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Saturday, November 12, 2016

"The Alt-Right Hails its God-Emperor"

Like the rest of the mainstream media, Andrew Marantz of the New Yorker is trying to figure out what on Earth is going on in the aftermath of the God-Emperor's ascension:
The alt-right is united less by ideology than by sensibility; a hallmark of that sensibility is a careful attunement to social norms, and a perverse delight in desecrating them. This is easy to do on the Internet, where anyone can say anything. Mike Cernovich, whom I profiled last month, became a prominent vessel of pro-Trump populism by saying unconscionable things on Twitter. “This election was a contest between P.C. culture and free-speech culture,” he told me the day after Trump’s victory. “Most people know what it’s like for some smug, élite asshole to tell them, ‘You can’t say that, it’s racist, it’s bad.’ Well, a vote for Trump meant, ‘Fuck you, you don’t get to tell me what to say.’ ” Cernovich, who grew up working-class in rural Illinois, visited his home town in February. He said, “My parents voted for Obama, but they told me, ‘If it’s Trump versus Hillary, we’ll go with him. He gets us. He talks like us.’ Since then, I never doubted that he’d be President.”

The morning after the election, an influential alt-right blogger who goes by Vox Day wrote, “Donald Trump has a lot to do . . . It is the Alt-Right’s job to move the Overton Window and give him conceptual room to work.” Day and his peers have been doing this job for months. They have flooded the Internet with offensive images and words—cartoon frogs emblazoned with swastikas, theories of racial hierarchy—and then ridiculed anyone who had the temerity to be offended. “Racism and sexism are a) human beliefs, and, b) as legitimately held as any other belief,” Day told me in a recent e-mail. No picture is shocking. No idea is bad. Who gets to define bad, anyway? “Remember that rhetoric is the art of emotional manipulation,” Day added. Last week, on his blog, Day wrote, “There is no more Republican vs. Democrat. It is now whites vs. non-whites and white quislings.”
It's rather amusing to see a political reporter utilizing rhetoric - and less crudely and ineptly than the average journalist - in order to denounce the use of rhetoric in a political campaign. (It's even funnier to see a presumably secular left-liberal affecting horror over postmodern relativist norms.) You'll notice that because he didn't get anything sufficiently strong enough to provoke the desired emotional reaction from his exchange of emails with me, he had to resort to digging up something from Twitter that would serve his rhetorical purpose.

That's legitimate, of course. I'm certainly not complaining about it, and indeed, I only spoke to him because Mike and I both observed that he gave Mike a reasonably fair shake in the bio-piece he'd written about Mike. And what a fantastic title; it's truly better than I would ever have imagined. But then, consider what he chose to use from what I gave him, and then think about how he chose to present it. It should be illuminating for those of you who have read SJWAL. As I did not ask for permission to quote his emails, you'll have to make do with my end of the exchange.

EMAIL ONE

The Alt-Right has a not-insignificant element with #GamerGate experience. While there were more left-wingers in #GamerGate than right-wingers, we all learned how to rapidly blunt the effect of even mass media attacks by dozens of journalists operating in collusion. So, once we saw the mainstream media utilizing the same tactics to attempt to disqualify and discredit Donald Trump that we had seen used against us, we knew that our conceptual shock tactics would be effective against them too. I would say most of the memelords set to work after Super Tuesday, when it became apparent that Trump could win, not only the Republican primary, but the election.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I would say that we knew people were responding positively to concepts previously ruled out of bounds by the mainstream media by March 2016.

I don't think the election was about expression at all. I think it represented a significant portion of the white majority shifting from the ideology politics it has historically practiced to the identity politics that the various minorities have been practicing for decades. That's why policies and ideologies, from abortion to expression to war with Russia, all proved largely irrelevant to both sides.

The next move is to defeat the counterproductive attempt by the cuckservatives and moderates to ease up on the rhetoric. But really, we don't have to do anything, since the angry, riotous reaction by disappointed Hillary supporters will see to that.

EMAIL TWO

1. Chiefly, agreeing with and amplifying their accusations while demonstrating their collusion, ineffectiveness, and dishonesty.

2. When readers stopped responding emotionally to the accusations.

3. They rendered the various accusations toothless.

4. I doubt they'll need to change much. What worked with the game journos worked even better with the mainstream media. The media seldom does anything beyond double down, again and again. We openly mock that. I mean, look at how they're still all screaming RACIST SEXIST blah blah blah. It's like the Robin Williams sketch. "Stop! Or I shall say 'stop' again!"

At this point, who doesn't know that everyone at the NYT, the WaPo, and ABCNNBCBS believes Trump is an evil racist sexist Nazi badthinker? But if they change their tactics, we'll adjust.

5. I'm not a memelord. While I've been known to meme from time to time, I'm not that dank. I would say "organic harmony" is a more accurate description than "open collaboration". We don't do organization or hierarchy. No one is in charge. If someone lands on something that works, or that everyone thinks is funny, others pick it up.

EMAIL THREE

Racism and sexism are a) human beliefs, and, b) as legitimately held as any other belief. Regardless of whether they are wrong or not, regardless of whether they are justified or not, it is no one else's business what you happen to believe. Given that the definitions of both racism and sexism are in constant flux, that isn't a question that can be meaningfully answered.

I believe racism is the belief in the intrinsic inferiority of other races. Perhaps your definition is more expansive, more relative, or more nebulous. Hence the difficulty in saying what "actual racism" or "actual sexism" looks like.

But regardless of how you or I would define the terms, no word, image, or meme can be racist or sexist in itself, because an inanimate symbol is not a belief, and furthermore, is an unreliable indicator of any individual's actual belief, including the original creator's.

