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Thursday, November 03, 2016

Trump shatters 50 percent ceiling

He also leads by three in the daily Rasmussen Reports' poll:
Republican Donald Trump has a three-point lead in Rasmussen Reports’ White House Watch survey. Among voters who are certain how they will vote, Trump now has over 50% support. The latest national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows Trump leading Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton 45% to 42%.

Eighty-eight percent (88%) of voters say they are now certain how they will vote. Among these voters, Trump has a 10-point lead over Clinton – 53% to 43%.
Hillary's hope apparently rests with the undecideds and the Justice Department's ability to silence the FBI and the NYPD. Translation: Trumpslide!

Meanwhile, Hector Morenco, whoever that is, claims on Twitter that Obama is intending to pardon Hillary regardless of whether the FBI acts before or after the election:
Hector Morenco ‏@hectormorenco Nov 1
Wow! Sorry more crazy info. Just told that Obama moving forward with presidential pardon regardless of outcome. God help us all! Going dark.

Hector Morenco ‏@hectormorenco Nov 1
Last tweet, FBI Trump faction wants to drag it out till Trump is in office. If HRC wins they will charge her after inauguration. Going dark.

Hector Morenco ‏@hectormorenco Nov 1
I've been told to pencils down on this one. Too dangerous.

Hector Morenco ‏@hectormorenco Nov 1
FBI sources, "Pro HRC faction within FBI trying to charge HRC this week so Obama can pardon. Pro Trump faction wants to wait till Nov 9th."

Hector Morenco ‏@hectormorenco Nov 1
Then HRC will use her power to pardon Obama and the heist will be 100% legal.

Hector Morenco ‏@hectormorenco Nov 1
FBI won't charge HRC before election because Obama will use power to pardon her. "If we release Weiner file before Nov. 8th she'll walk."

Hector Morenco ‏@hectormorenco Nov 1
Other sources in DOJ say Loretta Lynch & Obama scrambling to use the Hatch Act to silence the FBI release of evidence from Weiner file.
If Obama has to pardon her before the election, that will prove her criminality and seal the deal for Trump. If Obama is threatening to do so after the election, then there is no downside to acting before the election.

Doesn't the FBI have anyone competent in Game Theory, or even basic logic?

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114 Comments:

Anonymous RCFlyer November 03, 2016 9:32 AM  

His odds have been shortening on Betfair too, though I'm still seeing rich globalists dropping huge sums to prop up Clinton. But lots and lots of smaller Trump bets flowing in - same pattern as Brexit.

OpenID meistergedanken November 03, 2016 9:37 AM  

I hope Trump grabs Hillary's Virginia.

Blogger wreckage November 03, 2016 9:38 AM  

Wow. He might actually do it.

So this election goes from being intended to be a revolting parody of democracy: Bush dynasty versus Clinton dynasty, FFS! ; to being a wild-card.

Refreshing, really.

Blogger Alexander November 03, 2016 9:41 AM  

Meme Magic states that once #Trump had the chattering classes going on and on about "Respecting the Election Results", a Trumpenslide was a foregone conclusion.

For me, the biggest sign that the Trumpenslide was back was Facebook dumping another $15 million into a candidate supposedly up by double digits. It's been all whitepills since.

I think Minnesota goes Trump - surely, surely even Scandicucks look at the Somali takeover of Minneapolis politics and feel something isn't quite right about that.

Blogger Robert Divinity November 03, 2016 9:41 AM  

So this election goes from being intended to be a revolting parody of democracy: Bush dynasty versus Clinton dynasty, FFS! ; to being a wild-card.

Nice take.

It looks great for Trump and he's had the sink thrown at him. The question is how the Imperial City reacts--does it cede power or conduct a coup? The UK Brexit fall-out points to the latter.

Refreshing, really.

Blogger The Other Robot November 03, 2016 9:43 AM  

The LA Times Daybreak Poll also shows Trump up 5 points and outside the margin of error:

LA Times Daybreak Poll

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 03, 2016 9:45 AM  

@5: Not a coup, just a truckload of resistance. That's why we need to keep the pressure on. The bigger Trump's margin, the more of a mandate for reform he has.

I'll add that Trump has a secret weapon...Newt Gingrich. Newt is one of the rare people who understands the system and loathes it.

Anonymous wEz November 03, 2016 9:47 AM  

"I think Minnesota goes Trump". Me thinks you're crazy. There isn't a chance in hell this libtard state goes red.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell November 03, 2016 9:48 AM  

Rasmussen has a sketchy legacy so they'll either confirm this legacy or restore their star.

Anonymous Publilius Syrus November 03, 2016 9:58 AM  

@ wreckage: It's also great that this wild-card is a Trump.

Blogger praetorian November 03, 2016 9:59 AM  

H A R D C E I L I N G

Blogger B.J. November 03, 2016 10:00 AM  

@4:You may be on to something there. The hipster crowd will probably vote Johnson out of protest, if they even show up at all. My girlfriend highly resented being told she *had* to vote Hillary based solely on gender.

Anonymous Tiny Duck November 03, 2016 10:05 AM  

Nope, sorry. Conservatives will not vote for Trump

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/dont-gamble-on-trump/506207/

Add to that that People of Color will vote for Clinton in record numbers and its a done deal.

We will remember your transgressions this election. white supremacy must be and will be destroyed at all costs

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 03, 2016 10:06 AM  

Look at the optics, Hillary the nastiest old bitch surrounded by the nastiest old bitch clique you could possibly assemble, the high school kids in this country even reject her and supposedly they are our glorious people of color future.

