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Monday, December 12, 2016

A proper Minnesotan

I always enjoy these old stories about Prince.
A member of Prince’s band, Morris Hayes, recalls one instance in which the singer, clad in a turtleneck sweater and fuzzy boots, walked in to a hardware store to the shock of locals in Minnesota.

‘People are looking like, "Oh my God, Prince is in the hardware store!",’ Hayes said.

Hayes then recalled how Prince had walked into the Ace store even though the car they drove was still in the parking lot with the keys in the ignition.

‘I'm [saying to him], "What did you do with the car?"’

‘He says, "It's out there—it's just running".’

‘I said, "Prince, you can't leave the car running—somebody could just steal the car".’

‘He said, "This is Chanhassen—nobody's gonna steal the car".’

‘So we get out to the car and sure enough it's out there, just running, smoke coming out of the tailpipe.’

‘And he's like, "I told you".’
A couple of observations. First, notice that no one at the hardware store spoke to him, they just looked. No one ever pestered Prince in Minnesota, you just don't bother someone because he happens to be famous, which was one thing he really liked about living there. If Prince wanted to talk to you, he'd send someone over to let you know.

Second, based on the way Hayes describes things, it was probably winter. Winter is REALLY REALLY cold there. So, it's pretty common to leave the car running if you're not going to be in the store for that long. It's kind of weird when it's really cold, because the smoke actually drops to the ground when it comes out of the tailpipe.

And third, he was right, at least back in the day. No one was ever going to steal your car when you left it running. People did it all the time back then. It would be nice to think that they still do.

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Blogger S1AL December 12, 2016 9:03 PM  

It's definitely great to live in an area where you can leave the car running. Shame those areas are disappearing.

Blogger Ben Cohen December 12, 2016 9:11 PM  

Does Dave Chappelle do a good impersonation of Prince?

Blogger tz December 12, 2016 9:14 PM  

Here in Wyoming, they currently leave the cars (and mostly Trucks, especially diesels) running with the keys in them, for the same reason - cold!, at least in the small towns. I'm not sure about the larger cities (e.g. Casper or J-Hole).

Blogger Dave December 12, 2016 9:14 PM  

Prince probably just ran in to pick up some sixpenny nails and lead-based solder.

Blogger bobby December 12, 2016 9:25 PM  

"It would be nice to think that they still do."

We do. Chan is still Chan.

Blogger Ghost of Nathan Bedford Forrest December 12, 2016 9:27 PM  

Well, back in the day didn't MN have like a 98% European American (and thus homogenous population). Coincidence? I think not. High trust society. Damn, I miss the good ole days.

Anonymous RA December 12, 2016 9:38 PM  

Was once in Minneapolis/St Paul some years ago for a contract job in the dead of winter. Quite the shock for someone raised in more temperate latitudes let me tell you. I got along well there, most people were okay other being too liberal for my taste, but you couldn't pay me enough to make that my permanent home.

Blogger Greg Hunt December 12, 2016 9:46 PM  

"too liberal"

The only State that went for Mondale. I wonder how that is sometimes, but it is Scandinavia in the Midwest. Complete with all of the modern vibrancy!

Blogger Steve Mackelprang December 12, 2016 9:48 PM  

Spent a couple of months during the winter of two different years working at the Monticello Nuclear Plant. This was in the early 80's. No question in my mind, this is easily true. Enjoyed my time there! The River Inn Saloon was the hot tune for lunch.

Blogger Johnny December 12, 2016 10:06 PM  

Going by the amount of store security I see, where I live in central Wisconsin it is variable. I know one place that has a store with an alternative entrance that is not locked and not watches. Another is a grocery that has so few people that theft would be easy. As might be expected, in the bigger towns and some of the smaller ones there is more concern with theft.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 12, 2016 10:16 PM  

Kinda hard to loiter around waiting for cars to steal when it's -10 F.

Then there's the racial factor. I suppose Russian gangsters might possibly have the winter tolerance needed to do it, but I can't really see anybody else doing it.

