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Monday, December 26, 2016

Conservatism is dead

And National Review killed it. Josh Gelernter provides the nail in the coffin with "A Conservative Defense of Transgender Rights":
Kentucky governor Matt Bevin said last week that he hopes the Kentucky legislature won’t consider a transgender-bathroom bill in the upcoming legislative session; according to Bevin, “the last thing we need is more government rules.” He’s absolutely right, and I think it’s worth offering a conservative defense of transgender rights — which ought to be a conservative issue.

On the American political spectrum, conservatism is the mind-your-own-business ideology. I know smoking is unhealthy, but I enjoy smoking, and my health is none of your business. I know motorcycles can be dangerous, but I like the wind in my hair; whether or not I wear a helmet is none of your business. I realize that fireworks can blow up before they’re supposed to, but they’re fun and my fingers are none of your business. Don’t tell me what sort of car to drive, or what kind of light bulb I can buy, or what kind of milk I can drink, or how to raise my kids.

There’s a reason, when push comes to shove, most libertarians vote Republican. The Republican party is — more often than not, and should invariably be — the party of individual liberty. So conservatives have to ask, is it a good idea to empower the government to start lifting up people’s skirts?

The response, from many conservatives, is that it’s not a question of interfering with personal freedom — the freedom to live one’s own life however he’d like — but of preserving personal freedom — that is, the freedom to go to the bathroom among only people of the same biological sex. Allowing mixed-biological-sex bathrooms risks making adults uncomfortable, and risks opening the door to child predators, or so the argument goes. I’m afraid neither of those positions strikes me as well thought-out. Certainly not from a conservative point of view.
Well, if something doesn't strike JOSH GELERNTER - THE Josh Gelernter of NATIONAL REVIEW - as "well thought-out", then obviously it is wrong!

After all, what is conservatism if not doing whatever one wants at any time, without the slightest possible concern for the possible consequences to oneself or anyone else?

Conservatism is dead. Conservatism has conserved nothing, not even itself. If you want to live, if you want America to be reborn, if you want Western Civilization to survive, you have no choice but to support the Alt-Right.

The best response was this comment:

YIH says:    
December 26, 2016 at 7:42 am GMT
“A Conservative Defense of Transgender Rights”

https://infogalactic.com/info/Cuckservative

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113 Comments:

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 26, 2016 10:38 AM  

Modern conservatives are just yesterdays liberals. Thats why they cannot create an effective opposition to any leftwing policies.

Anonymous Northern Refugee December 26, 2016 10:42 AM  

What's the point of conservatism nowadays anyway? Muh free market, muh wars for israel? What. I just spent a few minutes browsing NRO. There is nothing there. It is a sad, empty shell. The sooner we take this defunct movement out back and shoot it, the better. We have accomplished more in 18 months with memes and twitter raids than these asshats have in 50 years with magazines, think tanks and strongly worded editorials.

Anonymous Northern Refugee December 26, 2016 10:44 AM  

At this point, conservatism is worse than useless. They actively seek to undermine the only movement willing to defend muh conservative principles and the future of the West.

Blogger Timmy3 December 26, 2016 10:46 AM  

There's nothing inherently Conservative about transgender bathroom rights. Conservative also means Traditional. Transgenderism is a new thing and still in transition. Transsexuals are completed. I'll make them an exception.

Blogger Tupla-J December 26, 2016 10:50 AM  

I wonder if the name of Josh Gelernter (((echoes))).

Blogger pyrrhus December 26, 2016 10:50 AM  

Comment 7--"Next week, a conservative case for child molestation."

Blogger tz December 26, 2016 10:54 AM  

Just because Nudists ... Drunks ...
We should then repeal public intoxication laws (if they are hurting no one) or public indecency laws.

However this might end SJW ism on campus

1. Wait for a snowflake-ette to enter the girls restroom. Or locker-room.
2. Men follow happily chatting and do their business in the stalls.
3. After the shrieking, simply say they identified as women at the moment and raise an even bigger transphobe queer fluid stink based on the university's hypocrisy to create an F5 shitstorm. Demand all restrooms be relabeled gender neutral

And the point is not to ban transgenderism on campus, but to get the women to leave.

Blogger Robert Divinity December 26, 2016 10:59 AM  

I resisted for the longest the notion National Review-type conservatism existed to virtue signal to the liberals who live in their deeply blue enclaves. Damn if that wasn't wrong. The point of the "conservative case for transgender rights" is to make the author and the National Review editorial staff feel better about themselves at, yes, cocktail parties. What a lame, shallow and fraudulent "intellectualism" conservatism has become.

National Review, The Weekly Standard, and think tanks such as AEI will be defunct in a year or so as their wealthy patrons decide the investment is a ridiculous one.

Blogger seeingsights December 26, 2016 11:00 AM  

'We have accomplished more in 18 months with memes and twitter raids than these asshats have in 50 years with magazines, think tanks and strongly worded editorials.'

I think thats a bit unfair. I just happened to read the other day the InfoGalactic article on The Reagan Doctrine. The Reagan Doctrine was the support of anti-Communist resistance movements. Conservative think thanks such as The Heritage Foundation were important theorists of this doctrine.

The problem is that times have changed, and that requires a change in thinking, which NRO and mainstream conservatives have not done.

For example, the most interesting (and closer to being correct) foreign policy ideas have come from Trump, Pat Buchanan, Sarah Palin. Palin said of the Middle East, "Let Allah sort it out."

Anonymous Faceless December 26, 2016 11:01 AM  

I wish the National Review would just die, since it's a creature of the left in drag, and it's long stopped being a funny show.

@7 This thing will never happen. Western girls are happy to be raped and murdered if it avoids being called racist.

Blogger Rambam December 26, 2016 11:04 AM  

I'm tired of this bathroom business. I wipe my hands of the hole issue.

Anonymous Faceless December 26, 2016 11:04 AM  

How important can Gelernter be if he doesn't have a profile on JewOrNotJew.com?

Blogger pyrrhus December 26, 2016 11:10 AM  

(((Josh Gelenter))) reverting to type, like all the net-trotskyites hanging around NRO and Fox.

