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Monday, November 28, 2016

The party of Reagan is dead

The Republican party is a white populist Trump party now, so get used to it:
Donald Trump’s economic adviser Stephen Moore told a group of top Republicans last week that they now belong to a fundamentally different political party. Moore surprised some of the Republican lawmakers assembled at their closed-door whip meeting last Tuesday when he told them they should no longer think of themselves as belonging to the conservative party of Ronald Reagan.

They now belong to Trump’s populist working-class party, he said. A source briefed on the House GOP whip meeting — which Moore attended as a guest of Majority Whip Steve Scalise — said several lawmakers told him they were taken aback by the economist’s comments.

“For God’s sake, it’s Stephen Moore!” the source said, explaining some of the lawmakers’ reactions to Moore’s statement. “He’s the guy who started Club for Growth. He’s Mr. Supply Side economics. I think it’s going to take them a little time to process what does this all mean,” the source added of the lawmakers. “The vast majority of them were on the wrong side. They didn’t think this was going to happen.”

Asked about his comments to the GOP lawmakers, Moore told The Hill he was giving them a dose of reality.

“Just as Reagan converted the GOP into a conservative party, Trump has converted the GOP into a populist working-class party,” Moore said in an interview Wednesday. “In some ways this will be good for conservatives and in other ways possibly frustrating.”

Moore has spent much of his career advocating for huge tax and spending cuts and free trade. He’s been as close to a purist ideological conservative as they come, but he says the experience of traveling around Rust Belt states to support Trump has altered his politics.

“It turned me more into a populist,” he said, expressing frustration with the way some in the Beltway media dismissed the economic concerns of voters in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

“Having spent the last three or four months on the campaign trail, it opens your eyes to the everyday anxieties and financial stress people are facing,” Moore added. “I’m pro-immigration and pro-trade, but we better make sure as we pursue these policies we’re not creating economic undertow in these areas.”
This is good news. Even the hardcore economic-growth-at-all-costs conservatives are finally beginning to understand that their politics are a non-starter. Moore is smart enough that he'll likely come around completely before long.

Conservatism and Constitutionalism are both dead because both completely failed in their primary duty of protecting the nation and securing the blessings of liberty for the posterity of the Founders. That is why Trump came to power, that is why the Alt-Right is on the rise, and that is why identity politics are now the order of the day.

This is something both conservatives and constitutionalists very much need to understand. You CANNOT and you WILL NOT avoid domestic conflict, quite possibly on a civil war-scale level, by clinging to ideals that have already failed in almost every possible way. You have ONE CHANCE to avoid the balkanization scenario, and that is by adopting the Alt-Right program and aggressively pushing the God-Emperor Ascendant to adopt it. There is absolutely NOTHING about the conservative and constitutional programs that will relieve the internal stresses that are already pushing the USA to the snapping point.

Some of you whine that there are Nazis and ultras and neos and extremists in the Alt-Right. That's right. There are. And those are precisely the radicals who will rapidly come to the fore if Trump, the nationalist elite, and the Alt-Right fail to reduce the internal stress, the globalists return to power, and the balkanization scenario begins to play out. Look at Ukraine. Look at Hungary. Look at Yugoslavia. Which of those three political entities is in the best shape, and why?

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Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 5:11 AM  

Strategically flawless logic.
Personally and individually though, the minute a neo-Nazi type tries to affect my life according to his shitty ideology, I'm burying an axe head in his skull and nailing his scalp to my front door.
I don't think the force of the blow will be measurably different from the one I'd deliver to an invading Saracen or a Marxist SJW.
I suppose Il Duce was right:

Tanti Nemici, Tanto Onore

Blogger Abyssus Invocat November 28, 2016 5:31 AM  

Well put. I didn't risk my livelihood against SJW thought controllers just to be told how to live by some Deobandi freak OR some halfwit skinhead

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 5:35 AM  

Personally and individually though, the minute a neo-Nazi type tries to affect my life according to his shitty ideology, I'm burying an axe head in his skull and nailing his scalp to my front door.

And that's the problem with moderates. They're always as eager to attack their extremists as the enemy. Ever wonder why extremists don't hesitate to purge moderates when they come to power? That attitude may play a role.

Remember, it is the macrosocietal forces that determine which side is dominant at any given time. The worse the stresses get, the more likely it is that the pendulum will swing further back into nasty territory.

I don't worry about political ideologies dead for 70 years. Especially when a long-dormant ideology with around one billion adherents is now actively invading the West in the tens of millions. You know how everyone likes to cite the famous quote about generals fighting the last war?

Guess what? That covers everyone who is even remotely concerned about Nazis or Communists.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 5:36 AM  

Some of you whine that...

Shrug

Race war, cold or hot, just isn't the epitome of thrills and achievement for some of us. Forgive us for mistakenly thinking there was something that transcended that. Our brand is irrelevant.

Blogger wreckage November 28, 2016 5:37 AM  

See, that's why I was praying, from afar, that Trump would win. Without a distinct change in the direction of the political juggernaut, it's going to get to the stage where people willingly vote Nazis in. Mark Steyn pointed that out ten years ago.

The Neo Nazis better watch it, though. Violently ridding ourselves of them would be a very appetizing way to bring violent action into play. Nobody would stop anyone from doing that... and then when the violence expanded it would be too late.

But the Neo-Nazi blood would be the cleansing sacrifice before war.

Blogger wreckage November 28, 2016 5:39 AM  

Question: what does identity economics look like?

Local trade only? Anglosphere trade? What?

Blogger Lovekraft November 28, 2016 5:44 AM  

The alt-right is simply a reaction to ground-level betrayal and abandonment of our courts, police, government.

If they are perceived as working counter to the people's interests and goals, naturally there would emerge an alternative.

For a society that claims to be based on capitalism - competition, fairness etc - it seems the state has demonstrated a complete unwillingness to 'play fair.'

Eight years of democrat rule has shown this.

Blogger Phillip George November 28, 2016 6:02 AM  

Know what you are fighting:
Hezbollah means party of fake god
Novus Seclorum Ordo means party of anti God
Greens means party of pantheism
Multi cultic means party of people who can't think
Sharia means party that won't share power
MSM means party of lies, deceit, coverup, I'll piss in your pocket, vested interests, teenage Utopianism, mixed with buggar you cynicism

That leaves Alt Right. Defectors from all the above, Party of Actual God

Blogger Ezekiel November 28, 2016 6:03 AM  

Conservatism is dead, Pepe has killed it! Soon the whole world will know the power of Kek!

Speaking of frogs...

https://pp.vk.me/c638916/v638916185/14d7f/953AhQJGecg.jpg

(incidentally, does our affinity for a time-traveling Ancient Egyptian Frog God mean that we're essentially the bad guys in an HP Lovecraft novel now?)

Anonymous the management November 28, 2016 6:06 AM  

So much virtue signaling here over Nazis, neo Nazis, skinheads, whatever - as VD or someone said recently, why such angst over a dead, buried, and obsolete 20th century German political movement? The leftovers of these failed ideologies come pre-marginalized, don't waste time fighting the left's favorite strawmen.

You don't see the left signaling against BLM, SJW, and La Raza rioters waving Communist and Mexican flags, do you? And they actually exist and have influence in the real world.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 6:07 AM  

Race war, cold or hot, just isn't the epitome of thrills and achievement for some of us. Forgive us for mistakenly thinking there was something that transcended that.

Some of us don't base our analyses or our strategic opinions on "thrills". We prefer to pay attention to the observable facts. What are you, a child? Do you think this is all a cartoon or something?

The world is fallen. We do not live in an ideal world of Forms. Deal with it.

Violently ridding ourselves of them would be a very appetizing way to bring violent action into play.

That's a beautiful way to ensure you lose and your nation is destroyed. Attack the only people actually willing to sacrifice anything to fight the enemy. Brilliant.

Some of you really are astonishing. You don't even rise to the level of generals fighting the last war. You desperately want to fight your grandfather's war just so you can cling to your feelings of moral superiority.

Blogger JACIII November 28, 2016 6:13 AM  

the management wrote:So much virtue signaling here over Nazis, neo Nazis, skinheads, whatever - as VD or someone said recently, why such angst over a dead, buried, and obsolete 20th century German political movement? The leftovers of these failed ideologies come pre-marginalized, don't waste time fighting the left's favorite strawmen.

You don't see the left signaling against BLM, SJW, and La Raza rioters waving Communist and Mexican flags, do you? And they actually exist and have influence in the real world.


I think you just made your own counter-aurgument. The BLM, La Raza, and JSW have been highly effective and are thus valuable to their allies. Were the nazilarpers effective they would be valuable allies.

Granted, the MSM is working hard to help their commie allies to be seen in the best light.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 6:16 AM  

Were the nazilarpers effective they would be valuable allies.

They were highly effective on social media throughout the election. They not only kept the media engaged, but actually caused numerous journalists to retreat from social media. BLM was arguably very counterproductive for the Left. But the Left defends them nevertheless.

Remember, every attack focused on them is one that isn't coming at you.

Blogger Phillip George November 28, 2016 6:21 AM  

If Nazism really had a chance shares in Xylon B laundromats would be soaring, If settled science globalists actually believed in climate change they'd sell their Riviera Condos and plant pineapples in Alaska.

Alt Right you have the microphone, you have the Com. This is your Millenia. A third Millenia., A glorious reign over which the sun will never set. Your are the pure bloods, Evolution has weeded out the inferior races. Muggles will wear arm bands with a yellow M on them. [couldn't help it]

Blogger James Dixon November 28, 2016 6:22 AM  

> Were the nazilarpers effective they would be valuable allies.

Our current system works by the accumulation of voters who will support your agenda to get you into office. They're voters. As such, they count as much as any other voting block of their size.

They're also willing to organize and do the ground work required. They could be at least as effective as BLM if used properly.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 6:23 AM  

Some of us don't base our analyses or our strategic opinions on "thrills". We prefer to pay attention to the observable facts. What are you, a child? Do you think this is all a cartoon or something?

The world is fallen. We do not live in an ideal world of Forms. Deal with it.


One of the things that has always made you a fascinating commentator is the fact that you've always been able to keep the macro-scale, long term picture in mind.

Fighting the decline of the White West is a fine thing. I have no problem with it at all. Your tactics, suggestions, actions, observations--all fine.

But this damned thing that faces us, Vox--it's like walking on the edge of a knife. And frankly, I hardly know anyone able to walk it.

I've agreed with 95% of what you say. But now, maybe 90%. Universalism--what we will witness if we get to Heaven--is not an enemy. It is a side effect of getting closer to God.

The Left has bastardized Universalism, turning it into an end in and of it self. It is their tool. You are fighting their tool, Vox Day. They push bastardized universalism on is in an unholy way, the same way they push anti-smoking on us.

I think we ought to recognize the above facts, while still maintaining the battle strategy and tactics.

We will never return to the ancient boarders of the post Flood. God knew that Mankind would reach this stage, and to think otherwise is a sort of faithlessness.

What are you, a child?
Get over yourself. I've followed you for years, and have been kicked out of many circles because I've put into practice what you write about. Save rhetoric for your enemies. I was trying to have a damned conversation.

Blogger Fenris Wulf November 28, 2016 6:27 AM  

There's a difference between speaking as an observer, and speaking as a moralist. It took me a while to get it.

