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Friday, November 04, 2016

"Podesta practices occult magic"

Drudge is now leading with Spirit Cooking:
In what is undoubtedly the most bizarre Wikileaks revelation to date, Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta was invited to a “spirit cooking dinner” by performance artist Marina Abramovic, to take part in an occult ritual founded by Satanist Aleister Crowley.

In an email dated June 28, 2015, Abramovic wrote, “I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining? All my love, Marina.”

Tony Podesta then forwarded the email to his brother John Podesta (Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman), asking him, “Are you in NYC Thursday July 9 Marina wants you to come to dinner.”
However, in light of the increasing number of reports that allege Hillary's inner circle consists of traitorous criminals who practice occult magic and abuse children, I think it is very important for Rod Dreher, Glenn Beck, Matt Walsh, and all the other good, morally upright Churchians and Mormons to continue to keep in mind that Donald Trump is alleged to have once called an overweight woman "Miss Piggy" and "an eating machine".

Seriously, cucks, if it isn't clear to you already, understand that you're now WAY over the line. If you have any interest in retaining even a shred of credibility among sane and decent people in the future, you had better repent and recant now. Because, in what is turning out to be an epic struggle between humanity and seriously deviant spiritual evil, you are absolutely on the wrong side.


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194 Comments:

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 04, 2016 9:40 AM  

Drudge leading with this will have an impact. Not sure for whom, the real confirmation would be an arrest. Without that, it could backfire.

Blogger Kant Leerus November 04, 2016 9:42 AM  

Witch burnings seem a little more sane

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 04, 2016 9:44 AM  

The first two names Dreher and Beck are seriously damaged individuals, so much so they might be in better times sent to state hospitals.

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 04, 2016 9:44 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:Drudge leading with this will have an impact. Not sure for whom, the real confirmation would be an arrest. Without that, it could backfire.

Not sure how the arrest would relate. While practicing the occult is evil it isn't illegal unless you are imprisoning people against their will or abusing children.

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 04, 2016 9:46 AM  

Being arrested for what they are rumored to be engaged in will complement the occult stuff but looking bad for practicing occult rituals doesn't hang on an arrest.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III November 04, 2016 9:47 AM  

The shit in these Podesta and FBI leaks the last few days is so far beyond bizarre and creepy.

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist November 04, 2016 9:48 AM  

Any know what the 14 and the fish means?

And look at this dude's face. He LOOKS creepy!!!

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/794533297279811584

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 04, 2016 9:53 AM  

There is also a picture of "Lady Gaga" at some spirit dinner just weird shit posted at Free Republic, don't know if it is her because I don't pay any attention to Popsingertards

Blogger Johnny November 04, 2016 9:54 AM  

More than allegations of evil is the contention that more compelling evidence is coming. Well evidence, evidence. Is it forthcoming after this warm up? Lacking that they are shooting blanks.

Anonymous JI November 04, 2016 9:54 AM  

Well both Clinton and Trump are bad and hang around bad people. After all, sin is sin, and it doesn't matter to God which sin it was, whether you weren't nice and said a bad word or if you sacrifice small children on a bloody altar to Satan, it's all the same. So we here in Utah are taking a strong moral stance and saying NO! to both these bad people by voting for Evan McMullin. So there.

Anonymous Broken Arrow November 04, 2016 9:56 AM  

Occult and TPTB isn't even a question. Bush, Kerry, Skull and Bones and all. Even if most of the elites believe there's nothing supernatural going on, why do they keep doing the occult rituals?

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 04, 2016 9:57 AM  

What are cuckolds, but sick, perverse occultists themselves? The "horns of the cuckold" are original to the secrets.

Cuckservatives are masturbating to the idea that Hillary may literally consume children right now. Desecrating the family by pretending family values is what Beck stands for.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 04, 2016 9:59 AM  

I think it is time for some Mormon men to take Beck out into the desert and bury him there. As for Dreher, he is funded by somebody, that funding had better stop yesterday.

Blogger VD November 04, 2016 9:59 AM  

Without that, it could backfire.

FFS, stop cucking already.

"Oh, noes, what if we say something that we can't mathematically prove to the satisfaction of people who are desperate to deny it anyhow."

Seriously, what is WRONG with you people. Have you understood NOTHING I have written about how you can't even begin to convince most people with dialectic?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 04, 2016 10:01 AM  

Occult concepts are basically attempts to enforce reality to bend to the individuals will.

It has an air of mystery, but in the end it's no different than what the Cucks do, or the SJWs. It just has more evil added in.

Blogger Bobo #117 November 04, 2016 10:02 AM  

"So we here in Utah"

We really give a runny crap what Morms think.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 04, 2016 10:03 AM  

@4: The problem is that without hard proof, occult allegations make the accuser look like an overzealous fanatic. And the accused reaps a sympathy vote.

Blogger Mighty Lou November 04, 2016 10:03 AM  

Come on now, just look Glenn Becks fame and fortune, if that's not a perfect example of a man who met the devil at the crossroads I don't know what is.

Blogger Mighty Lou November 04, 2016 10:04 AM  

Mormon Mermen.

Blogger ZhukovG November 04, 2016 10:06 AM  

@Bobo #117: I think you need to send your Sarcasm Sensor out for calibration.

Anonymous SaltyDonnie November 04, 2016 10:06 AM  

Creepy doesn't begin to describe this.

I'm still not 100% on-board with the allegations of child trafficking, but what I've seen in his emails (and know of the Clintons' history) is encouraging me to run to catch that train. If nothing else, the claim is getting legs. I'm interested in what the NYPD knows - if it's actually true, Holie Sheet.

Blogger StrawMan November 04, 2016 10:07 AM  

Hillary is a corrupt POS, but the online Trump crew is putting out a ton of fake info right now. A lot of these rumors won't go anywhere.

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 04, 2016 10:08 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:@4: The problem is that without hard proof, occult allegations make the accuser look like an overzealous fanatic. And the accused reaps a sympathy vote.

There is an email talking about being excited about the ritual to Podesta's brother and asking if Podesta was going to attend? Is that not hard evidence?

Blogger Radio White Base November 04, 2016 10:09 AM  

How do we know Trump's going to beat her?
Signs and bumper stickers and people at the rallies are just parts of it.

People were saying Mittens had a chance in 2012 and look what happened.

I really don't think elections are effective if the people can be bribed with free cellphones and stuff. I feel you have to take the Russian and French models of power-passing: take office through force and eliminate your opposition.

Blogger Timmy3 November 04, 2016 10:10 AM  

The hard proof is the email. It's not an allegation. It's a practice that we are forced to discover. Child abuse and trafficking appears part of the ritual. The blood ritual is hard enough to see.

OpenID luciussomesuch November 04, 2016 10:10 AM  

Laura Wood, who's been on a crusade now for a long time against the (literal) pizza-industrial complex is gonna flip when she hears about this Podesta "pizza" business.

Somebody in one of today's earlier threads mentioned pizza-placement in Spielberg movies. I'd never noticed it but Andrea Ostrov Letania has from time to time pointed out examples of chutzpah in his films, and Rob Ager's latest release is a pair of videos on Saving Private Ryan's pro-war, pro-war crime, and anti-German propaganda.

And, come to think of it, Kubrick's original designs for AI explicitly grounded the project's child prostitution theme, which Spielberg obscured but lingers in disturbing offhand details, like the talking teddy bear apparently having an on/off switch up its butt.

The thing that strikes me about some of the Podesta emails is how, as in the pool party example, even if you STRAIN to read them in a perfectly "innocent" tone, there's no way to get around Podesta coming off as incredibly fey and off-his-rocker. Supposing the children aren't there as Eyes Wide Shut entrees, what is this "entertainment", this fun for all, supposed to be about? The obnoxious foodieism and forced tone of his banter, which all sounds like an incredibly annoying hostess, resolves into something disturbingly campy like the creepy made-up doppelgangers that haunt Dirk Bogarde in "Death in Venice".

Blogger VD November 04, 2016 10:11 AM  

The problem is that without hard proof, occult allegations make the accuser look like an overzealous fanatic. And the accused reaps a sympathy vote.

No, it does not work that way. That is cuck mindset. You think nothing should be done, nothing should even be MENTIONED, unless you have hard, unassailable proof.

That's ridiculously stupid. When has the Left EVER been able to meet that standard?

Again, stop cucking and living in fear of criticism.

Blogger ZhukovG November 04, 2016 10:12 AM  

@Napoleon 12pdr: I can think of nothing that will create a sympathy vote for Hillary Clinton. Save maybe her having some kind of 'Damascus Road' conversion experience and repudiating everything she's ever stood for and confessing all her crimes.

Even without proof the allegations and rumors alone are powerful. Undecideds may realize that even if the rumors are false; they are plausible. The simple realization that Hillary Clinton is someone for whom these vile acts are plausible may move many to vote for anyone else.

Blogger Matthew November 04, 2016 10:14 AM  

Spielberg getting caught out would truly make this The Current Year.

Blogger Mountain Man November 04, 2016 10:14 AM  

@10
Baaahaaaaahaaaaa...you mormons are so predictable..... Joseph Smith and his teenage brides... oh the irony of your angelic virtue signaling..baaahaaaaa

Anonymous That Would Be Telling November 04, 2016 10:15 AM  

@7 Undocumented Civilizationalist:

Any know what the 14 and the fish means?