Anonymous Faceless December 26, 2016 11:10 AM  

"Joshua Gelernter is a weekly columnist for NRO and a frequent contributor to the Weekly Standard."

It is to laugh. This is your Never Trump movement. All the elements are there for some joke about Rich Lowry, Stephen Hayes, and a glory hole, except they'd have to find somebody who could go through it.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 26, 2016 11:14 AM  

We have accomplished more in 18 months with memes and twitter raids than these asshats have in 50 years with magazines, think tanks and strongly worded editorials.

Very true and well put, but who ever said they wanted to accomplish anything?

OpenID paworldandtimes December 26, 2016 11:16 AM  

"Muh individual liberty" arguments assume no public space, no culture, no social ecosystem to pass on to posterity.

PA

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 26, 2016 11:19 AM  

I can't even.

We have accomplished more in 18 months with memes and twitter raids than these asshats have in 50 years with magazines, think tanks and strongly worded editorials.

Yes. Poetry and art change the world.

Essays by eggheads, pseudo-intellectuals, and Churchian prigs, not so much.

Keep the memes coming!

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 26, 2016 11:22 AM  

Conservatives are not only not up to the task of defending the West, they are directly complicit in its subversion. They are traitors and should be treated as such. They are far more interested in getting an invite to the right parties or getting into the right graduate school. And this is exactly why “conservatism” is losing, and will continue to lose.

Blogger Michael Maier December 26, 2016 11:24 AM  

Northern Refugee wrote:What's the point of conservatism nowadays anyway? Muh free market, muh wars for israel? What. I just spent a few minutes browsing NRO. There is nothing there. It is a sad, empty shell. The sooner we take this defunct movement out back and shoot it, the better. We have accomplished more in 18 months with memes and twitter raids than these asshats have in 50 years with magazines, think tanks and strongly worded editorials.

Yup. It's like the GG pic: "All I wanted to do was play videogames but here I am destroying videogames press, getting Trump elected and saving Western Civilization."

If anyone has a link to that pic, I'd appreciate them sharing.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 26, 2016 11:24 AM  

Conservatives have lost. There is nothing left to conserve. Conservatism is slave ideology for yesterday's men. Conservatives lack the strength, guts, bloodlust, and killer instinct that make winners.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 26, 2016 11:25 AM  

"So conservatives have to ask, is it a good idea to empower the government to start lifting up people’s skirts?"

Fine. Let's keep the government out if it and instead, allow Vigilante Militias to police their own public space.

PA

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 26, 2016 11:25 AM  

"Muh individual liberty" arguments assume no public space, no culture, no social ecosystem to pass on to posterity.

When they aren't actively hostile to our tribe.

Blogger Publius December 26, 2016 11:26 AM  

Several years ago, the National Review printed a massive article on why meat is murder and I am a terrible person for loving a nice juicy steak.

At that point I knew that the alleged home of conservatism was dead. The corpse may still twitch a bit from time to time, but its dead.

I look forward to their upcoming article on why pedophiles are misunderstood.

Blogger Michael Maier December 26, 2016 11:26 AM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:We have accomplished more in 18 months with memes and twitter raids than these asshats have in 50 years with magazines, think tanks and strongly worded editorials.

Very true and well put, but who ever said they wanted to accomplish anything?


That is a point that was perfectly exemplified by Jorge Bush's years where he had the majority of both chambers of Congress. WHAT did the pricks get done while holding all the power?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 26, 2016 11:37 AM  

So the protected classes get larger, yeah conservatives.

Blogger James Dixon December 26, 2016 11:41 AM  

> I look forward to their upcoming article on why pedophiles are misunderstood.

Give it six to twelve months, but yes.

Blogger tz December 26, 2016 11:44 AM  

The National Review has finally declined into a magazine for Toilet Humor.

Blogger tublecane December 26, 2016 11:48 AM  

@23-The dream of gender segregation dashed on the rocks if skirt-privacy. But what can we do? Our hands are tied. We believe in nothing if not "liberty." As defined by the left, that is. The liberty to relieve oneself amongst the gender of your choosing, but certainly not the liberty not to bow to the whims the mentally deranged and/or sexual opportunists.

So long as we're not looking up skirts, could we remove the state from inside lady-parts (actual ladies, this time), mmmkay? Anti-abortion much more intrusive than skirt-lifting. All hail liberty, and so forth. I eagerly await the "Conservative Defense of Abortion Rights" article, which probably has been written many times over by now.

I'd ask why they don't cut to the chase and write "A Conservative Defense of Leftism," but that would spoil the game.

Blogger darkdoc December 26, 2016 11:49 AM  

The only thing that could make this better is if his name was Zach, not Josh.

Blogger Elizabeth December 26, 2016 11:51 AM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:"Muh individual liberty" arguments assume no public space, no culture, no social ecosystem to pass on to posterity.

When they aren't actively hostile to our tribe.


The central delusion of libertarianism is that only the individual matters. It ignores the fact that most human beings are social animals: we are a part of a family, a community a country. No man is an island - what we do does affect others. Private behavior has public consequences.

In a truly libertarian society, where there is no welfare state, people would be forced to live traditional lifestyles (get married, stay married, have kids, avoid self-indulgence, etc.) because they can't screw up and force others to subsidize the consequences of their choices. One of the arguments against him smoking and riding a motorcycle without a helmet is that if he gets sick or injured, the taxpayer may be on the hook to pay his medical bills. He may even be unable to return to work and go on disability. That was the argument made by the Federal Government in the late 1990s when it went after the tobacco companies.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual December 26, 2016 11:53 AM  

I stopped being a Republican when they pushed Dole forward.
I stopped being a conservative when they conserved NOTHING in the 2000s.
#AltRight is the current label, but I prefer #NewRight, as the republicans/cuckservatives have abandoned the field, and heckle from the sidelines. There is no other cohesive force on the Right other than the #NewRight; we are no longer an alternative, WE ARE THE RIGHT.

