in a lot of divide and conquer. There has to be, say 20% of blacks that realize they are far better off in a white society than a Latino/Han society that would have no use for them at all.
I think the time is right for Sailer's idea of a show based on a white guy interacting with his super racist Korean in-laws in los angeles. Good guerrilla internet series with alt-right overtones.

Blogger Sheila4g November 13, 2016 2:53 PM  

Addendum to my earlier post: One thing cucks like to claim is that Whites wouldn't object to Negroes if they behaved like Whites (i.e. it's culture not skin color myth). The Chinese put a lie to this. Sure, they take up the violin and play Western orchestral masterpieces. But they don't and can't create or write this music - it's not part of their soul. They study Latin when and where necessary for Law or Medical School, but locally they got Latin dropped from the high school in favor of Chinese (which no one takes but Chinese students). They do not have high levels of street crime, like Negroes, but their corruption and bureaucratization is endemic, as is nepotism.

Ultimately, they are not only survivors, but (as Vox noted) conquerors. They play a long game, but they play to win.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob November 13, 2016 2:58 PM  

Open Carry: Also, I wonder how many of the mixed-parentage individuals vote Republican. Unless they do, they are not helping to preserve the traditional American culture.


The same way Nimrat Gupta-Haley (Gov.SC-R) helped preserve the traditional flag of the South? We don't need their kind of help.

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2016 2:59 PM  

It's not about ideology. The Chinese will stay in the Democratic Party and eventually take it over, because it is the rival to the White Party.

This. The non-White party has forced the White Party into existence. Those who are not white will, for the most part, choose the non-White party.

Blogger Robert What? November 13, 2016 3:03 PM  

Heh. Are you the Judean Peoples Front or the People's Front of Judea?

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2016 3:05 PM  

@138: You only have that luxury in a country that is 90+% white.

Anonymous Avalanche November 13, 2016 3:06 PM  

@33 "Add to that, an actual fact, that Mesoamericans are the descendants of Siberian shamans, and you have a recipe for a new national myth, that doesn't include Europeans (or Africans)."

There is a lot of evidence being gathered that the "first" folks here were most likely from the (Brittany-based) Solutreans. They "became" (that is, archeos named them) Clovis People, after the site found in Clovis NM. Many (many) other sites have been found all over the (now) U.S. and a bit in southern Canada and northern SAmer. These sites PREDATE any "Bering Strait-crossing" Siberians. Most telling: their "Clovis Points" (spear and knife points that help provide ID on Clovis sites) only appear in Clovis sites; and are *nothing* like, nor descended from, Siberian-style work. They DO however follow a logical development pathway from the Solutreans in (what became) England and France!

So, (proto-)"Europeans" predate them ALL!

The Clovis people "disappeared completely" -- along with essentially ALL NAmer animals over 100 pounds: mammoths, mastodons, dire wolves, American lions, giant sloths etc. etc. (Great,fascinating book called: "The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: How a Stone-Age Comet Changed the Course of World Culture," by Richard Firestone and Allen West.)

Blogger buwaya puti November 13, 2016 3:09 PM  

Its unfortunate I cant organize a two-decade bet, because this is an interesting question.
I would take the bet vs who joins what party, if there actually is in the end a "white" and "non-white" party.
My money is on -
If there ends up being a "white" party, that attracts both powerful and non-powerful white people, thats where all the aspirational minorities will be, because that will be the party of power.

And the only reason aspirational minorities are Democrats at the moment is because thats where the truly powerful white people are. Power is sexy.

Blogger M Cephas November 13, 2016 3:27 PM  

From reading E Michael Jones, he brings up how the Jews have been against Christian Europe because of their rejection of Jesus Christ as the Messiah.

The Talmud has passages specifically telling them it is okay to cheat gentiles, and even kill them. They even have passages that teach that "Jesus Christ was illegitimate and was conceived during menstruation; that he had the soul of Esau; that he was a fool, a conjurer, a seducer; that he was crucified, buried in hell and set up as an idol ever since by his followers".

So their hatred of Jesus Christ, of Mary, of Christians, has been a driving force in their behavior over the centuries. They also believe gentiles to all be inferior.

