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Sunday, November 20, 2016

Still not about you

A discussion on Gab:
Vox Day
Even we American Indians have our sovereign reservations. Why shouldn't white Americans have their own sovereign country?

HorrorQueen
Where on earth would I go? I'm English, Gypsy, Native American and black... are we going to slice me up?

Vox Day
Do you also argue that interest rates should be set according to your personal financial situation? What will happen will happen. It's not about you.

Sciurus
Being multiracial myself, I don't understand how people have such a hard time getting this. Immigration policies that were instrumental to my existence have been disastrous for America. That's nothing personal; it's just a fact.
A strong, wealthy, free, and predominantly white America is in the interest of everyone in the world. Everyone in the world, even its enemies, are more likely to benefit from a predominantly white America that does not attempt to play global policeman or to enforce American cultural values around the world than one in which America is adulterated and diversitied and vibrantized into a muddy parody passed off under the same name.

The fact that there are hundreds of millions of non-white non-Americans who would prefer to live among white Americans than among their own kind does not alter the truth of the preceding statements in the slightest. Even illiterate savages who defecate in the street often prefer to live among civilized people who don't, particularly if those who don't are willing to feed, shelter, clothe, and clean up after them.

But it is not possible for many non-white non-Americans to live among white America without transforming it into non-white not-America. And that is why it is very much in the interest of non-whites and non-Americans to support the return of the USA's population to the pre-1965 ethnic demographics that were promised to Americans by the advocates of the 1965 Immigration Act. After all, do they really believe all that technology, investment, and foreign aid that is provided by white people is going to continue to flow once white countries are no longer white?

It is readily apparent that the immigration cargo cultists who subscribe to Magic Dirt Theory have never once thought through the obvious consequences of their policies.

Also, if your first response to the discussion of a macro-societal level issue is "well, what about me?", you are not fit to participate in the discussion. If you don't care about anyone else's interests, there is absolutely no reason for anyone else to take yours into account.

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158 Comments:

Blogger Lovekraft November 20, 2016 8:16 AM  

Anyone countering instinctive tribal desires by whites to establish secure, prosperous nations will have to first establish how their policies are beneficial (beyond UN feelz crap, of course).

A HorrorQueen on gab needs to establish her position, revealing her correlative education, class, race and history.

Secondly, she has to show commitment to debating the relevant issues, failing which by going into tangents and libspeak renders debate over.

With the objective in place, she then has to demonstrate how her position, on a balance of benefits, is worth following.

Anonymous Eduardo November 20, 2016 8:18 AM  

But what about me, Vox!!!!

I am like 12% dindu bro T_T

Oh wait this only applies to America? Oh cool them...

Have at it boys... And Dark Lord, especially the Dark Lord. Despite the fact that the Dark Lord is a mixed guy. Guess you could be those Ayn Rand followers man, you lack greed and selfishness, which are the pillars of Society! Or Savagery...

Blogger tuberman November 20, 2016 8:19 AM  

The Left and Globalists never thought of unintended consequences. It is the Left driving Identity Politics full steam. People like me read Pat Buchanan years ago, yet the Left is what drove me to look at things full white identity, and I see it even more in the sudden red pilling of fence sitting Whites recently. They wake by being pushed too far by Leftist Identity politics.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti November 20, 2016 8:19 AM  

I get the general point here, and furthermore I agree with it, but there are still practical considerations. It may be the case that there aren't enough people like "HorrorQueen" to make much of a difference, or that most of the people in his situation are light-skinned enough that, if they commit to the cultural values of neo-America, everything will work out.

But to me it seems at least as likely that there are going to be millions of people who are legal citizens of paleo-America, who do not have citizenship anywhere else, without a clear homeland to return to. I understand that for the alt-Nazis gas chambers are an acceptable solution, but I reject this on religious grounds. What then?

Blogger MycroftJones November 20, 2016 8:20 AM  

Answer to HorrorQueen: Brazilian caste system, baby. If you're really unlucky, Hindu caste system.

Blogger MycroftJones November 20, 2016 8:23 AM  

You know, Ireland won't even take back people who are genetically half Irish. There are a lot of mixed people. As an intellectual question, it is interesting to speculate on what humane solution there is for the millions of mixed in a White America. In Canada, the Metis tried to form their own sovereign nation, but the British government put an end to that with the noose and the firing squad. Today the Metis nation is a substantial portion of Canada. I say, just give them Manitoba; they can have it.

Anonymous Eduardo November 20, 2016 8:23 AM  

Lovekraft

Well why not let them Seggregate and play their cards. You would soon see how their policies work.

You people need some overhauling in the poltical system. The West needs. Political system should be more flexible and made to to bring the will of the people. Our system today gives power to non-representatives voted by the dumbnized majority. If wasn't for capitalism and people's goodwill the West would be as bad as any place else.

Blogger tuberman November 20, 2016 8:26 AM  

Hey, future virtue-signaling by some non-whites will be aimed at how much they love Western Civilization and White Culture.

Blogger hadley November 20, 2016 8:33 AM  

Oddly enough, the Federal government also recognizes Puerto Ricans as a separate and distinct nationality. Just as Indians have special national rights so do Puerto Ricans.

If you are white, you can move to Puerto Rico just like you can move to an Indian reservation.

But moving there no more makes you a Puerto Rican national than moving to a reservation makes you a member of an Indian tribe.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 20, 2016 8:34 AM  

The feminine mind is about self, combine that with Critical Theory and we have the modern Left feminized and infantile. And to think the Cucks are enthralled to them, George Will just die please

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable November 20, 2016 8:44 AM  

Let's see the wall, the Muslim ban and the immigration moratorium in place before everybody starts freaking about which half- or quarter-whites are going to be sent packing to their non-existent homes.

Currently -- and probably indefinitely -- that scenario is only an alt-white fantasy (and a ctrl-left nightmare).

Anonymous Godfrey November 20, 2016 8:51 AM  

Open borders for you.

Gated communities for the crony wealth Globalists.


P.S. Israel has a wall.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 20, 2016 8:51 AM  

Darth Dharmakīrti wrote:I understand that for the alt-Nazis gas chambers are an acceptable solution, but I reject this on religious grounds. What then?

That leaves firing squads, hanging, the guillotine, and Stalin's favorite mass starvation.

Blogger Shimshon November 20, 2016 8:52 AM  

@12 Israel has, depending on how you count, THREE walls.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 20, 2016 8:55 AM  

Israel has, depending on how you count, THREE walls.

How trinitarian of them

Anonymous Determinator November 20, 2016 8:58 AM  

I've advocated in the past for a "second class citizenship", or a distinction between citizen/resident. They're still afforded all or most protections of the Constitution, but not allowed to vote, severely limited freedom of speech/religion.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing November 20, 2016 8:59 AM  

I understand that for the alt-Nazis gas chambers are an acceptable solution, but I reject this on religious grounds. What then?

If it's the violence you're opposed to and not the specific method, then I highly recommend standing out of their way, for anyone viewed as getting in the way will be viewed as an enemy. A lot of us younger, more zealous people will have very little patience for those who stand in the way and pretend they're on our side. That will just get you put in the same category as the enemies.

Anonymous Laz November 20, 2016 8:59 AM  

@ 6. MycroftJones "As an intellectual question, it is interesting to speculate on what humane solution there is for the millions of mixed in a White America."

Assimilation or deportation.

Anonymous Godfrey November 20, 2016 9:01 AM  

You should all expect continued diversity lectures from crony wealth Globalists living in gated communities or exclusive million + dollar condos.

Open border for you. Gated communities for them.

If they want me to accept "diversity". My price is $50,000,000.

Anonymous Laz November 20, 2016 9:03 AM  

" A lot of us younger, more zealous people will have very little patience for those who stand in the way and pretend they're on our side."

There's a lot of Gen-Xers who think the same way.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti November 20, 2016 9:05 AM  

A lot of us younger, more zealous people will have very little patience for those who stand in the way and pretend they're on our side.

1) Quit LARPing
2) I'm happy to fight for whites in the race war, but if your "plan" calls for the mass extermination of innocents you are every bit as much my enemy as the others. I'm sure you'll find the vast majority of whites feel the same way.

Blogger rumpole5 November 20, 2016 9:12 AM  

The obvious answer is that folks who are white enough to "pass" will merge into white society. I once read that each year thousands of Americans who here-to-fore marked "black" on the forms just start marking "white" instead. If we could just stop the inflow into the USA the natural affinity of black men for white women, coupled with the unwise decisions so many young white women are prone to make, will eventually "whiten up the breed".

Blogger Matthew McDaniel November 20, 2016 9:13 AM  

Harsh, but true.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel November 20, 2016 9:15 AM  

Darth Dharmakīrti wrote:A lot of us younger, more zealous people will have very little patience for those who stand in the way and pretend they're on our side.

1) Quit LARPing

2) I'm happy to fight for whites in the race war, but if your "plan" calls for the mass extermination of innocents you are every bit as much my enemy as the others. I'm sure you'll find the vast majority of whites feel the same way.


with the the De-Christianizing of America I don't think he or his generation are LARPing. If things don't change soon scary times are ahead.

Blogger Joe A. November 20, 2016 9:17 AM  

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Blogger VD November 20, 2016 9:18 AM  

My expectation is that there will be multiple polities. Some will be pure Euro-white, others will be mildly mixed, and so forth. It would not surprise me if the mildly-mixed polities did very well, but then, I am a high-performance mixed-breed myself, so perhaps I am biased.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel November 20, 2016 9:18 AM  

MycroftJones wrote:You know, Ireland won't even take back people who are genetically half Irish. There are a lot of mixed people. As an intellectual question, it is interesting to speculate on what humane solution there is for the millions of mixed in a White America. In Canada, the Metis tried to form their own sovereign nation, but the British government put an end to that with the noose and the firing squad. Today the Metis nation is a substantial portion of Canada. I say, just give them Manitoba; they can have it.

forgive my ignorance, but what are METIs?

Blogger Cerdic Ricing November 20, 2016 9:20 AM  

I'm happy to fight for whites in the race war, but if your "plan" calls for the mass extermination of innocents you are every bit as much my enemy as the others. I'm sure you'll find the vast majority of whites feel the same way.

Our plan calls for them to be gone, one way or another. I care little how this is achieved, I have a goal to make happen. Which way this happens will be up to circumstance in the future. Some of us don't oppose the most extreme ways of making this occur. We don't care which way we make it happen, and after being bitten by cuckervatives and moderates for so long, moderate positions are held with a bit of disdain.

Anonymous Bz November 20, 2016 9:20 AM  

Why, send the multiracials to Sweden.

Blogger VD November 20, 2016 9:20 AM  

1) Quit LARPing

I've spoken to enough young Europeans to know they're not LARPing. Our generation hasn't been beaten up by blacks and Arabs and lived in daily fear of them. Theirs has.

2) I'm happy to fight for whites in the race war, but if your "plan" calls for the mass extermination of innocents you are every bit as much my enemy as the others. I'm sure you'll find the vast majority of whites feel the same way.

I'm sure they do today. I very much doubt they will once the fireworks begin and the inevitable provocations take place.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel November 20, 2016 9:22 AM  

VD wrote:My expectation is that there will be multiple polities. Some will be pure Euro-white, others will be mildly mixed, and so forth. It would not surprise me if the mildly-mixed polities did very well, but then, I am a high-performance mixed-breed myself, so perhaps I am biased.

I would highly recommend for everyone to look for E Michael Jones' talks on the "destruction of ethnic neighborhoods" on Youtube. Enlightening.

Blogger 1337kestrel November 20, 2016 9:25 AM  

Texas will be the Brazil of North America. California will be the South Africa.

Anonymous Bz November 20, 2016 9:29 AM  

"mass extermination of innocents"

Your skin is your sin. Please enquire about 'white privilege' within.

Blogger ZhukovG November 20, 2016 9:34 AM  

Extremist Nationalism IS the future unless the policies of the present change. To believe otherwise is both stupid and for millions of people existentially dangerous.

Personally, I am not optimistic about the future of the American Union. While Donald Trump buys us some precious time; I don't think he can reverse the ultimate dissolution of the United States into multiple ethno-states.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 20, 2016 9:34 AM  

Darth Dharmakīrti
"What then?" The first rule of holes would seem to apply here. Priorities.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 20, 2016 9:41 AM  

tuberman
"future virtue-signaling by some non-whites will be aimed at how much they love Western Civilization and White Culture."

Exactly. Civic nationalism/ cultural hegemony can paper over a certain amount of vibrant diversity. On the other hand, glorifying as a virtue, what is really a weakness, weakens society more than the the dmographics alone would.

OpenID enriquereal November 20, 2016 9:44 AM  

Changing immigration demographics would certainly help, and may be for now, the most effective way to immediately change the percentage of whites and other races within our nation; however, eventually, we will have to tackle the issue of feminism which prevents white women and white men from having children--let alone lots of children.

The few good women out there cannot possibly make enough babies to keep up with Latinos and blacks, particularly when their own "sisters" are fighting to create more and more layers and obstacles to white men being successful on the workplace/market, with quotas and affirmative action now thoroughly embedded at ALL levels of American society.



Blogger Timmy3 November 20, 2016 9:50 AM  

Oddly, the Federal law gives multi racial Native Americans more rights. Indians can halt an adoption with a fractional drop of Indian blood. This suggests multi racial Americans have nothing to fear. Pure blood racial groups can be segregated with ease. And they are voluntarily.

Blogger Chiva November 20, 2016 9:58 AM  

"California will be the South Africa."

I was going to refute this statement, but after consideration this statement will most likely be true.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 10:04 AM  

"Our plan calls for them to be gone, one way or another."

And attainment of world supremacy within the next five years? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fqjw2J1vI

One rather doubts you have anything that one could call a plan. Intentions and wishes? Sure. Actual plans? Well, how much actual realistic planning is going to be done by overweight adults playing dress up in uniforms and decorations they didn't earn, while addressing each other as "Herr Standartenfuehrer" and "Herr Obergruppenfuehrer"?

Look, you're not getting much, if any, of that. If you got ten percent of what you might want, say, the dismantling of the 1960s civil rights regime, et seq., that would satisfy most whites enough that your support would simply melt away.

Do you people have any understanding of the world as it is? You only exist because of the lunatic left and massive immigration of the inassimilable. Get rid of those and you're on the dung heap of failed philosophies.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 20, 2016 10:08 AM  

Where on earth would I go? I'm English, Gypsy, Native American and black... are we going to slice me up?

Well, chum, how bout under the sea?

The seaweed is always greener
In somebody else's lake
You dream about going up there
But that is a big mistake


Learn to swim.

> Texas will be the Brazil of North America.

Remember the Alamo.

Blogger wreckage November 20, 2016 10:15 AM  

If the current tensions don't get wound back, then things could very well get very ugly.

Personally I think there's time, provided the situation is attacked with urgency, immediately.

My fear is the Left will gin-up enough of a backlash that Trump's efforts will become a by-word for evil and shame, and we'll spend another ten years heading blithely down the road to the blood-soaked horror Vox forsees.

The only hope for *everyone* is for stability to be reasserted. Once that's begun identity can be sorted out in more detail; the point is though, that the sooner the freight-train to hell STOPS, the less urgently identity will matter. The closer we are to the terminus, the fewer options there will be.

Allowing communities to self-segregate lets the situation be defused laterally in space as well as linearly in time, but can the big-government technocrats loosen their control enough for that to happen?

Blogger Nick S November 20, 2016 10:16 AM  

The devil's in the details. Metrics, standards and practices are going to be important if you're ever to get past the nebulous rhetoric phase to something explicably substantive.

Anonymous old man in a villa November 20, 2016 10:17 AM  

"If you don't care about anyone else's interests, there is absolutely no reason for anyone else to take yours into account."

quotes like that are the reason for visiting daily even when you drift off into soccer/NFL/sci-fi/foreign language areas.

That's A-bomb of rhetoric and logic all wrapped up in one easy to remember quote.

Blogger Minecraft Chuck November 20, 2016 10:18 AM  

Multi-tier system.
Citizen. Resident. Resident alien. Visitor. Outlaw.

Residents can't vote or hold office, but count towards the census. Their third generation may apply for citizenship after military service.

Resident aliens can't own real property or businesses, and aren't counted for representation. Their third generation may apply for permament residency. They may be deported for the commission of any crime, included jaywalking.

Outlaws are outside the protections and benefits of the law. They are legally feral vermin. This automatically includes all foreign invaders. The child (under 13) of an Outlaw may be adopted by a citizen, and then becomes a resident alien.

Hey, if we're going to make up rules, then let's make up some rules.

Blogger bkm ( wut is the great flaw in the Alt-R? too many chiefs, insufficient Injuns. good thing Vox Day is the Little Injun That Could pull that fine train. { Vox Gayness intensifies } ) November 20, 2016 10:19 AM  

16. Determinator November 20, 2016 8:58 AM
They're still afforded all or most protections of the Constitution, but not allowed to vote



it may be the racist, sexist, homophobic patrimony of the Founding Fathers, but "voting" was never considered a general right by the Founders.

there is a distinction between "privilege" and "right", which is why the Constitution uses both terms. at the founding, less than 1/4 of free white men had the vote.

and NO ONE thought that this was a constraint of their 'rights'.

this current advocacy of Universal Democracy comes directly from the Communist Manifesto.

and Compulsory Military Service / Draft is often the justification used as the lever to force Universal Suffrage.

which is a complete inversion of the way things should work in the American system:

1 - Suffrage is historically restricted to those who have proven themselves responsible enough to have a patrimony to be concerned about preserving

2 - military service is voluntary, which gives the military age male proletarians ( who would have to staff the armed forces ) a 'veto' over any large scale military adventurism that the voting class decides they want to get into



you introduce the un-Constitutional Draft ( thanks, Abe! ) and then the argument becomes, "Look how unjust it is that these poor kids can be forced to fight and die in a war they hate, but they can't even vote!"


so then, the impetus to extend suffrage to ALL draft eligible men becomes very hard to resist.

and, once all the men have the vote, then the women start screeching about how it's "sexist" that they aren't allowed.

even though WOMEN aren't draft eligible.

Blogger wreckage November 20, 2016 10:22 AM  

"Citizen. Resident. Resident alien. Visitor. Outlaw."

Something like that, the framework is already there, it's just not being applied.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt November 20, 2016 10:23 AM  

Multiculturalism and sexual adventurism have not only spoiled America, they've produced a mania for seeding the same contagion abroad. I don't think "conquering" Muslim countries did nearly as much damage as trying to reconstruct them according to the modern American fad for tribe-mixing and sex-mixing. "For their own good", of course, because "good" is whatever modern fantasists are excited about.

I know that those artificial middle eastern countries were often deliberately constructed to combine different sects, but the reasoning then was the old balance of power stratagem. It was also combined with a strongman at the top to make sure the mortar didn't give way. Now that idea has run its course, with the old tribal loyalties growing too strong. Those patched-together countries probably would have fallen apart eventually anyway, but the US swept in and aggravated things by piously ejecting the strongmen, and then insisting that the crumbling structure of mixed tribes had to stay, because "muh Multiculturalism!". And just to make things more confusing, they shoved Holy Democracy on the shambles, with lots of lectures about women in Cabinet positions and rights for gays. The natives were probably wishing the US would just annex the oil wells and leave the rest of them alone.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2016 10:26 AM  

> I'm English, Gypsy, Native American and black

I call BS. The odds against that particular mix are astronomical. The odds of a particular poster on Gab being so are even worse.

> I'm happy to fight for whites in the race war, but if your "plan" calls for the mass extermination of innocents you are every bit as much my enemy as the others.

You seem to have a slight misunderstanding of the nature of war. Innocents always get killed in wars.

> While Donald Trump buys us some precious time; I don't think he can reverse the ultimate dissolution of the United States into multiple ethno-states.

It's not just ethno-states, though that will be the result. I don't see anything in Trump's plans that will deal with the growing city/rural divide that will eventually break the country apart.

Blogger Ron November 20, 2016 10:27 AM  

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Blogger bkm ( wut is the great flaw in the Alt-R? too many chiefs, insufficient Injuns. good thing Vox Day is the Little Injun That Could pull that fine train. { Vox Gayness intensifies } ) November 20, 2016 10:29 AM  

27. Matthew McDaniel November 20, 2016 9:18 AM
forgive my ignorance, but what are METIs?



http://infogalactic.com/info/M%C3%A9tis_people_%28Canada%29

Anonymous Dave November 20, 2016 10:30 AM  

I'm English, Gypsy, Native American and black...

Mmmm so sorry, it appears you have little to nothing to offer, perhaps you should look into a Native American reservation.

Blogger Trid November 20, 2016 10:35 AM  

Put then all in California, along with the race traitor whites. Give the state independence, and brutally police the border. It's not bad or racist because it's literally what they are asking for

Blogger pyrrhus November 20, 2016 10:36 AM  

"It's not just ethno-states, though that will be the result. I don't see anything in Trump's plans that will deal with the growing city/rural divide that will eventually break the country apart."

Yes. A curious situation has developed with severe droughts on parts of both East and West coasts. In the long run, exactly how are these gigantic cities going to be fed without the heartland?

Blogger John rockwell November 20, 2016 10:39 AM  

While innocents may inevitably die in war its different when they are deliberately targeted.

Avoid if possible. Russia currently in syria provides a role model. While stopping at nothing to win allow for humanitarian corridors and such to save innocent lives. But if impossible then as in grozny. However technology can make the grozny option not as necessary as it used to be.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti November 20, 2016 10:57 AM  

You seem to have a slight misunderstanding of the nature of war. Innocents always get killed in wars.

What John Rockwell says, above. I have family that fought in ethnic unification campaigns of the early 20th century, I'm aware that in wars of existential threat (as opposed to our putzing around with the Ummah) the Geneva Conventions are ideal guidelines not meant to be taken too seriously. But there is a world of difference between accepting the inevitability of collateral damage, and a policy of mass extermination.

I'm sure they do today. I very much doubt they will once the fireworks begin and the inevitable provocations take place.

All the more reason to pray for a relatively peaceful disunion.

Anonymous kfg November 20, 2016 10:57 AM  

This time around I'll look at things from a slightly different perspective.

It is quite natural for a person to look out after his own interests. Take multiracial Vox as the example, he moved to Italy, because he thought that he and the family under his protection would be advantaged by it.

So what is the difference between Vox and the Horror Queen?

Horror Queen thought, "What will happen to me."

Vox thought, "What will I do."

Anonymous Just another commenter November 20, 2016 11:08 AM  

"Magic Dirt" and "Cargo Cult" are two terms that we really need to educated the CTRL-Left on. Much of their world-view rests on those two things. If we can get them to recognize the truth of them in the abstract, then getting them to understand the real-world consequences of them will be much easier. A hard row to hoe, no doubt, but it's been worth it when I've been able to.

Blogger MycroftJones November 20, 2016 11:09 AM  

@45 you didn't make up those rules. You cribbed from the Bible, but added your own wrinkle. There is no use for a "Resident" status in between "Citizen" and "Resident Alien". Making them wait 6 generations for citizenship is wrong; if they last 3 generations (and are from a friendly/compatible genome) that is long enough. If they are from a hostile genome, 10 generations is the cutoff.

Blogger MycroftJones November 20, 2016 11:15 AM  

More on the Metis: Geneticists estimate that 50 percent of today's population in Western Canada have some Aboriginal blood. In 2011, 451,795 people in Canada identified as Métis. They represented 32.3% of the total Aboriginal population and 1.4% of the total Canadian population. Most Métis people today are not the direct result of intermarriage between First Nations and Europeans. The vast majority of those who identify as Métis are the descendants of unions between generations of Métis individuals. Over the past century, countless Métis have assimilated into the general European Canadian populations, making Métis heritage (and thereby aboriginal ancestry) more common than is generally realized.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin November 20, 2016 11:17 AM  

Latin America would be far more livable and appealing without the meddling of globalist progressives and international leftists. As would be black and Hispanic neighborhoods in the U.S. It is the ideology of leftism, put into practice and enforced, largely by white people, that makes segregation intolerable for special snowflakes like me. No need for genocide. Simply eradicate leftism, and then step back. All the various birds will naturally and swiftly find their flocks.

Anonymous Beau November 20, 2016 11:23 AM  

Also, if your first response to the discussion of a macro-societal level issue is "well, what about me?", you are not fit to participate in the discussion.

The goal of the discussion is conversion, not, participation; therefore I disagree. Consider an alternative case beside the preening narcissist, a far more common occurance, the moral infant steeped in his own pablum, now realizing their guiding lodestone was darkness. For this individual, given a logical reason to take the red pill, he or she is ripe to convert. While remaining wary of the poseur, thrusting the person away who would convert if shown how they can fit in to the new thinking is a mistake. The goal is to close the deal.

Blogger Lucas November 20, 2016 11:35 AM  

' It is readily apparent that the immigration cargo cultists who subscribe to Magic Dirt Theory have never once thought through the obvious consequences of their policies."

Maybe they did and what we have now is exacly what they wanted. After all, less Whites = More government.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2016 11:41 AM  

> But there is a world of difference between accepting the inevitability of collateral damage, and a policy of mass extermination.

Tell that to Sherman and Georgia.

> All the more reason to pray for a relatively peaceful disunion.

What do you think we've been doing?

Anonymous Goodnight November 20, 2016 11:43 AM  

Texas will be the Brazil of North America.

We'll see, but Texas isn't necessarily in the rough shape that outsiders believe it is in. A huge portion of the multi-generation Hispanics in Texas are heavily European genetically, and they considered themselves white before they started getting something out of being "Hispanic". I've had two different friends in the past year say something along the lines of "Well I'm actually white just with a Spanish name". I think a lot of the old school Tejanos are going to rediscover themselves as white as things toughen up and the big mestizo communities start heading back south.

Blogger kmbr November 20, 2016 11:47 AM  

**Hey, future virtue-signaling by some non-whites will be aimed at how much they love Western Civilization and White Culture.**

Well, that WAS how it used to be.

I remember reading some time ago, probably during the Bush years, about a study they did of non-white Americans--when asked to check the box regarding race they found that many of them were checking "white". It was especially found in the Indian (subcontinent) demographic. They self identified as white.

I wish I had saved the article.

Blogger digra November 20, 2016 12:02 PM  

"if your first response to the discussion of a macro-societal level issue is "well, what about me?", you are not fit to participate in the discussion. If you don't care about anyone else's interests, there is absolutely no reason for anyone else to take yours into account."

Vox gets to the crux of the matter.

Anyone who cannot see outside of their own heads is not fit for any sort of debate, or discussion.

@ kfg - that's the chasm of difference between Ownership and Victimhood. I couldn't have put it better myself.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 20, 2016 12:06 PM  

To HorrorQueen:

Apply for some BS degree, get minority scholarship gibs, go study in Brazil, and marry a local.

Blogger yoghi.llama November 20, 2016 12:10 PM  

Is there any chance of "harmonious bastards" (as per Robert Harris's Fatherland) of above average IQ being allowed in to a White homeland?

I haven't done 23&Me, but anything up to 5% Khoisan/Indonesian would be no huge surprise.

Nevertheless in appearance, mother tongue and work ethic I'm a WASP omega male.

It's a practical question for the Alt Right to face: how white is white enough?

I have a certain sense of "been there, done that". There was much muttering of an all White homeland in 1990s South Africa. Never happened. Everybody knew it was never going to happen. We Whites were just not going to pay to employ other Whites as farmhands, domestic servants etc.

3 things can unify a nation: common ancestry, common ideology, or a personality cult. They would all have their obvious problems. Common ancestry excludes harmonious bastards. Common ideology has to be aimed at below the average IQ in order to appeal to > 50% of the people.

America has wilfully discarded both common ancestry and common ideology, so what you have just seen is a face-off between 2 personality cults, Hillary vs Donald.

You got real lucky this time, is all I can say.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 20, 2016 12:14 PM  

Tom Kratman
"the dismantling of the 1960s civil rights regime, et seq., that would satisfy most whites enough that your support would simply melt away."

Of course, the only thing that would make said dismantling achievable as a "moderate" solution is... the very existence of the more extreme groups that inspire your rage, and your elaborate not-see fantasies. If you think they're too extreme, don't attack them-- ignore them. See libs and RevCom/ ICL/ antifa/ anarchists/ CPUSA etc.

Why do you think the Left is always ranting about "McCarthyism" (basically any attack on leftist extremists, or any attempt to point out links between mainstream libs and more extreme leftist individuals/ groups)? Meanwhile, they insist that the Right denounce and disavow its own extremists. Perhaps they like having a weapon that they can use, but is forbidden to the other side?

Seriously, your enemies have been winning for the past 50 years (actually more, but that's another story). Perhaps you could learn from their use of weapons and tactics? "Rules for radicals" is a largely a tactical manual, not an ideological screed. If you haven't read it, you might benefit from doing so. Or you could continue attacking your own vanguard, and see how that works out for you...

You seem to be making a category error; misperceiving a tactical issue as an ethical one.

Anonymous Blessed is the mind too small for doubt November 20, 2016 12:14 PM  

Getting to read a REM space marine with small, girlish hands like Kratman posture like he has any clue what the bleeding edge of the spear is like will never get old.

Why don't you go back to writing Mary Sue novels about how you won 9/11 single-handedly with those tiny paws, eh Tom? Or better yet, keep telling tales about how you would lead the crucifixion brigade and win the war by yourself from the desk you jockeyed so successfully in your storied military career.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis November 20, 2016 12:15 PM  

I like the Starship Troopers model - if you served in the military, you get to vote. If you didn't, you don't. Only military veterans are Citizens.

Blogger kmbr November 20, 2016 12:19 PM  

**It's a practical question for the Alt Right to face: how white is white enough?**

I have asked this question before too.

I am still trying to understand how Tila Tequila is at NPI this weekend and consistently speaks for the alt-right. Does she get in because she shows a lot of cleavage?

Blogger kmbr November 20, 2016 12:21 PM  

**Everybody knew it was never going to happen. We Whites were just not going to pay to employ other Whites as farmhands, domestic servants etc.**

I think that was exactly what brought South Africa down. If they never let them in to work--things might have been very different.

Blogger GK Chesterton November 20, 2016 12:36 PM  

Gab get hacked? It appears to be down.

Anonymous kfg November 20, 2016 12:38 PM  

"Does she get in because she shows a lot of cleavage?"

Why do you think it exists?

Anonymous Francois November 20, 2016 12:44 PM  

"Even we American Indians have our sovereign reservations. Why shouldn't white Americans have their own sovereign country?"

Well, according to you, whites did have their own nation in 1791. However, they couldn't build it themselves and needed to import help. But then, they couldn't keep it for themselves anyway.

So, you could have your own nation for whites, but you'll have to take it. And since you couldn't keep the the one you had, there is little likelihood you'll be able to take and keep another.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 20, 2016 12:48 PM  

@73 Because your conflagrating the alt-white for the alt-right. They aren't the same thing and they don't have the same ultimate goals, it just so happens that there are currently over lapping short term objectives. Once those objectives are met the alt-right and alt-white will become adversaries.

Anonymous kfg November 20, 2016 12:55 PM  

@77:

Things we have now that we didn't have then:

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Anonymous BGKB November 20, 2016 1:03 PM  

I understand that for the alt-Nazis gas chambers are an acceptable solution, but I reject this on religious grounds.

Every time I hear that the death penalty can't be carried out because they can't get the drugs, I wonder why they just don't give them a black doctor and removed the warnings/blocking from computerized pharmacies.

"mass extermination of innocents"

That would happen simply from the food stamp system going down. Latrina cant feed 21 crack babies with low hanging fruit like she could in Africa before whitey sent meds there.

"California will be the South Africa." I was going to refute this statement

Its not like CA is having rolling electrical brownouts in the current year, oh wait.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-aliso-canyon-blackouts-20160405-story.html

Blogger Jim Carroll November 20, 2016 1:04 PM  

Unless something else is going on, it appears Gab is under a DOS attack.

Blogger Shimshon November 20, 2016 1:06 PM  

California gets roughly one third of its state budget (and who knows how much of county/local) from the feds. Trump has so much leverage over them it's yuge.

Blogger bkm ( wut is the great flaw in the Alt-R? too many chiefs, insufficient Injuns. good thing Vox Day is the Little Injun That Could pull that fine train. { Vox Gayness intensifies } ) November 20, 2016 1:08 PM  

71. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt November 20, 2016 12:14 PM
win the war by yourself from the desk you jockeyed so successfully in your storied military career.




fair enough.

post YOUR service record.

then, compare and contrast it with Tom's.

( this oughta be fun )

Blogger rumpole5 November 20, 2016 1:11 PM  

The base reference culture here is an antiquated version of white European, but we are not genetically Western European by a long shot, that ship sailed long ago because greedy fools wanted cheap labor for their fields, mines, and factories (and dishonest polititions wanted votes - See Tammany Hall/NYC, and the "Curley effect"/Boston.)
The best we can do now is turn off the flow into the USAb repatriate as many new arrivals as possible, and attempt to acculturate the non western western elements remaining. In 300 years we have digested a good portion of the Africans we imported, so there is a prospect that we can continue the process with other non western "Americans":

http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2014/03/how_many_white_people_have_hidden_black_ancestry/2/

How many ostensibly “white” Americans walking around today would be classified as “black” under the one-drop rule? Judging by the last U.S. Census (pdf), 7,872,702. To put that in context, that number is equal to roughly 20 percent, or a fifth, of the total number of people identified as African American (pdf) in the same census count!

Blogger kmbr November 20, 2016 1:11 PM  

@78

It would seem anti-degeneracy would be would of those overlapping areas. Just sayin'.

I get it. I give Milo many passes because he is pleasing to my eyes.

Then let's not pretend we are purists.

Blogger Ceerilan November 20, 2016 1:15 PM  

This is a case of what's best for the whole isn't necessarily what's best for the individuals of that whole. Many people want to be that lucky few, and will swear up and down that they're worthy. That's just human nature.

Blogger Roger Hill November 20, 2016 1:31 PM  

"It is readily apparent that the immigration cargo cultists who subscribe to Magic Dirt Theory have never once thought through the obvious consequences of their policies."

Its amusing so many Western European countries justified absorbing Muslim immigrants via multiculturalism and inclusion. Fortunately, voices are being raised in opposition now.

Did the European (or American for that matter) progressives ever consider how multiculturalism itself would survive after a giant influx of people whose culture and homelands reject the very idea that cultures are equal and can peacefully coexist? Of course what these dolts mean by multiculturalism is multiple cultures side by side, with only western style progressives in charge, and all other cultures being little more than imaginary, being cooked up in their own wet dreams.

Blogger Harold November 20, 2016 1:35 PM  

The obvious answer is that folks who are white enough to "pass" will merge into white society. I once read that each year thousands of Americans who here-to-fore marked "black" on the forms just start marking "white" instead.

Yup, exactly. Doing family tree research discovered a black branch of the family due to one of my slave owning ancestral relatives (not direct line of ancestry) diddling around. Looking at post 1865 census forms, apparently his mother determined that anyone of her blood was of HER BLOOD. Black, white, mulatto were all under one roof, with her the head of the family. But to go further, I noticed in my research that one of his descendants was black on the 1930 census form, and white on his WWII draft card. Found some pictures on line of his descendants, and they all look perfectly white to me. I wonder if they even know...

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 20, 2016 1:38 PM  

Brazil seems like a nice country for mixed race people as its socially acceptable there and racial identity is pretty fluid in some ways. They could go there . Heck they even have a space program and considerable industry. Its second tier yeah, but its manageable and best of all its total fertility rate is Western (1.8) which suggest a high level of social development as well.

As far as race wars, they are going to happen whether anyone wants them or not. There is already one in California with the Hispanics basically cleansing Blacks .The violence is sort of contained for now

There is no way its going to be stopped if it loses containment. Its going to get bigger and worse and dirty than any we've seen before and all the Horsemen will ride. And while granted no one wants the RAHOWA crowd to run anything, its probably going to look like they are anyway in many areas. All the Patriots in America have little chance of restoring the founders Republic outside of a few areas

That's assuming of course the Chinese or the Globalists don't take advantage of the chaos and use plague weapons to kill everyone in North America of course

Blogger tuberman November 20, 2016 1:41 PM  

Everything depends on how genocidal and purely nasty the Muslims/Blacks/LaRaza/Leftists/Globalists get to Whites, and I figure to maintain their current "privileges," they will decide to go very far, even over a cliff. The blow-back will be horrendous and more than deserved.

Blogger Harold November 20, 2016 1:43 PM  

Bellator Mortalis
I like the Starship Troopers model - if you served in the military, you get to vote. If you didn't, you don't. Only military veterans are Citizens.


You need to re-read Starship Troopers. You had to volunteer to serve the government, not the military. Military was one of the options. Anyone, regardless of race, age, or disability could volunteer, and a use would be found for them. Might be as a medical test subject, might be snowfall measurer in Antarctica, but a use would be found. While serving, couldn't vote or serve in political office. An honorable term of service was required, at the end of which citizenship was awarded. Military was all volunteer, and a choice for those good enough for it. Kind of left undefined in the book, but it seems everything else was assigned AFTER you volunteered.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 20, 2016 1:46 PM  

Anyone who cannot see outside of their own heads is not fit for any sort of debate, or discussion.

So, no women allowed?

Anonymous kfg November 20, 2016 1:49 PM  

"So, no women allowed?"

Someone has to handle reloading.

Blogger Colton Hatch November 20, 2016 1:53 PM  

They are the product of the French breeding with the local natives.

Anonymous BGKB November 20, 2016 1:53 PM  

The lamentations of women:

host would like you to know that it was doubly awful being in front of the camera. “That was the hardest thing I’ve ever done,” Colbert confessed ... “The audience was sobbing openly.”....In the end, Colbert wound up having to put on a show that nobody had prepared for: Donald Trump winning the election in real time. “We have two-and-a-half shows worth of material that you’ll probably never see,”

I've spoken to enough young Europeans to know they're not LARPing

May I present Génération Identitaire? https://www.generation-identitaire.com/

Good video on the first page. They are the golden dawn of France. Remember the “the left hook of god”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=manhddhrJcE
https://www.youtube.com/user/GenerationID/videos

Blogger John Williams November 20, 2016 1:56 PM  

You seem to be making a category error; misperceiving a tactical issue as an ethical one.
Tactics are the methods those holding the values will will achieve superiority. Kratman understands the tactics likely to be implemented. There are circles, they overlap, some see forests, you see a tree.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 20, 2016 2:09 PM  

OT
Either a bunch of immivaders get drunk, loot shops and burn down their own refugee camp, or Golden Dawn, striding like Collossi and flinging boulders like Herakles attack a refugee camp, causing police to raid and women to abort, which is horrible, unless the woman wanted to abort, then its fine and a human right you have to pay for.
Details, such as they are, here.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 20, 2016 2:13 PM  

The link isn't working in my browser, so go here for details
https://www.rt.com/news/367543-greece-refugee-camp-chios-attacked/

Anonymous kfg November 20, 2016 2:27 PM  

@97: " . . . some of the rocks were the “size of a shoebox, weighing approximately 15 kilograms.” "

It appears there is some strength left in the hoplite arm.

Blogger Wishing Star November 20, 2016 2:39 PM  

bkm ( wut is the great flaw in the Alt-R? too many chiefs, insufficient Injuns. good thing Vox Day is the Little Injun That Could pull that fine train. { Vox Gayness intensifies } ) wrote:16. Determinator November 20, 2016 8:58 AM

They're still afforded all or most protections of the Constitution, but not allowed to vote


it may be the racist, sexist, homophobic patrimony of the Founding Fathers, but "voting" was never considered a general right by the Founders.

there is a distinction between "privilege" and "right", which is why the Constitution uses both terms. at the founding, less than 1/4 of free white men had the vote.

and NO ONE thought that this was a constraint of their 'rights'.

this current advocacy of Universal Democracy comes directly from the Communist Manifesto.

and Compulsory Military Service / Draft is often the justification used as the lever to force Universal Suffrage.

which is a complete inversion of the way things should work in the American system:

1 - Suffrage is historically restricted to those who have proven themselves responsible enough to have a patrimony to be concerned about preserving

2 - military service is voluntary, which gives the military age male proletarians ( who would have to staff the armed forces ) a 'veto' over any large scale military adventurism that the voting class decides they want to get into

you introduce the un-Constitutional Draft ( thanks, Abe! ) and then the argument becomes, "Look how unjust it is that these poor kids can be forced to fight and die in a war they hate, but they can't even vote!"

so then, the impetus to extend suffrage to ALL draft eligible men becomes very hard to resist.

and, once all the men have the vote, then the women start screeching about how it's "sexist" that they aren't allowed.

even though WOMEN aren't draft eligible.


We are very far from this idea. I actually find that arrangement better than what we have now. A monarchy would be ideal.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 20, 2016 3:03 PM  

It's a practical question for the Alt Right to face: how white is white enough?

Act white and vote white (meaning, don't vote to take stuff - including land - from white people and give it to other people) and it'll probably* be good enough. Nobody in power is going to be using 23andMe (MEEEEEEE!!!!) to make decisions.

* the sooner we turn off the spigot and disconnect the teat, the higher the probability.

As far as how ugly it could get, I suggest reading Fry the Brain by John West, specifically the chapters on Bosnia and Chechnya. That's the kind of stuff that can happen when an empire that has fostered diversity + proximity breaks apart. Kicking the can down the road won't make it not happen, it'll only make it worse when it does.

Blogger tz November 20, 2016 3:15 PM  

The only retreat and defense will be to pick your poison and over-assimilate but not too much, so you are thought of as white (or whatever) but with a skin condition.

(Or we need to find what Michael Jackson did).

Here, I'm a bit surprised that merely having an F250 pickup means "I'm in", measurably different from my Subaru.

There is little diversity or vibrancy, and what's there is from the College, but the visimins (visible minorities) are often assimilated, and the white liberals aren't.

Blogger tz November 20, 2016 3:21 PM  

One more detail, if you ARE a visimin, you need to tack to the right. Talking about ideology, all God's children (churches are the most racially polarized places), etc. is going to get you in trouble. "Washes Whiter Than..." (an old Petra album) should be the idea. I don't think Diamond and Silk will have any problem, but if you aren't known to be an uncle Thomas Aquinas, or an Oreo with double stuff, it could get dicey.

Blogger tz November 20, 2016 3:22 PM  

Consider Milo and how the Alt-Right treats him v.s. the LGBTQ SJWs.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 20, 2016 4:03 PM  

John Williams
"Tactics are the methods those holding the values will will achieve superiority."

Your meaning is obscure by either grammatical limitations or missing words here. I'll assume that what you mean is: "Just because we've been losing the war for 50+ years doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the way we're fighting it. They may have artillery and air support, but we're confident that our small arms are 'morally superior' and will thus prevail."

Is that about the size of it?

"Kratman understands the tactics likely to be implemented."

Because the Left hasn't utilized their own extremists for decades to push the Overton Window leftward. lolwut?

Anonymous Bo Sears November 20, 2016 4:06 PM  

There are so many historical examples to choose from, not to mention the very successful other tribe-like demographics.

Examples like pre-Napoleonic Venice in which voters & officials have families recorded in a book of families. Examples like Switzerland with different cantons with quasi-governmental status but which specialize in German speakers or French speakers or Italian speakers. Examples like India with castes.

A model could be a central caste made up of persons with at least two ancestors who signed onto the major documents, e.g., Mayflower Compact, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation & Perpetual Union, Second USA Constitution, and others. Then that group could admit to membership of persons who fit a certain criteria.

If the criteria becomes one of race, alliances of others could be assisted to form who might not be able to vote.

And another model could be to provide a level of merger for people doing activism in their local communities as a starting point. I like the idea of a national or regional or continental or global entity to be based on persons who do actual work in their home communities with libraries, family formation, education, etc.

There is nothing remarkable about several over-lapping parameters.

There is nothing wrong with horizontal-nation spanning the globe without a territory, and there is nothing wrong with vertical-nationalism based on one piece of interconnected (or not) territory.

OpenID frankluke November 20, 2016 4:11 PM  

There's a similar argument that can be made. Just because something benefits a single person does not mean it is a good thing overall.

For example, just after Obamacare was passed, a friend contacted me about how great it would be. I argued several issues related to how it would impact the market and be a negative. He said, "But Frank, remember how much you guys have struggled to get private insurance when your work didn't provide it and you couldn't because of your wife's pre-existing conditions? This law would have helped you."

"Beneficial to me is not the same thing as good law."

[Not to mention the astronomical rates that would have to be charged to cover those who couldn't be insured before but now have to be.]

Blogger M Cephas November 20, 2016 4:38 PM  

I say that since Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire, are primarily white anyway, at least 93% white with Vermont at least 96%, they should be be offered up as official white reservations, and everyone else told to move out. It would be even better if they are considered their own countries, and no longer American.

Though I do think the comparison to American Indian reservations doesn't really follow. American Indians don't have two continents, and are very low in numbers.

Blogger Harold November 20, 2016 4:40 PM  

Act white and vote white (meaning, don't vote to take stuff - including land - from white people and give it to other people) and it'll probably* be good enough. Nobody in power is going to be using 23andMe (MEEEEEEE!!!!) to make decisions

When I lived in a new sub-division in CA my across the street neighbors were middle class blacks. With 2 well behaved kids. Only black family on the racially diverse street. Koreans, other Asians, whites, Mexicans. One summer he had a nephew from Los Angeles stay for a few weeks. Not middle class. Decided when the adults were away it would be a good idea to blast what he thought was music loud enough for all the neighbors to hear. First day, when the neighbor got home, he fielded a bunch of calls and visits from neighbors, and he said he would have a talk with the lad. Talk didn't work. New construction in CA requires electrical boxes and utility shutoffs be installed on the OUTSIDE of homes. So in case of earthquake, wildfire, or other sudden emergency, everything in the house could be made safe for emergency personnel. Kid was a slow learner. It wasn't until all the breakers were tripped for the 5th time that he learned the neighbors didn't like his music. kid didn't notice there was no hot water. Neighbor did and had to turn his gas back on. I would have tripped them one of those times but as I was walking out my door another neighbor was already in their walkway.

For most middle class people, middle class behavior is sufficient for living peacefully in their middle class communities. Keep your music to where the neighbors can't hear it. Mow the lawn. Wave and say hello, even if you don't really know them. Don't let the dogs run loose, and keep the cats indoors. No barnyard animals for pets. Keep the house up. No peeling rubber for fun and games. And a few other unwritten rules that everyone obeys because it simply makes for a nicer neighborhood.

I guess you could say that was acting white. Acting white and acting middle class are much the same thing.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 20, 2016 4:48 PM  

@101, exactly. Trying to decide now on what percentage of whiteness will be required in some future enclave sounds about as "practical" as deciding what color you're going to paint your moon buggy.

The practical matters in front of us are getting control of the border, stopping the colonization, and deporting tens of millions of illegals. That will free up a lot of elbow room and jobs, and reduce crime, ethnic strife, and load on our infrastructure and state services. White people may start having babies again (see Steve Sailer's work on affordable family formation). At that point, we may look around and decide things are pretty good. After all, things were pretty good in 1965, right?

I'm in favor of partition/secession myself, but first things first. We won't know where we stand on those things until we see how much Trump is able to right the ship on immigration first.

Blogger MycroftJones November 20, 2016 4:56 PM  

Mow the lawn.
Don't let the dogs run loose.
Keep the cats indoors.
No barnyard animals for pets.

Huh. So those are middle class rules. Jerks. Probably the same people that decided not to plant fruit trees in new property developments for the past 30 years. Because heaven forbid, children would enjoy it. And it might attract wildlife.

Blogger Wishing Star November 20, 2016 5:00 PM  

There are many layers of protection for non-voters among a righteous people. Just as there are for visitors in the home of a righteous man.

A real problem with immigration, is not enough believe in self sacrifice. If I'm in need & a stranger declines to fulfill my need, I need to accept this. Place the rest in God's hands. Having this spirit is the difference between life & death.

OpenID enriquereal November 20, 2016 5:06 PM  

To me, if someone is so white as to be debatable and/or passable, then it really doesn't matter if they have some other genetic background--especially if they are trying to BE white, mix with whites and/or join the white culture, nation, etc.

There are plenty of us within the Hispanic community who are "white" (I actually am Spanish), but I mean, even Latinos who are 3/4 European, and 1/4 Indigenous, or 7/8s European, etc...that it is dumb to classify them as anything other than "Ethnic Whites" similar to lower Italians or "ethnic Greeks" or various Eastern Europeans.

Everyone, in their heart of hearts, knows what a white person is, even if Hispanic or Arab: Andy Garcia, Gloria Estefan, Shakira (yes, her too), Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek, "EL CANELO", Bashar Assad (he looks like a NASCAR fan from Kentucky), etc etc.

People can pretend to be "the other", but the fact is no matter how "ethnic" you are, where your ancestors are from, or whatever, you know, and everyone ELSE knows, if you are white (or black for that matter). Ask any black Puerto Rican...they know who they are, even if they call themselves Latino.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 5:10 PM  

No rage, Francis, contempt. Perhaps you're projecting.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 5:11 PM  

Blessed are those too cowardly to let people know who they are, for they shall be alive (slaves, but alive) when better men have fallen.

Pussy.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 5:14 PM  

"Because the Left hasn't utilized their own extremists for decades to push the Overton Window leftward."

Clearly they have, Francis. It does not necessarily follow that the alt-Nazis will be able to do as well, at least by any of the direct and linear means (war is non-linear, you know, or, rather, uses and is best understood with non-linear logic) their rather tiny minds (the tiny minds they share with the extreme left) can grasp.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 20, 2016 5:46 PM  

Tom Kratman
"Clearly they have, Francis."

Well, at least you recognize that much. There's hope for you yet.

Perhaps a different approach would help you more. A mental exercise: replace "muh ebil not-sees" of your fantasy in your original ragepoast with "das rayciss." Do you see it now? Not-see, in current parlance, means, approximately, "Anyone to my Right politically."

While you're engaged in your virtue-signaling attack on dem not-sees, the Left is sitting back, smiling, waiting for you to finish, so they can say "Nice job, Tom. Looks like you're the Hitler now. Prove that you're not." While it may give you good feelz to prove that you're a good goy in that manner, it is exactly the same approach that has failed for decades. You cannot prove to the Left that you are not rayciss/ "xenophobic"/ "fascist"/ whatever is the meaningless leftist pejorative of the moment. Punching right using leftist rhetoric only serves the enemy.

Let me guess-- you don't understand the point of mocking Holocaustianity, do you?

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 6:16 PM  

Sorry, Francis, but as long as you're going to misspell and try to project your own rage onto me there seems little point to discussion. It's a waste of my time, you see, to talk to subhumans. Still, hope springs eternal so I will make this minor effort to educate you. Yes, it's a forlorn hope but, what the fuck, I have a few minutes to spare.

By the way, I get accused of being a fascist, a Nazi, and a racist all the time. Used to bother me, then I realized how much I bothered the left and began to enjoy it. (See, forex, the refugee from spacebabies, above, who's too much of a pussy to use his own name.)

I, however, am not a leftist. More on the cusp of the middle third and the right third. "Here I stand; I can do no other." In other words I can see fairly clearly to the far right and to the cusp of left edge of middle third and the far left. Beyond that, way into lefty lala land, they all jumble together. In any case, if I call someone a "nazi," it's because they appear to be, in fact, a Nazi, not because they are to the right of me. I would never call you a fascist, for example, because fascism has no necessary component of racism and also because modern fascists don't seem to dress up in uniforms and wear decorations they didn't earn while, as mentioned above, posturing and addressing each other as "Herr Standartenfuehrer" or "Herr Obergruppenfuehrer."

I do not virtue signal. I spew contempt at the contemptible, but I really don't care who finds this virtuous and who does not. As long as I'm having a good time, I'm happy. I do not engage in holocaustianity, whatever that may be, but really don't much care what it is. Did it happen. Yes, I am quite sure it did and the people responsible, the Germans, were comprehensively ruined for it. Beyond that, "mox nix to me, muthafucka."

By the way, if you would find hope in me that would be cause for despair. Please relook it until you are convinced enough that I despise you; despise your cohorts; despise your gene pool; despise your just barely capable of talking points excuse for a brain; and despise pretty much everything you believe in. Can we then agree that, from your point of view, no, there's no hope for me?

Anonymous Jack Amok November 20, 2016 6:17 PM  

The practical matters in front of us are getting control of the border, stopping the colonization, and deporting tens of millions of illegals. That will free up a lot of elbow room...

Yep

1) deny jihadis a civilian population to hide in and recruit from
2) depot 11+ million illegals
3) halt legal immigration from incompatible countries.
4) Eliminate H1Bs
5) Stop sending jobs overseas
6) End Section 8 and EEOC forced integration
7) end banksterism

That right there could do it. Maybe not, maybe more is needed, but that's the minimum. Do 1-7 above ASAP and then let's see where we are. If the idiot Globos and their howling mobs don't blow it, things could simmer down.

Worth a shot, I think.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 6:40 PM  

So do I, Jack, so do I.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 20, 2016 6:48 PM  

enriquereal wrote:"Ethnic Whites" similar to lower Italians or "ethnic Greeks" or various Eastern Europeans.

I don't much care for Churchill, but I have to agree with him that: "wogs begin at Calais."

Franklin was right to denounce the "Swarthy Germans".

Blogger MycroftJones November 20, 2016 6:50 PM  

The swarthy Germans are the Sorbs, that Slavic tribe that has lived among the Teutons for more than 1000 years.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2016 7:09 PM  

> That right there could do it. Maybe not, maybe more is needed, but that's the minimum.

That's the right things to start with, yes. But eventually we have to come to terms with our spending and debt. I have no idea how Trump plans to deal with that.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 20, 2016 7:16 PM  

For all non-dialectics, it will always be about you. There will always either be tribal solipsism or individual solipsism.

I argue that multi-ethnic Americans such as myself should be the strongest proponents of immigration restriction. I belong to three different major groups -- Indo-European, Finno-Urgic and Native American -- and I fit in here just fine a couple decades ago, but now I'm being turned into a stranger in my own country.

That is wrong. I have nowhere else that I belong and they do, so they must leave.

Anonymous My heart lies with the Space Marines November 20, 2016 7:16 PM  

You're so predictable Thomas. The only thing missing was some sort of accusation that I am MOslem pedophile engaging in taqqiya against such a stalwart defender of all that is right and good as yourself.

I like how you have this denial about your internet fame as a narcissistic imbecile who was on the receiving end of one of the worst demolishings ever given on an inconsequential net forum. Obviously, it doesn't bother you at all, which is why you still respond to google bombings and felt the need to write a stand-in for the OP of that thread into one of your fanfic novels.

Truly sir, you have shamed me, and I repent my failure to live up to your standard of true excellence, truly. I bow before you, mighty Space Marine Kratman,

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 7:28 PM  

Why it's T. Hana Tospuss y Cabeza de Tarra Farsante, isn't it?

Blogger Cerdic Ricing November 20, 2016 7:29 PM  

@123
I'm pretty sure the debt is done and screwed up. I figure Trump is going to ignore it and use whatever fake money is left to get some useful stuff done before the dollar dies, such as building the wall and buying some new, useful military equipment.

I don't there's much saving the debt, we might as well just get something useful before it all folds.

Blogger rumpole5 November 20, 2016 7:29 PM  

Our cultural decline is more than a white versus non-white problem. The only portion of humanity fit for Western civilization are those European peoples originating from west of the Hajnal line (and excluding Ireland southern Italy, and south west Spain). The whites outside of that area are problematic and unsuited for responsible citizenship. That is why there was such an increase in crime and corruption when the Irish, southern Italians, and eastern Europeans arrived in the USA. Look at how the reasoning on the SCOTUS has declined with the decline in the number of white protestants on the court.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 7:37 PM  

Hey, Tospuss, have you figured out how to walk in high heels yet?

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 8:12 PM  

We have enough precious metal in reserve, Cedric, to partially reharden our currency (I speak, basically, of M0, about 3.5 trillion)if not as much as its been (previously about 1/4 backed), or to contract the money supply and harden it more fully. Call it roughly 300 billion worth of AU, to back 3.6 trllion in cash and coin. It isn't sufficient to back the largely notional derivatives, which dwarf the global economy, are mostly notional and meaningless, and are largely a way for the hyper rich to compete and keep track, having little effect on us. We may want to back more than just M0, of course, but we could go quite high at .25 backing. We could, as we once did, set the price of gold, only very high, to back our currency more fully. Yes, we have the largest reserves so can probably set what we like.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 8:36 PM  

By the way, if Blessed pussy is who I think it is, a crossdresser pining for gender reassignment surgery who lies about having been a Marine DAT, he followed me here. Well, ya know, sometimes cats and pussies really do follow you to the front door. A pshrink friend of mine is quite convinced that his real problem with me is that s/h/it has a terrible case of unrequited love.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 20, 2016 9:06 PM  

Tom Kratman

Well, that's at least a little bit calmer and more rational response. We seem to be talking at cross purposes here. I'm talking about tactics, and how trolling/ culture jamming works; you seem to have a little bit of a bee in your bonnet about how dem ebil not-sees under muh bed are a bigger enemy than the progressive establishment. You referred to your hatred for the German people in a post a few days ago; perhaps there's something personal involved?

Holocaustianity, of course, is one of the quasi-religious pillars of the progressive establishment, along with the Blank Slate, the Magic Dirt, and and radical egalitarianism. It's the belief that, because 6 billion of the Chosen People were the innocent victims of the worstest evil ever, they must therefore be given special status at the top of the Left's victim hierarchy, and their wishes always deferred to. It is holy to them, so it must be mocked. Whether the officially-endorsed progressive establishment narrative of Jewish casualties in WW2 is true, close to the truth, or a complete fabrication, is irrelevant. Arguing the specifics of it usually comes across as borderline autistic, and is less effective than mockery.

Analogy: take a look at what's out there for Christmas movies. I can guarantee you'll find something mocking Christmas/ Santa Claus. Or do a search on vdare for "War on Christmas." You think they do that because it doesn't work? Of course, more subtle anti-Christian, anti-White, pro-perversion, etc. messages are embedded in most of the products of Hollywood and the legacy media.

You can't bring down a deeply-embedded, emotionally-based belief system that is enforced by constant propaganda, by engaging it at the rational level. Ridiculing the Left's beliefs is just as effective as them mocking/ undermining ours. Usually a mix of mainstream conservative/ WN/ a little bit of DR3 is best for mainstream outlets like Twitter (Ricky Vaughn, for example). Sometimes LARPing as "Nazis" is better for trolling more hardcore leftists, as long as it's lighthearted/ not overly serious. Are some of these guys real "Nazis?" I don't care, and neither should you.

You don't think people actually believe that Trump is the "God Emperor," do you?

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 9:32 PM  

I've been calm all along, Francis, calm and grinning. Until you stop projecting, there's nothing further to say.

Blogger bkm ( wut is the great flaw in the Alt-R? too many chiefs, insufficient Injuns. good thing Vox Day is the Little Injun That Could pull that fine train. { Vox Gayness intensifies } ) November 20, 2016 9:35 PM  

100. Wishing Star November 20, 2016 2:39 PM
We are very far from this idea.



yes, i know. that's rather my point.

we are FAR astray from what the Founders intended. and almost every one of these deviances is flagrantly unConstitutional.

as to the question of the Draft specifically, there is NO authority within the Constitution for any such Federal action.

therefore, it is one of the un-enumerated Constitutional Rights held to the individual citizens of the nation by the 9th Amendment.

and every judge and Justice who ruled otherwise is unfit to sit on any bench within these United States.



102. tz November 20, 2016 3:15 PM
Here, I'm a bit surprised that merely having an F250 pickup means "I'm in"



nothing lesser than a 1 ton qualifies for suffrage.



113. enriquereal November 20, 2016 5:06 PM
Shakira (yes, her too),



we will make exceptions for exceptionally fine asses.



125. My heart lies with the Space Marines November 20, 2016 7:16 PM
You're so predictable Thomas. The only thing missing was some sort of accusation that I am MOslem pedophile engaging in taqqiya against such a stalwart defender of all that is right and good as yourself.



you're so predictable.

you have asserted that Kratman is unfit to opine on these matters due to being a REMF.

if that's your metric, fine, then we will apply it. to you.

prove that YOU are not a REMF, oh anonymous poster. post your service record.

because, if you don't, we're just going to have to assume that you are the REMFiest REMF to ever F his M via E in the R.

this is a direct question, and by the rules of the blog you are required to answer.

Blogger Harold November 20, 2016 9:44 PM  

Mow the lawn.
Don't let the dogs run loose.
Keep the cats indoors.
No barnyard animals for pets.

Huh. So those are middle class rules. Jerks. Probably the same people that decided not to plant fruit trees in new property developments for the past 30 years. Because heaven forbid, children would enjoy it. And it might attract wildlife.


Should have specified middle class suburban rules for living. Rural rules, the only one you listed that applies is mow your lawn. The farmers around here do appreciate non-farmers keeping their lawns and lots mowed down. Keeps the weed seeds from blowing on to their fields. We're the only people on our street to keep our dogs fenced in. We're also the only people on our street who haven't had a dog run over in the last 15 years we've lived here. I think there could be a relationship between the two. Town does have a leash law. It's not enforced.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 20, 2016 9:48 PM  

Tom Kratman

That's cool. Forgot to say: The Devil of Holocaustianity, of course, is Hitler, and the not-sees are his demons.

Cultural Marxism in reverse. Instead of mocking and degrading Christianity/ natural law/ family/ patriarchy/ etc., you mock and degrade radical egalitarianism/ sexual perversion/ feminism/ Holocaustianity/ etc.

Part of that, of course, is not taking the Left's demons seriously. To do that is to support their belief system.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 9:52 PM  

bkm:

Just FYI, infantry enlisted man, 2/502 and 4/10 infantry, 1974-1978. Infantry officer, 1980-1992, regular, 1992-1994 NG (While in law school), 1997-2001, while serving as an IG, which is one of those things - like the three Rs, yes, I also did a couple of years in Recruiting Command - everyone has to do some of in a career to keep the system working. CIB. Ranger Tab. The problem with s/h/it is that s/h/it doesn't really understand anything about the system or how it works or what the various things actually mean, and is dependent on the unqualified opinions of others and is too stupid and ignorant, both, to understand that those opinions _are_ unqualified.

In any case, while there are people who are _less_ remfish than I am, there are not that many of them.

Anonymous Avalanche November 20, 2016 10:07 PM  

@20 " A lot of us younger, more zealous people will have very little patience for those who stand in the way and pretend they're on our side."
There's a lot of Gen-Xers who think the same way."

And a not underwhelming number of 60-yr-olds.

Blogger tz November 20, 2016 10:08 PM  

@21 if your "plan" calls for the mass extermination of innocents you are every bit as much my enemy as the others.

You are saying that standing on a pile of 60 million dismembered babies.

If it takes exterminating the exterminators to stop the extermination so be it.

But they aren't innocent - taxation is theft, and they are often attempting cultural genocide of whites and Christians (cater gay weddings, don't say Merry Christmas, etc.).

Blogger Tom Kratman November 20, 2016 10:51 PM  

"But they aren't innocent - taxation is theft, and they are often attempting cultural genocide of whites and Christians.."

Oddly enough, this lies at the feet mostly of white liberals, those very WASP untermenschen who've wrecked the country, not blacks or hispanics, wogs or moslems.

Blogger Akulkis November 20, 2016 11:15 PM  

@21

I'm a 51-year old bleeding-edge GenX-er, and I feel the same way. Lead, follow, or get shot where you stand.

Blogger Akulkis November 20, 2016 11:25 PM  

@40

"One rather doubts you have anything that one could call a plan. Intentions and wishes? Sure. Actual plans? Well, how much actual realistic planning is going to be done by overweight adults playing dress up in uniforms and decorations they didn't earn, while addressing each other as "Herr Standartenfuehrer" and "Herr Obergruppenfuehrer"?
"

This reminds me of a time during WW2, when, at some embassy or another, the Swiss ambassador had learned that the German Army was starting to gather near the Swiss border, and so he conveniently bumped into the German ambassador, with a message that such an invasion would not be a good idea.

The German ambassador said, "We have a 1-million man force on your border, you only have a 1/2-million man army? What are you going to do?"

The Swiss ambassador replied: "Each man shoots two and goes home."

Blogger Akulkis November 20, 2016 11:28 PM  

Historical note -- the Swiss army DID mobilize to the German border, fully, in less than 36 hours. Once Lufwaffe recon planes brought back photographs showing that every road into Switzerland would be a death trap for invading troops, the massed German troops were quickly dispersed.

Blogger wreckage November 21, 2016 12:10 AM  

@140 to the extent that immigration is being used as a tool of genocide, it is not being wielded by immigrants. It's being wielded by respectable white gentlemen of means.

They look forward to a caste system with them at the top and diversity - unable to unite, hence unable to rebel - on the bottom. All of the desecration and erosion is aimed at producing an underclass incapable of anything but submission, and them, at the top, as Middle-East strongmen, who can't be displaced because the whole thing would turn into a bloodbath.

It might be unconscious, I think they subvert their own motives for the sake of conscience, but it explains and predicts their actions perfectly.

Diversity + proximity = war, is a description of the intent.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 21, 2016 12:33 AM  

tz wrote:You are saying that standing on a pile of 60 million dismembered babies.

If it takes exterminating the exterminators to stop the extermination so be it.

Around half of those 60 million would have become the very enemies you have declared must be removed from the USA.  Well, they're pre-removed, and at their wouldn't-be mothers' own volition.  If you survive the War of Whitening, thank an abortionist.

In Mississippi of late, Black women obtain 72% of all abortions in the state.

If we were collectively sane, we'd pay the hood rats and barrio denizens to be sterilized.  Felons wouldn't be allowed parole without a vasectomy, and juvenile felons would be held until they were old enough to legally consent.  But "muy cibil rites" has put that off the table.

Blogger Bosefus November 21, 2016 12:36 AM  

Becareful what you say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iaR3WO71j4

They take away your name... but now you got a number.

If you say anything about it... well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXfcsFhc7A

You better not gamble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHhwLHC2xYc

Blogger Bosefus November 21, 2016 1:01 AM  

You got to make love to the women while their willin...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_u2OmZ27XQ

Dont let the glasses/hair fool ya...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVC8huyLLU&list=PLIeRRviu1HMncZFA9M0UL9K0UgTddqwvD

He talks to the stars! and will even out the score.

Blogger MycroftJones November 21, 2016 1:03 AM  

@139 lawn mowing tends to be a holyness spiral. Middle class jerks want your lawn to be a putting green, and get up to all sorts of tricks if you try to save water by keeping it at 4 inches in height.

Blogger MycroftJones November 21, 2016 1:08 AM  

@135 and just try growing dandelions in your yard to cure your grandma's cancer.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 21, 2016 1:17 AM  

If we were collectively sane, we'd pay the hood rats and barrio denizens to be sterilized. Felons wouldn't be allowed parole without a vasectomy, and juvenile felons would be held until they were old enough to legally consent.

I actually endorse this. It's more humane than the manor system that civilized YT with hangings, and could be as effective while more voluntary.

Blogger Bosefus November 21, 2016 1:18 AM  

This time round... It's all about me... hey grandma... this time round...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM87rI-sR7o

It's a beautifal day today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhq7OIOlmPY

The tree of life is a burdensom thing to those that live a lie.... Why... who am I?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zqw7vnSZU

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 21, 2016 1:30 AM  

It might be unconscious, I think they subvert their own motives for the sake of conscience, but it explains and predicts their actions perfectly.

I must aggressively agree with you. I think they're of the Transnational Managerial class and simply don't share our interests.

Blogger Bosefus November 21, 2016 1:36 AM  

Screw you, It's ALL ABOUT ME!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vviAimAmY38

Blogger Bosefus November 21, 2016 1:49 AM  

I can't go on like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mR_T0TpthU

ok... try this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifQK_86Nk-A

Blogger Prez Davis November 21, 2016 6:43 PM  

The vast majority of whites need to get a clue. Different racial groups are biological competitors in the contest of evolution, including exterminations (aka annihilation of one's enemies). Fortunately for us whites, we have been better at conquest than all other groups. My job as a white man is to make sure that my own race is not the next elimination in the big tournament.

Blogger Prez Davis November 21, 2016 6:48 PM  

The proper reply to that is a big fat Hell No. Why would I want whites to mongrelize and the resulting its grafted back into my race? As a Southerner, I consider us damn lucky the South had the one drop rule. We'd be a bunch of mystery meats by now if that had not been the standard.

Blogger Prez Davis November 21, 2016 6:52 PM  

Traitors have to go first. I'm not interested in torturing anybody, but the welfare of traitors and our biological competitors is not my primary concern.

Anonymous Luke November 22, 2016 5:31 AM  

Salma Hayek and Andy Garcia are NOT whites.

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