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Sunday, December 11, 2016

Peas and carrot cake

On a colorblind society and other observable absurdities:
To a large degree, I became racially conscious because of my black clients, who eventually destroyed all my preconceived notions about race. My awakening did not come from one or even a few incidents, but from the accumulation of thousands upon thousands of small interactions.

Day after day my clients continue to amaze me. There is no racial education quite so thorough and convincing as spending time with blacks, and my clients are far from being the poorest and least competent blacks. They are not indigent criminals for whom I am a court-appointed lawyer. They are people who can afford (or think they can afford) a lawyer to get a divorce, contest a custody judgment, beat a traffic ticket, etc. Some are government employees who make $60 to $70 thousand a year, yet even this group is vastly different from whites....

In my state, the parent who does not have custody — almost always the father — pays a percentage of net income to the parent with custody — almost always the mother. The mother gets 20 percent of the father’s net income for the first child, 25 percent for two children, and up to 50 percent for five or more children. What if a man has children by several women? Each mother gets 20 percent for the first child, so a man with five children by five different women is supposed to be paying 100 percent of his income in child support. I once had a client who had 12 different children by 10 different women. Theoretically, he owed 250 percent of his income. These laws simply don’t make sense for blacks.
The idea that all races are equally suited to all societies and vice-versa has never made any sense to me, probably because I have lived in four very different societies, with four different languages, as an adult. Whenever I see someone blithely assuring me that the Chinese will adapt to the West because Magic Dirt or virtue-signaling in some other similar fashion, it always makes me smile, because I am a much better cultural chameleon than most and I know very well how very different my values and assumptions and instincts are, and have remained, than the values and assumptions and instincts of those who have variously hosted me over time around the world.

When something so foundational as a legal system cannot reasonably account for variances in behavior, no society, indeed, no civilization, is possible for long. Rest assured, many of those who eagerly anticipate living in a non-white society are going to bitterly, bitterly, regret the world they have lost if they ever get to experience what they think will be a better society.

White people are supreme at precisely one thing: creating white societies. If you want to have a certain type of society, be it German, Japanese, or Navaho, the one thing you absolutely need is a sufficient number of that kind of people. It is strange, but many who understand one cannot make carrot cake from peas or mushrooms still seem to think they can make an American society without Americans.

The ironic thing is that even some of the immigrants are beginning to realize this. In England, for example, some groups of immigrants are becoming increasingly upset because they believed they were going to be living among English people in a functional, highly civilized English society, not among other immigrant groups in a dysfunctional, increasingly uncivilized multicultural society.

Society is people. It is not values, or skin color, or height, or any other thing that people possess. Adulterate the people and you will devalue the society. Demographics is destiny.

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146 Comments:

Anonymous Chill10 December 11, 2016 6:45 PM  

""Magic Dirt" and "Magic Culture" works. It works even better when your type is gone, silent, silented, admonished, petrified, embarrassed and pointed at with derision."

This is exactly right. The undignified nature of the "alt" right has resulted in all the silencing and embarrassment that this slim body of degenerates has wrought.

Blogger Le Regardeur December 11, 2016 6:45 PM  

In general I agree with what Vox writes, but I do find it somewhat binary. Many of the same arguments were made about Irish and Italian immigrants to the U.S. 100 years ago, but few people would argue now that Irish and Italians have not adapted to U.S. society, and also adapted to it.

To me what is key is making the arguments as to why integration doesn't happen now in the same way. Part of the reason is that the cultural/genetic gap is too great. Part of the reason is that the welfare state and technological change facilitate non-integration by migrant groups.

Prior to the Brexit referendum I said on this site that I was opposed to Brexit because it would diminish European immigration to the U.K. and increase Indian, Nigerian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigration to the U.K. This is what we are now seeing the U.K. Labour Party say - that it is unfair for the U.K. to give immigration preference to European immigrants. I am still at a loss as to why posters here seem to agree with that.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 6:46 PM  

Olof, we know you're Tiny Duck. And you're banned and spammed. Don't come back.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 6:51 PM  

In general I agree with what Vox writes, but I do find it somewhat binary. Many of the same arguments were made about Irish and Italian immigrants to the U.S. 100 years ago, but few people would argue now that Irish and Italians have not adapted to U.S. society, and also adapted to it.

That's because MPAI. The Irish and the Italians NEVER adapted to American norms. Those arguments made 100 years ago are correct. The previous wave of immigrants are the cause of the destruction of the current wave of immigration, despite the 60-year pause in immigration that helped partially integrate them.

The only reason you think the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the Scandinavians, and the Jews adapted to American society is because you don't realize how different American society was before them. It would be like someone who grew up looking at the current multicultural nightmare assuming that 80 percent illegitimacy is an American norm.

Blogger l' Américain December 11, 2016 6:51 PM  

Dude, what if we whites are the stupid ones and blacks are like some super advanced race that is just fucking with our heads?

Maybe they are like testing us to see if we are intelligent enough or if we meet some criteria to become a space-faring race.

Anonymous Drose December 11, 2016 6:54 PM  

"It's why we've won and why you are whining."
Nigga What?
Your narrative is falling apart like a house of cards. Things that would not have been discussed between family members 10 years are now being openly discussed in public. I know. SJW rules 1 and 3.

Anonymous The Question December 11, 2016 6:55 PM  

"The ironic thing is that even some of the immigrants are beginning to realize this. In England, for example, some groups of immigrants are becoming increasingly upset because they believed they were going to be living among English people in a functional, highly civilized English society, not among other immigrant groups in a dysfunctional, increasingly uncivilized multicultural society."

I had friends who recently returned from visiting England who ate at a London restaurant owned by Indian immigrants. The owners voted for Brexit and told my friends how they had come to England to be around the English, only to witness London transform into a Muslim city.

It will be interesting to see how this dynamic plays out. We could see a lot of ethnic minorities siding with the European natives from whose presence they benefit during a time of national crisis.

Anonymous Crossphased December 11, 2016 6:58 PM  

@Le Regardeur the Irish and Italians you speak of adapted U.S. society to them.

That's part of the problem: people think they adapted because we live in the America that adapted to the immigrants and don't know the previous America without study.

Blogger Ken Prescott December 11, 2016 7:00 PM  

How much of this is a byproduct of growing up in an environment that simply does not nurture in the slightest, and our continuing subsidy of that environment for generation after generation?

Blogger Le Regardeur December 11, 2016 7:02 PM  

"The only reason you think the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the Scandinavians, and the Jews adapted to American society is because you don't realize how different American society was before them. It would be like someone who grew up looking at the current multicultural nightmare assuming that 80 percent illegitimacy is an American norm."

I'm sure that American society was different before the immigration of these groups, but the Germans and Irish started coming in the 1840s - before the civil war - whereas Jewish and Italian immigration didn't start until the 1880s. I'm not sure about the Scandis.

I'm sure that the adaption was two-way. However, I've always believed that one reason the U.S. encouraged white European immigration was to leaven the black population which was 16% in 1850 compared with 10% in 1920.

The two smartest things that I've ready on this blog are:
- politics is downstream of culture
- all cultures are not equal - there are dysfunctional cultures and functional cultures and migration is allowing dysfunctional cultures to export themselves and parasitise themselves

Anonymous UF December 11, 2016 7:06 PM  

The Irish and Italians did not adapt. Neither did the Germans. They changed society, primarily by bringing in more immigrants. Phillip Hart and Emmanuel Celler were the grandsons of Irish and (((German))) immigrants, respectively, and in 1965 they opened the floodgates to non-Irish and non-German immigrants.

I know the plural of anecdote is not "data," but a half dozen Italians have told me that we should let "Syrian refugees" in our country because, when their parents or grandparents came to America, everyone was afraid they were Mafia. They identified so strongly with "immigrants" that they could not understand that we should act in Americans' best interest. Much less that it's reasonable to not want the Mafia in America.

Blogger Wanderer December 11, 2016 7:07 PM  

Not only did the Irish and Italians not integrate, but tolerance of Catholicism ruined what was once a strong Christian society, and paved the way for the decline of genuine belief in Christianity on a fundamental level as the truth about reality, and more towards religions being regarded as a loose set of cultural traditions and ceremonies.

