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Saturday, December 24, 2016

Family SJWs and the holidays

Remember, SJWs have no respect for decorum or regard for their families or the holidays:
In a discussion with my son and his girlfriend, I said that their city's homogeneity (it is almost all white) was behind the low crime rate when it was mentioned that there was a stabbing behind a bar the other night. This led to an accusatory, ‘What do you mean by homogeneity?’ by the SJW girlfriend and so I spilled the next fact - that blacks are more likely to commit crimes. The SJW girlfriend of my son quickly went nuclear and said I was a racist and that when controlled for socio-economic factor blacks do not commit crimes at higher rates than whites and that discussion of racist ideas was not tolerated in her house. The evening was ruined. The relationship with son and girlfriend is forever changed.

I have read SJWs Always Lie, and would appreciate your advice on how you suggest to use rhetoric instead of dialectic with known SJWs that are also family? Any suggestion on how I recover from this?
You don't "recover" from unmasking an SJW. Remember, they always lie, they always double down, and they always project.

At this point, the correct thing to do is to refuse to have further contact with her, or to allow her in his home until she apologizes for calling him a racist. Most people won't do this, of course, especially when faced with the inevitable female pressure for everyone to humor the most volatile member of the family in the interest of a false peace. I would have laughed at her willful ignorance, told my son that he really needed to rethink the wisdom of potentially allowing an idiot like her to contribute to the family gene pool, and left.

Yes, family is important, but girlfriends aren't family. And life is far too short to waste any of it on putting up with SJWs. Tolerating SJWs is the intellectual equivalent of putting up with someone who insists on using the living room as a toilet. Why would you even consider doing it?

Nearly everyone makes the fatal mistake of trying to be reasonable with them. That is a category error. SJWs respond only to emotional pain, so the only way to get them to stop doubling down on their misbehavior is to make them feel more pain by failing to behave as members of a civilized society. The more one apologizes and negotiates and pleads, the more intransigent they get. The harsher you treat them, the more likely it is that they will sheepishly return to the fold.

However, in light of how family SJWs are going to be even more easily triggered than usual this year due to the imminent Ascension of the God-Emperor to the Cherry Blossom Throne, I would recommend not only avoiding political conversations, but refusing to permit others to start them in the first place. If a family SJW does insist on bringing up politics, especially if they do so in that passive-aggressive way that assumes agreement with the speaker's statement, the best thing to do is probably to express your delight about the Ascension of the God-Emperor - in those precise terms - and begin a debate concerning whether Donald Trump will be the greatest U.S. president since a) Ronald Reagan, b) Andrew Jackson, or c) George Washington.

The shock of the cognitive dissonance should be sufficient to put your family SJW in a socially catatonic state, which will be appreciated by everyone else.

In general, I find that smiling, refusing to back down in any way, and treating their antics like an indulged child usually works best.

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89 Comments:

Anonymous VFM0265 December 24, 2016 8:29 AM  

Wow, very excellent advice and a great post. The Dark Lord is most generous indeed. Particularly liked the part about treating their antics like an indulged child. I will, as I assume many others will as well, be using this technique this weekend with the incurably lib-tardish members of my family. Many thanks, Your Dark Eminence!

Blogger JDC December 24, 2016 8:30 AM  

My baby brother had a different approach this year. Have a large family gathering at my house every year, and my brother, knowing that a number of SJW family members would stir the pot, brought an air horn. He only had to blow it twice to end the political discussions altogether. He also wore his "Make America Great Again" tee.

Anonymous John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project (fake review it on amazon!) December 24, 2016 8:33 AM  

Back in June or July, during a family get-together to see my toddler niece, a discussion about religion initiated by my 50 year-old, formerly hawt, charismatic, playgirl cousin (subsequently a cult member, a meth addict, a felon-- but freed to vote by Gov. McAuliffe) escalated into a screaming tirade on her part. Though I have ever since been accused of using "the foulest language possible" on her, the fact is all the f-bombs were on her part, and my only "offensive" language consisted of:

1) When she said, "You are such an ASSHOLE!" I simply agreed and amplified by calming replying, "Well, I AM an asshole";

and 2) Once she started screaming "F**k you!!! F**k you!!!" in my face-- and I mean she LITERALLY butted heads with me and poked her middle finger beneath my glasses at my eyeball-- and then called me (and I don't know where she got this, though apparently she does cyberstalk me from time to time) an "Alpha Dick!" I simply, and more or less unpremeditatedly, replied, "Childless spinster!"

I say "more or less" because under the circumstances calling her a c**t, with some more or less literary modifier, was a prime temptation, and really I didn't have long to ponder an appropriate riposte.

As VD alludes, the appeals to make an APOLOGY have been incessant ever since, and esp. as the family holiday drew nigh. For my part, I've refused all such demands, and did nothing further than to assure mom I wouldn't be initiating any conversations on controversial topics.

As the final week drew nigh, Mom's demands declined to repeated insistences that "We're not gonna be talking politics now!" And, though the early Christmas dinner passed dully with no allusions to the Trumpening (I literally nodded off at the table at one point, surrounded by middle-aged churchian aunt and uncle) I'm happy to say that was it. No confrontations, no demands. I wished her a Merry Christmas, and sat beside her a couple of times in indifferent silence.

Also, she didn't bring her "therapy dog" this time. So maybe there's still hope for her. Though frankly, I still predict a black boyfriend or a white girlfriend soon, if she doesn't get over misquoting Leviticus at "Islamophobes" . . . .

