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Thursday, December 01, 2016

Discussing the God-Emperor Ascendant

And the likelihood of his success. A podcast interview I did recently with Challenging Opinions. Have a listen, if you're so inclined.

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46 Comments:

Anonymous Mark Auld December 01, 2016 12:31 PM  

Excellent interview, though I hope the economic meltdown you suggest is not inevitable.

Anonymous Cantostop December 01, 2016 12:32 PM  

-My favorite exchange:
Interviewer: "And, and many other citizens who were unable to prove their status were deported in Operation Wetback.
Vox: "That may be but no.. I don't think you understand, nobody cares. Nobody cares anymore."
kek

-I think the interviewer did a fair job. However, I wish he'd let you flesh out your thoughts more. Stephen Molyneux interrupts more but is more interesting when he does, that said he's an obvious and explicit ally so that's probably a factor in my tolerance of it.

-I'd certainly welcome more of your interviews, your stream-of-consciousness is well worth listening to/watching.

Blogger Shimshon December 01, 2016 12:32 PM  

Good interview. But like many interviewers he has trouble shelving his desire to interrupt you. Even when you were answering his questions. Speaking of willingness to discard bad projects, I hope President Trump dumps the F-35, among many bad programs.

Anonymous fop December 01, 2016 12:34 PM  

Sounds like this interview happened before Mnuchin was appointed. I think Mnuchin's presence may answer your last question re: the banks.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 01, 2016 12:37 PM  

OT: Update on PizzaGate, Andrew Breitbart knew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtOp9jsQcqE

Blogger SouthRon December 01, 2016 12:43 PM  

That was a nice lunchtime listen

Thanks

Blogger Knight Of the Realm December 01, 2016 12:53 PM  

Excellent interview, it could have went longer to allow for more in depth analysis; maybe there would have been less interruptions during answers.

Blogger VD December 01, 2016 12:59 PM  

But like many interviewers he has trouble shelving his desire to interrupt you. Even when you were answering his questions.

Yes, most podcasters don't understand that an interview is not a debate and no one is listening to the interview to hear what the interviewer thinks about anything. The art of the interview is to help the guest clearly and correctly express his thoughts.

A good interviewer never corrects or argues with a subject, because an interviewer is neither an editor nor a debate opponent.

Blogger Melampus the Seer December 01, 2016 1:06 PM  

I'm learning much from how Vox haldles himself. Thanks Vox.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes December 01, 2016 1:19 PM  

Your answers were brisk and on point, Vox. Well done. Never heard of the interviewer. He seemed reasonably intelligent and not annoyingly combative, although I agree it was tiresome that at the apex of each of your points he would interrupt. A longer format would have been better.

Blogger William Meisheid December 01, 2016 1:27 PM  

VD: he art of the interview is to help the guest clearly and correctly express his thoughts.

Isn't that editing, albeit on the fly, but editing none-the-less?

Anonymous fop December 01, 2016 1:31 PM  

Your interview skills are improving, VD.

Blogger Daetrin December 01, 2016 1:38 PM  

@8 The Joe Rogan podcast with Jordan Peterson is a perfect interview, to me, because it's basically three hours of Jordan being pretty brilliant with Joe only stepping in a few times to ask for clarification.

I don't know anything about Joe Rogan though, I only watched it for Peterson's POV.

Blogger John Smith December 01, 2016 1:40 PM  

@3 Shimshon, as someone who works tactical-level intel for F-16s, I hope sincerely that the F-35 is NOT cut. Our current fighter aircraft are so old that it's going to be more expensive to keep repairing them than it is to switch them out with the F-35. And our legacy fighters cannot fly into modern [see: Russia, China, a long list of countries who have bought their systems] Surface to Air Missile (SAM) threat zones without basically committing suicide in the process. The F-35's better integrated targeting sensors will also let it provide better Close Air Support (CAS) than the A-10.