And look at this dude's face. He LOOKS creepy!!!

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU7/status/794533297279811584


Well, he could be signaling he's a Christian White Nationalist, the 14 referring to the Fourteen Words "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." and of course the fish is obvious, except for the eye, but historically it wasn't always without an eye.

But, somehow, I'm not quite sure I can put my finger on it, I doubt it....

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric November 04, 2016 10:17 AM  

Matthew wrote:Spielberg getting caught out would truly make this The Current Year.
The pederast Jews in Hollywood getting their comeuppance and their entire power structure crumbling away would indeed be worth it almost on it's own.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 04, 2016 10:17 AM  

The funny thing is, imagining Hillary practicing black magic doesn't even stretch the imagination.

Blogger Mountain Man November 04, 2016 10:17 AM  

@13
With guys like JI comprising the majority of their religious faith, do you actually think that will ever happen?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus November 04, 2016 10:19 AM  

Is anyone else not surprised that John Pedoesta is an occultist?

Blogger Mountain Man November 04, 2016 10:20 AM  

@35
He looks like a smiling Jeffrey Dahmer. If he was a closet cannibal it wouldn't surpise me in the least.

OpenID simplytimothy November 04, 2016 10:21 AM  

If (Catholics/Christians in) the NYPD found evidence of this crap on the Wiener/Huma laptop then their revolt against the FBI and Comey makes perfect sense and it is another plausible data point along your line of conjecture .

Blogger ZhukovG November 04, 2016 10:21 AM  

@Mountain Man: If you send your Sarcasm Sensor to the calibration lab along with Bobo #117, I think you can get a discount.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 04, 2016 10:22 AM  

Compare to Trump summoning a spirit:

Trump: "Yeah hey guy, listen because I know a lot of you demons, a lot of great people, frankly, I call them personally all the time and to sat hello, and let me tell you what an honor it is, truly, to be summoned by me, believe me..."

Beelzebub: "Ye gods, do you ever get to the point?"

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 04, 2016 10:23 AM  

Recalling the occult hysteria of the 80s and 90s it seems that TPTB troll us with their depravity and mix it with a dose a of disinformation. I don't trust Alex Jones (the Russians are landing) which makes me suspect that the Bohemian Grove expose was disinformation in some way. Expose, disinform, discredit. I believe that the elite want an occult awakening, which means moving us down that track through those steps.

I also don't believe God will judge us as a nation until we actually choose the evil. I don't know what level that is or how wide our eyes have to be opened.

Blogger JWM in SD November 04, 2016 10:26 AM  

https://youtu.be/_4V50eWOgro
So...what did Breitbart actually know before he dropped dead outside a Santa Monica bar?

Anonymous TLM November 04, 2016 10:30 AM  

With all these new rumors & allegations coming out I keep being reminded of the movie The 9th Gate & Eyes Wide Shut. It appears Kubrick had it right, except instead of hot models it was kids. I didn't know who Epstein was until recently but what a Pedoface on that (((guy))).

Anonymous SaltHarvest November 04, 2016 10:30 AM  

Call it a hunch, but something seems off on this particular leak, like some people are taking the bait that arrived courtesy of friends in low places.

Blogger Sherwood family November 04, 2016 10:31 AM  

Okay, it's a deal. The Mormons will take Beck out to the desert and bury him, the Catholics take Dreher to the docks and send him to sleep with the fishes, the Protestants take Walsh out to the back forty and feed him to the hogs.

Blogger Kant Leerus November 04, 2016 10:32 AM  

They are being bought out by Chinese billionaires now a days anyway... we are more likely to have "family friendly" movies in the future in which men will not be portrayed as "baffoons/baboons/pigs/(insert any pejorative)" and more likely portrayed as the wiser component in the family

Blogger B.J. November 04, 2016 10:38 AM  

It's not a question of legality, it's fucking stupid. Proof that women are in charge. Wiccan/pagan/occult garbage is trendy among vapid idiots. Real men would never put up with this crap.

Blogger wreckage November 04, 2016 10:45 AM  

If this is an attempt at garnering support for Hillary by fabricating a witch hunt, it is hugely, horrifyingly, HILARIOUSLY poorly informed. Many, many more people believe in and are averse to "the vaguely defined occult" than are in any sense devout. Putting this out will scare off 10 soccer moms for every angry feminist who was already convinced of a patriarchal plot to destroy Hillary.

Blogger Nate November 04, 2016 10:46 AM  

"No, it does not work that way. That is cuck mindset. You think nothing should be done, nothing should even be MENTIONED, unless you have hard, unassailable proof."

Its like no one is aware of the theory of the Tipping Point.

The idea is as accusations pile up and pile up eventually they reach a point where people just get tired of it all and abandon the accused our of sheer frustration and moral exhaustion.

The idea is to push it to that tipping point.

However I believe that point has already been reached and is actually evident in Hillary's shitty polling week.

Anonymous travis November 04, 2016 10:46 AM  

"Call it a hunch, but something seems off on this particular leak, like some people are taking the bait that arrived courtesy of friends in low places."

In what way? It's not something Podesta could disapprove. In fact, even discussing it would give the rumors legitimacy.

Plus, he was really invited to a "spirit dinner" with an occultist. Again, why would he even address it?

It's a rumor that will linger out there. I don't see the Clinton campaign being behind this.

Anonymous VFM#1819 November 04, 2016 10:48 AM  

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealityCallsV/status/794533654861058050/photo/1

Interesting leaked email involving Obama.

Anyone else notice how much Epstein looks like Sandusky? Pedo face?

Blogger Ceasar November 04, 2016 10:48 AM  

If you are going to drop a bombshell then drop it. And this isn't it. This just makes Podesta look weird. Something even liberals already knew about Hillary and her circle.

I think this hurts the Pedo stuff if and when it’s dropped. The MSM will spend all weekend making fun of GOP for being so desperate to drag up this story and surmise as to what other pathetic stories Trump/GOP will come up with to try and win the election. Souring the pool of believability after this weekend.

Again, just drop the bomb and get it over with.

Anonymous Ironsides November 04, 2016 10:50 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Compare to Trump summoning a spirit:

Trump: "Yeah hey guy, listen because I know a lot of you demons, a lot of great people, frankly, I call them personally all the time and to sat hello, and let me tell you what an honor it is, truly, to be summoned by me, believe me..."

Beelzebub: "Ye gods, do you ever get to the point?"


I have to admit this made me laugh.

Blogger praetorian November 04, 2016 10:51 AM  

@44 the Catholics take Dreher to the docks and send him to sleep with the fishes

Dreher is an Orthodox problem now.

Happy to help, though, guys. Not too hung up on who the Holy Spirit proceeds from in the current year.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric November 04, 2016 10:54 AM  

praetorian wrote:@44 the Catholics take Dreher to the docks and send him to sleep with the fishes

Dreher is an Orthodox problem now.

Happy to help, though, guys. Not too hung up on who the Holy Spirit proceeds from in the current year.

Fine. Then deal with Francis. Everybody's got their cucks to deal with.

Blogger GAHCindy November 04, 2016 10:56 AM  

@51 That's the most damning email I've yet seen. "Assume we're using the same channels". Actual pizza and actual hotdogs don't come by "channels", and they sure don't get flown in from Chicago. And nobody talks about the food afterwards when it's pizza and hotdogs. I think I'm going to throw up.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling November 04, 2016 10:57 AM  

@45 Kant Leerus:

They are being bought out by Chinese billionaires now a days anyway

That, or something like it with more state involvement given when it happened, tied the Clinton machine to the Chinese, particularly through the Worthen Bank. They sold out long before reaching the national stage (or re-reaching it in the case of Hillary, who was fired from the Watergate Committee for, well, being Hillary, little has changed in her character since then except a penchant for secrecy, the only lesson it appears she learned from her endless stunts catching up with her).

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 04, 2016 11:00 AM  

Has Pedophil Sandifer weighed in yet about the credibility of the occult rituals involved?

The normalcy bias of the cucks here is surprisingly delicious. My inner sadist is finally blooming, and it's all thanks to Vox.

Blogger Robert Divinity November 04, 2016 11:01 AM  

The cucks no more believe in God than they believe in conservatism.

Anonymous ODG November 04, 2016 11:01 AM  

HiLIARy did do seances with "Eleanor Roosevelt", after all.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 04, 2016 11:03 AM  

Puts "Child Protective Services" in a new light, doesn't it?

#DrainTheSwamp

Blogger wreckage November 04, 2016 11:04 AM  

To counter "the tipping point" let me offer an Australian political aphorism:

Shit sticks.

Blogger Paul November 04, 2016 11:05 AM  

@13 Mr.MantraMan November 04, 2016 9:59 AM

I think it is time for some Mormon men to take Beck out into the desert and bury him there. As for Dreher, he is funded by somebody, that funding had better stop yesterday.


Mr. MantraMan, Rod Dreher is funded by you and me:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/about-us/

It's probably not a coincidence that so many cucks enjoy working for organizations funded, like NPR, by the U. S. tax code. Hillary is butter for their bread.

