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Thursday, November 17, 2016

The racial detente is over

This is an unusually astute article on an important reason that helps explain the rising appeal of the Alt-Right across America from the Federalist.
Privilege theory and the concept of systemic racism dealt the death blow to the détente. In embracing these theories, minorities and progressives broke their essential rule, which was to not run around calling everyone a racist. As these theories took hold, every white person became a racist who must confess that racism and actively make amends. Yet if the white woman who teaches gender studies at Barnard with the Ben Shahn drawings in her office is a racist, what chance do the rest of have?

Within the past few years, as privilege theory took hold, many whites began to think that no matter what they did they would be called racist, because, in fact, that was happening. Previously there were rules. They shifted at times, but if adhered to they largely protected one from the charge of racism. It’s like the Morrissey lyric: “is evil just something you are, or something you do.” Under the détente, racism was something you did; under privilege theory it is something you are.

That shift, from carefully directed accusations of racism for direct actions to more general charges of unconscious racism, took away the carrot for whites. Worse, it led to a defensiveness and feeling of victimization that make today’s whites in many ways much more tribal than they were 30 years ago. White people are constantly told to examine their whiteness, not to think of themselves as racially neutral. That they did, but the result was not introspection that led to reconciliation, it was a decision that white people have just as much right to think of themselves as a special interest group as anyone else....

Furthermore, the ever-present drumbeat from the Left that every conservative victory is the death throes of bad, old white people who are about to be swept away by waves of brown immigration is making many whites dig in. On a certain level, how can you blame them? They are explicitly being told that their values and way of life are under the sword. How do we expect them to react?
Well, they're all just in the very early stages of finding out. But we will never negotiate with them again. We will never believe them again. The long, stupid, dishonest detente is over. Let a hundred meme-flowers blossom.

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Anonymous Jake Saga November 17, 2016 11:39 AM  

The exit polls seem to show that the % of whites who voted for Trump are not much higher than the % that voted for Romney. But - the % of working-class whites is, indeed,much higher. Would it be fair to say, VD, that racial consciousness blooms first in the lower classes, while the college-educated cling to their dogmas, jobs, and pseudo-religion of egalitarianism?

I pray that the awakening takes hold very quickly, because the demographics get exponentially worse as the invaders breed like rabbits. And believe me, they do here in Minnesota.

Blogger tz November 17, 2016 11:40 AM  

Scott Adams points to This long article which dismantles all the charges of racism, but as the above notes, it is too little, too late.

I would think at least 25 million Trump voters were minimally Alt-Lite, and maybe more, although they don't like the term, but as the accusations of being Alt-Right become just another insult like "Racist!", I think the numbers who identify will increase. Particularly as the anti-reformation fires burn in our deep blue cities.

Blogger VD November 17, 2016 11:41 AM  

ould it be fair to say, VD, that racial consciousness blooms first in the lower classes, while the college-educated cling to their dogmas, jobs, and pseudo-religion of egalitarianism?

Yes. The more educated people are more steeped in the diversity indoctrination. The more intelligent people are better able to rationalize away what they see and fear.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents November 17, 2016 11:42 AM  

After reading this article at Federalist I have been trying out a simple test. Tell people that Raycism used to be things that you did or said. Now raycism is your skin. Ask them what they think.

Some of the libtard metrosexuals look surprised and don't like it., they even get upset. "No, not, that's not what it means", or it's not what it's supposed to mean. Oh, supposed to? Tell me more!

Adds a little kek to the day.

Anonymous Battlefrog November 17, 2016 11:47 AM  

This is slightly off topic, but does anyone around here know of any well written articles refuting this kind of thing? http://archive.is/PofZR

My bullshit detectors are going off like crazy, but I'm not well enough versed in economics to challenge the "comparative advantage" thing. I told the person that sent it to me that we should just import people from even poorer places and in greater numbers to keep driving wages up. It shut them up, but I'd like to see a more formidable response.

Blogger Mighty Lou November 17, 2016 11:48 AM  

This video perfectly encapsulates the blur which was my college experience.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=dApadRmyK24

Good times...

Blogger Amatuer Brain Surgeon November 17, 2016 11:51 AM  

The rise of the alt right in Europe chronicled here:


http://galliawatch.blogspot.com

Blogger Johnny November 17, 2016 11:51 AM  

VD wrote:ould it be fair to say, VD, that racial consciousness blooms first in the lower classes, while the college-educated cling to their dogmas, jobs, and pseudo-religion of egalitarianism?

Yes. The more educated people are more steeped in the diversity indoctrination. The more intelligent people are better able to rationalize away what they see and fear.


Well I am not VD, but a second part of it is that the implementation has been to the benefit of the upper classes. In some ways the whole racist thing is a class movement, helpful the upper class while marginalizing the biggest lower class, the non elite whites.

Communism has that quality also, while overtly populist, covertly elitist.

Anonymous WaterBoy November 17, 2016 11:52 AM  

Cue David Naughton singing, "I'm a racist, he's a racist, she's a racist, we're a racist...wouldn't you like to be a racist, too?"

Come over to the undark side.

Anonymous Just another commenter November 17, 2016 11:54 AM  

What was that? Let the hundred flame-throwers blaze? Sure thing, boss!

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 17, 2016 11:55 AM  

Another effect of "white = rayciss" is the open border, because refusing to allow 40 million Mexicans and a couple million central Americans and a few hundred million others is rayciss. Now Illegals demand Obama issue mass pardons so they can stay in the US. Because rayciss Trump might deport them otherwise.

If I am rayciss no matter what, then let's get on with the deportations of illegals. Then we'll fix anchor-baby citizenship next.

These fools did not think through what "white = rayciss" leads to. Deportation of a few million illegals might make their thinking clearer. Let's find out.

Anonymous 11/17 November 17, 2016 11:56 AM  

@6
Article cites "law of comparative advantage." There's your bullshit. I stopped reading there.

I believe Vox wrote about this in Cuckservative, and I have seen him (recently) discuss same on the blog.

You might have to do some thinking yourself, but you should be able to craft a better response taking ideas about comparative advantage from Vox.

Anonymous 11/17 November 17, 2016 11:57 AM  

Previous reply actually @5, not 6.

Blogger Brian S November 17, 2016 11:58 AM  

lmao, nice Lou... saw this one this morning...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxdt9-bXEAAn9NY.jpg

Blogger tz November 17, 2016 11:59 AM  

Correction, <a href="http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/>here is the article Scott Adams links to</a>.

Yes, the accusations of anti-semitism (Sobran and Buchanan) and racism (50 million Trump voters) and sexism have been so over-used because they once had great power.

Racism used to mean wanting to burn crosses and hang blacks from trees just for the fun of it, or at least some deep petty discrimination.

Basically the left kept pushing (real) conservatism was racist/sexist/homophobic (for years, I joked that it was a single compound word). The response was cuckservatism. But they still call even the cucks racist. The virtue signal so bright it burned out of Glenn Beck said AllLivesMatter and BlackLivesMatter is calling him a racist for "All".

It is also ironic near the end of the peace he is calling for reestablishing the discussion. The problem is the Left broke it, and why should the Whites fix it? And if you want to discuss reality - oh, there might be real racism? - lets also discuss Detroit, Single Mothers, and the real problems and real solutions as since Coleman Young, any attempt at healing this open infected wound was shut down with cries of "racism".

The White Christendom virtue of tolerance was misused by the intolerant to create an irony of a repressed majority, or perhaps a reverse-apartheid. Somewhat like Muslims - 1% aren't a problem, 20% start demanding privileges, 50% will overthrow and impose Sharia. The left played on the tolerance to increase, then took over and destroyed tolerance.