Blogger Wanda Sherratt December 24, 2016 8:40 AM  

On YouTube you can find complete election night coverage for all the big networks: ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, Fox, BBC, ITV, even CBC. I've downloaded them all onto my computer, and my husband and I like to spend some time every evening watching the deluded optimism of the anchors turn to crushed incredulity. If SJW family members won't behave, consider playing this footage instead of a seasonal favourite like "A Christmas Carol" or "Die Hard".

Blogger S1AL December 24, 2016 8:41 AM  

Jackson over Eisenhower? For shame, sir, for shame!

Blogger peter blandings December 24, 2016 8:44 AM  

it's time to stop putting ronald reagan in the category of great presidents. ronald reagan was a traitor who amnestied 15 MILLION illegal aliens and refused to protect our borders. that more than cancels out the good work he did by putting paul volcker in charge of the fed. reagan's name should never be spoken again. if anyone needs more convincing of his venality, consider that obama used reagan to insult donald trump by saying that reagan would be spinning in his grave knowing trump got elected. anyone obama speaks well of is ipso facto a traitor to america. the lies must end.

Blogger allyn71 December 24, 2016 8:45 AM  

@5 He killed the banks

Blogger Wanda Sherratt December 24, 2016 8:49 AM  

@3 - I'd have preferred "barren spinster", but as you say, it's tough to come up with the perfect zinger under pressure. Maybe next time.

Blogger Johnny December 24, 2016 9:00 AM  

allyn71 wrote:@5 He killed the banks



Andrew Jackson triggered a banking blowup that would have occurred anyway, the momentum for it was in place, which was the excessive pricing of western land.

His evicting of the Cherokee Indians was a cruel business but did actually serve our long term interests. And of course is seen as offensive by modern race sensibilities.

I never bring up politics with relatives and rarely with friends, but I do argue it if the other side starts selling their ideas. That usually produces tranquility in the long run because eventually they quit bringing it up.

Blogger VD December 24, 2016 9:02 AM  

Stop sperging, Peter Blandings. This is not a discussion of U.S. presidents.

Blogger William Hudson December 24, 2016 9:06 AM  

@3 John Scalzi Unfinished...
You and I, it seems, actually SHARE an asshole, one Terry McAuliffe. Thank God Almighty that his pal, Hillariously Unhinged, didn't manage to steal this past election!

Don't know if you're an actual native Virginian or not, but since we both share the same Old Dominion, Merry Christmas to you (and to all the Dreaded Ilk).

I do have an old sheepskin in "Art" from what I call Old DimOnion University. I know, I know, Liberal Arts and all that. I escaped the brainwashing thanks to a 4-year innoculation via the U.S. Navy before returning to the "hollowed (sic) halls of academia".

P.S. LOVED your post!

Blogger Whisker biscuit December 24, 2016 9:33 AM  

I had a similar discussion on race with one if my brothers SJW girlfriend last year. After laying the facts out pertaining to blacks and crime, and she doubled-down, I suggested we go sing Christmas Carols in the ghettos of a Louisville or Cincinnati.....at night. She insisted she would; however when I got serious and started the car and got my jacket on, she shut up.

They broke up thank God.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 24, 2016 9:34 AM  

That's very sensible advice. I'm usually partial to arguing and fighting that leads to one or both parties departing the gathering. Life is too short to put up with these sick mofos.

Blogger Lee Katt December 24, 2016 9:39 AM  

It's not actually true that controlling for socio-economic factors, the crime rates are the same, right? Will impoverished whites raised by single mothers have similar crime rates as impoverished blacks raised by single mothers?

Of course, the issue of socio-economic factors themselves seems to be an important issue. The liberal family members who went ballistic seem to have ignored that socio-economic factors come at least part from decisions. It's a little like saying, controlling for speed, intoxication levels and seat-belt use, vehicle accidents have the same impact on old men and young men. Yes, but meaningless. Controlling for detail orientation, performance remains the same across those labeled poor performers and high performers.

It seems to me that the same types of short-sighted decision-making leads to poverty and crime.

Blogger Lovekraft December 24, 2016 9:46 AM  

I would estimate that up to 70% of visitors to this blog have encountered this decision.

Since the facts that sjws are borderline insane have been demonstrated amply, it doesn't become a difficult matter.

If there are indications that said sjw is willing and ABLE to engage in productive debate, that's a different matter.

Blogger MATT December 24, 2016 9:46 AM  

Nothing is worse than a girl that doesn't know she should keep her dumb mouth shut. And to be so disrespectful as to apeak to the mother of her boyfriend like that? She's begging for the punishment she never had, and likely has a strange sexual kink involving it.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 24, 2016 9:48 AM  

I'll lay out the pertinent facts. If they keep arguing , I smile beatifically and tell them that I have a "life rule" that I never argue with idiots.

Then I don't.

Blogger Carnivore December 24, 2016 9:49 AM  

Ouch, these folks have my sympathy. I'm fortunate in that at the family gatherings we all pretty much see eye to eye. Same today with the Christmas call this morning to one of my German cousins whom I tease once in a while. After the initial Christmas greetings, I asked her, "Nah, was ist mit Merkel?" She immediately replied in anger "Die ossi Sau muss weg!"

Blogger VD December 24, 2016 9:51 AM  

It's not actually true that controlling for socio-economic factors, the crime rates are the same, right? Will impoverished whites raised by single mothers have similar crime rates as impoverished blacks raised by single mothers?

No. No.

OpenID brefaucheux December 24, 2016 9:55 AM  

That last bit about putting them in a socially catatonic state had me chuckling.

Anonymous jack arcalon December 24, 2016 10:13 AM  

I think it's OK to back down a little bit in a situation like that, perhaps by reluctantly admitting there are a few non violent Blacks out there.

Blogger VD December 24, 2016 10:18 AM  

I think it's OK to back down a little bit in a situation like that, perhaps by reluctantly admitting there are a few non violent Blacks out there.