Blogger Daetrin December 11, 2016 7:11 PM  

A point I saw mentioned somewhere else (I wish it was my thought) was that even the concept of integration-by-immersion, whether or not that idea has any value, is gone. A hundred years ago, if you went somewhere else you were surrounded by a language and a culture and couldn't get outside that influence unless you physically removed yourself from it. Now you can move to another country and get all of your source culture over the internet, so there is even less pressure to adapt.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 11, 2016 7:13 PM  

I'm surprised our attorney friend did not run into BGKB's buddy Latrina and her twins Lemonjello and Oranjello.

Blogger tz December 11, 2016 7:20 PM  

I think it is more like am infection. A small one, and the immune system assimilates it. A large one and the infection becomes the organism.

Or put differently, the melting pot should be a refinery where gold and dross are separated, not where the contaminants become part of the alloy.

Anonymous #8601 December 11, 2016 7:20 PM  

Some immigrants are indeed beginning to realize what's up. The other day, I asked my Chinese colleague (who immigrated a couple of years ago) what he thought of the fact that the Chinese are close to (if not already) outnumbering whites in our city?

He didn't like it one bit. He didn't leave China for nothing.

Blogger Le Regardeur December 11, 2016 7:23 PM  

"tolerance of Catholicism ruined what was once a strong Christian society, and paved the way for the decline of genuine belief in Christianity on a fundamental level as the truth about reality, and more towards religions being regarded as a loose set of cultural traditions and ceremonies."

This is bunkum. The Scandi countries had strong Protestant churches with thriving pietistic traditions. Christianity in those countries dissolved into valid secularism way before they had any immigration at all - as early as the 1930s but certainly was complete by the 1970s. Some of the few Scandi politicians who are anti-immigration are Catholic ones, e.g. Timo Soini, leader of the True Finns. Exactly the same point could be made about Christianity in Wales - where thriving Calvinist and Methodist churches as late as the 1920s have almost vanished.

Vox has always made the point that culture matters. You seem to think that Christianity embedded within secular culture is responsible for its decline. However, the evidence does not support this. Once you divorce Christianity from tradition it soon becomes rootless and vulnerable to takeover/subversion by SJWs - this is exactly what has happened with mainline Protestant churches in the U.S.

Blogger John Williams December 11, 2016 7:23 PM  

Now you can move to another country and get all of your source culture over the internet, so there is even less pressure to adapt.
Not to mention all your ethnic food on Amazon.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy December 11, 2016 7:28 PM  

Skyler the Weird wrote:I'm surprised our attorney friend did not run into BGKB's buddy Latrina and her twins Lemonjello and Oranjello.

I have seen some very unusual names from the Detroit/Flint/Lansing minority areas. In many cases they have nicknames they go by. I know some black lawyers with odd first names. They just don't like being like whites when they have their kids.

The Mayor of Saginaw, Michigan, was named Wilmer Jones Hamm McZee. She was convicted of insurance fraud and lost her office, but she was able to have the pastors purge her conviction because it was her first felony.

Detroit had a Hip Hop Mayor named Kwame Malik Kilpatrick. He was convicted of several state and federal felonies because he was a little greedy in taking bribes and kickbacks. It came to light because allegedly he was with a hooker named Strawberry at a party, and his wife beat her, and the hooker caused issues later.

The hooker was killed by bullets from the same type of pistol used by his personal squad, and the purported police report on the beating has a blank number in place of a report, and the cops investigating the murder were fired for made up reasons (which was the lawsuit where the money crimes came out because he and his posse used government text phones, which is a bad idea)

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 7:31 PM  

How much of this is a byproduct of growing up in an environment that simply does not nurture in the slightest, and our continuing subsidy of that environment for generation after generation?

Little of it. The reason the American black family functioned for a few generations is that it was forced to do so by white society. Once Americans stopped imposing their white culture on blacks, American blacks promptly returned to their cultural norm, despite being, on average, 18 percent white.

Remember, people PREFER their cultural norm. The fact that you're not comfortable with it doesn't mean they're not.

The conservative notion that government ruined the black American family with welfare is false. The Great Society certainly didn't help, and did make things worse, but it didn't ruin it any more than it ruined the Liberian or Somali families.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 11, 2016 7:34 PM  

In England, for example, some groups of immigrants are becoming increasingly upset because they believed they were going to be living among English people in a functional, highly civilized English society, not among other immigrant groups in a dysfunctional, increasingly uncivilized multicultural society.

Don't the immigrants have passports? Then they're English now, problem solved.

Blogger l' Américain December 11, 2016 7:35 PM  

Coming from a person of Italian decent, yea, the Italians absolutely changed this country. 4 million came from 1880 to 1928 (100,000/year) and in 1880 the US population was 50 million. Thats about .002% of the population a year just from italy (600,000/year, but todays population just from one country).

Yea, thats unfortunate. America is definitely not a British country anymore. It is more of a Pan-European country.

My ego wants me to say that this is not so bad... But many things were definitely lost because my people came here.

In response to anecdotal evidence above, I do not want Syrians to come here and I do not identify with immigrants or greasy fat fucking mafioso's.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 7:40 PM  

4 million came from 1880 to 1928 (100,000/year) and in 1880 the US population was 50 million.

One million Muslims enter the EU, population 510 million, and Americans begin shrieking "Europe is gone". Then they turn around and deny that alien immigrants had any effect on historical American society.

Blogger Jose December 11, 2016 7:42 PM  

Aha! Herein you expose your cultural limitations. A lot of carrot cake exists in which no carrot was used...

Minor point: the people buying and eating this carrot cake have never seen, smelled, or tasted carrot cake made with carrots, let alone actual carrots.

But if you ask them, they're willing to fight you to the death for their carrot cake. (Or at least throw a tantrum and run to a safe space.) And don't you try to show them any of your carrot cake with carrots in it.

(Not really about cooking.)

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 7:44 PM  

At some point you should try to put some meat on your meager bone of an argument.

I already have, with my co-author John Red Eagle, in the form of the bestselling book Cuckservative. Do you really expect me to post a 200-page text every single fucking time I mention the subject?

I am already familiar with the concept MPAI. There is no need to demonstrate it here.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 11, 2016 7:44 PM  

@19 VD:

The conservative notion that government ruined the black American family with welfare is false. The Great Society certainly didn't help, and did make things worse, but it didn't ruin it any more than it ruined the Liberian or Somali families.

This was before my time like our host's, but one simple fact make it clear: the Moynihan Report AKA The Negro Family: The Case For National Action was published in 1965, a bit too early for the Great Society, enacted in 1964-5 to have already brought this about.

I wonder why this became a conservative trope, especially since movement conservatives didn't ignore Moynihan.

Anonymous Roundtine December 11, 2016 7:45 PM  

People don't notice Italians and Irish are different because they're white, and they mainly live in a few areas of the country. Go to Boston or the New York area and you can see the difference, more so if you go to family gatherings.

Also, people accept Irish and Italians as Americans because they waved the flag, served in WWII, and assimilated. Even into the 1950s, foreigners who couldn't speak English would hide that fact because they were embarrassed. It is much harder to accept Muslims, Asians, Mexicans and Africans who are visibly different, who curse the flag and the whites who wave it, and demand special treatment above that of natives.

Blogger Geir Balderson December 11, 2016 7:46 PM  

I went to school with blacks up and to 6th grade and many interactions and generally had a good time. Later on we moved to a more 'white' culture that lacked 'diversity'. So, this article is so very interesting to see how black culture is so devastating to blacks!

And, since their intelligence level is so low I doubt they will ever be able to pull them selves up into a future technical society. I don't foresee a 'Star Trek' of love and peace for them. It is very sad. Perhaps, in the future, scientists will be able to infuse low IQ folks with a burst of intelligence. I suspect that Obama should thank his lucky stars he had Caucasian mum?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 11, 2016 7:46 PM  

And what was it about "The time before" you refer to that was so good that it ought to have been preferred to the time after the Jews, Irish and Italians arrived?

High literacy, low time preference for a start. Last of the Mohicans was a best seller when Fenimore Cooper wrote it and most of the readers had an 8th grade education. That same book is too hard for many college students now.