Since I'm opening up a can of rage with that last statement, I ought to explain: low and slow is a relic of the 80s and even the Iraqi Republican Guard was able to completely shut down A-10 operations in Gulf War 2, low and slow means less situational awareness of the target area, the A-10 does not have the dash capability of the F-35 to get to CAS sites in a timely manner (and only comparable endurance time), and not only is the GAU-8 main gun of the A-10 a terrible weapon choice for killing anything but APCs/unarmored vehicles but loading up a magazine for it is more expensive than multiple JDAMs that each will be far more effective than the entire magazine.

There's a reason the A-10 lags far behind the B-1, F-16, and helos for kills downrange.

With the F-35, along with the new GBU-54 and GBU-129 bombs, I'm really excited about the quality of CAS that we will be able to provide to our Army and Marine brethren. (While hoping sincerely that we don't get into another war, particularly with us as the aggressor.)

Blogger Jack Ward December 01, 2016 1:46 PM  

A caution, the God Emperor. Here and elsewhere its been discussed that in uncertain times people will seek out a strong man figure to lead them. This figure may eventually become a tyrant. [see Hitler, Stalin, etc]. I truly hope and pray that Trump is part of the USA's salvation. But, there is a small voice that says caution. Hope for the best, prepare for the worse and keep the darn powder dry and abundant.

Anonymous VFM#1819 December 01, 2016 1:55 PM  

That was a great podcast. Addressed all of the important issues around Trump and Vox came off like a completely objective observer. Anyone who thinks Trump supporters are a bunch of brainless hacks will be very disappointed after listening. Well done.

Anonymous Bob Just December 01, 2016 1:56 PM  

@VD

Enjoyed the interview.

In past interviews (a year or so ago)- I noticed (and you've mentioned) that sometimes "the mouth can't keep up with brain". Has this improvement been something you've been consciously working on (i.e. Mindset) or just a natural consequence of increased frequency or both?

I'd be interested in hearing you add the Cliodynamic-perspective to the conversation that Cernovich and PJW had on Infowars.



OpenID basementhomebrewer December 01, 2016 1:57 PM  

John Smith wrote:@3 Shimshon, as someone who works tactical-level intel for F-16s, I hope sincerely that the F-35 is NOT cut. Our current fighter aircraft are so old that it's going to be more expensive to keep repairing them than it is to switch them out with the F-35. And our legacy fighters cannot fly into modern [see: Russia, China, a long list of countries who have bought their systems] Surface to Air Missile (SAM) threat zones without basically committing suicide in the process. The F-35's better integrated targeting sensors will also let it provide better Close Air Support (CAS) than the A-10.

Since I'm opening up a can of rage with that last statement, I ought to explain: low and slow is a relic of the 80s and even the Iraqi Republican Guard was able to completely shut down A-10 operations in Gulf War 2, low and slow means less situational awareness of the target area, the A-10 does not have the dash capability of the F-35 to get to CAS sites in a timely manner (and only comparable endurance time), and not only is the GAU-8 main gun of the A-10 a terrible weapon choice for killing anything but APCs/unarmored vehicles but loading up a magazine for it is more expensive than multiple JDAMs that each will be far more effective than the entire magazine.

There's a reason the A-10 lags far behind the B-1, F-16, and helos for kills downrange.

With the F-35, along with the new GBU-54 and GBU-129 bombs, I'm really excited about the quality of CAS that we will be able to provide to our Army and Marine brethren. (While hoping sincerely that we don't get into another war, particularly with us as the aggressor.)


The F-35 is a good replacement for the A-10 as you point out. It is not a great replacement for the F-18's or basically anything that is meant to be able to hold it's own in a dogfight. It is heavily reliant on Stealth and Satellite tech both of which the Chinese and Russians are suspected to be able to defeat. The powers that be sacrificed maneuverability in favor of tech which will come to bite it in the ass if it's tech advantages are unreliable or easily countered.

If in the end we only end up with a better air to ground aircraft then we spent WAY too much money to get to that goal.

Blogger VD December 01, 2016 2:00 PM  

Has this improvement been something you've been consciously working on (i.e. Mindset) or just a natural consequence of increased frequency or both?