Anonymous deplorable six pan November 17, 2016 12:00 PM  

I'll see his Morrissey and raise him a Minor Threat, who pegged it with "Guilty Of Being White" over 35 years ago.

Of course, they were out of D.C. so maybe they were privy to the inside scoop.

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton November 17, 2016 12:00 PM  

"We will never negotiate with them again. We will never believe them again."
This must be repeated like a slogan. This can't be forgotten. We tried playing by their rules,and we tried reconciliation, and they stabbed us in the back as soon as they thought we had let our guard down.

Never negotiate with or believe them again.

Blogger tz November 17, 2016 12:02 PM  

Correction II, here is the article Scott Adams links to.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents November 17, 2016 12:03 PM  

@14
No way, Reggie Love took that job years ago.

Anonymous Deadlocked November 17, 2016 12:05 PM  

The long, stupid, dishonest detente is over.

Why do you think the detente was stupid and dishonest? I'd think avoiding a race war was the smart thing to do. (I don't know one way or the other about the dishonest part).

Blogger tz November 17, 2016 12:07 PM  

@5 - I'd just go to the insurance increases - First, even if they get driver's licenses they don't necessarily pay insurance (past the first month to get the cert). Second, they usually won't get good coverage and so even when they are at-fault, it won't be their insurance company that pays, or will require a lawsuit. Third, that is like saying we'd be safer if more people owned guns so violent felons should get them.

There was some statistical outlier, but correlation is not causation, and comparative advantage should easily be shown not to be the cause of higher wages - a labor shortage is combined with fat welfare benefits so they aren't busing in inner city workers and giving them benefits, they hire illegals and don't give them insurance.

Hey, maybe the entire problem with Obamacare is that the illegals (without a preexisting condition) aren't signing up and paying the outlandish premiums.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes November 17, 2016 12:07 PM  

Predictably, like a good conservative, the author ends by proclaiming that it is time for new negotiations

Anonymous mt361369 November 17, 2016 12:09 PM  

Before this post I was trying to think how the America 1st people of today are different from WWII era American 1sters. Back then they were called anti-semites and traitors and were steamrolled by events and cucks. Today they are called islamophobes and racists. The difference today is the stupid ass lefties overreached and have marginalized themselves.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 17, 2016 12:10 PM  

@9: That would make a pretty good video. Set it to the old Dr. Pepper ad music.

Especially if the video features people with all sorts of features.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 17, 2016 12:13 PM  

The more educated people are more steeped in the diversity indoctrination. The more intelligent people are better able to rationalize away what they see and fear.

And wealth lets them insulate themselves from the worst of it. Plus there's a certain naïve elitism among these people. They think they'll always be in charge, adored by all the happy brown people they've given the gimmidats to.

History has a few examples of someone who lost a political struggle inviting in foreign troops to help him win, only to eventually have the foreigners decide to stay and rule the place, or at least a part of it they carved out, themselves.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 17, 2016 12:16 PM  

Wow, that was a very concise take. Kudos.

I think it's not an accident that this happened just as the white proportion dropped below 2/3. There's game theory at work here, somewhere.

Blogger Hunsdon November 17, 2016 12:20 PM  

He wrote, How do we expect them to react?

Shouldn't he have written, "How do they expect us to react?"

Blogger Hunsdon November 17, 2016 12:20 PM  

If there is hope, it lies in the proles.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 17, 2016 12:20 PM  

Why do you think the detente was stupid and dishonest?

Stupid because it allowed us - or really them - to ruin our society and out polity and bring tens of millions of invaders in. We'll have our race war anyway, only far worse than it would have been. A race war in 1950 would have ended pretty damn quick. Ours will go on for a while.

Dishonest because they never intended to keep their end of the bargain. If they had, they would have marginalized instead of celebrated the extremists on their size calling for ever-expanding definitions of racism. They redefined the agreement constantly. That's not the behavior of an honest actor.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 17, 2016 12:22 PM  

This is what pisses me off. I was perfectly happy to live and let live. If some (not most) of the people I met were racist I didn't care. I just ignored them.

That wasn't good enough for them. Everybody had to be racist except for the ass hats calling everyone racist. What did they expect? They are trying hard to see monsters where none existed because they were thrilled by setting boogymen now they're getting what they really wanted and pointing and shrieking, "see you are monsters". Now we don't care. I wonder what's next.

Blogger Soothsayer November 17, 2016 12:23 PM  

Like affirmative action, (putting immigrants first in line), hate speech laws discriminate white people, because the people that dreamed up the laws do not believe that white people can be discriminated against racially. Most Muslims are brown, therefore saying that Muslims behave badly and are unwelcome is hate crime (racism). There is no logic in that, as all of us that condemn Islam are well aware. They shout "Islam is not a race" back at us, as if to prove the mistaken point that we are only using islamic terrorism as an excuse to hate brown people. Logic, fact and truth have no meaning when people follow political ideology blindly and fanatically.

They are missing the point racism and the rational fear of Islam are two entirely different things. Racism is only discriminating or hating someone because of the colour of their skin. Being terrified of Islam is because Muslims are killing us in the name of Allah and behaving very unsociably because their belief teaches them that they are better than us- and that is discrimination against non-muslims but it is not racism. It is not hate or racism to point out that an ethnic group behaves badly and is therefore unwelcome, it is fair comment.

Blogger ZhukovG November 17, 2016 12:27 PM  

@ Brick Hardslab, Because we allowed this untenable situation to last for so long, we will likely have to become the very monsters that they feared.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 17, 2016 12:27 PM  

Come to the dank side white man.

Blogger Wild Man November 17, 2016 12:28 PM  

Ben Shahn was Jewish. The 'racial detente' referred to in the Federalist article was fashioned by the Jewish mindset. Another Jewish bad idea by way of a broad appreciation of the nuances of the social environment but resulting in flawed judgments about what said nuances mean, nevertheless. Flawed because the Jewish mindset does not emphasize the set of convictions the underpin western ideals. Same old same old. This seems to be the never-ending dynamic with Jews living among western cultures.


The more sublime of the Jewish minds should be valued and cherished for the apparent expansivity and creativity. Many Jews are exceedingly gifted with respect to "thinking outside the box". .... 90% of what is produced by such minds is thought provoking and worthy of consideration (consideration only .... not knee-jerk to accepting any conclusion offered though). It's the other 10% offered by these more sublime of the Jewish minds that is the problem ..... Jewish conclusions and judgments - bad idea after bad idea offered that way.

Like I said earlier Trump's job one is to bring Jewish power to heel, to serve the interests of the western ideals. This is destined to become a western world. The Jews gotta wake up to the peculiarities of their mindset that consistently blinds them to what that means. As a course generalization, they, collectively, don't seem to understand what that means - don't seem to understand the set of convictions that underpin the western ideals.

Blogger Quadko November 17, 2016 12:28 PM  

"Privilege Theory" also was an obvious step in the left's continuing progression of denial that they were historically the slave owners, and still have the same "superior people"-based world view that allowed and justified slavery.

The Democrat party is the institution in the phrase "Institutional Racism" and they are always trying to project that blame elsewhere rather than changing. Privilege Theory is just another attempt. After all, the one thing it never can mean, by definition, is that rich white democrats with political power are racist...

Blogger kmbr November 17, 2016 12:29 PM  

They really shit the bed with this because NOW people who never even really gave race much thought, KNOW A LOT about race and they are starting to discover everything they have been told about race is a big, fat lie.

That's exactly how I learned about the alt-right. Some time ago on a long defunct board, I had read a break out of IQs by race. I was pretty fascinated by it because it explained quite a bit.

