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Saturday, November 26, 2016

The Awful Mask of the Alt-Right

A moderate reviews SJWAL:
In the most interesting section of the book, he moves from describing the tactics of the fight to advocating a strategy for winning the war. Personally, this is where things get most uncomfortable. While I can easily imagine myself falling foul of my companies HR department, or being hounded for being discovered holding an incorrect opinion – I have several – I struggle to imagine myself trying to get someone else fired in case they try to do the same to me. In fact, there is a section in the book devoted to the importance of keeping people like me on the margins.

Moderates… generally mean well, but they have a tendency to believe that goodwill, hand-holding, and being open minded will inspire even the most lunatic, hate-filled SJW to see sweet reason.

The thrust of the book is that the unvarnished truth is not worth speaking, because in the battle of ideas it will inevitably be defeated by persuasive lies. The only option for people who love the truth is to adopt a new way of speaking – a rhetoric – which crushes the lies that claim to be social justice, and at least allows a path for people to reach the truth, if they care to.

The rhetoric Vox Day advocates is cruel. It laughs at the mentally fragile, hurts by striking at weaknesses that opponents can’t do anything about, and offers little hope to those who want to live today in peace. Perhaps it is necessary for ensuring stability tomorrow. Reading the book is certainly necessary for anyone who wants to understand how our culture has changed.
What I find informative about this review is the resigned tone. I don't think that would have been the case even one year ago. Moderates are finally capitulating, as they are beginning to understand that their paradigms are false, their enemies are relentless, and their jobs, their lifestyles, their families, and even their nations are endangered. They're not ready to join the Alt-Right yet, but their eyes are now open, and it is only a matter of time before they realize that there are absolutely no other options available to them.

I received an email from someone with a similar perspective yesterday, who objected to the way I characterized (((Ben Shapiro)))'s statement about who he wants to have sex with his wife and what color the other gentleman should ideally be. I simply asked him to characterize (((Shapiro)))'s comments to which I was responding:
First he mischaracterizes the definition of cuck by going the sexual fetish route. He then used ineffective rhetoric in the quoted portion by saying if someone in the alt-right was actually cuckolded they wouldn't care so long as the guy cuckolding them was white.

I understand meet rhetoric with rhetoric. What I don't understand in this case is what truth the rhetoric was pointing towards.

What I fail to understand about "every tactic used against us is justified..." are the moral implications as I despise double standards in general. Your WWI mustard gas analogy makes sense but I still wrestle with the concept morally.
Actually, (((Ben))) lied, which was why his rhetoric was ineffective. What is the truth my rhetoric was pointed towards? The truth that (((Ben Shapiro))) is a shameless liar. (((Shapiro))) lied about  the nature of racism, he lied about American history, he lied about the Constitution, he lied about the Declaration of Independence, he lied about Western civilization, he lied about what "cuckold" means, and he lied about the Alt-Right. And he did it all in a single interview. He very nearly managed to tell all those lies in a single paragraph!

You simply cannot trust that filthy little (((creature))) about anything at all. There is absolutely no truth in him. None whatsoever. That alone should suffice to indicate the intrinsically false nature of "America's founding Judeo-Christian values" he has proclaimed.

I understand there are those who struggle with the morality of tactical equivalence, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. We are called to forgive and be merciful, which means that surrender is not inevitable and victory must be a possibility. And, I can't help but notice that few of those moderates who profess moral struggles with rhetoric tend to restrain their own whenever they shoot at extremists on their own side.

If you want to better understand the difference between dialectic and rhetoric, and how to make effective use of them, you can either read Aristotle's Rhetoric or my SJWs Always Lie. SJWAL is easier and has better examples. And it's even got cartoons!

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105 Comments:

Blogger Bard November 26, 2016 1:05 PM  

"We are called to forgive and be merciful, which means that surrender is not inevitable and victory must be a possibility."

Powerful and profound.

Blogger Bard November 26, 2016 1:07 PM  

If you are not in an antifragile occupation, you damn sure better read SJW Always Lie to protect yourself from your HR Dept. Better yet, to black knight and go on the offensive using their own policies against them pro actively. They simply cannot play defense.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 26, 2016 1:12 PM  

Resignation in moderates? I'll take that for now, because it shifts them away from tacitly supporting the SJW's and towards tacitly opposing them. A baby step is still a step.

Next, moderates must develop a real distaste for lying. Since SJW's always lie, that will inculcate in them a distaste for SJW's.
This is why zero tolerance for lying is important.

Anonymous LES November 26, 2016 1:12 PM  

"You simply cannot trust that filthy little (((creature))) about anything at all. There is absolutely no truth in him. None whatsoever." VD

John 8:44

(((You))) belong to your father, the devil. You want to obey your father’s wishes. From the beginning, the devil was a murderer. He has never obeyed the truth. There is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his natural language. He does this because he is a liar. He is the father of lies.

Anonymous JAG November 26, 2016 1:16 PM  

The only option for people who love the truth is to adopt a new way of speaking – a rhetoric – which crushes the lies that claim to be social justice, and at least allows a path for people to reach the truth, if they care to.

The rhetoric Vox Day advocates is cruel. It laughs at the mentally fragile, hurts by striking at weaknesses that opponents can’t do anything about, and offers little hope to those who want to live today in peace. Perhaps it is necessary for ensuring stability tomorrow. Reading the book is certainly necessary for anyone who wants to understand how our culture has changed.


All this person needs to do is spend a couple of months winning debates against shitlibs. It's real easy to do because their is nothing truthful coming from the shitlib. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. It is no challenge to defeat a shitlib in debate.

However, it is a waste of time, because you will never red pill a willing blue pill addict. They will not drink the water you have lead them to. They are blind and stupid by choice, because that is preferable for them than over facing reality.

No, it is best, and more satisfying to go full shitlord on them. If they claim the are "afraid" of literally Hitler Trump, you respond by warning them that they must keep their mouth shut from now on, because they are now on "the list". Feed in to their fantasies and amplify it up to 11.