For example, I am an American Indian, but I can certainly create a funny anti-Indian meme about redskins if it happens to suit my purpose. To insist that because X has created, let alone posted, meme Y, you can accurately ascertain X's genuine beliefs, is to commit a basic category error. Remember that rhetoric is the art of emotional manipulation, and that nothing manipulates the emotions of the US left like racist themes.

What Marantz presented was a fair, but very limited snapshot of an intrinsically complicated subject. And he presented it in a rhetorical manner meant to emotionally manipulate the reader towards disapproval of Trump supporters, the Alt-Right, Chuck Johnson, Mike Cernovich, and me. That's fine, that's in line with his publication's objectives and his responsibilities, and neither Mike nor I was unaware of it. He certainly appears to have remembered the second half of my last sentence, the half he did not quote.

Anyhow, I suspect it will be useful for some of you to see how the media process plays out when seen from the other side of the story.

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121 Comments:

Blogger Lovekraft November 12, 2016 2:17 PM  

VD, do you get a commission when they use your name?

This line stood out as I gleaned the article: "They [the alt-right] have flooded the Internet with offensive images and words."

Flooded. Offensive.

Biblical imagery? Do these morons in the old media have such a messianic holier-than-thou attitude or what?

Blogger pyrrhus November 12, 2016 2:23 PM  

BTW, Hillary did NOT win the popular vote, since military and absentee ballots are usually not counted in States that are decided early. See, e.g.http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/hillary_wins_the_popular_vote__not_.html

Blogger tublecane November 12, 2016 2:23 PM  

Desecrating norms? Who writes this crap? Do they ever think about the words they choose, or bother cracking a dictionary? Or are their brains on autopilot?

Anonymous Fisher November 12, 2016 2:34 PM  

"Some on the alt-right are [...] committed neo-monarchists who refer to Donald Trump, buoyantly, as their “god-emperor”

I lold.

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 12, 2016 2:38 PM  

"Well, a vote for Trump meant, ‘Fuck you, you don’t get to tell me what to say.’ ”

True enough. But the real battle (or not the battle, really, the war) will not be over what to say, but rather, what to actually do. Lenin didn't write "What Is To Be Said?" he wrote What Is To Be Done.

Still, MC makes an important point, the same one that Orwell was making when he observed that you can't do something until you can say it, and you can't say it until you can think it. So, to put it in kek-speak, creating "safe spaces" for raaaaaciss badthink is an important first conceptual step. Hey, whaddaya know, the opposite of newspeak is kekspeak. You find something new out every day.

Blogger Hen November 12, 2016 2:39 PM  

I think they deliberately overstate in order to provoke an argument. They also are determined to persuade their like minded readers that "things" are worse than they truly are -- to make a more black and white argument. Phony thru and thru.

Blogger Hen November 12, 2016 2:40 PM  

That was for #3. I'm trying to figure out how this comment quote feature works. Had that one wrong.

Blogger Tom K. November 12, 2016 2:40 PM  

It's amusing how quickly the cheerleaders of postmodernist relativism wish to scurry back to the last point where their morality was the norm and and attempt to shield themselves from the consequences of the still shifting relativism of morals.

In the end, strength - violence - force - determine what "truths" a society will live by. If it chooses the wrong ones (falsehoods), it's collapse is inevitable.

Anonymous Anonymous November 12, 2016 2:44 PM  

As an American expat living in Poland, I am relieved...

Anonymous Mark Auld November 12, 2016 2:45 PM  

I've given up talking about the election with sjw types, there's no arguing with irrational thinking.

Blogger Jon M November 12, 2016 2:45 PM  

It's also a useful reminder of why those of us who don't have the training or experience shouldn't talk to the media. I'm just not tall enough for that ride. That's a pretty fine line to walk.

Blogger tublecane November 12, 2016 2:49 PM  

@4-There are neo-monarchists (is that even a term? Can't we just call them monarchists?) on the alt-right, but I guess they'd be less likely to use the term "God Emperor."

Blogger tublecane November 12, 2016 2:54 PM  

@6-Overstating is one thing, but he's not picking the right words.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 12, 2016 3:00 PM  

Them New Yorker journalists sure do love their "Saint Of Color abused by Angry White Man" stories. I'd say they have a cartoon world view, but that's unfair to cartoons, most of which are more nuanced than lefty propaganda. And a duck and a rabbit arguing about the hunting season is no less realistic than the stories you see in the New Yorker, plus a whole lot funnier.

Blogger James Dixon November 12, 2016 3:07 PM  

> I've given up talking about the election with sjw types, there's no arguing with irrational thinking.

Don't argue. Just tell them we won and elections have consequences. If you really want to be cruel, then hide their Xanax.

Blogger ace November 12, 2016 3:14 PM  

They seem to be honing in on what the alt-right actually is, though. Before they were just sputtering about Pepes and Breitbart.

Anonymous Fisher November 12, 2016 3:16 PM  

#11: tublecane wrote:There are neo-monarchists (is that even a term? Can't we just call them monarchists?) on the alt-right, but I guess they'd be less likely to use the term "God Emperor."

"God Emperor" is the synthesis of irony and hyperbole. That, and it scares the shit out of everyone it needs to (which is funny in itself).

As far as "Monarchists" (neo or otherwise) extant in the Alt-Right... I think they might mistake the now-budding Merit-Aristo-Fasho-Nationalism as something intrinsically Monarchic. The mind, I suppose, wishes to organize and influence a novel thing for which gravitas is its most salient characteristic; to make sense of it. I.e. the Alt-Right, in that it is the future of the Right, has yet to solidify the practical political/structural considerations of eventual, inevitable power.

*farts*

Blogger Johnny November 12, 2016 3:19 PM  

Jon M wrote:It's also a useful reminder of why those of us who don't have the training or experience shouldn't talk to the media. I'm just not tall enough for that ride. That's a pretty fine line to walk.