That's provably stupid and will make the situation worse. You clearly have no idea how to handle SJWs.

Backing down to an SJW is like turning and running from a dog. It triggers their attack instincts.

Blogger Patriotic Canadian December 24, 2016 10:24 AM  

Can you translate that for those of us who don't speak German. All I got from google was 'the ossi sow must go away!' What is ossi?

Blogger JACIII December 24, 2016 10:39 AM  

Our side of the family is pretty much inoculated from this horseshit. Usually, the women flee the room when the men talk politics.

Blogger Dave December 24, 2016 10:41 AM  

and that discussion of racist ideas was not tolerated in her house

See how the SJW forbids even the discussion of ideas. Of course if she is very hawt, then it is perfectly acceptable.

Anonymous Philipp December 24, 2016 10:41 AM  

@24: Patriotic Candadian

Ossi is a slang word for somebody from the former East Germany. The German word for east is "Ost".

Blogger Sheila4g December 24, 2016 10:45 AM  

Excellent advice as usual, Vox. Granted, I never have to deal with this issue since I don't see or speak to my family (other than occasional calls or letters to my aged mother), and my husband's family never gets together for holidays. My husband and sons know of and generally share my values (older son still retains some libertarian illusions but they're modifying rapidly) and friends who will be visiting do also (otherwise they wouldn't be friends). As I noted previously, I cut all SJWs out of my life back in '08. Life IS too short, and I won't waste my time or energy on the willfully blind.

Regarding the initial comment/query that prompted the post, do you seriously want to deal with this sort of person for the rest of your life? Do you want your grandchildren raised by this woman? Let your son know he'll always have your love but make it clear you won't waste time on his ignorant girlfriend. And NEVER apologize or back down!

Blogger Whisker biscuit December 24, 2016 10:46 AM  

Has anyone ever used the extreme approach and went off on an SJW like a drill sergeant--like the one in a Full Metal Jacket? It's kind of neat to pull it out from time to time when they get to confrontational.

Blogger haus frau December 24, 2016 10:49 AM  

@2 your brother sounds like an exceedingly entertaining man.

Blogger praetorian December 24, 2016 10:56 AM  

I'd have preferred "barren spinster", but as you say, it's tough to come up with the perfect zinger under pressure. Maybe next time.

This is why you should think about all your insults and, more importantly, complements and conversation subjects beforehand.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents December 24, 2016 10:58 AM  

The two faggots that heckled Ivanka Trump are getting blasted online, including on the Twitterverse. NY Post article includes their faces.

Ivanka will probably continue to fly commercial, as she's done for years. As long as it is safe.

Blogger Unknown December 24, 2016 11:00 AM  

@29
That would be my instinct when confronted by SJW, go full on sailor on them.
In this case, I would have immediately challenged the dipshit to go live in the south side of Chicago, and if she did not, she was a coward that did not live according to her beliefs.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd December 24, 2016 11:14 AM  

``... when controlled for socio-economic factor blacks do not commit crimes at higher rates than whites ... ''

If ``socio economic factors'' means ``number of prior felony convictions,'' maybe. Otherwise, no.

Looking at my normal table, I see that about 16% of whites are dumber than the average American black, and about 2% are dumber than a -1sd black.

If the average American black is too smart to regularly commit serious crimes, but the -1sd black is too dumb not to, then 16% of blacks are criminals with a high probability, but only 2% of whites are such.

Q.E.D.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 24, 2016 11:15 AM  

I have a different view.

We're in a transition from "We Are The World" inclusiveness to (eventually) intense in-grouping.

The default value for members of the herd is still WATW. Most, however, are not zealots, they're just reciting the catechism.

We want to leave the bridges in place as long as possible so that those who can change their minds can join us. Eventually only the most zealous SJW cultists will remain, and then will come the time to cut them off and let them meet the fate they chose.

One truth to embrace: your kids aren't clones of you. It's a painful reality that they can reject one or more core elements of your personal philosophy. You can't control it; the most you can do is explain the "why's" all along as they're growing up, but if you try too hard you will reduce the odds of success. People who can't accept this risk major disappointment.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 24, 2016 11:21 AM  

Bottom line: avoid alienating your kids' social circle. Keep your contacts with them one-on-one. Don't squeeze too hard or like jello, they'll just find an exit and disappear. If the kid insists on association with toxicity there's not much to be done.

I always asked my sons to be damn careful with whom they dallied; I didn't want to see them produce a grandkid with some batshit crazy doe rabbit.

Blogger frigger611 December 24, 2016 11:26 AM  

I have discovered that the best way to trigger my SJW acquaintances is to refer to Trump as "The Man in the High Tower." And brag that when he summons minions and proles to his High Tower, especially lefties, they bend to his will. They are flabbergasted, upset, and generally leave me alone afterwards. No loss.

Yes you're right, if I don't use purposefully aggressive rhetoric, or if I soften a little, if I agree with them just a little - it's just like feeding a bear, and they keep coming back for me. Peace is NEVER achieved. Harsh rhetoric is the only thing that makes them finally agree "maybe we shouldn't discuss politics" which is largely what I've been asking for all my life with these bozos.

Anonymous John Scalzi Unfinished Asimov Project December 24, 2016 11:31 AM  

Merry Christmas Hudson!

lozlz yes, I'm native Virginian, born near Carolina, though I may reread the "Ramayana" in the New Year just in case I ever get stuck next to one of our NoVa transplants from New Delhi (hopefully making a blessed return to their homeland in the Trumpening years to come!)

No more "The Collapsing Commonwealth"--Make Virginia Great Again!

Blogger GracieLou December 24, 2016 11:40 AM  

"...sjws are borderline insane..."