Blogger Rick November 26, 2016 1:19 PM  

It's been so many decades since I was a lib (the default variety) that I've forgotten most of what I once foolishly believed.
Is Ben actually a liar or does he just believe falsehoods?

Anonymous JAG November 26, 2016 1:21 PM  

Rick wrote:It's been so many decades since I was a lib (the default variety) that I've forgotten most of what I once foolishly believed.

Is Ben actually a liar or does he just believe falsehoods?


He's a professional liar.

Blogger VD November 26, 2016 1:25 PM  

Is Ben actually a liar or does he just believe falsehoods?

He went to law school. As bad as modern education has become, do you really believe he is THAT misinformed about American history, Western history, and the various documents written by the Founders?

Blogger Rick November 26, 2016 1:25 PM  

To lie, one must know the truth. Then conceal it.

Blogger Rick November 26, 2016 1:26 PM  

I'm not sticking up for him. I don't know him.

Anonymous Dave November 26, 2016 1:27 PM  

The rhetoric Vox Day advocates is cruel. It laughs at the mentally fragile, hurts by striking at weaknesses that opponents can’t do anything about, and offers little hope to those who want to live today in peace.

Live in peace. I'm sure Sir Tim Hunt and Brandon Eich would agree.

OpenID frankluke November 26, 2016 1:30 PM  

Rick wrote:It's been so many decades since I was a lib (the default variety) that I've forgotten most of what I once foolishly believed.

Is Ben actually a liar or does he just believe falsehoods?


Vox has mentioned still having the emails of a conversation with Ben from about a decade ago when Ben had his last crisis of conscience. Ben had a choice: take the easy route with prestige and money or speak the hard truth. You may draw your own conclusions about his choice.

Anonymous Kel Knight November 26, 2016 1:30 PM  

It's all about getting the herd moving in the direction you want...

Anonymous Dave November 26, 2016 1:34 PM  

More emails from Robert? I hope he takes a break from emailing you and reads SJWAL immediately as I suggested; he's already stated it's on his to-read list.

Blogger Babydoc November 26, 2016 1:34 PM  

Loved SJWAL, and have passed it to my college-attending kids. I am so tired of coworkers, whether bosses, peers, or subordinates, putting more effort into achieving the highest "feelgoodz" ratings as opposed to focusing on actually relevant performance metrics in patient care. I get that we must provide a demeanor of polite, professional customer service when providing patient care. But lying to patients, either deliberately or through promotion of false science PC nonsense, does nothing but further erode medical credibility with patients when the inevitable, reality-based results occur.

And I am so tired of all the PC females trying to tell me that I am not allowed to raise my male voice when people are not moving fast enough in caring for an intensive care patient, because it was more important to for them to continue discussing the banal plotline of a TV show than making time-critical adjustments to IV fluids and ventilator settings. The whole 'toxic masculinity' stupidity is beyond tiresome.

There is a tolerance limit that will eventually be reached for believing that unicorn-riding leprechauns with endless pots of gold are just about to ride over the rainbow bridge to make all their infantile leftist economic and social justice dreams come true.

(((Ben))) can take his pathetic virtue signalling antipathy against the alt-right and flush it with the rest of his feculent ideology.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey November 26, 2016 1:34 PM  

They're finding out that the era of fence-sitting is coming to an end, and the time for choosing sides is upon us.

Blogger VD November 26, 2016 1:35 PM  

Vox has mentioned still having the emails of a conversation with Ben from about a decade ago when Ben had his last crisis of conscience. Ben had a choice: take the easy route with prestige and money or speak the hard truth. You may draw your own conclusions about his choice.

That's why I'm so disgusted with him. Unlike many, perhaps even most, he sold his intellectual integrity with his eyes wide open.

People have no idea what sort of offers we outsiders have turned down. I've had multiple chances at the poisoned apple. I could have pursued a political career; by now I might be a U.S. Senator. Or I could have pursued a career as a Fox News talking head.

I rejected both paths because I knew what they would cost me. Not my soul, necessarily, but without question, my intellectual integrity.

Anonymous Anonymous November 26, 2016 1:38 PM  

What is it with your obsession with Jews? We all know Ben Shapiro is Jewish. Why do you have to beat us over the head with it at every opportunity?

Blogger Bard November 26, 2016 1:39 PM  

I'm a Jewish teapot
Short and smart
Here is my handle
Here is my spout
When I get all cucked up
I just shout
Bend me over and ream me out

I am a very special Jew
It is true
Here is an example of what I can do
I can turn my rhetoric into a pout
Bend me over and ream me out

[Chorus]

Anonymous Kikey Boy November 26, 2016 1:39 PM  

What is it with your obsession with Jews. We all know that Ben Shapiro is Jewish. Why do you find it necessary to beat everybody over the head with it at every opportunity?

Blogger Rick November 26, 2016 1:41 PM  

Thanks. I appreciate that.
I see the accusation liar used a lot and it's not that I think it may be unfairly applied but actually that it often gives more credit to the "liar" than is due. They may more simply be a dope. Useful idiot. But I understand it's value as a rhetorical weapon.

Anonymous 11/26 November 26, 2016 1:42 PM  

@19

Patterns exist. If you don't like them, I'm sure your local university has a safe space for you to cry in. Otherwise, deal with it and stop whining.

Blogger VD November 26, 2016 1:43 PM  

What is it with your obsession with Jews. We all know that Ben Shapiro is Jewish. Why do you find it necessary to beat everybody over the head with it at every opportunity?

1. I'm not obsessed with Jews. You're projecting your own obsession.
2. Everyone does not know Ben Shapiro is Jewish. Most people don't.
3. Because many media Jews try to play the "hello, fellow white people" game. As long as they do, every Jew in the media will get the echoes treatement.