On one side you have the fresh energetic alt-right culture warriors on the other side you have cucks like Flappy McManboobs pretending to authority propping up a falling apart old white bitty who without money would be suffocated to death in a nursing home run by Filipinos who bean count the mediscam money.

Anonymous Broken Arrow November 03, 2016 10:06 AM  

If Trump wins, who takes the loss harder, the cucks or the Democrats?

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist November 03, 2016 10:07 AM  

If Trump wins, who takes the loss harder, the cucks or the Democrats?

Oh, the cucks. Absolutely. And no other group will be happier if she wins.

Blogger praetorian November 03, 2016 10:09 AM  

@11 Here in California's third city, the hipster crowd is a mix of hysterical females, beta cucks supplicating to them and a few bernouts with enough cognitive dissonance to sink a battle ship, big ship. NFW they turn out in the same numbers as they did for Bammers. Blacks aren't gonna show. Question is has La Raza been radicalized enough to make up the difference.

Let us all pray that mañana life wins the day.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 03, 2016 10:10 AM  

Hillary will be in the director's cut of the movie "Death Becomes Her." Because of Hollywood sexism her parts were cut for the theater release.

Blogger praetorian November 03, 2016 10:18 AM  

Mine Kek, that post update...

My erection just got ten mohs harder, believe me.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 03, 2016 10:18 AM  

And Vox is right about indicting her NOW. I don't think people who have never held a security clearance fully understand just how bad her conduct has been. Any ordinary service member or Government employee who did that would be in a prison cell. The thought of a criminal of that sort polluting the Oval Office sickens them.

No. I figure that Obama is likely to issue a pardon under any conditions. But there's a vast difference between pardoning a defeated candidate, and pardoning the next President.

Blogger Dwain Dibley November 03, 2016 10:18 AM  

She also has all the rigged voting machines on her side....
Firsthand experience with those things switching votes here in Texas.

Blogger Fenris Wulf November 03, 2016 10:20 AM  

OT, and yet not OT.

The Chicago Cubs have won the World Series.

I've read somewhere that the Cubs had the longest losing streak in the history of any sport on any continent.

Yet more evidence that 2016 is the year in which ANYTHING can happen.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 03, 2016 10:20 AM  

I figured they were spotting Hillary about 10 points for push-polling, so now they've lowered that to 5. But I also figure they can probably do 5 points worth of cheating, which would mean the results could still be close.

Eighty-eight percent (88%) of voters say they are now certain how they will vote. Among these voters, Trump has a 10-point lead over Clinton – 53% to 43%.

Whoa. Ok, let's do some simple math. Out of 100 voters, that means the 88 decideds break down 47/38 (rounding both up). So Hillary would have to get 11 of the 12 undecideds to win 49/48. Even a massive Trump scandal wouldn't produce that, because there's already scandal fatigue, and she has her own coming anyway. And these are the undecideds, the dumbest voting block there is. You couldn't get 11 of 12 of them to vote the same way if you drove them to the polls with a marked ballot to use as a guide.

If those numbers are even close to right, the popular vote is over; her only hope is the Electoral College or outright stealing it.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 03, 2016 10:22 AM  

He has to have an actual crime to pardon. Since so many of her crimes cannot be admitted to, there should still be enough to prosecute. However, I would still recommend against prosecution, beyond laying charges and driving her into exile.

Blogger praetorian November 03, 2016 10:24 AM  

Yet more evidence that 2016 is the year in which ANYTHING can happen.

Nate Silver, America's Most Data-Driven Jew, was all over this back in May:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/730251094614528000

Best of all possible worlds.

Blogger Giraffe November 03, 2016 10:27 AM  

Obama defended Comey reopening the case. It would look bad to say he was just doing his job and then pardon her. He's running out of time to do anything.

Not arresting her so as to not influence the election is influencing the election.

Blogger Timmy3 November 03, 2016 10:29 AM  

Any talk of pardon already assumes Clinton is guilty and she is unlikely to win on her defense. Whether this makes a difference on the election is uncertain for the polls are still close for my comfort. Clinton's constituency will vote for her regardless of anything she done wrong. Preemptively pardoning her will only matter if she wins the Presidency. Then she can do anything she wants. Pardoning her when she loses is a consolation prize. Indicting her before the election disqualifies her and even if she wins, she'll be illegitimate. The country will be in a Constitutional crisis.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft November 03, 2016 10:32 AM  

@7. It's a coup at this point. The higher parts of government are not only deliberately stalling, but also pulling out all the stops to invalidate or ignore the Leave vote, permanently.

@17. If ANY of that happens, anyone wanna bet whether or not the obamanation will succeed in fleeing the country alive? I'd be inclined to bet not, especially if HRC "wins" with obviously falsified voting numbers.

@18. A prison cell? Please, we'd be in Leavenworth so fast we'd regret not taking a chance to stare directly into the sun to catch a last moment of sunlight for the rest of our natural (and unnatural) lives.

@19. Mine seemingly worked fine in that regard, though I heard numerous second-hand stories...

Blogger Cail Corishev November 03, 2016 10:34 AM  

Doesn't the FBI have anyone competent in Game Theory, or even basic logic?

If they do, he must have hidden it well during his hiring interview.

Anonymous Stephen J. November 03, 2016 10:34 AM  

@18: I don't think people who have never held a security clearance fully understand just how bad her conduct has been.

That may be exactly why they want to hold off charging her. If the charge looks like a politicized attempt to disqualify her rather than an apolitical act of law enforcement -- and most of the Left is so politicized themselves they won't believe any claim to being apolitical -- it may cause a swing back in her favour among voters who don't understand the scope of the crime and who were only drifting away out of apathy or personal pique over the Sanders shenanigans.

