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Sunday, December 11, 2016

Cutting too close to home?

As a number of sites are reporting, both the Carlos Slim blog and the Washington Post are scrubbing their sites clean of reports of large-scale arrests in Norway related to a pedophile ring. Here is the evidence of the latter.

Archive of the Google search showing the Post article.

Archive of what the Post presently displays.

Archive of the actual Associated Press article recently scrubbed by both sites.
Norwegian police arrest 20 men in pedophile network probe
By Associated Press November 20 at 11:21 AM

HELSINKI — Norwegian police say they investigating a pedophile network suspected to involve at least 51 people, which includes the abuse of infants and at least one case of a suspect acknowledging abusing his own children.

Deputy Police Chief Gunnar Floystad says that in Norway’s largest abuse case to date they have arrested 20 men so far, with three convictions, in western Norway. The 31 other suspects are from other regions in Norway.

Floystad told reporters Sunday that many of the suspects are highly educated, and include lawyers and politicians. He said he could not reveal more details pending the conclusion of the investigation, known as “Dark Room,” which began in 2015.

Prosecutors said the perpetrators met in the dark web, using encryption and anonymity to hide their tracks.
It should be fascinating to see the Fake News attempting to claim that archive sites are the real fake news.

And now we've seen a false flag at Comet Ping Pong starring a crisis actor that has vanished from the news combined with the sudden elimination of pedophile-related arrests from the twin engines of the Washington-New York fake news bubble. Are you still confident that there is nothing at all to Pizzagate?

As for me, I'm just wondering what the over/under is on the number of pictures of Comet Ping Pong and people connected with it now in the possession of the Dark Room investigators.

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95 Comments:

Blogger mjusiq December 11, 2016 7:19 AM  

Here in Norway the news has been strangely quiet. A Google search show that the last mention of the case in major Norwegian media is 29th of November. Peculiar, as the late November news revealed there where connections to other countries and more arrests where coming up. The Police head quarter set up for this investigation are fittingly named: Ragnarock.

Blogger Lazarus December 11, 2016 7:28 AM  

Scrubbing didn't work for Lady Macbeth. I guess we will see if they have better cleaning agents now than she had back then.

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 11, 2016 7:55 AM  

The trail of dead bodies seems to be an indicator to me. Won't be surprised to see a bunch more before this thing gets exposed. Food for thought if anybody out there knows something.

Blogger Shimshon December 11, 2016 8:06 AM  

Until the Podesta emails, it was always easy to laugh off such stuff as nonsense (especially the Satanism and implications of human sacrifice -- but I'm not laughing now), but now the rabbit hole is deep beyond imagining. I've been doing some cursory reading of various cases (like Franklin, for example, and Ted Gunderson's statements) and the only reason they never gained traction is because the MSM literally did control the narrative (it helps that the authorities are usually complicit, but the media could have easily bypassed them at any time, so the blame is wholly on them for covering it up) and it was so easy to be persuaded. I would not be surprised if there is some high level connections between all the separate scandals, going back decades. Let's hope our collective efforts shine a far brighter spotlight on PizzaGate than they are able to squelch. Still, I expect nothing to happen until President-elect Trump ascends the Cherry Blossom Throne. It's clear that his team knows about it.

It's definitely spreading. Robert Wenzel just posted on it. I'm bummed Milo didn't speak about it last week.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 11, 2016 8:11 AM  

One interesting thing is that it's not a story the AP has retracted in the last 21 days since they published it, as I read yesterday and just confirmed, it's still on their site. And search for a substring, it was routinely, I assume, picked up by other entities who have an AP feed.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 11, 2016 8:22 AM  

@1: Interesting choice of name. One wonders if the police don't know a whole lot more than they are announcing. One of the biggest problems in such an investigation is that you don't want to go public with it until the entire ring can bounded up.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 11, 2016 8:22 AM  

So the term "Cheese Pizza" is code using the first letters to mean "child porn?"

And all the talk of generic pizza in the Podesta emails was probably an illusion to pornography? I didn't put much into the whole gate thing but it did strike me as odd all such talk of pizza and not mentioning specifics since people are usually quite opinionated on pizza specifics.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 8:25 AM  

I'm bummed Milo didn't speak about it last week.

Don't be. He would only hold his tongue for a good and solid reason. To be clear, I have no idea what that might be, but I trust his judgement in these matters.

Blogger The Kurgan December 11, 2016 8:33 AM  

Personally I am enraged at the fact that these pedos are not being impaled outside the Houses of Parliament / white houses / presidential palaces as

1) a civilising and instructive lesson in how to deal with pedophiles

2) a civilising and instructive warning to the current rulers

Blogger Stilicho December 11, 2016 8:36 AM  

Silence = approval for the media establishment

Blogger YIH December 11, 2016 8:37 AM  

When I first heard about #pizzagate I too had trouble accepting it. I remember all the ritual/satanic child abuse stories from the 80's which were mostly media hype for TV ratings - and #pizzagate sounds like it popped from the same mold.
But with apparently Milo and Alex Jones getting ''advised'' to steer clear of the subject I'm starting to wonder. Now this. Of course, when I first saw the Norwegian story I also had my doubts, such as the claim of 150 Terabytes of child porn - maybe 150 TB of commercial online porn of all kinds, but not of kiddie porn. Do you realize how long it would take to rummage through that many hard drives? While 1 TB drives are becoming common, that's still a lot of stuff to sort through. If I had to guess, all of Vox Populi and Alpha Game and all their comments would fit on a single TB.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 8:37 AM  

It is not the porno thing, it is the acting out if they did.

Like so many things right now everything depends on Trump. The establishment isn't going to want to tarnish itself, so they won't look into it. Trump as the upstart who has been treated badly, is with some reasonable likelihood going to want to look into it. For me right now it is not so much is there something there, but how far does it reach? Underlings fussing around or all the way up to the big shots.