Blogger S1AL November 04, 2016 11:11 AM  

"the Protestants take Walsh out to the back forty and feed him to the hogs."

You picked Walsh over, well, anyone who matters? There are so so so many modern day Sadducees pick from.


"Dreher is an Orthodox problem now."

That's OK, you guys can take care of Kaine once the Clinton campaign melts.

Anonymous Riddick November 04, 2016 11:12 AM  

This stuff is truly horrifying. Bone deep shivers. Like coming face to face with a giant spider.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 04, 2016 11:16 AM  

If (Catholics/Christians in) the NYPD found evidence of this crap on the Wiener/Huma laptop then their revolt against the FBI and Comey makes perfect sense

That's true, although this pattern has happened before: guy gets busted for running a child porn/prostitution ring; cops seize everything; cops announce/leak that his extensive records include the names of many famous and powerful people in various countries and people will be shocked to see how far it goes (maybe "all the way to the top!"); the operator of the ring and his flunkies go to jail; a couple years later people think to themselves, "Hey, whatever happened to that pedo ring thing?"

That could happen again. I think the difference this time is that the cops didn't get the information first, so it can't be stifled there. If Wikileaks actually has the goods, the cops can't drag out the investigation while waiting for bribes or orders from above on whom to charge and whom to protect. If they act today, I'd credit it more to that than to moral outrage, though that may exist too.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling November 04, 2016 11:17 AM  

@62 Paul:

It's probably not a coincidence that so many cucks enjoy working for organizations funded, like NPR, by the U. S. tax code. Hillary is butter for their bread.

Are you saying there should be no such thing as non-profits in the US tax code?

Given the continuing to this day abuses by the IRS of that, I can most certainly see a case being made for that, especially if we significantly drop our current 2nd highest in the world corporate tax rates, but....

Anonymous BGKB November 04, 2016 11:20 AM  

Now I feel stupid for ordering a Bill Clinton Rapist shirt.

Any know what the 14 and the fish means? Seriously you don't know that fish is for girls?

Even if most of the elites believe there's nothing supernatural going on, why do they keep doing the occult rituals?

For the free hot dogs and pizza.

NO! to both these bad people by voting for Evan McMullin.

His ex boyfriend says he gives bad BJs, he scrapes his teeth.

take care of Kaine once the Clinton campaign melts.

Maybe there are pictures of Kaine stuffing his face with hot dogs with confectioners sugar on top.

Related: don't forget lamestream bragged about how good Philando Castile was with kids, giving them extra food at a school lunch lady, when he had videos smoking pot while driving with a little girl in the back seat and bragging on twitter to being a tycoon gangster who provides underage girls for trafficking. So people really do openly talk about this stuff
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/10/falcon-heights-philando-castile-shooting-update-radio-dispatch-and-dash-cams/

Blogger Stilicho November 04, 2016 11:25 AM  

All this crap is eerily reminiscent of an 80's B movie, The Believers, starring Martin Sheen that revolved around NY society/social climbers being secretly involved in animal scrifice/curses/Santeria/voodoo. Life imitating art or vice versa?

Blogger SemiSpook37 November 04, 2016 11:25 AM  

@44

No, Walsh goes with Dreher, as he's a cucked Catholic.

And for the people saying the proof will be the arrest, the damage has already been done. The proverbial genie has been let out of the bottle, and there's no way that it's going back in. Even as a "joke", this shit isn't funny. It's beyond fucking disgusting.

Blogger Darwinian Arminian November 04, 2016 11:26 AM  

However, in light of the increasing number of reports that allege Hillary's inner circle consists of traitorous criminals who practice occult magic and abuse children, I think it is very important for Rod Dreher, Glenn Beck, Matt Walsh, and all the other good, morally upright Churchians and Mormons to continue to keep in mind that Donald Trump is alleged to have once called an overweight woman "Miss Piggy" and "an eating machine".

. . . . Don't forget Russell Moore.

Anonymous diznave November 04, 2016 11:27 AM  

wow. BB had Erik Prince (Blackwater) on and is reporting that Weiner and Huma are both cooperating. Said NYPD believes Hillary was at Epstein island 6 times. Confirmation of the stories from the other day.

Breitbart Link

Anonymous RCFlyer November 04, 2016 11:28 AM  

Apologies if anyone raised this already, but I'm wondering if this is the reason Drudge has been posting all those inexplicable/odd links to stories about exorcisms and demonic possession for months/years now.

Blogger Quadko November 04, 2016 11:28 AM  

This and the child abuse allegations make Tom Kratman's Amnesty International & UN evil in the Carerra series look not so much like fictional predictions as tame fictionalized communication of the existing evil we need to deal with immediately.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=Carerra+series

Anonymous VFMUltra November 04, 2016 11:31 AM  

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/794247777756860417/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Here is a nice link to a wikileaks email string connecting Hillary and Huma with some more documented child traffickers. It would seem that the foreign children (here specifically Haitians) are the one's used in rituals where the victim doesn't survive. The children of some of the participants seem to also be used but in more straightforward sex crimes (rape, molestation) These children would (obviously) be more readily noticed if they went missing.

Blogger Stilicho November 04, 2016 11:31 AM  

@66 I will say that: NO tax exempt organizations. NONE.

And before some idiot cries "Muh Churrch" please note that churches (or any other recipient of a gift, charitable or not) is NOT taxed on the gift.

Blogger Paul November 04, 2016 11:32 AM  

@66

Are you saying there should be no such thing as non-profits in the US tax code?

Not necessarily; what I said was clear and unambiguous, although you're certainly free to make whatever leaps you wish with your own comments.

I was just pointing out that Rod Dreher and many others like him are quite happy as "conservatives" to be paid solely by begged-for contributions deductible under the tax code.

But, believe it or not, there are capitalist alternatives: you publish a magazine, you offer it for sale, people - thus only those interested in it - buy it with their and only their after tax income.

The American Conservative is only distinguishable from NPR by virtue of the groups they beg from, which seem to overlap more often than not.

Blogger M Cephas November 04, 2016 11:35 AM  

@10.

I'm not sure if you were joking, but in case you weren't:

Not all sin is the same. You know it from your own conscience when a sin is far more harmful to yourself and others.

What about Evan McMullin? Are you suggesting he is free from sin, and has lived a perfect life worthy of being called Christ-like?

If you believe you can't vote for Trump because he has sinned. And you believe all sin is the same to God and you cannot vote for either Trump or Clinton. It follows logically you cannot vote for anyone else who has committed a sin, as all sin is the same, in your view.

So either a sinless perfect candidate, or you can't vote.

Blogger Alexander November 04, 2016 11:35 AM  

Tangential, but if/when all of this comes out into criminal charges, will it count as one occurrence of John Scalzi supporting pedophiles, or do we account each individual criminal separately?

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist November 04, 2016 11:35 AM  

Oh, well, now... looks what just went live as the top headline at Breibart:

REPORT: Hillary ‘went to sex island with convicted pedophile’ — at least six times!

http://www.breitbart.com/

Blogger flyingtiger November 04, 2016 11:35 AM  

Hillary is promising to release the demons from Hell. I am tempted to vote her because of this. However, I realize that Hillary has a history of not keeping promises and never accomplishing anything.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 04, 2016 11:38 AM  

Stilicho wrote:All this crap is eerily reminiscent of an 80's B movie, The Believers, starring Martin Sheen that revolved around NY society/social climbers being secretly involved in animal scrifice/curses/Santeria/voodoo. Life imitating art or vice versa?

Yeah, except the cultists were fundamentalists pretending to be Santerians or something like that. It was a critique of the Moral Majority.

Which is why it wasn't scary. Because it wasn't - at the primeval level, true.

I could be remembering it wrong. I'm pretty sure I only saw it back when it was newish.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 04, 2016 11:42 AM  

This explains Trump making those jokes to Hillary about Hillary abducting molesting and murdering Haitian children.

Because Hillary was abducting molesting and murdering Haitian children.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 04, 2016 11:49 AM  

Zerohedge at 11:10 put up a bit about Comey making an announcement and that causing the Peso to surge in value. Nothing more than scuttlebut Wall St rumor so far.

Anonymous RCFlyer November 04, 2016 11:51 AM  

I've been wondering what it would take to bring on the Day of the Rope. I didn't think even a financial collapse would get us there. But yeah, this would do it.

Blogger Elocutioner November 04, 2016 11:52 AM  

I seem to remember a story from the 90's about Hillary holding a seance for Eleanor Roosevelt in the White House.

Blogger Elocutioner November 04, 2016 11:56 AM  

@84 RCFlyer - "I've been wondering what it would take to bring on the Day of the Rope."

Americans can forgive a lot of things, especially around financial crimes, graft, bribery, or victimless crimes. Fine, here's your punishment, pay restitution, serve your time, pay your debt to society. But crimes against children? ZERO mercy. That makes blood boil. Earthly punishment only delays justice.

Blogger Bard November 04, 2016 11:59 AM  

Trump Pence = Trumpets phonetically
(Nim)Rod-Ham and Kaine (son of Ham)
Coincidence?

Anonymous bobdobbs November 04, 2016 12:00 PM  

Spirit Dinner. Huh.