I cut and pasted the guy's post, went along my way and never thought too much more about it.

Fast forward about ten years, 8 shitty Obama years where I feel like I have a target on my head for being white and one afternoon, I am working --I listen to podcasts while working--I had run out of podcasts and do a search on youtube for race and IQ and start putting the vids on as I work.

I was never the same again. That which has been seen can not be unseen.


Blogger slarrow November 17, 2016 12:29 PM  

A lot of people are making this calculation now: "if I'm going to do the time, might as well do the crime." That is, if I'm going to get called racist anyway for doing nothing, might as well do something to deserve it.

@19, the reason it was stupid and dishonest is that it never really was detente. Detente implies a stasis, but the left kept pushing and pushing the narrative while the conservatives did nothing in response (hence the "cuck" charge.) The goalposts kept shifting until people had enough.

I think the original formulation came from someone here on VP about the Jews, but it works for this situation too: You used to be a racist if you hated black people. Now you're a racist if black people hate you. No wonder the "detente" is falling apart.

Anonymous Ironsides November 17, 2016 12:32 PM  

Deadlocked wrote:The long, stupid, dishonest detente is over.

Why do you think the detente was stupid and dishonest? I'd think avoiding a race war was the smart thing to do. (I don't know one way or the other about the dishonest part).


Because the greater the number of irreconcilable people you mix together in one environment, the more ghastly the outcome.

You get to the point where one of two outcomes is almost guaranteed:

1. The utter destruction of white civilization and the white race.

2. Incredible mayhem to prevent #1 from happening.

Accepting the detente merely gave more time for the situation to build to catastrophic proportions. What you're arguing for is ignoring the problem until only drastic action can correct it. Better to be fierce at the beginning and refuse to look the other way when the insane start attacking your race, and end up knocking a few heads together, than to do what was actually done -- cower before the tut-tut of madmen, and allow the racial and cultural nuclear pile to reach critical mass.

Consider Germany right now. They've let in enough Muslims to cause horrible problems, but there are still few enough of them to ship them back. However, if they continue their detente with the left, the number of Muslims will grow to the point where they are both utterly intolerable, and cannot be peacefully removed due to lack of resources to do so. Every day the detente continues, every additional Muslim brought into Germany, increases the chance that the eventual solution adopted by the Teutons will be ... final.

The detente appears to be the peaceful choice. It is not -- it merely defers the conflict, while ensuring that when it occurs, it will assume mind-stunning proportions.

Anonymous fop November 17, 2016 12:37 PM  

Remember the children of Rotherham, Rochdale, Derby, Oxford, Bristol, Telford, Peterborough, Banbury, Aylesbury, Keighley, Halifax, etc.

Anonymous EH November 17, 2016 12:38 PM  

"Within the past few years, as privilege theory took hold, many whites began to think that no matter what they did they would be called racist, because, in fact, that was happening. Previously there were rules. ...

That shift, from carefully directed accusations of racism for direct actions to more general charges of unconscious racism, took away the carrot for whites."

Which reminds me of this story I first saw elsewhere, but this is a good version:


"Chen Sheng was an officer serving the Qin Dynasty, [~208-9 B.C.] famous for their draconian punishments. He was supposed to lead his army to a rendezvous point, but he got delayed by heavy rains and it became clear he was going to arrive late. The way I always hear the story told is this:

[quote]
Chen turns to his friend Wu Guang and asks “What’s the penalty for being late?”

“Death,” says Wu.

“And what’s the penalty for rebellion?”

“Death,” says Wu.

“Well then…” says Chen Sheng.
[/quote]

And thus began the famous Dazexiang Uprising, which caused thousands of deaths and helped usher in a period of instability and chaos that resulted in the fall of the Qin Dynasty three years later.

The moral of the story is that if you are maximally mean to innocent people, then eventually bad things will happen to you. First, because you have no room to punish people any more for actually hurting you. Second, because people will figure if they’re doomed anyway, they can at least get the consolation of feeling like they’re doing you some damage on their way down."

-- Scott Alexander, "Radicalizing the Romanceless"

Which is one giant reason not to care what the SJWs say at all, let alone negotiate with them. No upside. Wars can be won, but submitting to the frame of the enemy's lies is defeat in itself.

Blogger praetorian November 17, 2016 12:45 PM  

I lived in the Bay Area for over a decade. I was a good boy proposition nation conservative/libertarian.

I got called a racist. I wasn't.

I got called a sexist. I wasn't.

I got called a homophobe. I wasn't.

Still, over and over, they pounded away. No appeals to universalism helped. No good faith attempts at dialectic worked. Over and over: racist, sexist, homophobe!

So, finally, I looked into it.

Meme magic is real. Be careful what you meme for.

Anonymous Toddy Cat November 17, 2016 12:55 PM  

There are some good things in that "Federalist" article, but there are also reams of bullshit. For example, the idea that minorities were ever "careful" with accusations of racism is bunk. Every single Republican presidential candidate in my lifetime has been called racist, and the idea that all whites are inherently racist goes back to the 1960's, not the 'teens. The "detente" that this jackass is writing about was never any kind of an agreement that was honored by both sides, just a slow-motion white retreat. What just happened, in this election cycle, was that whites suddenly realized that there is nowhere left to retreat to.

The long retreat is over, Mr. Marcus. live with it.

Blogger Dexter November 17, 2016 12:55 PM  

Why do you think the detente was stupid and dishonest? I'd think avoiding a race war was the smart thing to do. (I don't know one way or the other about the dishonest part).

Detente is a bad idea for Whites now for the same reason it was a bad idea for the USA in the 1970s - because the other side keeps arming. Detente is a dishonest idea now for the same reason it was dishonest in the 1970s - the other side never had any intention of standing still, only of making us stand still while they improved their position.

If there is going to be a race war (and there is, because diversity+proximity = war) then from the White perspective it is better to have it sooner rather than later, because the enemy is flooding the country with non-Whites and thus the White position is only getting worse as time passes. If detente was ever going to be possible, then an absolute freeze on non-White immigration would have to be a bedrock, non-negotiable aspect of it.

Blogger Soothsayer November 17, 2016 12:57 PM  

These racial divisions in America were bound to become more pronounced due to immigration from places other than Europe.  There is this myth of the melting pot. The European immigrants integrated because they could. African-Americans have integrated far less. There is prejudice and discrimination, but with genuine equal opportunity arising, we could have expected much more integration. Tribalism does explain this, the differences between the tribes are greater than the similarities. Black culture is different to white culture in America. It is not a question of mutual respect, the question is can large ethnic groups integrate when they identify themselves more as members of an ethnic group and than as Americans.
This is clearer with other racial/ethnic groups such as Mexicans and Muslims. Do they speak American to each other and embrace the European-American culture? Let us be honest America is White Culture, the Europeans conquered and populated the North American continent. They built American and defined its culture. I just do not see the large new ethnic groups integrating, they will keep their own language traditions and culture and this will divide America even more.
As stated in the above article, the Whites that were America, now find that they are increasingly becoming just another large ethnic group with its own separate language culture and traditions. The time when most immigrants became Americans is over.

Blogger Orville November 17, 2016 1:00 PM  

Dave Bowman enters the black monolith and says, "My God, it's full of racists!"

Anonymous Ironsides November 17, 2016 1:02 PM  

The left never learned about "be careful what you wish for." This sequence apparently never occurred to them, despite current rumblings indicating the last step might occur:
-----------------
The Left: "You white people are monsters!"

The White Colossus: "No, we are not. See, we will give up our empires for you, so that you can rule yourselves, while we retire in peace to our homelands."