Blogger Shimshon December 11, 2016 8:50 AM  

@7 Vox, I get that. We all know this is huge. Milo will certainly escalate the exposure to a whole new level. I believe it will be well-worth waiting for. Just because Michael Flynn Jr. is off the team doesn't mean they're disavowing anything. More likely, they want the optics to be agreeable to the MSM. After all, once he was gone, they stopped paying attention to them.

They really are like the Bugblatter Beast of Trall. A little silence and now they think that President-elect Trump is no longer a concern on the matter. If they continued to pay attention to Flynn Jr. or started to ask the remaining team members whether or not they were PizzaGaters like him, that would backfire spectacularly and immediately.

Blogger Shimshon December 11, 2016 8:58 AM  

@10 The difference between PizzaGate and McMartin is that with the former, everything has originated from simple assumed-private emails, while the latter involved a tremendous amount of leading questioning and young children.

Also, the Franklin Scandal, which I had never heard of until recently, was contemporary, quite real, and also likely involved actual Satanic practices, along with extremely powerful figures (GHWB has been named as being present multiple times) from some of what I've read. Just like PizzaGate.

One recent post I saw showed the exact same embedded heart and hand logo from the Tirasol site on many other sites, usually having to do with helping abused kids and the like. Not a similar logo. A pixel-perfect copy. I think several dozen instances. Orgs all over the US.

Blogger Shimshon December 11, 2016 9:08 AM  

The way I see it, Milo? -> Breitbart -> Drudge Siren -> buy lamppost maker stocks.

My guess is something solid is coming. Until then, no one big enough to break this can really say anything, even about Podesta and the other pizza lovers. Even the FBI must have some decent people who know and will not tolerate the ongoing existence of such horror. There is no way everyone is on board with this. Plenty of people have given their lives over decades to bring these stories to light.

Anonymous Man of the Atom December 11, 2016 9:15 AM  

YIH wrote:If I had to guess, all of Vox Populi and Alpha Game and all their comments would fit on a single TB.

4 kilobytes of ASCII is about 300 words (one page) of text. JPG or PNG of 1280 x 1024 is ~1 megabyte depending on resolution (say 300 dpi).

Yes, that's a LOT of material to sift through.

Blogger Dave December 11, 2016 9:15 AM  

@10 YIH that's just the tip of the iceberg. Over 18 months ago the Laissez Faire Today newsletter (see excerpt below) wrote about the Dark Net, and if they knew this stuff then obviously all the alphabet soup agencies have known and tracked it for years.


THREE: CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IMAGES

The Deep Web is swimming in sick pedophiliacs. Sites like Hard Candy, Jailbait, Lolita City, PedoEmpire, and Love Zone offers… well you know.

Another site, called The Family Album, says in plain view it offers “exclusive private child sex material by the members.” It’s basically a YouTube of child sexual abuse.

E-books are also for sale with titles like Producing Kiddie Porn for Dummies and How to Practice Child Love.

“The volume of these activities is startling,” Goodman says. “Just one Dark Web site alone has more than twenty-seven thousand registered pedophile members in its forums. Moreover, the National Guard for Missing and Exploited Children examines nearly twenty million child sexual abuse images annually, a 4,000% increase since 2007.

“Law enforcement sources report that 19 percent of pedophiles have sexual abuse images of children younger than three years old, 39 percent younger than six years old, and 83 percent younger than twelve years old. Across the Dark Web, experienced pedophiles teach one another how to evade law enforcement authorities and discuss encryption and anonymity techniques to avoid detection online.”

Blogger Otto Lamp December 11, 2016 9:18 AM  

Sexual indiscretions have been used to control the powerful for centuries, but in today's anything-goes sexual world, the only taboo sexual practice left is pedophilia.

Viewed from that perspective, it's not only believable, but almost certain that pedophilia rings have been set up to entrap influential people.

Jeffery Epstein recorded the sessions, instructed the underage person to ask certain questions, and conducted post even interviews with the underage person. This is documented by court documents. Do we think no one else has tried this?

There's a reason Epstein got off with a slap on the wrist--he knew the secrets of the powerful.

There's a reason the MSM is burying this--somebody knows their secrets.

Anonymous CloseHauled December 11, 2016 9:23 AM  

Viewed from that perspective, it's not only believable, but almost certain that pedophilia rings have been set up to entrap influential people.

pedophilia is key to elite grip on power.



Blogger Dave December 11, 2016 9:23 AM  

WARNING: VERY DISTURBING

More from newsletter mentioned in @16

SIX: LIVE CHILD RAPE

OK. This is where it gets really stomach-churning. I debated on whether or not to include this section… but decided that you need to know what’s happening. Despite how it might make you feel.

I’ll let Goodman take this one in full:

“Like Dante’s Inferno, the Dark Web has its own ninth circle of hell, and here is where you will find the most abominable acts of violence against the youngest and most vulnerable members of our society.

“In a deeply disturbing report issued by Europol -- the European Union’s police agency -- law enforcement officials noted the growing number of underground Web sites now providing live-streaming videos of the abuse and rape of children.

“Crime, Inc. and pedophile networks are actually organizing pay-per-view child rape on demand. Organized criminal networks in Asia in particular provide pedophiles with the ability to connect live via Tor to video feeds with built-in messaging functions where users around the world can direct the rapists who have abducted the children to carry out specific acts of abuse.

“Yes, nauseatingly, they do take requests. In one incident investigated by police, those connecting via Tor could order a group of men to rape an eight-year-old girl, directing their actions in real time, all for about $100. Because these activities take place on the Dark Web and because the video images are streamed instead of downloaded, evidence to prove the crimes is not recorded anywhere, save for in the permanent and traumatic memories of the victims who survive the depraved brutality of their fellow man.”

