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Tuesday, November 01, 2016

The rise of Trump and the fall of America

Peter Thiel has been on a serious roll of late. His speech yesterday about the upcoming election was less about Donald Trump and more about why the USA is in desperate need of a man like Donald Trump due to the complete failure of its government and its elites.
Only an outbreak of insanity would seem to account for the unprecedented fact that this year, a political outsider managed to win a major party nomination.

To the people who are used to influencing our choices, the wealthy people who give money and the commentators who give reasons why, it all seems like a bad dream.

Donors don't want to find out why we got here, they just want to move on. Come November 9, they hope everyone else will go back to business as usual. But it is this heedlessness: the temptation to ignore in difficult realities indulged in by our citizens that got us where we are today....

What explains this eagerness to escalate a dangerous situation? How could Hillary Clinton be so wildly overoptimistic about the outcome of work?

I would suggest it comes from a lot of practice. For a long time, our elites have been in the power a long time, our elites have been in the habit of denying difficult realities. That is how bubbles form. Wherever there's a hard problem but people want to believe in an easy solution, they will be tempted to deny reality and inflated bubble. Something about the experience of the baby boomers, whose lives have been so much easier than their parents or their children has led them to buy into bubbles again and again. The trade bubble says everyone is a winner. The war bubble says victory is just around the corner, but these overoptimistic stories simply have not been true and voters are tired of being lied to.

It was both insane and somehow inevitable that D.C. insiders expected this election to be a rerun between the two political dynasties who let us through the two most gigantic financial bubbles of our time. President George W. Bush presided over the inflation of the housing bubble so big that it's collapse is still causing economic stagnation today. But what is strangely forgotten is that the last decade housing bubble was just an attempt to make up for the gains that have been lost the decade before that. In the 1990's, President Bill Clinton presided over an enormous stock market bubble and devastating crash in 2000 just as his second term was coming to an end. That is how long the same people have been pursuing the same disastrous policies.

Now that someone different is in the running, someone who rejects the stories that tell us everything is fine, his larger-than-life persona attracts a lot of attention. Nobody would suggest Donald Trump is a humble man. But the big things, he is right about an amount to a much-needed dose of humility. He has questioned the core concept of American exceptionalism.

He doesn't think the force of optimism alone can change reality without hard work. Just as much as is is about making America great, Trump's agenda is about making America a normal country, a normal country does not have a half trillion dollar trade deficit. A normal country does not fight five simultaneous undeclared wars.
America is not exceptional. America is not blessed by God. America is not immune from the patterns of history. Indeed, the United States of America has followed, almost precisely, the pattern of behavior exhibited by every previous fallen power.

America was great, not because it had superior propositions or concepts, but because it was founded by the most adventurous of the Anglo-Saxons, the great race that also established the Empire on which the sun never set. This was not an accident. The USA supplanted its founding power, Great Britain, because it was large, rich, populous, and geographically isolated, thereby insulating it from the debilitating effects of World War I and World War II. Its political culture was initially advantageous, but contained a fundamental flaw in its equalitarian pretensions.

The rot set in with the first wave of European immigration, who partially integrated, but adulterated the nation and the culture. America was further weakened by the second wave of European immigration, when even less suitable immigrants arrived, who only appeared to integrate, and readily took advantage of the opportunity, wealth, and power to which they had access to serve their various tribal interests instead of the original nation. The fatal wounding occurred with the third wave of immigration, the massive global wave, the largest invasion to ever take place in human history to date.

America is not exceptional. America is not blessed by God. America is now a conquered, occupied, overwhelmed nation that doesn't even know who or what it is. And until both conservatives and liberals come to understand that there never was an exceptional country called the United States, merely a naturally advantaged land mass that happened to be predominantly occupied for two hundred years by one particular high-performance nation, there is absolutely no hope of making America great again. In fact, America will likely only survive in a severely adulterated and geographically limited form.

History never ends, but empires always do.

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Anonymous Discard November 01, 2016 6:14 AM  

A defeated, occupied nation. Exactly. The only thing to do is to throw out the occupiers and the quislings. Anything less is just kicking the can down the road, at best.

Anonymous Icicle November 01, 2016 6:15 AM  

when even less suitable immigrants arrived, who only appeared to integrate, and took advantage of the opportunity, wealth, and power to which they had access to serve their various tribal interests.

FREE MEL GIBSON! FREE HIM FROM THE BLACKLIST!

Blogger Boko Harambe November 01, 2016 6:19 AM  

I seldom watch TV but it was on last night and the same commercial kept airing: Baby Boomers, get tested for Hep C! I remarked to The Man that all that free love really worked out well for our parents' generation, didn't it?

I see more clearly every day how this mess got to be so awful. I love my Boomer parents but man did they ever get the stars in their eyes...and now they refuse to look away. Dad always wondered why I couldn't just "get a job and save" and "buy a house, real estate is one investment that never fails!". He didn't have to navigate a crappy job market or face diminished interest rates on savings. He's a few years away from retirement, lost his job a few years ago and had to look for a new one. THEN he understood.

I told him about the hard evidence for rigged voting machines. He actually read a few articles and I could see the eyes starting to open. But it's too late for him. And America. The signs of us going the way of Rome were apparent decades ago, I saw them, but had no way to articulate them so well as you do, Vox, and as Theile does in his speech, and as so many others have.

Anonymous DJF November 01, 2016 6:20 AM  

“””a normal country does not have a half trillion dollar trade deficit.”””


I am not an economist nor do I play one on TV but my school of economics consists of two ideas

Math, where when there is more going out then coming in for a long period of time then the economy will follow

Psychology in that the timing of the economy is based on the minds of the people, when people realize that a tulip is not worth the same as a rich persons house and is in fact not worth a turnip then the economy will follow. The same applies to the idea that everyone will brush their teeth via the internet and that everyone will get rich selling each other houses at a higher and higher prices

600 billion budget deficits, 500 billion trade deficits, 19 trillion dollar federal government debt is the math

Now when will the psychology change? I don’t know?

Anonymous Confused Boomer November 01, 2016 6:28 AM  

I heard about that Hep C thing. That is awful. I should be ok though I wash my hands a lot.

Hey Vox did you go to Woodstock? Oh man I had this killer position with a view. You should have seen Jimi Hendrix there. It was something else.

Blogger Robert What? November 01, 2016 6:35 AM  

We will never again be a 90% White country, never mind Anglo-Saxon. Anyone who is waiting for that is as deluded as the Boomers. We have to make due with what we have. Which means forming alliances with like minded people who are not Anglo-Saxon and often not even White.

Blogger Lobo Util November 01, 2016 6:37 AM  

It is interesting that Christ was born into a land of multiple races NOT living together in harmony. That was a place of so much deceit and competition for power that they would crucify their own God.

However, Babylon, Rome, and the Huns had great periods of prosperity when they conquered by the sword, conscripted relatively small armies of conquered people, and allowed countries to rule themselves with armies conscripted from still other nations to rule the conquered people.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 6:40 AM  

We will never again be a 90% White country, never mind Anglo-Saxon.

You must not read much history. The USA will collapse. It will be replaced by a number of countries, some of which will be more than 90 percent white.

Alliances will be formed, but across national lines, not within the same polity.

Anonymous Mister M November 01, 2016 6:40 AM  

It seems that Thiele has lost his "can't criticize me I'm Gay" card with this one. The SJW faction can't even see the hypocrisy - not that they ever tried to. Feelz trumps Logic every time....

Blogger Noah B November 01, 2016 6:50 AM  

@6 We will never again be a 90% White country...

50 years ago few considered it possible that America could become a majority non-white country. 500 years ago few natives thought their people would largely be replaced by whites.

Few are typically aware of a trend having changed until long after the fact. Even fewer are aware of why a trend has changed.

In this case, the growth of the NAM population has been so rapid because it has been subsidized by whites. However, both the willingness and ability of whites to continue subsidizing NAM population growth are rapidly collapsing.

Anonymous Sensei November 01, 2016 6:58 AM  

Vox wrote: America is not exceptional. America is not blessed by God.