Blogger peter blandings November 28, 2016 6:27 AM  

Look at Ukraine. Look at Hungary. Look at Yugoslavia. Which of those three political entities is in the best shape, and why?

hungary, of course. because prime minister viktor orban is an ardent nationalist and refuses to bow to the suicidal euros or the perverted americans and is not taking no fucking refucons who are suckering europe and the u.s. in the largest con job in the history of human beings.

in a few years when some chinaman is writing about the last days of western civilization as all white males were being slaughtered by the han, all, save russia, little hungary will also be preserved as an example of that rarified breed of man who kept his head while all about him were losing theirs. in this case, literally as well as figuratively. an enclosure will be made to house hungary so she can be admired as a specimen of a splendid bygone europe that once was, but for reasons unexplained went irreversibly mad and perished from the earth mostly by their own hand before being mercifully finished off by the mandarin hoard.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 6:29 AM  

But this damned thing that faces us, Vox--it's like walking on the edge of a knife. And frankly, I hardly know anyone able to walk it.

You may be right. But that is the only path I see out that does not involve the usual solution to these scenarios. Which, of course, is why I assume there will be war in the USA, and, to a lesser extent, in Europe.

The prize is where the power lies.

Get over yourself. I've followed you for years, and have been kicked out of many circles because I've put into practice what you write about. Save rhetoric for your enemies. I was trying to have a damned conversation.

(laughs) Oh, the irony. The point is that your feelings, and my feelings, are totally irrelevant with regards to the strategic and grand strategic situation. So resist the urge to let your emotions color your rational mind.

Blogger Johnny November 28, 2016 6:30 AM  

The reason Nazism won't go away is that the other side keeps bringing it up. It is the secular equivalent of the devil and, you know, they are against the devil. It is their great moral mission.

Just watching things unfold, what I find most remarkable is the pure insular arrogance of populist lefties you see on TV. More than anything they are the reason Trump won.

That potty mouth Jon Stewart is trying to convert himself into a more serious analyst of events. I wonder if there will be any change in the rest of them now that they got the shock therapy of Trump win.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 6:32 AM  

There's a difference between speaking as an observer, and speaking as a moralist. It took me a while to get it.

It may help to note that when I use an objective tone and say "this will happen" or "one has to do this", I am speaking as an observer about the situation as I see it. If I use a personal tone and say "we should do this" or "it is good to do that", I am in moralist mode.

Blogger James Dixon November 28, 2016 6:32 AM  

> “Having spent the last three or four months on the campaign trail, it opens your eyes to the everyday anxieties and financial stress people are facing,”

This, a thousand times. Globalism has absolutely destroyed small towns and cities across the country. There simply is no manufacturing base left. Now even the former reliable bases of lumbering and mining are being legislated out of existence. The only legal jobs left are service jobs and government jobs.

Trade policies which will stop the destruction and allow the manufacturing base to be rebuilt are the only peaceful way forward.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore November 28, 2016 6:32 AM  

Opponents of the SJWs attacking the "ultras" and "neo-nazis" is exactly what the conservative movement did in purging its "extreme" elements. And while this purge was occurring, the Democrats allowed for their extremists to have a influencing role in their party.

Blogger Stilicho November 28, 2016 6:36 AM  

Well, to start with there aren't enough Nazis to be effective although the few out there can be useful for taking enemy fire and causing the enemy to focus on them while we keep moving and taking ground.

The Trump win wasn't as a result of a massive shift in our favour, it was a blitz around the Maginot line to take Paris. The left expected another futile and bloody assault against their fortified lines. Trump ignored their expectations and went through Belgium.

Right now the (((left))) is focused on "nazis" while even a cuck like Moore has joined the assault against the left that is coming through Congress. A second prong of attack is coming through executive orders. Those two are somewhat obvious, if necessary nonetheless. What the (((left))) doesn't see coming is the attack on them through the people. The white and working class folks who voted for Trump plus their friends and relatives who didn't vote, and perhaps a few who reluctantly voted for hildebeast. That attack will be a populist, patriotic attack against the anti-American media, politicians, and self-elite globalists who reveal themselves and their true colors in their opposition to Trump. It is an attack at the moral level of war and the (((left))) won't see it coming for all the same reasons they are currently lying to themselves about the reasons Trump won.

Anonymous dingo_twitter November 28, 2016 6:42 AM  

The problem with outspoken ‘moderates’ isn’t that they’re so rational that it makes us ‘extremists’ mad.

The problem is that they’re easily swayed and shamed. They are men of the moment, they are historically meaningless. They derive their identity from being the mean. They are the oh-so-rational-and-above-it-all even as they cower and disavow the position they held a day ago. They are conservatives who just want to conserve the now; no matter what ‘now’ is. They have no convictions. No real belief. They are empty vessels. They are ahistorical. ‘OMG can’t we just get past ‘race’ already guys and get back to, you know, NORMAL’. As if getting ‘past race’ was ever normal in any society outside of the crumbling marxist/lib ones.

They are the big talking commenters in this thread frothing at the three evil Neo-Nazis they have ever heard of. But they will be easily convinced that it isn’t just Weev and Anglin who are bad, it is also TRS, Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, Molyneaux, Vox, LePen, Orban, Putin and whoever else the media tells them is the Nazi in disguise. The forces of disruption to ‘right now’ are their enemies. Notice they always signal about hating SJWs as much as the racists; that they were totally liberal until the SJWs sideswiped them from the left. They are, like, so totally in the middle that they’ve just GOT to be right brah. Weimar is safe with these patriots ready to smash the fash.

The Eternal Normie can never be trusted. Every historical movement over the last thousand years that has eradicated them did so for good reason. And it was never because they were too rational.

Blogger Sherwood family November 28, 2016 6:43 AM  

Trump's election gives me hope. There are enough who realize the extent of the sickness that we may yet be able to lance the boil and drain the pus before the limb grows so gangrenous that only amputation will do.

But lancing it is going to hurt. There will be blood and filth and it will take time to drain. But the alternative is so much worse.

Let's not worry about those advocating more radical approaches. So long as they continue affirming that there is infection and sickness then we are on the same page.

It is against those who say that everything is fine, that there is no necrotic matter, and the smell of rot is not present, that we need to turn our attention.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 6:44 AM  

Get over yourself. I've followed you for years, and have been kicked out of many circles because I've put into practice what you write about. Save rhetoric for your enemies. I was trying to have a damned conversation.

(laughs) Oh, the irony. The point is that your feelings, and my feelings, are totally irrelevant with regards to the strategic and grand strategic situation. So resist the urge to let your emotions color your rational mind.

Okay, you're wrong. Feelings are not irrelevant, especially when it comes to the strategy. That is why God gave us rules for when we are not at war with one another. Speaking with charity, for example--particularly to allies. Besides, this isn't the military. It's your personal blog, and you know a lot of us.

Look, keep laughing. I know where this is going. If you want people to just keep agreeing with you in the com box, then I'm just being an annoying gadfly. You say "that is the only path I see," and yet you dismiss fresh new ideas as irrelevant. You're older now, more set in your ways. I'll just take Fenris Wulf's advice and "speak as an observer" from now on. I was mistaken to think I could contribute any ideas. At all.

So just keep calling us whiners. Not a good way to keep allies, if you ask me. But I'm irrelevant. Clearly.

As to this post's topic: Constitutionalism failed. So why continue to return to it? Or why even return to what the Founders had in mind? Is it even possible to consider the next step? Something different and better?

Blogger peter blandings November 28, 2016 6:47 AM  

The only legal jobs left are service jobs and government jobs.

neither of which produce a single iota. to live you must produce and you must sell. service cannot be eaten. government is an abstraction providing neither sustenance nor shelter.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable November 28, 2016 6:48 AM  

Right now the far-right neo-Nazi component is small and effectively powerless in the U.S. The way to give it power is to waste productive time talking about it, fearing it, and losing perspective over the fight with the Left. You cannot fight a war on two fronts, and you don't have to if you choose sensibly.

The alt-right is in danger of adopting the current media frame by making Spencer and his gang the focus at a time when Hillary still needs to be prosecuted, the wall needs building, immigration needs to be slowed to a trickle and white women need to start having babies.

The Left would love us to do that.

I suggest we all STFU about Richard Spencer, etc. and move on to more productive uses of our time.

Blogger Phillip George November 28, 2016 6:57 AM  

/Chaos is the opportunity to teach sanity a lesson;


I believe in God the Father almighty;
and in Christ Jesus His only Son, our Lord,
Who was born from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary,
Who under Pontius Pilate was crucified and buried,
on the third day rose again from the dead,
ascended into heaven,
sits at the right hand of the Father,
whence he will come to judge the living and the dead;
and in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Church,
the remission of sins,
the resurrection of the flesh,
[life everlasting].

ISAAC NEWTON, PHYSICS, LAW, HISTORY OF EUROPE, JURISPRUDENCE, THE FUTURE, all flows out of those words like honey from a hive. This is just repetition. Revision. The oral viva. It's just another test.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 6:59 AM  

Look, keep laughing. I know where this is going. If you want people to just keep agreeing with you in the com box, then I'm just being an annoying gadfly. You say "that is the only path I see," and yet you dismiss fresh new ideas as irrelevant.

Yes, I'm laughing. I told you to stop being a child, and you responded with "get over yourself". That was a childish response.

You aren't presenting any fresh new ideas. You're snowflaking and emoting. Stop it.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 7:01 AM  

Right now the far-right neo-Nazi component is small and effectively powerless in the U.S.

Exactly. And the way to keep it that way is to win the war against the globalists and the Left, thereby rendering them unnecessary and irrelevant. Ironically, attacking them will only increase the chances that they will one day become a powerful force.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 28, 2016 7:08 AM  

I liked Reagan but lighting a candle every night by the picture of a guy who has been off the stage for thirty years is for losers.

Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 7:10 AM  

Vox,
As I said, your strategic insight is unquestionably flawless, and I can see (perhaps for the first time) how I might be seen as some kind of moderate (perish the damned thought!!!) but that is a misclassification due to the global overview most everyone has and the extremely tiny fraction of humanity I represent.

I am in no way a moderate. My primary concern is indeed the Islamic invaders, but my point is not easily understood for binary thinkers so I don't bother explaining it usually. I know you're well beyond a binary thinker, my point here is this:

The Nazis are a much tinier and smaller problem than the Islamists and as such merit less attention, but to me there is little difference between them and I'd happily bury them in the same mass grave.
I also realise that apart from my position being a minority because MPAI, it is not even definable to a simple sound bite, so there is little hope of it catching on.
I suppose the closest is Alt-West. A Ferocious Christianity that is openly warlike in the macro concepts and relatively libertine in the micro is perhaps the best way to describe me. Like much of my attitudes it is obvious this does not easily translate to even a small percentage of the population currently.

However:
1. One must try. If no one does we don't revolve as a race (white, yellow, red, human or whatever)

2. Some of us will rather die than compromise our principles. And not as a moderate, because he's always firing at his own side and eventually gets what's coming to him, but as a fanatic because the principle is simply worth killing and dying for.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 28, 2016 7:12 AM  

What nation is more genocidal than America? The Nazis are moderates in search of a kinder tradition; vegetarian Mein Kampf versus carnivorous Old Testament. The Roman salute is for multiculti imperial pussies.

Blogger Elder Son November 28, 2016 7:12 AM  

Well, there are those who want the whites marginalized into loathing self-hatred, or preferably dead. So choose your enemies wisely.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 7:15 AM  

18.peter blandings
Do you see China as being a future threat to Europe?
Some people see the muslims as a primary threat, others see the dindus, others the russians.
My point is that apparently some sort of evolutionary male self-defense mechanism was activated in the minds of some western men that makes us see enemies everywhere.
Should we act on this instinct, or is it nothing but paranoia(white male insecurity as liberals call it). Also, can we do anything about it? If we can't, doesn't that show white man's impotence in the face of the cycle of hystory(regardless of our IQ, which doesn't seem to amount to much in the end).

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 7:15 AM  

I am in no way a moderate.

I am, of course, well aware of that.