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 11, 2016 9:25 AM  

Burn the swamp.

Blogger Otto Lamp December 11, 2016 9:25 AM  

How many years did Rotherham stories percolate in the alt media until it broke through?

And even now, it still isn't as big as it should have been. I'd wager most people have heard of the Catholic priest molestation story, but a minority have even heard of Rotherham, much less understand it.

Blogger Shimshon December 11, 2016 9:30 AM  

@19 There is no way they can let these kids live after such ongoing trauma. The vast majority are probably damaged beyond hope. A few they would probably keep and groom. Ted Gunderson is quoted as saying 4000 children are sacrificed in NYC every year. Six weeks ago I would've laughed. I'm not laughing now.

Blogger Dave December 11, 2016 9:38 AM  

@22 There are human and human organ trafficking rings on the Dark Net where most of these children end up. The following helps to understand the scale:

Most people will never see the “other” Internet Goodman speaks of. Most people will never want to, either. According to Goodman, it goes by many names: “the Deep Web, the Dark Net, the Secret Web, the digital underground, and the Invisible Internet, to name a few.”

Whatever you want to call it, it’s vast. In fact, according to one study conducted at Berkeley in 2003, the Deep Web is 550 times larger than the Web you use today. The Deep Web weighed in at 91,850 terabytes of information compared to the Googleable 167 terabytes. (One terabyte equals a thousand, billion bytes. Or 1,000 gigabytes.)

And get this: Google doesn’t even scratch the surface of the Surface Web. According to one study published by Nature, Google indexes less than 16% of the Surface Web and none of the Deep Web. Meaning, Google, in all its glory, only makes up less than one percent of the information that exists on the Internet.

Searching the Web with Google, Goodman says, “is akin to only fishing across the top two feet of the world’s vast oceans. But like a Russian matryoshka doll, nested within the Deep Web is another hidden world, a smaller but significant community where malicious actors unite in common purpose for ill.”

Blogger Cinco December 11, 2016 9:39 AM  

and because the video images are streamed instead of downloaded, evidence to prove the crimes is not recorded anywhere, save for in the permanent and traumatic memories of the victims who survive the depraved brutality of their fellow man.”

It's amazing how technologically illiterate people are still. I mean recording streaming.... C'mon man!

Blogger Deadmau5 Patton December 11, 2016 9:48 AM  

if "the powers that be" are burying these stories in an attempt to make people forget, they really don't understand the paradigm we're living in. even normies that i talk to are starting to become skeptics and lose trust specifically because of the disappearance of important news

Blogger Bodo Staron December 11, 2016 9:49 AM  

The news stories in the German papers are still there. But also nothing news. I assume they will now work behind the scenes to get the remaining culprits arrested. Maybe that's why they scrubbed the stories?

A couple of years ago a so called "Neo Nazi" murder trio came to the scene in Germany. Only the woman of the trio is on trial, the men are dead. It's a total fraud but that's a different story. What is interesting:
1. The head of the inquiry into the failures of the intelligence services regarding this NSU in the Bundestag was caught with child porn.
2. A lead investigator at the BKA (German FBI) was also caught with child porn and made to quietly retire.

Blogger Ben Cohen December 11, 2016 10:08 AM  

Bring back the guillotine for these monsters and anyone that covered up their crimes. This is pure evil.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 11, 2016 10:13 AM  

When Comey reopened the investigation a week before the election, the rumor was that his hand was forced by a rank-and-file revolt within the department, and possibly by the NYPD threatening to go forward with their own investigation. We never got a better explanation why the guy who protected Hillary in the past would have done that at that time.

When he shut it down a few days later, I think most of us assumed Clinton loyalists within the FBI had won the battle. That wasn't surprising, because nearly everyone expected Hillary to win and be able to take heads after the election. So they bottled it up and did their best to portray Comey's act as a partisan attack and throw the whole thing down the memory hole.

But if the rumors were near the truth, then the dissension in the ranks of the cops is still there, as is the evidence that forced Comey's hand. It's not hard to see why they would wait until Jan. 21 to push forward, now that Trump has won. The Clinton circle will still have considerable power after that day; and there may be many powerful people inside media, law enforcement, and other parts of society who are equally desperate to hide their own involvement. But they'll be a lot less powerful after Trump starts replacing Obama's people, so it makes sense to wait.

Waiting is dangerous, because so many cases like this have seemed to big to cover up at first, and then they just faded away. But the civilian investigation shows no sign of slowing down, so a cover-up seems less likely this time around. I don't think anyone's going to forget about this in the next month and a half, and they'll have to escalate their efforts far beyond whitewashing their own sites to stop it.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 10:17 AM  

Cinco wrote:and because the video images are streamed instead of downloaded, evidence to prove the crimes is not recorded anywhere, save for in the permanent and traumatic memories of the victims who survive the depraved brutality of their fellow man.”

It's amazing how technologically illiterate people are still. I mean recording streaming.... C'mon man!


Worst case, film the screen with the cellphone. We really need to have the authorities look into pizzagate, but let's not let our imaginations run wild.

Blogger BassmanCO December 11, 2016 10:22 AM  

@ Ben Cohen

The guillotine is too nice. Break their ankles and let their victims take turns carving them up. I know it's not Christian, but I think they should be made to suffer at least as much as the kids.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 10:23 AM  

Waiting is dangerous,...

Dangerous but necessary, can't be helped. Right now we don't so much have rats leaving a sinking ship as rats scurrying around, perhaps to show Trump that they are willing to go along and don't have to be dismissed.

The whole election thing is set up for a time when transportation and communication were slow. Thus we have all these long and dangerous waiting periods.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 11, 2016 10:37 AM  

"Because these activities take place on the Dark Web and because the video images are streamed instead of downloaded, evidence to prove the crimes is not recorded anywhere, "

It's safe to assume the broadcasters are recording much of it at least for a while, so they can sell the "best" videos later. Storage is cheap. Bust someone, at either end of the process, and you'll have plenty of recorded evidence.