That would be the only possible explanation for Lena Dunham.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling November 04, 2016 12:02 PM  

@75 Stilicho:

@66 I will say that: NO tax exempt organizations. NONE.

And before some idiot cries "Muh Churrch" please note that churches (or any other recipient of a gift, charitable or not) is NOT taxed on the gift.


But why would that continue to be the case? What principle that you can write into a tax code distinguishes such a gift from ordinary income?

We are, after all, talking about converting non-profits like "Muh Churrch" into for profit corporations, and that has a lot of implications.

For one relevant analogy for gift income, see tips to service workers, which are most certainly counted as income by the IRS, and also allow things like paying less than the minimum wage, with expected tip income making up the difference. As well as harassment by the IRS in areas of the country where people don't tip, or tip much, the proximate cause of the harassment and imprisoning of Congressman George V. Hansen.

Blogger Anthony November 04, 2016 12:02 PM  

Vs, it does work that way, if you make the allegations without any visible evidence. But the Podesta emails ate evidence enough that undecideds might say "that's terrible" and vote against Clinton, or they might say "that's nuts", but that won't translate into an automatic sympathy vote. They'll think that it's weird enough to have some doubts about Podesta's character, and by association, Hillary's. So they'll decide on some other basis.

The people who will think that even floating the idea of the occult, given the emails, is completely crazy, we're already voting for her.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 04, 2016 12:04 PM  

Doesn't seem at Noon EDT that the D party apparatus has a mocking campaign in gear over the occult/pedo accusations so that is one indicator in our favor.

Blogger The Rev November 04, 2016 12:06 PM  

@31

I'm gonna go full tinfoil investigator on this 14 fish thing.

1). There's some sort of medical schedule recordkeeping organization in the UK called "Fourteen Fish." Having trouble figuring out where they got the name from.

2). There's a kid's book called "The Fourteenth Goldfish" about a scientist who discovers an age reversal formula.

3). May be a reference to "The Lovely Bones" main character Susie Salmon, raped and murdered at age 14. Book was based loosely on a real murder (http://old.post-gazette.com/localnews/20031012unsolved1012p1.asp)

4). As BGKB points out @67, "fish" is slang for biological women among gays/trannies.

5). Found a song called "Fish Fourteen" https://music.yandex.kz/album/728784/track/6804679

6). The phrase "Fourteen trout" appears in The Social Network movie, compared to a 3,000 pound martin. Aka, do you wanna be the guy who caught 14 trout or the guy who caught a 3,000 pound martin?

Nothing super compelling. Anyone recognize his bracelet as anything significant? If this is occult/performance art, small details matter.

Anonymous Incurvatus November 04, 2016 12:06 PM  

The Podesta Pedophile to Jacob Wetterling web

> The Podesta pedophile news brings Johnny Gosch to mind, as I was a paperboy in the mid-80’s. Abducted from his paper route in 1982, Johnny was among the first missing kids to have his picture placed on the milk carton.
> Triggers my memory of barely escaping a street abduction attempt in 1986 by driving through backyards on my moped.
> Visit the Johnny Gosch foundation website. Rabbit trail to Omaha and Franklin Credit Union.
> Rabbit trail to an anon eight year old Youtube vid by a man who survived a **wicked** lifestyle. Videos give a walking tour of downtown Omaha. He mentions a name referring to a crime. I google it.
> “Jacob Wetterling.” The case broke wide open in Sept. Sounds familiar because Vox & SB posted & Tweeted about it. Every region has their own kidnapping story.
> Rabbit trail to David Shurter, who turns out to be the anon Omaha tour guide. He’s convinced it was his father who killed Wetterling, not the felon already in prison given a plea-deal to not be prosecuted for murder.
> Father drove a big blue Northern Propane Gas (later Enron) utility truck, a detail not known to the public.
> Rabbit trail to read the federal court transcript of confession of plea-deal felon. Details don’t make sense. Felon refers to his ‘car’ not ‘work truck.’ Buries kid with a front end loader, but year later all the bones are on top of ground??
> The case miraculously closes a month after Shurter mentions his dead father’s Wetterling connection in radio interview. How tidy and convenient.
> Weep & pray. TFW shit-just-got-real-martin-lawrence.gif
> Will take the rest of the day off work. Will go to gym to #MAGA one muscle group at a time. Will hug kids first chance I get. Will reorganize and restock the reloading bench. Hard times are here for Men of the West.

Anonymous VFM#1819 November 04, 2016 12:07 PM  

A lot of coincidences lately. Check this one out.


It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead, and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. This is where it calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number, and its number is 666. -Revelations 13:16-18

What is (was) the 6th letter in the Hebrew alphabet?

Blogger Servant of the Chief November 04, 2016 12:08 PM  

I am not going to lie, when I first learned of the rumours of the child abuse, right here on VP as a matter of fact, I seriously honestly wished it wasn't true.

Fuck Hillary Clinton and I hope she'll go down for all of her crimes, but this is one thing I simply wished was not true, its just too fucking horrible.

And now there is Satan worshipping involved?

What even is 2016 and all of these happenings? I am at full What.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 04, 2016 12:11 PM  

The idea is to push it to that tipping point.

Also, normal human beings, however much they profess "innocent until proven guilty," operate in their daily lives much more on "where there's smoke there's fire." Not many people are going to hire a babysitter who looks like a heroin addict, telling themselves, "Well, I don't know he's one."

There's always been smoke around the Clintons, but it's been building lately, and every time another puff appears, it's a bit harder for people to say, "Well, it sure looks like there's a fire there, but I'll stick my hand in anyway."

Blogger Basil Makedon November 04, 2016 12:13 PM  

@94 Apparently, 6th letter in Hebrew and Aramaic is "Waw" and of course in Greek it is zeta.

@95 I have similar thoughts.

Blogger Tuatha November 04, 2016 12:14 PM  

Dear Vox Day,
What is your take on the fact that the first name of god used in genesis [Elohim] is a plural that literally means "Gods"?

Anonymous Icicle November 04, 2016 12:14 PM  

I've stated in the past that one reason I left the USA was due to my momentary glimpse into the social circles of power there. I met Donald Trump in passing back in 1988, as a consequence of a brief relationship with someone who was on the outskirts of those circles. And I had an amount of other exposure to various people in positions of not-insignificant power.

What did you see Vox? You are in Italy now and enough time has passed. It should (might) be safe for a post.

Anonymous Flong November 04, 2016 12:18 PM  

LOL, the alt-right is now accusing a woman they don't want to be president of witch-craft. If we didn't give you the minimum amount of credit, this would have been so predictable.

Blogger praetorian November 04, 2016 12:20 PM  

Life imitating art or vice versa?

It's always both.

Anonymous Icicle November 04, 2016 12:23 PM  

"Artists are the antennae of the race" as Ezra Pound said.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore November 04, 2016 12:23 PM  

Hey guys, remember what Vox said about stepping in the poop --------> @100

Stay away from the poop. That is all.

Blogger Mighty Lou November 04, 2016 12:23 PM  

It refers to the trinity.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 04, 2016 12:26 PM  

@86 And pedos don't last in prison. The other prisoners kill them, generally

1. because many of them were abused
2. because it is something they can do that they know is 'good'.

Blogger VD November 04, 2016 12:29 PM  

LOL, the alt-right is now accusing a woman they don't want to be president of witch-craft. If we didn't give you the minimum amount of credit, this would have been so predictable.

We always know when you're nervous because you're LOLing.

Blogger Stilicho November 04, 2016 12:30 PM  

@89 gifts/donations are NOT taxable income to the recipient under the current tax code. That treatment has nothing to do with tax-exempt status. I could give you $100k and it is not a taxable event for either of us. Same if I gave $100k to IBM. No taxable event. Now, if tax-exempt status went away, charitable DEDUCTIONS would not be available to you, but I'm fine with that. Small price to pay for the benefit of getting rid of all these leftist orgs (e.g. Clinton Foundation) masquerading as charities and evading the taxes they should be paying. Do you hear that sound? They are laughing at you.
Now, if you do not want to take my word for it as a former accountant and tax lawyer, don't. Go look it up yourself (all the tax code provisions and IRS publications are available online) or pay a tax lawyer to do it for you.

Anonymous Tipsy November 04, 2016 12:32 PM  

Here's an irony. Clinton surrogates are quick to call Trump Hitler. Yet, those following Hitler's occult practices are Clintonistas.

Blogger Bard November 04, 2016 12:33 PM  

NLOLing

Anonymous Flong November 04, 2016 12:34 PM  

VD, I'm nervous, it's shouldn't be a tight race, and yet it is. But stooping to "witch-craft" is a whole different level of desperation.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 04, 2016 12:38 PM  

Here's what makes me cautious: nobody serious waits until Guy Fawkes day to release news like this. That's just ridiculous. Are they occultists themselves that the stars have to align before they can take action?

Waiting until the 5th just because that's Guy Fawkes day is horse hockey. It ensures the information won't even hit the news cycle until the day before the election. Tons of people voted before the 5th. It adds up to somebody trolling or wishful thinking. Anybody remember the Ulsterman deal and his white house insider?

Anonymous Ron November 04, 2016 12:39 PM  

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/

Erik Prince goes on record saying his sources in the NYPD confirm the underage sex allegations of Clinton and company.