Our exceptionalism, such as it may have been, is mostly founders who had an exceptionally clear understanding of human nature and set things up to run accordingly. And that America has managed to run so long without an oil change is a testament to how accurate their vision was.

But when God chooses to bless, He blesses most of all with more of Himself. When one is given a greater understanding of wider reality, material blessings follow both obedience and that deeper understanding.

Most of the Church in America now wants the material blessings based on maintaining nicely correct opinions, not obedience or an open-eyed understanding of reality.

In that sense I'd argue God is definitely blessing America.. 8 years of Obama to force open a nation's eyes, followed by the identity crisis of this election with a clear "choose you this day" moment. It's a last chance we don't deserve, but God is ever gracious.

Anonymous Discard November 01, 2016 7:03 AM  

6. Robert What: Yes we can be 90% White again, just not under the present regime. Without regime change there will be no end to mass immigration, and no end to racial preferences for non-Whites. Regime change will come, because the economy will collapse, since it's nothing but a credit bubble. We will have to rebuild, and parasites will be expelled, or worse.
The point of Trump is not that he will be sitting in the White house, it's that a large majority of White men have turned against the government. It will fall, just like the USSR.

Blogger Minecraft Chuck November 01, 2016 7:06 AM  

See above about need for hard work. It can be done, for example, if enough people are willing to get their hands dirty. The question is, should it be done?

Blogger ZhukovG November 01, 2016 7:07 AM  

@Robert What?: Where there is 'The Will'; there is a way.

However, if 'The Establishment' humbles itself and supports Donald Trump(assuming he's elected)then I expect that Americans will be satisfied with 75-80%.

But, given the terminal myopia which seems to infect 'The Establishment', I expect them to do something really stupid if Donald Trump is elected. Perhaps they will crash the economy or something else. But I imagine The Donald will be able to focus the peoples anger appropriately.

In that event we will end up 90-95% White, even if we have to do it on an industrial scale.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 01, 2016 7:09 AM  

We are truly in the midst of a spiritual battle.

“This is always the sign when something spiritual is going on, it's always irrational.”
On The Brink of World War III, Iben Thranholm with Stefan Molyneux:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV_AIN4CS9M

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 01, 2016 7:15 AM  

Sensei. In 1788 we went to "No King But Jesus" to "no religious tests." Jesus was abandoned in favor of an undefined god in "In god we trust."

Anonymous TS November 01, 2016 7:21 AM  

"But because it was founded by the most adventurous of the Anglo-Saxons, the great race that also established the Empire on which the sun never set."

Not everybody saw it that way.

Caesar, in writing home, said of the Britons, “They are the most ignorant people I have ever conquered. They cannot be taught music.” Cicero, in writing to his friend Atticus, advised him not to buy slaves in England, “because,” said he, “they cannot be taught to read, and are the ugliest and most stupid race I ever saw.”


http://www.realmofhistory.com/2016/03/09/25-incredible-roman-quotes-you-should-know/


Nam cum sint duo genera decertandi, unum per disceptationem, alterum per vim, cumque illud proprium sit hominis, hoc beluarum, confugiendum est ad posterius, si uti non licet superiore.

Anonymous Cantostop November 01, 2016 7:22 AM  

I'm torn with Trump, on the one hand, I pray he wins and am terrified if Clinton gets in, for several reasons. On the other hand, we have so many issues... just today I was reading about a recent decision to put Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill, to replace Andrew Jackson. Are you fucking kidding me?

As Vox has said, for all my badthinkz opinions, I too could never point to the inherent superiority of whites, simply because look how self-destructive we are.

I often find myself theorizing about an ideal magic button, what would pressing it do? Immediately designate a small portion of the USA, say part of New England near Canada (those canucks love their socialism and anti-racism goodfeelz let me tell you), or further away, hell let's even say all of Puerto Rico, we have enough beaches, then forcibly put anyone there who voted for Clinton, in addition to 100% of all without majority white blood, and the "one drop" rule for negroids, then wall it up and strip them of citizenship?

As Stephen Covey said, begin with the end in mind. Can't reach a goal that doesn't exist!

I'm extremely curious VP, what would your magic buttons be like?

Blogger Noah B November 01, 2016 7:23 AM  

@14 If Trump wins, the GOPe cucks in Congress will oppose him more vigorously than they have opposed Obama at any point in the last six years. Dems won't hesitate to pile on. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump elected by a substantial margin, only to be impeached for doing his job. Then it will be up to angry citizens to stop them.

On the other hand they wouldn't lay a finger on a President Hillary no matter what crimes she committed, simply because she's one of them.

Anonymous Sensei November 01, 2016 7:28 AM  

@16
Sensei. In 1788 we went to "No King But Jesus" to "no religious tests." Jesus was abandoned in favor of an undefined god in "In god we trust."

In what sense is that a reply to anything I said?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 01, 2016 7:34 AM  

I'm extremely curious VP, what would your magic buttons be like?

Secession. Dixit, Deserexit, Texit.

Anonymous Cantostop November 01, 2016 7:39 AM  

'Trump Takes Lead In ABC/WaPo Poll That Gave Hillary 13 Point Advantage Just One Week Earlier'
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/trump-takes-lead-abcwapo-poll-gave-hillary-13-point-advantage-just-one-week-earlier

TOPKEK

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 01, 2016 7:44 AM  

In that the deception at the Constitutional Convention was turning their backs to King Jesus. The adoption of the new Constitution was the abandonment of the original covenant.
The republic died and the empire began and its march to death.
A house was built on shifting sand. It was not a wise move by the Founding Fathers, not a blessing from God.

Blogger Nate November 01, 2016 7:49 AM  

It isn't just immigration Vox. There is more to it than that. Great Empires fall because of a well established cycle by which their people are changed from rugged adventurous explorers and risk takers... into navel gazing lazy slobs.

Anonymous Cantostop November 01, 2016 7:50 AM  

@21
I've thought about Texit etc, but practically speaking I come up short.. how would you prevent what rendered it necessary in the first place? Limited to majority white blood, if not then what percent, if any? Could someone from the other states join or would there be a minimum residency requirement? And so on.

Another issue I have is that the entire country belonged to whites, and I find the notion of conceding that much territory abhorrent, though I suppose it's not a concession per se.

Anonymous old man in a villa November 01, 2016 7:51 AM  

Last night I saw a Hillary commercial. It featured a baby boomer aged White male talking about how he supported Trump until the tape came out (I suspect the pussy grab clip). Then the camera panned out to show him with his two halfrican grandchildren and their afros playing on a swingset in Grandpop's back yard and he continued with how he would never vote for him now, that Hillary was the clear pick for his grandkid's future.

I wondered for just a second if it wasn't really a Trump satire commercial trying to poke holes in Hillary's rapidly deflating balloon, but no, it was just an appeal to the David French cucks out there who are marching off the cliff of history.

Blogger praetorian November 01, 2016 7:55 AM  

What if we just kill all the non-whites?

The only hard part would be the Irish.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 7:57 AM  

I'm extremely curious VP, what would your magic buttons be like?

To quote a story we published in There Will Be War Vol. X:

Heaven brings forth innumerable things to nurture Man.
Man has nothing good with which to recompense Heaven.
Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 8:02 AM  

It isn't just immigration Vox. There is more to it than that. Great Empires fall because of a well established cycle by which their people are changed from rugged adventurous explorers and risk takers... into navel gazing lazy slobs.

You're failing to observe the connection. It is "just the immigration" in the sense that it is "just the sword" or "just the bullet". But the immigration is a predictable consequence of the cycle.

Mass immigration exists for one and only one reason: the natives want to live off the work of the newcomers. That has been true since the first slaves were taken. The only difference is that we now say that "hard-working immigrants are good for the economy because they do the jobs that the natives won't do."

The Southerners doomed the South with their slave labor. The South Africans doomed their country because they couldn't bring themselves to actually give up the benefits of cheap black labor. The Germans laid the groundwork for the current invasion with the 1970s Turkish gastarbeiter.

It's always the same.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2016 8:05 AM  

Descendants of those who came to North America in the 1st or 2nd waves of immigration consider themselves Americans, but they do so like a child of Southern California who moves (for work) to the Deep South and starts attending football games at Alabama.

