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Thursday, December 15, 2016

An open letter to Democrats

ESR writes one in the faint hope they will react reasonably and learn from their unexpected defeat:
Donald Trump’s victory reads to me like a realignment election, a historic break with the way interest and demographic groups have behaved in the U.S. in my lifetime. Yet, Democrats, you so far seem to have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. Indeed, if I were Donald Trump I would be cackling with glee at your post-election behavior, which seems ideally calculated to lock Trump in for a second term before he has been sworn in for the first.

Stop this. Your country needs you. I’m not joking and I’m not concern-trolling. The wailing and the gnashing of teeth and the denial of reality have to end. In the rest of this essay I’m not going to talk about right and wrong and ideology, I’m going to talk about the brutal practical politics of what you have to do to climb out of the hole you are in.

We need to start with an unsparing assessment of that hole.

First, your ability to assemble a broad-based national coalition has collapsed. Do not be fooled into thinking otherwise by your popular vote “win”; that majority came entirely from the West Coast metroplex and disguises a large-scale collapse in popular support everywhere else in the U.S. Trump even achieved 30-40% support in blue states where he didn’t spend any money.

County-by-county psephological maps show that your base is now confined to two major coastal enclaves and a handful of university towns. Only 4 of 50 states have both a Democratic-controlled legislature and a Democratic governor. In 2018 that regionalization is going to get worse, not better; you will be defending 25 seats in areas where Trump took the popular vote, while the Republicans have to defend only 8 where Clinton won.

Your party leadership is geriatric, decades older than the average for their Republican counterparts. Years of steady losses at state level, masked by the personal popularity of Barack Obama, have left you without a bench to speak of – little young talent and basically no seasoned Presidential timber under retirement age. The fact that Joseph Biden, who will be 78 for the next Election Day, is being seriously mooted as the next Democratic candidate, speaks volumes – none of them good.

Your ideological lock on the elite media and show business has flipped from a powerful asset to a liability. Trump campaigned against that lock and won; his tactics can be and will be replicated. Worse, a self-created media bubble insulated you from grasping the actual concerns of the American public so completely that you didn’t realize the shit you were in until election night.
There is considerably more, all of which will be completely lost on Democrats wailing about Russian hackers, Putin, incest, racists, and Nazis.

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152 Comments:

Blogger Rick December 15, 2016 12:17 PM  

I stopped reading at:
"your country needs you"

Blogger S1AL December 15, 2016 12:21 PM  

@1 - Thereby demonstrating that virtue-signalling knows no political bounds.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 15, 2016 12:24 PM  

Rick, his point there is that one party rule is NOT desirable. The Rs are almost as corrupt and anti-middle-class as the Ds. The only good part of R domination at the moment is that we can start removing the cucks and "willing to cross-the aisle" types.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 15, 2016 12:26 PM  

Your ideological lock on the elite media and show business has flipped from a powerful asset to a liability.

4GW. Power only works when it holds the moral high ground. The Left Cult squandered this every time events offered them the opportunity.

Enshrining superiority-before-the-law for minorities to the point where even some H1-B from Hyderabad was preferred to Joe in Cincinnati and a corporation more feared an EEOC suit from not hiring an illegal immigrant than it feared ICE/E-verify problems were their own petard on which they deservedly now hoist.

As times get tougher for Americans, the rage against the Old Guard will only intensify. As long as the Left Cultists in the Media/Academia/Dem-GOP, et. al. attack him, Trump can maintain his "outsider" status and possibly deflect any consequences that arrive as interest rates rise and eventually gravity returns to the markets.

Blogger Rick December 15, 2016 12:30 PM  

Dirk --thank you. And concur. But I fail to see how we need more dummies.

Anonymous JustAnotherPairOfEyes December 15, 2016 12:33 PM  

The impression I'm getting from my leftist relatives (I don't bring up the election as I'm pretty sure they don't want to talk about it but one did bring it up) is that they think that Trump fooled the stupid working class and that he won't do anything good for them.

Not sure how long they can keep that fantasy up. My guess is that by carefully considering only statistics that break in their favor, they'll be convinced that the working classes will be running back to them right up until election night 2018 when they lose a super majority of the Senate to the Republicans and lose any ability to influence the next redistricting.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 15, 2016 12:37 PM  

The most obvious thing is that you have to stop contemptuously dismissing the largest single demographic segment of the American electorate. Because believe me, they noticed. So did their wives and children.

Now I get it. ESR is intentionally mansplaining the truth in full knowledge that Dems could never change this ideological pillar without a complete psychological meltdown.

Heartiste is right. The RU (Runaway Universalists) hate us. To them, we are the only thing standing between the present and a Garden-of-Eden-Future. They can no more embrace a successful political strategy than they can turn their skin inside out.

Political Inversion 101: The Dems are now the Cucks, who would rather navel-gaze with their fellow idealists than win.

My confidence in the long-term success of my kind has never been higher.

Anonymous Hugh G. Gaines December 15, 2016 12:39 PM  

"Do not cast pearls of wisdom before screeching, stupid faggots. If you do, they will just keep calling you racist and try to get you fired from your job."

-Common Sense 4:20

Blogger Shimshon December 15, 2016 12:42 PM  

Given the endless harassment and even death threats Republican electors are receiving, this is not going to happen.

Look at the "rising stars" they're pushing too, like Keith Ellison.

Blogger Jeff Wood December 15, 2016 12:42 PM  

I was delighted with the expression "Peacock Issues" - transgender bathrooms was mentioned.

A coinage (I may be late to the party) worth turning into a meme.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 15, 2016 12:42 PM  

I see he found Fash the Nation.

Blogger kurt9 December 15, 2016 12:44 PM  

ESR is doing reality. The liberals are not about to do reality, a fact abundantly supported by the liberal comments to the piece.

Blogger Giraffe December 15, 2016 12:44 PM  

Hopefully Republicans learn a lesson from Trump's election too. Results matter. Get results or we'll get someone from the outside.

Anonymous Friar Bob December 15, 2016 12:46 PM  

@Rick & Dirk
We won't have one-party rule. We don't even really have it now, but even if we appear to continue in that direction it won't last. So we don't actually need the Democrats, certainly not in any way REMOTELY like they are currently constituted.

We could quibble for quite some time over whether the two-party system is truly "inevitable" but it's been historically inescapable for the entire US history. The Federalists, Anti-Federalists, Whigs all have disappeared and were more-or-less immediately replaced by something else, often something similar but with major differences and calling itself something else.

The Dumbocraps are now self-destructing, and deservedly so (aside from the fact it's also decades overdue). If trends continue, they will be the next Whigs. And then they will be replaced, quite possibly by what we currently call the RINOs and neocons splitting off and forming something sorta-new.

Blogger Escoffier December 15, 2016 12:48 PM  

With all respect to ESR and the Boss we may very well require a second party but does it have to be the one that puts White survival on referendum every time it gets it's hands on power? I would remind y'all the Founding Father's felt we should have politics free of faction. I'm not sure how we do that and it's pretty clear they didn't either but nonetheless.

The D's have rendered themselves utterly irrelevant and the R's are not behind why not give the whole rotten mess a good kick and see what comes out the other side?

Anonymous omar's running shoes December 15, 2016 12:50 PM  

Because the Comet Ping Pong crowd is so open to advice from the provinces.

This is like a semi-sober Hamich giving advice to the Capitol. Funny, but so awkward.

It would have been a great piece except the author actually believes they will read it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 15, 2016 12:52 PM  

kurt9 wrote:ESR is doing reality.

He's doing rehash the nation. Almost all of the points from this essay are taken from this week's episode.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 15, 2016 12:54 PM  

Jeff Wood wrote:I was delighted with the expression "Peacock Issues" - transgender bathrooms was mentioned.

A coinage (I may be late to the party) worth turning into a meme.


Agree.

Blogger pyrrhus December 15, 2016 12:55 PM  

SJWs will cling to the Narrative regardless of ESR's sage commentary, which is why the Democrats may go the way of the Labor Party in the UK, to be replaced by what is unknown.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 15, 2016 12:59 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:kurt9 wrote:ESR is doing reality.

He's doing rehash the nation. Almost all of the points from this essay are taken from this week's episode.


I'm getting confused, it was either TDS or FTN and it was in the last two weeks. Specifically: redistricting, voter ID, realignment, demographics, aging democratic party talent, replication of populist tactics, etc.

Anonymous dagwood December 15, 2016 1:01 PM  

I'm not sure this guy is right about the Dems only leeching their potential majority from the West Coast (and, of course, from the dead, from illegals, from people voting multiple times, and from plain old brazen-faced ballot-forging fraud.) Trump won several key states by a tiny eyelash-breadth. From the point of view of demographic momentum, he's still running against the wind. If he doesn't play his cards brilliantly, reward his allies handsomely and punish the absolute living shit out of his foes, this could all be a speed bump on the march to white genocide. Have you looked at mainstream advertising lately? White men and white children have been wholesale erased.