That said, the law is the law and crime is crime. In a perfect world timing the State's acts of prosecution for any political reason, even ones I sympathize with, is an unworthy action. But we don't live in a perfect world and I can't point fingers over dilemmas I've never faced myself.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 03, 2016 10:35 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:He has to have an actual crime to pardon.




"NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."

Blogger Benjamin Kraft November 03, 2016 10:36 AM  

@22. Well, when you put it that way, what's to stop the FBI from indicting her on each and every individual charge?

One.

At.

A.

Time.

The infinitely regressive chain of necessary pardons would be gloriously annihilative.

Anonymous Just another commenter November 03, 2016 10:36 AM  

Power is like a drug - use too much for too long, and it addles the brain rather thoroughly.

Blogger praetorian November 03, 2016 10:39 AM  

Trump edges ahead in New Hampshire:

http://www.wbur.org/politicker/2016/11/03/trump-clinton-new-hampshire

Trumpensliden in play. Live free or die.

Blogger pyrrhus November 03, 2016 10:40 AM  

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-03/fbi-said-move-likely-indictment-clinton-foundation-fox-news-reports

Blogger John S November 03, 2016 10:41 AM  

If Trump wins, who takes the loss harder, the cucks or the Democrats? Broken Arrow

Cucks. Bane Voice "Their punishment must be more severe..."

Blogger stratonacreous November 03, 2016 10:41 AM  

According to the 1865 case https://infogalactic.com/info/Ex_parte_Garland the presidential pardon can cover crimes for which no legal proceedings have even begun.

Unless there is later SCOTUS action that overrules or restricts this about which I am unaware, then the choice being discussed does not exist. Obama can pardon or not regardless of timing.

Note the text of Ford's pardon of Nixon:

"all offenses against the United States which he … has committed or may have committed or taken part in"

This prevented impeachment from being possible, which is essentially the same as an indictment.

Blogger Chiva November 03, 2016 10:42 AM  

I would still recommend against prosecution, beyond laying charges and driving her into exile.

I still prefer hang, drawn and quartered. An appropriate punishment.

Blogger pyrrhus November 03, 2016 10:44 AM  

@20 Yes, the Cubs broke a 108 year dry spell...this is the year for everything.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 03, 2016 10:44 AM  

A presidential pardon would now work against state charges. But it is doubtful the State of New York would ever allow charges against the Clintons. They would get a pardon from the governor.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 03, 2016 10:44 AM  

This is Obama's FBI and DoJ, and the guy at the head of it all took heat for giving Hillary a pass before. If they charge her, it's hard to see how the left would spin that as a politicized attack from the right.

The most important voting block at this point appears to be Reluctant Republicans, partly because of Utah, but in general as well. They don't like Trump much, but they aren't hard-core NeverTrump, so they're still waffling. They tend to be law-and-order types who always take the cops at their word. Once there are clear charges out in the open, not many of them are going to take Hillary's side versus the FBI -- or versus the NYPD they still revere since 9/11, for that matter.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 03, 2016 10:47 AM  

If Trump wins, who takes the loss harder, the cucks or the Democrats?

The Democrats will have a good cry, then roll up their sleeves and get busy trying to undermine him. The cucks will freak out in ways I don't think it's possible for us to imagine yet.

Blogger Basil Makedon November 03, 2016 10:54 AM  

Looking better and better.

Recent stories trying to pretend that she has closed the "enthusiasm" gap -- in my mind's eye, I picture the scene from the Untouchables.

Also, while walking by I saw a Clinton +2 in Florida poll. Now, Florida is absolutely must win for Trump, but if +2 is the best they can massage, I feel a bit better. NC looked better yesterday as did NV.

Meanwhile, I've seen stories about NH and VA tightening and coming into play, which is not to say that Trump can win either, but it's good news all the same. I had more or less written off Imperial City's southern suburbs.

PA, sigh ... the white whale of the Electoral College. I think Michigan is more likely to fall than PA.

Anonymous fish November 03, 2016 10:55 AM  

The cucks will freak out in ways I don't think it's possible for us to imagine yet.


So you're telling me there is still more benefit to a Trump win!

Blogger Karl November 03, 2016 11:00 AM  

@35 pardons do not prevent impeachment. that is black letter in the Constitution. The question is whether someone currently out of office is impeachable.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 03, 2016 11:02 AM  

The best legacy Obama winds up with is a 'Gerald Ford' more likely he is the next 'Jimmy Carter'.

If he wants to look like Jimmy Carter's Gerald Ford he pardons the Embalmed One. On the other hand he's in the bag with Hillary as he used the illegal server with an alias as well. He can pardon himself but he'll be a name to curse with for another hundred years. Assuming America survives.

Anonymous Ironsides November 03, 2016 11:03 AM  

That one program is predicting that Trump wins New York. Now THAT would be something to see.

Blogger bob kek mando ( I are Spartacus ... and you can too! C'mon, give it a try, these crosses are way more comfy than they look ) November 03, 2016 11:03 AM  

22. Tom Kratman November 03, 2016 10:22 AM
He has to have an actual crime to pardon.



obviously legally AND HISTORICALLY ( Ford pardoned Nixon with no charges outstanding and Impeachment not even begun ) false.

you are conflating the constrained pardon power of a governor with the unconstrained pardon power of the POTUS.

a lawyer should know better.



22. Tom Kratman November 03, 2016 10:22 AM
However, I would still recommend against prosecution, beyond laying charges and driving her into exile.



so what would be your LEGAL solution to the Clinton Foundation then, if there is no conviction for anything?