The Left: "You white people are monsters!"

The White Colossus: "No, we are not. See, we will give you aid more generous than any seen before on this world. Here is our technology, our vaccines, our surplus food, our money, to help you."

The Left: "You white people are monsters!"

The White Colossus: "No, we are not. To prove we are not, we will let you into our homelands. We will give you money, aid, food. We will let you enjoy all the good things that we have made for ourselves, while casting scorn on our own history."

The Left: "You white people are monsters!"

The White Colossus: "...very well. Since you wish it so, we are monsters. Now ...scream."

Anonymous Dick Hertz November 17, 2016 1:03 PM  

@5, "comparative advantage" is just another Big Lie pushed by the people who really, really want 50-cent-an-hour Third World scab labor to mow their lawns, babysit their children, and staff their businesses and factories, and care not if they turn the nation into Guatemala in order to get it. See also, "If we close all the factories here and send the jobs to Mexico, a Mexican middle class will magically arise and demand to buy automobiles and refrigerators--which will all be made in China by then, because all the factories here will be gone. Oops."

Human labor is a commodity like any other. The law of supply and demand dictates that the more of it that is available, the less it is worth in the marketplace.

Your reductio ad absurdam was correctly reasoned and formulated.

Anonymous Stickwick November 17, 2016 1:07 PM  

Within the past few years, as privilege theory took hold, many whites began to think that no matter what they did they would be called racist, because, in fact, that was happening.

It's interesting how every manifestation of humanism parallels religion in some ways, especially Christianity. With "privilege" we have the humanist version of Original Sin, only instead of the death and resurrection of Christ to atone for it and to offer hope and redemption, all humanism has to offer its sinners is a hopeless abyss of never-ending guilt and abasement. In their efforts to parasitically copy from their cultural hosts, humanists somehow only manage to get it half-right: the carrot without the stick or, in this case, the stick without the carrot.

Blogger CarpeOro November 17, 2016 1:08 PM  

@Jake @VD

A quibble, but I'd disagree about the "educated" part, or at least emphasis the college indoctrinated end of things. With the sliding of standards and what they are trained to think I'd say there is little education going on. Unless you use educated in the same vein as "re-education camp".

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2016 1:10 PM  

Well I am not VD, but a second part of it is that the implementation has been to the benefit of the upper classes. In some ways the whole racist thing is a class movement, helpful the upper class while marginalizing the biggest lower class, the non elite whites.

Communism has that quality also, while overtly populist, covertly elitist.


@8 Johnny
Excellent point. And one big reason this racist racket finally broke down was because the blacks and browns became so numerous and loud that lower-class whites finally saw the racket for what it is: the elites screwing them over.

In a Whitopia, where browns are few and whites are insulated from the consequences of their virtue-signaling, it works. In California, where browns are the majority and have taken over and whites can't do anything about it, it works. But there's a danger zone for the elites where the browns are numerous and obnoxious enough but whites are still a majority.

The U.S. as a whole, and enough U.S. states, are in that danger zone right now.

Blogger Orville November 17, 2016 1:11 PM  

@47 agreed. Colleges are mostly just indoctrination camps. In fact I wonder if this racial enlightening is going to speed up the implosion of higher education that is already facing doom with the massive student loan bubble.

Blogger Chiva November 17, 2016 1:11 PM  

They are explicitly being told that their values and way of life are under the sword.

Eventually our response will be "Crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

Blogger Nate November 17, 2016 1:12 PM  

that is a very insightful piece. And he's exactly right. Whites didn't blow it all up. Progressives did.

Blogger Boko Harambe November 17, 2016 1:12 PM  

@5 looks to me like you gave the correct response.

Any reply that shuts down/shuts up the opposition is one that has obviously cut something hard, regardless of depth. Keep cutting!

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric November 17, 2016 1:13 PM  

Jake Saga wrote:The exit polls seem to show that the % of whites who voted for Trump are not much higher than the % that voted for Romney. But - the % of working-class whites is, indeed,much higher. Would it be fair to say, VD, that racial consciousness blooms first in the lower classes, while the college-educated cling to their dogmas, jobs, and pseudo-religion of egalitarianism?
It's a function of hardship. When things are going well, you tend not to challenge your indoctrination, because you don't have any reason to examine the cognitive dissonance, if you're even aware enough to feel it. Combine that with an insulation bubble that reinforces your worldview, and of course it starts with either the lower classes who feel the effects first, or the rare, intelligent enough and aware enough person in the upper classes who can perceive the trends that the rest of his caste will ignore.

Blogger CarpeOro November 17, 2016 1:14 PM  

@46

The gaping hole that can only be filled with faith requires constant feeding, causing those with that problem to search for ways to appease or fill it. Not surprising they would look at those that have it and try to ape aspects of faith while avoiding the substance. Like any trying to artificially make themselves whole they are doomed to failure and get worse the more they try, their souls longing for the real thing after getting even just a glimpse.

Blogger haus frau November 17, 2016 1:17 PM  

The wealthier whites are insulated from the negative effects of diversity. The diverse individuals they associate with are at their work or universities. They don't live in the Iowa towns that's are getting dumped on by Chicago's ghetto relocation policies. They don't live in the poor areas that are targeted for refugee resettlement. They aren't competing against low skill mexicans for wage jobs. If they did reality would soon burst the feelz bubble.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 17, 2016 1:25 PM  

It's not as if there weren't multiple chances for the left to turn off of their path. They didn't have to decide that Affirmative Action intended for black men who got Jim Crowed out of a job in 1963 also applied to Somali refugees in 1993. They could have decided that descendants of slaves in the US had different status than descendants of Moslem slaves in Africa.

They didn't have to decide that hiding black on white crimes while parading St. Skittles around as a martyr. They could have applied some of that "equality" they like to wave around.

Read the 1978 Bakke decision. That's another piece of the detente, and why it's breaking down.

http://infogalactic.com/info/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke

Anonymous BGKB November 17, 2016 1:27 PM  

but a second part of it is that the implementation has been to the benefit of the upper classes

The people who profit off of destruction has become a larger group than those who profit from production. Its jewish lightning on a national scale.

OT: What Hungover HilLIARy looks like without makeup https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/16/wow-health-collapsing-hillary-clinton-makes-first-public-appearance-video/#more-124673

Blogger Boko Harambe November 17, 2016 1:28 PM  

@55 not for long HausFrau. Some months ago I (under different handle) commented on how my nephew was a minority in his class and had no friends. No one wanted to play with him. My Bro and SIL are upper middle class, if not outright wealthy as mid-level execs in Pharma. They live in a bubble - truly! as their 6 acre spread is directly across the cul-de-sac from her parents' 10 acre spread, which is right next door to her sister's 6 acre spread. But they live in a township that lets in lots of Asians (ya know, the good ones) and some NAMs who live in the seedier part of the municipality.

They are not insulated, they just can't reconcile kumbayah with the actual factuals.

Blogger Boko Harambe November 17, 2016 1:30 PM  

*I say "good ones" tongue in cheek, because I don't believe in that and also those "good ones" are the ones who prefer their own Indian or Chinese playmates and shun the blond haired blue eyed White kid.

As much as I don't want my nephew to suffer, this sort of thing happening to children is a good thing. "Think of the children" has been the hew and cry for so long, it's high time we weaponized that idea.

Blogger Dexter November 17, 2016 1:34 PM  

As much as I don't want my nephew to suffer, this sort of thing happening to children is a good thing. "Think of the children" has been the hew and cry for so long, it's high time we weaponized that idea.

Progs don't care about White children. And they think their own children will be insulated by living in gated communities and attending expensive private schools.

