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Tuesday, December 06, 2016

Churchian theocrats

It's always easy to tell when a group of people have given themselves over to untruth. Their philosophy, their theology, and their politics all rapidly become observably incoherent. Evangelicals, and many of the evangelical organizations, are now following the example of other Christian denominations in walking the broad and easy path towards Hell, and they are doing so on the basis of their mealy-mouthed Sunday School Churchianity.
As the election retreats like a hurricane heading back out to sea, first responders are assessing the damage left in its wake. One casualty is the reputation of evangelicalism. Evangelicalism was closely associated with the campaign of Donald J. Trump, and more than 80 percent of white evangelicals voted for the president-elect. This, despite large numbers of African-American, Latino, Asian, young and female evangelicals who were fiercely opposed to the racism, sexism and xenophobia of Mr. Trump’s campaign and the hypocrisy of a candidate who built a casino empire while flouting morality.

As a result, much of the good that went by the name “evangelicalism” has been clouded over; now a new movement is needed to replace it.

When it comes to religious identity in America, the fastest-growing group is the “nones.” Nearly a quarter of all Americans, and over 35 percent of millennials, report no religious affiliation. Nones, many of whom grew up within evangelicalism, often still affirm faith in God. They left the church because they gave up on evangelical leadership. Nothing sums up their objections more clearly than evangelicals’ embrace of Mr. Trump. Didn’t Jesus say, “Blessed are the meek” and “Love your enemies”?

Throughout the campaign, there was dissent even within the ranks of evangelicalism’s most conservative institutions. While the old guard, like the Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, were ardent Trump supporters, the best-selling evangelical author Max Lucado and the Southern Baptist leader Russell Moore were both early critics. At Liberty University, the largest evangelical college in the country, thousands of students signed a petition denouncing the support of its president, Jerry Falwell Jr., for Mr. Trump and insisting that they were more interested in being Christian than in being Republican.

Andy Crouch, the executive editor of Christianity Today, criticized both candidates, writing that enthusiasm for Mr. Trump “gives our neighbors ample reason to doubt that we believe Jesus is Lord.” He added, “They see that some of us are so self-interested, and so self-protective, that we will ally ourselves with someone who violates all that is sacred to us.”

As white male evangelists, we have no problem admitting that the future does not lie with us. It lies with groups like the National Latino Evangelical Coalition, led by Gabriel Salguero, or the Moral Monday movement, led by William Barber II, who has challenged the news media on its narrow portrayal of evangelicals. For decades, we have worked within evangelicalism to lift up the voices of these “other evangelicals.”

But we cannot continue to allow sisters and brothers who are leading God’s movement to be considered “other.” We are not confident that evangelicalism is a community in which younger, nonwhite voices can flourish. And we are not willing to let our faith be the collateral damage of evangelicalism.

We want to be clear: We are not suggesting a new kind of Christianity that simply backs the Democratic Party. Jesus is neither a Democrat nor a Republican — even if, as William Sloane Coffin Jr. once said, his heart leans left. Many faithful Christians did not vote for Hillary Clinton because of their commitment to a consistent pro-life agenda. True faith can never pledge allegiance to anything less than Jesus.

But Jesus-centered faith needs a new name. Christians have retired outdated labels before. During the late 19th century, when scientific rationalism fueled the questioning of Scripture, “fundamentalism” arose as an intelligent defense of Christianity. By the 1930s, however, fundamentalism was seen as anti-intellectual and judgmental. It was then that the term “evangelicalism” was put forward by Christianity Today’s first editor, Carl F. H. Henry, as a new banner under which a broad coalition of Jesus followers could unite.

But beginning with the culture wars of the 1980s, the religious right made a concerted effort to align evangelicalism with the Republican Party. By the mid-’90s, the word had lost its positive connotations with many Americans. They came to see Christians — and evangelicals in particular — as anti-women, anti-gay, anti-environment and anti-immigrant and as the champions of guns and war.

Mr. Trump did not create these contradictions, but his victory has pulled the roof off the building we once called home. It’s time to build a new home.
The amusing thing about their philosophical ineptitude is that they don't realize they are making an overt case for Christian theocracy, the reality of which would of course horrify them because they have absolutely no intention of abiding by anything genuinely Christian at all; this is nothing more than shallow pandering to the worldly zeitgeist using a few inappropriately applied Bible verses as justification.

Moreover, it demonstrates that at least when it comes to Churchianity, race trumps religion in the hierarchy of identity politics. As usual, the Alt-Right perspective is the only one that makes any sense of this incoherent and degraded evangelicism.

Here is a useful metric for Christians: if the New York Times Carlos Slim's blog is affording you space for your views and generally striking a positive tone about them, you are absolutely wrong and whatever you are pushing is antithetical to genuine Christianity. No one - no one - is ever going to be inspired to follow Jesus Christ as a result of your pandering to the approval of the global elite. It is literally anti-evangelist evangelicism and its new home is godless churchianism.

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110 Comments:

Blogger kh123 December 06, 2016 5:02 AM  

"But Jesus-centered faith needs a new name."

At the risk of stating the obvious...

That is why you're losing, peasants.

Of all people who believe that words have power - and indeed that the ultimate power is The Word - they're pretty damned ready to give ground to whomsoever redefines the terms.

Winning.

Anonymous CloseHauled December 06, 2016 5:03 AM  

Here is a useful metric for Christians: if the New York Times is affording you space for your views and generally striking a positive tone about them, you are absolutely wrong and whatever you are pushing is antithetical to genuine Christianity.

They know their own.


Joel Osteen comes to mind.

Blogger weka December 06, 2016 5:09 AM  

Tony Campolo has been a "Evangelical Left" (or Evangelical in Name Only) for at least 20 years, preaching social democracy and Leftist talking points with a bit of his own personal Jesus.

He does not understand that this is a time to Make Evangelicals Great Again, primarily by divorcing them from the elite, ceasing to virtue signal, and again preaching repentence and the Cross.

Anonymous Barko Ramius December 06, 2016 5:09 AM  

Doesn't help that we have a fkijng naked commie pope.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 06, 2016 5:20 AM  

The evangelicalism of the anti-christian, lying, degenerate piece of filth that wrote that article is dead.

Blogger Front toward enemy December 06, 2016 5:23 AM  

So what is this "New York Times" of which you speak?

Blogger Sherwood family December 06, 2016 5:29 AM  

One of the methods of trying to subvert those who follow Christ is to try to take individual statements and acts of Jesus and use them obscure the other things He said and did. The Left likes to trot out the "Gentle Jesus" and use Him as a cudgel to beat those that follow Him.

"Jesus said love one another dude...you don't agree with me so you must not love me and that makes you against Jesus."

Another favorite is to cite what Jesus never said as though this were evidence that He would be fine with it. I.e. "Jesus never said that being gay was bad. That was that homophobic Paul dude."

Etc.

The problem with these things is that people use these caricatures of Christ and it starts to seep into the collective consciousness and then even Christians start to think this way and that makes them prey to the facile arguments up and coming preachers, pastors, and other ecclesiastical leaders make.