The corrupt Tammany Hall machine was Irish. The Mafia? Italian. Both groups tend towards tribalism, something that wasn't all that strong in the US back in 1810.

Blogger l' Américain December 11, 2016 7:49 PM  

@23

What to do, Voxy?

What to do?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 11, 2016 7:52 PM  

VD
Remember, people PREFER their cultural norm. The fact that you're not comfortable with it doesn't mean they're not.

That sums things up very well. The cultural norm of Somalia is what? That's what the cultural norm of St. Cloud is going to become. The cultural norm of Han China is what? That's where the cultural norm of some parts of SoCal is heading. The cultural norm of Chiapas is what?

Human beings are not interchangeable sprocket parts that can be fitted into a machine called "civilization". Civilizations are ecologies that arise from the behavior of groups of people, and behavior is over 50% inherited, i.e. genetic.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents December 11, 2016 7:54 PM  

Airloot
One would expect that if you wrote the book you could offer a simple answer to the simple question. But you can't, can you.

Well, I'm not VD and I'm probably touching troll-poop, but I can answer: Read The Fine Book. Simple leading question, simple leading answer.

Anonymous Jonathan December 11, 2016 7:57 PM  

The liberals are so inconsistent on this issue. They maintain that people will assimilate due to magic dirt while at the same time state diversity makes us stronger because we are provided a plethora of perspectives, values, and views.

Anonymous Jonathan December 11, 2016 8:01 PM  

@2

The Italians and Irish destroyed most of our major cities. The arguments made against them 100 years ago were dead on and we are a weaker country because those warnings were ignored.

Blogger The Kurgan December 11, 2016 8:02 PM  

Personally I tend to hate most humans in general. Because indeed, most of them are idiots. And being surrounded and outnumbered by idiots is no way to enjoy life.
My utopic society would have only actual humans with rational capacity.
Maybe we can buy an island and select the population ourselves.

Anonymous Wyrd December 11, 2016 8:05 PM  

Apparently, I've been banned. Why?

Anonymous Airloot December 11, 2016 8:06 PM  

"The Italians and Irish destroyed most of our major cities."

And somehow all these years after, New York remains the most relevant city in the world.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 11, 2016 8:15 PM  

We need for them that love diversity to get some, good and hard.

Diversity is our weakness.

Blogger l' Américain December 11, 2016 8:16 PM  

"The Italians and Irish destroyed most of our major cities. The arguments made against them 100 years ago were dead on and we are a weaker country because those warnings were ignored."

Well, I wouldn't go that far. The Irish and Italians built NYC and Chicago. Granted they are liberal fuck holes, however, cities are always more reliant on the government.

I do agree with you that Italians and other immigrants eroded the British culture of America, but it is not like they turned the place into the 3rd world.

Blogger Orville December 11, 2016 8:17 PM  

Airpoop is too lazy. He must have others do the mental cogitations for him.

Blogger l' Américain December 11, 2016 8:17 PM  

@39

Cosmopolitan cities tend to make themselves the center of the universe.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 11, 2016 8:18 PM  

"And somehow all these years after, New York remains the most relevant city in the world."

How silly, and provincial.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 11, 2016 8:20 PM  

Airloot wrote:When people say "read the book" instead of giving the simple answer it almost always means they don't have the answer.

Alternative explanation; the simple answer was give and your brain is too full of troll poop to understand it. Therefore, the extended version, with smaller words, was pointed towards.

Blogger tz December 11, 2016 8:29 PM  

My peas and mushroom soup identifies as a trans-carrot cake.

To echo, it wasn't Catholicism (which was there from 1776), but for example the Nordic Lutheran Socialists, mainly in MN/SD/ND and that area. Because there was uniformity (and not the English nonconformist diversity) they could go deeper earlier.

Vox also made a very strong and clear point which is often missed:

The reason the American black family functioned for a few generations is that it was forced to do so by white society.

I will only dissent to the extent that you find WASP women also having kids out of wedlock. Norms and Taboos can be quite effective, but they need to be there. When not, and especially when the pressure is in the opposite direction (have a kid, get a check, have a baby, you can get citizenship when he grows up and the hospital is forced to treat you). Whites and the English aren't immune, nor are Jews, especially now things are secularized.

(on thepoliticalcesspool.org broad/podcast Richard Spencer in his NPI Q&A shredded a Rabbi wanting to read the Torah with him to show radical inclusion was in there.

“Do you really want radical inclusion into the State of Israel?” Spencer said. “And by that I mean radical inclusion. Maybe all of the Middle East could go move in to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. Would you really want that?”

The twin errors is first, not requiring full assimilation, at least externally, but the second was with the Irish where "No Irish Need Apply" - where there is equally no pressure to assimilate since it won't matter.

But fast-forward to now. If anything there is forced reverse assimilation, at least pre-Trump with BLM and Olbgerfelt and refugees and press 2 for English.

1. We can't assimilate such a large polyculture even if we and they wanted to.

2. Maybe 1/3 of the country doesn't want to force assimilation, and another 1/3 doesn't want to assimilate. The Muslim shooterrorists were citizens.

3. The incentives can be changed - and must be.

What needs to shift is we need to get back to force assimilation or deportation.

Blogger Orville December 11, 2016 8:33 PM  

What needs to shift is we need to get back to force assimilation or deportation.

Exactly, none of this B.S. of printing everything in multiple languages. Or school districts not enforcing English, but accommodating the mother tongue. Businesses too. Lowes even has signs in Russian for God's sake.

Blogger Michael Maier December 11, 2016 8:34 PM  

Yup... it's for sure. There never WILL be a better class of troll.

Anonymous Just another commenter December 11, 2016 8:34 PM  

Demographics are destiny. But people have no idea how fast the demographics can change when the shooting starts, the food runs out, or the welfare stops.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 8:35 PM  

FFS, people, when a troll gets spammed, then a new name appears and starts commenting up a storm, do you really not realize IT IS THE SAME GUY?

Blogger Orville December 11, 2016 8:36 PM  

@50 Cannibalism.

Blogger Harsh December 11, 2016 8:36 PM  

But I like peas...

Blogger Ingot9455 December 11, 2016 8:38 PM  

@28 Kinda funny how Tuvok worked in Security instead of being a Science Officer, huh?

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 8:38 PM  

I do agree with you that Italians and other immigrants eroded the British culture of America, but it is not like they turned the place into the 3rd world.

Of course not, because they weren't from the 3rd world. They transformed the culture into one that was more similar to their own. Guess what happens when 3rd worlders do the same thing?

Blogger Orville December 11, 2016 8:38 PM  

Long pig and peas.

Anonymous johnc December 11, 2016 8:39 PM  

What is there to even assimilate to? The nation no longer has any values outside of materialism and laissez faire attitudes.

As far as I can see, just about all of the dyscivic markers have gone up in the white population. I'm starting to doubt that the causes are primarily genetic.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 8:39 PM  

I will only dissent to the extent that you find WASP women also having kids out of wedlock.

That is merely whites assimilating to the transformed culture that has now been imposed on them. It works both ways.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 8:41 PM  

As far as I can see, just about all of the dyscivic markers have gone up in the white population. I'm starting to doubt that the causes are primarily genetic.

That's crazy, when what you're seeing is the white population being transformed into the non-white one.

OpenID archerfisher21 December 11, 2016 8:42 PM  

First I wanted to say "oh don't be ridiculous the Irish were perfectly fine..." then I realized
1. I barely know any Irish at all.
2. My Mom's sister married an Irish guy... aaannd he's a corrupt attorney and overall miserable person.

It's so true what Vox said--we think the Irish and the Germans assimilated fine because we have no clue what the USA was like before they got here.

Likewise-most of my non-child life I've lived in areas that are somewhat black/mexican. So there's the problems they bring and the run down areas, crime, etc. I was driving to see a girl in Cumming, and as I was driving through Roswell, then Alpharetta (Cities carved out of Atlanta for whites to avoid ATL government corruption) I was amazed at how beautiful the cities were, how the areas seemed so gorgeous and the apartments and neighbhorhoods and little shopping centers with cute white girls walking around seemed like something out of a movie...

Long story short, it's so true--when you've grown up with various problems, like black/mexican populations, it blows your mind when you see places that are supermajority white, for instance.