The Nazis are a much tinier and smaller problem than the Islamists and as such merit less attention, but to me there is little difference between them and I'd happily bury them in the same mass grave.

Look, they're not real Nazis. These guys couldn't tell you what the Treaty of St. Germain was, have never read the Munich Manifesto, and genuinely believe - I kid you not - that Nazis don't believe in welfare. They don't seek Lebensraum fur Deutschland.

They call themselves Nazis for one reason: they hate the Jewish globalists. Most of them, believe it or not, are fine with Israel.

So there is no principle involved here. Ignore the rhetoric, the cartoons, and the swastika frogs. It's all irrelevant. Focus on the actual enemy.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 7:18 AM  

"You aren't presenting any fresh new ideas."

True. My ideas are rather dusty. And, an American Monarchy is not a new idea at all, now that I consider your remark. Many of the Founding Fathers asked King George to rule the colonies directly. And, in fact, Adams, Hamilton, and Wilson believed that Parliament had usurped the King's powers. I suppose at that point, they felt justified to usurp even more power and just take the colonies.

However, American Monarchy is an idea that is new to you and most other people.

A king could dismantle the oppressive governmental leviathan, return power to civil society, ensure national unity, and strengthen religion and tradition. A monarchy can become an integral part of the non-governmental elements of national life, and many good and constructive changes will succeed because the king will be in the job for his entire life and because he will be handing this nation over to his offspring. It will be in the interest of the Royal Family--and, really, every American--for such a king to lay good long-term policies in a way that no mere politician with even eight years to play with could or can do.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 28, 2016 7:24 AM  

So the virtue signalers here on this thread won't be moving to the Northwest Republic?

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 28, 2016 7:28 AM  

As to this post's topic: Constitutionalism failed. So why continue to return to it? Or why even return to what the Founders had in mind? Is it even possible to consider the next step? Something different and better?

How about the Alt-Right? Including white nationalists? I mean, it has got a simple list of points to believe and everything!

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 7:29 AM  

39. Laramie Hirsch
An American Monarchy would be a good idea but it cannot be done.
Monarchies are established through conquering means.
Also monarchy=etno-nationalistic religious dictatorship. USA is too diverse for that.

Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 7:30 AM  


Some of you really are astonishing. You don't even rise to the level of generals fighting the last war. You desperately want to fight your grandfather's war just so you can cling to your feelings of moral superiority.


Absolutely correct. Though, to be fair, I have specifically told you that YOU are General material and that I am not. At best, I rise to the level of captain in a special ops team.
I realised this after reading Clausewitz and following your blog.

Given I too am +3SD+ I don't expect most of your readers to even understand your strategic aims and insights. It has been hard enough for me to accept the logical conclusion would be to make a general like you best aware of the abilities of a captain like me so that you could deploy him in the most effective way and be able to rely on him to get the job he's given done.

Your blog and its reach all the way to Trump is testament to this. But those of us who can accurately understand our level of ability and role are assets too if used correctly.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 28, 2016 7:30 AM  

What part of God-Emperor is anti-monarchist, Laramie Hirsch?

Blogger rumpole5 November 28, 2016 7:30 AM  

Reagan's party WAS a white nationalist party. Have you ever heard of "Reagan democrats" who do you think they were?- Zulus? Why do you think crowds started chanting "USA, USA!" during the Reagan years. The first Superman movie perfectly expressed the Zeitgeist of Reagan's era, VIZ: "truth, justice, and the AMERICAN WAY". The Bushes and the neocons hijacked Reaganism and distorted it into "a new world order".

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 7:32 AM  

@42

It can be done. We just need to spread the idea of it. We just need to think about it and ponder it more. Openly.

At this point, most Americans have an almost genetic hate for monarchy. But look at how the Alt-Right came about. We can do it. As Vox has often said, think about the long game.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 7:34 AM  

@44

Hey, I'm loving Trump. This was the best damned election cycle I've ever seen. If he does any part of what he says he's gonna do, it will be glorious. We'll get to take away something for a change.

However, Trump will not fix everything. Our problems are only going to become more compounded. I mean...consider the fact that Vox keeps warning us about racial civil war. If Trump was the savior of American history, we wouldn't be worrying about that.

Blogger Some Dude November 28, 2016 7:39 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OP--ZXOjc

Blogger Elder Son November 28, 2016 7:39 AM  

Just think of the AltRight of restoring everything back to its natural states of tongues and nations. Or, you can have the resurrected Babel.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 7:39 AM  

46.Laramie Hirsch
USA has become a great technological power because of its practicality in incorporating ideas.But also its diversity of ideas it is what corrupted it. There are so many whacky ideas in the USA, what makes you think people will consider yours any different. USA is a relativistic society, it does not take anything seriously.
The only way to install monarchy is through conquering.

Blogger dienw November 28, 2016 7:44 AM  

Well, to start with there aren't enough Nazis to be effective

George Soros former member of the SS and looter of bodies, has been very effective.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 7:45 AM  

@50 People will take it seriously once things have collapsed utterly. This is the long game I am talking about. When population centers have become feral dens of hedonistic zombies, when every police officer and military man is compromised and on the take, and when we have presidents and senators shooting at one another in Congress or the White House--without fear of arrest--when that day comes, and the remaining remnant of "pseudo" leadership decides they'd rather keep the country together than be torn apart in the streets...that'll be the day people turn to monarchy.

I argue that it is at this early stage that we need to put the idea out there and to let it germinate.

Blogger Elder Son November 28, 2016 7:49 AM  

Will our new king be White, Black, Brown, Yellow? And will we get to call him "Your Majesty"?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 28, 2016 7:55 AM  

I think Moore finally figured out he was long out of date and people were laughing at him, not with him.

If anything it shows the Right can change, but the Left is ossified. Williamson in NR even got close to that truth, a party/org/cultural force ran by and for crazy white bitches and their hag fag accomplices. (Think Cher on her 77th birthday and plastic surgery being only photographed in soft light)

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 7:55 AM  

52. Laramie Hirsch
When things break down and chaos ensues, then Pablo Escobar type figures appear, you know the warlord that is also a man of the people, he will seize power and then after murdering all of his rivals you will get your monarchy.(Btw he will probably be mexican, because by the time USA crashes whites will be a minority in USA)

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 7:58 AM  

@53

That's where Vox's strategy comes in. I never said anything about not having white dominance in America. Only to recognize that universalism is not the enemy, but a side issue. A major one, yes. But a side issue.

An American king must craft a new narrative that is far more inclusive than the narrative of the old United States. Soverigns have often presided over radically different and even hostile ethnicities, religions, and cultures. But it will have to be that new narrative--that new culture, and a specific religion (not generic Christianity)--that will bind the people together.

The browns wanna play the identity politics game, fine. Oblige them. But it's a tactic, not a strategy. Encourage whites to stop being degenerates and to start breeding virtuous families. Yet don't condemn people who aren't uptight about the race issue.

We've never seen Universalism in a good way before. It's an abused trick by the Left. Disarm the identity politics tricks of the left by installing a truly universal identity and culture. Not this bullshit we have now.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 28, 2016 7:58 AM  

I hear it in my family,Spencer is a nazi and the leader of the alt-right. One of my responses is to ask, do you think I am a nazi? I also have told that there is no leader in the alt-right, that there are leaders, prominent people but no leader. Spencer may be a lighting rod but the focus by MSM is negatively affecting people trying to grasp alt-right.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir November 28, 2016 7:58 AM  

"There is absolutely NOTHING about the conservative and constitutional programs that will relieve the internal stresses that are already pushing the USA to the snapping point."
Indeed. And don't forget that Reagan was the vehicle by which the neocons wormed their way into power.

Blogger peter blandings November 28, 2016 8:01 AM  

@37bumbaru
Do you see China as being a future threat to Europe?
Some people see the muslims as a primary threat, others see the dindus, others the russians.


china is THE threat to everybody. muslims are not a primary or existential threat. only lack of will prevents us from eliminating them in one week. the russians are only a threat if we continue to provoke them unto a faretheewell. putin keeps offering his friendship and we spit on it. u.s. is run by imbeciles. china is the only country on earth that could absorb a nuclear exchange and they are perfectly willing to do so. they have said as much, and i take them at their word, especially since observable circumstances corroborate that word.

muslims, mexicans, negroes, all are a threat only to the extent that we lack the will to swat the fly. and we have lacked it, and now there is a war on. there is no paranoia here. paranoia is an irrational fearfulness of imagined enemies with no basis in reality. what we are facing is very real and you would have to be irrational and mentally ill not to be fearful of the situation we have put ourselves in. the above mentioned annoyances have been allowed to multiply into serious problems because of the west's collective guilt complex. now, china can take her time, or she can act tomorrow morning. but our internal problems, of our own making are approaching existential magnitude. the fact that half the voters chose hrc is not at all encouraging. it means half our own people have lost their minds and we will have to fight them.

can anything be done about it? good question. i like that you referred to the cycle of history. i call it the life cycle of empire, and we are long in the tooth, so perhaps not. but then rome lasted a thousand years and had many near death experiences. if the men of the west rise up now, maybe they can continue on for a while, but not as a true world power. so much has been lost.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 8:02 AM  

@55

When things break down and chaos ensues, then Pablo Escobar type figures appear, you know the warlord that is also a man of the people, he will seize power and then after murdering all of his rivals you will get your monarchy.(Btw he will probably be mexican, because by the time USA crashes whites will be a minority in USA)

Then let the whites have our own Escobar. But I say, this man should have good virtues. Let this man go in the direction that I am putting forth here, this morning. Let what I am talking about be his ultimate end.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir November 28, 2016 8:03 AM  

@3. VD
That's the nub of the issue.

Blogger Jack Ward November 28, 2016 8:05 AM  

You know how everyone likes to cite the famous quote about generals fighting the last war?

What was that quote about generals fighting the last war? I'm really interested in knowing.

Blogger peter blandings November 28, 2016 8:08 AM  

@lame hirsch
anybody who utters the word "inclusive" is a cuck and needs to be excised.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 8:10 AM  

@63

So, would you like all the browns here to continue to be ostracized and kept on the outside of society as outliers? Or are you hoping to kill them all off?

I tire of thug culture, myself. Reign them in. Have a king reign over them.

Blogger Fenris Wulf November 28, 2016 8:11 AM  

Hardcore National Socialists are rabidly collectivist and anti-Christian. They have zero chance of creating a mass movement in the U.S.

The Left would have us believe that every white person is a cauldron of barely suppressed rage, one step away from putting on a hood and lynching the nearest minority. It's not even remotely true. In fact, they've gone to extreme lengths to overcome our peaceful nature by relentlessly provoking and humiliating us.

A LOT of things have to go wrong before we end up in a race war. Even then, most of us are capable of defending ourselves without turning into Nazis. White Americans at their worst are more civilized than Muslims, Africans, or Mexicans at their best.

There are plenty of non-violent tactics we haven't tried yet. Or rather, what the Left calls "non-violent." We can organize right-wing students to shut down leftist professors. We can occupy the offices of left-wing foundations. We can organize poll watchers to politely inform people of Mexican descent that they are no longer permitted to vote in our elections. We can adopt some of the tactics used by trade unions. The Left spent the past century legitimizing these tactics and avoiding prosecution, and we can do the same.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir November 28, 2016 8:11 AM  

Such alarm over the neo-Nazis! The (((basket of predictables))) are signalling to us.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 28, 2016 8:13 AM  

Universalism--what we will witness if we get to Heaven--is not an enemy. It is a side effect of getting closer to God.