What has to be remembered is that when talking to the media you are talking to an enemy. However friendly the conversation may seem to be, it is not.

Blogger The Other Robot November 12, 2016 3:21 PM  

@18. Correct. They always lie, they always project and they always double down.

Blogger Lovekraft November 12, 2016 3:28 PM  

@18: or consider it an opportunity to influence and convert the observer.

Blogger pyrrhus November 12, 2016 3:29 PM  

In fact, racism is innate...As many studies show, babies are the most "racist" people around, which just means that they identify with those who are like them...The evolutionary reason is that humans, hunter/gatherers, are territorial, and when the "other" shows up in their territory and isn't driven off, their band will likely be driven out, maybe killed immediately except for nubile women, and replaced by the Other. This is the rule of history, not an exception. Hence Van Creveldt's truism that mass migration equals war.

Blogger Bard November 12, 2016 3:37 PM  

My white privilege is the heat lamp that melts rainbow snowflakes. How will you treat us Fred? You don't make, market, sell, provide anything we desire. You and yours are a drain on our resources, time, and society. You are in the process of brutal self destruction and we are mocking you. By all means, please fail harder.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob November 12, 2016 3:38 PM  

And now Tiny Dick calls h**self Fred Sheldon.

Anonymous #8601 November 12, 2016 3:40 PM  

No alt-right dissident may have been jailed for thought crimes, but they have certainly been fired and attacked by violent mobs.

Blogger VD November 12, 2016 3:42 PM  

Ignore the troll. He's been dealt with.

Blogger Johnny November 12, 2016 3:44 PM  

@20: Think of it as being in a courtroom. You are the defendant, and when speaking to the press the other party to the conversation is the prosecuting attorney. A verbally skilled person or somebody with a very good case may win out, but the victory will at best be with the jury, not the prosecuting attorney. But most people don't win out and there is no shame in it because the argument is against somebody who argues for a living, and if anything the venu favors the other side.

Blogger Jourdan November 12, 2016 3:51 PM  

“There is no more Republican vs. Democrat. It is now whites vs. non-whites and white quislings.”

Fantastic quote. When the day of the rope comes, the New Yorkers in question can't say they weren't warned.

It says a lot that that quote is controversial to them, while Podesta's "Ensure demography is destiny" strikes them as ordinary.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 12, 2016 3:53 PM  

@25
No, I don't agree. Think of talking with a Journo-list as talking to the cops. Everything you say can and will be taken down in evidence to be used against you. The whole time the person you are talking to will be trying to fit you into a frame of some kind - cops want to see if you fit the "criminal" frame, journo-lists have their own agenda.

Journo-lists are not our friends, they are universally ignorant and stupid SJW's. If you must talk to them, channel Trump: use 4th grade level vocabulary, repeat key points ad nauseum, refuse to go down any verbal back alleys.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 12, 2016 4:01 PM  

Fred Sheldon wrote: Trump is NOT OUR PRESIDENT

I usually don't touch the poop, but I will make an exception for you because kek. You are literally correct on this point: Trump is our President-Elect.

You white people shown that will not give up your privleges.

Our privileges are genetic. We can't give them up without going extinct, which is what we know you really want.

Hey, when are you going to give up those institutional privileges that the effing stupid Boomers gave you?

Very well. We will remember and treat you how you have treated us.

I doubt that. We treated you with kindness and generosity, far better than you deserved, and it's clear that you're completely ungrateful.

Demographic change will happen and there is NOTHING you can do about it

Demographic change will happen, and there is nothing that YOU can do about it, because your mudskin slampiece would rather murder your babies than birth them.

Heh. Heh. Heh.

Blogger RobertT November 12, 2016 4:04 PM  

"We don't do organization or hierarchy. No one is in charge." Good words. This is a movement, not a committee.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore November 12, 2016 4:08 PM  

You folks in the Alt-Right have an expression, "based". Is this expression applicable to Chris Matthews in this brief moment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXxGPDBRUzs

Anonymous Kevin Hilton November 12, 2016 4:10 PM  

two words:

demographic change.

Gnash your teeth, close the borders, but in the end the west will be transformed by People of Color

Anonymous Mark Auld November 12, 2016 4:10 PM  

Oh the horror, the horror.

Blogger M Cephas November 12, 2016 4:10 PM  

I still think minorities deal in ideology politics as opposed to identity. Only when ideology matches with identity, do they support identity politics.

I wouldn't expect those who came out strong for Clinton, would do so with Ann Coulter, because of identity. The left only cares about identity when it matches with their ideology.

Anonymous Lit Dog November 12, 2016 4:10 PM  

These MSM hacks are going crazy trying to figure out the Voxes who’ve snuck up on their blind side. Their bewilderment is pure entertainment.

If you haven’t been to the supermarket lately, here’s a gem. National Enquirer’s cover story asserts that Hillary’s going to jail. The banner above the title mentions treason, influence, peddling, and bribery. Granting NE some slack for a slang use of the term treason, the banner is more or less indisputable—even if the much deserved imprisonment is less than probable.

Below the title, bullet points include a sex abuse coverup, a gay affair, and “Caught Destroying Obama’s legacy!”

First off, Obama’s legacy is unbridled black racism, subversion through immigration, war mongering, cronyism, and a fraudulent health care plan that’s been on suicide watch for over a year. (Since mental health coverage is mandatory, ordinary Americans, of course, pick up the tab for the suicide watch.)

But if Hillary did destroy such a legacy, that might very well be the first noble act of her life.

Unfortunately, the word NE needs is “concealing,” not “destroying,” and the corresponding goal of the Trump administration should be to expose the Obama legacy for its inherent anti-White, anti-American policies.