Anonymous JAG November 26, 2016 1:44 PM  

Kikey Boy wrote:What is it with your obsession with Jews. We all know that Ben Shapiro is Jewish. Why do you find it necessary to beat everybody over the head with it at every opportunity?

It is to trigger people like you. Mission accomplished.

Blogger pyrrhus November 26, 2016 1:51 PM  

Unfortunately, (((Ben))) is pretty typical of many of my Jewish friends. BUT, I have found that Jews from Israel or other parts of the ME (I know one guy who was born in Iraq) tend to be much more honest and politically conservative. They have seen the 3d world, up close and personal...

Blogger GFR November 26, 2016 1:54 PM  

My kids pediatrician wants to know if there are guns in the house. Why is she asking these questions and where are they going with this?

Blogger VD November 26, 2016 1:58 PM  

My kids pediatrician wants to know if there are guns in the house. Why is she asking these questions and where are they going with this?

Gun control. It's all about gun control. Just tell them, "no, there are no guns in the house and we are totally anti-gun!"

Blogger lowercaseb November 26, 2016 1:59 PM  

JAG wrote:However, it is a waste of time, because you will never red pill a willing blue pill addict.

It can be done...but like Vox says you have to appeal to their self interest. I used to worship at the temple of Nice. That god is fallen. It's temple is crushed and the ground has been salted.

Just tell them... "The left does not care, so why should you. They don't care about your distaste of a double standard. They don't care about your past attempts at reaching out. They don't care about their own hypocrisy. They will use your care against you."

"If the left don't care, why should you. They are not worthy of your care. By caring what they think of you, you set yourself up for failure and also set your own allies up for failure."

Tell your blue pillers, your ex-moderates to get angry...the left was the one that razed the temple of Nice. Show the left the horrors of a world where we embrace their weapons. Smash their temples, salt their fields. Then patiently explain to the left that this is what happens when people don't play Nice.

The left won't learn...but by then your ex-moderate won't care.

Blogger YIH November 26, 2016 2:02 PM  

GFR wrote:My kids pediatrician wants to know if there are guns in the house. Why is she asking these questions and where are they going with this?
Easy one: Gun Violence 'A Public Health Crisis,' American Medical Association Says.
Yes, SJWs really believe gun ownership/use is equivalent to tobacco use.

Blogger DrAndroSF November 26, 2016 2:04 PM  

benshapiro's revelatory outburst, if followed through to its logical unfolding, means that Europeans are completely optional when it comes to Western civilization, that is, completely disposable. It is this astoundingly ungrateful attitude which has painfully and slowly altered my lifelong philojudaic attitude to one now of default suspicion. I do not know what astonishes me more, the blindness or the arrogance.

Blogger pyrrhus November 26, 2016 2:04 PM  

My kids pediatrician wants to know if there are guns in the house. Why is she asking these questions and where are they going with this?

Gun control. It's all about gun control. Just tell them, "no, there are no guns in the house and we are totally anti-gun!"

Better believe it....My tactic is to tell doctors, in advance, that I don't want to be asked questions that would be an insult to my intelligence.

Anonymous BGKB November 26, 2016 2:06 PM  

Babydoc into achieving the highest "feelgoodz" ratings as opposed to focusing on actually relevant performance metrics in patient care

I will never forget checking the Press Ganey patient comments for the week at an inner city hospital after a fight broke out in the ER waiting room, to see the only positive comment for the entire hospital was that one of the ER Docs was handsome. Even worse the cunts working there teased him that it might have been a guy since the name was removed. Several staff members had gone above and beyond that week.

If you run into someone who thinks your dept/floor should be competing with the clown who hands out balloons and lollipops for patient satisfaction please tell her to watch "GAYCATION ORLANDO" available on youtube were a latrino lesbian has worse things to say about the hospital that saved lives than the afhani moslem who shot 102 gays. Leftist gays said worse things about Brandon Eich than they did Omar Mateen.

I'm a Jewish teapot Short and smart Here is my handle Here is my spout that's maller than BGS's thumb

OT: Watch out for jews at seaworld Orlando- A years worth of food for $79 is considered an investment http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/11/26/seaworld-has-my-79-and-now-it-has-to-feed-me-for-a.aspx

Blogger VD November 26, 2016 2:09 PM  

Better believe it....My tactic is to tell doctors, in advance, that I don't want to be asked questions that would be an insult to my intelligence.

That's foolish. You might as well paint a target on your chest. Misinformation is much better.

Blogger Shimshon November 26, 2016 2:12 PM  

Vox, it seems you are saying that SJWAL is Aristotle for midwits (or, perhaps, the Cliff Notes version). Do I get it? I love the smell of rhetoric in the morning.

I wonder how long it will take Ben to claim he has always been a Democrat. He's so duplicitous I wouldn't be surprised to see him start defending BDS.

Blogger YIH November 26, 2016 2:19 PM  

@31 BGKB:
OT: Watch out for jews at seaworld Orlando- A years worth of food for $79 is considered an investment
False econony, to go in it's that much single day or at least $100 annual pass.
And that doesn't even count the costs and hassle to drive there (Orlando, tourist areas or not, is not a pleasant place to drive).

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 26, 2016 2:21 PM  

JAG wrote:The only option for people who love the truth is to adopt a new way of speaking – a rhetoric – which crushes the lies that claim to be social justice, and at least allows a path for people to reach the truth, if they care to.

The rhetoric Vox Day advocates is cruel. It laughs at the mentally fragile, hurts by striking at weaknesses that opponents can’t do anything about, and offers little hope to those who want to live today in peace. Perhaps it is necessary for ensuring stability tomorrow. Reading the book is certainly necessary for anyone who wants to understand how our culture has changed.


All this person needs to do is spend a couple of months winning debates against shitlibs. It's real easy to do because their is nothing truthful coming from the shitlib. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. It is no challenge to defeat a shitlib in debate.

However, it is a waste of time, because you will never red pill a willing blue pill addict. They will not drink the water you have lead them to. They are blind and stupid by choice, because that is preferable for them than over facing reality.