What is most interesting to me about the whole thing is the hurricane-level intensification of shrieking, howling, open-throated, anti-white hatred. Their plan already existed on a deliberate genocidal scale, but it was semi-cloaked; now their rhetoric openly and proudly matches it. The sheer scale and volume of murderous hatred is --well I won't say astounding, because I expected it-- but, fascinating. And very, very useful to us. Keep it coming, assholes. Kronos turns energy into matter.

Blogger Lazarus December 15, 2016 1:06 PM  

In a similar vein:

Why The Democrats Can't Let Go Of Losing


If the Democratic Party clings to elitism, indignation, denial and self-justification, it will be digging its own shallow grave beside the one awaiting the Republican Party should it fail to embrace practical, affordable solutions to the stagnation of opportunity and rising inequality.

Anonymous GregMan December 15, 2016 1:12 PM  

"you didn’t realize the shit you were in until election night"

UNTIL?!? They STILL haven't realized it.

Blogger Iron Spartan December 15, 2016 1:13 PM  

Democrats haven't hit rock bottom yet. That won't happen until 2018 or 2020 when the republicans have a super majority in both houses and enough states to push through constitutional amendments and the Democrats will have zero ability to even slow them down.

At that point they may, and its only a may, decide to go looking for soul they sold so long ago.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 15, 2016 1:17 PM  

They will learn nothing. They will double and redouble down until the house of cards falls apart. Even if they win, thier whole ideology is based on subversion and when you they have nothing left to subvert, they will eat their own.

Anonymous FP December 15, 2016 1:18 PM  

Eh, waste of time because they won't listen and "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake".

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents December 15, 2016 1:20 PM  

ESR writes a good essay. I have a confession to make. I've been skimming past every comment by Wild Man and every reply to him, because turgid weaseling is boring.

The comments on ESR's essay tell me that libtards won't stop tarding. He's trying to reason them out of their emotional storm, and they won't have any of it. Bangsticks bad! Bad! White people evil! Evil! The sheer emotionalism plus the butthurt makes that comment thread entertaining beyond what I expected, and Trump isn't even sworn in yet?

After the electors vote next Monday surely the butthurt will explode to new levels. Buckets of libtard tears will be collected.
Are you not entertained? Is it not teh lulz?

Trump 2016 for the LOLZ!

Anonymous Broken Arrow December 15, 2016 1:25 PM  

The "center" for SJWs is where ever they currently are politically and they have taken over the DNC.

One can only hope they continue to double down.

Anonymous dagwood December 15, 2016 1:27 PM  

It might almost be for the best if the electors cave to the tards and sabotage the People. Then we can cut straight to the coup and partition, and avoid the 15 years of tedious tap-dancing which we'd otherwise have to watch while waiting for the inevitable partition.

Plus, they'll spend all that time trying anything possible to bring in a mind-freezing tsunami of extra muds, in order to increase their share of the pie. If partition were held on Tuesday after the electors cave on Monday, humans would get 60%+ of the turf, tards <10%, and muds 30%. If we have to wait 15 more years, it'll be a 50-50 split or worse.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 15, 2016 1:31 PM  

I like ESR, but his rabid contempt for Christianity and anyone that does not worship the gods of Darwin and free trade reveals someone who is not as clear a thinker as he believes himself to be.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 1:35 PM  

@8 - good one.

The most obvious thing is that you have to stop contemptuously dismissing the largest single demographic segment of the American electorate. Because believe me, they noticed. So did their wives and children.

No, I wish they merely dismissed us. Hillary might be president and it wouldn't have been so bad. Instead over the last 8 years - as the GOP even in their cuckish form have been ascending they have actively attacked and tried to destroy us

Volokh points to the problem, especially the Bob Jones will apply to anyone who won't do Gay weddings

To what can we attribute Trump’s success? The most logical answer is that religious traditionalists felt that their religious liberty was under assault from liberals, and they therefore had to hold their noses and vote for Trump. As Sean Trende of RealClear Politics noted, since 2012:

Democrats and liberals have: booed the inclusion of God in their platform at the 2012 convention (this is disputed, but it is the perception); endorsed a regulation that would allow transgendered students to use the bathroom and locker room corresponding to their identity; attempted to force small businesses to cover drugs they believe induce abortions; attempted to force nuns to provide contraceptive coverage; forced Brendan Eich to step down as chief executive officer of Mozilla due to his opposition to marriage equality; fined a small Christian bakery over $140,000 for refusing to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding; vigorously opposed a law in Indiana that would provide protections against similar regulations – despite having overwhelmingly supported similar laws when they protected Native American religious rights – and then scoured the Indiana countryside trying to find a business that would be affected by the law before settling upon a small pizza place in the middle of nowhere and harassing the owners. In 2015, the United States solicitor general suggested that churches might lose their tax exempt status if they refused to perform same-sex marriages. In 2016, the Democratic nominee endorsed repealing the Hyde Amendment, thereby endorsing federal funding for elective abortions.

Megan McArdle of Bloomberg similarly pointed out, “Over the last few years, as controversies have erupted over the rights of cake bakers and pizza places to refuse to cater gay weddings, the rights of nuns to refuse to provide insurance that covers birth control, the rights of Catholic hospitals to refuse to perform abortions, and the rights of Christian schools to teach (and require students and teachers to practice) traditional Christian morality, some Christians have begun to feel that their communities are under existential threat.”

OpenID rufusdog December 15, 2016 1:41 PM  

One of the things he misses is your average man doesn’t want some fake POS politician telling him what he thinks he wants to hear. ESR is telling them they need to get back to hiding who they really are. I don’t think that will work anymore, at least not in the short term and I don’t think the Dems can actually change.

ESR is no friend of the right.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 15, 2016 1:44 PM  

So we don't actually need the Democrats, certainly not in any way REMOTELY like they are currently constituted.

Exactly. I'm not sure we need an opposition party anyway, like something out of a fantasy story where the hero needs a foil to keep him grounded. ("There are two sides to every Schwartz.") Trump and the loyal portion of the GOP already have plenty of opposition from the rest of the GOP, the bureaucracy, media, etc. If we loaded the DNC on a colony ship and launched it toward Alpha Centauri, there would still be plenty of opposition to keep Trumpism from running wild and turning to the Dark Side the way it happens in liberal nightmares.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen December 15, 2016 1:44 PM  

The dirt really is magic. You just have to put the Democrats in it. Big crop.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 1:49 PM  

Another thing conspicuous by its absence, is any coherent platform.

All they have are the peacock issues. Or just counting on the collection of groups - blacks, women, LGBTQ. That is where the "deplorables" came from. They broke health care, how were they going to fix it?

Juxtaposed, Bruce Schneier has forgotten nothing and learned nothing

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 15, 2016 1:51 PM  

If history is a guide, we're going to be seeing a lot of ink spilt in the next several years concerned about what Democrats need to do to get their mojo back. From 2001-06, this was perhaps the major theme and interest of The Washington Post. It seemed like there was a front page story on it every day. And there was a war on! So, we got a lot of hand-wringing like, "How can Democrats oppose the war, but still be seen as patriotic?" Everything was seen through this filter.

It really was amazing. But this question is going to be the central preoccupation of the chattering class's thought-leaders for the next few years, and it will affect everything they write. What do the Democrats need to do. How can the Democrats regain power. What, Iran just nuked DC? How can the Democrats use that to advantage, you think? etc.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 1:54 PM  

A caller to Rush noted the "Survivor" effect. Put all the Right on one island and they will have a civilization going rather quickly. Put all the Left and they will starve, even if they have Manginas. Virtue signalling is no substitute for producing something.

No, we don't need the Democrats. They used to be advocates for the oppressed so did some good. Now they are just about taking from the productive and giving to the virtue signalers and cronies - e.g. Elon Musk who makes a fancy electric expensive version of the old USSR Lada, or the Yugo.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 1:54 PM  

@33 Cail Corishev
If we loaded the DNC on a colony ship and launched it toward Alpha Centauri, there would still be plenty of opposition to keep Trumpism from running wild and turning to the Dark Side the way it happens in liberal nightmares.

That's just supposition. We can't know if it is true until a B Arc is constructed, filled and sent off to Alpha C. Therefore we should make the experiment at the earliest possible moment.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 1:54 PM  

@34 Calling David the Good, "Will it Compost?". Magic dirt indeed.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 15, 2016 1:55 PM  

ESR is no friend of the right.

Which is funny, because given the things he writes about, we are on his side. Only the alt-right is working to preserve the kind of culture that can support his Bazaar.

Blogger allyn71 December 15, 2016 1:57 PM  

@33 Exactly. I'm not sure we need an opposition party anyway, like something out of a fantasy story where the hero needs a foil to keep him grounded.

We already have an opposition party. The Globalist Cucks.

The future of US politics is ((Globalist)) and their allies vs. Americans. Irregardless of what they call themselves that is the ideological divide of the conflict. Really that is going to be the defining issue of the 21st century.