Blogger John S December 11, 2016 10:38 AM  

David Seaman's youtube channel has some interesting info and analysis on #pizzagate. Interesting in that it's coming from a pretty basic-bitch shitlib who seems to be waking up to how shit really works. Getting booted from HuffPo over #pizzagate coverage seems to have been quite the eye-opener for him.

Dude's been on Joe Rogan's podcast more than half a dozen times over the years (I can't tolerate Rogan's leftist tendencies anymore, but I listened for years- he gets podcast downloads in the millions), so he has a good bit of reach. I hope he can spread the info to the leftist segment of the internet. Perhaps they'll be more amenable to giving it a look if it comes from one of their own.

Anonymous 12/11 December 11, 2016 11:10 AM  

These people have been caught red handed in the past and nothing happened but cover-up. It's worse than I could imagine:

Here's examples - notice the same cover-up patterns then as we see today (even Russian blaming!). All involve high level connections to politicians, etc.

Dutroux case (The Pedophocracy by David McGowan):
www.whale.to/b/pedophocracy.html
--Live victims in torture dungeons, bodies, videotapes, pictures. No trial for 8 years, Dutroux allowed to escape (clean up his network).

Zandervoort Case:
www.voat.co/v/pizzagate/1439025
--Whistleblower finds damning evidence, turns it into police (publicly), then finds himself imprinsoned, denied cancer treatment, and released only under a gag order.

We have the internet now, but so do the criminals. They're much better at covering up than they were in 90's.

Blogger YIH December 11, 2016 11:22 AM  

Johnny wrote:Waiting is dangerous,...

Dangerous but necessary, can't be helped. Right now we don't so much have rats leaving a sinking ship as rats scurrying around, perhaps to show Trump that they are willing to go along and don't have to be dismissed.

The whole election thing is set up for a time when transportation and communication were slow. Thus we have all these long and dangerous waiting periods.

The other reason investigators need to take their time is if they move too fast they risk a debacle like the McMartin case - which fell apart years later but after all the damage was done to both the accused and the so-called victims.
That said, my guess is the 150 TB (another example is a movie DVD is ~3.5-4.5 GB, 150 TB would equal ~35,000-40,000 DVDs) i'd say it was like a drug bust where the police display a kilo or two and claim ''with a street value of $50 million''. If you get real creative with the math, yeah it works, but it's very exaggerated.
Worse, in Norway, even if prosecuted and sentenced prison isn't exactly harsh, look at Brevik.

Anonymous MIG December 11, 2016 11:35 AM  

Why are my comments deleted? I tried to give a valuable link to a Pizzagate case in Finland.

Anonymous MIG December 11, 2016 11:41 AM  

OK, this last comment didn't get deleted. Maybe it's because of the link.

google: "The International Reporter""Assassination Of Finnish Reporters Investigating Bizarre “Pizzagate” Plot Puzzles Russia"

Blogger John S December 11, 2016 11:45 AM  

Yep, my last Dutroux related post disappeared as well. But it didn't have any links in it, on purpose. Will repost once more, then take the hint...

Blogger John S December 11, 2016 11:53 AM  

I stumbled over another site with copious (and footnoted) extra material about the Marc  Dutroux pedophile scandal. Here's a bit from the introduction:

"What you have to understand, John, is that sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful, with so much at stake for other people or institutions, that you cannot do anything about them, no matter how evil or wrong they are and no matter how dedicated or sincere you are or how much evidence you have. This is simply one of the hard facts of life you have to face."

~
Former CIA director, Cercle member and Opus Dei sympathizer William Colby giving advice to his friend Senator John DeCamp, urging him to cease his investigation into the Franklin child abuse affair and to write a book about his experiences ('The Franklin Coverup', 2nd edition, foreword).

This site has extremely graphic descriptions of what actually went on, based on victim statements, including some censored images. I'm NOT going to link to it. If you want, I'll email it directly to you Vox, and you can make the decision.

And:

"Imagine, everywhere you hear that story about a blackmail dossier in which organizations of the extreme right are in the possession of pictures and videos on which a number of prominent people in and around Brussels have sex with young girls; minors it is said. The existence of this dossier has always been vehemently denied. Until it was proven that testimonies and videos of this affair indeed were in the possession of the police services. An officer of the judicial police (Marnette, H.G.) denied the existence of these videos, while afterwards this person's superior admitted that they did exist, that they were kept with the judicial police in Brussels, but that they were completely worthless. Strange, because this stuff needs to be deposited with the registrar and not be kept in the possession of some police service. Subsequently, examining magistrate Jean-Marie Schlicker confirms that this dossier does indeed exist, but that he wishes not to give any testimonies about it. The at first non-existing dossier turns out to exist. The videos without substance then turn out to be interesting enough after all to be handed over to the examining magistrate tasked with the investigation into the Gang of Nijvel. But this person subsequently is afraid to testify about that! What do you think that has been going on here?"

~
September 1989, Congressman Hugo Coveliers, secretary of the special investigating committee tasked with evaluating the way gangsterism and terrorism is combated in Belgium (1988-1990), to Humo magazine (1990, Hugo Gijsels, 'De Bende & Co', pp. 133-134). Coveliers became a senator in 1995.

These scum deserve a slooooow death.

If legal concerns about me posting these quotes are a problem, just say so and I'll stop posting this. I'm assuming a glitch at the moment, but I don't wish to cause you trouble.

Anonymous MIG December 11, 2016 11:53 AM  

Oh, wow, my second post on "false memories" got deleted. What is going on? A bug? Or purposeful? If purposeful, then why? I haven't violated any rules.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy December 11, 2016 11:57 AM  

In the late 1970s there was a child serial killer working the Metro Detroit area, named the Oakland County Child Killer.