We need to relentlessly drive the Cucks away, as they have no part of us. We have no need of traitors and cowards.

Blogger VD December 26, 2016 11:54 AM  

In a truly libertarian society, where there is no welfare state, people would be forced to live traditional lifestyles (get married, stay married, have kids, avoid self-indulgence, etc.) because they can't screw up and force others to subsidize the consequences of their choices.

No, you phrased it wrong. The correct way to pronounce it is "In a truly Communist society...."

There are no truly-anything societies.

Blogger kurt9 December 26, 2016 11:54 AM  

Other than the transgenders in the ladies' can and the immigration issues, exactly what policy differences are there between libertarianism and the alt-right? I choose whatever career to go into (automation and control system engineering, technical marketing and sales) and, say, I fly off to Fiji in summer of '18 to undergo that telemerase extension gene therapy for life extension, how exactly would the alt-right want to screw with these private life choices any more than the libertarians/conservatives would? Why would they want to?

Blogger Cail Corishev December 26, 2016 11:57 AM  

National Review, The Weekly Standard, and think tanks such as AEI will be defunct in a year or so as their wealthy patrons decide the investment is a ridiculous one.

More likely their wealthy, leftist patrons will continue to fund them as useful idiots. They will need outlets like NRO and writers like Dreher, Goldberg, and Douthat to tell the mainstream that theirs is the acceptable limit of right-wing thinking, so anything further to the right must be avoided as too extreme. If left-wing conservatives aren't given a platform, people wanting an alternative to the left could run straight into the Alt-Right.

Business as usual.

Blogger Eincrou December 26, 2016 12:02 PM  

The best comment I've seen about this NR article was on Twitter from Josiah Neeley(@jneeley78):

"@JBurtonXP Standing athwart history shouting "Here's the Conservative Case for Not Stopping"

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 26, 2016 12:05 PM  

The only thing that could make this better is if his name was Zach, not Josh.

"Josh" is a pretty common name among their tribe, so I think it's a perfectly apt name for this sick (((animal))).

Blogger kurt9 December 26, 2016 12:07 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:SciVo de Plorable wrote: It ignores the fact that most human beings are social animals: we are a part of a family, a community a country. No man is an island - what we do does affect others. Private behavior has public consequences.

In a truly libertarian society, where there is no welfare state, people would be forced to live traditional lifestyles (get married, stay married, have kids, avoid self-indulgence, etc.) because they can't screw up and force others to subsidize the consequences of their choices. One of the arguments against him smoking and riding a motorcycle without a helmet is that if he gets sick or injured, the taxpayer may be on the hook to pay his medical bills. He may even be unable to return to work and go on disability. That was the argument made by the Federal Government in the late 1990s when it went after the tobacco companies.


Any kind of functional society, libertarian or non-libertarian, has vested interest in curbing behavior that leads to increased dependency or even the potential for increased dependency. This would include curbs things like drug use and addiction all the way to the aforementioned riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Dependency is a burden that is borne by us all.

I would think, if anything, a functional society should encourage behaviors that increase individual self-reliance. This would not only include discouragement of things like drug abuse and smoking, but encouragement of choices such as physical fitness, prudent management of one's financial and other personal affairs, and of course the development of bio-medical cure for aging. More than drug addiction, problem gambling, and the like, the aging process itself is the single largest creator of disability and dependency. It seems reasonable that it should be tackled as a higher priority.

Blogger Elizabeth December 26, 2016 12:15 PM  

VD wrote:In a truly libertarian society, where there is no welfare state, people would be forced to live traditional lifestyles (get married, stay married, have kids, avoid self-indulgence, etc.) because they can't screw up and force others to subsidize the consequences of their choices.

No, you phrased it wrong. The correct way to pronounce it is "In a truly Communist society...."

There are no truly-anything societies.


I agree with you there - there are no "truly-anything" societies. Libertarians are ivory tower intellectuals who ignore human nature and rely on "reason" and "science," like the Soviets. Even the Soviets acceding to human nature and allowed collective farm employees to farm private plots of land and sell the produce.

Blogger tz December 26, 2016 12:16 PM  

No, the NR crew was the #SacrificialRight but the white working class were the sacrificial victims.

Blogger YIH December 26, 2016 12:19 PM  

Yes, that was me. What brought it to mind was NR's On Salon’s Much-Maligned Pedophilia Piece where it does appear that NR (or at least Charles C. W. Cooke only) is defending Salon's article, and then, after what was likely a firestorm of negative comments, (((Jonah Goldberg))) has to pull out the fire extinguisher: Why It Was a Mistake for Salon to Run Its Pedophilia Piece.
When I saw that right up top when I visited Sailer, I simply WDF?
On the IG page is:
One definition of cuckservative is a conservative who supports immigration, sells out,[10] having bought into all of the key premises of the left,[11] and is enthralled with liberal values.[6]
Bingo.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco December 26, 2016 12:23 PM  

Off topic, but just look at this amazing atheist.

Blogger tz December 26, 2016 12:26 PM  

As to the libertarian/conservative, Molyneux has come around. He's still sort of an Atheist, anarchist, but I can pull quotes that sound more like they came from a Mormon or a Traditional Catholic.

Liberty is downstream from Christendom and Western Civilization. Libertarians want the branch but cut off from the tree, if not chop down the tree completely.

Transgender are observably insane. They ARE one gender, but think they are another. There is a libertarian case for allowing mild and non-threatening neurosis and psychosis to walk free, but there is a line. You can't have a civilization with a bunch of crazy people walking around.

The other part is crime. There are a hundred thousand tyrannical regulations at all levels worse than restricting restrooms. But the Cuckservatives only indirectly suggest some mild deregulation (where is the symposium from NR showing the Climate Change scam? The EPA and BLM, FDA, USDA violating Rancher and Farmer rights?).

The one nice thing about the "peacock" issues is they separate the wheat from the chaff efficiently.

I want to end the EPA CO2 as pollutant and desert as "navigable water" overreach. He wants to allow men into women's locker rooms.