Anonymous Bz December 15, 2016 1:58 PM  

As a representative of the Democratic Party, I would like to ask him to immediately stop his mansplaining.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir December 15, 2016 1:59 PM  

"Stop this. Your country needs you." Bull shit. It's not "your" country. We need to annihilate your ass---and we will.

Blogger Zach December 15, 2016 1:59 PM  

@33

The Ark B option? Hmm...

Blogger Cloudswrest December 15, 2016 2:00 PM  

> ESR writes one in the faint hope they will react reasonably and learn from their unexpected defeat.

Does he expect the scorpion to stop stinging the frog?

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 15, 2016 2:00 PM  

Is this intentional Black Knighting on ESR's part? 2nd law of SJWs is going to be in full effect after they read his essay.

"How dare he tell us our strategy is wrong! By saying that he is saying our goals are wrong and we know that they are pure! We'll show him! We'll virtue signal even harder and declare all out war on straight white America! That will rally a wave of people to our side and Utopia will finally be achieved!!!"

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 2:00 PM  

@33, @38 - it has already been proposed Spoiler, the last humans on earth leave for Alpha C, but when they arrive, the Centauri know there are either unfallen, fallen but unredeemed or irredeemable, fallen but redeemed, so after some communication they decide whether to let in these "refugees".

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 2:02 PM  

@46
Is this intentional Black Knighting on ESR's part

Nope. He's sincerely trying to use dialectic on hysterical, butthurt, emotional people in the middle of a major tantrum. It just looks like Black knighting.

I hope he does more of this. The comments that result are teh lulz!

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 2:04 PM  

@47 tz

Look, I'm just trying to solve two problems: first, what to do with the DNC, second what to do about the Trisolarian invasion fleet. It's not easy, gimme a break!

Anonymous Mark Auld December 15, 2016 2:06 PM  

How do you think the military will act during the chaos of said partition, remember that they are highly integrated with some of the best of the nonwhites.Sounds like a large clusterf**k to me...explain how this will work out please.

Blogger Zundfolge December 15, 2016 2:07 PM  

Why would anyone want to help these people? Clearly the country doesn't "need" nor want them so let them fade into obscurity.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 15, 2016 2:07 PM  

Eric Raymond is completely wrong.

The only one-party state he should be worried about is the one one we've been living in up to now. After (IF) we manage to take apart the media/deep-state uniparty, THEN we can worry about a new uniparty emerging. But that will take decades to happen.

The natural human tendency to break into factions and fight will take over. If we managed to wipe out the Democrats completely, and achieve everything we want without opposition, the Republican party would just split along some new axis, and over new issues.

I want want the anti-white party completely destroyed and discredited so that their ideas disappear forever.

Anonymous Mark Auld December 15, 2016 2:09 PM  

How do you think the military will act during the chaos of said partition, remember that they are highly integrated with some of the best of the nonwhites.Sounds like a large clusterf**k to me...explain how this will work out please.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 15, 2016 2:14 PM  

Maybe I should add that I like Eric Raymond. If there's anyone here who hasn't read his essay Gramscian damage, you should read it now:

Gramscian damage

Anonymous Curtis Fields December 15, 2016 2:14 PM  

This is false. The Democrats are still in power and they are still winning. All the demographic trends are against the Republicans and in favour of the Democrats. Being the Inclusive Party still becomes more powerful each cycle. Trump is a blip caused by more American whites realising that they are facing an Inclusive Party, leading to consolidation of the white vote, but the trend is still toward the total white vote, and total historical Republican demographic vote, becoming a strict minority in the United States in the very near future.


Blogger tz December 15, 2016 2:18 PM  

@40 - You can search "Toxic Christianity" where he says he fears Christians and is a "Militant Atheist" and fears Christians as much as if not more than Islam.
Somehow he can't see Christians aren't the threat. Molyneux was surprised that when attacked Christians, he got nice requests to talk back, not death threats.

@22 - I also noted in his comments that the Democratic Party is SJW converged, or as the article you linked to has a paragraph:

Hogwash. Any institution that can't accept achingly obvious critiques is doomed. Resilient, confident people and organizations welcome fair criticism, as honest criticism (i.e. intended to improve performance and understanding) is essential to the process of successful adaptation to changing conditions.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 2:21 PM  

@56 tz on ESR
@40 - You can search "Toxic Christianity" where he says he fears Christians and is a "Militant Atheist" and fears Christians as much as if not more than Islam.

So is ESR ignorant, or stupid? In VD / Aristotle terms, can he be taught?

Blogger Unknown December 15, 2016 2:21 PM  

@55, did you come over here from there to post the same exact drivel?

I want some of what you are smoking.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 15, 2016 2:22 PM  

Your party leadership is geriatric, decades older than the average for their Republican counterparts.

The Democrat party likes to think of itself as the party of the young, but any non-indoctrinated youth must see that the Democrat party is to the young as Dracula is to Lucy.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit December 15, 2016 2:23 PM  

OT: Damo Retardo approves of the new Star Wars. My plan to stay well away from it confirmed.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 2:24 PM  

@53
How do you think the military will act during the chaos of said partition, remember that they are highly integrated with some of the best of the nonwhites

Frankly I would prefer not to find out, and any comment is just a guess. One thing to bear in mind, the actual combat arms of infantry, armor, artillery, aviation are heavily white while minorities tend to concentrate in logistics / support.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 15, 2016 2:24 PM  

ESR
and smarter Republicans than Trump



wait, wut?

who? where?

what in the ever living fuck is ESR talking about?

because i tell you right now:
unless ESR disavows that analysis as purely knowing Rhetoric, intended only to sway Leftists shouting "Putin! Russia!" just before they lemming off the edge of the cliff
...
he has just disqualified HIS OWN assessment.

WHERE ARE all of these gobsmackingly intelligent Republicans who can so easily replicate what Trump has done?

hasn't ESR noticed that the Republican vetting process is specifically designed to WEED OUT the sort of people who speak as Trump does?

that it's the money men BEHIND the Republican party who muzzle any of those so foolish as to be inclined that way?


can Trump be duplicated? yes. but the same could be said of Reagan ... and yet the Repukelicans have never managed that, either.

asserting that the yes-men and suck-ups of the Repukelican establishment are capable of duplicating it is as delusional as anything that the Demoncrats are spinning.


as to ESR's point about the county vote, yeah, that's indisputable.

some of you may remember a little tussle i had with a Soros troll just before the election, he was trying to claim that there were no Trump signs to be seen in SW Pennsylvania ( and thus no Trump support ) whereas i had personally observed many.

well, the results are in.

forget SW PA, Hillary only took three PA counties west of Philthydelphia and the eastern state line:
Alleghany - Pittsburgh ( which still went 40% for Trump )
Centre - State College / University of Penn ( which Hillary won by <2% points )
Dauphin - Harrisburg / Hershey ( which Hillary won by <3% points )

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/pennsylvania/


and the election results demonstrate that there was significant Trump support WITHIN Pittsburgh, much less the rest of SW Penn.

SJWs always lie.

Anonymous kfg December 15, 2016 2:25 PM  

"Your country needs you."

ESR himself seems to have failed to learn. The letter reads as if he does not understand what the Democrats are, and rather persists in thinking of them as he thought they were.

We may well need something or other in their place to prevent the government from becoming essentially a mono-party, but we do not need them. We need to be rid of them.

Decades ago.

Blogger pyrrhus December 15, 2016 2:30 PM  

@53 "How do you think the military will act during the chaos of said partition, remember that they are highly integrated with some of the best of the nonwhites.Sounds like a large clusterf**k to me...explain how this will work out please."
From what I hear from people who are in, or have been in, the combat arms forces, the "best of the nonwhites" are not likely to be much of a problem for the Deplorable middle class and working class whites who make up the backbone of the actual war fighters. And indeed, many of these nonwhites may well side with the their white comrades.

Blogger weka December 15, 2016 2:31 PM  

@55. You made a parallel comment at ESR's place. Which shows you are a purblind fool. That is the strategy of NZ Labour -- who have lost three elections in a row, and UK Labour -- who have lost two elections in a row... to cuckservatives.

When the Alt Right takes over in both countries -- and it will, when the property bubble we have in the commonwealth bursts -- then the left will be one with Sodom, the Soviet, and the NSDAP.

Rejected, ad damned.

Blogger pyrrhus December 15, 2016 2:32 PM  

@62 Yes, I have to admit that ESR is smoking something powerful if he thinks that America needs SJWs or multiKultis...The right number of each is zero.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 15, 2016 2:36 PM  

"Stop this. Your country needs you." Bull shit. It's not "your" country.

Good point. How long has it been since leftists thought of America as "their country," rather than a racist/sexist/fascist enemy territory that needed to be destroyed and replaced with something they liked?

Blogger Chiva December 15, 2016 2:39 PM  

@55. Yes Curtis, what you wrote is false.