Blogger Harsh December 11, 2016 8:43 PM  

As far as I can see, just about all of the dyscivic markers have gone up in the white population.

Whites, like any other race, don't operate in a vacuum. Is this still a primarily white culture?

Blogger Orville December 11, 2016 8:46 PM  

That's crazy, when what you're seeing is the white population being transformed into the non-white one.

Yes. The negrification of the white youth. Mud-sharking, gangsta mentality, be like Kanye or Tech-9. Adopting all that culture and it's various Socially Transmutable Diseases.

Anonymous johnc December 11, 2016 8:46 PM  

Whites, like any other race, don't operate in a vacuum. Is this still a primarily white culture?

Well it definitely was when I was younger, and it was a trainwreck even back then.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 11, 2016 8:47 PM  

VD wrote:The only reason you think the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the Scandinavians, and the Jews adapted to American society is because you don't realize how different American society was before them. It would be like someone who grew up looking at the current multicultural nightmare assuming that 80 percent illegitimacy is an American norm.

The fact that you know who the Italians and Irish and Jews are despite bathing for generations in magic American dirt is plenty of evidence on its own.

You don't know the Norwegians because they seethe quietly.

But mistaking any one of them for the American progeny of Washington, Madison and Jefferson is just brain dead. Go to a voodoo doctor. There is something seriously wrong with you.

The best an individual hyphen-American can hope for is an appreciation for the rights of English men and an ability to nod, smile and blend in. That's not guarantee.

Now, the faultlines between Irish, Italians and others will be able to be bridged for a while longer, but Pan-Whitist thinking is no different than Pan-Asian: it is Globalism Junior, with no firmer underpinnings.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster December 11, 2016 8:51 PM  

"The owners voted for Brexit and told my friends how they had come to England to be around the English, only to witness London transform into a Muslim city."

I left England over ten years ago. Even then, some of my Muslim acquaintances were telling me how horrified they were because they'd fled to England to escape the Muslim nuts in their home countries, and, a few decades later, the British government was importing those same nuts en masse.

So this realization isn't a new thing. If the white Britons don't stop mass immigration soon, particularly of Muslims, the Asian immigrants probably will.

And I agree, every time I visit London now, it feels more and more like stepping into the Third World. I always know I've arrived at Heathrow Airport because all the women are black or Muslim (or both).

Blogger Le Regardeur December 11, 2016 8:55 PM  

"That's crazy, when what you're seeing is the white population being transformed into the non-white one.

Yes. The negrification of the white youth. Mud-sharking, gangsta mentality, be like Kanye or Tech-9. Adopting all that culture and it's various Socially Transmutable Diseases."

There are towns and cities in England which have seen virtually no immigration where this has happened. The culture slides down a helter skelter of dysfunction. In Ireland this happened in one city, Limerick, again, with no immigration, and without it happening on anything like the same scale in other cities.

When this happens migrant groups find it easy to colonise. The locals splurge away any capital they have - there is very little trust between them - virtually no capital formation or social institutions.

I'm not saying that there can't be a self-reinforcing cycle. And I agree that west Indian migrants in the U.K. have spread dysfunction to the white communities in which they have settled. However, I believe that is less true for Asian communities, ironically because they have kept themselves apart and not integrated.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster December 11, 2016 9:12 PM  

"The culture slides down a helter skelter of dysfunction."

England has a lot of problems. The English largely lost their way after WWI, when the slaughter in France destroyed their belief in 'progress', then WWII sent them, in one generation, from the most powerful empire the world had ever seen to the verge of becoming a failed state. Following which, they were told for decades that they must kowtow to the EU because they'd be unable to survive on their own.

One result of that is that most of the 'best and brightest' Britons left in the late 20th century. I can only think of two people I knew at university who still live there, and one of them spent many years in America after he graduated.

So the English are a beaten-down people who have been part of an enormous, fifty-year eugenics experiment where most of the smartest few percent of every generation were removed from the gene pool, while the bottom few percent were paid to have as many kids as possible. You could add that they made the mistake of having a state church, which has pretty much destroyed the Christianity that used to hold it together, in favor of happy, fluffy Social Justicism.

Anonymous John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project December 11, 2016 9:15 PM  

As an 87.5% white Blasiaroon (one-eighth Blasian) Woman of Color, I identify 100% with White America and I can tell any single White gentlemen here today that I am open for business!

However, while I do believe in Europe for the native Whites and Asia for the Asians and Africa for the Africans, I feel that in America today it is incumbent on white America to ensure that from today every white child should be at least 6.25% Black as I am, or else maybe blacker. As my own fluidity English skills and willingness to outreach persons of greater Black heritage than myself by teaching, coaching, counseling, giving financial advice and acting in loco parentheses as required shows, I have inherited all the qualities that make White people great without being "pure white" and I think my children deserve to grow up in a country that is as insignificantly Black as they will be, if not blacker.

Also I look forward soon to writing in addition to "The Colored Lady's Guide To Donald Trump's Erection" an edgy romantica romance called "The Billionaire's Blasian" or maybe "The Blasian's Billionaire".

Anonymous Viidad December 11, 2016 9:22 PM  

"many who understand one cannot make carrot cake from peas or mushrooms still seem to think they can make an American society without Americans."

Cue: "Vox - you just need to meet some really awesome mushrooms and you'll totally change your thinking! I know a mushroom who's a doctor and he's so much better than most of the carrot doctors where I work."

I have seen demographic changes destroy nice places.

Blogger l' Américain December 11, 2016 9:23 PM  

@52

word, breh

Anonymous Edley December 11, 2016 9:28 PM  

I don't think most, even educated, whites have taken stock of just how much blacks, in particular (and brown Latinos as well), have cost our society on the whole. If you worked in law enforcement or the courts, or social services, or the schools, etc, you would see HOW MUCH TIME, MONEY and ATTENTION is SPENT (Wasted) on blacks from birth forward.

From free pre-natal care, to free school lunches, food stamps/ebt cards, to housing supplements, to black women filing nuisance complaints (fake injuries, EEO actions), black boys, teens and men in jail, to rehabilitation, education programs. It's unbelievable and would be unbelievable to most people to actually be AWARE of how much of our society is literally consumed with non-stop care and attention for one race.

Never has one race been SO COMPLETELY supported by another race in the history of known, recorded, mankind. Our entire culture is one giant prop, keeping blacks to even a basic level of survival (so the rest of us can).

Blogger Cecil Henry December 11, 2016 9:32 PM  

'In England, for example, some groups of immigrants are becoming increasingly upset because they believed they were going to be living among English people in a functional, highly civilized English society,'


This is another aspect of the problem: Whites are used as the buttress and foundation that other groups benefit from, at Whites short term expense and long term survival.

The answer is clear: repatriation.

White people have a right to their own societies and to discriminate to ensure that. Everyone else does.

Blogger Le Regardeur December 11, 2016 9:32 PM  

"The English largely lost their way after WWI, when the slaughter in France destroyed their belief in 'progress', then WWII sent them, in one generation, from the most powerful empire the world had ever seen to the verge of becoming a failed state. Following which, they were told for decades that they must kowtow to the EU because they'd be unable to survive on their own."

There were always social problems in England, with a large native urban underclass that never really vanished, but strong social conformity from 1880s through to 1950s kept things under control.

I'm not a supporter of bringing back grammar schools, but their abolition in the late 1960s / early 1970s was a disaster for state education in England. It started dumbing down in secondary education that was only brought to an end in the late 1990s and has been reversed only slightly.

In many ways what WW1 and WW2 did to the U.K. was to destroy extended family relationships. It's the single biggest social difference between the U.K. and say Ireland, France or Italy. The idea that children will look after their aged parents or that parents will support their children into their 20s is alien to working class English and a chunk of middle class English also. The post-1945 welfare state, without any element of co-payment gave the U.K. the idea that the state would pay for everything. There's so much debate about how the state should fund adult social care - in other countries it just doesn't because that's what families do.