Part of the investigation turned up a social and media network of very wealthy and powerful people. Tier one auto supplier and high level finance family members.

Part of the network was Brother Paul's Childrens Mission. There were magazines and video exchanges. There was a private resort island in a Great Lake (South Fox Island) which was a studio and sex location for using young boys. Powerful men were being given sole fostership of young boys, and were placed on the boards of very ritzy private schools.

Once the proof was forced into public gaze the major TV stations and papers spiked the story, but some minor papers kept publishing and forced prosecution action.

However, the court files for the search and arrest warrants were accidentally closed before they were served, and by the time it was noticed the men involved had destroyed the materials and left the country.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 11:58 AM  

Back when the McMartin case was going on the daytime TV was huffing and puffing on child abuse stuff. The whole thing was a study in faulty methods in an unhealthy environment.

It is a suggestion thing. Suggest child abuse to hundreds of mothers, have them start the interrogation, follow up with faulty interrogations by SJW types, and numerous stories of child abuse will magically appear. Children and some adults are easy to lead along on this stuff.

Anonymous MIG December 11, 2016 12:01 PM  

@42 I no longer believe the narrative about suggestible parents and kids brainwashed into false memories.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 11, 2016 12:18 PM  

@40 Mine get deleted all the time, too, even though I perceive them to be pertinent and not combative, and in keeping with the general alt-right zeitgeist. Hard to plead at this point that I don't believe myself to be a special snowflake, but I now think there's an underlying personality conflict somewhere with the content filter-ers.

Of course, I would instantly discard that suspicion if I could just once and for all get a full and complete explanation for what's happening.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 12:22 PM  

MIG wrote:@42 I no longer believe the narrative about suggestible parents and kids brainwashed into false memories.

This is one of those areas that is hard to test because there is a limit in the kind of experimentation that can be done with the general public.

It really should not be called the power of suggestion. Not so much that people remember things falsely, but the ease with which people can be led to believe something that is not true. To give an example in another area, publish false news with regard to a disease that is going around and what the symptoms are, and the next thing you know people will turn up with those symptoms.

My take is that you can get reliable information from children, but the interviewer has to be very careful to not lead them on.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 11, 2016 12:30 PM  

Somehow this doesn't get enough focus, so here goes again: We currently have the greatest episode of child abuse in all of human history going on today along the southern border of the United States. For over a year now thousands and thousands of unaccompanied minors have been sent to penetrate our border illegally.

That is some rough country, it is no place to be sending children alone. Add in rough, criminal actors who de facto run northern Mexico. Kids are turning up dead in the desert, kids are disappearing, kids are being strapped to the outsides of trains and hauled through the Mexican countryside. It's insane.

What does it all mean that this has been allowed to happen for well over a year now? And that it gets such scant coverage from our so-called investigative press? I can't help conclude that at the highest levels, in at least two governments and in the press organs of our countries, something quite sinister is afoot. This activity is being encouraged, and the public is being misdirected about the seriousness of it all.

And, again, it is the single greatest episode of child abuse in human history. The scale of it is massive.

Blogger Shimshon December 11, 2016 12:30 PM  

Just listened to this Ted Gunderson talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BplUD6kQYuU

He mentions McMartin and Ray Buckey (who was never acquitted) in particular at one point. Claims that further investigation by him revealed that tunnels did indeed exist underneath the school that were filled in.

At this point, I have a hard time doubting anything, no matter how outlandish or "discredited" regarding pedophilia and Satanism. They are literal and complete psychopaths. Pure narcisism. Zero empathy. Totally Machiavellian. Undoubtedly many are extremely intelligent and charismatic and are drawn to positions of power, and doing everything they can to prevent themselves and their fellow sickos from being discovered or investigated properly. Probably successful in Stockholm syndroming enough victims to perpetuate their cult. The rest they sacrifice.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 12:49 PM  

Of course, I would instantly discard that suspicion if I could just once and for all get a full and complete explanation for what's happening.

You get spam-trapped consistently. I don't know if you were previously prone to poop-touching or if it has to do with some other Google site on which you comment.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 12:51 PM  

Back when the McMartin case was going on the daytime TV was huffing and puffing on child abuse stuff.

The tunnels were real.

Anonymous b December 11, 2016 12:55 PM  

VD,

Why not refer to WaPo as the Jeff Bezos blog like you do the NYT with Slim?

Anonymous MIG December 11, 2016 1:02 PM  

@44, @48 I hardly comment anywhere on the internet. I feel compelled to comment on this blog in pizza topics because the whole revelation touched me to the bone marrow, and I can't stop thinking about it. I don't see how I could have "picked something up" from just reading. I don't open any images either. I don't want to see anything I can't unsee.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 1:04 PM  

Why not refer to WaPo as the Jeff Bezos blog like you do the NYT with Slim?

Because a joke isn't funny the second time.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 11, 2016 1:23 PM  

Comment deletion is happening to me too. Considering this is literally the only site I comment at online (using any identity. The one here is obviously a pseudonym), it would appear to be related to comment content, particularly if it has certain keywords or includes links. The comment that was deleted last night was a link to a newspaper article about Milo, in which the headline posited whether he was a Neo-Nazi.

Blogger Thucydides December 11, 2016 1:27 PM  

While the suggestions that this is some sort of pedophillia ring are truly disgusting, you should also keep in mind that using coded language could be for any other number of illegal or questionable actions as well.

Money laundering comes to mind (carrying around big bags of Clinton cash isn't the smartest way to go about doing your business), as well as drug trafficking (so many people are addicted to everything from painkillers to cocaine or meth) or even "ordinary" crime like insider trading.

Investigating Pizzagate is worthwhile for that reason alone.

Anonymous Icicle December 11, 2016 1:28 PM  

I'm going to post this since since after reading though all the other comments, no one has a clue.