The easiest way to avoid this nonsense is simply to read the Bible directly and see that, hey wait a minute, Jesus was actually pretty hard core when it came to putting people in their place and virtue signalling Pharisees i.e. those who had the outward form of piety but excused all kinds of evil through clever arguments and twisting of the plainly written law, where among those Jesus was most harsh in His judgments against.

Blogger dadofhomeschoolers December 06, 2016 5:29 AM  

It's where Carlos Slim publishes his blog, remember?

Blogger JACIII December 06, 2016 5:31 AM  

Nothing more than a seminal effort of the left to separate the faithful from their faith. Do not believe your God given eyes, whispers the snake. These scum don't want you to bear the mark of the beast - they want you to bear his lies.

How dare Christians vote against those we know to be thieves, murders of children, and enablers of perverse predators!

Blogger Phillip George December 06, 2016 5:51 AM  

Just teach the truth. Resurrection leads to creationism and the science of everything.

Here is a multigenerational multimillion dollars perfectly practical example Gustav Whitehead was the first man to accomplish powered heavier than air flight.

See. Forensic science and jurisprudence and the history of everything, absolutely everything is rocket science. Kurt Godel, Carl Popper and Frederic Fitch. We win. We totally win. Someone gets it.

Blogger Phillip George December 06, 2016 5:55 AM  

Revelation says Jesus will be known as all in all. Politics is a subset of "all". Secularism is perhaps the devils best work. He was good at something.

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid December 06, 2016 5:56 AM  

And church leaders wonder why attendance is dropping. Hey, I know--maybe if they virtue signal even *harder*, people will come back! Pro tip: if you feel farther from Christ after the service than when you went in, it's not you that's the problem.

Blogger SteelPalm December 06, 2016 5:58 AM  

I can't help marveling at how proud they are of helping Hispanic and black Evangelists become more prominent and powerful than themselves, and how they celebrate their own future destruction.

If that doesn't define the term "suicidal cuck", I don't know what does. Well, okay, I guess the recent story in Germany...

Anonymous Aphelion December 06, 2016 6:11 AM  

I attend a biblically conservative, pro-life, no women elders/pastors, no gay marriage church. Despite this, one of those mission board types said something against Trump while teaching a Sunday School class in summer 2015. First time I ever told off a Sunday School teacher. Let him know he could take his politics out of the church. One older man verbally supported me. The rest of the class was pretty quiet. Hasn't happened again.

Anonymous the management December 06, 2016 6:14 AM  

SteelPalm wrote:I can't help marveling at how proud they are of helping Hispanic and black Evangelists become more prominent and powerful than themselves, and how they celebrate their own future destruction.

If that doesn't define the term "suicidal cuck", I don't know what does. Well, okay, I guess the recent story in Germany...


It looks like the 'victors' in WWII were being played. Kind of like Judas. Now what did he do to himself again?

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen December 06, 2016 6:16 AM  

Churchians are worse than New Atheists. Salt that has lost its saltiness, fit only for the eternally burning landfill shitheap, where the worm dieth not.

Blogger synp December 06, 2016 6:33 AM  

Here is a useful metric for Christians: if the New York Times is affording you space for your views and generally striking a positive tone about them, you are absolutely wrong and whatever you are pushing is antithetical to genuine Christianity.
Now, now. If CNN, the home or right-think can publish an opinion piece labeling Trump's phone call and tweets about China "brilliant", surely the NYT can be salvaged as well.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/05/asia/trump-taiwan-shaun-rein/index.html

They came to see Christians — and evangelicals in particular — as anti-women, anti-gay, anti-environment and anti-immigrant and as the champions of guns and war.
That's not because of bad marketing by evangelicals. That's not because some evangelicals voted Republican. It's because evangelicals have been overwhelmingly champions of war.

Mr. Trump did not create these contradictions, but his victory has pulled the roof off the building we once called home. It’s time to build a new home.
Some people fix their roofs. Others keep building new homes, same as the old homes, and expect the new ones to keep their roofs better than the old ones.

Anonymous trev006 December 06, 2016 6:35 AM  

Trying to retire a name that belongs to a powerful bloc you don't even identify with is hilariously inept. Which would describe a certain flavor of "crunchy" Churchianity.

Yes, 60+% of Protestants went for Trump, but evangelicals make up half of that group with 80% support. So that leaves all other Protestants with 40% Trump. Assuming Christian ethnic minorities are half of that and they voted Clinton 68, Trump 32, white religious non-evangelicals would be voting for Trump at levels under a majority.

That the new Inquisition needs to focus on Jews even more than Hispanic Catholics goes without saying, of course.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly December 06, 2016 6:41 AM  

Yep. Had this argument plenty with folks, had to keep reminding them they are not voting for the pope. Wail and moan that "He isn't a upright Christian leader", then really get shocked and horrified when you agree and amplify with the tenets of (trigger warning to our Southern friends, no harm meant) Christian Reconstructionism.

Anonymous Viidad December 06, 2016 6:41 AM  

"Mr. Trump did not create these contradictions, but his victory has pulled the roof off the building we once called home. It’s time to build a new home."

Reading this gave me an image of roaches crawling from the light. Keep pulling roofs off. Please.

Blogger Stilicho December 06, 2016 6:42 AM  

I have never considered myself an evangelical. The label has always had an odor of sulphur about it in addition to drums and disco lights in its services. Fundamentalist has always worked as a descriptive label for me when one was needed. Evangelical has been used recently as a term and idea to try to help create a churchian alternative to fundamentalist Christians. This story is more of the same from the home of "All the news that's fit to fake".

Anonymous Steve December 06, 2016 6:50 AM  

As white male evangelists, we have no problem admitting that the future does not lie with us.

I'm not a Bible scholar or nuthin, but can't remember the Good Book saying Honour thy wife's son.

Bring back the Inquisition.

Blogger Chris Lutz December 06, 2016 6:50 AM  

"You know me. I am not afraid you’re going to hell because the God I believe in doesn’t send people to hell for eternity for having the wrong theology,” Tony responded," when his son said he was agnostic. Yep, "true" Evangelical there.

OpenID anonymos-coward December 06, 2016 6:52 AM  

As a result, much of the good that went by the name “evangelicalism” has been clouded over; now a new movement is needed to replace it.

Why do they need a 'new movement'? What's wrong with good old satanism?

Anonymous Teapartydoc December 06, 2016 7:02 AM  

I read the post without going to the link first, but no surprise that it was written by Campolo.
Reading it without going to the link was enlightening. It reads the same way a Jew talks about things "we white people" do or should do, etc., etc. When I read it I thought that it was either written by a cryptoJew or deeply pozzed christian (purposeful lack of cap). Finding out that it was written by Campolo was then deeply satisfying. I first ran into him at a North American Christian Convention at least thirty or forty years ago. His schtick has always been about denouncing his fellow Christians for supposed hypocrisies and for not following liberal dictates that have nothing to do with their religion. Note how he refers to evangelicalism as if it is a religion. He knows that it isn't, but uses the term as a form of political rhetoric. What he hopes to evoke is an emotional response. If he discussed the topic at hand in terms of Christianity itself, the response would be one of reasoned evaluation. How does this fit in with teaching, dogma, scripture? He cannot appeal to Scripture. If he does, he leaves himself open to a rational argument with a basis in truth. No. His appeal is to raw emotion. He is one of the most evil people in the world. Right up there with Soros.