"We're #1!" (Facepalm)

I find that most attachment to the USA today is no less shallow.

Blogger dienw November 01, 2016 8:05 AM  

Noah B wrote:@14 If Trump wins, the GOPe cucks in Congress will oppose him more vigorously than they have opposed Obama at any point in the last six years. Dems won't hesitate to pile on. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump elected by a substantial margin, only to be impeached for doing his job. Then it will be up to angry citizens to stop them.

Given what Trump has to do, he should rightly judge such to be an insurrection and use military tribunals as the judicial branch is fully corrupted and anti-constitution.

Blogger dienw November 01, 2016 8:08 AM  

Secession. Dixit, Deserexit, Texit = colonies: Chinese and Mexican. Or do you idiot Southrons think the rest of us will come to your aid?

Southrons cannot think beyond "The South! will rise again!"

Anonymous Skeptic November 01, 2016 8:12 AM  

I am not sure that I can agree that America was never exceptional or blessed by God. The Lord rules history and uses nations to his purpose. America has done much good in the world and was founded in faith. Surely that is no accident. I, and most serious people, have to admit though that this is no longer the case and America stands for something evil.

Anonymous NP November 01, 2016 8:15 AM  

"What if we just kill all the non-whites?"

Temporary and simplistic solution. The real enemy is within ie... leftist whites, until that's realized all other measures are doomed to failure.

Anonymous Rezny November 01, 2016 8:16 AM  

Well, if you're still going full communist, USSR deported a bit less than 500k Chechens and Ingush into Central Asian desert areas in 14 days.
And that was during the war in a place whose infrastucture had been damaged by German South group of armies, where 0.5% of people was actively fighting Soviet power and Russian population. By a small part of NKVD forces (think weaponized FBI).
180 convoys were used, roughly a train every two hours. People were exiled as far as 2000 km.

That's meant for "Muh Murrica will never be majority White" response. It could easily become, the only question is price taken by the leader to do it.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 8:21 AM  

I am not sure that I can agree that America was never exceptional or blessed by God. The Lord rules history and uses nations to his purpose. America has done much good in the world and was founded in faith.

What did it do that you would not EXPECT from a bigger, richer, and more defensible Great Britain, given the history and accomplishments of the British people?

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2016 8:23 AM  

@29, Very insightful. Mercantilism made more sense; at least the industrial concerns of a country exploited the wogs in Wogistan instead of importing them like rotten fruit filled with invasive species of tree borers.

The USA (and UK, plus others) are in the final stage of the appearance of reaching apogee. In terms of social health, the USA was far better off before the mid-1960's (not to mention two centuries earlier, given that the Federalist and Anti-Federalist debate was what common men read in the newspapers), but moving to fully fiat money and launching the Credit Bubble and Great Asset Mania all accrue to a population besotted with self-satisfaction and bent on maintaining the appearance of riches by any means necessary, up to and including pawning all the industry and property of the country to creditors.

Those creditors (members of the global elite, China, etc.) lined up, like money-lenders of yore, knowing that they'd eventually hold title to all that collateral.

In one aspect after another (e.g., extending voting rights from property-holding men to, eventually, everyone but the family dog) the USA has followed the ancient pattern of every society; birthed in hardship, moving through the vigor of young adulthood, only to reach complacent self-satisfaction and ultimately sclerosis and senility in old age.

It is our burden to be among those early to honestly assess the condition of the society in which we live, and recognize that it falls to us to tackle the inevitable hardships arising from coming (creative) destruction. We will be tested, and that must be counted as good. The populace needs a good culling.

Blogger Noah B November 01, 2016 8:26 AM  

"I'm extremely curious VP, what would your magic buttons be like?"

One would be a crisp, 2 lb. pull.

Blogger JV Small November 01, 2016 8:27 AM  

VD,

I have to respectfully disagree. America was exceptional, not in any way, but because of who its founders were.

Not Kings, nor adventurers, nor second sons casting pale green light. Not outcasts, mercenaries or crusaders.

The United States at its inception was founded by men who believed in God, in a Republican form of government, and in the rule of law. Never before had such a confluence of ideas merged to form a nation. It was this Christian spirit that led to the formation of a new Republic that has not only risen to rival the greatness the Roman Republic whose armies marched beneath banners declaring they were fighting for the Senate and the People of Rome, but has eclipsed it. It was a rejection of power that made it great.

One only need to imagine standing in the crowd gathered around George Washington as he declared that he was not running for re-election. There is the spirit of American exceptionalism, the willingness to serve and then to let go. Its because the founders believed that public service should be service, and should not be profitable, but should be engaged in by the wealthy as a way to return something to the community.

Yes, we are in a state of decline, but this is the natural trend. As is often said, we have been invaded. We have forgotten that our citizenship must not be simply given away to those that sneak in like thieves in the night, that attempt to rob us like highwaymen, and undermine our laws by their very presence.

We have forgotten that America is a rejection of kings, of nobles, of the petty squabbles of Europe. Instead we have mindless morons who worship idols of flesh in the form of celebrities, who think the office sanctifies the holder, who believe that government is sacrosanct. These are the ultimate unAmerican beliefs. Forget Communism, Socialism and the other isms. They cannot take root in a nation that believes in the divine right of the individual to govern themselves free of interference.

You are right when you say America was undermined with the first wave of European Immigration in the 1840s, and further undermined later. It was infested with those who did not believe in the individual, in God, or in themselves, and thus believed that government must help them. They propelled Lincoln to power, stripped the States of their sovereignty and turned the Republic into that most accursed of all forms of government, a Democracy.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2016 8:34 AM  

@34, Agreed, the problems of today would be extinguished in days but for the Fifth Columnists, the White Rabbits who surround us.

Hardship must and will cull the irredeemable r-selected whites, and it will compel the redeemable rabbits to parrot K-selection attributes (or simply follow K- pack leaders who emerge.) Only once the White Wolves emerge after the winter of our coming discontent, leaving the husks of emaciated White Rabbits to feed the predators who the rabbits treated as pets, will there be any possibility of establishing homogeneous nations with defined geographic boundaries.

I think this is all going to take a very long time, and occur in what in the light of hindsight will be three, four or five defined waves.

In the meantime, negative action is required, not positive action. Withhold assistance to White Rabbits rather than actively driving them. Let nature take its course with them. It will be like watching a Nature program about predators and prey.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2016 8:38 AM  

@39 We have forgotten that America is a rejection of kings, of nobles, of the petty squabbles of Europe

The rejection of aristocracy is part of the decline. Natural hierarchies are stabilizing; their rejection doesn't make men equal, it creates the very conditions under which (quoting Hayek) the scum rises to the top.

Geography isolated America from Europe's squabbles until Wilson sought to smash monarchy once and for all. We all see how well that brilliant notion panned out.

Civics (Social Studies) classes in the USA taught nothing but mythology for the last 100 years.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 8:48 AM  

The United States at its inception was founded by men who believed in God, in a Republican form of government, and in the rule of law. Never before had such a confluence of ideas merged to form a nation. It was this Christian spirit that led to the formation of a new Republic that has not only risen to rival the greatness the Roman Republic whose armies marched beneath banners declaring they were fighting for the Senate and the People of Rome, but has eclipsed it. It was a rejection of power that made it great.

That's simply false. Those ideas were dead and gone long before the USA eclipsed the power of Rome. You're still smoking the proposition myth, even though you've correctly rejected the proposition nation crack.

And there is nothing "exceptional" or American about turning away from power. Washington merely followed the example of Cincinnatus and others.

The rejection of aristocracy is part of the decline. Natural hierarchies are stabilizing; their rejection doesn't make men equal, it creates the very conditions under which (quoting Hayek) the scum rises to the top.

We have an aristocracy. You just fail to recognize it for what it is. The aristocracy is almost always venal.