Since the election I've taken a mental inventory of all the true blue SJW's in my orbit. They ALL suffer mental disorders or were raised by those with mental disorders--bi-polar and schizophrenia particularly.

Once you take out the paid protesters, the bulk of post-election moonbats are easily controlled crazy people. Lester Holt need only mutter a few trigger phrases and voila! zombie herd.

Which makes you wonder, how much of the social "progress" the last 50 years has been DESIGNED to make us all crazy? Family destruction, institutionalization of children, sexual abuse and debauchery, pharmaceuticals, attempted destruction of any stabilizing group identity...

Anonymous BBGKB December 24, 2016 12:08 PM  

Seriously you should have laughed when she said that & pointed her to https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment
showing that throwing money at blacks makes them perform even worse, explained by less faking of data. The poorest white trash in west Virginia does better on every metric other than short distance runs than blacks affirmative actioned into the best prep schools. The average SAT of the poorest white trash from families earning under $20,000/yr is 978 while the avg for blacks from the most successful families earning over $200,000/yr is 981 basically a rounding error away. Even Oprah knew better than to think more than 300 girls in all of Africa were teachable for her school, when she spent more on it than would pay to have thousands of basic schools.

The two faggots that heckled Ivanka Trump are getting blasted online, including on the Twitterverse. NY Post article includes their faces.

Even by the Whorey Hosts of the NY Post. One of them is a jewish lawyer to bad their ethics panels are filled with jewish lawyers.

Anonymous Salt December 24, 2016 12:08 PM  

“heterophobic bigots,”

That's what the SJW [cough] couple which verbally accosted Ivanka Trump are being called. Love the rhetoric.

Blogger Verne December 24, 2016 12:10 PM  

Fortunately politics is not a banned topic from my family's dinner table. Yelling is not part of it. Yell is not acceptable. No Personal insult is acceptable. Getting angry over being disagreed with is childish. Liberal boyfriends have never done well in my family. But said boys learned their drivel was not going to go uncontested. Liberal girlfriends have not happened, other than some youthful forays into veganism. But calling someone a racist or animal murderer. That person would not welcomed back. And it has never happened for that reason. It's best to set the emotional ones straight before they go to far.

Blogger Michael Maier December 24, 2016 12:11 PM  

"Which makes you wonder, how much of the social "progress" the last 50 years has been DESIGNED to make us all crazy? Family destruction, institutionalization of children, sexual abuse and debauchery, pharmaceuticals, attempted destruction of any stabilizing group identity..."

Sure does seem that way, doesn't it? (((I WONDER WHO'S BEHIND IT.)))

Blogger Michael Maier December 24, 2016 12:12 PM  

Just curious, does "ossi" have a negative / slur connotation to it? I guessed on the rest before going to Google Translate and it didn't translate "ossi".

Anonymous BBGKB December 24, 2016 12:13 PM  

Revenge giving https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/23/donald-trump-voters-revenge-giving-holidays-christmas-gifts-donations?CMP=share_btn_fb

“With my oldest brother, who I know voted for Trump, I’m going right for the jugular. I’m donating to the Democratic National Committee on his behalf,” Tereska said.

Tereska, an avid Hillary Clinton supporter, is so mad at the relatives who voted for Donald Trump in November that he’s giving money to progressive not-for-profit organizations in their names, in lieu of Christmas presents this year.

“It’s revenge giving,” he added, with relish.

Anonymous Bagger Vance December 24, 2016 12:20 PM  

"Ossi" is Easterner, a term for former DDR Germans (which Merkel is definitely one).

Blogger Wanda Sherratt December 24, 2016 12:23 PM  

@43 - I'm sure Jesus is very flattered to know that his birthday is furnishing SJWs with an occasion for malice. But then, people like that wouldn't care what Jesus thinks about anything.

Anonymous Bagger Vance December 24, 2016 12:27 PM  

It's hilarious to me that the son and GF live in the low-diversity city. That was probably their choice, and they still slap themselves on the back thinking "oh, if only we had a few more blacks in this area!"

As someone with friends in Portland OR the sound is familiar.

Merry Christmas VD and vile minions! Much to do today but thanks for a relevatory year.

Anonymous Tipsy December 24, 2016 12:39 PM  

The scene above reminded me of a girlfriend I had with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It took me a while to break up with her because 1) she was beautiful and 2) I was white knighting (I thought she just needed a little TLC and didn't recognize right away how evil she was.)

In that time I learned a lot about this and related personality disorders and can spot them from a mile away. It has always seemed to me that SJWs behave like NPDs or Borderlines, and VDs advice is absolutely spot on: Life is too short to waste any time in a relationship with a SJW/NPD/BPD/PPD if you can in any way avoid it.

If your correspondent is reading this, I'd direct him and his son to read Tara Palmatier's excellent summary: 13 Signs Your Wife or Girlfriend is a Borderline or a Narcissist"

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 24, 2016 12:43 PM  

@43. They ought cheerfully inform him that they don't have any presents for him that year, while cheerfully opening and keeping them for themselves.

Then don't invite him to the family gathering next year, the piece of refuse.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 24, 2016 12:44 PM  

Better yet, donate all his gifts to the Salvation Army.

Anonymous Philalethes December 24, 2016 12:44 PM  

The relationship with son and girlfriend is forever changed.

Made me sad to read this. Maybe so, depending on if the son wises up and drops the girlfriend in favor of one who possesses at least rudimentary thinking skills. Hard to know what to do about it, if you don't want to lose the connection with your son.

Been thinking about this myself, as it seems I'm having a similar experience. In my case, last Spring I happened to make a mildly positive remark about Trump to my sister, and she went ballistic. She simply couldn't understand how I could possibly… I know she gets her "news" from CNN and other such propaganda organs; I told her (gently) that she'd been indoctrinated. At that point she slammed down the phone.