No, it is best, and more satisfying to go full shitlord on them. If they claim the are "afraid" of literally Hitler Trump, you respond by warning them that they must keep their mouth shut from now on, because they are now on "the list". Feed in to their fantasies and amplify it up to 11.


The blue-pill addict is not your target in hopes to change its perspective. Your real audience is the people watching this go down, the people who talk to you and are fearful of supporting though you suspect they might in the right circumstance, and the blue-pillers who are just beginning to see cracks in the narrative and fear what is now happening to you.

Your interlocutor? To hell with him. He's a target to be destroyed. He's your example to the world.

Blogger tublecane November 26, 2016 2:22 PM  

She thinks Vox's rhetoric is cruel. (I'm just going to assume it's a she, because of the way her writing strikes me). Aww. Cruelty is peeling the skin off your enemies before giving them the gift of death. Whatever she means by "cruel," okay, we live in a "cruel" world. Why shouldn't our persuasive techniques reflect that?

People get themselves all twisted up over rhetoric. It's not that complicated. If you want to be Ms. Manners, don't engage on a level above the gutters. I don't have any children, otherwise I'd be forced to live daily on the rhetorical level of "because I say so." I also took philosophy courses in college. Believe me, there were no detached, objective debates. It was all rhetoric, just a different kind doesn't than you'd use bumping into random passersby on the street.

I hear people refer to Trump as a "demagogue," and I know it's supposed to be insulting, but I forget why. So I look the word up, and it accurately describes every democratic (or pseudo-democratic) politician ever, except maybe guys like Washington. There are merely more and less rational appeals. Trump doesn't appeal to eggheads,but all that really means is that the ruling intellectual elite aren't on his side. Did Obama operate on a more reasonable, gentlemanly plane? For instance in black churches?

Just replace rhetoric with "persuasiveness" in your head. You can be more or less reasonable, more or less polite based on what will persuade people better. You wouldn't argue with a five year old the same way you'd argue with an aging pillar of the community.

You wouldn't use much reason against an SJW, who certainly isn't reasoning with you.

Blogger tublecane November 26, 2016 2:23 PM  

Sorry, I meant do engage in a level above the gutters.

Blogger tublecane November 26, 2016 2:25 PM  

plane = plain; damn modern devices

Blogger ViciousCreep November 26, 2016 2:25 PM  

"We are called to forgive and be merciful, which means that surrender is not inevitable and victory must be a possibility."

This calls to mind the battle going on within the Catholic church at the moment. There is a longstanding moral dilemma among Catholics who find themselves on the opposite ends of war. Catholic doctrine allows that we may have a responsibility to serve our nation as soldiers.

Pathological altruists and Christians should have no compunctions about twisting the knife in the war of ideas. We don't even have to agonize about bombing civilian cities yet.

Anonymous Babydoc November 26, 2016 2:32 PM  

Because over a decade ago the AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) went full retard on the SJW agenda. They left wants to treat firearms as a medical safety issue, and in their "feelgoodism" mindset, 'gunz=BAD'. I, and many other pediatrician and ped subspecialists dumped our AAP membership when they started pushing this crap. AAP was a huge obamacare supporter, and they advocate for hormone blocking poison in prepubescent kids confused as to their biological sex. The leftist/SJW tilt of the AAP led to the creation of the American College of Pediatricians, however we are as yet still small, and do not have the political clout and credentialling power of the AAP.

If your pedi is asking you these kinds of questions, ask them why they want to know. If they start spouting gun control BS, I highly recommend you find another doc for your kids, unless you enjoy having SJW propaganda pushed on you and your kid.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 26, 2016 2:33 PM  

...[SJWAL] offers little hope to those who want to live today in peace. Perhaps it is necessary for ensuring stability tomorrow.

War is upon you whether you will it or no.

Rick wrote:To lie, one must know the truth. Then conceal it.
It is certainly possible to lie to oneself. The smarter you are, the easier it is. I have no doubt Shapiro knows these are falsehoods. I also have no doubt he believes them.

Blogger pyrrhus November 26, 2016 2:33 PM  

@32 No it isn't, it works. Of course, they know I'm an attorney, and that I don't like any of their questions that relate to personal information. I have lectured them on identity theft...

Blogger Matthew November 26, 2016 2:37 PM  

tublecane wrote:plane = plain; damn modern devices

INCOMING!

Blogger Matthew November 26, 2016 2:38 PM  

The reason you identify (((Jews))) is that they hate it. No other ethnic group reacts this way, so it is patently obviously the most effective and right thing to do.

Blogger J Van Stry November 26, 2016 2:38 PM  

Every time I read things like this, I feel better about the future. These are the battles I have seen for years, but when I spoke up I was always marginalized as a 'fanatic'. It's why I first left the Republican party, then left the Conservative party, and have now left the Libertarian party.

They don't understand that losing is not winning, the 'losing gracefully' still gets the boot on your neck. The victor doesn't care if you accept defeat or not, just as long as you are defeated and will treat you the same way regardless.

And moderates have always been useless, because 'if you won't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.'

Once again, Thank You Vox for pointing out the obvious so much better than I ever could. I've learn more about Rhetoric from you, than from anyone else, including my college professors.

Blogger tublecane November 26, 2016 2:47 PM  

@25-Last time I went to the doctor they asked me something like "Do you feel safe in your home?" Which is something I assumed they wouldn't bother asking a large, adult male such as myself. But they're just ticking off boxes on a form some idiot bureaucrat designed. Any excuse to stick their noses in our business.

Asking me about my domestic safety is like the gay marriage of social work queries. The question wasn't designed for me, just like marriage wasn't invented for them. But we've gotta be included because discrimination?

Anonymous BGKB November 26, 2016 2:47 PM  

False econony, to go in it's that much single day or at least $100 annual pass.
And that doesn't even count the costs and hassle to drive there (Orlando, tourist areas or not, is not a pleasant place to drive).