Blogger Mountain Man December 26, 2016 12:27 PM  

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Blogger Mountain Man December 26, 2016 12:29 PM  

"Dependency is a burden that is borne by us all. "

The logical outcome of such a way of thinking...is what we have currently - an all invasive, suffocating, fascist nanny state - that considers nothing outside the purview of its jurisdiction.

No thanks- I want to be able to ride my bike without a helmet and if I get fucked up because of it - Ill pay the cost and accept responsibility.

Anonymous Bobby Farr December 26, 2016 12:33 PM  

Wow. Who would have guessed that foreigners aren't reliable proponents of conserving a culture they aren't a part of.

Anonymous DJF December 26, 2016 12:34 PM  

National Review gave up conservatism long ago, in 2003 they published an article which defended Trotsky

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/207196/trotskycons-stephen-schwartz

Anonymous the management December 26, 2016 12:38 PM  

When will cuckservatives learn that to their (((friends))) the neocons, "freedom" means breached walls and broken gates?

Blogger praetorian December 26, 2016 12:40 PM  

This article is the pièce de résistance of cuckservatism, and will red-pill more normies than we simple meme farmers could ever hope our own meagre output would achieve.

Well done, NR.

Blogger tz December 26, 2016 12:41 PM  

Cuckservatives are paying brainchild support to antithetical ideas.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 26, 2016 12:42 PM  

More evidence of herding behavior exhibited as recitation of the Universalist Cult catechism.

Labels reveal nothing, only action does so.

The apoplexy of the cultists is a direct result of the so-called Alt-Right simply arising to encapsulate divergence from the catechism where before no one diverged.

The action we see now is new & profound. The trend is turning.

Blogger Mountain Man December 26, 2016 12:43 PM  

"He’s absolutely right, and I think it’s worth offering a conservative defense of transgender rights — which ought to be a conservative issue."

This quote speaks volumes about the inherent flaw of "conservatism".
Its always on the defensive and furiously struggling to claim the mantle and high ground of any and all issues that fit within the context of the narrative defined by the prog-left.

Blogger LES December 26, 2016 12:45 PM  

If a man can dress as a woman and use a women's bathroom undetected, fine. But the transgender laws are not about protecting an invented minority but about oppressing the majority.

Blogger Freelance Teacher December 26, 2016 12:48 PM  

NRO exists now only as a punchline for the alt-right and anyone else who has become WOKE.

They'll never figure it out, and it won't disappear until the money dries up.

Blogger Mountain Man December 26, 2016 12:48 PM  

"National Review gave up conservatism long ago"

Its been a statist rag since sits inception. Buckley was a CIA patsy who created the magazine and the movement to prevent the nationalist/Bircher movement from gaining any traction. In return he was given the societal acceptance, limelight, and a continued life of leisure.
He was a nasty piece of work with a level of hubris and inflated sense of intelligence that rivals Obama.

Blogger Darrencardinal December 26, 2016 12:49 PM  

If politics was pro wrestling the conservative movement are the jobbers.

Blogger Robert Divinity December 26, 2016 12:49 PM  

34:
More likely their wealthy, leftist patrons will continue to fund them as useful idiots. They will need outlets like NRO and writers like Dreher, Goldberg, and Douthat to tell the mainstream that theirs is the acceptable limit of right-wing thinking, so anything further to the right must be avoided as too extreme.

You very well may be right. I do expect some of the cucky outlets to start to integrate "acceptable" Alt-Right-friendly figures into their programming and onto their pages, as has happened on rare occasion on Fox's "Red Eye." The tempest in a teapot over Michael Cernovich's appearance there was to signal how far cuckservatives are willing to go for the time being.

Good point about propping up useful idiots such as Goldberg and French, though.

Blogger bob kek mando ( NABTY ) December 26, 2016 12:54 PM  

((( Gelernter )))?

Jew York faggot gonna Jew York faggot.

Anonymous DJF December 26, 2016 12:55 PM  

Mountain Man writes


""""Its been a statist rag since sits inception. Buckley was a CIA patsy who created the magazine and the movement to prevent the nationalist/Bircher movement from gaining any traction. In return he was given the societal acceptance, limelight, and a continued life of leisure.
He was a nasty piece of work with a level of hubris and inflated sense of intelligence that rivals Obama.""""

Could not agree more.

Anonymous BBGKB December 26, 2016 12:56 PM  

I know motorcycles can be dangerous, but I like the wind in my hair NAFALT

“A Conservative Defense of Transgender Rights”

Jenner only had to kill one woman to be identified as a woman driver. The accident wasn't Jenner's fault, xer's car had a defective tranny in it.

Comment 7--"Next week, a conservative case for child molestation." by David French

The one nice thing about the "peacock" issues is they separate the wheat from the chaff efficiently.

As long as one man in a dress is barred from little girls bathrooms the fight against the 0.0001% can wait.

Blogger YIH December 26, 2016 1:18 PM  

Another good one:
neutral
says:

December 26, 2016 at 2:57 pm GMT • 100 Words

What makes this funny for me is that I left a comment on National Review (before they went into censorship mode by using Facebook comments) and I said National Review will one day declare that Transgenderism is a conservative value. As expected all the cucks denounced me as being a crazed troll, the only thing I was wrong about was how much sooner their endorsement has arrived.

Yeah right?

Blogger Nick S December 26, 2016 1:24 PM  

Transgenderism is a psychological disorder and normalizing a mental disorder is always a lose/lose proposition. It isn't ever going to help anyone.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 26, 2016 1:32 PM  

Reminds me of a line from the Angel T.V show of all things. The lead vampire is confronted by minions of the marginally less evi land rarely helpful and mysterious "powers that be" turns to them and says "powers that be what?"

Same here magazine that conserves what?

Blogger Tom Kratman December 26, 2016 2:31 PM  

Oh, that's nothing. I can recall when it was a conservative position in the UK to maintain the welfare state, largely because they were defining conservatism as avoidance of change and keeping the underclass from rioting.

These were not, of course, principled positions.