Their motives go further than some Asians who want to simply take over. Their motives are downright satanic.

Blogger jandolin November 13, 2016 3:29 PM  

The Chinese will not take over the Democratic Party until Democratic Party policies adversely affect the education and wealth of Chinese. For the most part, Chinese Americans are apolitical. They are preoccupied with achieving economic success and building wealth.

Anonymous AlexT November 13, 2016 3:43 PM  

Nicely done��

Blogger Open Carry November 13, 2016 3:57 PM  

VD wrote:It's not about ideology. The Chinese will stay in the Democratic Party ... because it is the rival to the White Party.

Identity also comes with culture. Stefan Molyneux has a recent video with many charts, including on attitudes towards big government among various groups, and his charts show that Asians favor big government.

I am just not yet clear to me how much it is all about ethnic and religious identity, and how much it is about the cultural attitudes. It must be a mixture of both, but in what proportion. (And the proportion may well vary among different groups.)

Anonymous Scholar-at-Arms November 13, 2016 4:05 PM  

John Rivers was making this point on Twitter during the summer, by taking point-by-point the things that WNs claimed to be angry at Jews over (nepotism, infiltrating & taking over industries &c) and proving that statistically they were EVEN MORE TRUE for Hindus, then asking "when will the alt-Right address the HQ?"

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 4:10 PM  

Silly question: Is there an easy way to upwardly adjust one's monthly contribution?

Here’s how to change the way you pay for preapproved payments if you don’t want to use your PayPal balance:

Log in to your PayPal account.
Click the Settings icon next to "Log out."
Click Payments.
Under the "Pre-approved payments" section, click Manage pre-approved payments.
Click the name of the merchant for the agreement you want to change.
Under "Payment method," click Change next to the funding source you're looking to change.

Anonymous kfg November 13, 2016 4:14 PM  

"I think most states require you to go through some kind of training."

Right, so not really much use for NY/NJ/MA residents in obtaining a permit. It would be an aid to NYers who have a permit in traveling, since NY refuses reciprocity.

Not much use for Vermonters in traveling, since VT holds the constitution to be your permit and doesn't issue any to be reciprocated.

Reciprocity is a solid start (it would, for instance, start to erode NY's stance), but it ain't where we need to go.

OpenID aew51183 November 13, 2016 4:35 PM  

I'm in IT on the left coast and the Americanized Chinese populations have yet to exhibit one whiff of racial nepotism. They tend to drop themselves into the "wite-passing" bucket. (Though they are VERY much "go with the flow", so if a Chinese National, which are incredibly supremacist, sets the hiring policy, they will go with it).
INDIANS on the other hand, even when Americanized, are incredibly nepotistic, and if one is a boss you can expect 4 out of 5 of his hirees from that point to be Indian.

Blogger Noah B aka Carlos Danger Close November 13, 2016 6:07 PM  

@10 nails it. While other groups are every bit as nepotistic as Jews, they don't have the sort of dual identity that Jews do, identifying as a minority group or as part of the white majority depending on which is more convenient at the time. Just that one weird trick hides the degree of Jewish influence over finance, politics, and media from most people.

Blogger Open Carry November 13, 2016 6:25 PM  

Cyclone Bob wrote:
The same way Nimrat Gupta-Haley (Gov.SC-R) helped preserve the traditional flag of the South? We don't need their kind of help.


She is not the only prominent RINO from SC one can think of, and the legislature went along with her too, but I was talking about regular voters - it is important for the Republican party to have some support from minority groups to be able to win the elections.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 13, 2016 6:31 PM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:Vox, if the Republican Party is now the "White Party," then what is the Democratic Party in Alt Right nomenclature?

The Colonist Party.

"Not-White" is lame. Negation has no emotional content; when Nixon said that he was not a crook, people just felt the memory of him saying "crook".

"Colonist" provokes an emotional aversion in our enemies, and makes our allies think. Troll with it. You'll see.