Obviously I was not recommending to go to seaworld to see the jews, or recommending it as an investment. But apparently jews in that area will consider it a good deal if they can go every day for a year, as the author plans to do. You would have to look at the article to see the rationale.

Anonymous Francois November 26, 2016 3:09 PM  

Moderates are finally capitulating, as they are beginning to understand that their paradigms are false, their enemies are relentless, and their jobs, their lifestyles, their families, and even their nations are endangered."

How is it that the gays live as they want, the leftist feminist live as they want, the gun toting red necks tote their guns, the east cost intellectuals intellectualize, the god squad prays all they want and the haters are free to hate?

I love a good hypothesis as much as the next guy, but for crying out loud, at least make it a plausible one.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 26, 2016 3:10 PM  

If things had gone the way they wanted it to, with universal government single payer health care, your answers to these pediatrician questions would be used against you. Moreso, since the pediatrician would be a government official, it would be fraud to lie to him when he asked you about firearms, and you could be prosecuted if a records check showed you owned firearms but didn't fess up to your pediatrician.

So adding in that question as a part of Obamacare was a pawn-to-king-four opening move. It was a set-up for what was to come later.

However, if it comes the time where the government has enough free time to prosecute someone for fraud for not exactly telling the truth about every tiny thing they say to their pediatrician, the time is long since come to start shooting/knifing/poisoning all government officials.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir November 26, 2016 3:12 PM  

These people have an unwavering goal: to destroy what Christ has built and to replace it with their Talmudic utopia. They will do absolutely anything necessary to destroy the social order which Christendom gave to us. Remember their motto: "We shall wage war by deception."

Anonymous Eric the Red November 26, 2016 3:13 PM  

My kids pediatrician wants to know if there are guns in the house. Why is she asking these questions and where are they going with this?

My married friends in North Carolina had a dindu nurse in their doctor's office sic Child Social Services on them, all because of a mixup in test results for their son that wasn't even their fault.

So how does that apply? It means that the state may have a legal right over you regarding your children, having weaseled into it via endangerment laws.

So the basic question here is, does the doctor have the legal right to ask such questions and to demand an answer?

Anonymous Francois November 26, 2016 3:13 PM  

Because many media Jews try to play the "hello, fellow white people" game. "

How is this done? By not announcing they are Jews every time they speak. How exactly do they play this game?

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 26, 2016 3:19 PM  

B-b-b-buttt, b-butt, but Jesus, they aren't REALLY VIPERS (attach definition of snake here). And besides YOU'RE REALLY MEAN!

Anonymous EH November 26, 2016 3:23 PM  

"Obviously I was not recommending to go to seaworld to see the jews, "

This would be a great comedy writing prompt. Bruce Bethke would likely do it best.

Blogger Unknown November 26, 2016 3:28 PM  

@40
No doctor would take advice from a layperson about medical care. Conversely, no patient should ever take advice from a medial doctor acting in his role as doctor about firearms. Any doctor who does offer advice about firearms in his capacity as a doctor is operating outside the purview of their training and their license, and therefore any advice given is no different than any schmoe off the street.
I always remind any doctor talking to me who starts down that road that they are leaving their licensed (and insured against liability) area of expertise and entering mine, and that I don't need to be lectured about firearms by the likes of them.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 26, 2016 3:35 PM  

Regarding gun-control the CDC is being weaponized to attack our firearm rights. They are going to run with the "it's an epidemic" model for sciencing us into a socio"logical" solution the same way they're using AGW to science us into erasing our national sovereignty. They get to use the what they consider a trusted profession, your GP to push this nonsense straight into your family.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 26, 2016 3:47 PM  

@56 Arthur Isaac

Yes, this is a key component of the anti-family agenda of the totalitarian left. And they will use every lie in their subjective value system to rationalize it.

Blogger Michael Maier November 26, 2016 3:50 PM  

Did some libtard site email out talking points?

Some idiot at Dalrock's said the same "whites don't care if they're cucked so long as it's by another white".

When I called him on his idiocy, he doubled down, first citing some idiot white supremacist who said white chicks should trap their white men with pregnancy (NOT cucking)

then 2: some Nazi "leben-something" eugenics program, which INFOGALATIC states was for single broads, and not cucking either.

Do they think stating idiocy en masse will make it more convincing to anyone?

Blogger CynicalMan November 26, 2016 3:53 PM  

"My kids pediatrician wants to know if there are guns in the house. Why is she asking these questions and where are they going with this?"

If you respond in the positive, the next questions will concern your mental health; Do you ever experience moments do depression? Have you ever thought about suicide?

And it goes on until you are found to be incompetent to own firearms. Then the black ops come and take you away.

Blogger Doom November 26, 2016 3:56 PM  

I have said this before, and said it to others. I still believe your works are the beginning of a new direction for a movement which was only budding. It was budding naturally, your works have simply... smoothed some of the path, and taken away the tit and put in semi, then full solid, foods for thought.

Over my time it has been a gentle flow. For the noobs, it's a punch to the groin. I see their problem, I also see that the nut sack shot is... better. Though some of us are more apt to 'bag' ourselves when we go all pissy, and prefer the hard to the soft way anyway.

Keep it up. I am still buying books, and passing them out when I see an opportunity or likely target. I can't have a man as a brother if he is too fucking soft. I don't want a coward in front or behind me. I'll kill them all first, if it gets to that point, and go alone.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky November 26, 2016 3:59 PM  

Eric the Red wrote:So the basic question here is, does the doctor have the legal right to ask such questions and to demand an answer?

Yes, doctors do have the legal right to ask about guns in your household. No, you are not legally required to answer the question.

In the Affordable Care Act, there is actually a section which forbids doctors and medical groups to keep records on patients' ownership of guns and ammunition. It also forbids gun ownership from becoming a factor in benefit coverage.