Anonymous Broken Arrow December 06, 2016 7:11 AM  

The Churchians wanted to nobly lose and they have been denied their martyrdom so they are very bitter.

Blogger Jeff Wood December 06, 2016 7:16 AM  

A footnote to SJWAL. The woman who ruined Tim Hunt has been bounced.

British Steve has already performed a little dance on her grave:

http://www.timworstall.com/2016/12/06/there-is-hope-yet/#comments

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 06, 2016 7:18 AM  

As if these illiterate savages have ever built anything ...

Anonymous M.W. Peak December 06, 2016 7:19 AM  

And in the 19th century, Christianity began to abandon its claims to know truth and reality and instead made being compassionate unto death its mission.

Blogger 4thPointOfContact December 06, 2016 7:20 AM  

What's worse is that Campolo tells Christians that they should deny Christ and pray the Shahada if they are threatened with martyrdom by a Muslim:

https://youtu.be/MU7VE2rh7Yw

Blogger Timmy3 December 06, 2016 7:30 AM  

"more than 80 percent of white evangelicals voted for the president-elect"

Will the church reject its own leadership and constituents? That's what the article proports to suggest when the reality is the alt-right is inherently in the church with the exception of the coastal regions. I live in California and my pastor was indifferent to Trump's election and he didn't defend him. He was passive aggressively negative. So there will be a split at least in this election cycle and this is just a start as Obama leaves the stage who didn't do anything with Christians except to increase the Muslim population and encourage more atheism and non-religious. Trump can very well help Conservative (Traditional) Christians with a pro-life, pro-Christian platform. This change in air is much overdue.

Blogger Horn of the Mark December 06, 2016 7:40 AM  

I know history better than I know my bible, and I can tell you that God's made good use of some very flawed men while some saintly rulers have been politically useless or worse. Edward the Confessor and Henry VI come to mind.

It's amazing to see what the right has learned this election. The Alt Right learned how to effectively fight the left while the old right and Churchians learned how to preen and virtue signal like them.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 06, 2016 7:42 AM  

The identity politics assumes white supremacy, imagine how many people would be unemployed thru out the egalitarian industry if white supremacy was just left to the few internet cranks that think time could be turned back to pre-1914.

Blogger GracieLou December 06, 2016 7:52 AM  

"The God I believe in..." You hear that a lot from the lukewarm religious. Like everyone has their own personal Jesus and he is what the individual says he is, like a puppet.
"Well I believe..." like that means anything, like that trumps reality.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 06, 2016 7:53 AM  

It appears these Christians have not read John 15:18-25. Hey guys, if the world heartily approves of what you're saying, maybe it isn't Christ's teaching.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 06, 2016 7:57 AM  

WAG, if you think these prissy fellows are useless for white men now, the next year will be astonishing, maybe not Promisekeeper self destruction fast but still fast into obscurity.

So the DNC is boosting a black muslim into its leadership and none of these cucks will say boo to a man who peddles the race fiction of Yakub the mad scientist who bred a race of "white devils" on the island of Patmos.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 06, 2016 8:02 AM  

Easy:
"I did not come to bring peace, but a sword"
Christian figh for what is right, not cry "rape".
IMHO if "80 percent of white evangelicals voted for the president-elect"
that means only 20% of Evangelicans are polluted. A Very good record.

My Church, the Catholics, fights against a monkey-in-white AKA pope Francesco. We do not do nearly that good as Evangelcans. :-(

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 06, 2016 8:08 AM  

@31 The Rev 3.0 has suggested that there may be a significant split approaching between the current laity and the leadership over this very issue. It will be interesting to see if he's right.

Blogger Fifty Seven December 06, 2016 8:16 AM  

"As white male evangelists, we have no problem admitting that the future does not lie with us."

Why should anyone listen to you, given that you've just preemptively given up?

Blogger Lazarus December 06, 2016 8:17 AM  

Any thing with the suffix "ism" has to reject reality in order to exist.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable December 06, 2016 8:22 AM  

"As white male evangelists, we have no problem admitting that the future does not lie with us."

Why should anyone have an opinion about who makes better or more effective evangelists? The future lies with those who obey the commands of Christ. Race is not an issue. It's not a freakin' competition.

Honestly, this whole idea of empire building, parachurch organizations and "movements" is a load of anti-biblical nonsense.

Blogger SouthRon December 06, 2016 8:26 AM  

In the linked article, Tony "ya don't have to believe in Jesus" Campolo proposes replacing Evangelical with Red Letter Christians. How appropriate. I couldn't help but read that as Scarlet Letter, labeling themselves as adulterous children, if ever they were children at all.

An interesting aside about The Scarlet Letter. It and Chariots of Fire were both produced by Dody Fayed, Princess Diana's mohammedan lover. In Chariots the Prince of Wales tries to convince Eric to run on Sunday. In The Scarlet Letter they used that prince's family Bible on screen. It had been borrowed from a British Bible Believing pastor and collector of old Bibles by the name of David (I forget his last name.)

Later Demi Moore or Bruce approached him about buying it to put on display in Planet Hollywood. David basically told them it was not fit to cast The Lord's pearls before swine.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir December 06, 2016 8:26 AM  

"...now a new movement is needed to replace it."
How about the Church which Christ founded and reigned as sole repository of the Christian faith for the 1500 years prior to Luther's revolt? And I'm NOT referring to the current abomination residing in the Vatican. Sixteenth century Protestantism was the beginning of institutionalized liberalism (liberalism in the modern sense).

Anonymous johnc December 06, 2016 8:28 AM  

Never heard of this guy.

Blogger Orville December 06, 2016 8:33 AM  

"But Jesus-centered faith needs a new name." That. I can't tell you how many churches I've seen in town who have rebranded away from using nasty words like "church" or "baptist" in their name.

Slightly OT, a big AG church in town is advertising their "Tribulation Christmas" I found the TV commercial here https://vimeo.com/7344320 It's got zombies! sigh.

Anonymous LLC December 06, 2016 8:38 AM  

Collectively, my church feels like we've dodged a bullet with this election. Of course, our pastor is a man who raised some eyebrows when he penned a column for the local newspaper recently about how charity shouldn't be given blindly, but with consideration for exactly what we're supporting. (The background was a couple who had called our church asking for money because they were in a tight spot; when the pastor told them that yes, our church donates to the needy, and he'd give them some money out of the discretionary fund after they'd come and helped him with some basic maintenance on the church building and they responded by freaking out on him and then hanging up.)

Spent last weekend hunting with my father - politically, this is the most optimistic I've seen him in /years/, maybe ever. He's a solid Christian man who's worked hard all his life and has little use for virtue-signalling or language policing.