It helps when people are asking questions I've already answered.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist December 01, 2016 2:08 PM  

Not a very good interviewer from an objective standpoint. Has an obvious agenda and was not too interested in actually discussing VD's ideas/views.

Anonymous RCFlyer December 01, 2016 2:12 PM  

Weird - my McAfee antivirus software won't let me go to that site.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist December 01, 2016 2:14 PM  

@Daetrin

I'm not much for Rogan, but that was a terrific interview with Peterson. Recommended.

Blogger Salt December 01, 2016 2:17 PM  

Yeah, Trump doesn't understand government. That's like saying a defense lawyer doesn't understand the prosecution side of the equation.

Blogger John Smith December 01, 2016 2:18 PM  

@18 basementhomebrewer, I do agree that an over-reliance on stealth could be a fatal flaw... if everything was sacrificed on the altar of stealth. Yet we have tests showing it to be of near-comparable maneuverability to the F-16, which was designed solely for dogfighting. It's probably worth pointing out that dogfighting in the traditional sense hasn't been seen in many years, and anyway what we do have is much more reliant on the missiles we carry (AIM-120, AIM-9X). And those 2, with minor caveats that I can't discuss here, are world-leading munitions. If anything, the improved helmet-based HUD has our F-16 pilots very excited about the dogfight capability improvement it will bring (even if they realize they're unlikely to get in one, they do love training for them).

As to satellite technology: all our current strike aircraft have that same dependency. It's not really anything that's going to matter in a dogfight, it's navigation and bomb dropping that need the connection for updates.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes December 01, 2016 2:19 PM  

Although Vox is smarter than I am, my communication wiring is very similar to his. I am not a great off the cuff speaker. But it's not that I don't possess the information, rather that I can't assemble and organize the data quickly enough to get it to my mouth. Ideas tend to come out somewhat disorganized rather than tight and cogent. Perhaps it's because there are too many threads running through my mind, or maybe the processing speed is slower. Whatever the case, I have a lot of respect for people that are fluid and eloquent off the cuff (looking your way, Stefan), but I've come to realize that intelligence is not directly related to verbal skills.

Anonymous Bob Just December 01, 2016 2:19 PM  

@20 True, but with the sliding scale of "interviewing" in the MSM, this guy would be considered excellent.

I don't know who the interviewer is, but I was getting the impression that he wasn't too familiar (ignorant) with the subject material VD introduced (Creveld, etc).

You may be right, in that he was feigning ignorance to advance an agenda. But, VD doesn't usually give those folks the time-of-day.

Anonymous Bob Just December 01, 2016 2:29 PM  

@25

Stefan has said it takes a lot of hard work, years and practice to "make it look easy".

This ties into what VD said- "It helps when people are asking questions I've already answered."

- Once a question/problem has already been processed and answered/solved by the "executive function" editor - it is easier to recall than "solving on the spot".

I guess one way of looking at it is as a form of "intellectual combatives" and if you haven't experienced it before, then as Mike Tyson said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."


Anonymous BGKB December 01, 2016 2:54 PM  

Interviewer: "And, and many other citizens who were unable to prove their status were deported in Operation Wetback.
Vox: "That may be but no.. I don't think you understand, nobody cares. Nobody cares anymore."


Tell him about our sale on lightly clutched pearls.

I hope President Trump dumps the F-35, among many bad programs.

Forget dumping it leak it to China so they will have bad aircraft.

Update on PizzaGate, Andrew Breitbart knew.

The question if if Breitbart had a Podesta vid of Bath House Barry was it after he became a senator or before he hit puberty?

Related to the Carrier discussion Shitlib complains Carrier deal distracts from all the manufacturing jobs created under Bathhouse Barry. Anyone still on twitter to tell off Dustin McKissen https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/op-ed-democrats-handed-trump-144905697.html

"that it would take several similar Carrier-size deals to equal the number of manufacturing jobs the White House created during the Obama era"

Anonymous Down and Out in... December 01, 2016 3:06 PM  

"though I hope the economic meltdown you suggest is not inevitable."