There's a step past "normal" images, it is called "hurtcore." One of the men involved was a pedophile named Peter Scully. He is an Australian who filmed his abuse in the Philippines and was later arrested.

Real life Freddy Krueger stuff.

The newspapers sometimes do cover hurtcore, but you'll mostly find it overseas such as in England. I don't think I've seen it mentioned in media in the United States.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 11, 2016 1:37 PM  

It's not just a few commenters, or the comment content either. The spam eater is just plain hungrier on this blog lately.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 11, 2016 1:39 PM  

Incidentally, two of my follow-up comments last night after my initial comment was nixed were also deleted. In those comments I only asked why my comment had been deleted, so there was nothing even remotely spammy. Initially I thought maybe I had been spammed because I tend use donaldjtrump.com as my site URL, but even when I switched to my wordpress identity they got removed.

Anonymous MIG December 11, 2016 1:43 PM  

The lowest levels of hell in Dante's Inferno are reserved for liars, fraudsters, and trators. These people go lower than those who commit violence. And this makes sense, given that they destroy the very fabric of society, which is founded on trust, cooperation, and social contract. This is why I believe that the journalists who lied and covered up McMartin's tunnels are even more guilty than the perpetrators themselves and should receive stiffer punishment. People who work for the press and lie to us purposefully are trators.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 11, 2016 1:45 PM  

Why not refer to WaPo as the Jeff Bezos blog like you do the NYT with Slim?

Because a joke isn't funny the second time.


@52 VD
Looks like you actually did already on the post about Tillerson. Humor or lack thereof aside, getting people to think of them as private "blogs" rather than newspapers helps strip away whatever little legitimacy they may still retain. A good counterattack to their constant bleating about "fake news".

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 11, 2016 1:56 PM  

Icicle @55, yeah that's been commented on here. As well as comments about other dark subjects that swirl around, such as cannibalistic subjects, which appear in spades around Pizzagate, Podesta and his coterie of favorite artists.

Anonymous Icicle December 11, 2016 2:00 PM  

yeah that's been commented on here.

No.

Blogger bkm ( wut is the great flaw in the Alt-R? too many chiefs, insufficient Injuns. good thing Vox Day is the Little Injun That Could pull that fine train. { Vox Gayness intensifies } ) December 11, 2016 2:28 PM  

1. mjusiq December 11, 2016 7:19 AM
Peculiar, as the late November news revealed there where connections to other countries and more arrests where coming up.



the first once or twice, that's "peculiar".

after you pay attention to these things for a while, you notice that it's a regular feature of these stories.

news media reports that police / prosecuters are busting a large pedophile ring wide open, *lots of materials being traded*, may be connections to powerful people and then ... everything just kind of trails off and all the reporters stop talking about it.

this went on with the Pedophile Information Exchange ( PIE in England ) scandal, that European child murder scandal ( Belgium? ), David Asimov, the Barney Frank child prostitution ring, the Franklin scandal, etc, etc.

which raises an even more concerning question:
just HOW MANY of these fuckers are there, that they can almost always divert the investigation and / or the trial into the hands of "friendly" prosecutors and judges?

as with the Asimov case, that judge specifically made rulings to make it IMPOSSIBLE for the prosecutor to apply pressure to Asimov so that they could run down at least the people who had originally made the movies / materials that Asimov was copying and selling retail.

we can see, simply from the few things that DO make it into the news that the cover up on this is widespread and highly coordinated.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 11, 2016 2:40 PM  

@61. I think most of us just assumed it. It's a pretty obvious follow up to rape, with cannibalism being the slightly less obvious but more symbolic follow up.

Blogger RobertT December 11, 2016 2:59 PM  

All the links provided are suspiciously "blocked due to content filtering". Just for the record, not due to poop touching, but, because we do most of our transactions over the internet and seem to get more than our fair share of trojans, our IT company has us on high alert for that stuff.

Blogger Stilicho December 11, 2016 3:26 PM  

Well, we can all forget about pizzagate: Andrew Klavan assures it's all fake ( and probably just Russian propaganda).

Anonymous Eric the Red December 11, 2016 3:54 PM  

You get spam-trapped consistently. I don't know if you were previously prone to poop-touching or if it has to do with some other Google site on which you comment.

You've indicated this before. However, I fail to see the difference between my comments versus others who do respond to the same postings. Nor have I ever seen any definition of what exactly constitutes trolls (whom I know how to recognized) versus some other critique on various topics. And BTW, who exactly is spam-trapping me? An editor on this blog, or the Disqus s/r?

All of that is where I have never had, and still do not have, a complete explanation. Thank you for your time in this regard.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 11, 2016 4:00 PM  

Eric the Red wrote:. And BTW, who exactly is spam-trapping me? An editor on this blog, or the Disqus s/r?
Blogger has it's own comment system, which Vox Popoli uses. It also has it's own spam detection algorithm. One aspect is that it counts all comment deletions as spam activity, so when Matthew or Markku deletes Tad, Log or Tiny Tim and the replies to them, that is what usually triggers the spam filter here. I'm sure there are other parameters, but, understandably, Google doesn't list them.

Blogger Doc Rampage December 11, 2016 4:05 PM  

MIG wrote:@42 I no longer believe the narrative about suggestible parents and kids brainwashed into false memories.

I do. The children told the stories you would expect to get from children after asking leading questions. This is really gross to talk about, but I think it's important to make the point: many of the children claimed that knives had been inserted into their anus, but there was no physical evidence that had happened. What story is a child who knows nothing about sodomy going to make up when an adult asks, "did he put anything in there?" The kid knows the adult wants something bad, so what would be really bad?

I always thought those trials were a modern witch hunt, but now I'm starting to wonder if they were a vaccine. Someone was worried about the kind of exposure we are seeing now, and so they wanted to vaccinate the public against believing those stories.