I am starting to believe it. Erik Prince is credible.

Blogger Bard November 04, 2016 12:42 PM  

110) Don't be nervous. Be strong and courageous. God has not given us a spirit of fear. She is a high level witch and the rumors have been flying for years. What has been done in secret will now be shouted from the rooftops.

Blogger S1AL November 04, 2016 12:43 PM  

That moment when you realize Weiner may be the *least* perverted member of this whole affair...

Blogger Lazarus November 04, 2016 12:45 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:Here's what makes me cautious: nobody serious waits until Guy Fawkes day to release news like this.

Do you know who Anonymous's symbol is?

Blogger Chris Mallory November 04, 2016 12:48 PM  

Stilicho wrote:I could give you $100k and it is not a taxable event for either of us. Same if I gave $100k to IBM.
Not true, if YOU give a gift to an individual or a for profit entity of more than $14,000 for 2016, then YOU will owe a tax, not the recipient. Charitable donations are an entirely separate ball of wax. You cannot give a charitable donation to an individual.

Anonymous Haven Monahan November 04, 2016 12:51 PM  

Apparently these people are huge fans of Aleister Crowley and they were playing Led Zeppelin IV backwards as they ate dinner! Brings me back to my stoner teenage days worshiping Jimmy Page. Makes me almost want to vote for Her! (Almost!!).

Blogger bob kek mando ( I are Spartacus ... and you can too! C'mon, give it a try, these crosses are way more comfy than they look ) November 04, 2016 12:51 PM  

107. Stilicho November 04, 2016 12:30 PM
I could give you $100k and it is not a taxable event for either of us.



flatly wrong.

there are both one time and lifetime limits on tax exempt status for giving gifts.

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/frequently-asked-questions-on-gift-taxes#5

Blogger Cail Corishev November 04, 2016 12:53 PM  

It ensures the information won't even hit the news cycle until the day before the election. Tons of people voted before the 5th.

The anti-Trump forces (we really need a name for the media/left/NeverTrump/cucks/neocons that are all on the same side now) have been overstating the amount of early voting to try to depress Trump supporters. Also, early voters are bound to be the most committed to a candidate/party already; they were never going to change anyway. Releasing with just days to go will have the greatest impact on the wishy-washy, purely rhetoric-driven undecideds. These people never make up their minds, so if this had come out two weeks ago, they'd already be getting over it and fretting about something else. It needs to be major news right up to election day, if it's going to have the maximum impact on them.

Anonymous krymneth November 04, 2016 12:56 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:nobody serious waits until Guy Fawkes day to release news like this.

Your mental model is broken. Nobody is sitting there free and clear with this information, with their sole concern being "when do I release this?"

If indeed this information does exist, you need to protect yourself and your loved ones, you need to exhaust normal processes if for no other reason that you need to be able to show that the normal processes failed to work, you need to fight against a myriad of other forces working to prevent you from getting the news out.

Finally, as you can already see from people's reactions, if the child trafficking accusations are true, you need to warm people up to the idea before you just out of the blue announce one day that nearly the entire government is trafficking children for sexual purposes.

It will be a miracle if this comes out at all, even assuming it's true and even now. It'll be a double-miracle if it manages to come out and affect the election. It'll be God's divine intervention and response to the pleadings of His children if President Trump even makes a dent in the problem, or manages to drive it deeper underground again.

Anonymous Jakeithus November 04, 2016 12:58 PM  

@111 "Here's what makes me cautious: nobody serious waits until Guy Fawkes day to release news like this. That's just ridiculous. Are they occultists themselves that the stars have to align before they can take action? "

Anonymous has always had a certain level of theatricality to what they do, it's the one thing that keeps me from dismissing it. If it's as big as rumoured, Nov 5 is the perfect day to release it in that sense. This news will spread, doesn't matter how close to election day it comes out.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 04, 2016 12:59 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Brick Hardslab wrote:Here's what makes me cautious: nobody serious waits until Guy Fawkes day to release news like this.

Do you know who Anonymous's symbol is?


Yes of course. Which makes it more sketchy. That's like having Trump ride in on an elephant because it's the symbol of the Republican party. That's like waiting to arrest a murderer on the stroke of midnight because it's more dramatic. It's foolish and frivolous.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth November 04, 2016 1:01 PM  

We Mormons also need to deal with Mittens and even knock some sense into Mike Lee. They are too prideful to admit how badly they screwed up.

Anonymous Goodnight November 04, 2016 1:07 PM  

Anybody remember the Ulsterman deal and his white house insider?

Funny, Ulsterman has also crossed my mind the last couple of days whenever I see anything from Truepundit.

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 04, 2016 1:09 PM  

Things appear to be getting interesting. Coincidentally NYPD and FBI are now all in investigating "unspecified threats" to New york city. DirectTV is experiencing outages specifically affecting news channels in swing states. This all seems a little too tidy to be occuring while these rumors are swirling.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 04, 2016 1:10 PM  

Churches were traditionally non-taxed entities due to the establishment clause. Hard to codify a tax on an organization that you can't form a law about.

The 501c3 debacle was how the IRS skirted this issue in order to specifically restrain what the government was proscribed by the dead document from restraining.

Anonymous 11/4 November 04, 2016 1:11 PM  

Fox News stream says Hillary will be on before 2PM.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 04, 2016 1:11 PM  

Remember, a lot of the hackers and reddit/chan guys who are doing the heavy lifting on this got into it for the LOLz. If letting them be theatrical means the job finally gets done, so be it.

Anonymous Just another commenter November 04, 2016 1:14 PM  

Mathew 10:34
Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

"Interesting times" is an understatement.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 04, 2016 1:30 PM  

@111: Politically, you're right. Best practice with a last-week surprise is to drop it Wednesday or Thursday, to give it time to percolate but forestall a defense. But we're dealing with amateurs who aren't that sharp on tactics, and who are drawn to the historical reference.

Blogger VD November 04, 2016 1:30 PM  

VD, I'm nervous, it's shouldn't be a tight race, and yet it is. But stooping to "witch-craft" is a whole different level of desperation.

We're not even remotely desperate. Trump already had it in the bag. Now we're just wondering how big the Trumpslide will be.

Blogger VD November 04, 2016 1:31 PM  

Here's what makes me cautious: nobody serious waits until Guy Fawkes day to release news like this.

Anonymous absolutely does. Do you know nothing about them?

Blogger Johnny November 04, 2016 1:35 PM  

Flong wrote:LOL, the alt-right is now accusing a woman they don't want to be president of witch-craft. If we didn't give you the minimum amount of credit, this would have been so predictable.

By my lights given the stuff that has already gone down this is minor stuff. Most people aren't going to buy into it. Except, I don't know, cuck servative religious types?

OpenID aew51183 November 04, 2016 1:37 PM  

To those complaining about poll numbers being too close for what this is, ignore them.

The latest bit of chicanery has been to manipulate the samples to dramatically under-report independent support for Trump. Indie vote doesn't shift from +15 trump to +7 trump overnight with no negative news.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 04, 2016 1:39 PM  

basementhomebrewer @124: "interesting. Coincidentally NYPD and FBI are now all in investigating "unspecified threats" to New york city."

Al Qaeda related, purportedly. Reported threats to Virginia and Texas, too.

Blogger Elocutioner November 04, 2016 1:46 PM  

H/t to ODG for remembering the seances before I did.

Apparently they were a regular thing according to Bill in 2012:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03-JZRojN_g

Blogger James Dixon November 04, 2016 1:47 PM  

> Are you saying there should be no such thing as non-profits in the US tax code?

There shouldn't be an income tax, so there should be no need for non-profit status.

Blogger Elocutioner November 04, 2016 1:51 PM  

Bill: "[Hillary] was known to commune with Eleanor on a regular basis... Eleanor had talked to her and reminded her..."

Who the hell regularly communes with a dead feminist? (Hint: that wasn't Eleanor.) That's some seriously twisted stuff. What the hell else does she believe?

Blogger Ray Mota November 04, 2016 1:58 PM  

"Podesta practices occult magic"
Drudge is now leading with Spirit Cooking:

ED

Aleister Crowley is on OUR side. He will vanquish Podestra in the snap of his fingers.

Don’t mess with the buzz saw son.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 04, 2016 2:04 PM  

Omaha gives me the creeps. I've always had vivid bad prescient dreams. The night I spent in Omaha almost 30 years ago and the dream I had there are still vivid.

Blogger Nick S November 04, 2016 2:13 PM  

But stooping to "witch-craft" is a whole different level of desperation.

It appears you're unaware of Hillary's descent and immersion into new age paganism at Camp David during Bill's 8 years in office as documented by Bob Woodward. That's okay. It's typical for ignorant ankle biters to show up around here presuming to educate us. We're used to it. What's your next trick. Quickly now before we bore of you.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 04, 2016 2:14 PM  

Less than I assumed apparently.

If it pans out I won't be surprised after the occult crap. That's depraved and vile enough for anything to be true

Blogger Ransom Smith November 04, 2016 2:17 PM  

I chuckle how some people still think the corruption is what will bring the Clintons down.

Corruption had been their game for nearly three decades. Nothing happened.

Sex cult stuff, will bring down anyone. People don't always care about corruption. They do care about pedophilia.