Blogger Kyle Searle November 17, 2016 1:35 PM  

Having a race war in the middle of the cold war would have been a terrible idea. People seem to forget how effective the Soviets were at spying. Remember how messed up the US Army was until the 1980s? The last thing necessary would have been a 5th column at home while communism ran amok. Remove the economic incentives for illegal immigrants and the companies that hire them. One thing at a time. Trying to do everything at once will result in many failures.

Blogger tz November 17, 2016 1:40 PM  

Something else happened which also affects the Alt-Right's rise.

The Left created identity politics. Around 1970, there were Black Americans, White Americans, Asian Americans, but we were all Americans and agreed on core ideology, and disagreed on implementation and on the margin.

But the 1960's fruit developed to Feminism not as an ideology but as an identity. Black as an identity. Gay/LGBTQWERTY as an identity.

After this poisonous fruit ripened, somewhere in the 2000s, ideology became an attack - an attempt at destroying those minority identities.

That is why JCW's appeal to ideology is futile, and why Whites and Christians were forced into an identity (by the Left). Every accusation of privilege and racism is saying your identity is trying to destroy mine.

The shift from racism is some overt attack based on race to simply being white tracks well with the rise of Black, not as a superficial race, but a fundamental identity.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker November 17, 2016 1:44 PM  

When Van Jones said Trump's victory was a "Whitelash," he had no idea just how right he was. Keep your eyes on the DNC election. We are about to find out if the POC contingents are going to tolerate/support white Democrats in charge for much longer.

Indeed, the DNC/Democratic Party is now a microcosm/harbinger of the America that will exist in a couple of decades if current demographic and population trends are not arrested. Think of the DNC elections as a real world test of "Diversity + Proximity = War."

Blogger tublecane November 17, 2016 1:49 PM  

Just when was this rule about not running around calling everyone racist in effect? PC has been around for decades.

Blogger rcocean November 17, 2016 1:56 PM  

The only way this crap will stop and if people stop caring about Left-wing attacks. Just say to your self "I am racist. And I don't care". Call a Lefty a 'Communist" and they just laugh or call you a fascist. There's none of the Right-wing defensiveness.

Blogger rcocean November 17, 2016 1:57 PM  

The only way this crap will stop and if people stop caring about Left-wing attacks. Just say to your self "I am racist. And I don't care". Call a Lefty a 'Communist" and they just laugh or call you a fascist. There's none of the Right-wing defensiveness.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 17, 2016 1:58 PM  

There is a food fight going on in the Evangelical Christian world over who did / did not vote for the horrid, rayciss, Trump. Predictably it is breaking along color lines as well as class lines. Upper class white Christians are angry at their lower and middle class brothers & sisters, who apparently just don't care if they are called rayciss or not.

What a surprise.

Blogger haus frau November 17, 2016 2:01 PM  

@63 I hope the DNC does elect the Minnesotan Muslim as it's new leader. I heard on msnbc the other day that they believe he can reach out to working class whites that went for trump. This is wonderful. Don't ever discourage an enemy caught up in their own delusions. Yes my husband does turn the TV to msnbc and cnn sometimes. Gotta keep up with the latest leftist spin.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2016 2:02 PM  

@6
Here's the money quote, this is the supposed mechanism that makes wages go up
Why? The law of comparative advantage says we get more productive when we have more trading partners, and the arrival of undocumented workers with limited English skills frees up low-skill American workers who can then specialize in tasks that require better English.

This assumes full employment and an unlimited market for labor. Since real unemployment is verging on 15%, and probably 25% in the low-skill market, "Freeing people up for work requiring better English" translates in fact to establishing a disability claim or dealing drugs.

You could ask them when the law of supply and demand was repealed.

Blogger Some Guy November 17, 2016 2:10 PM  

Funny how this mimics Rohan saving Gondor. Gondor was the tradition of the West and they were very learned. Rohan was "wise but unlearned" and just got that shit done.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 17, 2016 2:12 PM  

Jake Saga
"the college-educated cling to their dogmas, jobs, and pseudo-religion of egalitarianism?"

One theory that potentially accounts for at least part of this phenomenon:

http://medicalhypotheses.blogspot.com/2009/11/clever-sillies-why-high-iq-lack-common.html?m=1

Of course, they're exposed to more intense indoctrination, too.

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2016 2:13 PM  

> If a generation of Americans who lived through the racism, riots, anguish, and terror of the civil rights movement were able to trust each other’s decency and create cultural codes and norms to punish abject racism, we should be able to do it, too. But the truly scary thing is that, at this moment, it doesn’t appear we want to.

Why should we want to? We did trust their decency. That trust was betrayed. It turned out they were lying the entire time. Why should we ever trust them again?

Blogger Jim Carroll November 17, 2016 2:17 PM  

That article goes on to say "Under the détente, there was still racism, but Steve Bannon, whose publication Breitbart has traded in vile explicit racism, could never have been considered for White House chief of staff."

Really?

Anonymous WaterBoy November 17, 2016 2:19 PM  

Dexter @42: "If there is going to be a race war (and there is, because diversity+proximity = war)"

Good ol' Charlie Manson, sittin' in his cell there in Cali, chucklin' to himself that he's finally gonna get what he was waitin' for.

Helter Skelter, the infamous false flag -- only half a century or so too early.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 17, 2016 2:20 PM  

@71
Of course, they're exposed to more intense indoctrination, too.

Here is just one exampleColorado Univ. profs call the American founding fathers terrorists and the revolutionary ideals fake.

Benson also censured the colonists involved in the Boston Tea Party, saying “Why did they dress up like Native Americans? That’s offensive on so many fronts. But they didn’t care about being offensive.”

At one point, the class compares the Sons of Liberty to the Westboro Baptist Church. In reference to Andrew Oliver, the British official responsible for implementing the Stamp Act, Lee notes: “And to add a little bit more to the history of poor Andrew Oliver, he dies in 1774 and the Sons of Liberty protest his funeral. Do we know another group right now that protests funerals?”

Many students comment back in unison: “Westboro Baptist Church.”


1984 isn't fiction to the left. It's a manual.

Blogger Matamoros November 17, 2016 2:23 PM  

These educated whites who kept quiet and tried to get along with the leftist program are now paying the price.

They allowed their sons and daughters to be turned into girly-boys and snowflakes; and so they have lost the game of survival of the fittest.

Those who dared to be counter-leftist, while shunned, have produced sons and daughters to be proud of to carry forth the family name and lineage.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents November 17, 2016 2:24 PM  

OT, just to cheer up dc.sunsets.

US housing starts highest in 9 years

Prosperity is just around the corner, dude. Just around the corner.

Anonymous BGKB November 17, 2016 2:24 PM  

I hope the DNC does elect the Minnesotan Muslim as it's new leader.

I hope so also. I also hope that leftists don't realize I am being sarcastic when I say that they just didn't call people racist enough times.

I heard on msnbc the other day that they believe he can reach out to working class whites that went for trump

DNC Aiming To Reconnect With Working-Class Americans With New ‘Hamilton’-Inspired Lena Dunham Web Series http://www.theonion.com/article/dnc-aiming-reconnect-working-class-americans-new-h-54707

Blogger VD November 17, 2016 2:26 PM  

When Van Jones said Trump's victory was a "Whitelash," he had no idea just how right he was. Keep your eyes on the DNC election. We are about to find out if the POC contingents are going to tolerate/support white Democrats in charge for much longer.

Exactly. They won't. Somalis have already successfully pushed out Jews in the Minnesota State legislature.

Blogger Sheila4g November 17, 2016 2:29 PM  

@26 Hunsdon: "Shouldn't he have written, "How do they expect us to react?"