It may or may not be inevitable, but it's necessary, if this race and this civilization are to survive. An unpleasant thought to consider, true; but perhaps you will think about subscribing to my crackpot newsletter.

Anonymous dagwood December 01, 2016 3:15 PM  

"This figure may eventually become a tyrant. [see Hitler, Stalin, etc]."

Point of order: Hitler and Stalin may have (MAY?!) both been monsters and nightmares, but neither one was a tyrant. They were the tip of the spear of an ideology. The ideologies in question were horrific, but that doesn't mean they were tyrants. It's a pedantic linguistic issue to be sure, but then again, if you can't be a pedantic asshole on the internet, what is the damn thing good for?

Blogger 罗臻 December 01, 2016 3:17 PM  

Excellent interview, though I hope the economic meltdown you suggest is not inevitable.

China started re-implementing capital controls. It's still happening.
Torschlusspanik Begins: China Implements Capital Controls

Anonymous Avalanche December 01, 2016 3:53 PM  

@25 "people that are fluid and eloquent off the cuff (looking your way, Stefan), but I've come to realize that intelligence is not directly related to verbal skills."

Elijah -- you've clearly never listened to the real early Stefan pods! Some of Stefan's fluidity and ease is because of hundreds and hundreds of hours of 'practice' in his earlier pods! (Stefan even points that out...)

Anonymous BGKB December 01, 2016 3:55 PM  

TRUMP needs to hammer the IRAN deal some more with this news http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iran-Loses-Nuclear-Device-Sparks-GCC-Worry.html

Anonymous Avalanche December 01, 2016 3:55 PM  

@28 ""that it would take several similar Carrier-size deals to equal the number of manufacturing jobs the White House created during the Obama era"

And remind them that Trump IS NOT EVEN YET PRESIDENT!! (Then count up all the LOST jobs over eight years of the obamination!!)

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda December 01, 2016 3:57 PM  

"I hope President Trump dumps the F-35, among many bad programs.

Forget dumping it leak it to China so they will have bad aircraft."

Remember when we were told this plane was so good that it would allow the F-22 order to be cut by 3/4, AND replace the F-16 and F-18?

There is clearly a diminishing, if not decreasing return to weapons platforms that utilize and rely upon an ever larger number of more complicated critical subsystems.

The damn thing will be a beta release until there's actual engagement with an enemy.


Anonymous Elijah Rhodes December 01, 2016 4:23 PM  

"that it would take several similar Carrier-size deals to equal the number of manufacturing jobs the White House created during the Obama era"

You have to be a fool of epic proportions to believe the federal government creates jobs. At best all they can do is reduce the friction that impedes creation. No evidence that Obama did that. Unless you consider massive wealth transfers to cronies as job creation.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric December 01, 2016 4:31 PM  

Doesn't your brother mean that he was the only RED man in the Mall of America? Geez...

Anonymous Peaceable Citizen December 01, 2016 4:34 PM  

Trump chooses Mattis for SecDef!

Blogger cheddarman December 01, 2016 4:53 PM  

Excellent interview Vox, I am always glad to hear your view on things.

Sincerely

Cheddarman

Blogger cheddarman December 01, 2016 4:59 PM  

The F-35 is the Flying Piano that is eating the US defense budget.

Getting into war with China or Russia would be a disaster for the whole word. We need order and stability, not chaos. You guys have failed to understand Grand Strategy. We don't want to be crawling out from under radioactive rubble or fighting Russian or Chinese versions of Al Quaeda that would arise from the wreckage of those countries. One standard deviation more intelligent than our average Moslem and orders of magnitude more deadly.

Anonymous Pony1 December 01, 2016 7:17 PM  

Good interview - hit on a lot things I've been contemplating on.

Vox, so is a civil War all but inevitable, due to the amount of immigrants the country has absorbed or do you think enough people will leave or be deported during a Trump Presidency to stave off war and keep the country intact?