Also, for the love of god, demons are real. If your a non christian I can maybe see not knowing this. But a Christian? Seriously. Demons and he'll are very much real

Blogger SouthRon November 04, 2016 2:19 PM  

OT: Affidavit of Broward County, Florida voter fraud online now at Danger and Play. SOE Employees filling out stacks of ballots.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft November 04, 2016 2:27 PM  

@94. I see where you're going with a "vav vav vav", but wouldn't a "mem-sofit samekh vav" fit better? Actually there are many ways of adding up letters to reach that number, but Hebrew numerology seems to specifically go for adding all your numbers together, rather than creating an arabic-system-like chain composed of only ten possible numerators (digits).

@98. Considering that Genesis pretty rapidly goes into things like "and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God" I think it's safe to say that Genesis would appear to be referencing multiple parts of God, or what we might call the "Trinity".

Actually, if I remember correctly, "Elohim" actually translates to something along the line of "spirits" does it not? So it could be referring to both god and his created angels as well. Upon further research, Elohim is something of a loan-word to Hebrew, and Hebrew has an interesting oddity that allows Elohim to actually be simultaneously singular and plural, AKA "God of Gods" or "Authority of Authorities". I guess that makes it pretty obvious where "King of Kings" comes from, doesn't it? On top of that, all the uses of "Elohim" in the Hebrew bible are contained within grammar that specifically defines it as a singular term.

@100. "My body and mind are ready." Praise Kek, for he giveth unto us manna to eat.

@105. I'm inclined to think that even criminals like very much to think that they have standards, and the less of them they have, the more valuable of a psychological commodity they become. Some few things violate all standards, and rape of women or children is definitely considered to be one of those things.

@111. It takes about 4-5 days from what I've seen for something to begin to blow over to the point the spin doctors can try to rotate it with the help of heavy gloves. The 5th seems pretty much perfect. The longest time to get out to the voters without being enough to be spun appreciably.

@114. So you're saying he's a +20 Weiner of Purity by comparison? Oh boy...

@115. Yeah, it's a globe, with palm fronds curved up and around but not touching, and a man in a suit with a question mark for a head superimposed over the middle, all of the above framed in a circle. Sorry, It's not a Guy Fawkes mask, you might be thinking of Project Chanology...

@131. Indeed, it's all for the lulz, and Guy Fawkes day is maximum lulz when it comes to upsetting the established order.

On my own personal notes:
#1: The MSM polls are still blatantly lying. I'd bet Trumps ahead of HRC by about 15 points, maybe more.
#2: You guys remember that increased terrorist threat thing a few days ago? Was I the only one who got super suspicious that the locations seemed to perfectly match the states HRC said she thought she had or could steal from the repubs?

Anonymous That Would Be Telling November 04, 2016 2:28 PM  

@136 James Dixon:

> Are you saying there should be no such thing as non-profits in the US tax code?

There shouldn't be an income tax, so there should be no need for non-profit status.


Well, of course, but that's not the subject of this sub-discussion, just eliminating the concept of non-profits altogether, in a world where it's still very necessary to have limited liability entities.

And, hmmm, just going by Wikipedia, corporations did get swept up into pre-Sixteenth Amendment tax schemes, and in 1909, just before its ratification, the Feds enacted an excise tax on them.

And after centuries of propaganda against corporations, it's hard for me to see an elimination of the income tax that extends to them, but it's of course hard to see any elimination of the income tax in the first place, it gives the government too much power, and that goes infinitely more for corporations. But, hey, we might as well dream about it, certainly major changes are coming one way or another as we "run out of other people's money".

Anonymous Anonymous November 04, 2016 2:30 PM  

I've never commented here before, but this is too much. Watch this 60 Minutes show on pedos in the UK government, then tell me that it's so far-fetched to find the same behavior in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMr_x0ecbs

Blogger Benjamin Kraft November 04, 2016 2:31 PM  

@136. Heck yes.
@137. Maybe she actually meant "Belia(l)nor"?

As for HRC and witchcraft... there were numerous rumours even before Bill's second term.

Blogger kaflick November 04, 2016 2:33 PM  

I had always wondered how Hillary was chosen to defend that child rapist, maybe because she had experience in child rape? Pedos always stick together.

I also wondered how she could be so callous in regards to the child that was raped, maybe it was because she was used to it?

Maybe it wasn't just because she is an evil sociopath, It could be because it's a hobby too.

Blogger Stilicho November 04, 2016 2:44 PM  

@bob k mando:

You are simply wrong. $100k does not exceed the lifetime limit of $1 million, nor does it EVER get taxed to the recipient as income no matter how much it exceeds the lifetime limit (the donor only would pay the tax in that situation unless it is determined to be a fraud where the donor has nothing left to pay with, in which case the IRS collects the donor's taxes from the proceeds of the tax fraud). Nor does any amount of gifts under the lifetime limit constitute a taxable event. Reportable,over $15k sure, taxable, no.

Anonymous CloseHauled November 04, 2016 2:54 PM  

"I had always wondered how Hillary was chosen to defend that child rapist, maybe because she had experience in child rape? Pedos always stick together."

The may know each other ways.

Ever read what a alleged illuminati survivor "Svali" wrote about the generational cult? They are a pedo cult.

Whether what Svali wrote is real or not it is close to how I envisioned such an organization existing for generations ... on fear (google "svali illuminati")

Recall Herbert Bush also had his own Whitehouse pedo scandal.

Anonymous CloseHauled November 04, 2016 3:06 PM  

"Even if most of the elites believe there's nothing supernatural going on, why do they keep doing the occult rituals? "

Why did the Jews end up sacrificing their first born in the ring of fire to Moloch?

Because they saw some material or spiritual gain out of it.

Satan is king of the world. The temptation of Christ proved this and there wouldn't be a need of a 2nd Coming if Christ was already ruling here.

Anonymous Prof November 04, 2016 3:20 PM  

In that one suspicious email, they refer to a farm in Lovettsville, close to where I grew up if its Lovettsville, VA. The Firestone horse farm is basically in Lovettsville, close enough to call it that in any case. Its quite secluded. Might just be a coincidence, but there are a lot of coincidences these days. I am sure the Firestones are still connected to the global elite.

Anonymous CloseHauled November 04, 2016 3:39 PM  

Jay-Z connection to Spirt Cooker:

https://twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/794569425307451392

Jay-Z always flashing the Illuminati signs and hanging out with Obama.
youtube has plenty of disgusted rappers talking about the degenerate shit that goes
on in the rap music world ... like having to suck dick and take it in the behind
to get ahead.

Anonymous CloseHauled November 04, 2016 3:46 PM  

A word of caution:

How could the anti-Christ fool the whole world into believing he was the messiah (even the elect if that were possible)? By exposing and overthrowing the very powerful but sick sick elite.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft November 04, 2016 4:17 PM  

@153. Nowhere is it written that he will fool the whole world.

Actually, let's go back the the start. Nowhere is it written that the "anti-Christ" is a single person. There's a singular Beast, and a singular Dragon, and a singular Ram, but a singular anti-Christ? Nooooo..... It's almost certainly referring to a shizzload of false messiah figures, probably at totally different times with drastically different teachings and followings.

Anonymous Oye November 04, 2016 4:23 PM  

To Hate and Love for the Sake of God.

That is an Islamic idea.

Blogger cheddarman November 04, 2016 4:28 PM  

why should any Christian be afraid of this filth? One day they will kneel before our Lord Jesus and confess that He is Lord.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy November 04, 2016 4:33 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:Coincidentally NYPD and FBI are now all in investigating "unspecified threats" to New york city.
Curses! How did they find out about the gunpowder?

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Blogger Tuatha November 04, 2016 6:17 PM  

No answers from VD [or anyone for that matter] on why the beginning of the bible is polytheistic? How it brutally contradicts the rule of "ONE and only" god by attributing the creation of all existence to a multitude of deities? No response, not even a blunt insult or a 5-paragraph-long apologetics circle-jerk about plurals being-somehow-exactly the same as singular? Even in a grammatically-heavy language such as ancient hebrew that distinguishes each and every noun by number?
Oh my, it seems I stumbled across a forum of microcephalic cucks. Oh well, better luck next time somewhere smarter than room temperature and manlier than an emo's tit.

Blogger Sean November 04, 2016 6:25 PM  

@159 You must not read this blog. Vox has spoken many times on this. There is more than one god. In fact Satan is the god of this world, so there's at least 2 right there. Go away, you're mommy is calling you for spiritcooking.

Blogger Tuatha November 04, 2016 6:35 PM  

"You must not read this blog. Vox has spoken many times on this. There is more than one god. In fact Satan is the god of this world, so there's at least 2 right there."
So Satan was one of the creators in genesis? That's an interesting twist.

"you're mommy is calling you for spiritcooking."
Thats a funny thing to say to a guy who has not seen his mother face-to-face in nearly three years.