Note the author's name - (((David Marcus))). This is apparently one of the times it's in the individual's interest to present himself as distinct from Whites, not when it behooves him to claim he IS White. Never forget (because (((they))) never forget): Who-whom?

The famed racial detente Marcus is trumpeting was like one of the trade deals Trump rightly lambastes. A "deal" that enshrined the victimization and eternal guilt of White Americans, signed by White and (((White))) traitors who never had any skin in the game. I was born in 1958, and I remember the '67 DC riots, and the overt hostility and bellicosity of the first Negroes I went to school with in middle school. It was never really detente, it was merely disarming one side in an eternal conflict.

Anonymous BGKB November 17, 2016 2:32 PM  

Prosperity is just around the corner, dude. Just around the corner.

Even Mr Material Evil himself thinks so.

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/soros-is-getting-out-of-gold/

Soros got into gold when he thought Hillary was getting elected, economies would collapse, currencies would become worthless, and only gold would be redeemable after the storm had passed...

I still love that he was knowingly trying to elect the architect of an Apocalypse that could have triggered a major World War and killed millions. It is not surprising given his Nazi past, but it still shocks to see it confirmed. It also tells you what he is doing with his Muslim migrant strategy. He is trying to destroy the world, to enrich his own investments.

Blogger Robert Divinity November 17, 2016 2:38 PM  

Worse, it led to a defensiveness and feeling of victimization that make today’s whites in many ways much more tribal than they were 30 years ago.

Worse?!? Well, it was The Federalist.

Blogger tublecane November 17, 2016 2:40 PM  

@80-"It was never really detente, it was merely disarming one side in an eternal conflict."

Bingo. Never in my life (I'm 34) has there been a time when the other side wasn't running around like their head was on fire, yelling "racist, sexist, etc.-ist." I assume that was the case between my birth and the civil rights movement, too. They certainly had bigger riots back then.

This is bad revisionist history, trying to make it easier to explain what happened. It was that the left broke a pact. There is no social race compact, so far as I'm aware. There's just everyone but the left giving up, letting the left win, watching traditional America get weaker, and weaker. Until recently, maybe.

Blogger Lovekraft November 17, 2016 2:42 PM  

A couple years ago, a turkish (?) feminist named Bahar Mustafe in England came out and blatantly pushed this lie.

Everything about her engenders rage in any white person not fully blue pilled.

Of course, there are thousands like her ravaging western countries.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker November 17, 2016 2:49 PM  

@79: And to advance the prediction a bit further, support for effective border security and strict limitations on immigration is going to be surprisingly strong among white Democrats in Congress. But they don't know that yet.

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2016 2:51 PM  

> Now Illegals demand Obama issue mass pardons so they can stay in the US.

A pardon only works for a previous crime, not a future one. As long as they stay in the US, they're still committing a crime.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2016 2:57 PM  

BGKB wrote:DNC Aiming To Reconnect With Working-Class Americans With New ‘Hamilton’-Inspired Lena Dunham Web Series
Now there's a winning suggestion. All the Working Class Whites I know want to be lectured to by a fat, dumpy, elitist (((whore))) that even their wives won't watch on TV.

At least (((Roseanne))) was genuinely working class, and had some sympathy.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2016 3:00 PM  

Mass pardons of illegals can only mitigate punishment. They cannot confer a right of residency. That would take an act of Congress.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 17, 2016 3:01 PM  

Soothsayer
"There is this myth of the melting pot."

The phrase "melting pot" is in common usage, but its origins are almost never mentioned. It comes from a propaganda play published in about 1908. Strangely enough, while promoting the "melting pot" for America, the author was an ardent Zionist.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 17, 2016 3:07 PM  

"Let a hundred meme-flowers blossom."

I'm not usually superstitious, but letting a hundred schools of thought contend has some bad historical connotations...

Blogger Boko Harambe November 17, 2016 3:25 PM  

@87 until it fell apart at the end, with the lesbian stuff, and the revelation that it was all imagined as a defense mechanism.

Why do sitcoms sell their audiences out like that, or is there something meta there I'm too dumb to catch? Like, thanks for your eyeballs/$$$ a-holes, now we're going to give you our real message but you're so invested you won't want to un-hear it anyway.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 17, 2016 3:26 PM  

Detente with the Soviets was wise, because there was no permanent reason for conflict. The USSR's communism ran its course.

"Detente" regarding race relations never made sense, because it was simply NEVER going to work to have two visibly differentiated populations living in the same place, exposed to the same 24/7 inundation by lifestyles of the middle-class and up. Those cut off from equality of outcome would and will NEVER accept it. Even if NAM's accepted responsibility for lagging results, resentment alone would lead sooner or later to trying to burn it all down. It's human nature to envy, and it doesn't take but a leavening of tinder and a single spark to burn down the barn and everything in it.

As Creveld points out, any framework of "equality" requires a single measure that will always be mutually antagonistic with other measures.

Whites gave the Civil Rights Act, the Kansas City Board of Ed school experiment, desegregation by busing, vast over-funding of minority schools, and literally decades of favoritism in jobs, promotions, government contracts and university admissions.

We were promised that temporary inequality of treatment, favoring blacks & browns, would bring about equality of outcome predicted by Blank Slate. It was a lie, and as that lie became increasingly obvious, the Left's calls for MORE inequality, WITHOUT END, started sounding like war drums.

Only very high IQ people are so blind and bereft of common sense to not see where this is leading. Time to join the war before our side suffers more attrition and their side adds more legions.

Blogger Martin X November 17, 2016 3:36 PM  

It's really that simple, instead of throwing your skirmishers under the bus, you simply have to say, "Can you blame them for feeling this way?" OR "I can understand why they feel this way." This is exactly how the left reacts to their "extremist" elements.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 17, 2016 3:36 PM  

"Privilege theory and the concept of systemic racism"

"Systemic racism" or "institutonal racism"; otherwise known as the phlogiston of the 21st century.

Blogger kmbr November 17, 2016 3:47 PM  

**t was a lie, and as that lie became increasingly obvious, the Left's calls for MORE inequality**

Well, you only need to look as far as South Africa to see where this ends. Or doesn't end.

1. It's never enough


2. We will be down to a tiny corner of the earth and they'll still follow us there to take what we have built because they can't build it for themselves.

3. Correction on #2. They won't follow because that implies some sort of self determination. White busybody leftists will bring them.

Wash, rinse, repeat. Until we are living on one square mile.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes November 17, 2016 3:52 PM  

The wealthier whites are insulated from the negative effects of diversity. The diverse individuals they associate with are at their work or universities. They don't live in the Iowa towns that's are getting dumped on by Chicago's ghetto relocation policies. They don't live in the poor areas that are targeted for refugee resettlement. They aren't competing against low skill mexicans for wage jobs. If they did reality would soon burst the feelz bubble.

Yep. Every single white liberal I know believes in multiculturalism, but only in the abstract. The minorities they associate with are those that have adopted white culture and espouse liberal ideology. Their minority friends are largely pets that allow them to feel superior and virtue signal.

Anonymous Argy November 17, 2016 3:54 PM  

"Well, they're all just in the very early stages of finding out. But we will never negotiate with them again."

Well, you won't, of course, since you've never had any negotiating power from your hole over in Italy. However, Americans will continue to negotiate with all around them as they always have. It's how progress takes place. Plus, there just aren't enough racists in the U.S. to see anything else happen.

Blogger Sevron November 17, 2016 4:00 PM  

I want you to believe that. The more you think we don't exist, the easier our job will be.