But we have Democrats, so what is law? Obama and his surgeon general started pressuring doctors to ask about and make records about patients' gun ownership right out of the gate. Medical groups have followed suit encouraging members to track this. The American Academy of Pediatrics is one of them, which helps explain why your pediatrician asked.

Also, Obama has pushed to use gun ownership as a disqualifier for benefits among the elderly, on the basis that they are too old to be responsible. This also would seem contrary to the spirit if not the letter of the law.

But as we've seen, increasingly laws don't mean what we think they mean in this country. They mean whatever the progressives want, even in the face of direct contradiction in statute. SCOTUS will rewrite statute on the fly, it has done so already regarding Obamacare.

Anonymous Babydoc November 26, 2016 4:04 PM  

Exactly. CMS pushes all these irrelevant, bureaucrat-driven data collecting, and has turned physicians into overpaid data entry techs. It is why I went neonatology, all inpatient, so I can do critical care without being overwhelmed with stupidity.

Anonymous Dave November 26, 2016 4:05 PM  

Yes, doctors do have the legal right to ask about guns in your household

Not in Florida and other states to follow...

Blogger Sheila4g November 26, 2016 4:09 PM  

A mixture of rhetoric and dialectic can work with some rare moderates, as long as they are essentially decent and rational people. I've very gradually moved my wonderful, kind, Christian (and unfortunately philosemitic) friend to acknowledge that, while she personally loves everyone and doesn't want to hurt or kill anyone, people are naturally tribal, it's not evil to prefer your own (children or people) to the alien, and that when the inevitable conflict comes (she concurs it's inevitable), you will be forced to choose sides and then naturally your skin color is your uniform. And this friend is someone who is genuinely NICE and a devout Christian. But then, she's also willing to acknowledge that her personal feelings and reality are not one and the same. Thank you, Vox and commentariat, for teaching me so much about dialectic and logic and human nature. Prior to my schooling here, I would not have had the tools to reach her without coming off as evil and hateful.

As for the deeply blue-pilled, as others note, ZFG. I just give them death stares as I stalk through the gym or Walmart (in search of cheap Perfecta .223 ammo). OT: Taking the class portion for my CCL in 2 weeks, and will schedule range test as soon as possible thereafter. I'm already getting accustomed to keeping my weapon in my vehicle - strange times.

Anonymous Eric the Red November 26, 2016 4:14 PM  

@61 rubberducky...

Thanks for the information. Since it's a federal initiative, the situation is even worse than I thought.

Blogger Rusty Fife November 26, 2016 4:19 PM  

Francois wrote:Because many media Jews try to play the "hello, fellow white people" game. "

How is this done? By not announcing they are Jews every time they speak. How exactly do they play this game?


Ben Shaprio does it when he lays claim to being a member of the Western (Chistendom) Civilization; then states that it has nothing to do with Europeans.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky November 26, 2016 4:25 PM  

Recall the last presidential debate. Trump and Hillary were asked about the Supreme Court case, District of Colombia v. Heller. SCOTUS had found that DC's extreme gun control measures unconstitutionally thwarted the right of self defense.

Hillary's state opposition to the ruling was notably out-of-left field to the point of insanity. It all came down to the toddlers, she said. To the extent that children were EVER mentioned in the case, Heller, the plaintiff suing for gun rights, mentioned them as a party he sought to protect. He claimed his neighborhood had swung from a child-friendly haven into a drug-fuelled war zone (and it had).

Hillay's stated opinon was this in a nutshell, "I'm all for the 2nd Amendment. But children exist somewhere, so nope."

That's not the last we will hear of this. Hillary doesn't trot out anything that isn't focus-grouped and workshopped. The left will continue trying to ban guns, because children. And they are collecting stats through pediatricians (illegally) right now in preparation.

Blogger g wood November 26, 2016 4:25 PM  

"Do you feel safe in your home?"
Yes, because I have lots of guns.

Blogger cheddarman November 26, 2016 4:36 PM  

A sad thing about jews like Ben Shapiro is that they could have a special place in western civilization, if only they stuck to one of the two religions that God brought into being by human using jews, Judaism as revealed through Moses and the Biblical prophets, or Christianity.

IMO God will point that out to a lot of Jews on judgement day.

Blogger Robert What? November 26, 2016 4:38 PM  

If a moderate was undergoing a home invasion with a couple of armed men training their guns on his wife and children, would said moderate try to "understand" the side of the home invaders? Actually, now that I think of it, he probably would.

Blogger GFR November 26, 2016 4:41 PM  

"If things had gone the way they wanted it to, with universal government single payer health care, your answers to these pediatrician questions would be used against you. Moreso, since the pediatrician would be a government official, it would be fraud to lie to him when he asked you about firearms, and you could be prosecuted if a records check showed you owned firearms but didn't fess up to your pediatrician."
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This is what I was thinking too. Lying about the answer is probably the best thing to do - until it becomes a crime to lie to a pediatrician at which point I guess you have to plead the fifth.
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FWIW this particular pediatrician didn't seem very happy about having to ask the question. I surmise that she may have received some non-complimentary responses from other parents.

Blogger GFR November 26, 2016 4:50 PM  

@48
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"I love a good hypothesis as much as the next guy, but for crying out loud, at least make it a plausible one."
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You win - now go away..

Blogger rumpole5 November 26, 2016 5:24 PM  

Re:"Orlando, tourist areas or not, is not a pleasant place to drive" -- Any part of Orlando that existed in 1950 is fine to drive in. We just segregate the yankees and Puerto Ricans on the interstate and new highways.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 26, 2016 5:41 PM  

> they could have a special place in western civilization

Do you mean Israel or Dachau?

Anonymous the management November 26, 2016 6:42 PM  

cheddarman wrote:A sad thing about jews like Ben Shapiro is that they could have a special place in western civilization, if only they stuck to one of the two religions that God brought into being by human using jews, Judaism as revealed through Moses and the Biblical prophets, or Christianity.