Blogger Mountain Man December 12, 2016 10:22 PM  

You can still leave your car running and doors unlocked here in my neck of the woods. Its also bitterly cold ( -30 + some nights ) - in the dead of winter.
The bitterly cold keeps most of the brown rabbits away..except for the imported ones ( like the Somalis).
Which brings me to another topic. What a cruel joke for the prog-left to bring in Somalis and plant them smack dab in two of the coldest states in the country ( Minn. and Maine)
Without living in a city and receiving cradle to grave govt. assistance they cannot function. When the financial Apocalypse hits they will become a human version of the passenger pigeon. The left really is heartless.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 12, 2016 10:35 PM  

After living in Minnesota I laughed out loud when a local Indiana station reported "dangerous" winter weather of 15 degrees.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 12, 2016 10:39 PM  

The funny thing about Minnesotans is...they rarely leave.

Blogger bobby December 12, 2016 10:50 PM  

FYI - tonight here in Chanhassen, MN - well, 2 miles out - the low is -4. Later this week, it's supposed to get cold. Been here 60 years, and I'll never leave.

Anonymous Sheiko29 December 12, 2016 10:54 PM  

I've never experienced cold like MN cold. I was visiting a friend in Northfield, MN, and For the first (and I think only) time in my life I had to wrap a t-shirt around my face as I walked outside.

Blogger Johnny December 12, 2016 10:55 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:The funny thing about Minnesotans is...they rarely leave.

The funny thing about folks from Wisconsin is that after they leave, give it a couple of years, and they come back.

Blogger Martin December 12, 2016 10:59 PM  

I work in Chanhassen. It has the lowest crime rate in the country.

Blogger davecydell December 12, 2016 11:01 PM  

As to Prince, good fucking riddance. I say make every drug legal, over the counter. And gov subsidized.
Would cleanse this once wonderful country in 2 mos tops.

Blogger Whisker biscuit December 12, 2016 11:06 PM  

I thought Minnesota was the coldest place I'd been to until I went to Alaska. Now that place is colder than Whoopi Goldberg's vibrator---yikes! But, some fine folks up that way though.

Blogger AdognamedOp December 12, 2016 11:09 PM  

Was the car a little Red Corvette?

Blogger papabear December 12, 2016 11:19 PM  

Is the cold weather a factor in the greater acceptance of socialism in the Scandinavian countries?

Anonymous Difster December 12, 2016 11:23 PM  

And Chanhassen, jeez, even for Minnesota, that's whitey whitebread wonderland.

Just about anywhere in the suburbs, you could leave your car on if you were just running in to Tom Thumb or wherever for a few minutes. Maybe not so much in South Minneapolis but up in Anoka county where I lived, there was never any trouble.

Anonymous Just another commenter December 12, 2016 11:35 PM  

@22 Sort of. The harsher the climate and the scarcer the resources, the greater the incentive to cooperate with an extended tribe. Interestingly, Stefan Molyneux most recent video had him talking with a genetics / intelligence researcher about genes and circumstances and behavior that tended to promote survival o the group versus survival of an individual. Interesting stuff.

Blogger Mick Warshaw December 12, 2016 11:35 PM  

I leave my car running in central va regularly. My kids are old ebough to lock the doors behind me and let me back in, and since we aren't in maryland people don't call the cops.

Blogger Kristophr December 12, 2016 11:41 PM  

papabear wrote:Is the cold weather a factor in the greater acceptance of socialism in the Scandinavian countries?

Monoculturalism with a strong work ethis and a dash of government collectivism.

Socialism-light works if you have a culture that raises kids with a work ethic and does not contain a lot of intruders from zero-trust tribal societies.

Which is why Sweden's immigration experiment is ending in tears.

Blogger Johnny December 12, 2016 11:50 PM  

A harsher climate make it all but essential for a female to have male assist in raising children.That that all but mandates sexual fidelity. And a degree of future time orientation is necessary. Things that some southern populations lack.

Blogger bobby December 12, 2016 11:56 PM  

"And a degree of future time orientation is necessary."

As in, only 90 days until water stays liquid outside again! Woohee!