Blogger justaguy December 15, 2016 2:40 PM  

The writer is completely wrong. We barely won the election and only then because Hillary was the worst candidate in a century. 107,000 votes in three states shifting would mean Trump lost. Three states that were ignored by the democrat campaign as already in the bag. Had H not been a known liar, crook, and had decades of scandals plus being incompetent enough to ignore her husband’s advice on how to win we would have lost. Conservatives are not the majority, but the center is still holds the majority. As long as the Left campaigns as the wacko-left then conservatives stand a chance at presidential elections.

I see the problem as what happens when another Bill Clinton or O comes along and campaigns to the center---they will win like they did in 92, 96, 08, and 12? After winning they can govern as wacko leftists—both Bill and O did. Now as long as the left stays crazy and campaigning to the 32 different genders and promising bathroom equality we will be fine. But as soon as someone not crazy gets there—you get another “feel your pain” type who is supported by the culture and the media and we are toast. Let us hope that they stay crazy.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 2:41 PM  

@55 The problem is the Democrats are not inclusive, they are SJW converged. Like most Universities, they can't do anything they attempt other than virtue signalling in a crystal echo chamber.

Specifically excluding Christians (Prop 8 banning Gay marriage was passed by a LARGER margin in deep blue California than Clinton's popular margin - the reason Eich was purged though he was in the majority?), they exclude Gun Owners, they exclude pro-lifers (i.e. anyone that doesn't want government to cover partial birth abortion under Gosnell charnal house rules). They hate small business, the working class including the working poor in general (not just whites - anyone not on welfare or who wants to get off).

Peacocks are loud, bright, and run around a lot, but aren't a threat. They have awakened the wolf pack though.

And they still don't get it. And they can't because they are converged. And they won't become unconverged.

The best hope the left has is to become a (small-l)libertarian alternative advocating supporting their original constituencies. There are some moderate and libertarian Democrats (Dennis Kucinich of Ohio would vote with Ron Paul on occasion, and Montana's Governor is a Democrat winning by 50.2%). Shrink government, maybe go with the Constitution. I think some of the remaining Never Trump crowd could get around it.

I don't think that will happen, but that is the only thing I can see to a loyal as opposed to obstructionist opposition.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 15, 2016 2:42 PM  

No, we need SJWs. They are useful as organ donors, crash test dummies, and target holders.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 15, 2016 2:52 PM  

I very much want to see the continued and total destruction of the Democrat party. Eventually from its smoldering ashes will emerge a new party. My gut says that the Democrats will transform themselves into the "centrist/cuck" party once the rabid leftists become so marginalized as to be irrelevant, while the Republicans will become the outright nationalist/identitarian party. In other words, the Dems will become the party of Bush, while the Republicans will the party of Buchanan.

Blogger lowercaseb December 15, 2016 2:52 PM  

it's a shame the demos can not learn from this as there are some VERY good nuggets of wisdom that could save them...

Your worst – and increasingly likely – case is that white people now begin voting as something like an ethnic bloc. This is, after all, how you’ve been teaching other ethnic groups to play the game since the 1960s.

ESRs post reads like one of the competent German general's plea to a completely tweaked out Hitler near the end of the war. Solid advice that will be ignored at best.

Blogger allyn71 December 15, 2016 2:54 PM  

@68 justaguy

You think they can keep their coalition together while campaigning to the center?

For that to happen they would have to abandon identity politics but identity politics is all they got.

Blogger Gapeseed December 15, 2016 2:56 PM  

@Curtis Fields - Republicans ought to take you and your ideas seriously. To curtail the trend you proffer, the Republicans should propose to rescind the 26th Amendment establishing a voting age floor of 18. After all, the Amendment was passed while the country was in the throes of Vietnam War student protests. With no draft in sight, the rationale behind the Amendment no longer stands, and college-age kids these days don't exactly dazzle with knowledge and wisdom. As a concession, Republicans can exempt all who actually serve in the military.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 2:56 PM  

@57 ESR is an ubergeek hacker, so doesn't usually have time to go in depth on society. It took Molyneux a year or two of discourse and contact with Christians, but ubergeekdom is its own echo chamber.

In short, if he really wants to know and engage, he would move to Molyneux positions and abandon the stupid and erroneous views of Christian history (recently "Why I was wrong about" both libertarians and atheists). The Irrational Atheist and Molyneux de-revisionist history videos would help.

Even myself, the world moved so I had to change my opinions and have to deal with the 2016 model, not the one of my parents or grandparents. I'm not sure if I'm Alt-Right, only because I'm still libertarian at heart, but know that the current crop of US citizens want to turn the US into Canada or Venezuela and liberty has no chance while these are even a significant minority. What to do? Convert, deport, or die. The latter might be passive if there is a breakdown of any of the grids - EBT cards, finance, electricity.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 2:57 PM  

Just saw my first "Impeach Trump" t-shirt on some aging Boomer.
The butthurt is palpable.

Blogger praetorian December 15, 2016 2:59 PM  

Autism.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 15, 2016 3:13 PM  

"Stop this. Your country needs you."

Venezuela?

Blogger Cail Corishev December 15, 2016 3:19 PM  

ESR is an ubergeek hacker, so doesn't usually have time to go in depth on society. It took Molyneux a year or two of discourse and contact with Christians, but ubergeekdom is its own echo chamber.

Yes, geekdom is very much anti-Christian. It's anti-religious in that "I'm too smart for that fairy-tale stuff" way, but since Christianity is the only religion you can safely ridicule, it's the one that takes the beating. It's just a given in tech circles that everyone's an atheist, so you won't hear anything else until you get outside that.

Blogger André Sanchez December 15, 2016 3:19 PM  

In all seriousness, can someone explain to me exactly why one-party rule is a bad thing? What exactly is the advantage to society of giving legitimacy to groups that openly fight to undermine that society? The left has shown again and again that it seeks to drive anything that opposes its narrative underground. Even now it is actively trying to censor alternative narratives, despite the fact Trump won the election. They cry about right-wing dictatorships then turn around and praise blodier, more totalitarian, starvation inducing left-wing ones. They are the enemy. Stop pandering. If some people want to live by a different philosophy, a different guiding principle, let them split from the main tribe and try their ideas on their own, without victims to feed on.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 15, 2016 3:19 PM  

allyn71 wrote:@68 justaguy

You think they can keep their coalition together while campaigning to the center?

For that to happen they would have to abandon identity politics but identity politics is all they got.


As long as they can point to whites as the universal class enemy that must be suppressed while keeping white america split, the dems can rule for generations..with the occasional interregnum. America is moving to 3rd world demographics, and that means 3rd politics, and its common in the thoird world for one party to rule for generations.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar December 15, 2016 3:22 PM  

The level of rhetoric I'm hearing concerning Russian interference concerns me. Are they driven enough to attempt subverting our election results? Seems Obama is getting plenty of support from the RINOs.

Blogger praetorian December 15, 2016 3:24 PM  

E Michael Jones has claimed that the left, in the person of Michael Foucault, quite literally sold out the working class to The Devil for unlimited sexual license:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKH0EwEPnZw

This is apparently in Foucault's official biography (I can't claim to have read it to confirm, but EMJ is a reliable source.)

Anonymous BBGKB December 15, 2016 3:27 PM  

TZ you should have been encouraging them to double down, not reason with them. Even thought I know better I tell hardcore leftists that TRUMP only won because of the fight for TRANNY bathrooms in an election year & fielding Ayn Rand Villain Rob Mook ,that even Georgie Stephanopoulos chewed out. When they realize how many millions of illegal alien voters they stand to lose via deportation it will be Christmas again.

"Do not cast pearls of wisdom before screeching, stupid faggots NASSFALT IKAGO

I was delighted with the expression "Peacock Issues" - transgender bathrooms was mentioned.

Feminists want to take urinals out of men's bathrooms while gays want to put mirrors above them.

productive and giving to the virtue signalers and cronies - e.g. Elon Musk who makes a fancy electric expensive version of the old USSR Lada

Musk is a bigger welfare queen than Latrina.

fears Christians as much as if not more than Islam.Somehow he can't see Christians aren't the threat

Even after PULSE GLBTs still worried more about STR8 YT Church Going Christian Men than moslem beheaders. Not only do they say the Afghani moslem, who called 911 to say he did it because the US attacks his homeland, is actually a NRA American but claimed the 60+yo guy who put battery acid in lubricant dispensers at a bathhouse must have been a right wing Christian instead of a jealous old queen that had been going there for decades. Jenner only had to kill one woman to ID as a woman driver but an Afghani moslem who shoots 102 gays gets mislabeled.

The Democrat party likes to think of itself as the party of the young, but any non-indoctrinated youth must see

The Haitian girls that hang out at Comet Pizza will vote for more free stuff no matter what happens to them, even if they die.

approves of the new Star Wars. My plan to stay well away from it confirmed.