Both in our 70s, we're about the only family we have left. We were close in childhood and adolescence, in the usual pattern of children sharing a very painful family environment, though otherwise we had/have little in common, and had little contact until about six years ago, when we got back in touch. Since then we'd become close (from 2000 miles apart), talking frequently and sharing our difficulties and successes. Until April.

After hanging up on me, she sent me an email all about how Trump is a Racist! and Misogynist! and so on – all the stuff we're so wearily familiar with. Chronic illness slows me down a lot; it took me three months to reply (no word from her the whole time; we'd been talking every two or three days previously), with a lengthy – yes, dialectical – explanation of why I thought what I thought.

The response was that she read what I wrote, and didn't want to talk about it anymore. So we haven't, which is okay. Nor have we talked at all, very much, which is not, though I can see nothing to do about it.

I've come to realize that to attempt to discuss the subject would likely conflict with my primary objective with her, which is to support her marriage with her husband, a solid beta and good man who more or less saved her life 25 years ago when she met him after a very chaotic and painful early life (four marriages, two sons who did not turn out well). He took her in hand and showed her a workable way to live, based on a somewhat unusual but not unhealthy interpretation of the Bible. His view of Trump, I gather (have never met him), is the usual seen in millions of basically decent, well-intentioned Americans who've not yet realized how totally and egregiously they've been lied to by all the "authority figures" they've trusted all their lives.

My sister has always looked up to her "big brother"; I don't want to put her in a conflicted position of having to choose between her husband and me. So I can't really use our host's advice in this case. She has a good marriage; may God grant it continue. I can manage without a sister better than she could manage without her husband.

My hope is that, once Trump is in office, the basic American decency I see in him (which by contrast shows what scum nearly the entire population of the American political establishment truly are) will be given a chance to show, and at least some of those like my brother-in-law will realize that he is not the Devil Incarnate that they've been told he is.

In the meantime, though, I seem to be among those who've lost important relationships in this time of insanity. And may never get it back. I've experienced similar coolings with old friends as well – also painful, as I don't really have a whole lot of connections to spare.

I guess the only other time anything like this has happened here was during the so-called "Civil War" – another situation created by greedy socio/psychopaths for their own profit, with no concern at all for the harm that was caused.

MPAI, yes, but their suffering is still painful to watch. Ignorance may not be bliss, but sometimes I can see the advantage – though I know it's only temporary.

Anonymous BBGKB December 24, 2016 12:52 PM  

and at least some of those like my brother-in-law will realize that he is not the Devil Incarnate that they've been told he is.

If TRUMP did so well in 4 years that all the highways were paved with gold they would still say he appropriated the Wizard of Oz from gays, and was anti Semitic because he knew jews would die trying to shave it off.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 24, 2016 1:08 PM  

@51. Conversely, (((they))) would probably be campaigning for Trump in that circumstance, "Now how do we get the roads re-paved so we can restart the process to finance a second yacht?".

They might try to leverage their dead into a memorial site alongside the road though, so that they would have an excuse for easy access.

Blogger haus frau December 24, 2016 1:20 PM  

"As VD alludes, the appeals to make an APOLOGY have been incessant ever since, and esp. as the family holiday drew nigh. For my part, I've refused all such demands, and did nothing further than to assure mom I wouldn't be initiating any conversations on controversial topics."

I have a Bernie loving, vegan sister. She and her husband chose to buy their first home in a largely black neighborhood in part so their two boys could experience growing up with diversity. I remember her complaining about the odd number of sex offenders in the neighborhood and the extremely rude habit the black kids had of walking right across her front yard when the highschool let out. For some reason, they have since moved to a very white part of town. She stopped going to most family gatherings years ago because my oldest brother cut her off and refused to speak to her. She told me she couldn't stand sitting at the table with him ignoring her while everyone else went about the holiday like things were normal. She couldn't handle the discomfort. I used to tell my brother that he was being too hard on her and that though she had pronounced flaws she wasn't the bad person he made her out to be.
Five years ago, after flying up and staying at my house for a few days so she could establish medical care with a doctor in my city, she began cold shouldering me and then cut me off completely all without explanation. Last spring when I came into town to visit our parents she reached out to me to offer an olive branch of sorts and reconnect. Basically she made a lot of nasty assumptions about my motivations for some things I did (because she is the world's greatest mind reader) and then held me fully accountable for how those assumptions made her feel. It was clear she wasn't there to hear my side as she already felt she knew everything. She also refused to accept any responsibility for her actions (like cutting me off without explanation) because she was just a victim of circumstances. So what actions of mine pissed her off? Yeah....She visited at the last week of the month and I had very little cash on hand but her perception of my finances was that I had significantly more money than her. She was incensed that I asked her to foot the bill for some of her gas money since I live an hour out of town and had to drive in repeatedly for her doctor appointments. There was a lot more than that but that particular example characterizes all her complaints. She expected a "red carpet" up to her particular standards and assigned the lack of this red carpet to spiteful motivations on my part but didn't feel she could explain that to me at the time because that would have been too awkward and she just couldn't handle a fight. So much better to permanently destroy a lifelong family relationship by cold shouldering me for years without explanation than engage in normal relationship confrontation. Of course none of this was really her fault because she was just a fragile victim of circumstances. I haven't spoken to her since last spring. I owe my brother an apology. He spotted her out years ago as self-absorbed, untrustworthy and completely dishonest in her relationships with the family. I do find her preoccupation with my "better" finances very funny given her support for Bernie. Another thing that stands out is how clearly fearful she is of confrontation, even the silent presence of my big brother is too much for her to be around. I agree with the advice to confront when possible. My sister is the bird with the broken wing and won't hesitate to beat others into submission with that broken wing. SJW"s are cowards that use the threat of their own hurt feelings to get their way.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 24, 2016 1:29 PM  

@37 GracieLou

"...sjws are borderline insane..."