Blogger Some Dude December 26, 2016 2:34 PM  

Our colleague Gelernter may wish to reflect that letting anyone do whatever they want leads to legalised polygamy, opioids, bestiality, paedophilia, and pumping 'transgender' children with hormones.

Strange how freedom of association with 'rac-ists' is something this guy wouldn't countenance, but letting men dressed as women come into his daughter's toilet or pumping children with hormones and giving them sex surgery is fine.

(((O__0))))) They are a mischievous bunch. Hahaha.

As Nietzsche wrote, they invert morality not because they believe, but merely to achieve...supremacy.

Anonymous Amir Larijani December 26, 2016 3:05 PM  

Gelernter's use of Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin's quote as a pretext for his own "defense" of transgender rights is a mispresentation of Bevin's own position on the matter.

In point of fact, Gov. Bevin was speaking to the issue of federal intrusion into the rights of state and local governments to addess this matter amongst themselves.

Earlier this year, the Obama Administration, via the Department of Education, ordered public school systems to accomodate "transgender" students as a condition for receiving federal monies.

Bevin was one of the Governors who immediately rejected that order, rightly calling it an exercise in absurdity.

In other words, Bevin, unlike Gelernter, is no cuck. In point of fact, Bevin is as counter-cuck is you'll find anywhere. He ran against Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) two years ago, and refuse to endorse the cuck after he lost the primary. In 2015, he ran for Governor as an anti-establishment candidate, and--like Trump this year--emerged victorious among a very crowded GOP field.

Also like Trump, Bevin was behind in every poll all the way up until election day, when he beat sitting Attorney General Jack Conway by almost 9 points.

Bevin is no proponent of "transgender" rights; he has, however, been assertive on the rights of states to address the matter as they see the prerogative to do so.

In other words, North Carolina is within their right to pass the law that they passed, just as Kentucky is right to leave the issue alone while allowing localities to address it as they see fit.

Anonymous JAG December 26, 2016 3:09 PM  

Even the Washington Generals would win against the Globetrotters once very thousand games or so. Cuckservatism cannot even match that.

And guess what? Cuckservatives will still be labeled as literally Hitler by the left.

Blogger Doc Rampage December 26, 2016 3:13 PM  

So conservativism is dead because libertarians try to trick conservatives into believing that libertarian positions are conservative? Why don't you wait to see how actual conservatives react?

Anonymous JAG December 26, 2016 3:20 PM  

Doc Rampage wrote:Why don't you wait to see how actual conservatives react?

Now why do I get the feeling it will be the usual big fat surrender burger?

Blogger tz December 26, 2016 3:27 PM  

If I identify as a trans-jew, will Israel grant me a passport?

Blogger tz December 26, 2016 3:29 PM  

It was bad enough that they wanted to come out of the closet, but now they demand to go into the water-closet!

Blogger tz December 26, 2016 3:44 PM  

@67 @68
"Actual Conservatives"?
Hahahahahahahahahaha....
Jeb! "please clap" Bush?
It is often hard to distinguish between the light and dark triad, especially since the masculine virtues necessary are often embedded within the dark triad with a few barnacles.

(I will interrupt to note my brain almost had a seizure as another family came into the eatery where the Father is modeling masculinity to his daughter, which I see frequently and the reverse ... never. I feel like a POW returning to liberty, and I know liberty, but have trouble adapting to Christendom normalcy and would build a wall 10X anything Trump would do to preserve it)

The war is at its apex between dark and light, but the dark side's greatest weapon is the gray. The compromise. The moderation. There is no moderation or compromise between heaven and hell.

Blogger Retrenched December 26, 2016 3:49 PM  

Coming soon...

"The Conservative Case For Gun Control"

"The Conservative Case For Higher Taxes"

"The Conservative Case For Abolishing the Electoral College"

"The Conservative Case For Banning Hate Speech"

Etc.

Blogger Junius Stone December 26, 2016 3:59 PM  

NR has been consistently critical of the sexual anarchists in most of it's pieces. This Josh Gertlernter (sp) does not speak for all of conservatism.

Besides, he is describing libertarianism. Conservatism is NOT about doing whatever. It is about circumscribing state power within constitutional limits, empowering the individual and standing up for timeless truths.

One...there are men and women. That's it, the weird rare genetic abberations not withstanding. Two, women and men are vastly different and women are more vulnerable than men in public. So we do, or have, tried to protect them.

As well as children.

That is why bathrooms are done the way they are.

We can't back off from this.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 26, 2016 4:13 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Oh, that's nothing. I can recall when it was a conservative position in the UK to maintain the welfare state, largely because they were defining conservatism as avoidance of change and keeping the underclass from rioting.

These were not, of course, principled positions.


Burkean Conservatism is a valid Conservative position to take and Economic Liberalism isn't inherently a Conservative position.

Markets yes but there is nothing inherently anti-conservative about wealth redistribution or about protectionism or regulation in measured doses.

I'd argue in fact that Economic Liberalism is just that, Liberal in that a regulated market state , Economic Nationalism is the Conservative default . Hell the Feudal economy was Conservative and we wouldn't recognize most of its founding principles

This of course is the crux of one of the problems that Conservatism faces in its modern form, it can't deal with heavy automation or birth control much less the Internet and its core ideas date from before these technologies were widespread

Problem is that the fake conservatives at the National Revue may have intuited it but they chose the wrong area to support.

The core ideas of Social Conservatism are correct , its the current economic liberalism that is a problem

To use an example, a good chunk of the fertility problem among European peoples is economic driven, underemployment, crowding ion areas where work is and lack of job stability and even if every single unemployed migrant was sent packing it still wouldn't fix the problem .

A good example here would be Japan , its obviously not a Western state but it is economically on the similar models.

It went to low fertility with regulated abortion and no birth control other than condoms and no Internet porn . Its did this by the early 90's and its not a coincidence as that is when the Japanese export machine failed and the assumptions of lifetime employment vanished , so did fertility

This seems to happen almost everywhere and in order for fertility rates to be higher, something will have to be done. Otherwise nature will take its toll and the population will decline to a level the society will sustain

we don't know what that level is though I've read of Japanese scholars who accept it might be lower than an industrialized society requires.