Anonymous RC November 03, 2016 11:04 AM  

Agreed regarding the game theory. Indict her now on something. Other charges can be sorted out later. If Obama pardons, he'll have to provide a blanket pardon, an act with huge downstream political ramifications. Plus, he can't issue a pardon for crimes yet to be committed and her personality won't be able to avoid criminal activity of some sort because of all the complex, ensnaring laws. Even unwinding all of her criminal enterprise will make for new crimes.

A friendly competitor spent 6 months in Leavenworth because he late-paid 401(k) contributions in order to make payroll. Another man visited Leavenworth for "structuring" cash withdrawals to avoid reporting requirements. Turn these silly laws around to take the evil out. Then get rid of all these laws designed to ensnare the innocent.

If authorities want to take her out, they'll be able to. Then they must root this corruption out to the last compromised low-level agent. Put them in jail, cancel their pensions, make it clear that criminality will be exposed and will have consequences.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 03, 2016 11:04 AM  

The primary 'limitation' on the Presidential pardon pwoer is that the President can't pardon state crimes.

The New York Governor pardon power might have more limitations and actual procedures and laws.
I'm not sure what state or states the underage kid actions took place in, or which.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 03, 2016 11:12 AM  

@39
The most important voting block at this point appears to be Reluctant Republicans, partly because of Utah, but in general as well. They don't like Trump much, but they aren't hard-core NeverTrump, so they're still waffling.

Yeah, saw some in Wisconsin interviewed the other day. I keep wondering, "What the cuck will it take to wake you zombies up?"

This might be that thing.

Anonymous BGKB November 03, 2016 11:14 AM  

Someone needs to tell Yahoo. They still say he is doomed.

even Scandicucks look at the Somali takeover of Minneapolis politics and feel something

"Ho Ho I am not going to vote for that Hilter, pst hey broker put me down for oven futures"

If Trump wins, who takes the loss harder, the cucks or the Democrats?

The cucks, they stay in power if they lose to democrats but not conservatives.

The most important voting block at this point appears to be Reluctant Republicans, partly because of Utah, but in general as well. They don't like Trump much, but they aren't hard-core NeverTrump, so they're still waffling.

Would it help if someone came out as Mormon Egghead's ex boyfriend?

He has to have an actual crime to pardon.

Next you will tell us there is no constitutional right to wedding cakes.

I'm not sure what state or states the underage kid actions took place in, or which.

If there are pics on Wiener's computer of HilLIARy muff diving on a little Haitian girl in Haiti, is it breaking NY law?

Anonymous Lit Dog November 03, 2016 11:18 AM  

Rasmussen’s on board nationally. Yesterday, we saw Colorado coming over. With so many states now beginning to show the reality of support for Trump, I wonder if Utah (led by RAT cucks Mitt Romney and Mike Lee) is going to look like the dumbest red state ever come next Tuesday.

I have a short story about a cuck accepting the Republicans Against Trump nonsense up at:

www.DukeDougherty.com/remarks

It plays on the Egg McMuffin meme that’s been floating around since Romney and Lee put up their Utah spoiler candidate McMullin.

These RATs think Trump’s imperfect behavior disqualifies him, yet Hillary’s push for WWIII with nuclear Russia is just fine.

Of course, it’s fine for the international bankers. That’s why they hate Trump.

Blogger Zach November 03, 2016 11:24 AM  

@Cail,

The left can spin anything as a politicized attack from the right.

They're already in the headspace of Poor Persecuted Hillary, bravely enduring the slings and arrow of outrageous misogyny. Any and all accusations, charges or indictments only fuel that view. "See how far they're willing to go to sling mud as She Who Is Rightfully Our First Vagina-President!!"

peace,
Zach

Blogger sysadmn November 03, 2016 11:24 AM  

Obama is in "polishing my legacy" mode. He's seen what happened to President Gerald Ford. IMHO, if he pardons Hilary, there are two possibilities. Either the charges her pardons her for can be spun as completely political (as in not a sex scandal, no smoking gun of pay for play), or he's implicated also, and wants to head off further investigate.

In the latter case, he'd have to pardon anyone remotely implicated by the emails. Otherwise, while Hilary and anyone else he pardoned would walk, the investigation would proceed. Even in the best case, pardons would not prevent the House from reviewing the evidence. Even attempting to shut it down in the name of National Security would not help. If House Republicans had a spine (and they might in this case, since they smell blood), the investigation would proceed privately.

In the former case, does anyone think our Narcissistic President would go to the mat for a pedophile, or openly corrupt, hated harrigan? The Clintons are powerful only as long as they are powerful; if they look sufficiently weakened, it's everyone for themselves and their influence evaporates.

In summary, if there is a smoking gun in the emails, sh*t will hit the fan.

Blogger OGRE November 03, 2016 11:25 AM  

Things to remember:

As is being pointed out, the President's pardon power is broad. It can cover any and all federal crimes, discovered or undiscovered, up to the point in time of the pardon. The only real limitation is that it cannot pardon impeachment, and that is in the text of the Constitution.

Given what we are seeing come out, Hillary has to win this election. Thats really her only out. If Trump wins then the shackles come off for real. She might get a pardon, but the Clinton name, their allies, their legacy, will be destroyed forever. Thus from her perspective they will take almost any risk to win this election, because losing the election is the biggest risk of all.

On the other side though, there are other considerations. Seeking an arrest or indictment prior to the election could guarantee a Trump win, but it casts a cloud of illegitimacy over the affair and that could have lasting effects on what Trump can accomplish once in office. And if as we suspect the chance of Trump winning is high, then we are looking at moderate risk for little reward. A pre-election arrest would be overkill...wasting resources to ensure victory when victory is near certain, but incurring political costs in the long run.