Blogger Robert Divinity November 12, 2016 4:18 PM  

Interesting insight into the culling required for them to produce propaganda. Thanks for sharing.

unconscionable things on Twitter

"Unconscionable." Heh.

We. Don't. Care.

Anonymous MIG November 12, 2016 4:47 PM  

Re: "ridiculed anyone who had the temerity to be offended"

"Temerity" and "be offended" to not belong to the same sentence or the same conceptual map. You can have the temerity to do something, temerity to act, but not the temerity to feel something. It's a nonsensical word to qualify a feeling.

Anonymous #8601 November 12, 2016 4:49 PM  

Now that I think about it, there was a case in Canada involving a dude named Gregory Alan Elliott who was indeed arrested for thought crimes.

Also, our boy Roosh V. was banned from entire countries.

BTW, Roosh was probably more confident than anyone regarding a Trump victory, so kudos to him.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 12, 2016 4:51 PM  

VD wrote:Ignore the troll. He's been dealt with.

Oops.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 12, 2016 4:57 PM  

Kevin Hilton wrote:Gnash your teeth, close the borders, but in the end the west will be transformed by People of Color

Well duh. White is a color, so you are literally correct.

Anonymous MIG November 12, 2016 4:57 PM  

@3 That's right, you cannot "desecrate social norms," it's absurd. You can only desecrate the sacred, i.e. values, ideals, religious dogmas, and other "sacred cows." But norms are not sacred by definition.

Anonymous dagwood November 12, 2016 5:08 PM  

"you cannot "desecrate social norms," it's absurd."

Well you're right in the abstract, of course; but you're not looking at the way people like this use language. It is not used to convey information, it is used to convey their power. The writer refers to social norms, by which of course he means what HE believes to be social norms, and then he, through a linguistic backdoor, sacralizes his own set of beliefs (the hell with whatever YOU think is a social norm), and then gets the vapors when his precious norms are desecrated. Because what HE thinks is sacred is what's sacred, doesn't matter what you think.

It's the old joke that the task of the Lugenpresse is "speaking Power to Truth."

Anonymous dagwood November 12, 2016 5:12 PM  

To a$$holes like this, "Piss Christ" or a naked statue of Trump with a tiny wee-wee is a bold act of stunning provocation against tyrannical power structures. But a naked statue of a psychopathic power-hungry criminal, or a cartoon frog with a swastika, these are unacceptable manifestations of irrational hate and rage, hideous desecreations which must be muted and hidden away.

You see how this works?

Blogger bornagainpenguin November 12, 2016 5:30 PM  

Kevin Hilton wrote:two words:

demographic change.

Gnash your teeth, close the borders, but in the end the west will be transformed by People of Color


yawn

Is that all that you've got? Look bub, you're supposed to use the talking points and call us all a bunch of "Sexist, Intolerant, Xenophobic, Homophobic, Racist, and Bigoted" (SIXHRB) but you're not supposed to actually believe it yourself! That causes you to get lazy, like this post and get caught by surprise when reality doesn't match your expectations.

Just stick to the talking points instead of trying to go off script. No one is paying you to get creative here. You get paid the same no matter whether you put any effort into it or not---at least until the checks start to bounce.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative November 12, 2016 5:34 PM  

@40

RE: 'desecrate social norms'

Social norms can be sacred if your totalitarian political ideology is your religion. Which explains SJWs and New Yorker writers.

Blogger SteelPalm November 12, 2016 5:35 PM  

What a delightfully hilarious story he wrote.

My heart truly breaks for poor old black Larry and the awful experience he suffered of a white man calmly explaining why he voted for Trump and dislikes the Clintons. The horror!

Blogger Anthony Gillis November 12, 2016 5:40 PM  

the opposite of newspeak is kekspeak

Like vinegar to cut through their oil.

Blogger bob kek mando ( I are Spartacus ... and you can too! C'mon, give it a try, these crosses are way more comfy than they look ) November 12, 2016 5:50 PM  

30. Al From Bay Shore November 12, 2016 4:08 PM
You folks in the Alt-Right have an expression, "based". Is this expression applicable to Chris Matthews in this brief moment?



in THAT specific brief moment, yes, he is being 'based'.

but all that means is that he's actually telling the truth. which is no more than what Michael Moore did.

the question is not, "Is Chris telling the truth??"

the proper question is, "WHY is Chris telling the truth NOW?" ... 'now' being in the late evening when it was already clear that Hillary was getting her shit pushed in on election night.

because, remember, he's demonstrated a willingness to lie extensively for the Demoncrat party for over a decade now.

i could give you an answer to that second question. but i'd rather see you hazard a guess for yourself.



31. Kevin Hilton November 12, 2016 4:10 PM
Gnash your teeth, close the borders, but in the end the west will be transformed by People of Color



love the naked racism, bro.

White Men went to the moon and there wasn't a single Nigger to be seen.

the first Nigger president shut down space launches from Canaveral.

so White Men started up several *private* companies to go to space ... and are doing THAT successfully ... in SPITE OF Nigger president.

this is what People of Color 'success' looks like.

Anonymous A Tribute to the Dark Lord By A Midwit November 12, 2016 5:54 PM  

They say that when you scratch a Trump supporter you'll quickly find a racist under the surface.

But when you scratch Vox Day, and look beyond his shocking rhetoric, you will find a bedrock of reason. You may have to wait patiently to get there, until he gets interested enough to post about it in depth, or some gamma jumps in to comment causing Vox to elucidate why he missed the point (thereby explaining what the point actually was to the midwits among us.).

Once articulated, you may still disagree. If so, and you have the intellect to discern how and why you disagree, and you have the necessary intellectual courage, you can challenge him and expect, at the very least, for your ideas to be challenged and sharpened, if not completely demolished.