No one here thinks Trump is a saint, nor thinks he's led a sin-free life. That's not the point.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 06, 2016 8:42 AM  

I didn't get past "the racism, sexism and xenophobia of Mr. Trump’s campaign." I just hope all the haters on the left, whatever part of the left they represent, keep using this kind of hysterical, eye-roll-causing gas-lighting. They're already preaching to the choir, and every time they lie like this, their choir gets a little smaller.

Anonymous WeeklyStormer December 06, 2016 8:56 AM  

That the (((churchians))) are so full of hate toward President Trump, a social moderate, is just another clue to (((who))) are their real masters.

PS: We need to destroy the (((churchian))) media such as "Christianity Today" next...

Anonymous Elipe December 06, 2016 8:58 AM  

Why does any name other than "Christian" matter for self-labeling as a Christian?

If you have to pick a name without "Christ" in it to sound cool... I don't think you quite understand what you're doing.

Anonymous WeeklyStormer December 06, 2016 8:59 AM  

Tony Campolo has been a "Evangelical Left" (or Evangelical in Name Only) for at least 20 years, preaching social democracy and Leftist talking points with a bit of his own personal Jesus.

In short, Tom Compolo is a Jew.

Blogger KSC December 06, 2016 9:08 AM  

I'm not quite sure why what he's saying implies a theocracy.

Anonymous Mark Call December 06, 2016 9:23 AM  

For centuries 'churchian evangelists' have been taught the anti-Scriptural BS that "the law has been done away with," and "nailed to the cross."

It's a lie. (See Matthew 5:17-19)

Witness the fruit.

Blogger tz December 06, 2016 9:25 AM  

Actually there is a name for their kind of faith:
Apostasy.

I expect PP to be defunded, Roe to be overturned, and Olbgerfelt weakened (the IRS doesn't recognize gay marriages). And if another Terri Schiavo happens, an Elian Gonzales like rescue action. Christian wins.

By polarizing, the left weakens itself, and the cuckians jump on that boat to hell.

Anonymous Avalanche December 06, 2016 9:26 AM  

Dear God in Heaven (literally!!), was this article written by a (((JEW)))? Telling 'alleged Christians' to keep surrendering and preferring immigrants to their OWN PEOPLE?!?! The "world belongs to meek" is propaganda for: "do not fight for your own children, do not fight for your own tribe: do what WE tell you to do!"

HOW can people fall for this?!

Anonymous Kris December 06, 2016 9:30 AM  

The evangelical Left sops up to the Oldline denominationists for the same reason Campolo sops up to the political left – social insecurity. This insecurity explains why a subset of evangelicals punch to the right, at fundamentalists and Trump supporters, but not to the left, at Oldline denominationalists and insiderish political Leftists. These status-striving, socially insecure churchians – God, I love that word! – look anxiously at what they imagine to be the better jobs, McMansions, club memberships, successful husbands and beautiful wives of their virtue-signaling Episcopalian and Presbyterian “betters.” The Wheaton College crowd as well as those associated with Christianity Today published a few miles from it, are part of this weak, striving cohort.

Campolo is an case in point. As a prof at the low-status, yucky-Baptist Eastern College in the Philadelphia mainline area, surrounded by esteemed institutions of learning such as Bryn Mawr and Haverford around the corner, he pathetically spent his time grasping for the social kudos that were never to be his. He pandered to Clinton. He pandered to corrupted feeding charities, anti-war demonstrators, etc. He spent his life posing as a man a bit “wiser” than those rubes whose kids he taught. His is the worst kind of hypocrisy, the self-hating kind.

Another man who was fatally inflicted with the socially-insecure disease is Mark Noll, who used to be in the Wheaton/Christianity Today nexus, but decided that the black robes of the Roman Catholic church gave him maximum separation from those funda/evangelical people from which he came. He actually wrote a book denouncing his former affiliation with evangelicals and touting his new-fangled, uppity intellectualism called, “The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind.” Read it and weep. In it, he reveals himself as the worst kind of virtue-signaler as well as a “concern troll” poseur.

Anonymous Mike December 06, 2016 9:31 AM  

Ummm, Jesus was a Jew.

If American "Christians" were more like Jews, we'd have a more diverse, better world --- free from homophobia, sexism, racism and other bigotry (just like how Jesus preached!)

White supremacy has no place in the church.

OpenID boardroomal December 06, 2016 9:34 AM  

I am convinced the West will not have a chance until the Alt-Right and other sympathetic forces do something about "Churchian Cucks". Anybody who follows a majority of the "Christian Leaders" in the west today will note a deeply anesthetized blue pill coma ward. They likely represent the worst of the bunch in society. The fact that they are so culled, to me is evidence of a real presence of a supernatural evil at work. If politics is truly downwind from culture than you may have a good idea why we are where we are today.

I don't know what the strategy is to turn things around in the Christian west. I don't know if we can meme these idiots out of power, this is religion we are talking about, but we need to do something. Going to church nowadays is like attending a festival of effeminate, feminist & feminine SJW freakshows and the Churchs that "Claim Orthodoxy" are so brow beaten, so trampled on, they are either weird socially retarded bunker dwellers waiting for the end, or angry rad trads aspies who would punch you in the face for getting a "Thee or Thou" wrong. All the orthodox types are lead by Neocucks who desperately want to break bread with the heretics. Its pathetic...its deeply full cuck..and we are not going to make things better unless we address it.

Its one of those things that I wish we could come up with some strong ideas and then action I.E Infogalactic, etc....We need bigly spiritual renewal in the West too if we are going to win.

P.S. Odin worshipers & Nietzschean closet faggots...this is not a call to do away with Christianity...if you want to practice Lycanthropy in mountains on weekends go ahead. The great thing about Christianity is "Free Will" but I would find common cause with us...otherwise you & Odin will be paying the Dhimmi tax.

Anonymous Avalanche December 06, 2016 9:35 AM  

@25 "It reads the same way a Jew talks about things "we white people" do or should do, etc., etc."

This! Yes, this!

Blogger pyrrhus December 06, 2016 9:50 AM  

Frankly, I think the authors are simply scam artists preying (but not praying) on simple minded cuckians......

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 06, 2016 9:50 AM  

@56 Ever read Matthew 15:21-28? I don't think the Jesus you imagine would ever talk that way, but I can account for it perfectly well.

Blogger VD December 06, 2016 10:00 AM  

Ummm, Jesus was a Jew.

And today's Jews are Italians.

If American "Christians" were more like Jews, we'd have a more diverse, better world --- free from homophobia, sexism, racism and other bigotry

And free from Palestinians and Africans. We'd have a nice wall too!

White supremacy has no place in the church.

White supremacy belongs in the church every bit as much as racial and religious equalitarianism, socialism, and globalism.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 06, 2016 10:05 AM  

@53. Nah, it's not apostasy. It's not even heresy.