Cheddarman, with respect (I enjoy your comments here), Christianity is the only true religion ever brought forth by God - centered on His Son from the beginning.

Judaism was specifically repudiated by Jesus as the "rules taught by men" that the corrupted Pharisees had substituted after the Babylonian captivity for the one true faith. Abraham, Moses, and the prophets were waiting for the revealing of the Christ, not some sort of Talmudic man-made utopianism based on flesh, endless hairsplitting rules, and social justice.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT November 26, 2016 7:06 PM  

@15 Babydoc - as part of her nursing program my friend and her classmates traveled to central America for a week. While there they were told not to correct any of the staff UNLESS they were asked for their opinion. If your first reaction is "well of course, they were still students" forget it because that wasn't the reason. They were already well beyond the people at the hospital they were visiting, which she illustrated with specific examples.

No, the reason is that you're supposed to offer medical assistance to a backwards 3rd world country without telling them why they're a backwards 3rd world country, medically speaking.

The west worships a false idol, and that idol's name is GoodFeelz(TM).

Blogger tublecane November 26, 2016 7:10 PM  

@52-How about you observe Jewish intellectuals, especially neocons (leftist Jews don't bother putting on a show about being white), and see for yourself, rather than assuming echoes are unwarranted?

Anonymous Francois November 26, 2016 7:16 PM  

"Because many media Jews try to play the "hello, fellow white people" game. "

How is this done? By not announcing they are Jews every time they speak. How exactly do they play this game?


Ben Shaprio does it when he lays claim to being a member of the Western (Chistendom) Civilization; then states that it has nothing to do with Europeans."

Well, Shapiro (as a Jew) is most certainly part of Western Civilization. Jews have been a part of WC for centuries, just like Anglos and Normans and Iberians, and gauls. They have always been here.

Additionally, they are responsible for numerous icons of Western Civilization in the form of literature, arts, science and thought. None of this is deniable yet some choose to. It's an odd thing.

But that aside, in what way does Shapiro "pretend to be white". You've not explained anything. You've merely said that he rightly believes Jews to be a part of western civilization.

Anonymous Francois November 26, 2016 7:19 PM  

"@52-How about you observe Jewish intellectuals, especially neocons (leftist Jews don't bother putting on a show about being white), and see for yourself, rather than assuming echoes are unwarranted?"

Why don't you just explain how Jewish intellectuals put on a show about "being white". How am I to know which particular manners you may be referring to?

Anonymous Bz November 26, 2016 7:19 PM  

Similar to the ultimate unstoppable nazi shriek to disable any opposition, I believe another favorite tactic of the other side is to appeal to the soft, hesitant side of conservatives to sow confusion and smother them into inaction and self-questioning.

Blogger Cecil Henry November 26, 2016 7:38 PM  

@78

Here is one example of the hypocrisy:

"Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the state of Israel and the Jewish people."

-Martin Schulz, President of the EU Parliament


Jews have no regard for the interests of Whites. Because they are not White. This recurs endlessly, ad infinitum....

Anonymous Bz November 26, 2016 7:44 PM  

How about that, hooked a troll in one.

Blogger Rusty Fife November 26, 2016 7:44 PM  

Francois wrote:Well, Shapiro (as a Jew) is most certainly part of Western Civilization. Jews have been a part of WC for centuries, just like Anglos and Normans and Iberians, and gauls. They have always been here.

Aparently, you aren't from around here. This is the statement VD was referring to in this case:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/11/cuck-to-cuck.html

If this doesn't satisfy your 'curiosity'; then I'll have to question whether I'm touching the poop.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 26, 2016 8:21 PM  

@84, You are.

Blogger Rusty Fife November 26, 2016 8:27 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:@84, You are.

But! It's so squishy!

Blogger Matthew November 26, 2016 9:15 PM  

My goodness, have we found the Jew?

Blogger tz November 26, 2016 9:28 PM  

I'm beginning to think a cuckservative is/was just a SJW who votes for the #CuckOldParty. Lying, Projecting, Doubles-down. Those checks aren't bouncing.

Or perhaps I'm just exploring some profound contempt for (((Benji))). Not only triply parenthetic, but triply pathetic.

Blogger tz November 26, 2016 9:36 PM  

I grew up in a Jewish suburb, but was smart and sort of fit in.

While I won't call them two-faced, as each are individual and some are as American as naturalized Portuguese (Hoyt), many either consciously or unconsciously present different faces in public v.s. in private, not unlike Clinton said in her leaked email.

There are two forces - one is to fit into a secular meritocracy America, yet the in-group Jewish preference is there.

There are many liberal, secular Jews, I know of no "red-neck" Jews (Nate's dot-not-feather Indian). Even those who convert to Christianity don't convert to the deep evangelical or equivalent Catholic (and I can't think of a Mormon ex-Jew).

Data is data, evidence is evidence.

Blogger dienw November 26, 2016 9:46 PM  

How is this done? By not announcing they are Jews every time they speak. How exactly do they play this game?
Just had a run in with a couple. One Schrodingers White absolves himself of being a racist:
Me: " If only Whites can be racist than anti-racism is anti-White: White skin is sin has been the cry since the late sixties. Very well, your skin is your uniform: I wear mine proudly; how do you wear yours? Or are you a Schrodinger's White?"

Him :"My skin hasn't enslaved the world...so I wear mine in truth"

Me: "So tell me, whose skin has enslaved the world?"

Him: Anyone who believes themselves to be superior based on their skin color..... Obviously

Me: "You moved the goal posts. Try being honest: Whose skin enslaved the world?"

Him: "The world has been enslaved by white ppl .... you know this better than I"

And you're correct about the SJWs believing their opponents are stupid.

Blogger wreckage November 26, 2016 10:01 PM  

@91; false history. The British Empire was, and still is, the only empire in history to completely ban slavery. Remembering that even before that, they didn't take slaves, they only traded them. It was Africa and the Middle East that enslaved people.... the British just retailed the slaves thus made.