Progressivism in a nutshell.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 8:15 AM  

59. peter blandings
I know this will sound overly simplistic, but if you would stop think about it. The only thing that this cultures(with the excpetion of russia) have over us is the demographics factor. In my honest opinion all this paranoia will go away if every white could would just have 4 to 7 kids each. I believe it is unnatural for the human species to 1-2 kids per couple & I believe nature makes us paranoid because of it.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 8:16 AM  

@67

So, you propose that there is a black Heaven, a white Heaven, a Hispanic Heaven, and so on?

Don't mistake me for a man who endorses interracial marriage commercials. That's not who you're talking to. I'm not a progressive or a globalist--unless we're talking about the worldwide reign of the Kingship of Christ, of course.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 28, 2016 8:19 AM  

The establishment is begging to be discredited, but some fame whore went back to the flame and here we are. Spencer is yet another far right clown assuming the trajectory and path already blazed by the likes of T J Ready (suicide) Bill White (Fed Pen), what can you do about them? Not a whole lot I am afraid.

Blogger Wanderer November 28, 2016 8:19 AM  

the management wrote:You don't see the left signaling against BLM, SJW, and La Raza rioters waving Communist and Mexican flags, do you? And they actually exist and have influence in the real world.

You don't see the left winning either, do you? Their failure to reign in their retarded extremists is what lead to the rise of the alt-right and Donald Trump.

Blogger Dave Narby November 28, 2016 8:20 AM  

"Some of you whine that there are Nazis and ultras and neos and extremists in the Alt-Right. That's right. There are. And those are precisely the radicals who will rapidly come to the fore if Trump, the nationalist elite, and the Alt-Right fail to reduce the internal stress, the globalists return to power, and the balkanization scenario begins to play out."

Ow. Troof hurts. Preparation H futures just jumped.

However, I'm not so sure a bit of Balkanization is a bad thing. Voting with your feet works, and makes failures and successes in governance unmistakable and irrefutable.

Anonymous Sam the Man November 28, 2016 8:23 AM  

I may be living in an alternate reality but :

1) I have seen no NAZIs in any way in the US in my entire life, other than a few oddballs who have been defeated by life and cling to it as a method of self delusion that they are something. They are sad folks, they are small in number and by attaching themselves to a defeated ideology they are simply seeking attention.

2) There is no place I have been where it was socially acceptable to be a NAZI. No one defends them on the right or the left. The quickest way to get fired of marginalized is to say you are a NAZI.

3) It is socially acceptable to be a Marxist utopian. They exist in large numbers at every college campus. They advocate the same sort of mono-belief system and are truly dangerous. They seek a dictatorship of the left and a rejection of things west. The left does not reject those groups.

4) Feminism as practiced in the US of A is a variant of communist subversion, which no one on the left and few on the right will disavow. As in destroy civilization understructure leaving a society open to a new ideology.

5) Islam as it is being practiced today, is a danger to the west, yet no one on the left will call it as such.

6) Crony capitalism as practiced today is neither free market or capitalism, it is something akin to the late roman era when the elites managed the economy to their own advantage, created the serf class and ultimately destroyed Rome from within.

So virtue signaling how folks hate NAZIs is silly. The real dangers are all around us and need attending to. The only reason the left is seeking Nazis here and there is to discredit the right.

Can we get back to discussing Moore and what this new populist party will look like?

Blogger Salt November 28, 2016 8:23 AM  

VD wrote:But this damned thing that faces us, Vox--it's like walking on the edge of a knife. And frankly, I hardly know anyone able to walk it.

You may be right. But that is the only path I see out that does not involve the usual solution to these scenarios.


When has it ever been done? A path that did not involve the usual scenarios? Threading a needle with rope or making an omelet without breaking any eggs.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 28, 2016 8:26 AM  

This OP & discussion are very instructive as an illustration of not what, but HOW people think.

Everywhere we see a search for, or people clinging to, a single underlying paradigm that will make coherent the chaos they see around them.

We had communism, then The God That Failed. We had democracy, then Democracy, the God That Failed.

We had Muh Constitution, and Constitutionalism, the God That Failed, and of course we had Progressivism, which might be called God, the God That Failed.

The tumult of life now is simply the normal increase in chaos occurring when one prevailing monocultural belief system transitions to a different one in the long sine-wave curve of human social behavior. The monoculture doesn't drive actions, it simply rationalizes them.

I don't know any more than the next man what comes next, but I concur with VD that those who cling to past forms (the Universalist Cult or its faux competitor, constitutionalism/"conservatism") not only are doomed, they're doomed to portray the Keystone Kops version of defeat.

Blogger peter blandings November 28, 2016 8:32 AM  

@68
why do you keep talking about paranoia? what did i just tell you? the threat is as real as it gets. and when you say have 4 to 7 kids it tells me that you have NO IDEA how late in the day it is for the west. there is no time for that bullshit. the fight is here now today this minute. i don't know what you mean by demographics. race? china is a 1.3 billion unit monolith with only one race, one culture, one will. i hate to quote mao but at a certain level quantity is a quality all its own. you're just not getting it at all. nothing is going to "go away". it has to be driven out or eliminated. period, end of story. don't ever say the word paranoia again. it identifies you as a fool.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 8:33 AM  

75. dc.sunsets
Everywhere we see a search for, or people clinging to, a single underlying paradigm that will make coherent the chaos they see around them.
This is not chaos, it is just Tiamat yawning

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 8:34 AM  

@74 Dunno, Salt. I don't know everything. But I can look it up.

@75 Everywhere we see a search for, or people clinging to, a single underlying paradigm that will make coherent the chaos they see around them.

Christian Monarchy, I tell you. It's a model based on the government of Heaven itself. It can get us out of this hell.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 28, 2016 8:35 AM  

@59 I concur. The Chinese (both its leaders and its larger social context) clearly in my mind expect to inherit the Earth. If the world is made into a single ecological niche from the perspective of humans, the Chinese clearly believe all competitors eventually will be extinct.

It astonishes me to watch, over the course of centuries, the most effective competitor to East Asia continuously damage itself via internecine warfare.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 28, 2016 8:39 AM  

The far right is doomed as well, I know them better than most here. Take Spencer's latest at Radix, the usual "News" about the latest "Daily Outrage" and then dozen of feckless tough talk comments. The far right is mainly a scam with no strategic goals or vision, none except to cough up a fame whore for entertainment every so often.

Free speech for whites is a strategic goal, then when it is achieved it becomes the operational art to achieve the 14 Words.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 8:42 AM  

76. peter blandings
I know the chinese are dangerous, it's just yesterday I saw these little girls being yelled at by a taxi driver, but when I looked a little closer they were full grown chinese women. They are not the type of people that give you bad vibes.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 28, 2016 8:42 AM  

The Bushes and the neocons hijacked Reaganism and distorted it into "a new world order".

That's true, and I've made the same argument, but it doesn't seem effective, so I think I'm going to give it up for the most part. It's true that Reagan's conservatism was more of a small-town, pro-family conservatism than the Bush type, not that much unlike Trumpism -- that's why the GOPe opposed Reagan so much in 1980 and before. But Reagan did bring in the supply-side economics, the strengthened military, and the immigration amnesty that all led directly into the ascendancy of the Bushes and their globalist neo-cons. I don't think Reagan intended any of that, but he did it, so it's a distinction that's lost on most people.

You can put one of Reagan's (or Buchanan's) great speeches up against one of Trump's, and other than Trump not being nearly the orator, you'll find a lot of similar themes. Reagan even used MAGA, and America First is pretty much the same thing. But most people hear Reaganism and think of 80s consumerism, tax cuts for the rich, and fighting bad guys around the world. The rest has been lost, so the brand is lost along with it. We're just going to have to come up with a new name for it, Trumpism or something else.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 28, 2016 8:42 AM  

It's a model based on the government of Heaven itself.

There is already a model based on the government of Heaven in place. Or don't you trust the Monarch of the Air?

My point is your model can be on Jesus Christ's sovereignity, and you'll still end up with a model in a fallen world. That is the bit about "no ideal forms..." only broken ones.

The best way forward, therefore, is Alt-Right with nazis.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 28, 2016 8:45 AM  

@78 Christian monarchy. Fine. I'm all good with that as the next monoculture, but if you look at history (again) you'll see that it still fails to fulfill the point I'm making.

There is no set-and-forget, get-this-right-and-we're-set-forever kind of monoculture. It's just the window dressing on whatever much-deeper condition is operative at that time. These swings play out across time frames far too long for a man to grasp, given his life will occur entirely within a trend, or (if he's "lucky" like us) with one foot in a dying trend and the other foot in the chaos of an emerging trend.

To me, this OP is all about suggesting people stop arguing about the specific Narrative and grasp the deeper context of trend change. The twenty true neo-Nazis on the Internet are but a dust mote on which fools focus and over which fools argue.

The real answer, the one about which I obsess, the one I can't yet see, arises from the question: "What social phenotype will emerge when society's DNA (genotype) shifts from manic optimism & inclusion to the rage and fear of its polar opposite?"

Blogger Duke Norfolk November 28, 2016 8:46 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:...that'll be the day people turn to monarchy.

I never, ever (ever, ever) thought I'd say this, but I'm actually entertaining the idea of monarchy in the U.S. (or whatever future country houses our nation). I'm far from sold on it, and I have much study and thinking to do on the concept, but it's intriguing, to say the least.

Any good reading you can recommend? I know Hans-Hermann Hoppe touched on it.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen November 28, 2016 8:49 AM  

The Gipper is dead. Viva la Ripper.

It's a simple progression from executive hair to toupe to scalping.

Anonymous Warped November 28, 2016 8:52 AM  

@64. Laramie Hirsch

There are many examples of high IQ and well outstanding brown people. Ted Cruz, does not have the temperament or education to be a leader, but as a foot soldier he is more passable than 75% of congress. However, he did not come around to it by being stuck in hellish ghettos. If anything the solution to breaking the identity politics of brown, black, or other skin colors is probably to make sure they don't congregate in one area. All the crime happens when those who would prefer identity to anything else are congregated in small pockets. Make them disperse first then watch the good ones rise to the top. The others will fade away.

It is no coincidence that all the big cities voted blue and the places with lowest population density per square kilometer were entirely red.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 28, 2016 8:53 AM  

When has it ever been done?

In retrospect, the breakup of the USSR was surprisingly peaceful. I'm sure many people in subject nations expected to die fighting the Soviets all the way to the border, and then one day they just went away because they couldn't pay for it all anymore. (I know there was violence in spots, but there could have been far more in the breakup of a nuclear empire).

If the US empire can end and partition into smaller, homogeneous nations as peacefully as that, we'd have to consider ourselves lucky.

Blogger wreckage November 28, 2016 8:57 AM  

@11, no, I was talking about what kinds of things trigger flashpoints; nothing to do with ideals.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 9:00 AM  

@83 My point is your model can be on Jesus Christ's sovereignity, and you'll still end up with a model in a fallen world.

Perhaps. But as we Americans say, "It's the best government out there." I mean, when we argue for the West, we are arguing for Christendom. And what sustained Christendom for a millenium? Catholic Monarchies. A thousand years isn't a bad track record.

@84 It's just the window dressing on whatever much-deeper condition is operative at that time. These swings play out across time frames far too long for a man to grasp

Yes. Which is why I propose we aim for something that's been tested for a thousand years, which was my previous point.

"What social phenotype will emerge when society's DNA (genotype) shifts from manic optimism & inclusion to the rage and fear of its polar opposite?"

Here, you're talking about those snowflake feelings that Vox earlier said are totally irrelevant. I say, a king and his enforced culture can guide that rage and fear away from something destructive. Noble, gallant, measured conduct that was proscribed to us in Scriptures can guide us away from a zombie apocalypse. A reliable and regal culture can instill such behavior.