The word heresy actually, at its root means to "take or choose", implying taking one part of the scriptures and not other parts. As such, communism could be legitimately labeled a heresy, as could islam.

This though? This doesn't even take ANYTHING Biblical. This is entirely anti-christian moronic spew.

Anonymous Beau December 06, 2016 10:06 AM  

Amen. Our business is the salvation of sinners from the fires of hell, not bake sales. Our business is making disciples, not craven witless chaff. Our mission statement is the Great Commission. Period.

Lord Jesus, revive us again in the midst of the years. Awaken us anew to do your will on earth. Make us bold to proclaim the gospel, renounce sin, and repent. You are the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except by you.

Blogger GracieLou December 06, 2016 10:12 AM  

I can't even tell if @56 is a parody. "Da troot, da troot...I don't know even know what da troot is anymore." (Sophie's Choice).

The left, beclowned and boring have reduced themselves to shuffling zombies capable only of grunting, "Raaccciiisssst, homomomomphooobbe..." as they try to devour what they lack--brains. Easily defeated, but dangerous in a herd.

Blogger Sam Lively December 06, 2016 10:25 AM  

I think patriarchy is more relevant than race in this scenario. That's what divides the Evangelicals on Trump. Dobson and Falwell, Jr. love the patriarchy. Lucado and Moore seem to hate it.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 06, 2016 10:27 AM  

@54. "Meek" plays on a common misunderstanding of the work meek. People think it's synonymous or otherwise encompassing of the word "weak".

It isn't.

@56. Are you for real? What do you think exactly happened with the word largely failing to move Jews to Christianity, where it worked with the Gentiles? From one rather salient perspective, this actually puts Jews in a worse light than pretty much EVERYONE else.

On top of that, the Bible is almost silent on your pet peeves of "homophobia (read: rational dislike of homosexuality)", "sexism (read: logical understanding that the sexes are different in many important ways)" or "racism", which is (as well as being religiously intolerant, by your OWN weaselly definitions)exactly what you're doing versus white Christians, saying that they'd be better if they were more like Jews.

And when I say "almost" silent I mean that the Bible teaches "sexism" outright, explicitly condemns homosexuality and other forms of sexual perversion, and says such blatantly "racist" things as God having a Prophet of Israel name his (not) daughter "Not pitied" and his (not) son "Not my people". In a blazingly condemnatory display analogous to Israel's integration of other cultures and peoples.

Who the f*** said anything about white supremacy, you disingenuous d***? I live in MY house, which I OWN, and the people of the USA live in the USA, which they OWN. It's our nation, and we reserve both the right and the DUTY to filter, or outright prohibit others entry to it, as well as the DUTY to EJECT ALL persons having entered illegally, and ALL traitors.

And those are the KIND things for us to do, you don't want me to go into the things we have the purview to do should we so wish, as they include insurrection against corrupt "authorities", civil war against permitted invaders, executions, and many, many other things you'd like even less.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 06, 2016 10:31 AM  

@61 White supremacy belongs in the church every bit as much as racial and religious equalitarianism, socialism, and globalism.

Now Vox, I don't often directly contradict you, but I disagree here. The Bible simply does not condemn white supremacy in nearly as clear and obvious terms as it does globalism. Globalism is damned from the very first book of the Bible. You cannot find anything at all about white supremacy. Indeed, the closest is that within the Church Jews and gentiles, and speakers of Greek and non are in equal standing before God.

Nope. I don't subscribe to white supremacy, but it clearly is much more compatible with biblical Christianity than globalism.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 06, 2016 10:33 AM  

Tony Campolo is an old white man himself, so maybe he's onto something here. I did not recall the name but it bothered me. He was one of the "spiritual advisors" to Monica Lewinsky's boyfriend back in the 1990's. He has some kind of cable TV show about the Red Letter Christian movement, along with notorious lefty Jim Wallis who is still a "spiritual advisor" to 0bama.

Shane Claibourne is a GenX leftard who is another Red Letter Christian.

Carlos Slim's blog needed a tame churchian to come out once again and pretty much say that who is and who is not Christian, and of course Tony has always been ready to be the "house churchian".

These are the guys who are always finding a "third way" on any issue that just happens to look like the Leftard position but with a different paint job and some cute stickers. They've made a career out of it, the leftards can always rely on them to rebuke Christians for not getting in line fast enough.

These guys are reliable stooges who will denounce Christians any time some bunch of leftards want. Perfect for Carlos Slim's blog.

Blogger Austin Ballast December 06, 2016 10:38 AM  

Beau,

I heard a preacher recently noting that the Church never appeals to the world for money in the NT. Too many have deviated from that today.

===

I believe Tony Campolo has been around for closer to 40 years than 20. Same idiocy, just a longer time.

Note that the "only" reason to oppose HRC was her pro-abortion views, not her other evil actions. Ignore the evil she did because Trump said and did bad things in the past.

===

We had a mini discussion in a men's Bible study I am attending around the election and several people were clearly clued in. Even our pastor had a veiled support for Trump when talking about the election (he was preaching principles, not specific candidates, though only one candidate met the needs).

I think we still have quite a ways to go to change minds, but some are quite open for the coming changes.

====

David Jeremiah had a show just before the election where he basically pandered to the Hispanics and others that had helped him in Colorado since they didn't like Trump. He completely missed the core issues. (He had met with Trump, with other Christian leaders and got pushback from his "allies" on that.)

Anonymous digger December 06, 2016 10:46 AM  

Virtue signalling comes naturally to Churchians because it is the essence of their religion. The whole edifice is designed to make themselves FEEL better about themselves by signalling 'salvation'.

The primary motivation is an internal signally to themselves but it is also outward as well lest anyone else cause them to doubt their salvation. This is why they cultivate the approval of the world and why their holiness careens towards the lowest common denominator. Which, given their desire to be approved of by the world means they eventually call good evil and evil good; lest they be made to feel bad.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair December 06, 2016 10:46 AM  

"But Jesus-centered faith needs a new name."

No, it doesn't. It's called Roman Catholicism.

"Here is a useful metric for Christians: if the New York Times Carlos Slim's blog is affording you space for your views and generally striking a positive tone about them, you are absolutely wrong and whatever you are pushing is antithetical to genuine Christianity."

Bingo.

Re: the churchian theocrats making the case for Christian theocracy, one constant that is most likely true regardless of denomination (Catholic,, Baptist, Methodist, etc.) is we were all sold a watered down version. Case in point: gf is going through RCIA. I'm learning things from her that I should've learned in grade school (went to a parochial grade school) or high school (private, Catholic high school). The churchian and Marxist rot and infiltration will take some time to remove. God only knows how many souls have been lost to Hell because of it.

Pre Vatican II faith was much stronger; if there's any good from Francis as Pope it's that we've been forced to a) learn the faith as never before in order to explain what it really means and b) just like with the election, we're finding out who is on our side and who is not.

I'm not sure if any of the Protestants on the blog can point to similar situations in their denominations a la a Vatican II or Francis moment. If so, please fire away.