The big contrast between the U.K. and France is that the French tax and benefits system is very pro-family whereas the U.K. tax and benefits system is completely anti-family. That's why France, migration and sclerotic socialism aside, is a very functional society, whereas the U.K. is not. The majority of 14 year olds in England are not living with the two parents. Roughly 20% of children never have their father living with them at all. What's most disturbing is that these statistics are averages. There are plenty of areas where social dysfunction is on par with U.S. black inner city communities - Doncaster and Rotherham to mention just two.

Every single migrant community - even West Indian blacks - has better educational outcomes than white English. It's ironic that many of the migrant communities have a culture that is much much closer to the England of the 1940s and 50s than most of the current white English culture is.

Blogger Lazarus December 11, 2016 9:35 PM  

English immigrants to my country back in the 70's used to tell everybody how much better it was back in England. Then they would go back after a while to visit their relatives.

They called it the Thousand Dollar cure (travel was cheaper then) The reality of their experience destroyed the sentimental memory they had.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 11, 2016 9:37 PM  

I fear that we will be left with a choice between civil war, separation (probably followed by war), and a far harsher enforcement of behavioral norms by government.

As an example, breeding out of wedlock would get you sterilized. Automatically.

Blogger Le Regardeur December 11, 2016 9:39 PM  

"As an example, breeding out of wedlock would get you sterilized. Automatically."

I wouldn't go as far as this. However, I would say that if a man has a child and fails to pay a year or more's worth of child support he should be sterilised. Maybe it should start with men who have children by more than one woman and fail to pay child support for either of them. However, it definitely needs to happen.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster December 11, 2016 9:42 PM  

"As an example, breeding out of wedlock would get you sterilized. Automatically."

There's no need to do that. You just need to stop the government stealing money from married couples to give to girls who have kids outside marriage. The problem will solve itself, as it always used to: having a kid out of wedlock with a man who abandons you would become a crippling liability again.

Similarly, increasing birth rates is trivial. Just tell people there are no more state pensions, there is no more welfare to old farts, and, in future, you'll have to rely on your kids to support you.

So many of our cultural problems are due to perverse incentives created by governments.

Blogger praetorian December 11, 2016 9:47 PM  

The Italians and Irish destroyed most of our major cities. The arguments made against them 100 years ago were dead on and we are a weaker country because those warnings were ignored.

50% irish, 100% agreement.

Blogger Le Regardeur December 11, 2016 9:50 PM  

Satan's Hamster: You are correct. However, there is a large voter/media lobby for these sorts of perverse incentives, in certain European countries in particular.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 11, 2016 9:54 PM  

VD
It is strange, but many who understand one cannot make carrot cake from peas



isn't it all just vegetable matter, when you get right down to it?

how dare you assert that peas can't grow up to be carrots. with the proper hormone treatments any trans-carrot should be eligible to use the carrot rest room.

now we just need to address the your peas-ist discrimination about not allowing every pea to use the carrot rest room in the first place.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 9:56 PM  

What I suspect to be true is that behavior is more driven by genetics then they are willing to admit. A second consideration is that when a person deals directly with their relatives, they are dealing with people who carry close to the same genes. If they behave in a responsible way, their genetics get passed on regardless of how many children they have because what is good for their community is good for their genes.

The logic that follows here is that when tribalism breaks down and people consort with genetic strangers, responsible behavior is no longer rewarded with genetic success, and from that point forward the quality of the genetic stock starts declining.

Now if the above is true our current mass society is in a process of genetic decline even without importing this new "genetic material." You know, responsible adults limit their reproduction to how many children they want to support. And at the same time we systematically fund reproduction among the least successful.

Meanwhile on the side, just to stir the melting pot, we bring in some of the least promising populations of people as a matter of policy.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster December 11, 2016 9:58 PM  

@75: Yes, which is why we'll probably need an economic collapse before these things happen. That's what it took for the British to elect Margaret Thatcher, and they went back to electing socialists again once she'd put a band-aid on the economy.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 11, 2016 10:03 PM  

As far as I can see, just about all of the dyscivic markers have gone up in the white population. I'm starting to doubt that the causes are primarily genetic.

That's crazy, when what you're seeing is the white population being transformed into the non-white one.


A lot of people ignore the genetic bomb in the white populations of the US: the Scottish and the Irish. What blacks are right now, the Scots and the Irish were in the 1790s in the United States: a thoroughly disreputable underclass that was the scourge of civilization. One need only read up on what "the good people" of the US thought of Andrew Jackson's election to see what was thought.

I am part Scottish in ancestry, and this rough, redneck lineage is clear in my makeup. My great-great grandfather became the richest man in the county by bootlegging alcohol. My great-grandfather almost starved his kids to death boozing and gambling.

The fact there's packets of white people willing to live redneck with the least bit of incentive shouldn't surprise any of us.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 11, 2016 10:10 PM  

Yeah but Vox, this article was written like 13 years ago! There's been so much progress since then!

Anonymous Sigh.. December 11, 2016 10:15 PM  

I'm very mixed European, AFAIK no English. I recognize that my ancestors changed the US for better or worse, fine. But I'm so mixed that I couldn't reasonably identify as any hyphen-American, even if I wanted to. I don't know how many others are like me as a percentage of American whites, but I imagine it's significant.

What are the long-term goals towards which mixed European whites like me should be working to get us out of this nightmare? Repatriation of all non-whites? Joining a secession movement?

I'm really at a loss here. And it doesn't help when you see liberal family members dating, getting married to, or having kids with, non-whites, though thankfully no blacks.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 10:16 PM  

Ethnically the Scotch and Irish are Celts, and the Brits are Celtic along with 20% plus German. If we are to suppose that the Brits are the top of the genetic heap, and the Scotch and Irish way down there, we are drawing a very large distinction between groups of people who are very close genetically.

Following the establishment of the United States power consolidated in the industrial northeast, the old New England area. Andrew Jackson was a westerner who led a kind of class revolt against the New England establishment. That would be the entrenched wealth, industrial, and banking interests. Naturally they did not like him much in Washington and he had a very contentious rein, although I believe he did remain popular among his constituents.

Blogger Pteronarcyd December 11, 2016 10:20 PM  

"Society is people. It is not values ..."

Society is people and values. The American Left, for example, is doing its best to destroy America, even ignoring their imported non-European allies.

Home sapiens is highly adaptable. Our ancestors emerged from the sub-Sahara and now inhabit every continent. If we can adapt to different climates there is no reason why individuals cannot choose to adapt to different values, as you have done.

Our flaw is us not expecting others who are allowed to live amongst us to adapt our values. I say this not to support importation of those with vastly different values, but that we need to accept our values and understand that we must impose them on any and all immigrants.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 10:33 PM  

What are the long-term goals towards which mixed European whites like me should be working to get us out of this nightmare? Repatriation of all non-whites? Joining a secession movement?

I'm really at a loss here.


What I regard as very likely, a near certainty, is that we are not going to get out of this mess. If one is to suppose we have a consensus society, or had it, that is what we are going to lose. Abstractly the same institutions will survive but they will be dysfunctional in practice. A good model for this would be any of of a number of screwed up Latin countries.

You see it already in the politics. The Democrat Party and their constituents see no reason to accommodate the other side, and under Trump or perhaps a little later it will be the same thing with the Republicans. Not that I will miss the cuckservatives that get flushed along

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep December 11, 2016 10:40 PM  

In England, for example, some groups of immigrants are becoming increasingly upset because they believed they were going to be living among English people in a functional, highly civilized English society, not among other immigrant groups in a dysfunctional, increasingly uncivilized multicultural society.

Admission that they are in fact, little more than lost, frightened children, and deserve, even desire to be, treated as such. Perhaps a revival of civitas sine suffragio is in order?

Anonymous BGKB December 11, 2016 10:46 PM  

I'm surprised our attorney friend did not run into BGKB's buddy Latrina and her twins Lemonjello and Oranjello.

I never touched her without a glove on, and it was gloves on my hands.

Now you can move to another country and get all of your source culture over the internet

Not just that but immigrants had to work for a living or go back. The first thing Refusegee Resettlement contractors do is try to sign people up for social security disability. You can get SSD for not speaking English. I would post a link but I am afraid my links were getting me spamblocked.