Holding off on the indictments till after the election and then Trump winning is the big get here. Especially if what comes out is so damaging that in hindsight Comey can't reasonably be blamed for reopening the investigation; instead he'll look like a modicum of restraint in not seeking a pre-election arrest. This greatly legitimizes Trump's presidency and allows him to pursue the Clintons and his agenda with less interference. If hes winning as we suspect, then holding off proceedings against HRC till after the election is a low risk, high reward strategy.

Obama can absolutely sink HRC by pardoning her before the election. That would be a big time Fuck You. He takes away any chance she had at the presidency while looking magnanimous all at once. And the pardon doesn't prevent evidence from coming out, it just prevents prosecution and punishment. And it doesn't prevent prosecution against all the other moving parts in the Clinton machine, or against any state-level crimes that might be out there. The risk to Obama is the effect it might have on his legacy, and depending on what is out there on the Clintons that could be substantial. And theres stuff coming up now that could get him in trouble too, so he might be wanting a pardon of his own; not sure how that could play into him pardoning Clinton though.

tl:dr Assuming that a) Trump is likely to win the election, and b) the evidence against Clinton is indisputably damning: HRC needs to win, nothing else saves her. Trump supporters would be better off holding till after the election to proceed against HRC. Obama could fuck her royally with a pardon but might fuck himself in the process.

Anonymous The OASF November 03, 2016 11:25 AM  

@21

"If those numbers are even close to right, the popular vote is over; her only hope is the Electoral College or outright stealing it."

Therein lies the problem. Only a few select counties in the swing states need be targeted via way of rigged Diebold vote-shaving machines in order to trigger and electoral Hillaryslide. For example, in Pennsylvania, a toxic swamp of voting corruption, only Allegheny County and Erie County need be rigged in order to throw the entire state. The good news? Trump and many of his powerful allies know this and won't let it slide.

So the big question really is this: will the establishment have the grapefruits to try "the big steal" knowing that Trump and his massive following will challenge the Diebolded results with anything up to and including extensive litigation & guns-in-the-streets civil war?

I'm betting that they won't. As the old saying goes "too many people know." Thus, we are seeing Killary hung out to dry.

Anonymous mature-Craig November 03, 2016 11:26 AM  

yeah its kind of like that feeling (long time ago for me) when you studied really hard for the exam, and now you are sitting waiting to take the exam, feeling optimistic

Anonymous Kolya November 03, 2016 11:30 AM  

Obama can be made to remain silent by simply asking him who will pardon him?

Anonymous dagwood November 03, 2016 11:34 AM  

Can't tell about the strategy for pre- or post-election pardon.

But let's keep priorities straight here: if Hitler has to walk so that Trump wins, then so be it. Eyes on the prize: Trump MUST win, even if it means Hitler skates. Whatever is the best strategy for that, is the one to use.

Besides, I'm sure there's enough dirt for President Trump to prosecute Bill, even if the shrew skates. The postman always rings twice.

Anonymous John November 03, 2016 11:40 AM  

He could pardon himself if he so chose.

Blogger Paul November 03, 2016 11:44 AM  

Reading the writing on the wall, Rod Dreher's making his last minute anti-Trump push:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-most-conservative-case-against-trump/

Anyone claiming to be pro-Trump and then giving cucks like Dreher any courtesy at all is like someone saying they find homosexuality repulsive and immoral except when one is sucking their dick.

Anonymous krymneth November 03, 2016 11:45 AM  

I'm actually not that interested in whether or not Hillary Clinton goes to jail at this point, because at the speed our justice system moves at the best of times, estimated-time-to-jail is probably longer than her current natural expected lifetime. As a Christian, and one who has been paying attention to the crimes, the justice system at this point is no longer capable of delivering justice for such vast, vast crimes; it will be left to One who does have such power. I do not envy her.

I also say let the indictments flow, "leak" enough proof that it's obviously not political but the result of true crimes, and let the pardons flow. Obama can only pardon federal crimes; the vast bulk of those involved can still be nailed at state levels for various things. Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion.

Besides, there's multiple levels to this war here, and as our host has repeatedly pointed out, the moral level is the most important in the long term. Spraying pardons every which way is a good tactical move, a dubious strategic move, and an awful moral move. Personally, as unsatisfying as it may be locally and tactically, I'd invite Obama to spread the pardons far and wide. Light up the targets for us, Obama. Show us exactly who we need to go after, with all the inside knowledge you have to bring to bear on the problem. Do it. I dare you.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 03, 2016 11:46 AM  

@51 Zach, I should have said "successfully." Sure, Hillary can shriek that Obama's people and the New York City cops are all part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, being used by Trump to take down an innocent woman. I just don't think many would buy it, beyond the people who have already voted for her at least once.

Anonymous dagwood November 03, 2016 11:47 AM  

The other thing is (and I'm not sure what the law says, this may be moot), if Hitler is arrested prior to the election, does she remain on the ballot regardless? It's possible enough people would still vote for Kaine, since Trump is so widely hated in so many sectors. Or in a really weird Constitutional crisis, the EC could go for Kaine.

Kaine would be an even worse nightmare, because he's even more of a crackpot than Hitler, and he's got the stamina for two terms, and there doesn't seem to be much dirt on him.

If Kaine is even remotely a possibility, then the smart play is to dump a bucket of blood and shit all over Hitler from now til Tuesday, but hold off from an indictment and keep that f!cking bitch on the ballot, so the Trumpenreich is all legit an' sheet.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes November 03, 2016 11:49 AM  

If the evidence shows that the CF ran a pedo ring, then Obama won't pardon her because that stain will follow him the rest of his life. And there would be too many people involved in those crimes. To pardon the entire apparatus would implicate the Big O himself.