Blogger Phillip George November 01, 2016 8:50 AM  

Fly the flag for Jesus and your nation will be exceptional.
Lake Wobegon is a statistical anomaly in so much as everyone is above average in every sample group. We can certainly bend the laws of mathematics. Water from wine and left over loaves and fishes. Reverse entropy your nation today.
Caesars for Jesus. Kings for Christ or serfs for secularists. It's a very very stark choice. Bad doctrine robbed you blind is all. Separation of church and state robbed you blind. Novus Seclorum Ordo emptied your cheque book.



Blogger Noah B November 01, 2016 8:54 AM  

@24 That's the eye of the storm. It's natural that we want to make a better life for our children, and the common temptation is to do things that end up making them soft, weak, and foolish. From one generation to the next the effects can be cumulative, with occasional reversals of the process caused by wars, depressions, and famines. Even in war, it's only the survivors who become hardened - the men who die in war often leave children to be raised in fatherless homes. (Some have tied the rise of progressivism in the US to the large number of children who grew up without fathers in the Civil War.)

The only cure is hardship.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 01, 2016 8:55 AM  

Washington merely followed the example of Cincinnatus and others.

He also had no heir to any throne.

PA

Anonymous Bobby Farr November 01, 2016 8:55 AM  

Thiel also had the guts to publicly acknowledge the fact that the combination of women being allowed to vote and importing third world dependents doomed individual liberty. I think before the rise of Trump he had been dabbling in seascaping and other ways of disconnecting from the state.

Anonymous Rezny November 01, 2016 8:57 AM  

@29
Vox, there are counter-examples.

Polish workers in Rhein-Ruhr area during late XIX century were a destabilizing element and provoked much hostility from locals, yet they stayed and eventually Germanized.

Belorussia had an influx of Tatar settlers around century XIV that mostly assimilated into locals adopting Polish or Russian culture and religion in several centuries. Probably would have already went extinct if not for Polish conspicuous tolerance (i.e. "everything allowed that's not Russian or Orthodoxy").

Maybe third or so of population of Novorussia region were exiles and refugees from then-Ottoman Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece, they totally integrated since. It's interesting to see some former Serbs in Novorussia being more Russiaboo than Small proper Russians roleplaying Borderlandistan.
No hostilies were present, as I recall, as there were so much free land to settle and exploit. Only some Pontic Greeks were forcefully resettled from Crimean south, IIRC for having ties with muslims.

Germans from Catherine the Great onwards remained half-assimilated (not unlike your Hyphen-Americans, perhaps), and were often treated with suspicion from xenophobic locals, yet became a very valuable addition to both high and middle classes and they helped enough to colonize lower Volga region. They remained traditional, pro-Russian and anticommunist pretty much forever.

There clearly are boundaries under which immigrants are assimilated and integrated without the receiving country degrading itself as a result.

Blogger Noah B November 01, 2016 9:01 AM  

@42 Further, the myth of exceptionalism is a dangerous one that encourages fools to believe that we are immune from the perils that have threatened nations throughout history.

It's like telling a child that he doesn't need to work hard, because he's special.

Blogger JV Small November 01, 2016 9:01 AM  

@41

I disagree, there is a difference between respecting Rule of Law, and kissing the ass of a pussified monarch. There is a difference between following a superior warrior and calling him chieftain and making the office hereditary. These United States, as a result of their Anglo-saxon heritage often formed groups around strong men, much like the Germans and the Norwegians.

What you push as a result of a rejection of kings, isn't, It is a result of the rejection of individual sovereignty, of greed let loose, of jealousy, envy, and useless idiots angry that when they labor making mud-cakes they are still left with nothing of value.

Anonymous Bobby Farr November 01, 2016 9:02 AM  

Thiel has been good for a long time but has hit his stride since destroying Gawker. His article about the destructive combination of women and immigrants was written in 2009 and is available here https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 9:02 AM  

Vox, there are counter-examples.

So what? There are a handful against the literally thousands of examples demonstrating that immigration is how a nation dies. Even the Mamluks, who were child-slaves, managed to TWICE take over the nations they were brought in to serve as slaves.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 01, 2016 9:06 AM  

@38 Noah: Well put!

Blogger Phillip George November 01, 2016 9:06 AM  

or put that another way: Christendom is the exceptional propositional nation because is it the only comprehensively sane universal truth there is. That makes it exceptional.
Get on board the only train that is fine.

to all the pseudo intellectuals just laboratory refute Pasteur. ie. We win.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 01, 2016 9:07 AM  

praetorian wrote:What if we just kill all the non-whites?

The only hard part would be the Irish.


Poison all the green beer, problem solved.

Blogger JV Small November 01, 2016 9:11 AM  

VD wrote:That's simply false. Those ideas were dead and gone long before the USA eclipsed the power of Rome. You're still smoking the proposition myth, even though you've correctly rejected the proposition nation crack.

And there is nothing "exceptional" or American about turning away from power. Washington merely followed the example of Cincinnatus and others.


And is that not exceptional in and of itself?

How many people have the moral fortitude to reject power when it could be theirs? Is this not a result of his belief in a Republic?

And yes, the Christian ethos died prior to us eclipsing Rome, but it is still what drove us to those heights. Just because an empire is entering decline does not mean that it can not still continue being propelled by its existing motion, before it slips into decline.

The stage for our victory in WWII was set prior to WWI, when we became the largest steel producer in the world, exceeding even the United Kingdom. The stage of our decline was set prior to that with Lincoln, and the final nails in our coffin were hammered in with the Federal Reserve, and with Income Taxes.

Other nails include the stagnation of the growth of the House of Representatives, undermining the Republic and paving the way for the venal aristocracy which you point out. How can a citizen serve his community when all the power is concentrated in the hands of the few, much contrary to the vision of the founders?

Anonymous paradox November 01, 2016 9:21 AM  

@ dienw

Southrons cannot think beyond "The South! will rise again!"



So you're saying we Southerners actually have a national identity. Yeah, I can understand stand why that would upset White Yankees, who's cultural identity is lost in transgender fluid.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 01, 2016 9:29 AM  

Secession. Dixit, Deserexit, Texit = colonies: Chinese and Mexican. Or do you idiot Southrons think the rest of us will come to your aid?

We neither need nor want your help.

Southrons cannot think beyond "The South! will rise again!"

That is how it should be.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 9:31 AM  

And is that not exceptional in and of itself?

No. Not even a little bit. You don't know sufficient history. Moreover, you are STILL glossing over the very real and material advantages that the USA possessed.

There was NOTHING exceptional about the USA's accomplishments. Indeed, one would have quite reasonably expected it to accomplish even more, were it not for the idiocies of a) the Civil War, b) 1913, and c) WWI.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 9:33 AM  

The stage for our victory in WWII was set prior to WWI, when we became the largest steel producer in the world, exceeding even the United Kingdom.

No. The stage for US victory was set when a) it avoided being the only combatant susceptible to serious attack and b) Hitler broke the non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union.

The Soviets won the war in Europe, not the Americans or British. If the Soviets had been neutral, neither Normandy nor Anzio would have ever taken place.

Anonymous David-093 November 01, 2016 9:36 AM  

America was exception, America was blessed by God, and America may or may not be conquered. But even if it is truly conquered at the end of this crisis, that means nothing. The Muslims conquered Spain and held it for 700 years before they were removed. A nation isn't defeated until it's exterminated. As long as there are Americans remaining, it can rise again.

Anonymous Rezny November 01, 2016 9:38 AM  

@51
Mamluks did. But they weren't cotton slaves or serfs.
They were literate warrior class. Slave status made them personal property of the sultan, as in his personally dependent warriors.
Arabs are notoriously lazy, Slavic warrior-slaves Saqaliba in Spain had done the same Caucasian Mamluks did in Egypt or Greek-Slavic Janissary almost did in Turkey.
But they weren't migrants. Technically they were mercenaries. Just instead of paycheck they received status and food from their household owner the sultan.
Mamluk Egypt was Egypt alright. Being ruled by Kurdish dynasty before didn't change much either.

Mamluk example testifies against mercenary armies alright, not against immigration itself.


The very Rome people here like to emulate had Plebeians, descendants of latecomers opposed to Patrician original inheritors.
Tell me the Rome died when they allowed first Plebeians to settle in.