And despite his notable and strident indifference to a great many things, hang around the Dark Lord long enough and you will grow to respect him as a man worth imitating in many respects. His fearlessness, ruthless honesty, open mind, fierce loyalty, passion, intelligence, empathy, wisdom and love for Jesus Christ are the qualities I admire most and try to integrate into my own character. This among other reasons is why Vox Day has had the most profound intellectual influence on my life.

Which is why I find this 'journalist''s gross manipulation of his ideas to be so repulsive.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 12, 2016 6:03 PM  

It is amazing how incredibly ignorant US college students are. Never mind the tears and wails, one of their fears is Trump will get us into a war, and the other is "losing health care". Really, the fact that Obamacare is insolvent and dying just doesn't penetrate the mush filled skulls, and since none of them have an attention span of a fly they don't know who has been pushing for Ukraine in NATO and no-fly over Syria, plus "boots on the ground" in Syria.

They don't know anything. All you have to do is sit near a gaggle of them and listen.

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents November 12, 2016 6:05 PM  

They say that when you scratch a Trump supporter you'll quickly find a racist under the surface.

Heh. Scratch hard enough to draw blood and see what you find.

Blogger James Dixon November 12, 2016 6:09 PM  

> You may have to wait patiently to get there, until he gets interested enough to post about it in depth,

When Vox writes something, its meaning is usually quite clear. The fact that it is sometimes stated in provocative terms that can easily lead the less astute astray is a feature, not a bug.

Anonymous John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project November 12, 2016 6:11 PM  

Trantor. Shit.

I'm still only on Trantor.

Every minute I spend here on twitter, I get weaker. Every minute Vox squats memes in the catacombs of Venice, he gets stronger.

I wanted an advance. And for my sins, they gave me one. Dropped it on my lawn like Bernanke's helicopter. It was a doozie, and when I'd blown through it, I'd sure as hell hurt for another.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 12, 2016 6:12 PM  

Let's see, we "have flooded the Internet with offensive images and words."

But those are just images, just words. The interpretation of them is up to the beholder. If the reader interprets something to be racist, then that means she has racist ideas in her head, and therefore she is the racist. If the hearer thinks that something is misogynist, then that means xe has misogynist ideas in xer head, and therefore xe is misogynist.

And as for me, racist and misogynist are empty, meaningless words. This is a fun way to torment leftist enemies.

Anonymous old man in a villa November 12, 2016 6:14 PM  

"...a hallmark of that sensibility is a careful attunement to social norms, and a perverse delight in desecrating them."

Is that inordinately funny to anyone else? Who is he talking about?

I laughed long and hard at that one.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 12, 2016 6:38 PM  

@23 #8601
No alt-right dissident may have been jailed for thought crimes, but they have certainly been fired and attacked by violent
---

also censored by social media and msm

Blogger Were-Puppy November 12, 2016 6:45 PM  

History should refer to this election as The Schlonging of the Dumbasses

Blogger Al From Bay Shore November 12, 2016 6:46 PM  

@47 I appreciate ya'. For the record, I still think Matthews to be a bitch ass nigga... in the way described by Onyx.

Anonymous Axe Head November 12, 2016 6:48 PM  

You all will be happy to know:

Louise Mensch is FIRED.

Heat Street is SHUT DOWN.

https://twitter.com/TheMurdochTimes/status/797542478962298881

Blogger Wanderer November 12, 2016 6:51 PM  

#8601 wrote:No alt-right dissident may have been jailed for thought crimes,

http://infogalactic.com/info/R_v_Elliott

There is a man from Toronto who was jailed for months, lost his home, lost his job, had his life permanently destroyed, and was banned from owning a device with internet connection, all because he disagreed with a woman about feminism on twitter. He didn't even use cuss words or Pepe memes threatening to throw her into gas chamber or whatever. He literally just disagreed with a woman on twitter. According to Canadian law, disagreeing with a woman is hate speech if she makes the claim that she felt threatened.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 12, 2016 6:54 PM  

@23..

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula who made the movie "Innocence of Muslims" was blamed for Benghazi, then jailed on some immigration technicality.

The IRS investigated the Affirmative Action Pustule's enemies, and made their lives miserable on tax technicalities.

The left successfully goes after those they say commit thought-crimes all the time, while using pretenses to justify their actions.

Anonymous George of the Jungle November 12, 2016 7:01 PM  

@58 Axe Head...

Louise Mensch getting fired for losing millions... so delicious.

The tears, the wailing, the gnashing of teeth...

Bwhahahahahahahahaha...

Blogger Lazarus November 12, 2016 7:07 PM  

Axe Head wrote:Heat Street is SHUT DOWN.

Proved unsuccessful in undermining the Right, I presume. She is still honor bound to read Throne of Bones and do a review.

Time will tell.

Blogger tublecane November 12, 2016 7:12 PM  

@41-It had occurred to me that he really meant it, because as another poster pointed out these people think like totalitarians. But I thought it more likely that he's just lazy and ignorant.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 12, 2016 7:12 PM  

re Axe Head...

I eagerly await the ritual sacking of Rich Lowry at NRO.

Blogger Badger Brigadon November 12, 2016 7:15 PM  

The funniest part is all these leftists taking the term 'God Emperor Trump' totally seriously, instead of realizing that it's an alt-right joke against his enemies. The Orcs (low-intelligence invaders), Eldar (eurofaggots and virtue signallers), and Genestealers (The lying, monstrous Clinton criminal Coalition that only simulates humanity.)

I keep seeing these articles about "He's not really an Emperor even if the right wants him to be". Duh. Yes, we know that, Brad Torgerson. We don't really want someone like the nightmarish 40k Universe.