Remember, people PREFER their cultural norm. The fact that you're not comfortable with it doesn't mean they're not

If your nose has ever prevented you from entering a house, know that those who live there are content enough with it they wont bother cleaning/airing it out. How much of the 3rd world is the 3rd world because 3rd worlders can't be bothered to fix it up, or keep nice things like wells placed by white people unbefouled. Not willing to build anything bigger than a mud hut in their homeland, but envious enough to demand something nicer than a 6 bedroom council house.

I went to school with blacks up and to 6th grade and many interactions and generally had a good time

The gap between blacks and others is not as big before age 12. Asians and whites mentally plateau around 25yos, other races do earlier.

wanted to say "oh don't be ridiculous the Irish were perfectly fine..." then I realized

I like going to things like Highland Games but realize its a huge difference from when I lived in Germany. I would probably rather live in Germany than Ireland if they were my only 2 choices. Insert Gaylick joke.

Anonymous paleopaleo December 11, 2016 10:50 PM  

Yes. This.
An article I'm going to print and distribute.
¡Gracias!

Blogger CM December 11, 2016 11:00 PM  

Your description of the chameleon in another culture... I'm guessing you would "adopt" their customs as much as possible in a superficial manner? Which can only be done in bursts. At some point, you have to let the mask slip and the best chameleons would do that in private - in your own home.

So I'm guessing the rates of assimilation are heavily dependent on how good a family is of keeping up the "pretense" long enough for their children to adapt better to the new culture without picking up the "old" ways... And then those children do a little better than their parents and their children pick up even fewer "old" ways.

Is this how assimilation is "supposed" to work? Is this why Islamic families don't have high rates of success? Because the original immigrants can put on a good mask in public but have a difficult time letting go in private, which drives the radicalization of their youth from watching their parents lead a double life from what the child sees as fear of oppression?

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 11:16 PM  

Assimilation does not happen unless both sides want it, and many of our most recent immigrants don't want to assimilate. Yet we bring them in at our expense. Crazy.

Anonymous Putin's Top December 11, 2016 11:19 PM  

""That's crazy, when what you're seeing is the white population being transformed into the non-white one."

The sick fuck who shot up the church and is on trial sure looks pretty white to me.

Blogger Lazarus December 11, 2016 11:20 PM  

CM wrote:Is this how assimilation is "supposed" to work? Is this why Islamic families don't have high rates of success? Because the original immigrants can put on a good mask in public but have a difficult time letting go in private, which drives the radicalization of their youth from watching their parents lead a double life from what the child sees as fear of oppression?

Radicalized muslims see their parents as cuckslamics.

Blogger Rough Carrigan December 11, 2016 11:22 PM  

Couldn't you argue that asian societies, clearly oriented as K strategy societies, like western societies, are also compatible with them?

Blogger praetorian December 12, 2016 12:37 AM  

Not in the U.S. they don't. We won the Civil War because lily whites in the South were too lazy to build an industrial society, and too dumb to gather up decent leadership.

pfft

Anonymous Just another commenter December 12, 2016 12:39 AM  

Not so much that welfare destroyed minorities, but rather it allowed them to thrive (after a fashion) on the handouts rather than suffer the fatal consequences of continuous poor decision-making.

What many don't realize is the number of immigrants to America that returned home in the 1800s and early 1900 because they couldn't make it here. Welfare has meant that they all survive long enough to vote Dem, rather than dieing, getting with the program and becoming self-supporting, or returning home. Welfare and open borders are mutually exclusive.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents December 12, 2016 12:45 AM  

Meanwhile, in the Balkans Erdogan has a grenade, is he about to pull the pin?

Greek intelligence officers have discovered the Turkish plans which they say involve thousands of dinghies and motorboats already being gathered along Turkey's western coast.

The analysts said Syrian migrants are preparing to board the vessels and wash up on Greek shores "within a matter of weeks".

National intelligence officials estimate at least 3,000 undocumented migrants could enter Greece each day under the plan.


3,000 per day is 90,000 per month. That is an invasion.
Heck of a job, Sau Merkel, heck of a job.

Blogger Shimshon December 12, 2016 1:45 AM  

Speaking of crazy black names, I think the first time I encountered this was in college (growing up in Beverly Hills, the few blacks I knew had perfectly normal names). His name was Parenthesis. That's right. I often jokingly wondered if he had a brother or sister named Paragraph. And he wasn't even ghetto. He dressed normally and spoke understandable English and was reasonably studious. At least his name was an actual word.

Blogger Escoffier December 12, 2016 3:44 AM  

l' Américain wrote:Dude, what if we whites are the stupid ones and blacks are like some super advanced race that is just fucking with our heads?

Maybe they are like testing us to see if we are intelligent enough or if we meet some criteria to become a space-faring race.


Bad news buddy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9inR9TvhU

And just BTW when in future I talk about Black folks I deal with in the kitchen? Feel free to rewatch this for inspiration.

Blogger Escoffier December 12, 2016 3:46 AM  

Skyler the Weird wrote:I'm surprised our attorney friend did not run into BGKB's buddy Latrina and her twins Lemonjello and Oranjello.

Look you racist the second boy is Tiparillo!

Blogger Escoffier December 12, 2016 3:54 AM  

That Would Be Telling wrote:@19 VD:

The conservative notion that government ruined the black American family with welfare is false. The Great Society certainly didn't help, and did make things worse, but it didn't ruin it any more than it ruined the Liberian or Somali families.

This was before my time like our host's, but one simple fact make it clear: the Moynihan Report AKA The Negro Family: The Case For National Action was published in 1965, a bit too early for the Great Society, enacted in 1964-5 to have already brought this about.

I wonder why this became a conservative trope, especially since movement conservatives didn't ignore Moynihan.


I come across this argument constantly on Gab. That the Black community was not just doing fine but better then Whites until the real racists came along and screwed everything up. The kicker to my mind is these good conservatives are convinced that the government is the solution? I just wow at that one.

Blogger N Matheson December 12, 2016 4:01 AM  

AS I may have already mentioned here my friend told me that I am the only white person he knows who voted leave in the Brexit referendum.
I had thought "we" Irish had assimilated pretty well until my Daughter started going to the Catholic school.
I do feel I have to defend the Scots, as not only can one make a case that they were involved in the creation of Southern culture, but also made the more succesfull Canadian culture.
Scotland was not a monoculture at all and in fact was a dysfunctional multicultural state for centuries. The fact that the Canadian settlers came from the middle echelons of society while the South got indentured servant and transported felons might be apposite.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 12, 2016 4:13 AM  

@26 There's a creek I regularly drive by with my dad, and there's now a large park adjoining it. He occasionally comments that when he was a boy, the entire area was covered with shacks and the inhabitants were almost entirely black.

All of that changed temporarily, thanks to government programs so massive that their cost ripped apart the fabric of civilized society in a futile quest to transform savages into civilized men.

But that reversion to the mean can be a real bitch, and it's right around the corner.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 12, 2016 5:07 AM  

@45

"Lowes even has signs in Russian for God's sake."

Lowe's is an SJW converged corporation. They eliminated commissions, because it was "unfair" that some sales personnel are more effective than other, and management's policy is to never discipline under- and malperforming non-caucasian personnel

Anonymous Saracen III December 12, 2016 6:23 AM  

@72 "breeding out of wedlock"

A non-coercive option:
Before the State pays one cent to feed or shelter a child, mother must have a hysterectomy.

Gals will get very selective, very quickly.

Blogger Trid December 12, 2016 6:28 AM  

I can confirm, I'm primarily descended from Germans and our family culture is very German

We wuz Nazis n sheeit

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 12, 2016 6:46 AM  

CM wrote:Is this how assimilation is "supposed" to work? Is this why Islamic families don't have high rates of success?

I think you're probably on to something there, but the biggest factor is that the gap is too big to traverse in the first place. IOW they're fundamentally different people, as Vox has again pointed out here. It's not magic dirt.

It just won't happen, other than possibly in tiny percentages ("I know a guy!")that only serve to muddy the waters of the bigger picture.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 12, 2016 6:58 AM  

What are the long-term goals towards which mixed European whites like me should be working to get us out of this nightmare?

Sigh, we don't have anywhere else on Earth where we belong and they do, so they should go and we should stay. And if they disagree then they're an invader.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 12, 2016 7:05 AM  

The sick fuck who shot up the church and is on trial sure looks pretty white to me.