Since the election I've taken a mental inventory of all the true blue SJW's in my orbit. They ALL suffer mental disorders or were raised by those with mental disorders--bi-polar and schizophrenia particularly....

Which makes you wonder, how much of the social "progress" the last 50 years has been DESIGNED to make us all crazy? Family destruction, institutionalization of children, sexual abuse and debauchery, pharmaceuticals....


One thing you're missing with regards to those two particular disorders is that in the last 60 years we discovered drugs that on average do a phenomenal job of controlling them, as long as, of course, the patients actually take them, and thus they no longer all have to be confined to mental institutions. So any way you look at it, we'd be seeing more of them in the general population.

Of course the politicians, following the advice of the best experts, and no doubt noting the money could be more directly spent on buying votes, like the Great Society which was enacted at around the start of deinstitutionalization, just dumped them out on the streets, and now controlled, semi-controlled, or not at all until the commit a bad enough crime to be jailed, they're in our face all too much.

No great conspiracy required, just normal human screwups at all levels from individual to societal.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 24, 2016 1:47 PM  

I have discovered that the best way to trigger my SJW acquaintances is to refer to Trump as "The Man in the High Tower." And brag that when he summons minions and proles to his High Tower, especially lefties, they bend to his will.

@35 frigger611
Don't be a wuss. Go all the way and use "Castle" instead of "Tower".

Blogger frigger611 December 24, 2016 2:27 PM  

@55, It's an allusion, and believe me, they get it.

(It is in fact called Trump Tower, after all).

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 24, 2016 2:28 PM  

I don't have any SJW's in my family or really any Liberals

My buddies are Liberal enough to be Bernie Bros they are not SJW's either. Some of them are almost Conservative.

Family friends are all right wingers too.

Something to be grateful for

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 24, 2016 2:51 PM  

This is why you should think about all your insults and, more importantly, complements and conversation subjects beforehand.

Well I game out entire conversations in advance with characters such as SJW Co-ed or Male Boomer Manager, but I suspect that isn't neurotypical.

Blogger VD December 24, 2016 3:12 PM  

I used to tell my brother that he was being too hard on her and that though she had pronounced flaws she wasn't the bad person he made her out to be.

See: "especially when faced with the inevitable female pressure for everyone to humor the most volatile member of the family in the interest of a false peace."

When a woman thinks a man "is being too hard on someone" she is almost always wrong. To the contrary, she is being too soft.

I owe my brother an apology. He spotted her out years ago as self-absorbed, untrustworthy and completely dishonest in her relationships with the family.

Yes, you do. But more importantly, you need to tell him he was right all along.

Blogger haus frau December 24, 2016 3:37 PM  

@59 agreed completely with all of it. It is a shame that I minimized his observations and judgments on what he experienced of her character until I experienced myself over the course of several years. I don't know the precise incident that made him cut her off. They were very close as young adults. However, once he saw what he did the decision was made and he did not waver or make excuses for her. I give him a lot of credit for his clear vision

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 24, 2016 3:42 PM  

If your correspondent is reading this, I'd direct him and his son to read Tara Palmatier's excellent summary: 13 Signs Your Wife or Girlfriend is a Borderline or a Narcissist"

Dr. T is great. I'm normally suspicious of female psychologists, but she is genuinely male-positive.

She's had some interesting conversations (available on YouTube) with Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, particularly about how to deal with Cluster B women, and I assume that her site Shrink4Men is similarly useful.

Anonymous RedJack December 24, 2016 3:42 PM  

So far, some of my more liberal family members have quietly approached me and said how GLAD they are that Trump won. One (who is black) said he was overjoyed "a real man" got in after eight years of .. Well I won't say what he said.

The last gauntlet will be the two college professors on New Years. They will try to attack me. Worst thing that will happen is I no longer have to drive six hours every holiday.

I am enjoying this.

Anonymous jg1 December 24, 2016 4:02 PM  

OT: I thought you might find this interesting...Curie-Hultgreen in the making it seems

http://atavisionary.com/115-lb-female-fire-fighter/

Anonymous Salt December 24, 2016 4:50 PM  

@63 A good friend, female, was a firefighter. She weighed all of 98lbs and not quite 5'. Mostly she was EMT, but where size mattered in getting in somewhere, she did. Not often, but it did happen, here and there. Prior to her fire fighting she was a dancer.

Blogger weka December 24, 2016 4:52 PM  

Watch the sermons, folks. The normally reliable head minister decided to go on a deviation about Mary being homeless and stigmatized today with a side helping of them being a refugee.

Normally don't hear him, because I hang around the other congregation (which had its service last night, 300 there). There were 50 people at church today.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia December 24, 2016 4:59 PM  

What the son should have done was tell the bimbo to STFU and taken her home and dumped her ass. She obviously is dumb as a box of rocks and has no respect for him. He is questionable also since he's dating her and thought it was a good idea to bring her home to meet the family.

Blogger ace December 24, 2016 5:01 PM  

"when controlled for socio-economic factor blacks do not commit crimes at higher rates than whites"

Essentially: the high percentage of of blacks who are stupid, poor, and violent are just as stupid, poor, and violent as the low percentage of whites who are stupid, poor, and violent. The water in a big bucket is just as wet as the water in a cup. Christ, SJW statistics are a crime against nature.

It still fails the smell test, since at a given income a white male has a higher IQ and lower T level than a black male.