Anonymous Argy November 17, 2016 4:03 PM  

"I want you to believe that. The more you think we don't exist, the easier our job will be."

I know you exist. It's just that so few of you exist it's really just a side show that entertains....Like the hairy woman or the three legged man on the runway.

Blogger Anthony Gillis November 17, 2016 4:06 PM  

The détente WAS arguably in effect for a while, but just like the 1970s Soviet détente, it is better understood as a secular variant of the Islamic Hudna - a one-sided, temporary truce that one of the sides fully intends to break as soon as it feels strong enough.

The Left tried this before. They began to break the Hudna a generation ago with the PC movement, and the Rodney King-era race riots. When PC got laughed out of popular culture, and urban blacks proved as incapable of sustaining an insurgency as ever, the Left concentrated their efforts on the institutions of power, and on immigration. With Obama, they felt strong enough to try again.

And here we are.

Anonymous Ironsides November 17, 2016 4:09 PM  

Good to see the trolls are still living in their delusions. Report back to your masters, nothing to see here. You're quite right that you needn't worry about pissing white people off. Double down on what you're doing and you're sure to win.

Anonymous Bruce November 17, 2016 4:15 PM  

Look at this little nugget from Jon Stewart: "And so that is the fight that we wage against ourselves and against each other because America is not natural. Natural is tribal. We’re fighting against thousands of years of human behavior and history to create something that no one ever [has]. That is what is exceptional about America. This ain’t easy and that’s an incredible thing.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/17/jon-stewart-calls-lefts-hypocrisy-labeling-trump-voters-racist-defending-muslims/

Anonymous Bruce November 17, 2016 4:16 PM  

See Jon Stewart just about gets it.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda November 17, 2016 4:33 PM  

@46.

"It's interesting how every manifestation of humanism parallels religion in some ways, especially Christianity."

Mockery is a signature of the evil one.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 17, 2016 4:49 PM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:There is a food fight going on in the Evangelical Christian world over who did / did not vote for the horrid, rayciss, Trump. Predictably it is breaking along color lines as well as class lines. Upper class white Christians are angry at their lower and middle class brothers & sisters, who apparently just don't care if they are called rayciss or not.

What a surprise.



Churchians need to be purged - even with fire and sword if necessary. No detente, no talk. All out war is called for. They can surrender or die, but they're anathema any way you cut it.

Blogger Harold November 17, 2016 5:07 PM  

idea that all whites are inherently racist goes back to the 1960's
I honestly don't remember it in the 1960's. But by the mid 1970's it was a part of all newly established equal opportunity training everyone was required to attend. Along with the sexual harassment training that emphasized that a high ranking male superior having sex with a lower ranking female was the very definition of sexual harassment- up until Bill Clinton did it.

But 1960's? 1970's? What difference does a decade make between friends?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2016 5:08 PM  

Plus, there just aren't enough racists in the U.S. to see anything else happen

Waitaminnit, I'm racist because of the color of my skin, and racists elected Trump, and the racist misogynist homophobes are going to start rounding up black lesbians,and racism is systemic and endemic in American society. But there aren't enough racists to do anything.

Do Anti-racists even logic, bro?

Blogger Sevron November 17, 2016 5:24 PM  

Snidely, hush! Let them think we're a joke to be ignored. To be fair to them, Trump was a total joke, and they totally owned him too.

Blogger pyrrhus November 17, 2016 5:27 PM  

@86 > Now Illegals demand Obama issue mass pardons so they can stay in the US.

A pardon only works for a previous crime, not a future one. As long as they stay in the US, they're still committing a crime.

And regardless of any pardon, the government can still deport anyone who is not in the country legally, or anyone here legally who has committed a crime. I was in Court one day when a Polish girl who had entered legally as a tourist, and who had shoplifted at Nordstroms, was turned over to INS for deportation....

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid November 17, 2016 5:37 PM  

Vox, thanks for the pointer to a very good article. I share the frustration of trying to be a decent human being, trying hard to treat PoCs as individuals, and getting called every damned epithet in the book by the Left. Enough. Most people understand that if you kick a dog enough times, there's a good chance it's going to bite. This election was the first bite.

Blogger Otto Lamp November 17, 2016 6:09 PM  

Are we seeing the rise of the pro-white or the not-anti-white movement?

Blogger BunE22 November 17, 2016 6:14 PM  

@Battlefrog

http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature

I doubt the person would read the whole thing, but Borjas shows the benefits are to the immigrants themselves, the businesses that hire them, and the population left behind in their home country.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 17, 2016 6:56 PM  

"See Jon Stewart just about gets it."

Of course Jon Leibowitz gets it. Rather indiscreet of him to mention it publicly, though.

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2016 7:03 PM  

> Plus, there just aren't enough racists in the U.S. to see anything else happen.

Funny, that's not what the media is telling me. They're assuring me that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. Surely they wouldn't lie...

Blogger Lazarus November 17, 2016 7:43 PM  

BGKB wrote:He is trying to destroy the world, to enrich his own investment

Hey, its not personal, its business! Just like when he was interning by helping to confiscate Jew"s property as they were herded on the trains.

Of course, it helps to be an atheist while you are engaged in such activity.

Empathy is a social construct.

Blogger Lazarus November 17, 2016 7:50 PM  

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:Of course Jon Leibowitz gets it. Rather indiscreet of him to mention it publicly, though.

Alan Dershowitz defended Bannon and Breitbart against charges of anti-semitism in a broadcast interview. They are smart enough to know the knee-jerk accusations by leftists and the MSM help propel Trump (PBUH) to power.

They need to be silenced!

Blogger Ceerilan November 17, 2016 8:00 PM  

Cross posted from what I said over there:

I can't understand why someone might think we had a racial detante from the period between 1970 to 2015. The argument presented is self-refuting, presenting a deal between blacks and whites at the end of the civil rights movement to have caused a detante between the races and between liberals and conservatives. Terms of this deal as stated in the article were that whites and conservatives had to dissociate themselves from anyone accused of racism in order to marginalize them politically in return for the service of not also being smeared as a racist. Leftist infiltrated mass media acted as the organization that defined what a racist was. As a result of this, gradual shifting of the specific conduct rules conservatives had to play by happened somehow.

This situation plays out on the small scale in many families today. One person decides the rules by which another acts, uses verbal weapons the other person lacks or doesn't use, then on top of that unilaterally changes the specific conditions under which those verbal weapons may be applied. We call this technique emotional abuse.

For 45 years, this has been how the left has interacted with the right. Now we have the bar being pushed to the point of literally defining all whites as racist by definition. Men are misogynist by definition. People are unironically presenting these arguments. The detante isn't collapsing because it is breaking down. The illusion you had of a detante is collapsing because it never existed. Viewed from the other side, it is a reign of terror, a 45 year abusive tirade now manifesting into its explicit hateful glory. That is what people are against.

Negotiation is only possible between two groups that share first principles. Marxists believe in group identity. Americans believe in individual accountability. These are two mindsets so fundamentally at odds with one another, their adherents cannot exist under the same set of laws. The west faces a choice: partition or civil war.

Anonymous NIG>N.A.P. November 17, 2016 8:03 PM  

Racism used to mean wanting to burn crosses and hang blacks from trees just for the fun of it, or at least some deep petty discrimination.

You don't actually believe they did it “just for the fun of it” do you?

Several of the comments regulars like to bemoan how much “better” blacks used to behave back before gibsmedat manna began falling from above (interesting how this mimics the environment they evolved in: lunch falling out of trees onto their heads or scurrying over their feet).