@85 This "irrelevant" book, here: http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-kingdom-of-catolica-america-part-4.html

@87 If anything the solution to breaking the identity politics of brown,

Fine. That's fine. Just realize that there's something even bigger than that battle that we can focus on.

Although, with a good king and a decent culture, we can have a type of universalism that isn't a fake piece of shit, like we have now. We can have something tolerable and even pleasant.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 28, 2016 9:00 AM  

All of this talk of TEH MONARCHY!!11!! and no Wheeler?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 28, 2016 9:01 AM  

I am -4 SD and yet I can follow VD. Some of you just like to get in your own way.

Anonymous Another Rod November 28, 2016 9:01 AM  

Jesus was a Jew.

Jesus was Israel-First.

Jesus was a Neocon.

Reagan, National Review, Bill Kristol, Glenn Beck were all neocons against fascism. They all supported the Jews and Israel.

If you Alt-Right "Christians" choose Trumpian fascism, then you are the enemies of Christ, Jews and Conservatism. Pure and simple.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 28, 2016 9:01 AM  

Okay, I'm out. Checking back in in about 14 hours. Hope y'all had fun.

Anonymous Warped November 28, 2016 9:04 AM  

@88

If the US were to go the way of the former satellites, it would not be a blessing for anyone. It left most those countries weak and unable to fight off real invaders who are grouped in bigger numbers than them like the current Muslim invasion. Any time one of them gets uppity like Georgia, Russia will put a boot in them to remind them that Russian interests are best interests, no matter the assault from any other opposition.

If we are to survive any chance at surviving against juggernauts like China, we need an equally as powerful force.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 28, 2016 9:05 AM  

Nazis, nazis, NAZIS!1!

At a (Clan Rally) or a (Nazi Rally) there are 20 members. 1 member is a true believer, 1 is a rahtard, and the other 18 are federal agents.

That is the Clan and the Nazis in a nutshell people. Quit foaming at the mouth about them.

Besides, Mrs. Cimmerian fills out her Nazi uniform quite well. And there is nothing like a garter and stockings underneath a Hugo Boss design. That man knew snappy fashion.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 28, 2016 9:08 AM  

The Romans had an even stronger aversion to kings than Americans do, yet they happily made Caesar more powerful than most kings, as long as he didn't wear a crown and call himself one.

There's probably a good chance that we end up with a tyrant or tyrants, whether we call them kings, presidents, or something else. That would be a far cry from the kind of limited Christian monarchy Thomas Aquinas favored, though. I don't see a path directly to that from here, but perhaps after partition it could happen somewhere.

Anonymous Joe Blowe November 28, 2016 9:09 AM  

Another Rod wrote:Jesus was a Jew.

"Henceforth Jewish life was regulated by the teachings of the Pharisees; the whole history of Judaism was reconstructed from the Pharisaic point of view, and a new aspect was given to the Sanhedrin of the past. A new chain of tradition supplanted the older, priestly tradition (Abot i. 1). Pharisaism shaped the character of Judaism and the life and thought of the Jew for all the future. True, it gave the Jewish religion a legalistic tendency and made "separatism" its chief characteristic; yet only thus were the pure monotheistic faith, the ethical ideal, and the intellectual and spiritual character of the Jew preserved in the midst of the downfall of the old world and the deluge of barbarism which swept over the medieval world." - Jewish Encyclopedia

The Pharisees had Christ killed. Here is what Jesus had to say about the Pharisees -

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." - John 8:44 KJV

Blogger Chris Mallory November 28, 2016 9:11 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:@63

So, would you like all the browns here to continue to be ostracized and kept on the outside of society as outliers? Or are you hoping to kill them all off?

I tire of thug culture, myself. Reign them in. Have a king reign over them.


Before the Second Yankee Invasion during the "Civil Rights Era", Jim Crow worked quite well. Like it or not, the races should have different societies. Separate but equal worked.

Yeah a few negro criminals were turned into wind chimes, but it worked. Inclusion does not work. Desegregation does not work.


No King but King Jesus.

Blogger Dave Narby November 28, 2016 9:14 AM  

@VD "However, American Monarchy is an idea that is new to you and most other people."

Not I, but if you'll indulge (perhaps in a new blog post?) how is that materially different than a strongman?

I still hold a little Balkanization is a good thing. Moderation in all things, y'know.

Blogger Natalie November 28, 2016 9:14 AM  

Anyone wanting to build inclusive Christian monarchies is an idiot. The very fact that Heaven is (presumably) a place where God can order and rule all the peoples together in a happy city is PRECISELY why I tremble to think we could do it down here.

This wasn't an order given to the Apostles. There is no "inclusive melting pot on earth" mandate in Scripture.

God has put the co-mingling of nations at the very end of our history AFTER Satan has been defeated and cast down. This is the time when the lion and the lamb will lie down together, and only when I see the Heavens and the New Earth will I think it's time for the Syrian and the Chinaman and the Russian and the Nigerian to live together in perfect peace. What God has appointed as the culmination and pinnacle of history I tremble to think we can implement here on earth with our own fallen hands in our own timing and of our own will.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 9:16 AM  

If you Alt-Right "Christians" choose Trumpian fascism, then you are the enemies of Christ, Jews and Conservatism. Pure and simple.

You're a liar and a servant of your father, the devil. Jews are not on the side of Jesus Christ. Just ask them.

And we reject conservatism, National Review, and Bill Kristol.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 9:21 AM  

If anything the solution to breaking the identity politics of brown, black, or other skin colors is probably to make sure they don't congregate in one area. All the crime happens when those who would prefer identity to anything else are congregated in small pockets. Make them disperse first then watch the good ones rise to the top. The others will fade away.

Shut up and stop cucking. That's utterly idiotic and it's simply not an option when the non-white minorities are already approaching 50 percent. That's the solution when they are collective less than 2 percent. And you don't want the good non-whites to rise to the top. Because they still practice identity politics for the benefit of their tribe.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 9:22 AM  

So, would you like all the browns here to continue to be ostracized.

More than ostracized. Repatriated.

Reign them in. Have a king reign over them.

Imperialism is dead. Your ideas are not new. They are very old and they are irrelevant.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 9:23 AM  

Although, with a good king and a decent culture, we can have a type of universalism that isn't a fake piece of shit, like we have now. We can have something tolerable and even pleasant.

The fake-Nazis not only make a better case, they are considerably more based in reality. And they're only 70 years out of date.

Blogger Billy November 28, 2016 9:26 AM  

"so I don't bother explaining it usually", I see why you don't bother explaining it, because when you did it was stupid as hell

Blogger Salt November 28, 2016 9:31 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:When has it ever been done?

In retrospect, the breakup of the USSR was surprisingly peaceful.


Doesn't work. The USSR dissolved back to its inherent nature, being Russia and other states. If Russia had broken up, you'd have a point.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes November 28, 2016 9:32 AM  

There's no stopping the Alt Right. Even David Blaine has been regurgitating Kek.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables November 28, 2016 9:34 AM  

@60 "Let him have good virtues"
He won't because he can't. There may be a monarchy phase in the cycle. If your aspirant has good virtues, he will be among the rivals wiped out. With power consolidated into a unitary, the fight for it becomes all or nothing, and no holds barred and the victor can absolve himself of all sins, at least in this life. There is a reason men as brutal as Stalin rise to power in such regimes, and virtuous men cannot. That is the fundamental conflict of marxism with human nature that turns the utopian vision into a hell hole with gulags and no toilet paper. At best, the victor's grandson may be virtuous, but not the way to bet. Monarchy may still be better than what we have, but don't mistake the reality of what it means with an idealistic gloss. I prefer radical decentralization and division of powers, like the founders envisioned, but also recognize it has failed.

Anonymous PurpleMarquis November 28, 2016 9:35 AM  

Australia follows America, Britain and Europe down the globalist drainpipe. So America's salvation is crucial to our own. And NZ walks off the cliff with us... One wonders what the Rhodes men have been up to. Asleep at the wheel of ill intentioned?

We traded away our strategic car manufacturing industry in the globalist TPP deal and only Wikileaks was willing to tell us the truth of that local political betrayal. Ala rust belt familiarity.

Australia is most loyal to our British cousins of America, Canada and of course New Zealand. Always by your side when bullets fly.

We also have our own native population, and one wonders where they can fit. The custodians of the land, waiting for us to bring them white fella air conditioning, cars and groceries.

How can we cohabitate? Their expertise is not academia. How does a white society ethically and practically live with another people who have not passed through as many levels of genetic challenges as Europe and who's genetics remain in a more random state of non specialisation?

Can we keep our more worthy new arrivals? Or do they all need to go back for the greater good? Perhaps become transnationals who visit often for business, but their true home is with their own people...

Bless the cores of Brit-West-confederacy and Euro-West to rebound with a fourth revival of western civilisation as Quigly commented upon. I presume its what the Rhodes men are (or should) be trying to instigate. Lest our civilization collapse like all before.

May the God-Emperor lead us all back on track to united propserity that comes with service to family and nation.

Anonymous BGKB November 28, 2016 9:37 AM  

That covers everyone who is even remotely concerned about Nazis or Communists.

communism is the best way to explain to a normie what globalism is about, just the next order of magnitude of collectivism with a tiny elite.

The Neo Nazis better watch it, though. Violently ridding ourselves of them would be a very appetizing way to bring violent action into play

Even I acknowledge that they are the best fighters on our side against moslems, even if they would torch the gayborhood on the way out of town.

Do you see China as being a future threat to Europe? Some people see the muslims as a primary threat, others see the dindus, others the Russians

Moslems are no threat if they are properly understood, you just need a Gen Blackjack Pershing to kill a few dozen of them with pig blood every few generations. When people honestly discussed didndus they were only a minor threat. I think China will take over Africa first, especially if there is a rumor that didndu ovaries are the equivalent of rhino horn. We have to stop China from stealing tech to prevent it from being a problem.

When population centers have become feral dens of hedonistic zombies, when every police officer...is compromised and on the take

New Orleans and NYC were like that before Katrina.

OT: Rosie Cunt goes after TRUMPs youngest son. https://www.yahoo.com/news/rosie-o-donnell-clarifies-barron-101314419.html

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 9:38 AM  

Can we keep our more worthy new arrivals? Or do they all need to go back for the greater good?

No. With VERY few exceptions, they clearly cannot be trusted. The smarter and more effective they are, the more damaging they will be. Yes.

Blogger Student in Blue November 28, 2016 9:38 AM  

There's only two problems with the Neo-Nazis as allies.

The first and least important one is that they don't quite clearly understand the history of the Nazis. That's fine though, I'm not the most educated on it either and MPAI. I just wish they'd stop mentally equating Neo-Nazi with Core American Values.

They just don't seem to realize that it's only the Nationalism part that resonates with being American, not the Socialism part. But again, that's the least important.

The second is that they keep thinking their numbers are way higher than they actually are, and thus they keep thinking their ideals are the exact same ideals of the majority Trump voter, thus the ideals of a majority of America. Them believing they are in power causes them to believe they can start purging their own moderates, so they waste time attacking Alt-West and Alt-Lite.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 9:42 AM  

110. PurpleMarquis
Don't be so purple. I have heard the elites bought proprieties in NZ and Australia. I think you will have less problems with migrants than the other western countries.

Blogger Open Carry November 28, 2016 9:49 AM  

"You have ONE CHANCE to avoid the balkanization scenario, and that is by adopting the Alt-Right program ..."

What exactly is the Alt-Right program? 16 Points provide some general principles, but the program would presumably be more specific.

Anonymous JAMES November 28, 2016 9:50 AM  

The fashy larping types are tiny in number and have a hilariously inflated sense of their own importance.

But they are organising, they are meeting and compared to their forebears they seem remarkably anti-fragile.

They make entertaining podcasts as well.