Blogger GracieLou November 12, 2016 7:24 PM  

The worst Dumbasses are the ones who should know better. My Harvard educated BIL is flubberghasted. I explain media bias, I post the George Carlin video, I suggest he read Jill Stein the gateway drug. I challenge him on his assumptions and prejudices. He once posted a piece on the alt-right by the Huffington Post. Huffington Post. Like trusting a fat advocate to describe the lifestyles of runway models. And that after I schooled him on media.

I so appreciate Vox's explanation of this phenomenon--IQ simply makes it easier to justify one's positions (or delusions). It gave me courage. Especially that time he came to town to bust my Alzheimer's mother out of the nursing home, and tried to justify it with flimsy logic. I said, "The worst case scenario is death, which is unacceptable." And I'll be damned if he didn't double-down repeat that effed up logic for over an hour. I sounded like a robot, "But death, but death, George the risk is death, death, death, death, it's death." Then he lied. But you all know that. Of course he did.

Blogger VD November 12, 2016 7:29 PM  

We don't really want someone like the nightmarish 40k Universe.

It depends upon how bad our nightmare is.

Blogger bob kek mando ( I are Spartacus ... and you can too! C'mon, give it a try, these crosses are way more comfy than they look ) November 12, 2016 7:33 PM  

57. Al From Bay Shore November 12, 2016 6:46 PM
I appreciate ya'. For the record, I still think Matthews to be a bitch ass nigga... in the way described by Onyx.



*brofist*

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 12, 2016 7:34 PM  

Heat Street the site is still up and functioning, fwiw.

I don't await Lowry's firing at NR, I await NR's bankruptcy.
They already should have filed Intellectual Chapter 11 years ago.

Anonymous Tipsy November 12, 2016 7:41 PM  

"Gnash your teeth, close the borders, but in the end the west will be transformed by People of Color"

This is the language of conquest, not coexistence. It reminds me of Khrushchev pounding the table and proclaiming "We will bury you!"

Also, if the West is transformed, will it continue to be the West? It strikes me that the Kevin Hiltons of the world have an irrational eschatological faith that what the West is replaced with will necessarily be better; however, it's pretty evident that it won't be.

Blogger bob kek mando ( I are Spartacus ... and you can too! C'mon, give it a try, these crosses are way more comfy than they look ) November 12, 2016 7:45 PM  

concerning Mensch:
she's taken her twatter account private

more than that though, this article is her "explanation" for why Trump won:
http://heatst.com/world/a-never-trumps-in-depth-guide-to-why-donald-trump-won-the-election/


jesus. Murdoch is pouring MILLIONS into this news/opinion site and THIS is what the lead editor considers a worthwhile article?

if it's not getting shut down, IT SHOULD BE.


so much for the intellectual superiority of White Women, eh?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 12, 2016 7:51 PM  

@71
Don't even try to stop Murdoch when he's in the middle of burning a stack of Benjamins, dude.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 12, 2016 7:54 PM  

From the article:
One of the innumerable ironies of this campaign was that the only credible threats to the free press—“If I become President, oh, do they have problems”—were uttered by Trump himself.

The reporter doesn't seem to realize that the "problems" are that Trump has (and will continue) to IGNORE the Media and take his message directly to the American People. The smarter ones get it and you can see the fear in them now.

You have been out-sourced, MSM!

Blogger bob kek mando ( I are Spartacus ... and you can too! C'mon, give it a try, these crosses are way more comfy than they look ) November 12, 2016 7:57 PM  

72. A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 12, 2016 7:51 PM
Don't even try to stop Murdoch when he's in the middle of burning a stack of Benjamins, dude.



pfffft.

he wants to burn benjamins, he needs to give them to me.

i'd be less embarrassing than Louise.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 12, 2016 7:58 PM  

John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project wrote:Trantor. Shit.

I'm still only on Trantor.

Every minute I spend here on twitter, I get weaker. Every minute Vox squats memes in the catacombs of Venice, he gets stronger.

I wanted an advance. And for my sins, they gave me one. Dropped it on my lawn like Bernanke's helicopter. It was a doozie, and when I'd blown through it, I'd sure as hell hurt for another.


You *know* Scalzi's gonna steal that, right?

Anonymous Just another commenter November 12, 2016 8:08 PM  

Looks like the God-Emperor's enemies have stepped on Scott Foval. His Twitter account has been suspended. Hope he's got a safe house to go to.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 12, 2016 8:17 PM  

@74

i'd be less embarrassing than Louise.


She surely has better tits.

Blogger praetorian November 12, 2016 8:25 PM  

Axe Head wrote:You all will be happy to know:

Louise Mensch is FIRED.

Heat Street is SHUT DOWN.

https://twitter.com/TheMurdochTimes/status/797542478962298881



I'm on vacation, but came here just to laugh with all of you about this.

Her tweets are now protected.

Trump is dealing deep meme magic, folks. Please, Kek, let National Review and/or Weekly Standard declare bankruptcy next.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 12, 2016 8:25 PM  

GracieLou:

That's a great quote...
IQ simply makes it easier to justify one's delusions.

And then I would add...
IQ makes it harder to step outside the prison of one's assumptions.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 12, 2016 8:26 PM  

@ Gracie Lou: Then he lied. But you all know that. Of course he did.

We will not white-knight for you, but I praise you for what sounds like courage and persistence in the face of lies. Well done.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 12, 2016 8:29 PM  

I am waiting on President Trump to go after the media for in kind election dobations performed in willing collusion with the campaign.

The media companies are super PACs and they communicated with Hillary's campaign over and over to coordinate.

I don't know the exact details of the law, but giving those debate questions over creates a lot of liability.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 12, 2016 8:29 PM  

I am waiting on President Trump to go after the media for in kind election dobations performed in willing collusion with the campaign.