Blogger Akulkis December 24, 2016 5:06 PM  

@37 GracieLou

Here's an old Russian joke:

A physicist, an architect, a physicist, and a Communist were debating whose profession was the oldest.

The physicist says that since God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

The architect says that's nice, but before there was light, God created the heavens and the Earth out of the chaos.

The communist replies -- "And who do you think created the chaos?!?!?!?"

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot December 24, 2016 5:13 PM  

"The relationship with son and girlfriend is forever changed."

FREE AT LAST!
FREE AT LAST!
OH LORD, YOU ARE FREE AT LAST!

Now be fruitful and multiply with someone who isn't a moonbat. :-)

Blogger Bogey December 24, 2016 5:31 PM  

Just say election night was the second greatest night of your life next to that night you banged the new receptionist with the big boobs back in '05.

Blogger Bogey December 24, 2016 5:33 PM  

....or the greatest night of your life learning that Western Civilization my recover after all.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 24, 2016 6:22 PM  

My hope is that, once Trump is in office, the basic American decency I see in him (which by contrast shows what scum nearly the entire population of the American political establishment truly are) will be given a chance to show, and at least some of those like my brother-in-law will realize that he is not the Devil Incarnate that they've been told he is.

I fully expect to see that, especially among women. Thirty million people watched the finale of the first season of his TV show, and while I'm sure they didn't all like him, they didn't watch because they thought he was Literally Hitler. They watched because they were interested in what decisions he would make. He appeared on the covers of magazines and was interviewed by people like Oprah because people, especially women, found him interesting. Good grief, he's even been on The View. Liberals officially disliked him because rich businessman with hot wives, but they didn't hate him until 2016.

The portrayal of him as a racist/sexist/etc. has been nothing but a left/media/cuck mirage, generated for the election and continued since because they don't know what else to do. But it's going to get harder and harder to maintain that when the lynchings and homo-lobotomies fail to materialize. People are going to start to remember that they, you know, always kinda liked him, or at least didn't hate him, and wonder why other people hated him so much. Some cucks started that process on Nov. 9 (though that's mostly an attempt at job survival), but when prominent women start speaking out that way, the herd will follow.

I'm sure hard-core leftists will hold their ground, but by next Christmas, I expect many current TDS sufferers to be recovered and riding the Trump Train.

Blogger technovelist December 24, 2016 7:01 PM  

I have had to tell one of my brothers in no uncertain terms that if he continues his snark attack on me and my political views, he will never hear from me again except on family business, and not at all after our mother dies (she's 90). The only way we can get along is not to discuss anything political at all.

That seems to have done the trick, whereas ignoring his nastiness just encouraged him.

Blogger Tina December 24, 2016 7:31 PM  

@63 & @64 Some years ago when the town I lived in first added EMT to Fire Dept responsibilities, women took the opportunity to join the department. For some reason, female EMTs were always paired. I didn't think anything about it. After all, my mechanic was a little woman, part of a fantastic husband/wife team whose diagnostic ability was incomparable. The fact that she was the only woman in the shop and thus had assistance where brute strength was necessary didn't really register.... until I took a job in elderly housing (independent living) & was present when ambulance would arrive in case of fall or illness.

Invariably, if an EMT crew was female and the person needing help weighed more than a hundred pounds, the women EMTs were unable to lift their patient or even to transfer the person to a gurney, and would call for backup help, thus endangering lives by delaying transport as long as 10 or 15 minutes in our little town.

Eventually, cities in the area began sending a fire truck out on every ambulance call. The official reason was that they couldn't be certain of what the emergency might be, and after all, the ambulance always went on fire calls too, ergo... But in fact it was to assure that there would always be men present to handle the physical "heavy lifting". At least it is a solve, just a shame it is a dishonest one.

There ARE women who have the size and strength to lift a 200 pound incapacitated person. They are few, but they do exist. Until the 1980s, many law enforcement branches had height & weight requirements even for male applicants. While there may be times when a tiny person's size is useful, the limitations must also be accounted for, in advance, so that the public is not endangered during more frequent situations.

Blogger GracieLou December 24, 2016 8:23 PM  

@ That Would Be Telling. I think about that every time I see a person wearing pajamas in public. In 1948 that would have been enough to get the cops called. Pajamas and blue hair would have meant an extended stay in a padded room. Add gender confusion--instant lobotomy and a one-way ticket to the nuthouse.

How wise our forefathers were!

Blogger Were-Puppy December 24, 2016 11:58 PM  

@66 Miguel D'Anconia
What the son should have done was tell the bimbo to STFU and taken her home and dumped her ass.
---

100% agreed

Blogger Lucas December 25, 2016 1:35 AM  

How diversity ruined a good Catholic school:. http://bit.ly/2if0tg2

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 25, 2016 1:36 AM  

My brother was married to a younger and very self-righteous harridan. I stayed with them for several weeks as a 19 year old.

When she did her haranging bitch act on me I shouted as loud as I could:

"SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

-right up in her face. She never spoke that way to me ever again, although she did to my brother.

I should say that I knew nothing of rabbits and game as this was 30 years ago; it was pure instinct.

Anonymous Tipsy December 25, 2016 1:39 AM  

SciVo de Plorable wrote:If your correspondent is reading this, I'd direct him and his son to read Tara Palmatier's excellent summary: 13 Signs Your Wife or Girlfriend is a Borderline or a Narcissist"

Dr. T is great.


So true. Listen to this advice she gives for dealing with cluster B types:

The only thing that may work with narcissists, psychopaths and borderlines is meting out natural consequences for their bad behavior. The consequences are especially effective if related to one or more of their 5 common fears:

* The fear of abandonment.
* The fear of loss of control.
* The fear of loss of resources (e.g., money, social status).
* The fear of appearing or feeling inferior or inadequate.
* The fear of public exposure.