Blogger modsquad December 13, 2016 12:13 AM  

You haven't lived until you've gone snowmobiling in -40 weather. Granted, you'll only do it once, but it should be on every man's bucket list.

Blogger Mindcrime2015 December 13, 2016 12:14 AM  

@ 14, why would you?

VD,

I was in Rochester two hours ago at one of the Chipotles, there were 4 people in the store and 3 cars left running outside while we were in there. My wife is from out East and was amazed at that. She could not comprehend how different the culture is here. It really has not changed all that much in the last 45 years outside of the metro areas, I cant speak to those.

Blogger modsquad December 13, 2016 12:16 AM  

Oh, and Prince is my favorite guitarist from the past 50 years. RIP.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 13, 2016 12:24 AM  

27. Johnny December 12, 2016 11:50 PM
That that all but mandates sexual fidelity.



yeah. that's why the women of the Scandinavian countries have been notorious sluts and nudists since at least the end of WW2.


so far as Minnesota cold goes, the first time i made a trip up northwest of Edmonton ( Dawson Creek, actually ) i stopped the first night in Fergus Falls.

it was fricking -20 with a ~20mph wind and the diesel was gelling up in the reserve tank. i was all like, "holy crap, i've got another 1500 miles NW to go, i'm going to die."

the wind turned around from the south by the time i got to Jamestown and got warmer the further north i went. i overnighted in the truck in Dawson and it was only +28.

some 700 miles further north.

Minnesota is a cold magnet for some reason. i'm assuming southerly winds tend to roll up the eastern front of the Rockies which instigates cold northern air to come south over the Great Lakes.

could be wrong though.

Wyoming is as cold or colder than Minnesota ... but that whole damn state is also 5000 feet higher. WY has an excuse.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 13, 2016 12:26 AM  

28. bobby December 12, 2016 11:56 PM
As in, only 90 days until water stays liquid outside again! Woohee!



i believe the proper phrasing is, "Only 90 days until fisherman start going through the ice and drowning again!"

Cheeseheads are also notoriously susceptible to thin ice disease.

Blogger praetorian December 13, 2016 12:50 AM  

OT: Holy shit Kieth Olbermann has lost his fucking mind:

https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/808544608124813312

He's literally banging the table calling everyone traitors who will be dealt with "immediately and forever after". This is a "consequences will never be the same" tier rant, guys.

Blogger Stephen St. Onge December 13, 2016 12:52 AM  

        I'd still leave my car running outside.  It was, btw, incredibly shocking when I moved here from LA in 1983, and saw that the first winter.

Blogger Unknown December 13, 2016 1:06 AM  

Olberdork needs a Gibbs slap, bad. Talk about spilling his plate of spaghetti...

Anonymous RA December 13, 2016 1:48 AM  

Didn't do the snowmobile thing, but did do the ice fishing thing. Big excuse to get away from the women and drink lots of beer. Good male bonding ritual time.

There was a cold snap, cold even for Minny, below zero for a few days in a row. That was followed a few days later with a brief heat wave: got all the way up to 40, I was shocked at how warm that felt.

I lived among the vibrants in St Paul as I was trying to keep my costs down so took a cheap room there. Never trusted the neighborhood enough to leave the car running to warm up while I ran back inside.

Culture required to live in this climate had to develop as high trust, high cooperation, that's what was required to survive those winters for centuries prior to 100 years ago.

Mixing vibrant Somalians was mostly disastrous and to people who tell me they're surprised Trump came close to capturing Minnesota, I tell them those pansy white liberals were already freaking out over the Somalians when I was there. So I figure that the Black Lives Matter protest march on the I-94 damn near pushed them over the edge along with the St Cloud culture enhancer.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 13, 2016 2:20 AM  

RA wrote:Mixing vibrant Somalians was mostly disastrous and to people who tell me they're surprised Trump came close to capturing Minnesota, I tell them those pansy white liberals were already freaking out over the Somalians when I was there. So I figure that the Black Lives Matter protest march on the I-94 damn near pushed them over the edge along with the St Cloud culture enhancer.

Interestingly enough, I think there were enough Somalians, Section 8ers from WI, and zombies to tilt it over to Hillary.