This explains why Janet Reno got so hugely rewarded for actions that were at best ridiculous, and at worse damaging to the Democrats. She was not the hysterical witch hunter she pretended to be, rather she was following orders and persecuting those people deliberately.

Blogger VD December 11, 2016 4:25 PM  

All of that is where I have never had, and still do not have, a complete explanation. Thank you for your time in this regard.

You will never, ever get one from me. It's not my system. I don't understand why you keep bringing it up and looking for answers here. There are none to be found.

Blogger Doc Rampage December 11, 2016 4:39 PM  

Eric the Red wrote:And BTW, who exactly is spam-trapping me?

Eric, I believe that by "spam trapped" Vox mean that your comments were spammed by Google's automatic filters, not by a human. Vox can't tell you why that is happening.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 11, 2016 4:52 PM  

65. Stilicho December 11, 2016 3:26 PM
Well, we can all forget about pizzagate: Andrew Klavan assures it's all fake ( and probably just Russian propaganda).



which is pretty much a guarantee that ((( Andrew Klavan ))) [ friend of Bill Whittle ] is in on it.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 11, 2016 5:08 PM  

68. Doc Rampage December 11, 2016 4:05 PM
many of the children claimed that knives had been inserted into their anus, but there was no physical evidence that had happened.



can you see your butt?

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin December 11, 2016 5:12 PM  

This is yet another ominous development. I’m not a high I.Q. analytical type by any stretch, but when it comes to what might be called “woo” I’ve always had a finely tuned antenna. Looking back I think the traffic lights began turning blue at the time of The Fappening, in of itself not huge event but since then it’s been one revelation after another, with rising levels of general strangeness. For me it’s long past the point of amusement and titillation, and I’ve been hoping that Trump’s victory might signal some sort of culmination, and that things would begin to settle down. But now I’m sensing there’s still more in the offing. Not good.

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 6:37 PM  

bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } wrote:68. Doc Rampage December 11, 2016 4:05 PM

many of the children claimed that knives had been inserted into their anus, but there was no physical evidence that had happened.


can you see your butt?


Inserting a knife in an anus causes a very serious wound that will kill the victim in the absence of medical care. The likely treatment would likely involve rerouting the intestine into an external stoma, along with other major medical procedures. All this is going to be expensive, extensive, and draw all kinds of attention to the child.

People who are ready to go along with any kind of BS make child abuse more likely because it undermines credible clames.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 11, 2016 6:48 PM  

"The tunnels were real"

Yes, so were the anal and vaginal gonnorrhea.

"False Memory Syndrome"

There is a _very_ special place in hell for the people who conjured up this psycho-babble. Not surprisingly, we find that Ralph Underwager, James Randi and many others on the False Memory Syndrome Foundation are pedofucks themselves or enthusiastic supporters.

Blogger tublecane December 11, 2016 6:58 PM  

@43-One thing about the plague of dubious child sexual abuse cases in the 80s and 90s was that little corroborative evidence was thought to be needed because the "experts" told investigators, prosecutors, judges, and juries that "kids don't lie about sex." Which is of course ridiculous.

It's plausible to think that kids wouldn't normally have an encyclopedic knowledge of adult body parts and sex positions/acts. Then you find out the witnesses were coached by social workers, therapists, and the state, and it makes more sense. Not that juries or the supposed victims' parents necessarily got to know about that.

Another thing is the entire idea of repressed memory is B.S., like much of psychology.

Blogger tublecane December 11, 2016 7:03 PM  

That's not to say the evidence wasn't out there in cases where there actually was abuse, nor that Pizzagate or any of the other conspiracies floating around aren't real. It's just that for a time there was hysteria in our country that pushed aside normal rules for due process and a jury's standard for beyond a reasonable doubt. Very little evidence was thought necessary, for whatever reason.

If there's evidence out there for Pizza and other gates, by gum let it come to light!

Blogger tublecane December 11, 2016 7:15 PM  

@76-If False Memory Syndrome is psychobabble, it's used to fight other psychobabble. So you have to side with psychiatrists either way. Either they're planted memories or they're "repressed memories."

Blogger Rusty Fife December 11, 2016 7:37 PM  

Johnny wrote:

can you see your butt?


Inserting a knife in an anus causes a very serious wound that will kill the victim in the absence of medical care.


You didn't answer the question.

Can you see your butt?

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 8:23 PM  

Can you see your butt?

Hey, you go first. Can you see yours?

Blogger Johnny December 11, 2016 8:30 PM  

One thing about the plague of dubious child sexual abuse cases in the 80s and 90s... Then you find out the witnesses were coached by social workers,...

If I remember correctly, in the big California case they even had one of the investigators admit that she coached the kids. A real SJW type, her excuse was a kind of vague notion that all men needed to be punished.

Around the same time they were real hot on rape charges for a while and produced some really malicious prosecutions.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 11, 2016 8:39 PM  

Johnny wrote:Can you see your butt?

Hey, you go first. Can you see yours?


No.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 11, 2016 8:40 PM  

Johnny wrote:Can you see your butt?

Hey, you go first. Can you see yours?


Now answer the question.

Blogger haus frau December 11, 2016 9:03 PM  

@75 johnny,
Sexually activity might feel like a knife in the butt to a young child. A childs perception of an event is very different from an adults so i wouldnt outright discount it. have read enough about this case that I don't believe it to be completely hysteria based. The tunnels were real. Coaching fantastical claims could be used to mask real abuse.

Blogger John S December 11, 2016 9:08 PM  

Sigh... Dude, imagine being a very young kid, secured so you can't squirm away. Perhaps with tape like the the comet ping pong pix? You know what comes next... But the kid can't see through himself to what EXACTLY is being done to his posterior by an adult male. You think maybe he'd describe the pain as if it were a knife?

