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Monday, November 21, 2016

Viaje al pensamiento de Alt-right

It's interesting to see that the Argentine media is considerably more professional than the US media. Instead of running to the likes of (((Ben Shapiro))) and other self-professed enemies of the Alt-Right to explain what it is and what it believes, Gabriela Esquivada took the unusual approach of simply asking Jared Taylor and me for her piece entitled "A Visit to the Thinking of the Alt-Right":
Viaje al pensamiento de Alt-right: qué es y cómo funciona la nueva derecha de Estados Unidos. 

Estan cansados de la corrección política y el conservadurismo tradicional. Son nacionalistas, antiglobalización y defensores de una América blanca. Su influencia en la victoria de Donald Trump

En los Estados Unidos se ha presentado como un conjunto laxo de personas y organizaciones que van de la derecha a la ultraderecha, y que han ganado espacio en los medios que tratan de encontrar explicaciones a la elección de Donald Trump. Se llama Alternative Right, Alt-Right: derecha alternativa (DA).

"Es una ideología occidental que cree en la ciencia, la historia, la realidad y el derecho de una nación genética a existir y gobernarse en su propio interés", definió Vox Day, seudónimo de uno de los bloggers más influyentes de este movimiento variopinto que se ha cocido en los Estados Unidos al fuego de la crisis económica y la decepción política de los últimos años.

El autor de Vox Popoli recomendó la lectura de los 16 puntos que él sintetizó como base de una filosofía de la DA, entre los que se destacan la superación del conservadurismo tradicional, la defensa de "los tres pilares de la civilización occidental" (el cristianismo, las naciones europeas y el legado grecorromano), el nacionalismo, la oposición a la globalización y el igualitarismo, la defensa de la política de la identidad y el proteccionismo, entre otros puntos....

El racismo y el sexismo son ideas y ninguna idea es mala, según Vox: "El hecho de que alguien pueda legítimamente tener una creencia no significa que alguien más no pueda creer que está equivocada o despreciarla. Dicho eso, algunas ideas encontradas pueden coexistir. Otras no".

—Hay creencias que pueden conducir a acciones destructivas.

—¿Y qué? La ciencia lleva a acciones mucho más mortíferas que cualquier creencia —siguió Vox—. ¿Deberíamos matar a todos los científicos para asegurarnos que ninguno podrá construir armas peligrosas? La gente sólo puede ser responsabilizada por sus acciones, no se puede ejercer el poder de policía sobre las creencias sin recurrir a la tiranía total y el control del pensamiento.

"La DA está cansada de la corrección política", marcó Sabo uno de los ejes de ese ideario. "Porque no es posible prever hasta dónde la llevará la izquierda". Vox cree que la corrección política "es un cáncer y un intento de controlar el modo en que se le permite pensar y hablar a las personas". Agregó, enfático: "Es una abominación neo-marxiana".
It's a very good article that, wonder of wonders, actually reports rather than editorializes. This should make it clear, as if there was still any doubt remaining, that the Alt-Right is a global phenomenon, of interest to nationalists and their opponents all over the world.

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38 Comments:

Blogger JP November 21, 2016 2:42 AM  

Socialist crapholes aside, isn't the anti-Western bias in the media more a thing in English-speaking spheres?

Blogger Phillip George November 21, 2016 2:43 AM  

It's of interest to people all over the world because child stealing pedophile rings have been global for quite some time. Draining the D.C. Swamp means exhuming skeletons in a lot of places.

We hope Trump will succeed in the same way as a murder weapon will be found.

Disappeared kids has been a problem since Eden. Remember this. Their blood cries out. How much longer ? Is actually a cry echoing thrrough the heavens.

We want Trump to win not just a ceremonial role but a Bon fire, lighting track to the very ends of the earth, they have no where to run or hide role.

Anonymous llsepher November 21, 2016 2:52 AM  

Any chance of getting a translation?

Blogger Badger Brigadon November 21, 2016 3:28 AM  

Journey to Alt-right thinking: what is and how the new United States right works.

They are tired of political correctness and traditional conservatism. They are nationalists, anti-globalization and defenders of a white America. His influence on the victory of Donald Trump

In the United States it has been presented as a loose set of people and organizations that go from the right to the far right, and have gained space in the media trying to find explanations for the election of Donald Trump. It's called Alternative Right, Alt-Right: Alternative Right (DA).

"It is a Western ideology that believes in science, history, reality and the right of a genetic nation to exist and govern itself in its own interest," Vox Day, the pseudonym of one of the most influential bloggers in this Has been fired in the United States to the fires of the economic crisis and political disappointment of recent years.