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 13, 2016 6:40 PM  

Over at OD, they quote Alexandr Dugin saying the new phrase (per the God Emperor) for the psychopath genocidal establishment should not be "the Cathedral" any longer, but rather, "the Swamp." I think this makes great rhetorical sense. Cathedral lends them a specter of grandeur which they don't deserve, and besides, the real term all along should have been The Synagogue. Calling them the Swamp grants them the derision and hate they so richly deserve, and also does an end-run around the inevitable complaints of anti-Semitism which show up like flies on shit the instant somebody mentions reality.

Blogger wreckage November 13, 2016 6:40 PM  

Well Chinese cultural approach is "if it works copy it, if they're your inferiors but better than you at X Y or Z then they aren't your inferiors". Confucianism, in short, values skill and aptitude.

The Indian cultural approach is mired in a thousand years of caste system and tribal/regional mistrust. Hinduism places no lasting value on anything but birth.

In short, purely on average, traditional Chinese have some cultural aversion to accusations of nepotism, while traditional Indians consider it good and rational.

Anonymous Roundtine November 13, 2016 6:50 PM  

It's helpful to explain this for the pro-immigration cucks who are looking to give the country away to anyone who wants it and isn't a guaranteed welfare case, but if immigration is restricted, fertility rates will drop far enough that this won't ever be an issue. The same is true of Hispanics actually, immigration not only drives population growth, but also higher fertility.

Blogger Stilicho November 13, 2016 6:56 PM  

There are a lot of chinks we'll probably have to kill. They are disgusting and relentless. Time to start making plans with the Russians.

Blogger Akulkis November 13, 2016 7:11 PM  

@101

You underestimate Russia. Russians are quite civilized, and very warm to visitors (as long as said visitor is not acting like an invader or other threat to the community or nation.)

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 7:22 PM  

Over at OD, they quote Alexandr Dugin saying the new phrase (per the God Emperor) for the psychopath genocidal establishment should not be "the Cathedral" any longer, but rather, "the Swamp.

Agreed.

Blogger Mountain Man November 13, 2016 7:49 PM  

Chinese corporations are dumping billions into the pulp and paper industry here in North America. For the last decade they have also been very aggressive purchasers of our hardwood/softwood lumber and unprocessed logs.
They have an insatiable appetite for raw resources. I personally don't feel comfortable with them owning any processing plants here in our country.

Blogger Fenris Wulf November 13, 2016 7:53 PM  

Buwaya Puti:
>>- Strategically, you want allies, the more the better. So you need to be able to attract some of the other blocks. So you need to practice being nice to them. The Nazis made nice with the Muslims for instance. Simply being rabid to anyone outside the playpen is bad strategy.

Concern troll is concerned. I trust you about as far as I can throw you.

Sure, we shouldn't be hostile without a good reason. But this is OUR country, not theirs. Any non-white who wants to be an ally needs to show respect for OUR culture, not the other way around.

"Being nice" usually means opening the border so they can import more of their own ethnic group, with the intent of increasing their political power.

Anonymous Discard November 13, 2016 9:03 PM  

FYI: Bi-lingual education came to California as a result of a lawsuit by Chinese in the 1960s. Not Mexicans.
No doubt inspired by Chairman Mao's Little Red Book.

OpenID aew51183 November 13, 2016 9:37 PM  

Speaking of bilingual.. the mexican takeover of California is now complete.
They repealed the laws that required the anchor-babies be taught english.

Anonymous Discard November 13, 2016 9:39 PM  

146. Scholar-at-Arms: Agreed. No Hindu ought ever be allowed into this country, except diplomats or tourists. Their caste system makes them utterly alien and unacceptable. And deliberately overstaying a visa should get you ten days in an inner city lockup before we ship your bloody ass back to the sub-continent.
Well-behaved tourists are perfectly acceptable, as long as they know they are guests. I don't hate them, but they are what they are.

Anonymous Discard November 13, 2016 9:41 PM  

162. aew51183: I'm glad. I don't want them to pretend that their American.

Anonymous GreyS November 13, 2016 10:29 PM  

That's because you've never lived in Asia or studied East Asian cultures. I am so utterly sick of people attempting to forecast long term social developments on the basis of "I know this one guy and he's totally nice!" You don't seem to be aware that Asians voted heavily for Hillary. Who cares what a few business owners told you?