If they want to deny her the presidency, then the Patriot Act allows them to toss her in the slammer immediately and hold her without charges till after the election. All they have to prove is that she's a national security threat, and that's a low bar.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker November 03, 2016 11:52 AM  

All of Obama's horses and all of Obama's men will not be able to put Humpty Hillary's narrative back together again.

Anonymous dagwood November 03, 2016 11:53 AM  

If Kaine were to somehow take the win, then Duns SCOTUS is stuffed with a minimum of three more left-wing psychopaths, probably four, and for all intents and purposes we're de facto stuck with Hitler for the next twenty years or longer. Plus you still get amnesty, and Obamacare forever, and all the zany surrender-American-sovereignty-to-the-UN shite they can possibly imagine. There'll be blue-helmeted Nigerians in charge of rape patrol, I mean restoring international order by patrolling US streets, by 2025. By which time the United States as historically understood will be long dead and buried.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 03, 2016 11:57 AM  

There have to be 10% of rank-and-file Democrats who would balk at voting for a candidate holding a pardon on which the ink is still wet. And that's not even taking into consideration the crimes that would have to become public in the first place to make a pardon necessary. If Obama pardons her before election day, she's lost, and it won't be close.

He's plenty self-interested enough to do it anyway if it were to his advantage, but I don't see how it could be. If evidence of his crimes is mixed in with hers, as is surely the case, then pardoning her would only open the possibility of her burning him without fear of consequences. Is he going to trust Hillary Clinton to keep a pardon-for-silence deal? Not a chance. After the election, if she won, might make sense if things are really desperate, but not before.

Blogger Basil Makedon November 03, 2016 12:01 PM  

Out of curiosity, what is known of Hector Morenco? Any kind of track record? I don't think I've come across him before.

Blogger CarpeOro November 03, 2016 12:01 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:This is Obama's FBI and DoJ, and the guy at the head of it all took heat for giving Hillary a pass before. If they charge her, it's hard to see how the left would spin that as a politicized attack from the right..

Don't forget - SJWs are always ready to read someone out if they stray from the current narrative. Also, Clinton supporters are the types to blame the plight of the homeless on Republicans in one breath, and then televise themselves on YouTube kicking a homeless person on the ground when they happen to support Trump (search on homeless Trump supporter). They have no part of logic or consistency, it is all about the feels.

Anonymous dagwood November 03, 2016 12:07 PM  

@65 No, Obama will NEVER, ever, ever be indicted or prosecuted, much less face jail time. He has a First Black President get out of jail free card which is platinum-coated and glows in the dark. His only concern is going to be, "Is it good for Bammy?"

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 03, 2016 12:09 PM  

If there are pics on Wiener's computer of HilLIARy muff diving on a little Haitian girl in Haiti, is it breaking NY law?

Sounds like Hillary should be extradited to Haiti sans her security and the money she stole to pay them.

Anonymous Faceless November 03, 2016 12:15 PM  

From the Rod Dreher American "Conservative" site comments - these pro-Hillary "conservatives" are a self-parody:

"Be an adult – vote for the crook, it’s important. Things are going pretty well in your life, in this country, most of us are doing okay. Just working, paying taxes, trying to enjoy first world life. Sorry some people are struggling, but Trump can’t help them. I don’t want to see the world burn out of spite for the “elites” or whatever nonsense. I’m not The Joker. Vote for the crook. She might never even take office and then it’ll be Kaine. He’s pretty moderate and well liked by all. Very moderate on abortion, too. Save the Republic, vote for the crook. Trump will let you down and betray and embarrass you, I guarantee it. With Clinton you know what you’re getting, and the world won’t blow up."

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 03, 2016 12:16 PM  

Self admitting to being a criminal POTUS.

Blogger clk November 03, 2016 12:23 PM  

"Assuming that a) Trump is likely to win the election, and b) the evidence against Clinton is indisputably damning: HRC needs to win, nothing else saves her"

While I don't want to bust anyone's bubble,. the vast majority of what Trump says is rhetoric (read "persuasive but not true") meant for his red meat followers... not an indication of what he will/will not do. Trump is a NY republican and that means middle of the road --- in the end, he returns to that what has been his beliefs for all his adult life.

He will not seek to arrest Hillary or Bill-- if for no other reason that what happens to her can and will happen to him. Nobody wants to turn the US into a banana republic -- even Putin because if the US falls, the rest of the world falls too..,. that's what global economy does - puts all your eggs in one basket and right now the US is holding that basket.

Its has been an interesting race ... one has to wonder whether this was the plan all along... this sort of drama doesn't happen with a carefully written script.

Blogger clk November 03, 2016 12:26 PM  

"Obama will NEVER, ever, ever be indicted or prosecuted, much less face jail time. He has a First Black President get out of jail free card which is platinum-coated and glows in the dark."

Absolutely - 1000% correct. Odds are very low you will Hillary, but you never will get Obama in a US court ... Now.. maybe a foreign court yes .. but in the US.. never ever ever...

Blogger pyrrhus November 03, 2016 12:26 PM  

@72 That's why Hillary's child raping ways need to be publicized...then we can ostracize anyone who says we should vote for her...

Blogger pyrrhus November 03, 2016 12:28 PM  

@74 Trump will not interfere with the FBI investigations and subsequent indictment of the Clintons, Clinton Foundation, etc. That's all that's necessary.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 03, 2016 12:31 PM  

By the way, about that 50% ceiling, remember when Trump's ceiling was supposed to be half that? With Republicans? I found this comment from last August which was typical:

"Trump is not winning the nomination. I suppose it's fun to speculate about, but his ceiling of support (about 25%) has already been reached. He won't go beyond that. The only reason he's leading is because the anointed front-runner has so spectacularly fallen on his face (Bush). Once the moderate wing of the party (who actually ARE the majority of the party, despite the loud voices of the rightists) settles on a Trump-alternative (my money is on Rubio), this dalliance with Trump will be nothing more than a wet burp in sea of noise."