The author of Vox Popoli recommended the reading of the 16 points he synthesized as the basis of a philosophy of the DA, among which stand out the overcoming of traditional conservatism, the defense of "the three pillars of Western civilization" (Christianity , European nations and the Greco-Roman legacy), nationalism, opposition to globalization and egalitarianism, defense of identity politics and protectionism, among other points ....

Racism and sexism are ideas and no idea is bad, according to Vox: "The fact that someone can legitimately have a belief does not mean that someone else can not believe that he is wrong or despise it.That said, some ideas can coexist. Others do not. "

"There are beliefs that can lead to destructive actions. And that fake Science leads to actions far more deadly than any belief, "continued Vox. Should we kill all the scientists to make sure that no one can build dangerous weapons? People can only be held accountable for their actions, they can not exert police power over beliefs without resorting to total tyranny and control of thought.

"DA is tired of political correctness," Sabo said one of the axes of that ideology. "Because it is not possible to predict how far the left will carry it." Vox believes that political correctness "is a cancer and an attempt to control the way people are allowed to think and speak." He added emphatically: "It's a neo-Marxian abomination."

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 21, 2016 3:28 AM  

Punch it into Google Translate. It will be worth your time, trust me. Even with my rusty knowledge of Español, I did not get all of the nuances until I read the translation.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 21, 2016 3:33 AM  

Or what Badger said.

Blogger Ceerilan November 21, 2016 3:59 AM  

With a single report Argentina created more accurate reporting on the alt-right than all of the USA and Europe. Let me get this straight...the American mass media would be better run if run from Argentina? BAHAHAHAHA!

Blogger Alvin von Diaspar November 21, 2016 4:11 AM  

The ethnic cleansing of whites isn't a new thing in the American continent. It was already achieved (and with such success!) in almost completely white Cuba in the 60s. Cuba was back then a nation where the vast majority of the population was European Spanish, with small but not insignificant contributions from other European nations. Now look at it: a mulato and black underclass governed by illiterate tyrants. All the white intelligentsia (doctors, engineers, lawers, professors) got the hell out and went to Florida or Spain.

And Argentina is another example. Argentina's almost fully white population of the 50s and 60s (mostly Spanish and Italian, but with very significant German, Polish and French minorities) is now dwindling due to the mass arrival of immigrants from the indigenous countries in the north.

Do not think this is just happening to America. Look at Cuba: that is the end stage of what the social justice left has in mind for the USA.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable November 21, 2016 4:24 AM  

Incidentally, DA most likely means Alt-Right, since adjectives go after nouns and right is derecho.

Anonymous Elperro November 21, 2016 4:48 AM  

Que Dios no bendigo.

Blogger peter blandings November 21, 2016 4:57 AM  

WTF, Vox? what's the point of this?

Anonymous Viidad November 21, 2016 5:18 AM  

La mayoría de las personas son idiotas.

Anonymous VFM0265 November 21, 2016 5:24 AM  

haha....MPAI. Good one, Viidad!

Blogger Daniel November 21, 2016 5:43 AM  

Actually i think she used google translate. Kind of confusing read for a newbie. But it is a start, we need alt rigth in Argentina.

Blogger Daniel November 21, 2016 5:47 AM  

Hola? Más lectores de Argentina? conectemonos

Blogger VD November 21, 2016 5:59 AM  

WTF, Vox? what's the point of this?

The Alt-Right is not only for those who are Americans or speak English. Do you not see the list of translations on the right sidebar?

Anonymous Mister M November 21, 2016 6:33 AM  

I'm gone for a few days and now the site in written in Mexican!?

Blogger Daisy Palmer November 21, 2016 6:35 AM  

It's been discovered that there is open child pornography rampant on twitter, so now Jack Dorsey is now banning the accounts that have exposed it, including some from Anonymous. There are apparently 9000 of those accounts.

Blogger Earl November 21, 2016 7:05 AM  

Does an "open" porn ring on the Internet get "discovered"? Not like it was a secret.

Blogger Stilicho November 21, 2016 7:12 AM  

The media treatment of the alt-right phenomenon is of a piece with them trying to blame Hillary's loss on "fake news sites". Leaving aside the ridiculous assertions that Breitbart, the Onion, and Zerohedge (among others) are fake news sites, even if they were, how bad does the credibility of the leftist media have to be that people are more willing to accept an obvious satire site like th Onion at face value than CNN, ABCN etc.? There's the real story, just like the real story of the alt-right is 1) what it stands for, and 2) it's very existence, not what it's enemies wish it was.