Best of luck to em.

They might not go anywhere but I have a feeling they'll go further than most of the people virtue signalling against them.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 9:52 AM  

115. Open Carry
Brown/Black Flight

Anonymous AM November 28, 2016 9:53 AM  

@93 Was Jesus a Jew? It is better to say He is the Maker of Jews (and of all things), and Author of Judaism.

Was He an Israel-firster? Better, He is still an Israel-Firster, but expelled the Jews from Israel, which since His Passion is the Catholic Church, propagated on Earth chiefly by Aryan peoples.

Is He a Neocon? That's a new one to me. Everything in Judaism and Christianity is opposed to Zionism. (Hint: Protestantism is the first wave of the Jew-sponsored Great Apostasy, known also as Liberalism. Every Liberal premise exists whole and entire in Luther and Henry VIII. So what Evangoprots say Jesus wants -Neoconservatism - may not be an accurate model.)

Blogger tz November 28, 2016 9:58 AM  

If you Alt-Right "Christians" choose Trumpian fascism, then you are the enemies of Christ

The Alt-Right might actually end the Left's Abortion Holocaust.

CalExit is a form of repatriation.

You can't have conservatism among 100 million socialists.

And I doubt 5 million know the constitution, and many are anarcho-libertarians who don't want it.

Somehow the right hasn't noticed the reverse assimilation at gunpoint by the left. Being forced to bake gay wedding cakes is assimilate or die, but not to constitutional conservatism.

Anonymous BGKB November 28, 2016 10:06 AM  

Will our new king be White, Black, Brown, Yellow? And will we get to call him "Your Majesty"?

"Your Majesty" is my preferred pronoun so I guess it will be me.

Then let the whites have our own Escobar. But I say, this man should have good virtues.

Its unlikely but I have found your man:
No one's slick as Gaston No one's quick as Gaston No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Gaston's
For there's no man in town half as manly Perfect, a pure paragon! You can ask any Tom, Dick, or Stanley And they'll tell you whose team they prefer to be on

1) I have seen no NAZIs in any way in the US in my entire life

Have you looked under your bed? They & the Russians have a time share there.

there are 20 members. 1 member is a true believer, 1 is a rahtard, and the other 18 are federal agents

At the Oregon Bird sanctuary standoff there was at least 15 identified govt agents, and 9 that had charges brought against them. Even the gun range guy and Mama Jugs were agents.

Blogger tz November 28, 2016 10:12 AM  

Chuck Baldwin
I like the title
How Christians And Conservatives Are Destroying Our Republic

Anonymous VFMUltra November 28, 2016 10:13 AM  

For those of you whose "conservative" values did exactly nothing over the past 30 years except worsen every measurable standard of western civilization: the gun is to your head motherfuckers. Screw up this time and the Night of Long Knives will pale in comparison to what you'll have on your hands. For those of you seeing Nazis under your bed and in the shadows, fuck up again and watch as those figments of your imagination materialize before your eyes. Faggot keyboard rambos like The Kurgan doesn't understand the dynamics at play. Moderate doesn't equal majority.

Blogger michaeloh59 November 28, 2016 10:21 AM  

I suspect that our host's point may be that there IS is difference between the neo nostalgists and the Muslim Conquistas. That difference is that only one of them will help you oppose the Muslim Conquista horde.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 10:23 AM  

118. AM
Please, let's stop talking about Jesus on this forum. It is not as if though we are not sinful enough.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 10:25 AM  

123. michaeloh59
Neonazi=grunt. Every army needs its grunts.

Anonymous PurpleMarquis November 28, 2016 10:29 AM  

114. Bumbaru

Here, the city of General MacArthur's Pacific command has had a lot of expansion and some strange things. Local councils in the grip of UN Agenda 21. Apparently Jesuit Black Pope lives here. Zionists have a major presence poat USSR. And Prince Charles went to school for a year. So yeah, we are the command HQ well away from the radioactive cloud...

NZ south island is the best place for those rich enough to have personal air travel.

Australia is currently getting bitten by African immigration. Problems with gangs running around robbing. Problems never seen before. Hopefully the African experiment will go out of fashion before serious demographic damage can take hold.

God-Emperor willing.

PS purple is sovereignty, not pilled ;-)

Blogger Lazarus November 28, 2016 10:30 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I don't know any more than the next man what comes next, but I concur with VD that those who cling to past forms (the Universalist Cult or its faux competitor, constitutionalism/"conservatism") not only are doomed, they're doomed to portray the Keystone Kops version of defeat.

I have come to view all ideologies as regressive. Anything with the suffix "ism" is dead to me.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 28, 2016 10:31 AM  

God ended globalism st Babel. The globalist is fighting the same friction that every empire builder has faced since then, trying to build a civilization out of multiple nations. The only way to do it through conversion to the Body of Christ. They've tried to throw out Christ and hold onto Christendom. The reason we have so many moderates is because we are up to our necks in Churchian heretics.

Blogger Student in Blue November 28, 2016 10:32 AM  

@122. VFMUltra
Faggot keyboard rambos like The Kurgan doesn't understand the dynamics at play. Moderate doesn't equal majority.

Two corrections.

One, The Kurgan is not a "keyboard rambo". We know him and have known him for a bit now.

Two, you're right that moderate does not necessarily equal majority, but the Neo-Nazis are not the majority by any means.

@118. AM
Every Liberal premise exists whole and entire in Luther and Henry VIII. So what Evangoprots say Jesus wants -Neoconservatism - may not be an accurate model.

What you're trying to correct is a Churchian view, not a Protestant view.

Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 10:34 AM  

Look, they're not real Nazis. These guys couldn't tell you what the Treaty of St. Germain was, have never read the Munich Manifesto, and genuinely believe - I kid you not - that Nazis don't believe in welfare. They don't seek Lebensraum fur Deutschland.


Touché! This made me laugh out loud for a solid minute. You make an excellent point General Day.


They call themselves Nazis for one reason: they hate the Jewish globalists. Most of them, believe it or not, are fine with Israel.


Probably also correct.


So there is no principle involved here. Ignore the rhetoric, the cartoons, and the swastika frogs. It's all irrelevant. Focus on the actual enemy.


Once again.... it's why I said you're General material.
I do wonder at the differences in how we developed our personal philosophies. It's interesting.
You've certainly made the issue a lot more palatable in this short exchange.
It really is a fallen world. It's hard to know where to make your stand at times given the amount of sewage.

That said, this sort of dialague I think helps immensely.
Our natures may make us select slightly different hills to die on, but as long as we're facing the same side and preferably making the enemy die a lot more on their hills than we are on ours... all good.

But making each of us have a better grasp of where we fit in, be it as a foot soldier or a General is powerful in consolidating a wall of men that will not buckle at the first strong wind.

Thanks for the explanation Vox. One must try to at least understand why he fights at all levels of the war, not just the personal.

Anonymous fop November 28, 2016 10:34 AM  

Given I too am +3SD+ I don't expect most of your readers to even understand your strategic aims and insights.

Pardon me, genius, but being +3sd doesn't mean that people can't understand you. Sometimes it just means it takes us much longer.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 10:37 AM  

126. PurpleMarquis
For me, the dindu immigration is what I do not get. For what possible reason would any sane person would think that associating with them is a good idea. Do westerners think that there is a Barry White in every black, do you see them as pets, is it cuck porn, what?

Blogger Solaire Of Astora November 28, 2016 10:48 AM  

I've seen a few claims that nationalism or tribal separation contradicts Christianity. That myth is based on people mistaking the figurative for the literal. Being one under God does not mean there aren't different groups. The tribes of Israel were set up that way for a reason. The four images around God's vessel in Ezekiel were also four standards of four different tribes of Israel. The elect are separated by tribe. The millennial kingdom obviously lets nations remain separated, so much so that the Dragon is able to raise an army from among them. In Micah it is said that other nations are allowed to go their own way when the Messiah rules the world in the future. Unity without distinction is of Satan, not God. God creates life with actual diversity (aka not the leftist kind), but separate does not HAVE to lead to hatred. So for people who think the future of people looking out for their own is somehow bad for Christianity, just remember that there is a hierarchy of love, God > family > extended family > tribe > nation > humanity.

Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 10:52 AM  

VFM 6306
Lol. Sad but true. Forward with the Nazis... what a fucked up world.

Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 11:02 AM  

VFMUltra
Go back to finger-painting, retard.
1. You have no idea what you're talking about
2. You're absolutely incapable, structurally, of ever being able to understand what it is you have no idea about.
3. Projection is funny but only the first time. You've had your run now.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner November 28, 2016 11:04 AM  

Faggot keyboard rambos like The Kurgan

I thought I was the faggot keyboard rambo

Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 11:05 AM  

Fop,
So?
Your comment was a waste of space and time. Take a week and realise it. Save us the trouble from January on, ok?
Thanks.

Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 11:06 AM  

Far be it from me to take the title away from you. It's all yours. With sparkles on it I presume.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 11:09 AM  

What exactly is the Alt-Right program? 16 Points provide some general principles, but the program would presumably be more specific.

It will vary considerably from nation to nation. It is a philosophy and an ideology from which various theories and policies can be derived. The policy of an Alt-Right Hungary or Switzerland will differ in many ways from that of an Alt-Right Russia or USA.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative November 28, 2016 11:11 AM  

2016 is either 1860 or 1932.

We need to aim for 1932, but be ready for 1860. The best thing we can do is keep doing what we are doing. Pundits said that whites finally voted like an ethnic bloc in this election, but they are wrong. Look at the numbers, we have a way to go. So keep at it. And don't worry about the ultras - they keep the left stirred up, and leftist fascism is the best recruiter for the alt-right.

If we expand this new populist party just a little bit more, we can start thinking about constitutional amendments. If we can attain that level of super-majority and hold on to it for a few election cycles, we'll be where the Democrats were in 1932. And then the tables will be turned.

That's our best chance for a relatively peaceful resolution.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 28, 2016 11:19 AM  

When has it ever been done? A path that did not involve the usual scenarios? Threading a needle with rope or making an omelet without breaking any eggs.

Well, in the short to mid term, John Calvin kind of did it when his state burned Servetus at the stake.

It let the Catholics know he was serious and terrified any other anti-Calvinists from setting foot in his realm or at least from speaking out.

Servetus was a broken egg, of course, and so is mass deportation, so it isn't exactly "threading the needle," but more like "best omelet; fewest cracks."

Anonymous fop November 28, 2016 11:28 AM  

Show us on the doll where the Nazi touched you, genius.

Blogger Sheila4g November 28, 2016 11:28 AM  

As usual, every response I was going to make to Laramie Hirsch has already been made, and well, by others. He's foolishly trying to promote a Christian brotherhood of man under a God-King here on Earth, and because he envisions this as "Christian," calls it good.

@112 VD: "No. With VERY few exceptions, they clearly cannot be trusted. The smarter and more effective they are, the more damaging they will be."

This is VITAL, and is always ignored by those advocating a one-sided miscegenation campaign to "improve" the Negro race, or others. The Negro with the largest percent of White blood is generally the angriest, with the largest chip on his shoulder, and the most virulently anti-White. Enough intelligence to realize the darker part of his heritage is intellectually and civilizationally inferior, and furiously angry about it. Just "white" enough to see a few things clearly, but not white enough to be White, and therefore determined that no one else should be, either. Same goes for Indians (dot) and Chinese. For all those parents insisting their miscegenated children look and/or identify as White, I could present dozens of opposing examples. Especially once they marry and have children of their own. Every Jewish/Christian marriage I've been aware of began with the Jew claiming religion didn't matter, until suddenly the kids were born and then having a Jewish identity did matter, big time.