Blogger John Smith December 01, 2016 7:19 PM  

@35: All aircraft are constantly in a state of upgrade anyways, so it's really no change there. It WILL replace the F-16 and F-18 and save us money in the long run with commonality of parts, commonality of training, and newer airframes being cheaper to fix. Obama slashing the F-22 order was a long-term greater expense than if he'd kept it, because we could have retired all the F-15Cs without any loss in mission coverage. Instead we are paying to fix their old ass frames, and paying to train still new pilots, maintenance, and support staff for them too.

@40: It really isn't. We'd be spending the same money to fix old birds if we weren't buying new ones. It's a very good plane, and it will do a lot to provide better support to the ground personnel. It's rather funny seeing grunts bitch about how "the AF doesn't care about us" when cutting the A-10 is brought up, given that my entire career field is about providing air to ground weapons employment.

I agree that a Russian or Chinese war would be horrific. Grand strategy of peace through strength has worked reasonably well for decades. But just by buying an SA-20 a country like Algeria effectively denies airspace to any non-stealth aircraft. Grand strategy also involves forcing the Russians and Chinese to develop their own stealth aircraft at great effort and expense, and the Russians are showing a lot of strain from the effort. A pity about the Chinese hack, but that's not the first time they've stolen cutting edge technology from us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder#Combat_debut:_Taiwan_Strait.2C_1958


Neither of you seem to remember that when the F-16 came out we had this entire "oh what an expensive debacle" and "look it keeps having problems" going on then too. The same F-16 that was afterward considered a huge success and one of the best aircraft of its generation. Pierre Sprey, the loudest of the F-35 critics, was trying to peddle his bullshit back then too, though since he has been conclusively proven wrong on every count by actual combat performance it's a miracle anyone gives him the time of day. Here's a copy of "Revolt of the Majors" if you'd like to learn some more about the history behind why the F-35 is a logical step forward and not a huge boondoggle: https://etd.auburn.edu/bitstream/handle/10415/595/MICHEL_III_55.pdf

I see so much hate here for the F-35 when it's actually a solidly designed plane with great capabilities that balances its procurement cost against its cheaper maintenance cost. I can point to garbage procurement, poor strategic decisions, and unreasonably high expenses aplenty in the DoD, but the F-35 is not something that fits those categories.

Blogger VD December 01, 2016 7:48 PM  

Vox, so is a civil War all but inevitable, due to the amount of immigrants the country has absorbed or do you think enough people will leave or be deported during a Trump Presidency to stave off war and keep the country intact?

Depends what the God-Emperor Ascendant decides. I hope and pray for the latter.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric December 01, 2016 7:58 PM  

Pony1 wrote:Good interview - hit on a lot things I've been contemplating on.

Vox, so is a civil War all but inevitable, due to the amount of immigrants the country has absorbed or do you think enough people will leave or be deported during a Trump Presidency to stave off war and keep the country intact?

That's the real question of the age, isn't it? Part of the problem is that it's not just the immigrants. The fault lines between the New England and Left Coast soi-dissant elites and the rest of America is the real problem. The immigrants are just the foot soldiers, the elite's foederati.

Blogger The Other Robot December 02, 2016 12:17 AM  

In any event, make it tough for the illegals. They will self-deport.

Blogger wreckage December 02, 2016 4:25 AM  

The interviewer was a little amateurish, but not unbearable. A decently skilled amateur, needs some polish and a bit better direction. But that's still better than 2/3rd the MSM who are professionals, and know better, but are still total arseholes.

Vox handled the hiccups very well, and I thought it was overall a good interview. Certainly enlightening.

It was a bit of an ego boost to hear Vox saying of Trump pretty much everything I have.

People underestimate how vanishingly rare a skill it is to simply axe a failure and walk away.

That is an amazing skill that Trump has, and what people don't get is that it is about NOT letting ego get in the way! If something screws up he DOESN'T take it personally. I so rarely see that at all, but especially not in politicians.

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