Russia of Kievan period successfully assimilated several waves of Oghur, Oghuz and Kipchak Turkics in modern Middle Ukraine.
The French assimilated troublesome Norse newcomers in both Brittany and Normandy.
Maybe half the Highland Scottish clans are of Norse descent, yet they're more Celtic than half of Ireland is now.


Eventually it is a question of culture, whether it is enforced/accepted by the newcomers or not. Inferiour culture won't be accepted regardless how much stress put on newcomers.
Sure modern Islamic culture is shieeet. The thing is the modern Western culture is barely better, if any, and they don't enforce Classical Western culture in the very West either.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 01, 2016 9:41 AM  

I got sucked into arguing theory. Doh!

I live in a certain time and place. Actions I take affect only an insignificant part of the whole (although very significant to me.) Otherwise, like my ancestors and (hopefully) my descendants, the environment is a given, both politically and socially. Arguing about how it *should* be is the navel-gazing error of libertarianism.

I believe what results is entirely the result of spontaneous organization driven by endogenous forces, therefore debating the highs, the lows, the salutary and the pernicious processes is all heat, no light. I surely have better things to do...like mow the grass.

Anonymous Skeptic November 01, 2016 9:46 AM  

What did it do that you would not EXPECT from a bigger, richer, and more defensible Great Britain, given the history and accomplishments of the British people?

It is a fair question. I think perhaps the best answer to it is the things that America did not do. With all of its natural advantages in human and material capital, America did not use its power or its influence more for naked self gain and conquest. Now, our history still had a lot of that in it, but much less than normal and far less than would be expected. Especially given the natural advantages that you have rightly pointed out.

Blogger Teri November 01, 2016 9:46 AM  

If you were there, you wouldn't have remembered it!

Blogger JV Small November 01, 2016 9:47 AM  

VD wrote:And is that not exceptional in and of itself?

No. Not even a little bit. You don't know sufficient history. Moreover, you are STILL glossing over the very real and material advantages that the USA possessed.

There was NOTHING exceptional about the USA's accomplishments. Indeed, one would have quite reasonably expected it to accomplish even more, were it not for the idiocies of a) the Civil War, b) 1913, and c) WWI.



Enlighten me, what other examples, besides Cincinnatus, are there of people rejecting power when it is practically handed to them?

And by WWI, are you referring to the League of Nations, or the crass waste of life fighting over a backwater or both?

Blogger Cerdic Ricing November 01, 2016 10:03 AM  

@57
Definitely. It means we still have something left.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 10:07 AM  

Enlighten me, what other examples, besides Cincinnatus, are there of people rejecting power when it is practically handed to them?

No. Read your own bloody history. You're not a schoolchild, you're a grown adult who should know better than to argue from ignorance.

By WWI, I am referring to US involvement in the Great War and subsequent interference with the peace terms.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 10:08 AM  

With all of its natural advantages in human and material capital, America did not use its power or its influence more for naked self gain and conquest.

You cannot possibly be serious. The USA has militarily occupied a greater extent of the planet than Rome or Great Britain ever did. And imposed a currency regime on the planet.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) November 01, 2016 10:19 AM  

You cannot possibly be serious. The USA has militarily occupied a greater extent of the planet than Rome or Great Britain ever did. And imposed a currency regime on the planet.

Oh sure, well when you frame it THAT way...

Blogger James Dixon November 01, 2016 10:25 AM  

> We will never again be a 90% White country, never mind Anglo-Saxon.

Speak for yourself. My area of the country still is.

> Or do you idiot Southrons think the rest of us will come to your aid?

a) Why would we want the help of incompetents like you?
b) You'll have too many problems of your own.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 01, 2016 10:34 AM  

Rezny wrote:Russia of Kievan period successfully assimilated several waves of Oghur, Oghuz and Kipchak Turkics in modern Middle Ukraine.

Tell me, where is there civil war in the former Russian empire? Why do the Ukrainians see themselves as a distinct people from the Russian? Those Turks and Balts and Tartars all assimilated so thoroughly that after 500 years they are still fighting.

The French assimilated troublesome Norse newcomers in both Brittany and Normandy.
And my ancestors, the Normans, they are so well assimilated they have their own dialect of French, their own province, and yes, their own independence movement.

Maybe half the Highland Scottish clans are of Norse descent, yet they're more Celtic than half of Ireland is now.
And strangely, the Scottish Clans "of Norse descent", they integrated so well into the British people, now didn't they? Despite the now quantifiable fact that their physical inheritance is only about 25% Norse. The "more Celtic than the Irish" schtick is a deliberate social cohesion ploy they made in the 16th and 17th centuries when they were fighting the British.

In every example you use, the specific peoples you mention (Odessan Russians, Ukrainians, Scots, etc etc etc) are the specific source of social breakdown, rebellion, and civil war.
But they assimilated.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 01, 2016 10:42 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:And my ancestors, the Normans, they are so well assimilated they have their own dialect of French, their own province, and yes, their own independence movement.

My Norman ancestors immigrated to Britain in 1066, can't deny how well they assimilated.

Blogger Noah B November 01, 2016 10:44 AM  

@47, @61 How is it that you claim to know that, in all of your examples, assimilation occurred "without the receiving country degrading itself?" There probably isn't adequate historical data in any of your examples to fully quantify the changes brought about by immigration, even if those changes are evaluated strictly on cultural, religious, and linguistic bases. Moreover, in the genetic sense, assimilation requires a change to the gene pool of the host country (unless the migrant population is, on average, genetically identical to the host population - so unlikely as to be impossible). That's what I would call degradation.

Anonymous Chad November 01, 2016 11:03 AM  

@68 The term fighting for 'American Interests' comes to mind.

Anonymous Rezny November 01, 2016 11:04 AM  

@71
There weren't civil wars in Russia from 1775 to 1917.
And Pugachev Uprising were Cossacks rebelling against too quick integration, with Bashkirs joining as meat shield.
And those rebellions were in modern Lower Volga and Lower Don regions. Just happen to be 500 to 1000km from easternmost part of modern Ukraine.

Ukraine didn't exist until mass Korenizatsia politics of Bolshevik Jews in late 1920'es and mid 1930'es. These were Identity Politics first used 100 years ago, to split conquered people into smaller slices to exploit.
Before 1917 it was a freak project the like of Cascadia state or something. Yeah, millions of dem Cascadians troubling the US and A for two centuries already.

I can show you real propaganda from that time where Jews and Georgians of all peoples complained that people in Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic don't want to speak that extremely phony and silly made-up Ukrainian language much preferring their flawed attempts at speaking Literary Russian instead. Wow just I cant even that is literally Tsarism.
Written in Literary Russian, otherwise locals in Ukraine wouldn't bother to read it at all.

A bunch of freaks do not a movement make. Unless there are convenient foreign forces with money and special specialists to lend you a hand.
Norman secessionism is ridiculous. Smells like the rat race of "we want to integrate into EU ahead of the rest of our country" bullshit propagated in Scotland and Catalonia.
And Catalonians actually had some grievances with Castillians, unlike Norman people totally integrated into France for any external eye.


Yet again, Ukrainians are not a nation and never were. They have existed for 25 years on minimal gibs from Russia and are now North Somalia for all intents and purposes, cultural influence and power included.

Between 1917 and 1991 they existed on Russian payroll. 4 leaders of USSR were ethnically Small Russian roleplayers.
It is very easy to roleplay an imaginary people and build aircraft carriers and space rockets while being on your big brother total payroll.

No gibs by Jews and Ukrainians taken from Great and White Russians - no Ukrainians, half a country despises the very idea and all disintegrates into nothing.
I wonder if there were a connection.

Anonymous BGKB November 01, 2016 11:08 AM  

It seems that Thiele has lost his "can't criticize me I'm Gay" card with this one.

He lost that a long time ago, the left has no tolerance for different thoughts. Gay media has been against him since gawker.

Then the camera panned out to show him with his two halfrican grandchildren and their afros playing on a swingset in Grandpop's back

I have only seen grandma's with niglets never a grandpa.