(chuckle) It is true that 30 years ago I wasn't an exchange student, and haven't spent the last couple decades in a country with zero Chinese or developed a fixation on preteen Japanese bands. My experience with asians comes from family, friends and daily interaction with business people and from travel to a few asian countries, though not mainland China.

The point about it maybe not breaking down into all other races against whites was that Chinese are not like blacks who will always go against whites as a first reaction, or even like hispanics who will go against whites with some prodding. The Chinese are vastly more money-and-power based than race-based. They will work with whomever makes them money and helps them get power-- the main benefit of power being the ability to make more money. They are racist, sure-- Everyone in the world is racist. But they aren't nearly as racist as the Japanese, though the Japanese are much nicer people and nowhere near as fixated on money as the Chinese.

The Chinese are people who will go whichever way they have to in order to succeed. Maybe that means they try to take control of the Democrat party and lead other races against the whites. Maybe it means they team up with whites for a while in order to build businesses and make inroads into specific businesses. Sure a lot of asians vote Democrat, but the Chinese aren't natural Dem-type political actors, with social justice storylines and race drama. (There are almost no asians in the street mobs protesting Trump for instance). Though largely apolitical, Chinese are more Republican-like in practice: Buy access to people and businesses which will help them build business. Payoffs and inside deals to established politicians and corporate-friendly groups is completely normal to them. So if Trump leads successfully for the next 8 years they could very well end up very friendly with the Republican party out of necessity and business sense. A good relationship with whites could last for several decades, as the Chinese will focus more on taking control of Africa than worrying about whites in the USA.

Blogger Fenris Wulf November 13, 2016 11:07 PM  

In other words, Chinese people will kiss up to the Republican party as long as it's on top. As soon as the political winds change, they'll stab us in the back and defect to the Democratic Party, which is a lot more corrupt and a lot better at buying votes.

How reassuring.

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents November 13, 2016 11:53 PM  

@153
Over at OD, they quote Alexandr Dugin saying the new phrase (per the God Emperor) for the psychopath genocidal establishment should not be "the Cathedral" any longer, but rather, "the Swamp."

Well, let's think. A really big swamp, like Okefenokee in Florida is mass of dirty water, mud, muck with a few islands; filled with fetid odors, disease infested, containing slow moving, cold blooded predators that are largely opportunistic.

Perfect.

Blogger Shitlord Numéro Uno November 13, 2016 11:59 PM  

paworldandtimes wrote:Jews had been uniquely positioned to exploit Whites because they look like us. Optics matter...

PA


They look like us because they ARE us. They're white, they're just a subset of white, a distinct ethnic and religious group. But when you break down their genetics, they cluster with us. They're basically half Levantine and half Italian. They went through a very narrow bottleneck in the early middle ages where several Jewish men took Gentile wives and that group expanded to create the Ashkenazim. This is why the Ashkenazim suffer several genetic diseases at higher rates - it's common to see that resulting from such a bottleneck.

The distinction you're looking for here is Jew/Gentile or Jew/White European. Because in the end, they are of our race which is why they can "pass" as you mentioned. No Chinese guy or black guy is passing for white, after all, without heavy admixture because they're different subspecies.

Blogger buwaya puti November 14, 2016 12:01 AM  

GreyS is right. I am a native of an Asian country with a huge overseas Chinese community. They have been business partners, classmates, co-workers, friends, neighbors and relatives all my life. My first girlfriend too, literally the girl next door too! We are experts in Chinese assimilation.

The attitude is exactly as GreyS has it. They are conservative in the Chinese manner, practical in the Chinese manner, and will suit their politics to their safety and convenience.

The only thing I can add is they do assimilate. We Filipinos have the experience of having had a large Chinese minority not for just a few decades but for almost 500 years. This happens fast or slow, depending, and varies among individuals. I have seen Chinese families assimilate in one generation, pretty much, and other old families still live in traditional style in their community. This is not uniform and there is no formula. The assimilated Chinese, normally mestizos, are typically intense patriots. Aguinaldo the revolutionary was a Chinese mestizo, as was Rizal the novelist and martyr, several national heroes such as the martyred Gen Vicente Lim, and several Presidents - just calling this out if someone wants to do a bit of research. I find these things fascinating, excuse me.