It's been quite a time.

Blogger Lobo Util November 03, 2016 12:31 PM  

Obama will create a large charity, that will get lots of donations from friends of Clinton. And he will also get a lot of speaking engagements.

Blogger Quizzer W November 03, 2016 12:33 PM  

Cucks get pithed if Trump wins, if he is at all politically savvy. He becomes head of the Republican party and takes control of the money. He makes an example or two (please, please make it Paul Ryan) and puts every Republican on notice that you support him or you get nothing. Frankly, he has a phone and a pen and doesn't need them to undo much of the mess we're in. Just enforcing already existing laws will help a lot.

Is this good for The Constitution? Probably not. But a) do you really think we're putting the genie back in *that* bottle? and b) what's The Constitution?

Anonymous BGKB November 03, 2016 12:34 PM  

That's why Hillary's child raping ways need to be publicized...then we can ostracize anyone who says we should vote for her

"There is no such thing as other people's children" HilLAIRy Clinton.

might go on the back of a Bill Clinton is a rapist shirt.

Anonymous dagwood November 03, 2016 12:40 PM  

Hitler: "It Takes a Village Full of Children For Me To --- wait, let me rephrase that.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 03, 2016 12:46 PM  

From the standpoint of anyone with a stake in national security, defeating Clinton is essential. Putting her in prison is, as others have noted, difficult simply because she can string out the process until she dies of natural causes. But she MUST be kept out of the Oval Office, she'll do too damned much damage. I'd love to see the assessment of the security breach already...it's almost certainly TS, and absolutely damning.

As for Obama, I'd LIKE to see a proper investigation into his college records. Because I think the whole birth certificate issue ignored the elephant in the room - that Obama could claim dual citizenship (and possibly triple citizenship), Kenya, U.S., and possibly Indonesian. The State Department does not recognize dual citizenship. I'm betting that his college records were kept sealed because he applied as a foreign national.

Which means that he was never legitimately President...and therefore could not legitimately nominate two Justices to the Supreme Court.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 03, 2016 12:53 PM  

"I think Minnesota goes Trump". Me thinks you're crazy. There isn't a chance in hell this libtard state goes red.

@8 wEz
Newt pointed out that one poll found the Duluth district going for Trump. The MSP area is apparently going for Hillary, though.

For example, in Pennsylvania, a toxic swamp of voting corruption, only Allegheny County and Erie County need be rigged in order to throw the entire state. The good news? Trump and many of his powerful allies know this and won't let it slide.

@56 The OASF
OTOH, Trump is apparently far more popular in PA than Romney or McCain ever were.

Blogger Geir Balderson November 03, 2016 1:05 PM  

And, there is just no excitement for the old white lady by the young progressive, blacks as they were for the history-making of our first dark-tanned Prezzie. Plus, Hilliary is so drop-dead decrepit. We need an energetic and forceful man in the White House!! Trump might be bombastic but he is an American! Hilliary is close to being French. I am curious though, how does her stashed Dorian Gray portrait appear? It must be wet with evil and corruption!

Anonymous Housecat Warrior of Asgard November 03, 2016 1:09 PM  

If that's the case, how did he win the nomination?

Blogger OGRE November 03, 2016 1:15 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:

Which means that he was never legitimately President...and therefore could not legitimately nominate two Justices to the Supreme Court.


If you're suggesting that his presidency could somehow be declared void after the fact, and thus his appointments of Sotomeyer and Kagan are also void...well as nice as that sounds theres no way that happens. Theres several legal theories that can be applied to make valid his official acts even if his taking office was invalid and unconstitutional. Similar things happen all the time. About the only area of American law where something thats void invalidates everything else down the line is in real estate, and even then theres legal doctrines that can make void actions valid.

Anonymous FP November 03, 2016 1:20 PM  

@49 "Would it help if someone came out as Mormon Egghead's ex boyfriend?"

Talk about taking one for the team BGS.

Blogger Harold November 03, 2016 1:21 PM  

stratonacreous November 03, 2016 10:41 AM

"all offenses against the United States which he … has committed or may have committed or taken part in"

This prevented impeachment from being possible, which is essentially the same as an indictment.


Ummm- No. Impeachment in the House and subsequent Senate trial are not criminal proceedings. They're not covered under pardon power. Neither would be the sentence if found guilty at the Senate trial.

What's questionable, and I've seen multiple interpretations, can someone be impeached and tried while they're not in office? I tend to think the answer is no. Can impeachment occur for things that occurred before holding office? Absolutely.

Anonymous BGKB November 03, 2016 1:25 PM  

thus his appointments of Sotomeyer and Kagan are also void...well as nice as that sounds theres no way that happens.

Actually you can get rid of even more than them by going after the Supremes who didn't recuse themselves from the gay marriage decision, who officiated gay marriages before hand.

Blogger ZhukovG November 03, 2016 1:35 PM  

I can't believe Bill C hasn't cut an immunity deal to testify against Hillary. He's missing his one chance to screw his wife.

Blogger seeingsights November 03, 2016 1:38 PM  

Well. There does seem to be factions within in Deep State and two of those factions--the intelligence community and law enforcement (both Federal and local)--do not want Hillary.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd November 03, 2016 2:31 PM  

clk wrote:He will not seek to arrest Hillary or Bill-- if for no other reason that what happens to her can and will happen to him.