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 11, 2016 9:19 PM  

75. Johnny December 11, 2016 6:37 PM
Inserting a knife in an anus causes a very serious wound



no shit, Sherlock. you could insert something a great deal more obtuse than a knife ( like your brain ) and still cause horrendous damage.

i wasn't disputing that.


82. Johnny December 11, 2016 8:30 PM
If I remember correctly, in the big California case they even had one of the investigators admit that she coached the kids. A real SJW type, her excuse was a kind of vague notion that all men needed to be punished.



whether your specific instance is correct or not is somewhat irrelevant. i personally know a family which was falsely accused by a school nurse of incest because the father was a very handsy guy who would give people neck rubs. he walked up behind me and started giving me a neck rub while i was CAD drafting on multiple occasions. he gave neck rubs to practically everybody in the office ... and we were all adult men.

the father was forced to live in an apt and wasn't permitted to see his family without "counselors" present for almost a year, even after the accusation was proven AND RULED to be without basis.


it turned out that the nurse had a history of false sex assault accusations and that she kept getting fired over these accusations but that no previous school would inform future prospective employers WHY she wasn't working for them anymore.

the court ordered family separation and therapy was 'required' because families which have no history of incest, but which are accused, then often fall into incestuous practices. that's what the court said, anyways.

the last paragraph there is related to my "butt" question.

see if you can figure it out, bright eyes.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 11, 2016 9:28 PM  

86. John S December 11, 2016 9:08 PM
You think maybe he'd describe the pain as if it were a knife?



you're dealing with 5 and younger kids. how many of them are really cognizant of what a "knife to the anus" really means?

imagine a sociopath in this scenario:
1 - you kidnap a child
2 - part of your 'enjoyment' of the situation is the creation of terror on the part of the child. the greater the torment, the better
3 - you show the child a knife
4 - you tell them you're going to shove that knife up their ass
5 - you do *something* very painful to their ass

what does the child "know" and how will they testify under future questioning?

Anonymous BGKB December 11, 2016 10:07 PM  

I have had several posts eaten also.

Anonymous @TheHardRight December 12, 2016 9:58 AM  

Neera Tanden just responded to a tweet of mine to Megyn Kelly about her upcoming interview with Alefantis. They're bringing out the heavy hitters. I wasn't even tweeting at Neera nor does she follow me.

https://twitter.com/thehardright/status/808314927148658689

Anonymous @TheHardRight December 12, 2016 10:35 AM  

Never mind. Neera parody account...I'm an idiot.

Anonymous Noah Baudie December 13, 2016 12:50 AM  

I have been following Pizzagate, at least as much as I can stand, and I really do not know what to think. I don't want to believe that powerful people would be so openly, so arrogantly abusing children, and would openly use what law enforcement everywhere knows to be symbols that pedophiles use to signal to one another. I want to believe it's coincidences and mass hysteria and badly chosen logo design, though it also seems impossible to me that the cops wouldn't investigate quite thoroughly if the person in charge weren't so wealthy and connected, instead of issuing an immediate blanket statement that absolutely nothing is amiss here, there's absolutely nothing to see here, move along citizens, don't gawk, everyone shut up and smile real big and pretend nothing's wrong.

I don't claim any inside knowledge. It seems surreal to me. I don't want to think that it's plausible. But it's worrisome to me, as much as anything for the shrill denials emanating from the usual suspects. There was a Larry Niven short story from 40 or 50 years ago that started out, "I knew the aliens were real when the National Enquirer said they were fake." I don't know what to believe. As @74 has noted, in the past several years we have been bombarded with more and more bizarre things. I have said jokingly that I sometimes think we've all been living in The Onion for the past fifteen years or thereabouts. I don't know what to believe any more. Every time I go to the Internet to read the news, I'm bombarded with more than I can readily take in, much less analyze--probably more than I could readily take in if I quit my job and devoted my entire waking life to it. I don't know what to think about any of it. I suspect that a great deal, maybe even more than half, of what is presented to us as "news" is propaganda, agitprop, lies and bullshit. Perhaps we're supposed to. Perhaps it's all supposed to leave us confused and not knowing what, if anything, we can believe. That's a tactic the Left loves--central to Cultural Bolshevism is the idea of "smashing" social capital and "cultural hegemony" by making people unable to believe one another or trust one another.

I don't know what to think of it all, but the possibility that "Pizzagate" might be true horrifies me. Shrill denials from "gatekeepers of journalism" do not convince me otherwise, as such people have been lying to us so brazenly, so prolifically, so ludicrously, and so long that not a word from them can be believed, not even "a," "an," or "the."

Anonymous Avalanche December 13, 2016 5:36 PM  

@2 "I guess we will see if they have better cleaning agents now than she had back then."

"You mean, like wipe it with a cloth?" (H.C., 2016)

Anonymous Avalanche December 13, 2016 6:05 PM  

@75 "Inserting a knife in an anus causes a very serious wound that will kill the victim in the absence of medical care."

Inserting anything into the anus of a 6-yr-old child could very well FEEL like (and thus be described by the child as) a knife. And no, the child could NOT see his butt.

I'm of conflicted mind on both McMartin and PizzaGate. Easy to believe the "fake" news (MSM) was-and-is lying and misleading -- and my vague memories of the McMartin (e.g., there was a giraffe killed in front of the kids?) could VERY easily be misdirection I 'bought' back then.

Now, older, wiser, and WAY more jaundiced (and shocked! to read about real tunnels): I am semi-sure there is something to pizzagate, which probably means I was wrong to dismiss McMartin.

Blogger EscapeVelocity December 14, 2016 11:49 PM  

I remember the highly praised and lauded Girl With The Dragon Tatoo series which was written by an Commie Scandanavian, IIRC.

The rapist pedo abuser was a powerful Neo-Nazi, of course. SJWs always project. #SargonsLaw.

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