Star Wars: Rouge Marry Sue Onesie. Even without the power of the magic FORCE Marry Sue uses her ability to shoot ping pong balls out of her vagagay to defeat multiple STR8 YT Men. With a team of affirmative action tokens she will steal (good thing she brought black/brown people) the plans for the little original Death Star. They then deliver the stolen loot to princess "post wall" Laya.

military will act during the chaos of said partition, remember that they are highly integrated with some of the best of the nonwhites

Play the music that they are supposed to stop and salute the flag to and the best of the nonwhites will be running away so they don't have to salute it. We were getting one a month busted for posting on facebook/twitter that they ran from the music.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 3:30 PM  

Facebook will start fact checking to sniff out Fake News using Snopes and other "fact-checkers". Specifically, Snopes, Factcheck.org, ABC News, and PolitiFact as well as the Associated Press.

To combat fake news, Facebook has partnered with a shortlist of media organizations, including Snopes and ABC News, that are part of an international fact-checking network led by Poynter, a nonprofit school for journalism located in St. Petersburg, Florida.

Starting as a test with a small percentage of its users in the United States, Facebook will make it easier to report news stories that are fake or misleading. Once third-party fact checkers have confirmed that the story is fake, it will be labeled as such and demoted in the News Feed.


So Fakebook will start checking "Fake News" using Fake News sources such as ABC "news". This should be entertaining.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 15, 2016 3:33 PM  

@21 dagwood wrote: "Keep it coming, assholes. Kronos turns energy into matter."

I'm stealing that.

OpenID rufusdog December 15, 2016 3:44 PM  

The Dems thought they didn’t need to lie anymore, ESR is just reminding them they do.

The man comes off like a weasel.

“Again, I emphasize that I am not issuing an ideological prescription here. I am not arguing in this essay that the present Democratic platform and strategy is wrong in an abstract moral sense, but rather that that it has become suicidal practical politics.”

Later.

“Again, this advice has nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of individual peacock issues and more with a general sense that the elites are fiddling while Rome burns.”

What a worm. This guy is exhibit A of what is wrong with politics and humanity in general. Not one ounce of purity in anything he says, he could have saved all sorts of time and said “guys, you miss judged what the majority of people want to hear, you need to switch up your BS so you can win again”

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot December 15, 2016 3:48 PM  

When I first heard of Trump's 3084 county win versus Clinton's 57 county win, the first thing I thought was this: I wonder if anyone else who watched the American television series "Jericho" also thinks that the "Allied States of America" might now enter the realm of possibilities, given an unfortunate turn of events ...

https://infogalactic.com/info/Jericho_%282006_TV_series%29

Nota bene to the Left: some scorched earth policies result in actual scorched earth.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 3:50 PM  

@80 Because, like monarchy, sometimes the wise and good philosopher king gets replaced with a tyrant. Nixon? Bush, the elder? Lincoln? They were all republicans.

@84 Ayn Rand Villain Rob Mook I'm so stealing that. And I'm not trying to reason with a converged Democratic party member anymore than I would reason with a tree. I'm trying to reason with some who would read the comments and still have a functioning mind.

Meanwhile Urinals in ladies rooms is a thing, but with SJWs turning the virtue signalling up to 11 I can't be sure if such is fake news.

Anonymous Dan December 15, 2016 3:51 PM  

"County-by-county psephological maps show that your base is now confined to two major coastal enclaves and a handful of university towns. Only 4 of 50 states have both a Democratic-controlled legislature and a Democratic governor."

Correction, five. Our Governor Larry Hogan here in Maryland is a cuck.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 3:56 PM  

@88, so if Trump can get the CIA to give 57 WMDs to the suicide terrorists, we can kill two birds with one stone (or windmill, if you are an Eagle's fan).

That is why I support #CalExit. Then just cut the power and pipelines, and let it descend into anarchy.

Blogger SteelPalm December 15, 2016 3:58 PM  

I really like Oliver Cromwell's comment over there. Don't know if he is one of ours, but it's good for all to keep in mind;

The premise of the article is false. The Democrats are still in power and they are still winning. All the demographic trends are against the Republicans and in favour of the Democrats. Being the Anti-White Party still becomes more powerful each cycle. Trump is a blip caused by more American whites realising that they are facing an Anti-White Party, leading to consolidation of the white vote, but the trend is still toward the total white vote, and total historical Republican demographic vote, becoming a strict minority in the United States in the very near future.

The Democrats will need to rethink their strategy if Trump actually reverses dysgenic immigration and dysgenic fertility in the United States in a way that seems like it cannot be overturned in 2-3 terms. That is very unlikely to happen. What is more likely is that Trump will delay the US becoming a one party state by 10-20 years (this will look like Jeb Bush becoming the extreme right of the Republicans, rather than a literal one party state; there is always space for two figureheads saying the same thing).


The conclusion from this assessment (similar to what Vox has written at times) is clear; KEEP FIGHTING. Some important battles were won, but the war has barely even begun.

Blogger icr December 15, 2016 3:58 PM  

Facebook should outsource the fact checking to India. India has the advantages of being historically neutral (except when it comes to Pakistan) and having an almost inexhaustible supply of cheap labor.

Anonymous BBGKB December 15, 2016 4:01 PM  

This link is on topic to all 3 of today's posts. I hope her 14yo daughter can have all the abortions xe wants. legalinsurrection dot com /2016/12/george-stephanopoulos-wife-stokes-childrens-fear-of-trump/

Wentworth responded to Goldberg before she continued describing the distress her children have felt since election night.

“It just involves my fourteen-year-old getting upset about the election and screaming ‘no abortions’ really loudly,” Wentworth recalled.

Blogger Unknown December 15, 2016 4:01 PM  

Well this is really useful information. When you're with family over Christmas make sure to tell the liberal folks how important it is to double down on gun control, racism, sexism, etc.

Blogger SteelPalm December 15, 2016 4:02 PM  

@93

Can't tell if that's a joke or not. Actually, Facebook's current "Community Standards" team that deletes posts and bans accounts for wrongthink is stationed in India.

On the whole, it's a fucked-up, fairly anti-white nation with the world's third largest population of the Death Cult.

And I type this as someone who generally likes their culture and has many close Indian friends.

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 15, 2016 4:04 PM  

@61

You're confusing UPenn with The Pennsylvania State University. The problem with Centre County is that probably 90% of students at Penn State improperly register as voters there, when they really should be filing absentee ballots back home (i.e. other PA municipalities, home STATES like MD or NJ). Granted, a lot of that is due to voter registration drives on campus and people being willfully ignorant with regards to such efforts.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 15, 2016 4:10 PM  

Mark Auld.
The smart non-whites will throw their lot in with the whites. If unfaithful electors execute a coup - then there will be chaos, but the overwhekming majority of combat arms and maneuver unit personnel are white, as are the techs who maintain equipment above company level, and the techs who fix broken shit. Most blacks are in supply of some sort, and the only combat MOS that they gravitate to is field artillery (but not mortars, because that is infantry).

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 15, 2016 4:13 PM  

@90

Hogan may be a cuck, but he's significantly better than the alternative that was available at the time. I give him credit for taking a better tack against the legislature here than Ehrlich did in his only term.

I don't have much faith that he'll be able to get the districts redrawn out of the blatant gerrymandering they're under now, but if he has to cuck out to at least get buy-in from places that might actually benefit from such an effort, then that's what he has to do.

Damn shame, though. Imagine if we could get someone that was more like Trump here...

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 4:13 PM  

@92 - No, the demographic trends favor us because you forget the Maker / Taker divide. Wealth needs to be created before it can be redistributed. See Venezuela.

Blogger Lovekraft December 15, 2016 4:16 PM  

The left hopes we will just forget about the Trigglypuffs (on of thousands of examples) and assume they mean well this time.

Blogger allyn71 December 15, 2016 4:19 PM  

@81 Dirtnapninja

America is moving to 3rd world demographics, and that means 3rd politics, and its common in the thoird world for one party to rule for generations.

That is identity politics. The author, ESR, essentially calls for an abandonment of identity politics in favor of moving to the center. They abandon identity politics and their coalition falls apart. That is why they can't go back.

I for one, encourage more faster. They are the pressure that is forming the diamond.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 4:20 PM  

@94 - you can do URLs, a, href...
Call CPS on the Steph's

Blogger Avalanche December 15, 2016 4:51 PM  

BGKB:"The Haitian girls that hang out at Comet Pizza will vote for more free stuff no matter what happens to them, even if they die."

Didn't you mean AFTER they die?

Blogger VD December 15, 2016 4:51 PM  

So is ESR ignorant, or stupid? In VD / Aristotle terms, can he be taught?

I do not believe he is capable of changing his mind through information in that particular regard.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 15, 2016 4:59 PM  

They abandon identity politics and their coalition falls apart. That is why they can't go back.

Private sector union membership, once a Democrat stronghold, has dropped from something like 20% to 7% in the last 30 years. That happened largely because the Democrats took the white working class for granted while pandering to designated victim groups and government unions, and helped to ship factory jobs overseas or replace them with migrants. They can't just decide to woo that voting block back because it doesn't exist anymore. They killed most of it, and the rest is Trump's now.