In the US, assimilation is going quite fast as I see it, here in melting pot central of the SF Bay Area. Part of the assimilation is the "when in Rome, do as the Romans do", which unfortunately in the US involves learning pernicious doctrines in schools and colleges. Thats half your trouble right there, and the perpetrators are mostly white.

Like it or not, opposed or not, its a fascinating phenomenon and deserves attentive observation.

Btw, back home too there is an undercurrent of native distrust and resentment, that in unsettled times is sometimes expressed in blood. This also I understand. Some of you lot sound like hot-headed Batanguenos itching to use their bolos, or so they say after too much bad liquor. Been there, seen it. Nothing is simple.

Blogger VD November 14, 2016 4:43 AM  

(chuckle) It is true that 30 years ago I wasn't an exchange student, and haven't spent the last couple decades in a country with zero Chinese or developed a fixation on preteen Japanese bands. My experience with asians comes from family, friends and daily interaction with business people and from travel to a few asian countries, though not mainland China.

Oh so funny. As I said, you clearly don't understand a damn thing about the Chinese. They have zero loyalty to the cultures they invade, zero interest in the prospering of its native people, and their takeover of Vancouver is sufficient proof of the irrelevance of your personal anecdotes. You're so stupid, you think that micro-level interactions are a substitute for macro analysis.

People like you are part of the problem. You value being thought of well by foreigners more than you do the defense of your own people and culture. That's the problem with European individualism.

GreyS is right. I am a native of an Asian country with a huge overseas Chinese community. They have been business partners, classmates, co-workers, friends, neighbors and relatives all my life. My first girlfriend too, literally the girl next door too! We are experts in Chinese assimilation.

Asians sticking up for Asian invasion of the West. What a surprise. The Filipinos need to go too. Neither the Chinese nor the Filipinos are capable of maintaining Western culture, because they already have their own cultures.

The USA excluded the Chinese once. It can do it again. Perhaps the God-Emperor should send them all to the Philippines, since apparently they assimilate so well there.

Been there, seen it. Nothing is simple.

It's very simple. Once immigration exceeds a certain level, there will be blood, sooner or later. Then all the people like you who encouraged it are shocked and blame the natural, historically normal response rather than the causal factor.

Blogger Lovekraft November 14, 2016 6:01 AM  

Jews and blacks are in the forefront because they make the most noise/damage.

Blogger Fenris Wulf November 14, 2016 6:37 AM  

When I grew up in the Midwest in the 80's, we were taught in public school to revere the Constitution and the Founders. I'm pretty sure this is no longer the case.

I'm currently in a California college town full of Asian kids. They tend to be studious and apolitical. They're not prone to SJW insanity. But they don't have a clue about America's original culture, either. Any attempt to educate them about the value of the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition would result in a blank look.

Closing the border is a matter of national survival. It has to be done IMMEDIATELY. Once the Alt-Right has taken back the institutions, we can THINK about letting in a few immigrants, on our own terms.

Blogger Tommy Hass November 14, 2016 6:48 AM  

"It's very simple. Once immigration exceeds a certain level, there will be blood, sooner or later."

Proof by assertion.

How many wars have happened as a result of Italians coming to America?

Blogger Tommy Hass November 14, 2016 6:50 AM  

Btw, did you just imply that opposing legal, state-enforced segregation is oppostition to "white" interests?

Blogger Timmy3 November 14, 2016 10:09 AM  

Other than the Chinese voting 2 to 1 for the Democrats, the rest of the analysts is rather useless and a lot of generalizations were made. The Chinese is like any other minority group where some are quite poor and new immigrants. Yet some are quite rich and professionals so they are no different than the Democratic elite. So that's why they vote as they do. They don't identify with the plight of white working class because there's no history of the Chinese in US manufacturing , but maybe some will see the folly of losing professional and technical jobs to Indians with the H1B visas. What a waste of a good education only to lose the opportunity to foreign interests and the loss of US corporations. In one case manty years ago, a Chinese with advanced degrees lost his job from Kodak. He couldn't recover professionally. This happens a lot.