Trump has to do, he should rightly judge such to be an insurrection and use military tribunals as the judicial branch is fully corrupted

Yall thought I was joking about the live game show "Don't Garrote Fewer Felon's Than a Faggot'

I seldom watch TV but it was on last night and the same commercial kept airing: Baby Boomers, get tested for Hep C!

The cure for Hep c is so expensive pretty much only the govt can afford it. It was discovered by ((())) who worked for the VA for decades researching Hep C but it was his separate private company that (((discovered))) it. His day job with the largest database of Hep C patients in the world has nothing to show for his years of work.

We will never again be a 90% White country, never mind Anglo-Saxon

A CME or EMP could cause a 80-90% die off in the US and worse world wide. Who do you think would survive in the US?

Anonymous Skeptic November 01, 2016 11:09 AM  

You cannot possibly be serious. The USA has militarily occupied a greater extent of the planet than Rome or Great Britain ever did. And imposed a currency regime on the planet.

If we arbitrarily date the turning of America's governance to Teddy Roosevelt term as president and the progressivism that he brought in, I think the difference can be seen. After this AMerica begins to slowly build an empire and stand for nothing exceptional. Before this, there is quite a bit of restraint.

Blogger pyrrhus November 01, 2016 11:10 AM  

As genetic anthropology is demonstrating regularly, once a dominant culture/ethnicity is infiltrated by mass immigration and/or border warfare with an alien group that has more cohesion, it is only a matter of time, sometimes centuries, before that culture and ethnic group will be replaced. In many cases, the only survivors seem to be young women who are taken by the conquerors. In the case of the Early European Farmers, some were also preserved on islands like Sardinia.

Anonymous BGKB November 01, 2016 11:22 AM  

I think before the rise of Trump he had been dabbling in seascaping and other ways of disconnecting from the state.

Theil likely still is. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a lifetime supply of freeze dried ice cream ready for the nigapocalypse.

Blogger l' Américain November 01, 2016 11:37 AM  

Haha, Vox, that "America is not exceptional" red pill is a little big for a few here.

I smoked that shit for a while, its hard to think that God is not looking out for the US, but instead of thinking that the US was exceptional, I began to think that the US was lucky. Very very, strangely lucky. Serendipitous, actually.

Anyway... Shall we discuss what area of the US to congregate in once the collapse occurs?

I think our eastern boarder should be the Rocky's so as to form some kind of natural barrier. The cold winters will keep us rugged. And then the deserts and extensive grass lands of the other side of the mountain shall be our western front.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 01, 2016 11:43 AM  

Some descendants of the Normans, that went into the Iberian peninsula, ended in Puerto Rico and gave me my family name.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 01, 2016 11:44 AM  

"But because it was founded by the most adventurous of the Anglo-Saxons, the great race that also established the Empire on which the sun never set."

Not everybody saw it that way.

Caesar, in writing home, said of the Britons,


Now there is an epic example of midwit historical literacy. Just enough knowledge to be disastrously wrong.

There were no Anglo-Saxons in the British Isles during Ceasar's life. They were living across the North Sea then, and conquered the Britons after the Romans left, hundreds of years after Ceasar et tu'ed.

Blogger oero nolem November 01, 2016 11:45 AM  

The German in Theil and Trump is antidoting the celtanglo overreach for the good of the land.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 01, 2016 11:52 AM  

The first step to a gentle eviction of the mass of aliens, who are evilly turning us into strangers in the only country on Earth where we belong, is conquering the transnational managerial class -- which does not have to be gentle because they're traitors. That will be easy, because in 4GW they're like unarmored artillery: powerful, but incredibly vulnerable.

However, even beginning the fight will probably depend on a shift in social mood, which at this point could trigger a collapse of our debt-backed currency. Then low-IQ NAMs will resort to their usual public displays of anger if their gimmedats are taken away, because of magical thinking.

So there will be some natural inclination to focus on the immediate public misbehavior, but I believe that would be a mistake. All anger at that predictable NAM threats and violence should be taken out on the exclusive private clubs of the worst tribe ever, the transnational managerial class responsible for preventing us from solving the problem.

And sure, the USA will almost certainly end. It might even break apart; but then we must conquer any neighboring cuckstates, to prevent the development of an ethnostate on our shores with ties to a great power; or else we would be setting up our posterity for tragedy, to suffer horrible atrocities.

If we are intelligent men that know history and care for the future, then we will do what we must to shape events to maximize our tribe's health, safety and success for millenia to come (no mere seven generations).

Anonymous Jack Amok November 01, 2016 11:55 AM  

Haha, Vox, that "America is not exceptional" red pill is a little big for a few here.

There is an exceptional nation within America, it's just not exceptional enough to thrive while weighed down, Harrison Bergeron-like, with the deadweight of millions of immivasionists and the rule of it's own most corrupt, along with the failure to remember who we are.

We're exceptional enough to win whenever we try, but not exceptional enough to win resting on someone else's laurels.

Blogger VD November 01, 2016 12:12 PM  

My Norman ancestors immigrated to Britain in 1066, can't deny how well they assimilated.

Those who assimilate most completely are those who invade, conquer, and rule. See: India.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora November 01, 2016 12:19 PM  

America may not have been exceptional but I believe it was blessed, at least the original people were. It is true that America was the beneficiary of good genes, culture, and geographical boundaries. But then again, it's very possible God's blessing is exactly that, the convergence of positive factors. People look for God in the supernatural and miss him in the mundane. Why did people doubt God in the Old Testament so often? Probably because his blessings were in the eye of the beholder and could just as easily be ascribed to everyday cause and effect. And barring very special occasions that may be exactly what his interactions with the world look like.

Blogger l' Américain November 01, 2016 12:34 PM  

@85

We are an exceptionally talented people, but there is nothing inherent in the soil and foundation of this country that is exceptional.

The US is exceptional because of and to the extent of its people.

The US being a 'proposition nation' flies directly in the face of the idea of genetic and racial difference.

If the US is exceptional based only on its constitution, the the people can be replaced and the country would not change.

Blogger ZhukovG November 01, 2016 12:34 PM  

@Jack Amok, Ref. post 82: Thank you for that reply. It was literally painful for me to read the drivel in the post to which you responded.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 01, 2016 12:41 PM  

Rezny wrote:Norman secessionism is ridiculous. Smells like the rat race of "we want to integrate into EU ahead of the rest of our country" bullshit propagated in Scotland and Catalonia.
Look, we know already you hate Ukies, and nobody here minds, well, except for the pro-Ukie faction of Quartermaster,Stephen Davenport etc. But you can't deny they are a separtate group and then go on to enumerate how horrible and not Russian they are. They're either Russian and no different, or they're only semi-Russian and have inherited some group traits that make them worse.

As far as the Normans, look up the Hundred Years War, dude. Yes, that's right, a hundred years of all-out war, rebellion and resistance led by the Normans. It's not made-up bullshit.
Your historical illiteracy is matched only by your unjustified arrogance.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 01, 2016 12:50 PM  

Skeptic wrote:If we arbitrarily date the turning of America's governance to Teddy Roosevelt term as president and the progressivism that he brought in, I think the difference can be seen. After this AMerica begins to slowly build an empire and stand for nothing exceptional. Before this, there is quite a bit of restraint.

It didn't start with Roosevelt. All of the westward expansion of the country starting with the Louisiana purchase was justified with the magic phrase:
Manifest
Destiny

That was an explicit call to Empire, as decreed by God, for the good of all peoples.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 01, 2016 12:58 PM  

The US is exceptional because of and to the extent of its people.

Some of it's people anyway, which is what "nation" means in my comment that there is an exceptional nation within America.

Nation = people, State = lines on a map.


Blogger Robert What? November 01, 2016 1:52 PM  

Irish are not white?

Blogger Latigo3 November 01, 2016 1:54 PM  

This is all so true. If anyone wants to see the beginning of the end of the Empire come out here to Southern California. Talk about seeing the end, heard on the morning radio show that Orange County is turning blue, and only one of the hosts had the courage to mention that it is due to demographics (Hispanic).