Blogger Basil Makedon November 04, 2016 6:52 PM  

@161 Go to google, look up a guy called Michael Heiser, a linguistic scholar of ancient semetic languages and a historian. Find his video on this very subject and watch. Your answers are there.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 04, 2016 7:01 PM  

Tuatha wrote:No answers from VD [or anyone for that matter] on why the beginning of the bible is polytheistic? How it brutally contradicts the rule of "ONE and only" god by attributing the creation of all existence to a multitude of deities? No response, not even a blunt insult or a 5-paragraph-long apologetics circle-jerk about plurals being-somehow-exactly the same as singular? Even in a grammatically-heavy language such as ancient hebrew that distinguishes each and every noun by number?

Oh my, it seems I stumbled across a forum of microcephalic cucks. Oh well, better luck next time somewhere smarter than room temperature and manlier than an emo's tit.

I saw at least three answers directly to you in this thread.
If you're not smart enough to read the replies, we can't help you. You can go look for them.

In the interim, you can fuck right off. No actual Christian doesn't know the answer to this question, and the fact that you don't know that only speaks to your abyssal level of ignorance and itterally bottomless well of stupidity.

The fact that you found an incredibly stupid argument on an Atheist debate points list doesn't make it intelligent, or sensible ore even cohernt. This has been understood since the beginning of Christianity, and Christ himself mentioned the solution in giving the Great Commission.

In other words, you too fucking dumb to even realize what a retard you are. If you want to criticize Christianity, there are valid points to be made, this isn't one of them. I'd suggest you read the Summa Theologica before your waggle your naked intellect here again, but you would be utterly incapable of following more than a few sentences of Aquinas.

Blogger S1AL November 04, 2016 7:02 PM  

Does the new guy really not rise to the basic understanding of capitalization? We need a better class of trolls.

Blogger Nick S November 04, 2016 7:05 PM  

Well, what do we have here? A knee biter? A troll who put on his big boy pants? A young gun looking to make a name for himself/herself/itself? A cunning linguist? For now, I'll just call you, Short Bus. See: http://infogalactic.com/info/Elohim#Grammar.C2.A0.E2.80.93_singular_or_plural

Blogger tz November 04, 2016 7:22 PM  

Hillary was going to get on her broom and sweep the electoral votes.

But one thing to avoid is that it is more about pedophilia, not about Satanic practices. Or just check out what happened to the Catholic church and their ability to cover it up for a time.

The Devil is in the details, but the clear obvious stuff will get them.

Blogger Johnny November 04, 2016 8:14 PM  

Until very late in the writing the Bible is polytheistic. Elohim is the name given to the collection of local pagan gods, the Canaanite gods. El was the head god. The Bible to some extent uses Elohim as a kind of generic term for god, and in that context Elohim is apt to be a reference to the Jewish god. There is also the contention that until Yahweh revealed his true name to Moses, he went under various different names, complicating what is intended when a non generic term for God is used.

English translations solve the problem of context by often converting proper noun god names into one of the generics; as Lord God, my God, Lord, God Almighty, God, etc..

Blogger Were-Puppy November 04, 2016 8:24 PM  

@33 Aeoli Pera
The funny thing is, imagining Hillary practicing black magic doesn't even stretch the imagination
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Somewhere (probably youtube) I saw a video where Bill Clinton was being interviewed and he admitted she goes to these places (it might have even been bohemian grove) to do her witchy stuff - but I thought he was joking :P

Blogger Were-Puppy November 04, 2016 8:25 PM  

@35 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Is anyone else not surprised that John Pedoesta is an occultist?
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Not me. I'm just surprised that this little angle is getting any legs. I found 2 emails in the very first wikileaks podesta dump about aliens and some space treaty and all kinds of crazy stuff and nobody much cared to talk about that one :P

Blogger Were-Puppy November 04, 2016 8:29 PM  

@39 Aeoli Pera

Compare to Trump summoning a spirit:

Trump: "Yeah hey guy, listen because I know a lot of you demons, a lot of great people, frankly, I call them personally all the time and to sat hello, and let me tell you what an honor it is, truly, to be summoned by me, believe me..."

Beelzebub: "Ye gods, do you ever get to the point?"
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Beelzebub: So, what do you say Donald? Do we have a deal?

Trump: Are you kidding me? This is a terrible deal. The worst deal, frankly, in all of interdimensional deal making history. You have terrible leaders. They think we're stupid. Crooked ChtHillary come up with this deal? Or was it OBalor? This is worse than NAFTA! I'm going to put up a wall between earth and hell, and you devils are going to pay for it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 04, 2016 8:35 PM  

Johnny wrote:Until very late in the writing the Bible is polytheistic. Elohim is the name given to the collection of local pagan gods, the Canaanite gods. El was the head god.

Straight-up bullshit. Not even remotely true.
The German Biblical critics would be very very proud of you. As would the JEsus Seminar.

Anonymous Sheiko29 November 04, 2016 8:35 PM  

So this is all modern performance art, apparently. Seems pretty tame compared to Matthew Barney. I mean, all that lovely masonic symbolism in the Cremaster Cycle!

Now those Wolves of Vinland boys, that is some brutal Occult stuff.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 04, 2016 9:06 PM  

Recall Herbert Bush also had his own Whitehouse pedo scandal.

I kinda agree with Barnhardt about this. Basically, all of the oligarchs and the high-level apparat are likely to be regular guests on Epstein's wonderland island paradise of eternal yooth with many trips on the Lolita Express, especially "conservatives" and Churchians. This includes the military, the FBI, the DHS, et al. How far down the food chain does it go? Who knows? Those in the lower levels are kept in line via the carrot and the stick - the stick being your family gets offed in some terrible, terrible 'accident' if you get out of line. The mafia of the olden days were mere keystone cops in the practice of evil and criminality in comparison. I expect that not even Haiti - a country literally founded with a sacrifice to Satan - has anything over the Banana Empire and its rulers in terms of utter evil and depravity. Nor does Islam, which somewhat explains why our overlords are so very fond of it.

Blogger Jack Morrow November 04, 2016 10:36 PM  

In 1995 there was a movie called Powder, starring Sean Patrick Flanery and directed by Victor Salva. While the movie was still in the theatres, it was revealed that Mr. Salva was a pedophile, and that Hollywood bigwigs such as Francis Ford Coppola had made sure that he was employed.

Remember the Twilight Zone deaths of Vic Morrow and the two kids on the set? The kids weren't supposed to be there at that hour, and the studio had lied and hidden the kids whenever child welfare workers had show up on the set. Hollywood circled the wagons and people such as Steven Spielberg took the witness stand and said whatever they had to to keep John Landis out of jail.

As for Hillary's occultism, she's well known for having New Ager Jean Houston as a spiritual adviser. And if you're able to find the May 10, 1993 issue of Time, there's a photo on page 1, with the caption "A spiritual healer in Montana blesses the First Lady". Some blessing.

Blogger Johnny November 04, 2016 11:18 PM  

As for Hillary's occultism, she's well known for having New Ager Jean Houston as a spiritual adviser.

They got down on Ronald Reagan's wife for some superstitious stuff that was minor compared to what Hillary is documented to have been into.

Blogger wreckage November 04, 2016 11:20 PM  

ELOHIM.
OK, Christians regard it as the trinity, but the monotheistic Jews who left that in their scriptures for a thousand years do not.
Hebrew is not English. Plural denotes supremacy.

"Elohim" means "God exceeding Godhood", as "King of Kings" means not the head of a federation, but "King exceeding Kingship" and "Lord of Lords" means "Lord beyond the meaning of Lord".

So if you're looking for the ancient conflict between the Monotheistic and the Samarian Jews, that isn't it; you are better off focusing on the title "Lord of Hosts", as the big contest early on in the conflict was "who hands us the battles? The One God, or The God of War?"

The consort of the God of War was the Goddess of Fertility, but being an ancient tribal deity she was aspected not only as the Mother but also as the Goddess of Fuck, to be blunt.

Moses apparent walking-back of commands to take nothing in the conquest of the Holy Land make a lot more sense if you consider he may have been forced to negotiate terms with a sizable contingent within his military who worshiped The God of Kill and the Goddess of Fuck.

Remember that the religious conflict over Ashera Poles and temple prostitution NEVER ENDED even in scriptural references, and the Samarian polytheists still existed in Christ's time (the Good Samaritan wasn't just from another town, he was a polytheist who identified YHWH witht the War God and claimed YHWH was banging a pagan goddess who had, in memory, demanded temple prostitutes and giant effigies of Cock)

The Samarian polytheist sect still exists today, but it is tiny, wit only a few hundred adherents.

Blogger Johnny November 04, 2016 11:44 PM  

@176
"Like other people of the Ancient Near East Canaanite religious beliefs were polytheistic, with families typically focusing on Veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El, Asherah and Astarte.

They selectively translate the Bible in a way that creates the impression of monotheism as a way to bring it into conformity with later doctrine. The later doctrine being monotheism.

The actual use of the word Elohim is variable. In some places it is explicitly referred to as the gods of Canaan, the collection of the pagan gods in the region, and in other places it is used as as a kind of generic term for god or gods.

And I agree, they do play fast and loose with singular and plural. Sometimes Elohim is treated as a singular generic reference, a kind of collective reference to all the pagan gods at once.

Monotheism came so late to the region that they even have known to be Jewish households that had "household gods" (little pagan statuary) in the era of Jesus.