I really don't see what other voting blocks are available to them. The neo-cons will go back to them, but that's a bunch of pundits, not a significant block of voters. (A bunch of pundits that largely opposed Trump anyway, so they won't gain anything by inviting them in, assuming they're willing to invite in any white guys.)

So they're going to double-down on racial grievance politics and virtue-signaling to good-whites, hoping those two groups together with government employees will be enough with a better candidate next time. It also means they're going to fight every immigration restriction and every attempt to stop vote fraud with everything they have, because there's no way they can win without the continued help of both.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 15, 2016 5:06 PM  

Donald Trump’s victory reads to me like a realignment election, a historic break with the way interest and demographic groups have behaved in the U.S. in my lifetime.

Actually no.

Trump simply won back the "Reagan Democrats." Bush, Dole, Baby Bush and McCain could have had them too.

But instead their political vision was shrouded by the mystical allure of the "Hispanic Conservative" and the dream of enticing him into the fold.

So the Cucks settled back into the comfortable rut of running against organized labor (AKA) the Reagan Democrats.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 5:13 PM  

@104 - We all prefer to live in our bubble. Few actively seek dissenting opinions to sharpen ourselves. I find interesting perspectives on the far left Democracy Now, and from the alt-white on Occidental Dissent. But I'm actively trying to challenge my mind in the way that a weightlifter wants a heavier set. Most don't.

ESR IS capable of changing his mind through information. However, I doubt he will seek such information himself, nor unless there is a race riot or terrorist attack in Pittsburgh or something similar will be shocked into getting the information. He will need a practical reason to change.

But he is equally unlikely to actively do anything about his views. He isn't much of an evangelist for society and politics as much as he is (and is vehement) for geekdom, opensource, and having a meritocracy there. And that might be the entree - a few more SJWs attempting to converge one of his projects and I think he will shift.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 15, 2016 5:15 PM  

Your ideological lock on the elite media and show business has flipped from a powerful asset to a liability. Trump campaigned against that lock and won; his tactics can be and will be replicated. Worse, a self-created media bubble insulated you from grasping the actual concerns of the American public so completely that you didn’t realize the shit you were in until election night.

Here's the thing about that media bubble. It's self reinforcing because they will not engage with someone once they have "Disqualified" them.

"Disqualify." is a monument to their intellectual laziness. After you have disqualified someone you are free to avoid any and all engagement and can merely shun them.

It has two purposes. One, avoid individual confrontation. You have to remember Feminists are either women or men who behave like women. They always form their opinions by non-confrontational group consensus. Direct confrontation with an individual is something they tend to avoid if at all possible. Blindly attacking an individual as a faceless member of a mob is something different entirely of course.

Two, they simply can't debate anyone on the Right anymore. They are too poorly and weakly trained intellectually. What colleges now call, "critical reasoning." is really just the rote memorization of political cant.

"Disqualify," is so reflexive to them at this point that they can no longer accept an electoral defeat. They have to "Disqualify," that defeat.

Anonymous VFM#1819 December 15, 2016 5:20 PM  

We need to start with an unsparing assessment of that hole.

Stealing this line of the article for my new closer.

#UnintentionalGame

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 5:28 PM  

@107 tz
But he is equally unlikely to actively do anything about his views. He isn't much of an evangelist for society and politics as much as he is (and is vehement) for geekdom, opensource, and having a meritocracy there. And that might be the entree - a few more SJWs attempting to converge one of his projects and I think he will shift.

So he's like most gamers were, pre-#GamerGate?

What's the demographic of his part of Pennsylvania, as white as Scalzi-Realm in Ohio?

Blogger allyn71 December 15, 2016 5:44 PM  

@105 Cail

It also means they're going to fight every immigration restriction and every attempt to stop vote fraud with everything they have, because there's no way they can win without the continued help of both.

Yep, things can't go back to the way they were which is why ESR call to action is never going to happen.

Vox is right that it is all identity politics now. Whites will increasingly vote as block.

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 5:55 PM  

@110 - excellent analogy. The Alt-Right was energized and expanded over Gamergate. ESR has a post or two about meritocracy.

Pittsburgh is white with blacks at the core, but more white. But blue collar conservative.

What ESR hasn't got about the Democrats or politics is what he realized in his post (first link above) Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs

As I've noted, the whole Democratic party is converged. Hillary had DebbieWS, then PoC(&s)DonnaB and Huma.

I would have an easier time proving the DNC and the party is converged than to prove Twitter is.

There is no immediate "code of conduct" but that isn't even necessary during the terminal convergence.

Anonymous Azimus December 15, 2016 5:58 PM  

André Sanchez December 15, 2016 3:19 PM
In all seriousness, can someone explain to me exactly why one-party rule is a bad thing?


One party system:

Best case real-world scenario - Mexico

Worst case real-world scenario - North Korea

Real world best-case scenario probably looks something like the West European states where a dozen or so viable parties form governments to accomplish platforms, then they dissolve when something else needs to be done. Ideal world best-case scenario is no political parties, but it is not a reality.


Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 15, 2016 6:00 PM  

VD wrote:So is ESR ignorant, or stupid? In VD / Aristotle terms, can he be taught?

I do not believe he is capable of changing his mind through information in that particular regard.


ESR is perfectly capable of changing his opinions on the basis of new information. I've seen him do it.
What you must understand though is that he is not a Libertarian Free Trader Gun Nut Anti-Christian on the basis of information. These are not stances he was reasoned in to. They are his Identity. They are who he is.
Very very few people are capable of being reasoned away from their core identity. They have to be driven from it, and many would rather die.

Anonymous Prayers answered for the Trumpslide December 15, 2016 6:03 PM  

Slightly OT, but they just keep doubling down on the stupid:

http://viralliberty.com/00000-8-0/

Apparently, that vile, biased media just wouldn't listen when Podesta told everyone that the Russians were trying to hack the election, and now they should give all the intelligence to the electors before they cast their vote for that cheater Donald Trump.

Anonymous Carlos Danger December 15, 2016 6:15 PM  

He never explained why we need Democrats. I think we need a bounty on them.

Blogger Wormwood December 15, 2016 6:38 PM  

He might as well be shouting into a hurricane. They can't change course. They are being devoured by a creature they created.

Blogger MeneMene December 15, 2016 6:57 PM  

Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgement simply need not be believed–in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical–and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. (Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Letters & Papers from Prison, 43)

Blogger Cail Corishev December 15, 2016 7:07 PM  

He never explained why we need Democrats.

There's a common belief that any party (or any force at all, really), if not opposed by a force with nearly its own strength, will become extreme and corrupt. Yin needs yang, light needs dark, etc. So even people who don't think Republicans are "bad" assume that a dominant GOP without the Democrats to balance it would soon be clubbing baby seals for their oil and requiring women to wear dresses and have 20 babies each.

(Though I wonder if ESR ever worried about one-party rule when the Democrats seemed unstoppable.)

It's a version of "absolute power corrupts absolutely." And there may be some truth to the concept, leaving aside the hysterical fantasies. But I'd still take a GOP in the early stages of learning to abuse power, rather than let today's Democrats anywhere near power again.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 15, 2016 7:38 PM  

"Russian hackers, Putin, incest, racists, and Nazis."

That's some laundry list. When I was younger, being a progressive liberal - i.e. Democrat - was a case of having a laundry list of officially liberal positions:

- pro-abortion (official anti-foetus prejudice)
- affirmative action (official anti-white prejudice)
- pro Union (official anti-business prejudice)
- pro free/cheap education (official anti-wealth prejudice)
- pro estate taxes (official anti-wealth prejudice)
- pro immigration and associated boondoggles, e.g. anchor babies and illegal amnesties (official anti-citizen prejudice)


Now it's Russian hackers, Putin, incest, racists and nazis.

Hoo-fucking-ray.

Blogger Lazarus December 15, 2016 7:42 PM  

He never explained why we need Democrats.

There are systems of representative democracy in the world that do not run a system requiring a bifactional ruling party. These have 3rd and 4th parties that sometimes hold a balance of power and must be negotiated with, thus modifying the power of the largest party.

I don't think the American zeitgeist has the cultural environment for such things, however.

Blogger André Sanchez December 15, 2016 7:59 PM  

@113 I didn't ask what's wrong with Socialist/Communist rule, which is what Mexico and North Korea are examples of, I asked what's wrong with one-party rule. Take some time to think about the difference and then get back to me. Also, Mexico probably has the best government its people are capable of supporting, while Korea's governments are simply the byproduct of the superpower each half of the peninsula was a puppet of.

Anonymous Durster December 15, 2016 8:12 PM  

Based on some of the various "news" articles out there I'd swear most if not all of the liberal leaning people in the US have gone off the deep end. The thing that confuses me at the moment is why there haven't been charges of sedition being handed out?

Blogger André Sanchez December 15, 2016 8:17 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:He never explained why we need Democrats.