Anonymous Avalanche November 01, 2016 2:45 PM  

@14 'If Trump wins, the GOPe cucks in Congress will oppose him more vigorously"

Hence the need for us on the Alt Right to make CLEAR to these cucks and traitors that we ARE watching them and, unless they buckle down and amend their ways, they WILL pay for picking the wrong side!

Let them know they must:
Pick a side: Make sure it's the (Alt) Right side!

Anonymous Avalanche November 01, 2016 2:46 PM  

(Oops. sorry, that was to @19.)

Blogger weka November 01, 2016 3:36 PM  

@86 Those who assimilate most completely are those who invade, conquer, and rule. See: India.

The Normans did not assimilate, they reduced free Saxons to slaves. They became English when they lost Brittany, and most of them died during the wars of the Roses... by then, the gentry, who had done their dirty work and interbred, knew how to do this.

Ireland was invaded and conquered and the Church of Ireland turned Anglican as a consequence, about the same time that the first Englishmen hit Plymouth Rock and Virginia.

The Brits never assimilated in the Indian Raj. The Indians have not assimilated in Britain,

Anonymous Rezny November 01, 2016 4:05 PM  

@90
But you can't deny Southrons are a separate group and then go on to enumerate how horrible and not American they are. They're either American and no different, or they're only semi-American and have inherited some group traits that make them worse.

I can play this game too. Though Cossacks are more alike to Scotch-Irish and general Southern people than Ukrainians.

Small Russians have a great number of prominent people and good cultural traits. Korolev was Small Russian after all, and he put Mankind to space, for example.
But Ukrainians are not really Small Russians. Not those who take it seriously. You cant just swallow the Splinter Pill from a Bolshevik Jew from Caucasus (Jughashvili means "son-of-Jew" ffs) and remain normal since.
Hence Ukraine disintegrates into nothingness it was born from. This is very good, in the end. Small Russians will reclaim their patrimony from the Khazar mafia and join the All Russian multitude.


And I know well about the Hundred Years war. This is not relevant to immigration question. Normans were totally French by then.
The personal conflict of two French dynasties is not relevant. Maison de Gâtinais—Anjou weren't even Norman to begin with anyway.
Your argument is alike to branding non-Anglo migration because Jefferson Davis' ancestry happened to be Welsh and he lead one side in a civil war.

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Blogger l' Américain November 01, 2016 5:37 PM  

@92

Agreed.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 01, 2016 5:57 PM  

TS wrote:Caesar, in writing home, said of the Britons, “They are the most ignorant people I have ever conquered. They cannot be taught music.” Cicero, in writing to his friend Atticus, advised him not to buy slaves in England, “because,” said he, “they cannot be taught to read, and are the ugliest and most stupid race I ever saw.”
That was long before the Battle of Hastings, among other things which changed the face of Britain.

Noah B wrote:If Trump wins, the GOPe cucks in Congress will oppose him more vigorously than they have opposed Obama at any point in the last six years. Dems won't hesitate to pile on.
And when they lose primaries en masse in 2018, the message will really hit home.

I personally am leaning toward voting for the Dimocrap in my local congressional race (the cuckcumbent retired after 3 terms).  The R candidate is a cuck carpetbagger who is explicitly pro-immigration, when Indians are taking over the auto-industry tech jobs that used to be all-American.  The Dim will be just as bad, but will be a guaranteed loser in 2018.

Fuck immigrants, and fuck everyone who puts them above or even equal to Americans.

Anonymous Bo Sears November 01, 2016 7:25 PM  

Referrals to "founders" often confuse the ratification of the current Constitution by several of the thirteen states which ignores that it established an executive style, and replaced the congressional style which the original founders created in an organic way & developed over years of combat, namely the first Constitution which would provide all the inspiration we might need to elbow the second Constitution aside just as it did to the first Constitution.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 01, 2016 8:14 PM  

There was no single people Americans, for the most part. There were people within the several States. We still are but forced together by compulsion.

Blogger dfordoom November 01, 2016 8:35 PM  

@12. Discard

Without regime change there will be no end to mass immigration, and no end to racial preferences for non-Whites. Regime change will come, because the economy will collapse

Empires only collapse quickly when they lose a disastrous war. Without that the process of collapse can take centuries. The Roman Empire was rotten to the core for centuries but it survived because it faced no external enemy capable of destroying it (the Sassanian Persians were formidable but they were not formidable enough). The Ottoman Empire had begun to collapse in the early 18th century but it lasted another two hundred years. Had it not been for the First World War the Ottoman and Habsburg empires might still be with us.

The Soviet empire is the exception to the rule and it's a misleading exception. Only a clown like Gorbachev could have destroyed the Soviet empire. And the Soviets had a very formidable external enemy, the US, to hasten the process of disintegration.

And those empires did not have the apparatus of totalitarianism that the United States has today. The US government possesses a capability for identifying and crushing dissent that no other entity has ever had. And a willingness to use it ruthlessly and efficiently.

It would take another disaster on at least on the scale of the Vietnam War to bring about the overthrow of the American Empire. Or the emergence of an idiot on the scale of Gorbachev and idiots like that only appear once a century.

The US could stagger on for another century or more, becoming ever more impoverished and ever more totalitarian.

Blogger dfordoom November 01, 2016 8:52 PM  

@18. Cantostop

I too could never point to the inherent superiority of whites, simply because look how self-destructive we are.

What we've seen over the past century would seem to provide overwhelming evidence that whites are unfitted for survival, and possess neither the ability nor the desire to survive. In evolutionary terms, a dead end.

The question is, is our inferiority (in terms of unfitness for survival) genetic or cultural? If it's genetic our only hope is an admixture of less self-destructive genes or perhaps some form of eugenics. If it's cultural we may need to abandon a great deal of our civilisation. Possibly just about everything from the Enlightenment onwards. Possibly even everything from the Reformation onwards. Seriously. We're talking about survival.

The drastic steps that would be needed to bring about such as cultural reset could only follow a disaster of epic proportions - something on the scale of the world wars.

As an Australian I'm starting to think Australia would be better off as part of a Chinese empire. Being part of the US empire has led us to disaster. Cutting off the flow of cultural filth from the US would be a good start.

Blogger dfordoom November 01, 2016 9:03 PM  

@24. Nate

It isn't just immigration Vox. There is more to it than that. Great Empires fall because of a well established cycle by which their people are changed from rugged adventurous explorers and risk takers... into navel gazing lazy slobs.

Agreed. The problem is not immigration as such. The problem is that you now have a society that is too dumb to see the dangers of policies like mass immigration, or so self-hating that they welcome their own destruction, or so lazy and selfish that they don't care. You have a society that has rotted from within. Unless you can arrest that rot it's pointless worrying about immigration. You can't survive unless you can find a way to treat the internal illness.

Even without immigration western civilisation is in precipitous decline. If you don't believe me just watch the TV for half an hour, or have a look at Tumblr.

Anonymous Luke November 01, 2016 11:16 PM  

105. dfordoom November 01, 2016 8:52 PM

"As an Australian I'm starting to think Australia would be better off as part of a Chinese empire."

You cannot possibly know very much Chinese history and say this. Were Australia controlled by China (not just Finlandized), the white population would gradually (and eventually completely) be replaced by Han Chinese, in an Oriental "Final Solution" no less effective for being less showy. Look at Tibet for an ongoing example of this.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl November 01, 2016 11:59 PM  

I guess this is a reply to, well, everybody and the original posting.

It's important to remember that "Anglo-Saxon" as term for the American ethnicity wasn't just the English descendants, but incorporated the Scots-Irish, Dutch, and German peoples who lived in America at that time. German was almost considered an official language in the 1780s as so many Germans (Prussians, Silesians, Baltic Germans, and of course, Hessians) had settled in the colonies and early US. Bernard Bailyn has written about this extensively - check out "The Peopling of British North America."

This does not mean the US is a "proposition" nation at all. It's a nation that relied on the concepts of citizenship based on the essentially Germano-British tradition (respect of private property, respect of business, militia traditions).

Also remember the "Black Legend" - Brits and Germans were largely suspicious of Spaniards and Italians, along with the Irish Catholics. They deigned to autocracy and papacy, communalism, and viciousness. So that deluge of the mid-1800s and late-1800s?