On that, when I lived over in the Dakotas, most Minnesotans I knew were Trump supports. Whisper in the shadows supporters, but were voting for him nonetheless.

And I'm from that area of the Northwoods. It is a high-trust society. Some corners of Michigan you'll still see cars running if people run into the store for a minute.

Blogger Retrenched December 13, 2016 2:42 AM  

I've heard lots of nice things about Minnesota and the people who live there. I wish I could have visited it back in the day, before... well, you know.

Blogger wreckage December 13, 2016 6:04 AM  

When it's deathly cold, crime is all but impossible. And the long winter means a man can reasonably expect that his kids are his kids, even if he's not entirely sure the wife is strictly monogamous. Hence the odd Scandinavian combination of high-trust, stable families with an unusually large dose of female promiscuity.

Anyway, I hated Prince's music, but he was a hell of a musician nonetheless.

Ironic someone mentions drugs, since he was a strict Seventh Day Adventist who suffered an awful amount for his dedication to bodily purity as understood by SDA's.

Anonymous Steve December 13, 2016 6:12 AM  


Morris Hayes, recalls one instance in which the singer, clad in a turtleneck sweater and fuzzy boots, walked in to a hardware store to the shock of locals in Minnesota.


I like to think he was clad in imperial purple, and the hardware store was called Nothing Compares 2 U-Bend.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 13, 2016 6:41 AM  

North of I-10 is too far north for me.

Anonymous Fisher December 13, 2016 6:50 AM  

Pancakes, bitches.

Anonymous p-dawg December 13, 2016 7:42 AM  

Just get an alarm with remote start/starter kill, and you can leave the car running, doors locked, keys in your pocket. It's more expensive than trusting the inherent goodness of your fellow man, but it's also a lot more effective.

Blogger Gordon December 13, 2016 7:48 AM  

@Bobby is right; it's -6 now, but later it's going to get cold.

Chanhassen is next door to Eden Prairie, which has a growing Somali population. So leaving the car running is probably not a good option in the future.

Eden Prairie is also where I observed our vibrant cultural mosaic in action. They were having English classes in the basement of the city hall for Somali gals. There was a privately-run lunch and breakfast grill in the building. The Somali gals, who wear burkas because it lets them strap a cell phone to their cheek, had to be taught not to be abusive to the gals who worked at the grill. Apparently in a culture where women are subhuman, anyone who shows a woman deference, as a food worker would to a customer, is lower than low, and thus can be treated with contempt. The gal who owned the food business was at the point of refusing to serve any of the Somali gals, but the Catholic Charities folks sponsoring the Somalis added a "don't abuse the service workers" module.

Blogger Gordon December 13, 2016 7:52 AM  

p-dawg wrote:Just get an alarm with remote start/starter kill, and you can leave the car running, doors locked, keys in your pocket.

Not a bad idea, but in the parts of Minneapolis where the bicycle mafia holds the landscape, they'd probably break the window to shut off the car. Gotta protect Gaia, you know. And I am not kidding.

Anonymous The Right Villainous John Hall December 13, 2016 9:24 AM  

If that's the way the Somalis see the relationship between customers and workers, it's good that there aren't any here in (small southern town). I know a man who owns over thirty square miles of land, is deeply connected in local politics, and has the local women falling all over him. He calls the waitresses "ma'am" and treats them as if they were beloved relatives. In this culture,a certain politeness is an assertion of high status. If some vibrant abused one of "his girls", I wouldn't be surprised if he could, and would, shoot them on the spot, make a call to the Sheriff, and go about his business. I didn't grow up here, so it's been fascinating to me to see how this culture operates. I think I like it.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2016 9:37 AM  

If the solar scientists predicting a return to the Maunder Minimum are correct, even Minnesotans may decide to move south.

There's a big difference between -20 deg F and temps cold enough that plastics shatter, fuels gel and water pipes once below the frost line are no longer so.