Right now we lay people off to use kiosks and machines and computers, soon self driving vehicles and then end up subsidizing them so they can eat and retailers like Wal Mart can stay afloat and not take out the entire economy

That's nuts to me , its a fractured Feudal system and if you are going to go that route , might as well go all the way and restore Christendom, the Monarchy and guilds and hell for some serfdom

Blogger Some Dude December 26, 2016 4:26 PM  

"The Conservative Case For Banning Hate Speech"

This will be pushed. Trust me.

This will be pushed via a Supreme Court Ruling by cucked judges. Just watch. That will mean the end of blogs like this.

Blogger Basil Makedon December 26, 2016 4:31 PM  

What an embarrassing article. I'm glad my subscription lapsed in 2004. Perhaps it is long past time to remove the National Review from the Bookmark Bar. I can read this drivel in Carlos Slim's blog if I want, that way it's pure and unadulterated.

Blogger L. Beau December 26, 2016 4:42 PM  

Coming soon...

"The Conservative Case For Gun Control"

"The Conservative Case For Higher Taxes"

"The Conservative Case For Abolishing the Electoral College"

"The Conservative Case For Banning Hate Speech"

Etc.


Not to mention :

1. The conservative case for the elimination of private property

2. The conservative case for the elimination of white people

3. The conservative case for NAMBLA-style pederasty

Blogger kurt9 December 26, 2016 4:45 PM  

Has anyone here in the states actually seen a transgender? I keep hearing about them from the legacy media. But I have yet to see one. I live in the Portland Oregon area (which is supposedly full of them) and I have yet to see anyone who is recognizably transgender. I think this is an issue that the liberal-left is cooking up for no apparent reason at all.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 26, 2016 5:04 PM  

Has anyone here in the states actually seen a transgender?

One, as a friend-of-friends a decade ago. Straight out of central casting, complete with the narcissistic destruction of all the friendships he made with liberals who excitedly welcomed him into their circle.

But he was the exception that proves the rule. You're right, this is entirely a media-created phenomenon. To listen to them, you'd think there are trannies in every family, every office, every school room, but in reality they barely exist at all. This isn't about them, just as it's never about the designated victim group. It's about correct-thinking whites rubbing the next perversity in the face of bad-thinking whites and feeling superior about it.

Anonymous Dan December 26, 2016 5:13 PM  

(1) Neither humans nor any other mammals can change their sexual identity. It is encoded in their DNA, with an entire chromosome devoted to it. Every cell in a person's body, save foreign matter, proclaims a person's sexual identity.

(2) Surgical sex change does not change a person's sex. The primary sex organs are not the penis and vagina but the testes and ovaries. If it was possible to give a man functioning ovaries or give a woman functioning testes, then sex change could be an actual thing. As it stands, sex change is not available on the market anywhere and nobody has ever undergone one.

Anyone who says differently is not merely left-wing. They are detached from reality and of questionable sanity.

Those spouting transgender nonsense are not merely "not conservative." Those spouting transgender nonsense are mentally incompetent and should be kept away from sharp objects, heavy machinery and power.

Anonymous No True Scotch Drinker December 26, 2016 5:16 PM  

@67 Doc Rampage
Why don't you wait to see how actual conservatives react?

Aye, laddy, them that write at NRO surely are No True Conservatives, tis true, forsooth!

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 26, 2016 5:18 PM  

kurt9 wrote:Has anyone here in the states actually seen a transgender? I keep hearing about them from the legacy media. But I have yet to see one. I live in the Portland Oregon area (which is supposedly full of them) and I have yet to see anyone who is recognizably transgender. I think this is an issue that the liberal-left is cooking up for no apparent reason at all.

You are right , its mostly a Leftist issue designed for advance the Leftism cause. I doubt many of the warren even care about TG issues of any kind even violence against them which is a real issue.

However I've tangentially interacted with 3 trans and one "maybe" over the years

One was a regular on a gaming board who was eventually kicked off for annoying even the rabbits too much. I don't remember the name though,

The second was the singer Heather Alexander who was still female though about 5 years later would become male.

and distantly the olden days gaming writer Paul Jaquyes who would change to female

The last was might have been a submissive male cross-dresser visiting the computer store where I worked with his "mistress' and might not have been trans

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 26, 2016 5:23 PM  

@73
NR has been consistently critical of the sexual anarchists in most of it's pieces.

Except for the long, turgid, badly written screed by Jason Lee Steorts in favor of gay marriage a few years back.

This Josh Gertlernter (sp) does not speak for all of conservatism.

Ok. So why did National Cuckservative Review run his piece of ordure?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 26, 2016 5:39 PM  

@78 kurt9
Has anyone here in the states actually seen a transgender?

Yeah, I've seen some men who dress up as girls, usually near a college campus, sometimes associated with a hospital. 2 or 3 in the last 15 years. It's a sad sight, especially if there's a couple of girls with buzzcuts wearing flannel shirts hanging out with them.

I keep hearing about them from the legacy media. But I have yet to see one. I live in the Portland Oregon area (which is supposedly full of them) and I have yet to see anyone who is recognizably transgender.

The swamp stream media focuses on its pets in its fave cities. Unless you go downtown or spend time up near Portland State, you're not in the native environment for trannies. Or maybe Portland trannies are better at their costuming than you realize.

Anyway, like someone else said, trannies are just the latest tool for cutting away at basic civilization.

Blogger Doc Rampage December 26, 2016 5:43 PM  

This is the method of Vox's rhetorical, dialectic-free attack on conservatism:

1. Claim the right to define conservatism regardless of what conservatives think it is.
2. Define stupid things as conservative.
3. See how stupid conservativism is?

Blogger tublecane December 26, 2016 6:11 PM  

@63-That is at least understandable as "conservatism." They'd be conserving something that already existing. But the Rights of Transgendered [Wo-]Man haven't gone through the formality of existing yet have they? It's not like gay "marriage," which SCOTUS in its infinite ignorance has decided for all time (or until gays slip down in the diversity rankings). That's the Vanguard Respectable Right for you, always outflanking itself to the left.