Well, the socialists didn't come from nowhere. And now here we are with the third deluge, which is even worse. At least the Irish and Mediterraneans (I'm part Greek myself...) were Western-based. Third-worlders are not...even if supposed Catholics from Latin America. MS-13 doesn't pray to God and Jesus, after all...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 02, 2016 12:18 AM  

DemonicProfessorEl wrote:Well, the socialists didn't come from nowhere.
True. They came from Vienna, Berlin, Danzig, Hannover and Frankfurt.
Don't blame that on the Irish.

Blogger dfordoom November 02, 2016 2:56 AM  

@33. Skeptic

America has done much good in the world

When was that?

Blogger dfordoom November 02, 2016 2:59 AM  

@34. NP

The real enemy is within ie... leftist whites, until that's realized all other measures are doomed to failure.

Globalist SJW whites. Useful idiots of Wall Street are not leftists in my book.

Anonymous Rezny November 02, 2016 3:49 AM  

@104
Well, you do have Hillary. Such a Gorbie should suffice.
And this Syria clusterfuck.
For now your image of invulnerability is dangerously close to be tested on something more robust than a herd of goatfuckers on Toyotas older than my father.

You're actually set for a major bifurcation point scheduled on Nov 8. I've already prepared the salo to witness it in comfort.

Blogger dfordoom November 02, 2016 4:13 AM  

@112. Rezny

Well, you do have Hillary. Such a Gorbie should suffice.

Luckily, since I'm not an American, Hillary ain't my problem. Although of course if she does start WW3 America's vassals could be reduced to radioactive glass as well so it could then be Australia's problem. And Australia's political leaders are certainly dumb enough and craven enough to get us involved.

Is Hillary incompetent enough and dumb enough to be America's Gorbachev? It's a possibility. What could be worse than a Gorbachev? A female Gorbachev.

Anonymous Discard November 02, 2016 4:30 AM  

104. dfordoom: The US has already lost a disastrous war, with our own government. We are an occupied nation, already a despised minority in many parts of the country. The government is losing legitimacy in the eyes of an increasing number of White people. Trump is encouraging that with talk of Crooked Hilary and electoral fraud. The divisions are irreparable.

Besides, is not Hilary a clown to match Gorbo?

Anonymous Rezny November 02, 2016 5:13 AM  

@113
ANZUS is still in effect, as far as I know. That makes both AUS and NZ legitimate targets in case USA goes to war with anyone.
If Soviet plan "Seven Days to Rhine" in 1979 included nuking capital of neutral Austria so that Hungarians could secure Northern Italy unopposed, or even using small-scale nukes to burn cities and towns of no military importance but high cultural value to break enemy morale, you can guess where Mad Max will get real in case Hillary pushes the button.

Not that I'm happy with Kakadu Park burning because uranium mines before my fams visit it, but oh we'll have to take into account the MAD possibility of a mad sociopath getting her crooked hands on that recharge button.

Anonymous Pennywise November 02, 2016 11:43 AM  

“A defeated, occupied nation. Exactly. The only thing to do is to throw out the occupiers and the quislings.”


Well, Discard, those occupiers would include you. Best pack your bags. Unless, of course, you are able to directly trace your ancestors through BOTH lines to Anglo-Saxons, who have the only legitimacy as founders/citizens of the United States.

The statements regarding the "rot of immigration" are mere opinion, and an outlier to boot. What the Founders ensured was that future generations determined the course of America, with society evolving and changing when newcomers arrive. To what extent those newcomers have “diluted the purity of true Americanism” is an exercise intellectual masturbation.

Blogger American Spartan November 02, 2016 11:54 AM  

Noah B wrote:@24 That's the eye of the storm. It's natural that we want to make a better life for our children, and the common temptation is to do things that end up making them soft, weak, and foolish. From one generation to the next the effects can be cumulative, with occasional reversals of the process caused by wars, depressions, and famines. Even in war, it's only the survivors who become hardened - the men who die in war often leave children to be raised in fatherless homes. (Some have tied the rise of progressivism in the US to the large number of children who grew up without fathers in the Civil War.)

The only cure is hardship.


Any link on the progressive tied to fatherless men thing?

Blogger Esmar Tuek November 02, 2016 1:11 PM  

Vox, have you ever had a chat with Curt Doolittle? Can't find it via search. I think he'd disagree with the aristocracy always being venal. I'd love to hear you bounce ideas off each other...

Anonymous Discard November 02, 2016 3:24 PM  

116. Pennywise: You are an ignoramus, unaware of basic facts. Not all those in the the 13 colonies were Anglo-Saxon. Substantial numbers of Dutchmen, Scots, Germans, Irish and Africans were here too, as well as the French and Spaniards who came with the territory between the Appalachians and the Mississippi River. Now go back to the classroom and spew, quisling.

Anonymous Pennywise November 02, 2016 5:46 PM  

"Substantial numbers of Dutchmen, Scots, Germans, Irish and Africans were here too, as well as the French and Spaniards who came with the territory between the Appalachians and the Mississippi River."

You missed VD's point. These groups of people are not true Americans. Only those with Anglo-Saxon blood are able to have that title. The Germans and the Irish of the 1700's, along with their brethren of the 1850's, they debased the national culture.

Are you able to trace your English lineage on your mother's AND father's side directly to the Thirteen Colonies in the 1600 or 1700's?

Blogger dfordoom November 02, 2016 7:30 PM  

@115. Rezny

ANZUS is still in effect, as far as I know. That makes both AUS and NZ legitimate targets in case USA goes to war with anyone.

Yep. Australia's alliance with the US was always a mistake. We should have chosen neutrality.

And we should have developed our own nuclear deterrent. Back in the 60s we certainly had the expertise to do so. We were designing missile systems back then (such as the Ikara). We used to be an industrialised nation, but that was a long time ago.

We also should never have become involved in the Second World War. We had no quarrel with Germany, or Japan (Japan had been a faithful ally in the First World War). Had the US not forced Britain to abrogate the Anglo-Japanese alliance back in the 20s neither Britain nor Australia would have had any reason to get mixed up in a war against Japan.

Anonymous Discard November 03, 2016 5:26 AM  

120. Pennywise: The Scots-Irish are not true Americans? The Pennsylvania Dutch (Germans)? The descendants of New Amsterdam? Don't try to hide behind VD. If he wants to argue the point, let him weigh in. My dispute is with you.

Contra your 3rd paragraph at #116, the "rot of immigration" is not mere opinion. There's plenty of data available for those who have not had the misfortune of seeing it firsthand. Even those who who deny it act as if it is true.
The Founders ensured nothing. As was said at the time, "...a republic, if you can keep it." Well, it's lost, and unassimilable foreigners have had a lot to do with it. It's not societal evolution when a rogue government imports tens of millions of 3rd Worlders and tells us to adapt to them, or else.

Anonymous Pennywise November 03, 2016 10:21 AM  

"The Scots-Irish are not true Americans?"

Correct.

"The Pennsylvania Dutch (Germans)? The descendants of New Amsterdam?"

Correct.

"Don't try to hide behind VD. If he wants to argue the point, let him weigh in. My dispute is with you."

No, your dispute is with what he says, you are directing your anger at me rather than taking it up with him.

"Contra your 3rd paragraph at #116, the "rot of immigration" is not mere opinion."

Were not the Scotch-Irish, the Germans, and the Dutch immigrants? How did they not contribute to this "rot"? What makes these groups who came here in the 1600 and 1700's different than their counterparts of the 1800's?

"There's plenty of data available for those who have not had the misfortune of seeing it firsthand. Even those who who deny it act as if it is true."

Data can be construed how you want it to be.

"Well, it's lost, and unassimilable foreigners have had a lot to do with it. It's not societal evolution when a rogue government imports tens of millions of 3rd Worlders and tells us to adapt to them, or else."

Those 3rd Worlders include the non-English, e.g. Scotch-Irish, Germans, Dutch. They decidedly contributed to this "rot". Take it up with the blog host, not me.

Anonymous Discard November 03, 2016 2:31 PM  

I'm apparently feeding a troll. My error.

Now go eat your shit.

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