"And church leaders wonder why attendance is dropping. Hey, I know--maybe if they virtue signal even *harder*, people will come back! Pro tip: if you feel farther from Christ after the service than when you went in, it's not you that's the problem."

@12 A few weeks ago, the pastor of my parish co-celebrated the Latin Mass there (which I believe was the first time since Vatican II it had been said in my parish). The result was stunning: the pews were nearly full and there was a not insignificant attendance of under-30 yos (the gf and me included). The pastor made a point in the following bulleting next Sunday to point all this out and mock those who said that younger generations are not interested in tradition, etc.

"I can't help marveling at how proud they are of helping Hispanic and black Evangelists become more prominent and powerful than themselves, and how they celebrate their own future destruction.

If that doesn't define the term "suicidal cuck", I don't know what does."

@13 They can't fathom said minority Evangelists may have differing views on how to best execute the goals of Evangelical Christianity (or that they may have different goals all together). It's like the Muslims in Spain who held onto their faith post "conversion" to Chrstianity. Sure, they profess to be Christian but in reality...

"I attend a biblically conservative, pro-life, no women elders/pastors, no gay marriage church. Despite this, one of those mission board types said something against Trump while teaching a Sunday School class in summer 2015. First time I ever told off a Sunday School teacher. Let him know he could take his politics out of the church. One older man verbally supported me. The rest of the class was pretty quiet. Hasn't happened again."

@14 Good. The rest of the class may have supported you, or at worst felt it was not the place for politics.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair December 06, 2016 10:47 AM  

"Churchians are worse than New Atheists."

@16 They're like the traitors within the gates that Kipling warned about.

"A footnote to SJWAL. The woman who ruined Tim Hunt has been bounced."

@27 Happy endings are always the best. Kinda makes me feel like riverdancing.

"What's worse is that Campolo tells Christians that they should deny Christ and pray the Shahada if they are threatened with martyrdom by a Muslim"

@30 He is right that Allah means God (it was used to refer to God (i.e. Christian God) before it was corrupted by Muslims). Having said that, you'd rather deny God than die a martyr? He then goes on to say, jokingly, he can backtrack and the sooner they shoot you, the better. He has no will to self-preserve. Yeah, that'll end well. What about shooting back? That ever occur to him?

"I know history better than I know my bible, and I can tell you that God's made good use of some very flawed men while some saintly rulers have been politically useless or worse. Edward the Confessor and Henry VI come to mind."

@32 Even then, people should remember that all are flawed and fall short of God's glory. Nobody's perfect, except Christ because while on the Earth He was God incarnate.

"If American "Christians" were more like Jews, we'd have a more diverse, better world --- free from homophobia, sexism, racism and other bigotry (just like how Jesus preached!)"

@56 Why don't you fear homosexuals who act upon their disordered tendencies? They corrupt themselves, kids (if they engage in that horrible perversion). Just askin'.

"And free from Palestinians and Africans. We'd have a nice wall too!"

@61 Mexico wouldn't pay for it though :-( What about Morocco and Tunisia? Libya's too jacked up to contribute to the wall fund.

Blogger synp December 06, 2016 10:48 AM  

Mark Call wrote:For centuries 'churchian evangelists' have been taught the anti-Scriptural BS that "the law has been done away with," and "nailed to the cross."

It's a lie. (See Matthew 5:17-19)

Witness the fruit.


Jesus was a Jew, and here he is talking to Jews. Jesus was not exempt from the laws, and neither are modern Jews. Christianity is not the religion of Jesus, because Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Christianity is the religion of Paul.

You are, of course, allowed to be a skeptic. You can doubt that Jesus told Paul that the laws no longer apply. You can doubt that God ever gave the laws to the Jews. But either way, Christianity is not based on Jesus' message to the Jews from before his Crucifixion. It does not apply to Gentiles.

Blogger Orville December 06, 2016 10:53 AM  

@56 When people like you start a sentence with "Uhmm [insert stupid comment here]" or "Ehrrr [insert vapid feelz here]" I stop listening.

Speak like a man dammit!

Anonymous Smile Of The Shadow December 06, 2016 10:57 AM  

Read this aloud to my wife this morning and we laughed. As if we could ever believe that anything in the NYTimes could even potentially have the legitimate interests of the Bride of Christ in mind.

Anonymous Beau December 06, 2016 11:00 AM  

I heard a preacher recently noting that the Church never appeals to the world for money in the NT. Too many have deviated from that today.

What does it cost to proclaim the gospel each week openly on Main Street on the courthouse lawn? $130 for the seasonal general liability bond, ~ $250 for twenty cases of hotdogs, ~ $50 fueling the portable generator - and not much more. The only real cost is getting off the couch and going outside to do our master's will.

Anonymous Templar December 06, 2016 11:06 AM  

Our Khazar Talmudist masters are getting extremely bold and audacious the last 24 months...

...the goyim are waking up. Not good for them.

Blogger James December 06, 2016 11:09 AM  

""For centuries 'churchian evangelists' have been taught the anti-Scriptural BS that "the law has been done away with," and "nailed to the cross."
It's a lie. (See Matthew 5:17-19)Witness the fruit."
The blotting out of the handwriting of ordinances against us has been deliberately twisted in order to cause our present confusion. The point is that it is not strictly obeying the letter of the law that saves us, in any case, which was always true, but it is by faith we are saved, just like Abraham, and that faith is not even of our selves, but is the gift of God. Jesus Christ kept the law perfectly and His perfection saves us if we believe Him when He tells us that it saves us. Blessed are all they who put their trust in Him.

Blogger James December 06, 2016 11:09 AM  

Shall we sin, then, that grace may abound? God forbid!!!

Blogger CM December 06, 2016 11:12 AM  

Christianity is not the religion of Jesus, because Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Christianity is the religion of Paul.

Liar. Paul was a Jew, too. He was a particularly learned Jew at that. In fact, his bonafides in knowing the Hebrew Torah are so good, he was in a unique position to take the unfiltered documentation of Jesus' (by contrast) uneducated disciples* and wed Jesus' teachings to the law that was fulfilled.

Paul is the first Theologian.

*The disciples were far less likely to filter Jesus' teachings according to an agenda because they weren't taught beyond basic teachings.

Anonymous BGKB December 06, 2016 11:15 AM  

We are not confident that evangelicalism is a community in which younger, nonwhite voices can flourish

Talk about faith against all evidence. The only reason Mexicans got to church in Mexico is that it gives better handouts than the Mexican govt

"But Jesus-centered faith needs a new name."

IF you can't talk them into calling themselves churchians what about getting them to get in on the fad by calling themselves TRANS-Christians? You could say it represents inclusivity

that means only 20% of Evangelicans are polluted. A Very good record

That's the 20% on the top using donations for hookers.

If American "Christians" were more like Jews, we'd have a more diverse, better world --- free from homophobia

You can be the Christian GRINDR RABBI http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/31/meet-the-grindr-rabbi-who-says-the-gay-sex-app-can-bring-jews-together.html

Anonymous Eric the Red December 06, 2016 11:32 AM  

The churchian says that if you don't invite the homosexual and the mohammedan into your midst, then that means you hate them.