Thank you, Lord, for making my enemies ridiculous.

Blogger Salt November 21, 2016 7:13 AM  

VD wrote:Do you not see the list of translations on the right sidebar?

No.

Blogger Lobo Util November 21, 2016 7:15 AM  

Que idea? Hablar con las personas mas sabios par entender un movimiento de gran peso y posibilidad.

Blogger Daisy Palmer November 21, 2016 7:48 AM  

Go on #TwitterGate,they have the accounts archived, they know who they are.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 21, 2016 8:14 AM  

D derecha/derecho right
A alternativa/alternativo alternative

Anonymous Yann November 21, 2016 8:33 AM  

For whoever who understand Spanish, I highly recommend this video. Jorge Vestrynge is a Spanish politician, and probably one of the most polemical and clever ones right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-9M53FmjOI

Blogger peter blandings November 21, 2016 8:37 AM  

no, i didn't see it. my mistake. i know it's the 16 points. could you do it in russian? i think they would appreciate it, especially now that they're going to be our new allies since the scumbag neocons are going to be booted into the next galaxy by Trump.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric November 21, 2016 8:38 AM  

llsepher wrote:Any chance of getting a translation?
I'm rusty enough that about halfway through I was tired, and had Google translate it. It did a good enough job.

I love how they translated Cuckservative into Spanish. Conservaflojo. Brilliant. Flojo is a multipurpose word that can mean everything from loose to floppy, flaccid, limp, and even leaky.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair November 21, 2016 8:41 AM  

Phenomenal article! My aunt, who has lived here for over a decade, is Argentine. I'll be sure to show her the article and get her thoughts. I second Gaiseric about conservaflojo.

Anonymous Yann November 21, 2016 8:53 AM  

#27 There was a popular term in Spain equivalent to Cuckservative: "Mari Complejines". Literally it means "Mary Complexes" or "Neurotic Mary". It became popular because when you read it quickly, it sounds like the Spanish term for "faggot"

Blogger VFM #7634 November 21, 2016 9:23 AM  

@Gaiseric

I've heard "cornuservador" for cuckservative.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin November 21, 2016 9:39 AM  

Good article. It would be nice to see alt-right thinking take hold in Latin American, but explicit white nationalism will be a tough sell outside of the southern cone

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 21, 2016 10:28 AM  

Cuernu' is Puertorrican slang for a cuckhold. It is derived from cuerno, horn in English.

Blogger cheddarman November 21, 2016 10:28 AM  

I have heard that south brazil would like to be its own country, and separate itself from the lower IQ north.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope November 21, 2016 11:25 AM  

I recommend following the link to the whole article, and using Google Translate if you don't comprende espanol.

Looks like the author of this article covered her bases, referencing many of the alt-right leadership and examining their beliefs in their own words. With only a couple quotes from the left, such as Huffpo.

Blogger AureliusMoner November 21, 2016 12:51 PM  

Englished for y'alls ease and comfort...

They are tired of political correctness, and of traditional conservatism. They are nationalists; anti-globalization and defenders of a white America; their influence in the victory of Donald Trump::

In the United States, there has appeared, as it were, a loose gathering of persons and organizations, ranging from the right to the far right, and which have gained ground in the middle, which tries to find explanations for the election of Donald Trump. It calls itself the Alternative Right or alt-right (AR).

It is a Western ideology which believes in science, history, reality and the right of a racial nation to exist and to govern itself in its own interests," explained Vox Day, pseudonym of one of the most influential bloggers of this multifaceted movement which has boiled up in the United States over the fire of an economic crisis and the political deceit of recent years.

The author of Vox Popoli recommended a reading of the 16 points which he synthesized as a basis for an AR philosophy, amongst those who emphasize moving past traditional conservatism, and the defense of the "three pillars of Western Civilization" (Christendom, European Nations and the Greco-Roman legacy), nationalism, opposition to globalism, egalitarianism, defense of the polity and of identity, and protectionism, amongst other points...

Racism and sexism are ideas, and no idea is evil, according to Vox: "The fact that somebody pay legitimately hold a belief, does not mean that somebody else may not believe that he has mistaken, nor criticize it. That said, some of the ideas we encounter are able to coexist; others, cannot."

- But there are beliefs which can lead to destructive acts.

- "So what? Science brings about much more lethal actions than any belief," Vox continued, "Ought we to kill all scientists, to ensure that none might construct dangerous weaponry? People can only be responsible for their actions; they can't exercise power of policy over beliefs without having recourse to absolute tyranny and thought-policing."