It may be a typo, but weather.com's forecast for Northern IL on Sunday is -5/-18 for high/low. Whether it's a result of La Nina or of the sun going to sleep, that's unusual...not yet a trend, but every trend begins with one point.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 13, 2016 9:41 AM  

@29 You haven't lived until you've gone snowmobiling in -40 weather. Granted, you'll only do it once, but it should be on every man's bucket list.

I've filled ice rinks from a fire hose in weather where the best insulation is the ice that forms on your coat as the spray from the hose hits it. (Wind chill factor was -70, but that was before they rejiggered the calculation so it wouldn't be that low now.)

That sounds colder.

Blogger B.J. December 13, 2016 10:25 AM  

Last year there were several reports of people in minneapolis who had their cars stolen while they left them running in the morning to warm up.

Anonymous bloodybarbarian December 13, 2016 10:39 AM  

@29 You haven't lived until you've gone snowmobiling in -40 weather. Granted, you'll only do it once, but it should be on every man's bucket list.

The "onceness" depends on your age and location, I think. I grew up in way northern MN, and we went out in that sort of weather all the time. Of course, kids seem to have a much higher tolerance of cold (at least, *we* did, and so do my kids) -- at 14-yrs-old, we'd go out in a pack of 3 or 5 snowmobiles, blasting across the frozen lakes, up into the woods and eventually circle back to one of our parents' homes. Go in, sit in front of the fireplace or woodstove with hot chocolate and thaw out, then hop back on the machines and do it again. We didn't let 40-below temps stop us.

Now 30-some years later, I wouldn't do that all day long, but back then I did, and loved it.

Blogger kmbr December 13, 2016 11:24 AM  

My dad would let the car heat up for 20 minutes in the NY winters. It never even occurred to us the car would get stolen.

We never locked it. We never locked anything and I'd say it was a lower middle class area--blue collar for sure--all reliant on GE which was slowly pulling out.

We had a garage that was separate from the house, a free standing building. It has tools, bikes, all kinds of stuff--and it didn't have a lock on the door. No one ever took a thing. Finally, when I was about 14, someone did go in and take a bike.

One of my neighbors recently had his garage open and was trimming hedges. He was behind the hedges and you could not see him. He said 5-10 minutes, tops. Suddenly a truck pulls up and some Mexicans get out and start walking into his garage.

Around this time of year, I have to be home to get Amazon deliveries when they are coming because they drive around and follow Amazon trucks. I won't even wrap presents and put them under the tree because they are known to break in at this time and rob houses to get the gifts.

And I live in what would be considered a nice, mostly white, mostly LDS, upper middle class area.

I tell my kids all the time, they seem to think it's some natural progression that things just get worse and worse, that it doesn't need to be like this.

Blogger Iowahine December 13, 2016 11:27 AM  

Was zero degrees this morning in my hometown, Waterloo, IA. I recently recalled to my husband how often I awakened to the sound of my father scraping his windshield and shoveling the driveway, not to mention, his car running, that is, warming up. I'm so happy not to live there anymore, but treasure the memories.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 13, 2016 11:35 AM  

A coworker, from one of the Dakotas, I cannot remember if North or South, does not matter, part of the American Siberia, once told me that yo do not know cold until you have to change a flat tire in -30F.

Yep, I will never know.

Another time, Houston was having snow flurries. Very light. My friend wanted to go outside the office for a few minutes. I had my parka on and he only wore a long sleeve shirt. He spread his arms, looked up and exclaimed, aaaaaaaaah!

Blogger Gordon December 13, 2016 11:39 AM  

I grew up on the western edge of it, in eastern New Mexico. Now in Minnesota, which is supposed to be nice. Granted, if you break down on a rural road in the winter, the first four cars will stop to help-but not on the interstate. But southern culture is indeed another world. Look up the YouTube of Miranda Lambert singing "Only Prettier." There's a good postgraduate course in southern culture in the lyrics.

Blogger Gordon December 13, 2016 11:43 AM  

At 30 below zero, when you go outside, you feel your nose hairs moving as they extend to warm the air coming in. And yeah, in my 20s, winter up here was an adventure. Now, North Carolina looks pretty good.