It is very sad how our bad school system has led to such innumeracy.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 12, 2016 7:14 AM  

Couldn't you argue that asian societies, clearly oriented as K strategy societies, like western societies, are also compatible with them?

Rough Carrigan, you could argue that, but you would be wrong in multiple counts.

1. Most Oriental cultures are totally r-selected; Japanese, Brahmans and the Chinese elites are exceptions to the rule. Maybe South Koreans too.

Also, to the extent that they're K-selected, they would be competitors that we should keep out, not copacetic at all.

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Blogger CM December 12, 2016 7:57 AM  


I think you're probably on to something there, but the biggest factor is that the gap is too big to traverse in the first place. IOW they're fundamentally different people, as Vox has again pointed out here. It's not magic dirt.


Another commentor reminded me that religion is actually different from culture in how we are attached to it.

Using Islamic Immigrants was a poor example. Culture drives values, but some values cross cultures and I think that where values match, immigrated culture can assimilate without too many issues (assuming parameters already discussed like low ratios, no ghettos, and socially expected assimilation).

Religion is important because its a huge modifier of tradional culture values. The softer some people are on their values can drive fundamentalism, orthodoxy, and radicalization in others. I mean look at us. Would we be nearly so orthodox without a culture and church that takes so lightly what drives our faith/value tenants?

I don't agree with Vox 100% on the dyscivilization front but I could be reading more in than what he stated and underestimating tools used. There is spiritual warfare going on and I think it drives at least a portion of this dysfunction and would exist even without immigration. I would say the multi-culti exacerbates what would already be there without.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 12, 2016 8:04 AM  

Or put differently, the melting pot should be a refinery where gold and dross are separated, not where the contaminants become part of the alloy.

Damn, that's good metaphor.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 12, 2016 8:11 AM  

The reason the American black family functioned for a few generations is that it was forced to do so by white society. Once Americans stopped imposing their white culture on blacks, American blacks promptly returned to their cultural norm, despite being, on average, 18 percent white.

Ditto for the white underclass. Back when there were standards, people were often socially coerced into some semblance of meeting them.

Now that standards are passe, in favor of tolerance, those who are culturally inclined to vice, crime & misery are to be enabled and their every disfunction promoted.

We're told all day, every day that this is "progress."

Blogger William Hudson December 12, 2016 10:03 AM  

@91 "The sick fuck who shot up the church and is on trial sure looks pretty white to me."

Yes, he IS white, but he's also a mind-kontrolled patsy. The whole psyop at the Charleston church was a false flag, and has been far more thoroughly debunked by truth hunters than Pizzagate ever will be by the MSM.

Blogger Jack Morrow December 12, 2016 10:41 AM  

As the old saying goes, you get what you subsidize.

On the subject of Negro names, there were American twin brothers who played in the CFL in the '90s whose last name was ball, and their first names were Raphael and Raphaol. The Ottawa Rough Riders in the '70s had a defensive back named Wonderful Terrific Monds, Jr. Yes, his son was Wonderful Terrific Monds III.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 12, 2016 10:57 AM  

I've lived around the kind of "trailer trash" whites that are frequently brought up to argue that whites can be just as bad. It's certainly not Mayberry, but it's not Detroit either. If factors such as welfare lower the virtue of a group, it still matters where the baseline was that the group started from.

Blogger Gordon December 12, 2016 11:00 AM  

There is a metric ton of insight in the comments of this post. This is what keeps me coming back, and taking the time to read comments.

Anonymous Michael Maier December 12, 2016 11:07 AM  

William Hudson, please point me towards evidence of the Charlotte shooting being a false flag op, which you have found personally compelling.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 12, 2016 11:36 AM  

cultural variance in China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9eXi3RL8q4

Blogger William Hudson December 12, 2016 11:53 AM  

@119 I believe the "action" took place in North Charleston, SC, NOT Charlotte, NC. Here's a starter. Do the rest of your homework without parental help.

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015/06/south-caroolina-church-shooting-10.html

Blogger CM December 12, 2016 12:01 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:I've lived around the kind of "trailer trash" whites that are frequently brought up to argue that whites can be just as bad. It's certainly not Mayberry, but it's not Detroit either. If factors such as welfare lower the virtue of a group, it still matters where the baseline was that the group started from.

In my experience, the white trash tends to be rural and isolated. Its easier to keep things under control when they are at the edges of civilization and aren't squatting in your expensive and costly infrastructure....

Blogger Kristophr December 12, 2016 1:45 PM  

VD: The ironic thing is that even some of the immigrants are beginning to realize this. In England, for example, some groups of immigrants are becoming increasingly upset because they believed they were going to be living among English people in a functional, highly civilized English society, not among other immigrant groups in a dysfunctional, increasingly uncivilized multicultural society.

Heh. Similur to Californians moving into "red" states for jobs, low taxes, and low crime rates, and then wodering why thier trouble followed them there when they became the majority.

Blogger Kristophr December 12, 2016 1:46 PM  

"Similar". Derp.

Blogger Kristophr December 12, 2016 1:49 PM  

Le Regardeur wrote:In general I agree with what Vox writes, but I do find it somewhat binary. Many of the same arguments were made about Irish and Italian immigrants to the U.S. 100 years ago, but few people would argue now that Irish and Italians have not adapted to U.S. society, and also adapted to it.

19th Century US immigration worked because the immigrants were not coddled in the slightest. They all knew they needed to learn English and fit into US culture if they wanted to get out of poverty.

Blogger André Sanchez December 12, 2016 2:08 PM  

There is no such thing as "italians". There are north italians, and south italians. They are very, very different. The fact is that any society is composed of a certain degree of biological and cultural diversity, which sort of kind of works together in a sort of ecological balance. The problem is not "can this group assimilate?", the problem is "how does this group influence the overall ecological balance of this society"?

Blogger Dirk Manly December 12, 2016 2:14 PM  

They also couldn't fly home for a week because it's Grandma's birthday, nor could Grandma be playing matchmaker between the immigrant in America and the local girls living in the town he left.

Anonymous Michael Maier December 12, 2016 3:16 PM  

Eh, or you can just fuck right off. That's fine too.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 12, 2016 3:24 PM  

Well, my ancestors came over to America from Scotland, in colonial times, and immediately took to the highlands of Virginia and began to distill whiskey (it would become known eventually as bourbon). So, iow, when they got here from the highlands of Scotland they looked for a place like back home, and then started carrying on like back home.

But they signed up for the American Revolution, which was a glorious opportunity to put it on the scurvy English dogs, and they were immensely feared. They made up the dread contingent of Virginian mountaineer riflemen, who delighted in sniping English officers at ranges considered extreme and astonishing at the time. To the Redcoats, these men were akin to terrorists and they were by far the most feared in the Continental Army by the British high command. They were also feared within the Continental Army, because they had a tendency to get drunk and cause trouble, requiring the frequent personal intervention of General George Washington, to his great dismay.

Today we call them the hillbillies of Appalachia, but really not much has changed. We are who we always were.

And it is like this all over the land. That son of the southern Italian anarchist who came to New York City in 1910? He's a radical progressive socialist today. That son of the Boston Irish rabblerouser who came over in 1890? He'll be drunk off his butt at the next Patriots game. And the New England Yankees they drove out of New York City and Boston? They are still driven out.

It is amazing how much this "Great American Melting Pot" meme is a lie. The people never do really change.

Blogger William Hudson December 12, 2016 4:46 PM  

@128 Yeah, Michael, that's kind of what I meant. You couldn't even get the correct state, much less the right city. Do you need help going to the bathroom, too?

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 12, 2016 5:10 PM  

@130 Sounds like you've got enough of your own mental problems to worry about. Week long courses in active shooter response are extremely common law enforcement activities. As is the scumbag Democrats using every possible opportunity to push for gun control. This all proves exactly nothing. It doesn't even rise to the level of being suspicious.

It's not that I don't think the feds are capable of pulling off a false flag attack, but if you think that their plan would involve allowing the supposed shooter to live and defend himself in court, you're an idiot. To a far greater extent than someone who confuses Charleston and Charlotte.