First of all, do you regularly hear of rural white people singling out and assaulting random negroes? Hell, by and large, they aren't even impolite to them… Why this readiness to condemn your own people? Because our famously accurate and totally not biased (((media))) painted an unflattering caricature of them? But maybe their entire culture and customs did a complete 180 in less than a century, right?

Has it occurred to you that the very real fear of (quite likely well earned) lynchings (reinforced with periodic burning cross visual aids- 85 IQs don't process “consequences of feral behavior” very well) played a substantial part in forcing blacks into a semblance of civilized behavior? When that threat was minimized or eliminated, look how they behave. And no, not the white-presenting talented-tenth unicorn you know from church; the run of the mill project dwellers.

I guess it was just a coincidence that Emmitt Till’s father met a remarkably similar end as his “civil rights martyr” son :

A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape.

But sure, I bet poor young Emmitt dindu nuffin to that white lady. Just flirting, Dawg. Cologne migrant style flirting? Naw, let's not let the feral behavior we can observe daily sully the memory of the blessed martyr to the (((cause))).

Don't take this as too much of a slam tz, it's an idea I've been kicking around for a while and your first few paragraphs will serve as an opportunity to toss it to the ilk for consideration.






OpenID enriquereal November 17, 2016 8:06 PM  

#25.Aeoli Pera:

Agreed. I was thinking the last year or so, what if we could do a "where are they now" of some of these white kids on campus, or other assorted cucks, libs, progs, SJWs, in a few years. To see if they have flipped sides…here’s my thoughts on this.
Some posts here I’ve read seem to converge my thoughts on this: I think the upper class/elites and academic types, those who are highly educated, are IN the educational system (particularly college) or other industries that rely on heavy “diversity”/affirmative action, will continue to see their numbers and power dwindle, as the overall population of whites shrinks and foreign (and domestic) browns and blacks assume more and more positions of authority in those industries. They will ABSOLUTELY shove white women out, more and more.
This will reach the Othello board ‘flip’ when white women are no longer benefiting from affirmative action. We are already seeing it, and I have, somewhat anecdotally I admit, but situations where the whole “women and minorities” is quickly adjusted to just “minorities”, by blacks and browns who are “on to them” (white women). I’ve personally helped this along by co-opting their strategy (double blue down) on white women…for example, some liberal white female gets promoted and while congratulating her, I make a side comment about how “it was disappointing however that they didn’t go with a person of color, etc”.
Game theory indicates that once it is our overall numbers shrink and it is no longer beneficial to stick with the past strategy, it’s time to defect to the other side. Again, like Othello, once this happens, it can happen actually rather quickly. I believe Keith Ellison getting the DNC position will help this along, as well as the general anger blacks and browns feel toward whites in general—which will also have an effect on white women. From things like the murders of random white gals, to fake rape cases against their sons—loss of jobs for husbands, sons, brothers, etc, even the unusually non-tribal white women will awake to the reality around them. And defecting to the “other side” (which many have done, through interracial marriage or marrying Muslims) does NOT improve their position, so there is no benefit to doing it—they still get treated like shit.
I think the Alt-right will attract more and more white women, and whites in general of course, over the next five years, as positions harden on the left and there is no more wiggle room to remain there on the left, as a white.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 17, 2016 8:26 PM  

the idea that all whites are inherently racist goes back to the 1960's, not the 'teens.

I heard the leader of some college anti-racist group being interviewed on talk radio around 1990, and she explained how only whites can be racist, because racism is about power, and whites have power and non-whites don't. So all whites are racist and non-whites can't be.

You're right, there's nothing new about that idea. They've just gotten more aggressive about pushing it, and more white people are aware of it now.

Blogger Dexter November 17, 2016 9:34 PM  

Detente with the Soviets was wise, because there was no permanent reason for conflict.

Too bad the Soviets didn't think that or act like it at the time.

Blogger wreckage November 17, 2016 9:48 PM  

@120 They are being tripped up be their own propaganda. They think they have changed the West to be as it is, rather than reasonable treatment of minorities, women, etc, being inherent to the culture. Their notions of female liberation, with women no more than property up until the Glorious Present, is incorrect to the tune of 20 centuries within Christianity, and independently by at least ten centuries in British (in this case Saxon) culture.

Thus, they believe they have affected vast change and can continue to do so, whereas in fact they have almost entirely just subverted the cultural norms that have existed for many generations. They think they are at the beginning of the usefulness of their -isms, having "created awareness", but actually they are at the end, having stretched them beyond their cultural roots already.

Anonymous Just another commenter November 18, 2016 12:44 AM  

@120 - If racism is about power, then her claim that only whites can be racist simply means she's trying to guilt people to take power for herself. Power is neither good nor bad. It's how it is used, much like guns. Racism has a bad connotation because it's used to unfairly apply negative group expectations to the individual and delegitimatizes their individuality and potential. To reduce it to mere power differential is a shallow and obvious grab for power.

Blogger tublecane November 18, 2016 12:46 AM  

@117-I can't understand why they'd think it, either, unless they were confused or misinformed.

I can understand why they'd say it: because they're lying and trying to make a point.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 18, 2016 1:45 AM  

Stickwick wrote:It's interesting how every manifestation of humanism parallels religion in some ways, especially Christianity.
You have a funny definition of "humanism".

all humanism has to offer its sinners is a hopeless abyss of never-ending guilt and abasement.
Humanism, succinctly stated, holds that "Man is the measure of all things."  What you're talking about is racial/social "justice", which has nothing whatsoever to do with it.  The SJW indoctrination kids get in universities may be called "humanism" but it isn't.

I don't think college students are going to tolerate being forced to pay to have doctrines which hold that they are the scum of the earth forced down their throats for much longer, and I've already done some thinking about ways to criminalize that particular tactic of the SJWs.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 18, 2016 4:28 AM  

Mr RAtional, you argue like an Atheist. That is to say that you insist on shifting definitions that do not actually reflect any real person or situation, you take every statement personally and respond emotionally to every situation.

Anonymous TheBoom November 18, 2016 4:43 AM  

One the more encouraging pieces of information I've come across in the last 2 days is a report in the NY Post that the mainstream media is seeing a surge in subscriptions since Trump started attacking them. This could be a lie like most of what they report but it could be a case of the left subscribing in solidarity with their propagandists. If the later is the reality, then this may encourage the mainstream media to continue there brazen propagandist stance instead of becoming more subtle like before. The non-left already is seeing through the propaganda arm of the elite. If they keep their jihad complete with claims of racism going it should help red pill whites more and more. This could be especially beneficial if Google et al start blocking Breitbart, Drudge, etc.

Anonymous George of the Jungle November 18, 2016 4:48 AM  

There was a dictum from President Reagan regarding arms treaties with the Soviets: 'Trust but verify.'

The same is a rational racialist approach when dealing with individuals of minorities (after they are a much smaller percentage of the population).

But regarding the approach to the left:

Never trust, never again.

Blogger wreckage November 18, 2016 5:16 AM  

@125
"I've already done some thinking about ways to criminalize that particular tactic of the SJWs."

Excellent!

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 18, 2016 8:57 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Mr RAtional, you argue like an Atheist.
You mean I use facts and reason without fear or favor?  Thank you.  Oh, wait....

That is to say that you insist on shifting definitions that do not actually reflect any real person or situation
humanism:
4.  Philosophy. a variety of ethical theory and practice that emphasizes reason, scientific inquiry, and human fulfillment in the natural world and often rejects the importance of belief in God.

That's the dictionary definition.  Where's the guilt and abasement?

you take every statement personally and respond emotionally to every situation.
... says the clown who just HAD to inject himself into my comment to Stickwick.

You project like a theater.  Why don't you go get a life?

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