Anonymous Another Rod November 28, 2016 11:32 AM  

The fake-Nazis not only make a better case, they are considerably more based in reality. And they're only 70 years out of date.

Seriously? You’re either a fucking Russian or an Iranian. Maybe the Mossad or FBI needs to check you out.

Blogger kurt9 November 28, 2016 11:35 AM  

I'm not surprised. Most "conservatives" I know personally are fundamentally nationalists, nearly every single one of them.

There are things I agree and disagree with about Trump. I live and die by the supply side economics. However, if Trump is successful with his policies, he will convert the Republicans into an LDP-like "big tent" party that will likely rule for the next 40 years. The Democrats will be banished into the wilderness.

This is no bad thing at all, even if it is not "conservatism" as I identify with.

I agree if Trump fails that the alt-right "radicals" will become more active. Indeed, I can guarantee it because, even though I disagree totally with them, even I am sympathetic with them against the so-called elites that would continue in power if Hillary had been elected.

The real trouble starts when "moderates" like myself get pissed off enough that we support the radicals. The liberal-left are too stupid to understand this.

Blogger kurt9 November 28, 2016 11:39 AM  

Fundamentally, I believe in economic growth. Whatever Trumps policies are, they will be fundamentally pro-growth and that is all I care about.

The test for Trump is if he ends the current bout of croney capitalism (Elon Musk, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, etc.) as well as the interventionist foreign policy. If he ends these two things and is able to forge the GOP into a big tent party, he will go into the history books as one of the best presidents in American history.

Blogger Student in Blue November 28, 2016 11:40 AM  

@144. Another Rod
Seriously? You’re either a fucking Russian or an Iranian. Maybe the Mossad or FBI needs to check you out.

Because clearly Russian and Iranian love Nazis. It's in their history and everything. *eyeroll*

Now do you actually have a coherent objection or is it only "y-y-you've got to be kidding me!"? You do realize that "only 70 years out of date" is NOT an endorsement, right?

Blogger kurt9 November 28, 2016 11:40 AM  

BTW, the party of Reagan died a long time ago. It died the day George H.W. Bush took office in January of 1989.

Blogger Anonymous-9 November 28, 2016 11:48 AM  

******Some of you whine that there are Nazis... those are precisely the radicals who will rapidly come to the fore if Trump... and the Alt-Right fail to reduce the internal stress...*****

IMO, there's your core message when Nazis, et al, are mentioned. That there IS a firewall against violence and extremism, which is why the Alt Right is worth supporting. This point could use its own blog post and its own book. And memes, many memes.

Anonymous kfg November 28, 2016 11:56 AM  

@69 (Dude!): "So, you propose that there is a black Heaven, a white Heaven, a Hispanic Heaven, and so on?"

So, you propose that Earth is Heaven?

Blogger Open Carry November 28, 2016 11:59 AM  

VD wrote:
It will vary considerably from nation to nation.


I was interested in the alt-right program for the US.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 28, 2016 12:04 PM  

Some of us don't base our analyses or our strategic opinions on "thrills".

That's what video games, football, cocktail parties and other hobbies and recreation are for. Play a game, win or lose, get your thrills, have some fun. Then deal soberly with the real world.

It astonishes me to watch, over the course of centuries, the most effective competitor to East Asia continuously damage itself via internecine warfare.

You don't think the Chinese have done that to themselves too?

Blogger J.M. November 28, 2016 12:05 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:As usual, every response I was going to make to Laramie Hirsch has already been made, and well, by others. He's foolishly trying to promote a Christian brotherhood of man under a God-King here on Earth, and because he envisions this as "Christian," calls it good.

@112 VD: "No. With VERY few exceptions, they clearly cannot be trusted. The smarter and more effective they are, the more damaging they will be."

This is VITAL, and is always ignored by those advocating a one-sided miscegenation campaign to "improve" the Negro race, or others. The Negro with the largest percent of White blood is generally the angriest, with the largest chip on his shoulder, and the most virulently anti-White. Enough intelligence to realize the darker part of his heritage is intellectually and civilizationally inferior, and furiously angry about it. Just "white" enough to see a few things clearly, but not white enough to be White, and therefore determined that no one else should be, either. Same goes for Indians (dot) and Chinese. For all those parents insisting their miscegenated children look and/or identify as White, I could present dozens of opposing examples. Especially once they marry and have children of their own. Every Jewish/Christian marriage I've been aware of began with the Jew claiming religion didn't matter, until suddenly the kids were born and then having a Jewish identity did matter, big time.


As someone who has lived in Hispanic America (South America to be accurate) I can say that this needn't the be case. South America is not example for anyone but it's obvious that you are incapable of correctly assimilating race mixed people into the white genepool (ethnic subsumption) partly because your culture is sick. At least its modern iteration of it. Someone like Obama had he being born in let's say Brazil or Colombia would have never identified himself as Black but as a Mulatto or coloured and assimilated to the Western culture. The same goes for many Mulatoes and others that claim to identify themselves with the non-white part of the family.

American culture is a disease. And no, I don't advocate for the mixing of races or mass immigration before you or another fool starts asserting so.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes November 28, 2016 12:09 PM  

Allowing only the best and brightest to immigrate does seem superficially appealing. But if you think it through you realize two things:

1. It deprives the immigrant's native lands from retaining their best, with deleterious social consequences.

2. The best and brightest will be far more likely to agitate for social change. Low IQ Mestizos are fairly docile and easily lead. Their political force is inversely proportional to their numbers. Contrast them with high IQ jews, who at 2% of the American population are wildly, disproportionately influential.

It's the high IQ minorities that pose the biggest threat socially. The low IQ ones pose a threat too, but it's an economic one primarily.

Blogger Dave Narby November 28, 2016 12:10 PM  

@131

"Given I too am +3SD+ I don't expect most of your readers to even understand your strategic aims and insights.

Pardon me, genius, but being +3sd doesn't mean that people can't understand you. Sometimes it just means it takes us much longer."

Perhaps we need +4sd types here. Or at least those who give enough shits to learn how to communicate effectively.

Or maybe it's me... I've always had an immediate "fuck off" response to anything resembling the Appeal to Athouratah.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents November 28, 2016 12:12 PM  

Moore has spent much of his career advocating for huge tax and spending cuts and free trade. He’s been as close to a purist ideological conservative as they come, but he says the experience of traveling around Rust Belt states to support Trump has altered his politics.

Well, well, well, a think-tank type who can actually look around him at the data and change his opinion in response to what he sees. That's rare, and it is good news. A lot of cuckservatives have pretty much mumbled "Let them eat Twinkies" when presented with the same data. All the truck drivers, forklift operators, assembly line workers are supposed to learn Java and write killer apps, or something equally inane.

It is very good that Moore campaigned with Trump, saw first hand what his policies have done to a swath of the country, and came to some rational conclusions. Nobody should get the idea that onshoring production is going to be easy, or that it will return the US to the days of the 1960's. Factories are going to be more and more automated, anything built new will have more output for a given input of energy and raw materials, with fewer humans involved.

But there's still the huge trickle down effect. Take a town of 20,000 and put in a small plant that manufactures OEM parts for automobiles. There may be only 20 workers on the floor plus a handful of administrators, but the money they get ripples into the local economy. These are the kind of towns that Kevin Williamson wants to die, by the way.

Ron Paul and the TEA party was option A, Trump is option B, and anyone with a brain in their head doesn't want to see option C. There is an option D. We don't want to go anywhere near that.

Now, the question that should pop into everyone's head is this:

Where has Moore been for the last 25 years?

This crisis has been building since the 90's, maybe since the 80's, and Moore is an intelligent man. But it looks to me he's been stuck on "stupid" setting. All I can figure is he's truly an Acela Corridor type who truly has been looking at everything west of DC and east of Silicon Valley as some sort of mythic land where happy peasants dance around the Maypole, or something like that.

It's one thing to sit out here in flyover grumbling about elites who are as out of touch as Marie Antoinette, it's another thing to read an article that pretty much shows, yeah, they are that far out of touch with reality.

Ok, all you LARPrs, sorry for the distraction. Carry on.

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 28, 2016 12:22 PM  

It died the day George H.W. Bush took office in January of 1989.

But they held the funeral in Barney Frank's bordello, in July of '89, celebrating with a boy from Ipanema for the Washington Times.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 28, 2016 12:30 PM  

'even the hardcore economic-growth-at-all-costs conservatives".

Except it's myopic conspicuous statistics "conservatives", not "growth at all costs". Sure, millions of illegals allow retail, hospitality and agriculture to goose gdp; but the costs are counted elsewhere, not at all or perversely as GDP.

Open borders produces loads on school systems for bi-lingual education; causing employment for bi-lingual education teachers; the opportunity cost of the taxes that finance those activities aren't seen; we don't distinguish disease statistics at the CDC attributable to the illegals bringing in disease (as the husband of a nurse; I worry about the rise in TB and other diseases my wife might be exposed to unnecessarily) and of course the degradation of social harmony, such one sees when Mexican illegals raise the Mexican flag in protest or when Muslims agitate for a legal system that is subordinated to Sharia is never measured.

Open borders is the same sort of privatization of profit with the socialization of cost that people like Moore normally decry; but when academic economists create models predicated on the idea that people are fungible benign rational actors they have no recognition of or defense against the "blackboard economics" that the late Ronald Coase warned against.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 28, 2016 12:37 PM  

the management wrote:So much virtue signaling here over Nazis, neo Nazis, skinheads, whatever - as VD or someone said recently, why such angst over a dead, buried, and obsolete 20th century German political movement? The leftovers of these failed ideologies come pre-marginalized, don't waste time fighting the left's favorite strawmen.

You don't see the left signaling against BLM, SJW, and La Raza rioters waving Communist and Mexican flags, do you? And they actually exist and have influence in the real world.


It's not only the left one does not see denouncing BLM, SJW, and La Raza rioters waving Communist and Mexican flags who actually exist and have influence in the real world, while they virtue-signal against a dead, buried, and obsolete 20th century German political movement. A fair number of folks who describe themselves as right are busy doing this, which tells us something of where their actual loyalties lie.

Anonymous Bz November 28, 2016 12:38 PM  

"So, you propose that there is a black Heaven, a white Heaven, a Hispanic Heaven, and so on?"

That would be preposterous. The whites are obviously all going to hell.

Anonymous fop November 28, 2016 12:41 PM  

Perhaps we need +4sd types here. Or at least those who give enough shits to learn how to communicate effectively.

I've never felt that the onus was on the genius to communicate down. Not every genius is capable of being a Feynman. But I would wager that Vox is misunderstood by a greater proportion of +3sd's than by the top of the bell curve.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 28, 2016 12:54 PM  

Worrying about Neo Nazis is letting the Left colonize your brain and doing their work for them.

Do yourself participating in the socialist pissing match

Blogger Nick S November 28, 2016 1:01 PM  

Dave Narby wrote:Or maybe it's me... I've always had an immediate "fuck off" response to anything resembling the Appeal to Athouratah.

It's not just you, Dave, but...

I think Vox has swung too far in the oversimplification direction with the identity politics. He may be essentially correct, but it's a more complex dynamic that deserves more than juvenile othering and abandonment of certain nomenclatures and adoption of others.

The cases against conservatism and constitutionalism have, for the most part, around here, been amorphous and superficial with the gist of the main arguments being: "Conservatism has conserved nothing." and "The constitution is dead." with a sprinkling of the obvious culprits as evidence.

This is an epic change in the course of human history deserving of expositions on specific principles and actions from exegetes and authoratahs.

Puerile rhetoric is only compelling for particular types.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 1:02 PM  

Perhaps we need +4sd types here. Or at least those who give enough shits to learn how to communicate effectively.

Being an Indian, I am a +4SD type, as it happens. And 4SD is even less able to communicate with the norm.