There's a common belief that any party (or any force at all, really), if not opposed by a force with nearly its own strength, will become extreme and corrupt.


Is there actual evidence for that? Even the soviets, once they managed to crush the opposition, started to mellow. And now we find ourselves in the weird position of having to defend Russia against the american government's attempt to demonize them as the Evil Empire 2.0, the right-wing version. The fact is, all governments have an arch-nemesis at the door. It's known as human nature/reality.


Yin needs yang, light needs dark, etc. So even people who don't think Republicans are "bad" assume that a dominant GOP without the Democrats to balance it would soon be clubbing baby seals for their oil and requiring women to wear dresses and have 20 babies each.

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?


(Though I wonder if ESR ever worried about one-party rule when the Democrats seemed unstoppable.)

I know nothing about the guy, but I can assure you, leftists never worry about their own tyranny. Well, not until they themselves get crushed by it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 15, 2016 8:19 PM  

VFM#1819 wrote:We need to start with an unsparing assessment of that hole.

Stealing this line of the article for my new closer.

#UnintentionalGame


Ok, but when it comes to Game, don't wait intil you're in the hole.

Make your unsparing assessments well before then ...

Blogger Lazarus December 15, 2016 9:19 PM  

André Sanchez wrote:, I asked what's wrong with one-party rule.

Well, in the US, you have one party rule by the War Party, so whatever is wrong in the US might be a good example. Its been like that for decades, so there should be lots of material.

Blogger Thucydides December 15, 2016 9:43 PM  

Frankly, the best cure for the Democrats is to simply take them out at the knees. The vehicle? The "Bernie Bro's".

The magical economy of Freestuff written to pander to college age students and young workers at the bottom of the food chain is apparently magnetic enough to have almost knocked Hillary Clinton from contention as the Democrat candidate (and only some tried and true Dem electioneering tricks within their own party and a slate of bought and paid for "Superdelegates" could ensure the nomination). So applying a little bit of leverage to ensure the birth of an American Socialist Party (a new one appealing directly to the Bernie Bro's demographic, not a rehashing of any existing party like the Greens) should splinter a large portion of the Dem coalition and split the left wing vote enough to keep the Dems out of contention forever.

And think of the wonderful pull issues the Bernie Bro party could use. Big money in politics? How do Billionaire Democrat donors reflect the needs and wishes of the Bernie Bro's? Fake News? How did economic reporting between 2008-2016 hep the Bro's prepare for jobs and careers? Security? How did letting immigrants from questionable places make Americans safer (see Pulse nightclub, etc.), much less provide economic security by depressing the Bro's wages.

You could go on, but I think the point is made. The cleavage point is easily identified, and with a little research I'm sure other fracture points inside the Dem coalition could be found (including furious crony capitalists who lost their bet placing money in the Clinton Foundation).

Blogger tz December 15, 2016 9:45 PM  

Minnesota Somali Rapefugee
If they had rapefugees around Pittsburgh...

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 15, 2016 10:05 PM  

"So even people who don't think Republicans are "bad" assume that a dominant GOP without the Democrats to balance it would soon be clubbing baby seals for their oil and requiring women to wear dresses and have 20 babies each."

I'm on board with that program. I'd like to see fresh seal oil in the grocery stores, and beluga flipper, too. And I love children. And women in dresses.

Anonymous europeasant December 15, 2016 10:23 PM  

"all of which will be completely lost on Democrats wailing about Russian hackers, Putin, incest, racists, and Nazis"

The Democrats are getting desperate. They are at their witz end. They are even unfriending Facebook friends.

Anonymous Nobody U. Know December 15, 2016 10:24 PM  

@60
Exactly. I've said it on other blogs.

There are lots of Shaneequas and Latreenas in the US military. They joined up to drive trucks and empty bedpans, because the bennies were even better than welfare. But, see--the closer to the sharp end you get, the whiter the faces around you become. CAS pilots, Marine riflemen, Airborne infantry, and Special Forces are so white it's like a Mormon high school marching band, so obviously so and so much so that the fact elicits periodic squawks from the Usual Suspects that they are "too white" and need a quota system to put green beanies on the heads of more brown people regardless of qualification, because feelz.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/05/diversity-seals-green-berets/31122851/

Of course, I hope this prediction is never tested, but, in my opinion, in the event that it comes down to widespread violence, partition, and so on, in this country, it's not going look less like previous concepts of conventional military action and more like drowning a sack of unwanted kittens. The Pajama Boy types love to fantasize about Obama or Hillary "unleashing" the Army on "racist militias." The looks on a lot of faces are going to be as priceless as they are short-lived. Even if she'd been elected, I suspect the military might be more likely to put her under arrest than obey any such orders.

The R-selected--I think of them as "the rabbit people"--are emotionally incapable of coping with the world as it is right now without gobbling antidepressants just to get through the day. Now imagine a world in which death-squads will be sweeping college towns for commie troublemakers to win a free helicopter ride on Pinochet Air. The ghetto types may attempt organized resistance--think here "troop of baboons with Hi-Point pistols and the occasional sawn-off fowling piece or AK" level organization--but if the time comes that the kid gloves come off, they will not last long, and they will be very, very lucky if their final destination is Liberia and not lots and lots of woodchippers.

Blogger James Dixon December 15, 2016 10:35 PM  

> What's the demographic of his part of Pennsylvania, as white as Scalzi-Realm in Ohio?

He lives in Malvern, which is pretty close to Philadelphia. It's city-data page is at http://www.city-data.com/city/Malvern-Pennsylvania.html

Blogger James Dixon December 15, 2016 10:40 PM  

> The thing that confuses me at the moment is why there haven't been charges of sedition being handed out?

Obama is still President.

Anonymous Azimus December 15, 2016 10:49 PM  

André Sanchez December 15, 2016 7:59 PM
@113 I didn't ask what's wrong with Socialist/Communist rule, which is what Mexico and North Korea are examples of, I asked what's wrong with one-party rule. Take some time to think about the difference and then get back to me.


This was hilarious! I don't quite understand what the pretentiousness does for you, but when you combine it with the "your examples don't count because of some un-stated qualifier that only I know," it really works to win an argument. Well done.

Seriously, you look silly. Are you trying to argue that the PRI in Mexico and WPK of North Korea are disqualified as examples where one-party rule works for crap because of your personal classification system? You astonish me.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 15, 2016 10:59 PM  

tz wrote:@57 ESR is an ubergeek hacker, so doesn't usually have time to go in depth on society.
This cannot be repeated too much.  ALL of ESR's views are heavily tinted by the circles in which he runs.  I know him personally and know something of those circles.  He's blind to much of the major phenomena because his limits of attention don't allow him to absorb them.

Seriously, if you were consumed by re-writing GPS time daemons and the print subsystem of Linux, what else would YOU have time for?  Simply being human means serious limits.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 15, 2016 11:09 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:even people who don't think Republicans are "bad" assume that a dominant GOP without the Democrats to balance it would soon be clubbing baby seals for their oil and requiring women to wear dresses and have 20 babies each.
ESR and his lawyer-wife have no children.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 15, 2016 11:29 PM  

76. A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 15, 2016 2:57 PM
The butthurt is palpable.



you did heckle him, did you not?

we must do everything we can to immanentize the asschaton. after all, that's only Christian.



80. André Sanchez December 15, 2016 3:19 PM
In all seriousness, can someone explain to me exactly why one-party rule is a bad thing? What exactly is the advantage to society of giving legitimacy to groups that openly fight to undermine that society?



these two sentences compare unrelated concepts. it is possible to have two ( or more ) parties WITHOUT having one of those parties dedicated to the overthrow of the nation.

the problem with the first sentence is that single party polities tend to get over run with party hacks and parasites and there is no effectual way to displace them from their government teat if you don't have a real opposition.

and Republicans have proven prone to this, Dems certainly seem to be far more susceptible.



82. Cluebat Vanexodar December 15, 2016 3:22 PM
Seems Obama is getting plenty of support from the RINOs.



a - they ARE the real Repukelicans

b - they've been against Trump the entire election cycle. to be surprised that they're trying to kneecap Trump now indicates that you may need to apply your Cluebat

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 15, 2016 11:32 PM  

praetorian wrote:Autism.

He says he's not.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 15, 2016 11:37 PM  

He also posted his Rdos test scores in a followup comment. Given that he's also intelligent and intelligent people are better at self-description, I'd say he's clearly neurotypical.

Anonymous LastRedoubt December 16, 2016 12:44 AM  

32. @rufusdog December 15, 2016 1:41 PM
One of the things he misses is your average man doesn’t want some fake POS politician telling him what he thinks he wants to hear. ESR is telling them they need to get back to hiding who they really are. I don’t think that will work anymore, at least not in the short term and I don’t think the Dems can actually change.

ESR is no friend of the right.


Read the whole article. He's not telling them to hide who they are - though to some extent the "stop acting that way" could be considered as such. He's telling them that for them to succeed, they must reach a place where their current positions and behavior look nearly as crazy to them as they do to us.