Blogger wreckage November 05, 2016 12:13 AM  

Pretty sure they still have them today; they are certainly referenced repeatedly in the scriptures. Even within the Torah, the demand for monotheism really only begins with the Mosaic Law, which is a long way into the history of the region. Several prophetic texts of the OT are simply and openly about rejecting the broader Canaanite polytheism.

As a monotheistic Christian I see it as an ongoing argument over exactly who and what God is or entails. Monotheism is very unusual historically; pretty much only the Jews and Zoroastrians adopted it, or their common philosophical ancestor did; even assuming no conflict within the priestly caste it would be astonishing if polytheism and household gods / spirits hadn't existed in the folk-religion. English folk tradition has sprites and brownies who want saucers of milk; we overlook the fact that these are essentially the kind of creatures that are spirits and gods in the animistic/polytheistic folkways; but I think - I am relatively unread in this - that the divisions we make between gods and mythic creatures and fairies, between polytheism and monotheism in pre-literate peoples, are spurious and strictly modernist.

Anonymous JAG November 05, 2016 1:32 AM  

wreckage wrote:Pretty sure they still have them today; they are certainly referenced repeatedly in the scriptures. Even within the Torah, the demand for monotheism really only begins with the Mosaic Law, which is a long way into the history of the region. Several prophetic texts of the OT are simply and openly about rejecting the broader Canaanite polytheism.

As a monotheistic Christian I see it as an ongoing argument over exactly who and what God is or entails. Monotheism is very unusual historically; pretty much only the Jews and Zoroastrians adopted it, or their common philosophical ancestor did; even assuming no conflict within the priestly caste it would be astonishing if polytheism and household gods / spirits hadn't existed in the folk-religion. English folk tradition has sprites and brownies who want saucers of milk; we overlook the fact that these are essentially the kind of creatures that are spirits and gods in the animistic/polytheistic folkways; but I think - I am relatively unread in this - that the divisions we make between gods and mythic creatures and fairies, between polytheism and monotheism in pre-literate peoples, are spurious and strictly modernist.



The Egyptians briefly had a mono theistic state religion during Akhenaten.

The Babylonians were moving towards a montheism of Marduk who was absorbing all the traits, feats, and stories of the earlier Sumerian pantheon on which the Babylonian pantheon was based.

Heck, even the earliest evidence of religion during the Sumerian era indicates that An (the sky or heaven) was the only god, and that polytheism branched out of that once the Sumerian city states began to form into a nation state, and there were different religions that had independently sprang up in the original five cities of Eridu, Badtibira, Zimbir, Larag, and Shuruppag. Polytheism appears to be an attempt to unify these separate religions into a whole for purposes of uniting the people.

Blogger Tuatha November 05, 2016 2:20 AM  

"In other words, you too fucking dumb to even realize what a retard you are. If you want to criticize Christianity, there are valid points to be made, this isn't one of them. I'd suggest you read the Summa Theologica before your waggle your naked intellect here again, but you would be utterly incapable of following more than a few sentences of Aquinas."
I'm sorry, where exactly were you penetrated? To be so mad to call me an idiot when I can speak more languages than you and read even more than that is a clear indication that something is very wrong in your psyche. Especially when you drag the newer works in from medieval times that really have nothing to say about my point. [The summa theologica in particular is nothing more than a catholic perspective on the meaning of the bible].

Blogger wreckage November 05, 2016 3:09 AM  

JAG, I am happy to concede your point, but I'll bet a dollar the popular and folk-religion was polytheistic with some animism from the outset and remained so despite attempts to unify. Certainly the Egyptian monotheism didn't even unite the clergy, let alone penetrate to the commoners.

Blogger wreckage November 05, 2016 3:12 AM  

You're saying the Sumerians might have been monotheistic originally. The Egyptians flirted with it and it failed. Marduk might have been a "one God" eventually.... but he wasn't.

In other words, Monotheism is very unusual, and the only traditions that embraced it were the Jews and the Zoroastrians. Note that I specifically allowed that they had a common lineage.

Blogger Joe Keenan November 05, 2016 8:47 AM  

@180 Not a very good bluff (regarding the summa), it is not "nothing more than a catholic perspective on the meaning of the bible" See: http://www.newadvent.org/summa/

Blogger Vanished friend November 05, 2016 10:22 AM  

Well, I couldn't figure out how to post from my phone on Reddit, and I had no interest in posting on 4chan, and this needs to go viral, and I'm not sure why it is not exactly as big a thing as Spirit Cooking already, since it's even creepier, believe it or not, and I know for sure that you rabid puppies will run with this, so, have at it.

http://washingtonlife.com/2015/06/05/inside-homes-private-viewing/

First paragraph.

"If you’ve ever dreamed of strolling through a museum with a slice of pizza and glass of wine in hand, you need to befriend superlobbyist Tony Podesta. Known about town as a legendary political “fix-it” man, Podesta has turned his Kalorama home into a shrine to contemporary art, ranging from relatively under-the-radar artists such as Serbian painter Biljana Djurdjevic to those who are much better known (like French sculptor Louise Bourgeois)."

Biljana Djurdjevic. Do a Google Image Search. I'll wait. (10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...)

OpenID christianrestoration November 05, 2016 1:19 PM  

Elohim and other plural Hebrew names for God refer to the royal we. The royal we is where they speak in the third person, but it singular. This is what is taught by the rabbis and as Christians we should abide by it.

RE: Great Commission

The original version of the scripture just says, "be baptized in the Name,". The Name refers to Jesus Christ or Yeshua Mashiach. Jesus actually has two names given to him at birth as commanded in Matthew. The first is Immanu'el which means God is with us. Yeshua means to rescue or to deliver. Thus, his proper name in English is God is with us to rescue or deliver.

The Great Commission was altered roughly in 500 AD when the trinity doctrine took hold in the Roman Catholic Church. In earlier texts of the Roman Catholic, Peshitta, and Ethopian Bibles it was all unified with just the Name. If you look at all the other teachings on baptism they all say "in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ". Thus, the Great Commission passage was altered from the original.

The Gospel of Mark has an additional chapter added at roughly the same time as the alteration to The Great Commission.

There are three major branches of Christianity which are Roman Catholicism, Assyrian Church of the East, and the Ethiopian church. I'll include Protestantism as part of the RC tradition since it is an offshoot. According to scripture, the original Christian church was the Church of Jerusalem. After the Bar-Kohkba Revolt in the 130s, Rome decreed that no, Jewish person could enter into Jerusalem. That killed the Church of Jerusalem since it was a Jewish congregation under the leadership of Christ's family.

Rome fought with other Sees like Alexandria for dominance after that. It eventually won the top spot when Constantine convened a convention. There are no records of who actually founded the Church of Rome and Peter only was there at his execution.

The Assyrian Church of the East was founded by the Apostle Thomas and the Ethiopian Church was founded by the Ethiopian baptized in Acts.

A lot of modern Christian doctrines are based upon the antisemitism of the early church fathers who rejected the Tanakh. Original sin, etc... are not actually found in the Bible. A key thing to note that Christianity as Christ founded it was a sect of Judaism. Up until the Bar-Kokhba revolt, Jewish and Gentile Christians worshipped in the synagogues or in the Second Temple before it was destroyed. Jesus was a rabbi and part of the Pharisee sect. This is actually confirmed in scripture. The Pharisees were scribes that worked below the priesthood who were the Sadducees. If Christ taught anything that was contrary to the Tanakh he would have been executed at the very beginning of his ministry for heresy.

There's more I can tell you, but this post is getting rather long. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. I'll try to answer them.

Blogger sappbe November 05, 2016 3:57 PM  

Quadro, I feel you on the Kratman / Carerra connection. I'd like to know what Tom knows about this stuff, and also wouldn't.

Blogger Tuatha November 05, 2016 4:08 PM  

"Not a very good bluff (regarding the summa), it is not "nothing more than a catholic perspective on the meaning of the bible"

Its in the name, Jack. 'The sum of god's knowledge/study' [THEO-god+LOGICA-word/logos/knowledge]. Aquinas was a catholic priest [and a member of the Dominican order as a friar] and was writing from such a perspective, which was totally catholic, quite biblical, and [as any literate person could tell] the SUM of what he knew as his religion.
As if it really matters in the end. By the end of this century or even sooner the only christians will be a minority, or extinct.

Blogger Unknown November 12, 2016 9:29 PM  

14 and the fish has to do with the legend of Isis and Osiris.It is linked to the Temple of Set, an offshot of Satanism. The bracelet he wears is similar to the one President Park of South Korea wears who is also implicated in a similar scandal.

Blogger Anon November 12, 2016 9:33 PM  

14 and fish refers to the legend of Isis and Osiris. It is part of the mythology of Temple of Set, an offshoot of Satanism. Learn about Hillary's ties to Satanism https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ayHf7qbZGA
The bracelet Podesta wears is the same as the one President Park of South Korea wears who is also implicated in a similar scandal.

Blogger Anon November 12, 2016 9:34 PM  

Here is more proof https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ayHf7qbZGA

Blogger Anon November 12, 2016 9:35 PM  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ayHf7qbZGA

Blogger Unknown November 24, 2016 9:38 PM  

It could also mean Habbakuk 1:14, or fourteen fish in YouTube, fourteen fish software, www.fourteenfish.com OR it could mean "fishing for teens"

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