Or maybe it's me... I've always had an immediate "fuck off" response to anything resembling the Appeal to Athouratah.

That's because you're insecure about your intelligence. But you shouldn't be. There is nothing wrong with being in the normal range. There are plenty of tards living kick-ass lives.

Blogger VD November 28, 2016 1:04 PM  

The cases against conservatism and constitutionalism have, for the most part, around here, been amorphous and superficial with the gist of the main arguments being: "Conservatism has conserved nothing." and "The constitution is dead." with a sprinkling of the obvious culprits as evidence.

I suggest you try reading a book instead of the blog. Namely, Cuckservative. That's the context in which these posts are being made.

Puerile rhetoric is only compelling for particular types.

Such as the sort of people who try to act as if rhetoric is puerile while engaging in it.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes November 28, 2016 1:09 PM  

I've never felt that the onus was on the genius to communicate down. Not every genius is capable of being a Feynman. But I would wager that Vox is misunderstood by a greater proportion of +3sd's than by the top of the bell curve.

Not to denigrate the intelectual firepower around these here parts, but following along isn't particularly challenging. Yes, Vox likes playing the inner game, I assume mostly to amuse himself by watching his enemies head's explode with Pavlovian predictability. And yes, Vox often writes in shortcut, which makes the meaning opaque only if you are relatively new, or if you are unable to meet the unstated autodidactic prerequisite of knowing how to Google.

Mostly I find Vox to be a very clear thinker and writer. He's not the tedious sort of self-aggrandizing intelectual that wraps his ideas within an onion of superfluous language and half-baked theories. The journey is short and direct. I find that taking him at face value will get you most of the way there. The rest is just figuring out the backstory and insider stuff.

Blogger Nick S November 28, 2016 1:11 PM  

Only puerile rhetoric is puerile.

Blogger rumpole5 November 28, 2016 1:14 PM  

Good question. I too would like to see the detail of this "program".

Blogger Hhhhgf November 28, 2016 1:16 PM  

How are the things vox says different than neo nazis. Vox believes Jews should live with their own in Israel, so did the nazis. Vox believes whites have a right to a nation like every other race, so did the nazis.

Blogger Hhhhgf November 28, 2016 1:24 PM  

Tell me the difference between nazis and the things vox says.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable November 28, 2016 1:25 PM  

In retrospect, the breakup of the USSR was surprisingly peaceful. If the US empire can end and partition into smaller, homogeneous nations as peacefully as that, we'd have to consider ourselves lucky.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the 15 states that eventually became independent of the USSR had common ethnic roots to bind them into coherent nations, and in some places claimed continuity from pre-1944 states.

It would be nice if the US could partition itself without too much in the way of fireworks, but I don't see the same sort of uncontaminated, ethnically homogeneous blocs in the US that would lend themselves to natural divisions.

There would have to be massive forced resettlement, I suspect.

Blogger Dexter November 28, 2016 1:25 PM  

"Just as Reagan converted the GOP into a conservative party,"

Temporarily. For about six years. Then it was taken over by the cucks.

Blogger Hhhhgf November 28, 2016 1:27 PM  

This comment thread is probably full of Jews that think nazis today are actually a thing. Muh 6 million!

Blogger The Kurgan November 28, 2016 1:27 PM  

Dave Narby,
Thanks for demonstrating my point

Blogger rumpole5 November 28, 2016 1:27 PM  

It never died. Those white "Reagan democrats" have been out there all along waiting for another Nationalist. (BTW, as to the USA the term "white nationalist"largely redundant. Whites built the existing USA, and when Reagan evoked "a shining city on a hill" he was not referring to a concept developed by 3rd world peoples.

Blogger rumpole5 November 28, 2016 1:31 PM  

I posed this question to my Caymanian father in law. He explained to me that in heaven we will all be white because we'll be washed in the blood oh the Lamb.😄

Blogger Student in Blue November 28, 2016 1:35 PM  

Tell me the difference between nazis and the things vox says.

Well, for one, Vox says let's NOT go to war with Russia...

Blogger Cail Corishev November 28, 2016 1:38 PM  

@171, I don't expect it either, for the reasons you give. The main division in the US is rural versus urban, which doesn't divide neatly on any historical lines.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes November 28, 2016 1:41 PM  

Only puerile rhetoric is puerile.

A form of persuasion that relies solely on emotion is by definition puerile. I'd like a glass of water, but I don't want that wet kind!

Tell me the difference between nazis and the things vox says.

Have you seen his fashion sense? Please stop insulting Nazis.

Blogger Hhhhgf November 28, 2016 1:43 PM  

Several on this thread are talking of getting nazis killed, while they themselves fight the enemy whom I assume are a bunch of non whites and Jews. In reality you guys are a lot more extreme than the national socialists were. You sound like someone out of the turner diaries

Blogger Desiderius November 28, 2016 1:47 PM  

"I am a +4SD type"

C'mon Vox, false modesty doesn't become you.

Given that you're one-of-a-kind with the kind being human, that makes you slightly over +6SD.



Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 1:47 PM  

180. Hhhhgf
Neonazi doctrine is prison doctrine. If you are in prison and no one backs you up you will get raped , killed and robbed. The chances of finding someone of a different race to protect you, are relatively low. The same dynamic can be applied in the real world when there is resource scarcity or when you are a minority.
Jews took this concept and made it into a tradition. They trust no one and see all outsiders as enemies. Jews and neo-nazis hate each other the most because they understand one another.
We see the neo-nazi philosopy as being useful for us and our families if we see a conflict between the races start.

Blogger Hhhhgf November 28, 2016 1:56 PM  

Well said. I'm a libertarian realist, but I have significantly more respect for someone that calls themselves a national socialist than several commenters on this thread. The national socialists actually say what they truly want without the need to virtue signal. "I want a nation for whites, but I will kill the nazis first!"

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 2:03 PM  

Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist.
Nationalsozialist is the german word for nationalist.
"I want a nation for whites, but I will kill the nazis first!" one of the most retarded things i've ever read.

Blogger Nick S November 28, 2016 2:11 PM  

My main point, Vox, is that many if not most people cannot extrapolate the implications and ramifications as easily as you and some of your readership. You don't need to dumb it down. You need to elaborate for us.

Anonymous BGKB November 28, 2016 2:13 PM  

This comment thread is probably full of Jews that think nazis today are actually a thing. Muh 6 million!

BIgGaySteve's Nazis/Russians under the bed removal services is running a special: 10% off with the coupon code OyVey

You sound like someone out of the turner diaries

The Turner Diaries became non fiction during Hurricane Katrina.

Blogger Sheila4g November 28, 2016 2:15 PM  

@153 J.M. : "Someone like Obama had he being born in let's say Brazil or Colombia would have never identified himself as Black but as a Mulatto or coloured and assimilated to the Western culture."

So you advocate a Brazilian sort of racial spectrum, where anyone with a bit of White genetics is automatically going to "assimilate" to magic culture. As the conservatives like to remind one, Obama is half White after all.

But you don't advocate for race mixing, oh no. You're the epitome of a realist.

You're the reason I have a good deal of sympathy for Vox's renowned lack of patience with professed moderates and midwits.

Anonymous VFMUltra November 28, 2016 2:18 PM  

Your wife's son would blush at your use of his 3rd grade reading level comeback, and I can't help but notice you didn't actually make an argument against the improbability (if any) of my assertion. Cucks gonna cuck.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 2:20 PM  

187. Sheila4g
Obama would have never identified himself as black if he actually lived in Africa. Africans are quite racists towards mutts.

Blogger Student in Blue November 28, 2016 2:20 PM  

Nationalsozialist is the german word for nationalist.

...no. No it's not.

Nationalist is Nationalist in German.

When Nazis got smeared super hard, (((they))) focused on the Nationalist aspect so they could crush feelings of patriotism in the US, but Nationalsozialism is both socialism and nationalism.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 2:30 PM  

My bad,I should read what i write before I post. Sozialism is indeed german for socialist.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 28, 2016 2:40 PM  

@Lramie,
So, by your accounting, the goal of Nationalism should be to abandon the traditions of our fathers by selecting a dictator, excuse me, KING, and make sure he's of a different faith from both the founding stock of the country and the majority of the citizens.

And this proposal will save our country from the modern onslaught like all the kings of Europe saved their peoples from the onslaught of Marxism and Fascism.

It takes a special type of idiot to make such a hare-brained proposal. I mean, even the neo-Nazis understand they're talking about a dictatorship. They don't talk in terms of freedom, but prosperity, peace, order and duty.

The single most deeply held cultural attitude of Americans is the absolute rejection of rank. How many people refused to support Jeb! Bush simply because the Bush family was becoming a Dynasty? Americans HATE dynasties.

It appears to me you want to retain our multi-cultural society, and have determined, quite reasonably, that a dictatorship, excuse me, kingdom, is the only possible way to do so.

Go on fantasizing. The multi-culture is going to be broken out by race, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Appealing to the rule of Heaven is simply asinine. For one thing, Heaven doesn't have any sin.

The good thing is that you are so far outside the realm of rational thought that it's impossible for you to have any effect in the real world.

Blogger Student in Blue November 28, 2016 2:43 PM  

The thing that gets me about the neo-nazis is that NO, radicalized nationalism is NOT automatically associated with socialism.

I get and can absolutely respect the angry, hardcore, patriotic nationalistic fuckers. Socialism can go hang itself though, and was never what America was founded on.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 28, 2016 2:48 PM  

@Hhhfgh
Aren't you afraid you'll get cooties? Run, run before the infection spreads to you!

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 2:52 PM  

Socialism is basically christianity without the divine juice. Socialism symbolizes the man's attempt to bring utopia to reality. And also removing anyone that poses a threat to that ideal.

Anonymous Avalanche November 28, 2016 2:54 PM  

@87 All the crime happens when those who would prefer identity to anything else are congregated in small pockets. Make them disperse first then watch the good ones rise to the top. The others will fade away."

WTF?! Okay-then: YOU move them in next door to you -- and then let your 'fade-aways' fade away into your own back yard! I want them all as far from me and mine as possible!

Try thinking about your idiot plan in relation to a pack of tasmanian devils! (Zebras? Rhinos? Hippos?) Does it work? Can it possibly EVER work? Can you envision ANY chance of domesticating an animal which has **not ever** in its history BEEN domesticated? Remember that "pet chimp" that tore the face off the owner's friend? NOT domesticated!! Not ever in the history of that animal!

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 28, 2016 2:58 PM  

The real question is:
Which is better, National Socialism or Crony Capitalism?

Is it better to kill Nazis or Cronies?

Anonymous kfg November 28, 2016 3:01 PM  

"It would be nice if the US could partition itself without too much in the way of fireworks . . ."

I predict that the US will partition so peacefully that most people won't even see it happen.

Then the fireworks will start. The civil wars will be in the new states, not between them, as they sort out their new identities.

The idea of a US King after it all comes apart is a non-starter. There will be no US to be King over, because, well, it will have all come apart.

Anonymous Bumbaru November 28, 2016 3:01 PM  

197. Conan the Cimmerian
Weren't you supposed to be be against the reptilians?

Blogger Student in Blue November 28, 2016 3:03 PM  

@195. Bumbaru
Socialism is basically christianity without the divine juice. Socialism symbolizes the man's attempt to bring utopia to reality. And also removing anyone that poses a threat to that ideal.

That's only true insofar as people really into Socialism treat it as their religion.

Describing it as "christianity without the divine juice" is to completely mischaracterize Christianity. You're likely thinking of the modern Church, which is very, VERY heavily infected with Socialism.

That is not what Christianity is supposed to be about at its core, and the Church was not always that way. It was not even that way for most of its history.

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