The media companies are super PACs and they communicated with Hillary's campaign over and over to coordinate.

I don't know the exact details of the law, but giving those debate questions over creates a lot of liability.

Anonymous Didas Kalos November 12, 2016 8:37 PM  

By him neglecting to print the 2nd half of your sentence/thought, he defined himself as an enemy to freedom and a Liar. So expose his lies and give him no quarter. This is exactly what irritated the average Joe to rise up against this evil masquerading as media.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 12, 2016 8:43 PM  

so much for the intellectual superiority of White Women, eh?

Wow, just wow. How to unpack that?

Okay, first, I'm sure you know that Mensch isn't exactly white in the Native European sense.

But her tribe has a reputation for high verbal IQ. And it is not undeserved.

So I'm actually surprised by so many things. I thought the site was doing well. So confused.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 12, 2016 8:53 PM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:Okay, first, I'm sure you know that Mensch isn't exactly white in the Native European sense.

But her tribe has a reputation for high verbal IQ. And it is not undeserved.


Mensch herself is not Jewish. She is a Shabbos Goy married to a Jew. A JewHag, if you will. She is ethnically Anglo-Saxon/German.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 12, 2016 8:53 PM  

@84
Do you reject all English as white in the Native European sense, or just her?
What is Louise Bagshawe's tribe, exactly?

Blogger VD November 12, 2016 8:53 PM  

Okay, first, I'm sure you know that Mensch isn't exactly white in the Native European sense.

She's British. She's married to a Jew living in New York City.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 12, 2016 9:16 PM  

@ Snidely Whiplash: Mensch herself is not Jewish. She is a Shabbos Goy married to a Jew. A JewHag, if you will. She is ethnically Anglo-Saxon/German.

This is why I should not just trust my memory when I'm on my phone where it's harder to search.

Blogger CM November 12, 2016 9:28 PM  

For example, I am an American Indian, but I can certainly create a funny anti-Indian meme about redskins if it happens to suit my purpose. To insist that because X has created, let alone posted, meme Y, you can accurately ascertain X's genuine beliefs, is to commit a basic category error. Remember that rhetoric is the art of emotional manipulation, and that nothing manipulates the emotions of the US left like racist themes.

This is the best quote out of all of it.

Anonymous dissidentright November 12, 2016 9:39 PM  

can confirm

Blogger CM November 12, 2016 9:44 PM  

bornagainpenguin wrote:

"Sexist, Intolerant, Xenophobic, Homophobic, Racist, and Bigoted" (SIXHRB)


Its our very own acronym! When do we get flags? Inverted rainbow, anyone? SIXHRB Pride! Equal Rights for the SIXHRB Community!

Blogger Badger Brigadon November 12, 2016 10:15 PM  

I wanta flag that is Black, Billious green, carnage red, and choke-out purple.
They had NO RIGHT to steal our fucking rainbow.

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 12, 2016 10:34 PM  

"They had NO RIGHT to steal our fucking rainbow."

...And there is NO PLACE for bigoted rainbow-stealers in this enlightened society of Current Year. NO PLACE! NONE! Besides, they didn't build that rainbow, God did, and they don't even believe in Him. Cultural appropriation! I feel so unsafe!!

People haven't been pounding the whole "there is NO PLACE" counter-artillery so much lately, but they should, it's a good one.

There is NO PLACE for bigots who riot and burn things and attack people just because they don't respect democratic outcomes, only Democratic outcomes.

There is NO PLACE for hate-filled ignorant bigots to denounce and insult their fellow/sister/fellster xherz simply for voting differently.

There is NO PLACE for obscene, violent, racist graffiti vilifying voters because of the color of xhir skin.

De-platform, then defenestrate.


Blogger Feather Blade November 12, 2016 10:39 PM  

@91

Well, it's more pronounceable than LGBTQQIA...

Anonymous octanevitriol November 12, 2016 10:50 PM  

When do they start saying Black Americans were too sexist to vote for Hillary?

Blogger John Wright November 12, 2016 10:55 PM  

The press is the enemy.

Blogger John Wright November 12, 2016 11:02 PM  

Technically, rule by a God-Emperor is theoimperialism. Neo-Monarchy is saying that the messianic computer hacker Mr. Anderson from the Matrix is king.

And rule by horses is known as hippocracy. The Left are familiar with that.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 12, 2016 11:03 PM  

Eh, Louise falls into that small group I call salvageable. Kind of Liberal or Cucky but at heart not wicked people.

Surprisingly Piers Morgan falls into that group simply because he was capable of loyalty and respect for Trump at career risk .

Anonymous Jack Amok November 12, 2016 11:08 PM  

I wouldn't expect those who came out strong for Clinton, would do so with Ann Coulter, because of identity. The left only cares about identity when it matches with their ideology.

You're wrong. Black voters routinely voted about 90% for Dems and 10% GOP for years. Then Obama ran and got 95% of the Black vote.

Half the Blacks with a history of voting conservative voted for the liberal because he was a Black guy.

And every time the GOP had some prominent Black, the Dems would work overtime to declare him an Uncle Tom, to delegitimize his Black identity, so their voters wouldn't go with him.

Guys like Al from Bayshore are damn rare.

Blogger EmpReb November 12, 2016 11:17 PM  

Umm that term is very much a CHAN term boy. Learn your Internets. And yes he was BASED.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 12, 2016 11:31 PM  

She's British. She's married to a Jew living in New York City.

So, it's not so much a question of IQ then, but one of timing. For a brief window in the history of the world, that probably seemed like a good idea.

Anonymous George of the Jungle November 12, 2016 11:43 PM  

@94...
The problem is that the list keeps growing. So to account for future growth, employ algebra...

LGBTXYZ

Takes care of everything automatically.