Analogy: I say if a churchian doesn't give flowers to his wife each and every day, then that means he hates his wife.

churchians: the triumph of niceness, sanctimony and illogic over goodness, morality, and wisdom.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 06, 2016 11:36 AM  

The churchian says that if you don't invite the homosexual and the mohammedan into your midst, then that means you hate them.

Analogy: I say if a churchian doesn't give flowers to his wife each and every day, then that means he hates his wife.

churchians: the triumph of saccharine niceness, sanctimony and illogic over true goodness, morality, and wisdom.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey December 06, 2016 11:58 AM  

Good riddance to modern American Evangelicalism. It's Christianity in its nicest, weakest, cuckiest form.

Evangelism without discipleship is spiritual infanticide. It's easy, and makes us feel good, to tell people about Jesus. But the true and hard work of discipleship is calling people out on their sin, their need of a Savior and walking alongside them in repentance.

Virtue-signaling is the easy, broad path. Pursuing virtue is the hard, narrow one.

Blogger kurt9 December 06, 2016 12:02 PM  

if the New York Times Carlos Slim's blog is affording you space for your views and generally striking a positive tone about them, you are absolutely wrong and whatever you are pushing is antithetical to genuine Christianity.

I have no doubt about the truth in this.

Blogger Flyover Pilgrim December 06, 2016 12:10 PM  

Meekness is strength submitted to the proper Authority.

And heresy begets heresy.

Blogger synp December 06, 2016 12:30 PM  

CM wrote:Christianity is not the religion of Jesus, because Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Christianity is the religion of Paul.

Liar. Paul was a Jew, too. He was a particularly learned Jew at that. In fact, his bonafides in knowing the Hebrew Torah are so good, he was in a unique position to take the unfiltered documentation of Jesus' (by contrast) uneducated disciples* and wed Jesus' teachings to the law that was fulfilled.

Paul is the first Theologian.

*The disciples were far less likely to filter Jesus' teachings according to an agenda because they weren't taught beyond basic teachings.

You call me a liar, and yet everything you say is in line with what I said.

Paul started out as a regular Pharisee, but went on to preach to the gentiles, which no previous Pharisee did and certainly Jesus did not. He broke with the Jewish tradition of requiring nothing of the gentiles but adherence to the seven laws of Noah. By Jewish law he's a Jew forever, but by his conversion and his belief in Jesus being the son of God, he became at least a heretic to Judaism.

Anonymous Mark Call December 06, 2016 12:33 PM  

Mark Call wrote:
For centuries 'churchian evangelists' have been taught the anti-Scriptural BS that "the law has been done away with," and "nailed to the cross."

It's a lie. (See Matthew 5:17-19)

Witness the fruit.


Looks like somebody didn't read what He said:


Jesus was a Jew, and here he is talking to Jews.

Correct in part, but woefully incomplete. Funny how churchianty likes to pick and choose from His Word, even the "Sermon on the Mount." When He said He didn't come to change EVEN THE SMALLEST PART of His Word ('torah', or instruction) while heaven and earth still exist, Who are you calling a liar?

Jesus was not exempt from the laws, and neither are modern Jews. Christianity is not the religion of Jesus, because Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Christianity is the religion of Paul.

Wow. That's a pretty good definition of churchianity.

It also helps explain II Peter 3:5-6, about how Paul is "twisted" (beyond belief, even!) "by the unlearned and untaught -- as they do the REST of Scripture! -- unto their own destruction."

You wanna see what a world where the "law if done away with" looks like?

Look around. If anything, Peter understated the case against churchianity.

And as for the Messiah (clearly not to be confused with "another jesus, whom we have not preached," as that same Paul observed) -- HE said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Tragically, churchianity has NEVER been taught what He meant, or why they are STILL lost!

Anonymous Trimegistus December 06, 2016 12:44 PM  

That whole piece is factually wrong. The most noticeable thing about Evangelical Christians in this past election was that nobody noticed them at all. They were not a prominent part of Trump's base; they may have voted for him but they certainly weren't vocal.

The author of this piece is simply lying.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 06, 2016 12:47 PM  

johnc wrote:Never heard of this guy.

He was the one who was laughing and joking with Beelzebubba, Lawd Hee-Haw of Arkansas in the wake of St. Ron of Brown's funeral - until (((gaslight media))) appeared, at which point Beelzebubba broke into tears. Wonder how many trips to Epstein Island Campolo has made on Lolita Express?

Anonymous Beau December 06, 2016 12:48 PM  

It's easy, and makes us feel good, to tell people about Jesus.

Why then do so few present the gospel? My friend Ron Moon, a cowboy evangelist, phoned 120 churches across the Southwest seeking to set up a venue to preach the gospel. He got from one church at a time a unanimous response, "That's good, but we cannot do that at this time. Thank you for your call." There is nothing defective in Ron's preaching. He calls sinners to repentance. Again, if evangelism was easy and feelz good, why no participants?

Anonymous crushlimbraw December 06, 2016 12:55 PM  

It has been my contention all along that it was the modern American church which lost this country to the Left - every institution without exception! Without the church returning to classic Christianity, there will be no restoration of America or Western Civilization.
At this point in time, churchianity has adopted the world's emotional/feelings theology - and it is time for those of us whose eyes are open to begin 'making disciples of all nations', and not to bring them all here!

OpenID frankluke December 06, 2016 12:57 PM  

When people say to (they don't ask, they state), "How can you vote for Trump and be a Christian (a minister even)?" I respond, "Because St. Simon Zealotes, one of the Twelve Apostles hand selected by Jesus, used to hand out t-shirts that read 'Make Judea Great Again!'"

OpenID frankluke December 06, 2016 1:07 PM  

Another favorite is to cite what Jesus never said as though this were evidence that He would be fine with it. I.e. "Jesus never said that being gay was bad. That was that homophobic Paul dude."

When that is pulled on me, I ask them if Jesus is okay with arson.

Anonymous Beau December 06, 2016 1:40 PM  

"Because St. Simon Zealotes, one of the Twelve Apostles hand selected by Jesus, used to hand out t-shirts that read 'Make Judea Great Again!'"

*chuckle*

OpenID dreadilkzee December 06, 2016 1:45 PM  

I struggle with where to even start with all the things wrong with that pieces.
* It advocates the death of one group to another. (Whites should give way to Latinos: Which Latinos would that be? The Spanish, Spanish-Mexicans, Aztech-Mexicans, Portuguese-Brazilians, Black-Brazilians, Mayan-Brazilians, Cubans?)
* Thinks the people going "religious=none" are scared by "raciest whites"... Really!? last I check there were more than two religions. What happened to all those Latino Catholics? If this is true then Catholicism should be seeing an explosion.
* Why is Trump any worse than Hillary? Both say they go to church. One actually has evidence of personally helping people of various ethnicity, the other just takes advantage of Haitian children.
* At best they could only advocate for not voting if they truly felt Trump was so terrible as Hillary is worse, only thing she has done as not used the same inflammatory rhetoric, instead she classified the while male as deplorable.