Blogger Thucydides December 12, 2016 5:27 PM  

This is exactly the point Huntington was making in "The Clash of Civilizations" and "Who are We?". Different people from different cultures (civilizations) have different meanings and outcomes for the same concepts. The family support issue in the OP is a prime example: we instinctively understand there are limits to our resources, but someone who is fine impregnating multiple partners and abandoning multiple children is obviously not getting the concept. This only moves to larger scales when looking at Western vs Islamic civilization, or Western vs Sinic (Chinese) and so on.

In"Who are We" Huntington points out that a great many of American patriotic holidays, songs and institutions were actually created out of whole cloth between the 1880's and 1920's in order to assimilate people into the greater American culture. Business and private interests also sponsored schools to teach english and American customs and habits so the children of immigrants could function in American society.

Nowadays we still have institutions of indoctrination, but they are state funded SJW factories masquerading as higher learning institutions. There is a lot of serious rebuilding to do to shore up the foundations, much less fix the rest of the superstructure.

Blogger William Hudson December 12, 2016 7:39 PM  

@131 And, you, Noah, are throwing MSM Pizzagate sauce all over yourself by not looking into Mr. Roof's alleged activity more deeply; and instead, taking the MSM's reports of the incident at face value.

I'm not going to search out the videos of the mourning "family" members again, because I've seen them. They were shot, I believe, in the church's fellowship hall. The young black people who were interviewed came across as everything BUT sad and mournful. Sincerity was absent in droves.

If you think there is anything beyond a bad smell to Pizzagate, you really should do some net searches about the Charleston Massacre. You might change your mind. I did.

BTW, suggesting mental problems on the part of someone with whom you disagree is straight out of the Rules For Radicals' and SJW's playbook.

I am merely suggesting to Michael that he is just too lazy, not stupid nor mentally challenged, to look into "my" allegations about Dylan Roof and his pistol party.

Regarding trials of surviving shooters, Mr. James Holmes in Colorado is a prime example of an exception to your personally stated "rule".

Blogger Michael Maier December 12, 2016 7:58 PM  

"The young black people who were interviewed came across as everything BUT sad and mournful. Sincerity was absent in droves."

Yeah, you must not watch much news of blacks "mourning" their "lost loved ones" (rights on da verges of turnsins deyz livez arounds). That seems to be the norm.



And I AM guilty. Yes, I naively asked for a constructive suggestion instead of trying to sludge through hundreds of Google-suggested blogs full of idiocy and paranoia myself. Forgive me for asking you to be helpful in the sharing of information.

I'll spare you my queries in the future.

Blogger William Hudson December 12, 2016 9:22 PM  

@134 Michael, I apologize for my earlier snark. I really DOES take a lot of digging on the net to get at the truth of any important event these days.

I don't have a quick link to the after-the-fact interviews of the young black people who gathered for the funeral, but they really came across as scripted, far to happy-faced, and just poorly acted.

They were nothing like the usual breast-beating and loud mourning that we are accustomed to seeing on "da nooz".

While I personally apologize for my earlier treatment of you, I DO NOT apologize, nor back down from my assertions that the whole church shooting was a massive govt psyop. It was Sandy Hook all over again, and like that, there were no photos of any evidence of real violence and no photos of any victims.

Just reading the comments at the link that I gave you leads to many more places and more evidence. Many of the original links that I read are probably scrubbed now anyway.

From the the internet's POV, were are attempting to study Ancient History.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 12, 2016 9:38 PM  

@133 And, you, Noah, are throwing MSM Pizzagate sauce all over yourself by not looking into Mr. Roof's alleged activity more deeply; and instead, taking the MSM's reports of the incident at face value.

It's quite a leap of logic for you to assume that I'm taking anything the fake news says at face value. Don't be a binary thinker.

I don't have a quick link to the after-the-fact interviews of the young black people who gathered for the funeral, but they really came across as scripted, far to happy-faced, and just poorly acted.

TNB, William.

Blogger William Hudson December 12, 2016 9:49 PM  

@136 Noah, I am very familiar with TNB. You, too, should really see those interviews. And, no, I don't have a link to them at hand. They looked like young black actors in the high school drama club, even to the point of looking beyond the interviewer's head as if seeking approval from an unseen director or other authority figure for approval of their performances.

Regarding binary thinking: In this, and other infamous cases, the only binarism I see is questioning whether we are seeing a real or a staged event. When far too much evidence points to stagecraft, I do tend to disbelieve most anything said about it by the MSM.

As an example of True Confusion, though, I give you (us) the Comet Pizza Shooter. Real or staged? Live or Memorex? I honestly have no clue about that one, at least for now.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 12, 2016 11:38 PM  

I look at it this way: if the fake news happens to report the truth, it's just a lucky and bizarre accident that the truth furthered their agenda that day. They have no morals and lie freely.

Did Dylan Roof really shoot a bunch of black people in a church? I don't know, and in a larger sense it doesn't matter. We do know that the fake news refuses to report the thousands of black on white killings, and the ~30,000 black on white rapes, that happen every year. Yet when there's a hint of a white committing an act of violence against blacks, it's exploited endlessly. The fake news has an obvious anti-white agenda.

Blogger André Sanchez December 12, 2016 11:51 PM  

@137 William Hudson wrote:@136As an example of True Confusion, though, I give you (us) the Comet Pizza Shooter. Real or staged? Live or Memorex? I honestly have no clue about that one, at least for now.

Does it matter? As far as I know, the guy acted in a completely appropriate manner, he did not go in guns blazing shooting people just for being there. And before anybody gives me "no vigilantes!"/"rule of law!" bullshit, it is the duty of citizens to police the government. This is not about some random pedophile, this is about a pedophile ring within the highest levels of government. If anybody thinks this is going to be investigated through normal channels, they are delusional. I'm not even sure Trump can be trusted not to be in on the ring. Trump is important, he should be supported, but don't fucking ignore the fact that not long ago he was playing golf with Bill, casually talking about "far worse, not even close" to "grabbing them by the pussy", saying Bill was a great guy, and Ivanka was taking a vacation with Chealsea. Which reminds me, what the hell happened with the kiddy porn stuff Erik Prince said the NYPD had found on Weiner's laptop? I've seen Alex Jones hint that it was being held back for blackmail, in case the status quo doesn't play nice. That is a bad fucking idea.

Blogger Serge_Tomiko December 13, 2016 12:20 AM  

A 15-year old American Renaissance article? Really?

Anonymous Discard December 13, 2016 2:02 AM  

140. Serge_Tomiko: The article's a classic and it bears re-printing. Not everyone was around when it was first published.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 13, 2016 3:10 AM  

William Hudson wrote:The young black people who were interviewed came across as everything BUT sad and mournful. Sincerity was absent in droves.
Have you looked at videos of Black fambly members of criminals shot dead by police or citizens?  They don't come across as sad and mournful either.  They come across as demanding.  Dey want deyz GIBS!

Is that what you saw?  I see @134 has hit the same point.

They were nothing like the usual breast-beating and loud mourning that we are accustomed to seeing on "da nooz".
That also is un-felt, just acted to a script.  Seriously, read this; the animal involved hasn't changed a bit despite the shift in time and space.

I use the word "animal" deliberately.  They are not like us.

Anonymous Hugo de Naranja December 13, 2016 4:22 AM  

@142
Do you suppose there'd be a market for "Dead Google Bingo" cards? Pass them around, turn on the TV, and look for a news story of some hopeful young aspiring rapper who tried to murder a cop and got a cure for his lead deficiency. Fill in the spaces on your bingo card as Mammy says "He was a good boy, he din du nuffin" and "I'm-a sue de city fo' violate mah boy civil rights" and "He had a gun but it wasn't loaded, he just wanted to scare 'em." Hand out a prize to the first one to complete a row--perhaps a package of smoked hog jowls and a can of turnip greens.

Anonymous Pennywise December 13, 2016 7:49 AM  

It is abundantly clear that the Irish, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, and the Jews adopted to American norms.

Blogger William Hudson December 13, 2016 9:00 AM  

@144 (((Masters of Back-Stabbing, Cork Screwing & Dirty Dealing))) have NEVER adopted American norms!

Anonymous Pennywise December 13, 2016 10:34 AM  

Then you are describing white people in general, Mr. Hudson.

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