Blogger Question17 November 12, 2016 11:44 PM  

The alt-right's whining about "People telling me what to SAY!" is indistinguishable from the rantings of Eric Harris, Columbine shooter:

http://www.acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/journal/journal.html


"One big fucking problem Is people telling me what to fuckin do, think, say, act, and everything else. Ill do what you say IF I feel like it. But people (I.E. parents, cops, God, teachers) telling me what to [arrow points to do, think, say, act, and everything else] just makes me not want to fucking do it! thats why my fucking name is REB!!!"

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 12, 2016 11:45 PM  

"But her tribe has a reputation for high verbal IQ. And it is not undeserved."

Eh, bit of a marginal edge, but it's way overstated and way overpromoted. It depends largely on non-IQ elements like obfuscation, high aggression, what K MacDonald often calls "psychological intensity," and, well, plain old lack of good manners in many cases.

WC Fields was a brilliant juggler, but his same dexterity would not have helped him much as a heart surgeon.

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents November 12, 2016 11:49 PM  

@103

We. Don't. Care.

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 12, 2016 11:50 PM  

"LGBTXYZ

Takes care of everything automatically."

Nah, I say make 'em wear it. We can claim, in the interests of full sensitivity, that the true term is LGBTQQHAL9000FIVESIXSEVENEIGHTSCHLEMIELSCHLEMOZLHASSENPFEFFERINCORPORATED

and then roll our eyes and say we feel unsafe if they can't say the whole thing in precise order.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 12, 2016 11:52 PM  

@103 Question your Sanity..

And your rant proves:
1) you're typically boring leftist, who uses category errors and overgeneralizations instead of actual analysis;

2) you're not a real American nor do you deserve to be one, since you have absolutely no concept of Freedom of Speech, its how-what-when-why-where.

You and your tiny little totalitarian mindset, please move to Canada, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Oh and BTW: We.Don't.Care.

Anonymous Down and Out in... November 12, 2016 11:53 PM  

"The alt-right's whining about "People telling me what to SAY!" is indistinguishable from the rantings of Eric Harris"

No it isn't. Kek.

But no (and now I'm being serious, despite your being an intellectually unserious person), no it really isn't.

And even if it were, (which it's not), we don't have to answer to you.

Kek.

Blogger Warren Yurmind November 12, 2016 11:59 PM  

The enemedia are used for intelligence gathering along with propaganda dissemination. They are studying your techniques & network to devise a counterattack. Always confuse, mislead, mock, divert, undermine them. Make their worst fears a reality.

They will soon discover Vox Day commands a massive underground army of faceless minions, rabid with bloodlust, salivating at the trembling fear of his spineless foes; awaiting their Dark Lord's order to seize the collective conscience of the mindless mob, to turn his streets into rivers of treasonous red, and to adorn his palace with the remnants of enemies.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 13, 2016 1:08 AM  

The alt-right's whining about "People telling me what to SAY!" is indistinguishable from the rantings of Eric Harris, Columbine shooter:

So, you realize your enemies are sounding like someone pissed off enough to go on a killing spree, and your strategy is to... piss them off even more?

Huh. Let me know how that works out for you.

Blogger Bosefus November 13, 2016 1:39 AM  

She's a pervert dude...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZR58d77a4A

The dude abides... across the sands of time... but Jesus will fuck you up!

Blogger wreckage November 13, 2016 1:40 AM  

So, not wanting to be controlled is the same as being a mass murderer?

You do realize how utterly batshit insane that is, right? I mean, you're saying that someone wanting to be permitted to be offensive might as well murder a bunch of schoolkids.

No wonder you fuckers turn so violent all the time. You really can't see the difference between disagreeing, and murdering. You need to be medicated.

Blogger bob kek mando ( I are Spartacus ... and you can too! C'mon, give it a try, these crosses are way more comfy than they look ) November 13, 2016 3:56 AM  

77. A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 12, 2016 8:17 PM
She surely has better tits.


not only do i live in my moms basement ...
not only do i weigh 600 pounds ...
not only do i survive on EBT cards, Obamaphones and ACA ...
not only do i have pasty white skin that's brighter than a 100w bulb ...
i'm also sporting a pair of double Ds on my hairy bosom. don't make me take of my Seinfeld 'The Bro'.

and i'm still less embarrassing than Louise.

Blogger bob kek mando ( I are Spartacus ... and you can too! C'mon, give it a try, these crosses are way more comfy than they look ) November 13, 2016 3:58 AM  

111. wreckage November 13, 2016 1:40 AM
You need to be medicated.



no, we need to re-institute dueling. then these stupid fuckers will either get killed for being unfit for polite society OR they'll learn to keep their fucking mouths shut.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 13, 2016 4:02 AM  

OT
Conversatuon with my 20 yo daughter.
Me:Hitler loved the outdoors. He took thosands and thousands of people camping. Concentration camping.
Daughter:It was a gas.

Blogger wreckage November 13, 2016 5:09 AM  

That's heil-arious.

Anonymous dagwood November 13, 2016 5:38 AM  

Sieg-ing is believing.

Blogger VD November 13, 2016 6:10 AM  

The alt-right's whining about "People telling me what to SAY!" is indistinguishable from the rantings of Eric Harris, Columbine shooter

And there are millions of us. Now do the math.

Anonymous Avalanche November 13, 2016 11:16 AM  

A93 "Besides, they didn't build that rainbow, God did, and they don't even believe in Him. Cultural appropriation! I feel so unsafe!!"

shhhh, ssshhhhh, ssshhhh, honey... It'll be okay. Do you want some cocoa and puppies? Here's a nice warm blankie...

Blogger Martin November 16, 2016 3:21 AM  

Andrew Marantz would be one of the Quislings then, right?

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