If Trump avoids pedophilia and private servers, he has little to worry about. This is what liberals don't get: most of us aren't as evil, corrupt and perverse as most liberals are.

clk wrote: Nobody wants to turn the US into a banana republic ...

In a banana republic, some are Too Big To Jail. Prosecuting Hillary takes us away from banana republic status.

Blogger Rusty Fife November 03, 2016 2:32 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:He has to have an actual crime to pardon. Since so many of her crimes cannot be admitted to, there should still be enough to prosecute. However, I would still recommend against prosecution, beyond laying charges and driving her into exile.

That's mighty white of you; but we don't live in that country anymore. I'll point to all the political prosecutions of Republicans in Travis County Texas.

Governor Perry had to dodge felony charges as he entered the race this year. Don't think they wouldn't have clapped him in irons if they had the chance.

Blogger OGRE November 03, 2016 2:46 PM  

Wikileaks twitter linked to a very interesting Reddit that is looking to connect some dots between HRC, a convicted sex trafficker, and child trafficking in Haiti...

https://twitter.com/wikileaks

Blogger VoodooJock November 03, 2016 2:47 PM  

I'm not an attorney, but can you even pardon someone without an indictment or a conviction?

Blogger OGRE November 03, 2016 2:53 PM  

@96 I am an attorney. Yes, at the federal level the President can indeed do so, as the pardon power is very broad. The only real limitations on it are 1) can't pardon impeachments, and 2) has to be for a violation of federal (not state) law. Ford pardoned Nixon without any indictment. At the state level, governors are often bound by state law and procedure that limits their pardon powers to some extent.

Blogger James Dixon November 03, 2016 2:58 PM  

> If Obama has to pardon her before the election, that will prove her criminality and seal the deal for Trump.

That assumes facts not in evidence, namely that voters who intend to vote for her care.

> The other thing is (and I'm not sure what the law says, this may be moot), if Hitler is arrested prior to the election, does she remain on the ballot regardless?

As I understand it, yes. And if elected, Kaine would probably become President in her place.

> There have to be 10% of rank-and-file Democrats who would balk at voting for a candidate holding a pardon on which the ink is still wet.

I don't believe that any more. It used to be true, but politics is now everything to these people.

Anonymous Benjamin Banklin November 03, 2016 3:09 PM  

In a banana republic, some are Too Big To Jail. Prosecuting Hillary takes us away from banana republic status.

It's an empire, not a republick - if we can keep the dumbasses borrowing and watching our media/entertainment.

Blogger Nick S November 03, 2016 3:33 PM  

An interesting and plausible theory

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd November 03, 2016 3:42 PM  

Benjamin Banklin wrote:It's an empire, not a republick - if we can keep the dumbasses borrowing and watching our media/entertainment.

Banana empire?

Blogger M Cephas November 03, 2016 3:49 PM  

If they wait for Trump to get in, Obama will be unable to pardon her. If they want to wait that long and believe he will win.

Anonymous Anonymous November 03, 2016 7:24 PM  

One thing that really surprises me about you yanks is this:
Is there no provision in your laws to call NO CONFIDENCE vote against Obummer and remove him from the office before he can do more harm.
After all, his involvement and therefore criminal intent to divert the course of justice are very evident.

Anonymous Kolya November 03, 2016 8:26 PM  

America needs a prison camp on one of the Aleutians. The criminal governing and banking elite would have to chop their own wood for their barracks Franklin stove. Personally, I would have them split American elm just for laughs.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 04, 2016 8:29 AM  

Pay attention, Chris, I said an actual crime (understood to have happened and to be chargeable), not an actual conviction.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 04, 2016 8:30 AM  

No, Bob, it would be my political opinion.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 04, 2016 8:31 AM  

Oh, and Bob? You, too, ought a) to note the difference between a conviction for a crime and the crime itself and b) generally speaking, don't argue law with a lawyer.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 04, 2016 8:32 AM  

Oh, and Bob? You, too, ought a) to note the difference between a conviction for a crime and the crime itself and b) generally speaking, don't argue law with a lawyer.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 04, 2016 8:32 AM  

No, Bob, it would be my political opinion.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 04, 2016 8:32 AM  

Pay attention, Chris, I said an actual crime (understood to have happened and to be chargeable), not an actual conviction.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 04, 2016 9:10 AM  

Rusty, if we're going to start charging pols, thus motivating them to never give up power, and to do anything to get it to avoid prosecution, then we need to go whole hog. By that I mean massive round ups, massive executions, often without trial, ethnic cleansing, gas chambers and ovens, and perhaps civil war, which, ya know, it's always possible we won't win. So when I express reluctance to use the legal system to chastise corrupt lefty (and some righty) pols, it's not because I wouldn't like to Christianize the motherfuckers (the traditional way, with big fucking nails), but because the price of doing so may be simply too high. You mention Perry as if that's as bad as it might get. No, sadly not; it can get MUCH worse than that.

Blogger Tom Kratman November 04, 2016 9:10 AM  

Rusty, if we're going to start charging pols, thus motivating them to never give up power, and to do anything to get it to avoid prosecution, then we need to go whole hog. By that I mean massive round ups, massive executions, often without trial, ethnic cleansing, gas chambers and ovens, and perhaps civil war, which, ya know, it's always possible we won't win. So when I express reluctance to use the legal system to chastise corrupt lefty (and some righty) pols, it's not because I wouldn't like to Christianize the motherfuckers (the traditional way, with big fucking nails), but because the price of doing so may be simply too high. You mention Perry as if that's as bad as it might get. No, sadly not; it can get MUCH worse than that.

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