OpenID dreadilkzee December 06, 2016 1:47 PM  

frankluke wrote:Another favorite is to cite what Jesus never said as though this were evidence that He would be fine with it. I.e. "Jesus never said that being gay was bad. That was that homophobic Paul dude."

When that is pulled on me, I ask them if Jesus is okay with arson.



I don't think Jesus said anything about rape either.

Blogger Matamoros December 06, 2016 2:04 PM  

The SJWs and leftists are getting back onto a corruption of Jesus because He is white.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/04/race-warriors-decry-white-jesus/

This ongoing corruption of the Christian Faith is a continuation of the same forces that gave the world various heresies and protestantism - just the next iteration.

Anyone not familiar with these two books simply doesn't understand the enemy or the process:

Rabbi Louis Newman - Jewish Influence in Christian Reform Movements
http://www.lulu.com/shop/louis-newman/jewish-influence-in-christian-reform-movements/paperback/product-22718260.html

Maurice Pinay, The Plot Against the Church
http://www.lulu.com/shop/maurice-pinay/the-plot-against-the-church/paperback/product-22731399.html

These forces should be resisted in favor of the true Faith as strongly as possible as they anti-civilizational.

Btw, Allah is not the name of God that Christians used. Christians were forced to use the name by Mohammedans.

The phrase "there is no god but allah" is actually "there is no illah but allah" which shows the difference. Illah is the name for God. Allah is the name for Ba-alah (Baal, Satan).

Blogger Matamoros December 06, 2016 2:12 PM  

"Jesus never said that being gay was bad. That was that homophobic Paul dude."

You are showing your ignorance. The God of the Old Testament is Jesus. See Jude 1:5 - But I will admonish you, that once know all things, that c JESUS, saving the people out of the land of Egypt, secondly destroyed them which believed not.

This is from the Rheims. See also the ESV.

So the instructions of the Old Testament against homosexuals were issued by Jesus - as was the destruction of them at Sodom and Gomorrah.

Blogger SirHamster December 06, 2016 2:52 PM  

CM wrote:Christianity is not the religion of Jesus, because Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Christianity is the religion of Paul.

Liar. Paul was a Jew, too. He was a particularly learned Jew at that. ...



I think you are missing the nuance of synp's point. Paul testifies to the Corinthians:

"Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.

To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law."


One who is a Jew does not need to become like a Jew. But the Christian possesses a "righteousness that surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law" so as to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Blogger Darwinian Arminian December 06, 2016 4:18 PM  

As white male evangelists, we have no problem admitting that the future does not lie with us.

In Tony's case that's perfectly valid; He's a pastor who couldn't even bring his own son into the fold. Bang-up job from a man who makes his living out of being a shepherd.

Though on second thought, maybe that was the goal all along. Just think of it -- with one fewer white male in the Kingdom of Heaven we will now have another open space that can be filled with a black or a brown or a woman!

Blogger Viisaus December 06, 2016 7:07 PM  

"The Left likes to trot out the "Gentle Jesus" and use Him as a cudgel to beat those that follow Him."

I do not mean to sound blasphemously ireeverent, but Jesus Christ has also another aspect than the meek and mild suffering Messiah of the Gospels. He also appears as the absolutely DREADFUL (to the sinners) conquering warlord in the Book of Revelations, where the time of mercy ends and God returns to the Old Testament style judgment.

Blogger Viisaus December 06, 2016 7:11 PM  

Some theological speculation here:

"I remember hearing theories on the text that Jesus was the "Creeping Death" described here sent to kill the 1st born. This song always stuck with me, because its from the perspective of the angel sent to kill. To imagine being in his shoes..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5lXEFdZAmU

Anonymous J. J. December 06, 2016 8:22 PM  

Another favorite is to cite what Jesus never said as though this were evidence that He would be fine with it. I.e. "Jesus never said that being gay was bad. That was that homophobic Paul dude."

They even have a word for this. They call themselves "Red Letter Christians"... i.e. that which is in red letters in their Bible (the direct quotes of Jesus in the NT) is to be held in higher esteem than everything else. If you look at the bottom of the linked article, one of the authors, Shane Claiborne, is the President of "Red Letter Christians"... the top dog of them all. Why they hate Paul, John, Peter, James, Moses, the Prophets, and all the other writers of scripture so much, I can't figure out... of course they say they don't in theory, but in practice they do.

Anonymous Carbon blob December 06, 2016 10:35 PM  

"We are not confident that evangelicalism is a community in which younger, nonwhite voices can flourish"

Author obviously hasn't a clue what's happening in Africa and Asia.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 07, 2016 6:03 AM  

Matamoros wrote:

The phrase "there is no god but allah" is actually "there is no illah but allah" which shows the difference. Illah is the name for God. Allah is the name for Ba-alah (Baal, Satan).


AFAIK an ancient Arabs knew about a god named Allah (one of thousands gods of pagan Arabia). So, when Muhammad came and started to speak about "Allah" none protested, they knew Allalh already. Alllah was the god of the Moon, the god of vengeance.

Anonymous Bruce December 07, 2016 7:13 AM  

"Another favorite is to cite what Jesus never said as though this were evidence that He would be fine with it. I.e. "Jesus never said that being gay was bad. That was that homophobic Paul dude."


Yeah, Jesus never spoke against Nazism so that's ok. Jesus never spoke about child molestation so that's ok too.

Blogger wreckage December 07, 2016 8:23 AM  

""If American "Christians" were more like Jews, we'd have a more diverse, better world --- free from homophobia, sexism, racism and other bigotry (just like how Jesus preached!)""

You do realize that in Judaism a wife is the husband's property, only Jews and their descendants are saved, and the penalty for homosexuality is death?

Anonymous Mened December 07, 2016 11:12 AM  

About "Carlos Slim's blog".

Cernovich is fond of calling the New York Times "Carlos Slim's blog," pretending that he is exposing the people behind the media. "Look! An Arab Mexican runs the New York Times!" He also blatantly lies and says "the Saudis" control the media, at a question from a follower on whether it is true that Jews dominate the media. "No, it's the Saudis."

Completely false. As is his claim that Carlos Slim owns the New York Times. Slim only owns 18 percent of Class A shares since 2015, and NONE of the more important, controlling Class B shares, which all remain in the Jewish Sulzberger family's hands. Arthur Sulzberger is the publisher of the New York Times.

But the oh-so-bold Cernovich would never dare mention that.

Those who do know the truth stop reading him when they realize that it's not ignorance but deceit that directs his words, so that he cultivates a readership of sycophants who drool in awe at his tough-guy act. This is why the media have no problem promoting him as "a leader of the alt-Right" or "New Right". And it is why he is kept on Twitter while real alt-Right leaders who built large follows have all been banned. The establishment hopes that the readers will gravitate toward people like Cernovich, Molyneux, John Paul Watson - people who never criticized immigration before Trump and the alt-Right paved the way and showed them there was an audience to capture. Money, money.

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