"The AR is tired of political correctness," remarked Sabo, one of the cardinal thinkers of this ideology, "because it is not possible to foresee whither the Left shall take it." Vox believes that political correctness is "a cancer, and an intent to control the mode in which people are permitted to think and to speak." He added, emphatically: "It is a neo-Marxist abomination."

Blogger Scott H. November 21, 2016 2:11 PM  

Somebody asked for a translation:
They are tired of political correctness and traditional conservatism. They are nationalists, antiglobalists and defenders of a white America. [Their influence in the victory of Donald Trump] sic

In the United States it has been presented as a loose grouping of persons and organizations that range from the right to the ultraright and it has gained space in the media that attempts to explain the election of Donald Trump. It is called the Alternative Right, Alt-Right: derecha alternative in Spanish.

“It is an western ideology that believes in science, history, reality and the right of a genetic nation to exist and govern itself in it´s own interest”, as defined by Vox Day, the pseudonym of one of the most influential bloggers of this multifaceted movement that has cooked itself up in the US over the fire of economic crisis and the political deception of the recent years.

The author of Vox Populi recommended the reading of the 16 points that he synthesized as a basis of the philosophy of the alt right. Among those is the evolution of traditional conservatism, the defense of the three pillars of western civilization (Christianity, European nations and the Greco-roman civilization) nationalism, the opposition to globalism and egalitarianism, the defense of the politics of identity and protectionism among other points.

Tacism and sexism are ideas and no idea is bad according to Vox: “ The fact that someone could legitimately have a belief doesn´t mean that someone else can´t believe that they are mistaken or minimize that belief. Some contrary ideas can coexist. Others can´t.

– There are some beliefs that can lead to destructive actions.
– And then what? Science can lead to actions much more deadly than any belief according to Vox—Should we kill all of the scientists in order to assure that none of them might construct deadly arms? Persons can only be held responsible for their actions. It is not possible to exercise police power over beliefs without again having tyranny and total control over thought.

“The alt right is tired of political correctness” stated Sabo one of the axis of this ideology. “Because it isn´t possible to predict to what extent the left will take this idea”, Vox believes that the political correctness “ is a cancer and an attempt to control the mode in which it is permitted to think and talk to people”. He emphatically summed up “ It is a neo Marxist abomination.”

Blogger J.M. November 21, 2016 7:38 PM  

Alvin von Diaspar wrote:The ethnic cleansing of whites isn't a new thing in the American continent. It was already achieved (and with such success!) in almost completely white Cuba in the 60s. Cuba was back then a nation where the vast majority of the population was European Spanish, with small but not insignificant contributions from other European nations. Now look at it: a mulato and black underclass governed by illiterate tyrants. All the white intelligentsia (doctors, engineers, lawers, professors) got the hell out and went to Florida or Spain.

And Argentina is another example. Argentina's almost fully white population of the 50s and 60s (mostly Spanish and Italian, but with very significant German, Polish and French minorities) is now dwindling due to the mass arrival of immigrants from the indigenous countries in the north.

Do not think this is just happening to America. Look at Cuba: that is the end stage of what the social justice left has in mind for the USA.


Well to be fair, the destruction of Argentina was performed by its very almost white population, first came the destruction of the federal system, later on, socialism and so on. And no, there weren't Indians voting for Peron or some of his later copycats...

The same can be said of the opening doors. Who weakened and castrated Argentinian military and security forces?

Well... there we go. By the way, Cuba was not majority white. It was more or less 50%/60% white. What's ironic is that the Marxist leaders of Cuba were white....

Blogger Hippogriffin November 21, 2016 7:45 PM  

Daniel wrote:Hola? Más lectores de Argentina? conectemonos

Necesitamos alt-right, pero no hay alt-right en argentina.

Tenemos a Macri y el pro que es muy cuck a judíos, liberales y extranjeros.
El kirchnerismo es progre-populista y su postura "nacionalista" en lo económico es un cáncer.

Siguen llegando perucas, bolitas y paraguas. Por suerte no vienen tantos, debe ser porque estamos lejos de ser un destino muy deseable. Ahora están llegando africanos encima y el cuck Macri quería traer refugiados sirios para chuparle la pija a Obama.

Necesitamos nacionalistas. No hace falta un muro, pero hay que patrullar las fronteras y parar el goteo del resto de latinoamerica. Hay que recuperar la patagonia de yankees, ingleses, judíos y quien sabe quien más. Y, por cierto, nuestro nacionalismo tiene que ser hispanicista. A pesar de que vino la escoria del sur de Italia, nuestra herencia es española, y es la herencia que debemos conservar.

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