Tranny Power is foregone conclusion, maybe, at least in NR circles. But patience, please. At least wait for things to exist before you pretend to conserve them. Not only can NR not wait for the ink to dry on addendums to our cultural suicide pact, they can't wait for them to be written. There's a limit to how fast this process can take, thankfully, in that they have to wait for things to be taken up by the left before they can conserve them. Otherwise, they'd be the left. (They can suggest ideas to the left, though. That's how we got Obamacare.)

Blogger kurt9 December 26, 2016 6:31 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:@78 kurt9

Has anyone here in the states actually seen a transgender?

Unless you go downtown or spend time up near Portland State, you're not in the native environment for trannies. Or maybe Portland trannies are better at their costuming than you realize.



I go downtown regularly on weekends, usually the Pearl or shopping area (Pioneer Square, Nordstroms, Luis Vitton stores) dining out with the wife. We're not up in the PSU area much. I was up there a couple of years ago. I saw mostly what looked like stereotypical SJW types around, al though there were some attractive women. The attractive women are mostly in the Pearl or the shopping areas of downtown.

If the transgenders are "passable", then I'm not going to notice them unless I speak to them (which I don't). The piercing and tats are out of control though. Neither I nor my wife would ever consider doing either.

Blogger Mountain Man December 26, 2016 6:32 PM  

"They can suggest ideas to the left, though. That's how we got Obamacare.)"

..even worse they'll build the prototype. Obamacare is nothing short of MassHealth (aka RomneyCare) taken to the next level.
The squeaky clean, pearly white teethed, oh so conservative Romney; showed the Gay Mullato how its done.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 26, 2016 6:36 PM  

I live in the Portland Oregon area (which is supposedly full of them) and I have yet to see anyone who is recognizably transgender. I think this is an issue that the liberal-left is cooking up for no apparent reason at all.

Howdy, neighbor! You are wrong. I work with two obvious ones, and also I once had a friend who it took me awhile to realize was actually a tranny activist and introducing me to them on purpose to test how well they could pass.

(I accidentally frustrated her because they were androgynous, and I refused to use a gendered pronoun.)

Blogger Sheila4g December 26, 2016 6:37 PM  

@73 Junius Stone: "Besides, he is describing libertarianism. Conservatism is NOT about doing whatever."

Most who today LARP as libertarians are more accurately described as libertines. Neither has anything to do with even vaguely-defined conservatism, under which pure "liberty" is never an unalloyed good.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 26, 2016 6:53 PM  

@85, Vox isn't defining conservatism, conservatives -- defined as those who call themselves conservative and are recognized by most people as conservative -- are defining it. They currently define it as egalitarian, anti-racist, pro-democracy, pro-free-trade, pro-war, Israel-first, and they idolize personal liberty so highly that it's impossible for them to resist the latest radical changes of the left for long. They used to conserve the leftist advances of the last generation; they now conserve the leftist advances of last year. You can recognize today's conservative by his admiration for girl soldiers and Martin Luther King, Jr.; you will be able to recognize tomorrow's conservative by his admiration for "Caitlyn" Jenner, for the same reasons.

If you don't like their definitions or think they aren't Real Conservatives, you're welcome to argue with them, but that ship has sailed.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 26, 2016 7:05 PM  

Unless you go downtown or spend time up near Portland State, you're not in the native environment for trannies. Or maybe Portland trannies are better at their costuming than you realize.

I actually prefer the obvious ones. They're genuinely nice people. That makes sense if you think about it, because deception is evil.

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents December 26, 2016 7:20 PM  

@85 Doc Rampage

http://infogalactic.com/info/No_true_Scotsman
https://infogalactic.com/info/Cuckservative

Blogger Robert Divinity December 26, 2016 7:33 PM  

To listen to them, you'd think there are trannies in every family, every office, every school room, but in reality they barely exist at all. This isn't about them, just as it's never about the designated victim group. It's about correct-thinking whites rubbing the next perversity in the face of bad-thinking whites and feeling superior about it.

This is close. The transgender movement is cultural Marxism, wherein the SJWs initially confuse and eventually define gender and force all Wrong Thinkers to accept their definition. It's a control mechanism where the narrative is shaped to allow the Right Thinkers to determine what is male and what is female, and who appropriately uses and understands the term. It's the control that matters.

National Review and similar outlets eventually will make the case for cultural Marxism, which assumes it doesn't happen now on a regular basis.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 26, 2016 9:18 PM  

The transgender bathroom issue is just one more way for yet another minority with genned-up “rights” to stick it to the majority. And once again, the cucks at NRO have found a rationalization to abandon conservatism and cater to the leftist agenda. The issue here has nothing to do with whether use by transgenders of their preferred bathroom is harmful to others. The real issue is whether society sets up yet another excuse for irrational behavior by catering to those who refuse to acknowledge traditional standards. Traditional standards developed organically to allow people of a certain culture, religion, and race to interact optimally without endless top-down rules and regulations from the heavy hand of the state. That is the overriding concern, the only concern. In the final analysis this is all about power, and who does what to whom. Passing laws that step on tradition are all a big “FU” to traditionalists. Step by step the lefts' goal is to tear apart tradition in every aspect of life, regardless of whether it is public or private. “The personal is political” is not a libertarian ideal, it is the underlying motivation and motto of the power-mad left ever since the '60's.

Damn all transgendered so-called rights, damn all leftists in their pursuit of power, and damn NRO for its lies as it once more redefines conservatism down to irrelevance with each and every advance by the left.

Blogger stevo December 26, 2016 9:23 PM  

The good thing about conservative punditry is that it eventually led me here

Blogger Wanda Sherratt December 26, 2016 10:03 PM  

"The war is at its apex between dark and light, but the dark side's greatest weapon is the gray. The compromise. The moderation. There is no moderation or compromise between heaven and hell."