So, your friend is talking shit. Especially given that historical Israel enslaved everyone it went to war with, and the temple was maintained by a hereditary slave caste:

http://www.bible.gen.nz/amos/themes/slavery.htm

Blogger dienw November 26, 2016 10:09 PM  

@Wreckage
I know the guy's full of shit. The point of my comment was to point out how the Jews are White or POC when the circumstances benefit them.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 26, 2016 11:38 PM  

Do you feel safe in your home?

Well, the drug-dealing gang of illegal Mexicans that moved in next door puts me a little on edge...

Anonymous Jack Amok November 26, 2016 11:40 PM  

Why don't you just explain how Jewish intellectuals put on a show about "being white". How am I to know which particular manners you may be referring to?

Fuck off troll.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 26, 2016 11:47 PM  

I'm beginning to think a cuckservative is/was just a SJW who votes for the #CuckOldParty.

Pretty close. I would say most cuckservatives are men whose natural disposition would place them on the left, but they chose the right over some subset of issues. Emotionally, they're drawn to the principles of the French Revolution, Brotherhood of Man, anti-racism, and bringing the world together to sing about Coke. They care deeply, ever so very deeply, about all people, and want to show how much.

But they recognize that abortion is evil (for instance). Or they know people have a right to self-defense. Or they're smart and honest enough to see that socialism doesn't work (though they probably wish it could). For various issues, they find themselves on the right politically, but they don't feel very comfortable there, so they spend part of their time trying to make the right more like the left while retaining those issues they care about. To make themselves feel more comfortable in the meantime, they tell themselves the right is the real home of niceness if you look deeply enough. "Democrats are the real racists."

That's why they became frantic as the Trumpslide approached: it became obvious that the right is not Nice, and is never going to be their emotional home. They still had their issues, but issues are dialectic, and can only hold up so long against emotion in most people. At some point, "I'll make the right more like me," becomes, "Screw that. I'll take my chances at getting the left to convert on my issues."

(((Conservatives))) are a special case, because Talmudic Judaism is very much of the left. You could say it's one of the primary sources for the left's principles. So in their case, siding with the right over some issues puts them at odds with both emotional inclination and religion/ideology. They were never going to stay long if they couldn't remake the right in their own image.

Anonymous Bukulu November 26, 2016 11:59 PM  

"If your pedi is asking you these kinds of questions, ask them why they want to know..."

That's really an unnecessary step, because if they were sane and decent, they would have blown off the AAP's advice as stupid moral posturing anyway.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 27, 2016 12:11 AM  

Nice analysis Mr. Corishev

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 27, 2016 12:28 AM  

(((Francoise)))
No-one's interested in your idiot prattle.
Do you think we live in a land where Jews are a distant rumor? We work with Jews, are taught by Jews, are lectured, castigated, out-grouped and attacked by Jews, and disemployed at the behest of Jews.

I once worked at a small software company that was destroyed by a Jew, who simply refused to tell the truth. As a result, we shipped a product that was not ready for customers. He would not tell his management it wasn't ready. The reason? He was trying to destroy the lead programmer, another Jew, who had converted to Mormonism.
Really. I watched it happen.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 27, 2016 2:23 AM  

Chickenhawkery is a prime Jewish trait. They love participating in CFR and few join the non-Israeli military. I saw a chart on their participation rates a couple of days ago....

Anonymous Discard November 27, 2016 4:35 AM  

101. Arthur Issac: About 10,500 American Jews died in the American military during WW2. That's 2.5% of our war dead, while they were 3.5% of the population and 3.5% of the military. Hiding out in the orderly room, like chickenhawks.

Anonymous Discard November 27, 2016 4:46 AM  

Francois: Jews play White by allowing Goyim to assume that they're White, while making sure that other Jews know that they're Members of the Tribe. I, due to my Central-European-name-that-might-be-taken-as-Jewish, discovered this in the 1980s when all of my representatives at all levels of government simultaneously told me what synagogue they attended and what strong supporters of Israel they were. I later read an article in The New Republic that cheerfully explained how the Waxman-Berman Machine in Los Angeles had started using computerized census data to fine tune their campaign mailings.
Since then, I have paid close attention to the (((ethnic))) aspects of local and national politics. It's not pretty.

Blogger VD November 27, 2016 5:24 AM  

Well, Shapiro (as a Jew) is most certainly part of Western Civilization. Jews have been a part of WC for centuries, just like Anglos and Normans and Iberians, and gauls. They have always been here.

No, they haven't. They are invaders from the Middle East who failed to assimilate.

Additionally, they are responsible for numerous icons of Western Civilization in the form of literature, arts, science and thought.

You're banned for hasbara, Francois.

Anonymous Charlie Prime November 27, 2016 9:05 AM  

Remember kids: Being Nazi Frogs got the Alt-Right NO WHERE.

It's time to cuck in, cuck on, and cuck out in order to build a future for white children.

All this Hitler Natzee Gas Oven stuff has got to go. We need to move the Overton Window back to the Left.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 27, 2016 1:41 PM  

We need to move the Overton Window back to the Left.

It doesn't move that way any more. They tried.

Blogger megatherium100 November 28, 2016 1:28 PM  

"Actually, (((Ben))) lied, which was why his rhetoric was ineffective. What is the truth my rhetoric was pointed towards? The truth that (((Ben Shapiro))) is a shameless liar. (((Shapiro))) lied about the nature of racism, he lied about American history, he lied about the Constitution, he lied about the Declaration of Independence, he lied about Western civilization, he lied about what "cuckold" means, and he lied about the Alt-Right. And he did it all in a single interview. He very nearly managed to tell all those lies in a single paragraph!"

Well, if anything, it is truly an impressive feat of language to condense so many lies in(almost) a single paragraph. Apparently the extra 1SD that the jews have over the goyim is almost exclusivly on vocabulary, and apparently vocabulary is more g-loaded than math per se.

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