37. @tz December 15, 2016 1:54 PM
A caller to Rush noted the "Survivor" effect. Put all the Right on one island and they will have a civilization going rather quickly. Put all the Left and they will starve, even if they have Manginas. Virtue signalling is no substitute for producing something.


There's a joke from my navy days, that if all the officers on a sub died, the boat would come back smelly adn dirty, but it would come back.

If the enlisted died - well, it wouldn't.



45. @Cloudswrest December 15, 2016 2:00 PM
> ESR writes one in the faint hope they will react reasonably and learn from their unexpected defeat.

Does he expect the scorpion to stop stinging the frog?



I think he hopes that some aren't actually scorpions, and can do something to corrall the rest.


62. @kfg December 15, 2016 2:25 PM
"Your country needs you."

ESR himself seems to have failed to learn. The letter reads as if he does not understand what the Democrats are, and rather persists in thinking of them as he thought they were.


To some extent, I agree, but to a different extent? He will immediately start mocking anyone who tries a kafkatrap, for example. And he knows that a) people like that, and like SJW's exist, and that they can only be dealt with rhetorically. He's also already proposed anti-"codes of conduct" COC's as I recall.


As to "smarter than Trump"

Look, I really love NN Taleb, forex, but that doesn't mean I think he's perfect. I strongly disagree with not only some of his positions, but based on teh very principles he has espoused.

Ditto Eric. He has his blind spots. One is that, even with having discovered "game" in the last few years, having aknowledged SJW's, having created the concept of the Kafkatrap, etc., he still hasn't realized that there are smart people who, as Vox Day has noted, have the _gift_ of effectively communicating at a more basic level without talking down. And the posturing, given my own background, I'd assume he sees as asshole jock preening because despite his own intelligence, he doesn't "get" it at a gut level.

Add to that his personal bugaboos re: christianity, etc.... I really don't think he'll change. Snidely put it best.... "What you must understand though is that he is not a Libertarian Free Trader Gun Nut Anti-Christian on the basis of information. These are not stances he was reasoned in to. They are his Identity. They are who he is."

But he's also come to conclusions that really, REALLY piss off liberals, ones that he didn't originally agree with. Not sure where he originally stood on blacks and crime rate, but - while I cannot find the post right now - did write once that he was no longer sure that feminism and women's rights as we know them, and as he values them, lead to the kind of civilization that he values surviving demographically.

Anonymous LastRedoubt December 16, 2016 12:45 AM  


108. Cataline Sergius
Here's the thing about that media bubble. It's self reinforcing because they will not engage with someone once they have "Disqualified" them.

"Disqualify." is a monument to their intellectual laziness. After you have disqualified someone you are free to avoid any and all engagement and can merely shun them.


I know at least one leftist who, you can feed them information printed in the NY times (buried in the back, etc.... as it doesn't help the narrative) and he'll STILL accuse you of sourcing stuff from "angry right-wing blogs" - and then proceed to ignore the argument.

Pointing out where the info came from shut him up after a couple disqualify attempts, so he no longer bothers me about it. Good for my peace of mind.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 16, 2016 12:55 AM  

Libtards and B-lister celebs suddenly discover Federalism and beg electors to Not Vote For Literally Hitler.

Well, ok, then maybe Pink has the right idea.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 16, 2016 1:25 AM  

The comments on ESR's essay tell me that libtards won't stop tarding.

I recently came across a conservative who recommended a book by a liberal UC Berzerkley sociology prof called Strangers in their Own Land. The prof spends five years with Tea Party Cajuns in Loosianna, and writes about their perspective. One quoted passage is a comment she includes from a local:

"If your motorboat leaks a little gas into the water, the warden’ll write you up. But if companies leak thousands of gallons of it and kill all the life here? The state lets them go. If you shoot an endangered brown pelican, they’ll put you in jail. But if a company kills the brown pelican by poisoning the fish he eats? They let it go. I think they overregulate the bottom because it’s harder to regulate the top.”

Almost any of us here on the right, alt-, light-, white-, hell, even the cuckservatives, we all understand that passage. Any more obvious and she'd be beating her readers over the head with a two-by-four (this was an area impacted by the BP spill).

The Amazon reviews are full of liberals saying, basically, "I was disappointed because I was hoping she would explain how people living in an environmental catastrophe could be opposed to the EPA."

Anyone who can read the fishing boat quote and still ask that question is simply too fucking stupid to reason with. The are indeed 'tards.

The woman herself, dried up old Berzerkeley hippie that she is, seems to get it (maybe she's an old enough leftie that she actually got a decent education and wasn't completely lobotomized). She doesn't agree with her Cajun Tea Party friends, but she was at least able to understand how they reached their conclusions.

Her readers? No hope. If it's called the Environmental Protection Agency, then it must be protecting the environment. Their brains can't comprehend something being mislabeled, at least not when one of their idols did the labeling.

Anonymous Discard December 16, 2016 5:13 AM  

My ideal two party state would have a left-wing party headed by Pat Buchanan.

Blogger André Sanchez December 16, 2016 9:45 AM  

Azimus wrote:André Sanchez December 15, 2016 7:59 PM

@113 I didn't ask what's wrong with Socialist/Communist rule, which is what Mexico and North Korea are examples of, I asked what's wrong with one-party rule. Take some time to think about the difference and then get back to me.


This was hilarious! I don't quite understand what the pretentiousness does for you, but when you combine it with the "your examples don't count because of some un-stated qualifier that only I know," it really works to win an argument. Well done.

Seriously, you look silly. Are you trying to argue that the PRI in Mexico and WPK of North Korea are disqualified as examples where one-party rule works for crap because of your personal classification system? You astonish me.


You have no idea how dumb you look, do you? I can give examples too. We can start with the portuguese Estado Novo. The fact of the matter is that you are cherry picking explicitly socialist one-party states, as if the socialism had nothing to do with why they suck. Grow up, will you?

Blogger André Sanchez December 16, 2016 10:10 AM  

bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } wrote:
these two sentences compare unrelated concepts. it is possible to have two ( or more ) parties WITHOUT having one of those parties dedicated to the overthrow of the nation.

the problem with the first sentence is that single party polities tend to get over run with party hacks and parasites and there is no effectual way to displace them from their government teat if you don't have a real opposition.

and Republicans have proven prone to this, Dems certainly seem to be far more susceptible.

82. Cluebat Vanexodar December 15, 2016 3:22 PM

Seems Obama is getting plenty of support from the RINOs.


a - they ARE the real Repukelicans

b - they've been against Trump the entire election cycle. to be surprised that they're trying to kneecap Trump now indicates that you may need to apply your Cluebat


I am not entirely sure it IS possible to have more than one party without one being explicitly or implicitly fighting for the destruction of the type of society that the other is explicitly or implicitly fighting to build.

Having two parties means compromises will attempt to be made, which means the party that is theoretically fighting FOR the nation will water itself down. Trump didn't run as third party. He went into the party that was the least bad and lead a revolution within it. Look, we can't avoid the fact that power both corrupts, and attracts the corrupt. But I really don't think you can seriously look at all these pretty multi-party states around the world and tell me with a straight face that they work any better than one-party states at curbing those human flaws. The point is, it is stupid to refrain from crushing your enemies just because you are afraid of your side getting too much power.

Blogger tz December 16, 2016 11:40 AM  

@143 Just recently an elderly Veteran goes to prison has a stroke and is put in solitary
While EPA poisons several rivers in several states and no one will ever go to prison

Blogger tz December 16, 2016 11:42 AM  

@135 Speaking of Time, he completely rewrote the NTP - network time protocol - system.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 16, 2016 12:07 PM  

@145, it's a good question. When I try to think of one-party states, all that comes to mind is states where the party is a fiction meant to hide the real tyranny. Communist and/or Arab states, mostly. There's a revolution or a coup, and then the new leadership sets up a party and holds mock elections which its party wins with 99.9% of the vote.

I'm having trouble thinking of a one-party state where there was only one significant party because the other party/parties died out for lack of support and the one remaining party did a good job so no new ones rose up to oppose it.

Regardless, one-party Republican rule would pit Trump's populists against the establishment cucks and neo-cons, so it could easily be more partisan than the previous situation with the globalists in both parties trading favors. But then one of those GOP factions might form a new party, and ESR and others could relax again at two-party rule.

Blogger technovelist December 18, 2016 9:30 PM  

ESR is quite intelligent, and not autistic. But he is also a legend in his own mind.

A couple of examples: he wrote a nasty blog post when he thought he was going to be fabulously wealthy due to his founder's stock in LNUX, telling (unnamed) people not to ask him for money. He should at least have waited until he cashed in his great riches... which he never did.

He also thinks he is an alpha male, which is laughable. Most normal women would run away screaming if he made a pass at them. Of course, there are geeky women who think he is the bee's knees, but that hardly qualifies him as an alpha male.

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