Sounds like something Dr. Johnson would have said. I remember laughing out loud at a bit of similarly twisted "conservatism" when Andrew Sullivan declared that Dr. Johnson would have been in favour of gay marriage. Seriously.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 26, 2016 10:08 PM  

Thanks to Lincoln, SCOTUS, civil rights, and the commerce clause (among others), we are all forced to bark within the echo chamber of a top-down all-intrusive federal government. And even that term “federal” has become twisted out of all recognition. Once upon a time the individual states were to serve as laboratories for any quirky policies their respective populations wanted to try. Those who didn't like whatever were free to move to another state, which was NOT forced to comply with those same quirks. And yes, one of the more important ones was that freedom of association could trump racial integration.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 26, 2016 10:38 PM  

I admit, I was wrong about Rich Lowry getting fired if Trump won. I should have remembered that law, let's see, what was it ???

SJW's always double down.

Blogger Bosefus December 27, 2016 1:25 AM  

Havin too much fun yet!!! ... Get out of the way you demoncrat clowns... we havin too much fun!!!

All the trouble started down in cell block 1... pass the dynomite. If you can't keep the beat best let go!!! Go daddy O!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS3hF3vzj90

Blogger Were-Puppy December 27, 2016 2:01 AM  

NR - gone downhill faster and faster

Blogger Doc Rampage December 27, 2016 4:13 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:@85, Vox isn't defining conservatism, conservatives -- defined as those who call themselves conservative and are recognized by most people as conservative -- are defining it. They currently define it as egalitarian, anti-racist, pro-democracy, pro-free-trade, pro-war, Israel-first,
No conservative describes conservatism as egalitarian, pro-war, or pro-Israel, and few include free trade. And you left out pro-free-market, pro-marriage, anti-abortion, anti-communist, anti-normalization of sexual deviancy, pro-religious freedom, anti-immigration, and patriotic.

Not everyone in the Republican party is conservative. You are confusing the positions of libertarians, moderate Christians, and crony capitalists with the positions of conservatives.

and they idolize personal liberty so highly that it's impossible for them to resist the latest radical changes of the left for long.

Your analysis of the situation is wrong. It is not something inherent in conservatism that changes over time; it is that older conservatives are replaced over time by younger conservatives who have been partially indoctrinated. The most you can say is that conservatives have been unsuccessful at transferring 100% their beliefs to the next generation in the face of overwhelming cultural forces and economic persecution arrayed against those beliefs.

You can recognize today's conservative by his admiration for girl soldiers and Martin Luther King, Jr.;

Nonsense. Conservatives are still opposed to women in the military and Northern conservatives always had mixed feelings about MLK Jr. All that has happened is that Southern conservatives have come around on non-discrimination.

Blogger Shimshon December 27, 2016 5:56 AM  

@101 Doc Rampage, anti-racism (which the vast majority of conservatives endorse as "conservative") is indeed egalitarian in essence.

Anonymous buybuydandavis December 27, 2016 6:57 AM  

NR takes pride in the purity of their failure

And their contempt for downscale dysfunctional white communities that "deserve to die"

They cherish being invited to Progressive Pig parties as the pigs

Blogger Zach December 27, 2016 8:12 AM  

"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes being corrected."

-- G. K. Chesterton, ILN, 4/24/1924

Blogger Cail Corishev December 27, 2016 8:52 AM  

That quote from Chesterton was one of the things that woke me up from the No True Conservative position and made me realize this isn't a momentary hijacking of conservatism by (((neocons))), but an inherent flaw that goes back at least a century. The small-town, common-sense "conservatism" of Reagan that I got hooked on in my youth during the few years it lasted was the aberration.

Anonymous Instasetting December 27, 2016 12:33 PM  

Not conservative. Libertarians again causing trouble is what this means.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 27, 2016 12:41 PM  

DocRampage's defense is really just another variant of the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy. Chesterton was right. Anything actually defended in the left's continuing onslaught of the past 150 years was an aberration or an accident. Conservatism has been a racket from the outset - they're the flam in the flim-flam who can't even conserve a woman's restroom.

Why does NRO even still exist? It should be obvious to anyone who isn't a complete moron that the whole thing is nothing more than Neo-Trotskyite "conservative" doctrine married to debt-racketeering.

Anonymous BBGKB December 27, 2016 12:56 PM  

To listen to them, you'd think there are trannies in every family, every office, every school room, but in reality they barely exist at all

They are even a minority in gay bars on drag night, but there are plenty of tranny crack hoes in Baltimore.

Anonymous Instasetting December 27, 2016 1:11 PM  

Vox is throwing red meat to midwit libertarians, and trying to sway depressed conservatives to the alt right. It's not working well other than to make me want to smite NRO.

Blogger tublecane December 27, 2016 2:50 PM  

@107-I don't think he's being fallacious. He's just wrong about conservatives. Or Conservatism, Inc., at least.

Blogger Doc Rampage December 28, 2016 1:50 AM  

Shimshon wrote:@101 Doc Rampage, anti-racism (which the vast majority of conservatives endorse as "conservative") is indeed egalitarian in essence.

Maybe we are using the word "egalitarian" differently. Conservatives are not egalitarian in the equality-of-outcome sense, but they are in the all-men-are-born-equal sense.

Blogger Doc Rampage December 28, 2016 2:12 AM  

Gen. Kong wrote:DocRampage's defense is really just another variant of the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.

Look, you guys are as capable as me of doing this simple analysis. The No True Scotsman Fallacy involves person A making a universal statement about class x, that all x are p, where the criteria for a thing being x or p are not under dispute. Person B offers a counter-example of X, a member of class x, that is not p. Person A response that regardless of the fact that X meets the previously-undisputed criteria for being an x, yet the fact that X is not p implies that X is not an x. A has committed the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

That is not the form this discussion took because I have never agreed with Vox's definition of Conservativism, nor does any other Conservative today. But it's worse than that. In this post, Vox doesn't even use his own definition. In this post, he is defining anything that is written in the National Review as Conservativism.

So this conversation actually when more like this: B find a Y that is not P and asserts without justification that Y is an x. A observes that Y is not, in fact, an x. C jeers from the peanut gallery that A has just committed the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

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