Blogger Gordon December 13, 2016 11:45 AM  

A friend who has a lawn care business says no one will steal hand tools. But anything with a motor will vanish around our Norte Americano hermanos.

Anonymous BBGKB December 13, 2016 11:53 AM  

I would tell people that I grew up in a place so white people would leave their cars running when they stopped at convenience stores. This was in USDA zone 6.

OT: Holy shit Kieth Olbermann has lost his fucking mind:He's literally banging the table calling everyone traitors who will be dealt

Its been lost for a while but the recent outburst was not table related. The Russians and I were a little loud under his bed last night.

Just get an alarm with remote start/starter kill, and you can leave the car running, doors locked, keys in your pocket

I am sure everyone living north of the snow line knows about them. I decided not to renew a travel contract in an area that a staff member told me I should get a plug in heater for my car. I said it was not a diesel but people there had to use heaters on normal gas engines.

If the solar scientists predicting a return to the Maunder Minimum are correct, even Minnesotans may decide to move south

Plant some Siberian pea trees just in case. They are nitrogen fixing.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 13, 2016 11:56 AM  

kmbr wrote:I tell my kids all the time, they seem to think it's some natural progression that things just get worse and worse, that it doesn't need to be like this.

Yes, exactly. Just like inflation, we've been brainwashed into thinking this is just the natural state of the world that can't be altered and thinking otherwise is just nutty talk from the fringe.

Blogger tublecane December 13, 2016 12:12 PM  

I've never left my car running while I grabbed something from the store, but I wouldn't be afraid to. My car was ransacked over and over again when I was in school in St. Cloud, not Chanhassen. Teenagers, I assume.

I left the door unlocked so they wouldn't be tempted to break anything. They'd throw around my papers and such, but I never kept anything valuable in there. They never stole the car as a whole, because that would be bad manners.

By the way, I was in the Chanhassen public library a couple weeks ago, and I've found it's the only library in the area that password protects its Wi-Fi. What's up with that? Prior Lake, Savage, Burnsville, Shakopee, Eden Prairie, they're all fine. But Chanhassen? Are they still in mourning and can't bring themselves to open up?

Blogger Gordon December 13, 2016 1:03 PM  

BBGKB wrote: I said it was not a diesel but people there had to use heaters on normal gas engines.

If you buy a car in North Dakota, it will usually come with an engine block heater. In sheer numbers, Fargo is usually only 10 degrees colder than Minneapolis, but damn, it feels much colder. When I was living in Fargo, I always had a block heater. In Minneapolis I never have.

But if you want cold...visit the northwoods of Minnesota and Wisconsin. The cold settles in there and there ain't no relief until spring. It's like walking into a frozen food warehouse.

Blogger Mountain Man December 13, 2016 4:57 PM  

"But if you want cold...visit the northwoods of Minnesota and Wisconsin. The cold settles in there and there ain't no relief until spring. It's like walking into a frozen food warehouse."

Its like the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont or the mountain hollows near Vershire and Chelsea.
The rest of the state might have lows of - 15 deg. while those areas will have temps -35 deg or lower.

Blogger Martin December 14, 2016 9:51 AM  

Scandinavians did not evolve in a terribly cold climate. Stockholm might be 60 degrees north but the golf stream keeps scandinavia pretty mild. (stockholm, lake mälaren region has been reasonably densely populated for four thousand years, ever since it rose out of the sea). So Minnesota is probably alot colder than scandinavia, even though its much further south.

What sets scandinavians apart is that the golf stream made it possible to be an agricultural society this far north. Hence, very long winters. Hence, very dark winters.

It would be interesting if this affected genteic tendencies. Like, all things being equal, will people with alot of scandinavian genetics have a greater affinity for sunbathing? Hard to seperate genes and culture of course.

About "socialism lite bing good with the right population". No, it is not. Social democracy in sweden was two things, the corporate state and the generalized wellfare state. This gave glitzy results on the surface. But it utterly destroyed our societies. Civic society was consumed by the state and everyones lojalty moved from one another to from citizen to state. Now we stand utterly helpless when the state has turned against us. Since everything was coopted by the state for decades.

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