Mind you, they don’t learn to be better people when they receive a consequence. They still feel entitled to lie, cheat and abuse, but if it means losing money or publicly exposing their true selves, the higher functioning ones may curb some of their worst tendencies as they seethe and gnash their fangs in frustration.


... which is essentially VD's advice.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 25, 2016 3:49 AM  

"The normally reliable head minister decided to go on a deviation about Mary being homeless and stigmatized today with a side helping of them being a refugee."

What an unbefuckinglievable idiot.

Anonymous Avalanche December 25, 2016 10:05 AM  

@14 "It's not actually true that controlling for socio-economic factors, the crime rates are the same, right?"

I usually point out (dialectic, I know... sorry) that back in the first Great Depression, when there was really and truly horrific poverty in, say, Appalachia: there was NOT an insane increase in violence and rapine... WHITES did not respond to poverty with crime. If the idiot-lib CAN hear sense, this usually baffles 'em.

Blogger chris December 25, 2016 10:08 AM  

I'd find papers that prove that her statement "controlling for socioeconomic factors blacks commit no more crime than whites" is false. Then hammer her on that falseness. Then I would call her false. I would use the word false as a noun as opposed to a verb or adjective. And refer to her as that false woman.

Blogger iOpener December 25, 2016 10:49 AM  

My solution was somewhat different. I am more or less impervious to conventional accusations of racism because my younger son, adopted, is black-ish. 1/8 or 1/16 we think, but no matter because he is obviously negroid in appearance.

I tell the SJWs that of course I am racist in recognizing that all the races are different in many ways, but that this knowledge by me raises no personal animus or disdain for the other races. To really get into their heads, especially those that do not know me, I introduce them to D and get him to explain how he is different.

I do not get angry at blacks, middle easterners, Mestizos or any non-whtes because of what they are, any more than I would get angry at a wolf, a cow, a leopard or an insect because of what they are.

Besides, I am far from convinced that they are nearly as bad as some writers and commenters claim. It is hard to shine as a race after being patronized for generations and given money for nothing. We have done the same to native Indians. The leap from the stone age to modernity is very difficult - realistically 90% of whites did not make it. A lot, an awful lot, of my white non-ancestors failed to breed.

I also note that Blacks may have a knack for political persuasion superior to whites.

I also fear we have allowed our white selves and culture to become useless, effeminate, sterile and hopeless. Does not the incident of the 2 homosexuals claiming to be married and with a purchased child harassing Ivanka Trump and her family say many horrible things about us? I think, on balance, I'd prefer a violent black to those two.

However, until we sort this out, no more immigration, none, not one.

Blogger Doc Rampage December 25, 2016 8:14 PM  

Before the term SJW was coined, I used to enjoy provoking PC outrage. Once while at a social gathering with some friends, I commented that women are too irrational to be allowed to vote.

The hostess became furious and demanded that I either apologize or leave her house immediately. I got up to leave. All of my friends urged me to apologize but I refused. I didn't get angry; I just said that if I wasn't welcome I wouldn't stay. I didn't have a car so I was facing a six or seven-mile walk at night but I refused one friend's offer to drive me home because I didn't want to ruin his evening also.

As I was opening the door to leave, the woman grabbed me and dragged me into another room to "discuss it". After some tearful angst on her part, I told her that I was sorry her feelings were hurt (I kind of was) and that was good enough for her to save face and ask me to stay.

This isn't a typical situation because she was interested in me romantically, but I think a lot of women will back down if it looks like their temper tantrum is actually going to do harm someone. They want to enforce compliance, not to hurt anyone.

Blogger Sagramore December 25, 2016 9:10 PM  

@47 Narcissistic women are soul sucking. Even today the urge to defend hangry green braids is still there, even though if that was my daughter or wife that would not be tolerated.

Blogger JB December 25, 2016 9:28 PM  

Most people can't handle the truth. Making this point at this time was not a good decision. It doesn't matter if you are right, it wasn't the time or place.

Anonymous Luke December 27, 2016 7:12 AM  

43. BBGKB December 24, 2016 12:13 PM
"Revenge giving https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/23/donald-trump-voters-revenge-giving-holidays-christmas-gifts-donations?CMP=share_btn_fb

“With my oldest brother, who I know voted for Trump, I’m going right for the jugular. I’m donating to the Democratic National Committee on his behalf,” Tereska said.

Tereska, an avid Hillary Clinton supporter, is so mad at the relatives who voted for Donald Trump in November that he’s giving money to progressive not-for-profit organizations in their names, in lieu of Christmas presents this year.

“It’s revenge giving,” he added, with relish."


He pulls a knife, you pull a gun.
So, make a (ideally larger) donation in HIS name to NAMBLA and a pro-cannibalism group or the like, and advertise as much as you can that you did so.

Blogger liberranter December 27, 2016 2:58 PM  

The proper reaction to this incident should have been obvious. Dad should have said:

"I KNOW that I taught you better than to go picking up trash like this. GET IT --AND YOURSELF-- OUT OF MY HOUSE, RIGHT THIS INSTANT! Do not darken my doorstep again until you regain the values I raised you with, and do not ever again bring excrement like THAT into MY house as long as I draw breath! I'm giving you both till the count of five to be out the door and gone, or I'll throw you both out myself!"

Will this sever the father-son bond? Probably, at least for a while. But if your son is dating SJWs, he's toxic baggage until he kicks the habit. Let him come to his senses before trying to mend fences again. Any young man who allows his girlfriend to disrespect his father in his father's own house needs his ass kicked - and needs to be disowned.

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