Anonymous Avalanche November 14, 2016 11:07 AM  

@135 "One thing cucks like to claim is that Whites wouldn't object to Negroes if they behaved like Whites (i.e. it's culture not skin color myth). The Chinese put a lie to this. Sure, they take up the violin and play Western orchestral masterpieces. But they don't and can't create or write this music - it's not part of their soul."

Really great interview with Frank Raymond on Red Ice Radio, where he, (a 'dot' indian) raised in British schools, discusses alllll the things that are quintessentially WHITE -- and will go away (are going away) as we are genocided...

Obviously brilliant (classical!) music and the amazing architecture of Europe -- but small stuff too: the only race that does crossword puzzles is White. The only race that enjoys anagrams is White: other races are just completely bored/uninterested/confused...

ANY ecological 'saving' is a White thing -- see what the S. Americans are doing to the environment in the SW United States (and everywhere else)! And of course, the time-horizon thing is White: seed-banks,"save the whales or tigers or ...," prepping {wink}...

The old saw: "wherever Africans are, there is Africa" needs to come out of history and get used more!

Anonymous Avalanche November 14, 2016 11:12 AM  

@145 "The Chinese will not take over the Democratic Party until Democratic Party policies adversely affect the education and wealth of Chinese."

E.g. in California, where college admissions NOT providing extra points/help to NAMs has been fought tooth and nail-- and successfully -- by the Asians/Chinese because when it was shot down, THEY were/are not held back by affirmative action!
(Whites still get screwed though.)

Blogger Unknown November 14, 2016 2:51 PM  

Vox - I recommend you read some of Kevin MacDonald's work on the Joohs as a hostile elite. I do not see Asian Americans accumulating disproportionate power in the media and academia and then using said power to undermine the majority race and religion. There have been overseas Chinese in various countries at various periods, and they never occupied such a role. Same with respect to some of the Western European groups like Germans and Northern Italians that were successful merchants in various locations throughout the history the West.

You may not be so attuned to this as a Protestant, but should you read what the Latin and Byzantine Church Fathers wrote on the Joohs from the late Roman era through the medieval period, you'd see their complaints sound similar to those of modern critics of Joohery. Namely, the same hostile elite promoting warfare, immorality, and economic manipulation that all combine to undermine order and authority in a state.

Anonymous GreyS November 14, 2016 4:13 PM  

Oh so funny.

Yes, it was. You greatly overstate your experience with and understanding of asians, all while bashing others who you claim do the same. You deserve the jabs, even if it stings a bit.

They have zero loyalty to the cultures they invade, zero interest in the prospering of its native people, and their takeover of Vancouver is sufficient proof of the irrelevance of your personal anecdotes.

Never said it was their loyalty to the host country which might make a temporary alliance. It is their own loyalty to their own interests which might make an alliance. Pretty simple. Will it happen? I don't know. Will casual Asian Dem voters turn into rabid anti-whites and take over the Dem party? You don't know. Never said Chinese aren't out for their own interests. Never said they will put whites or the U.S. before their own interests. Never said a possible partnership would last forever. Never said whites won't have to look out for their own interests. Lazy.

You're so stupid, you think that micro-level interactions are a substitute for macro analysis.

More false summing up. Lazy.

People like you are part of the problem. You value being thought of well by foreigners more than you do the defense of your own people and culture.

Meh-- lazy angry horseshit. I could not care less what foreigners think of me. The harsh fact is that you are not all that experienced with asians in general and Chinese in particular-- your own version of credentialism notwithstanding.

God bless you VD. You might be going through some troubles which make you so hair-trigger lately, and if so I pray for you and yours.

I'm not in your shoes, having to face criticism and arguments every day through all sorts of channels, but I know it can't be easy to not overreact occasionally. Just remember that people who agree with you 90% of the time are not your enemy.

Pride is your biggest enemy, bro.

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts