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Sunday, December 04, 2016

Gli italiani votano no

So much for the globalist breather provided by the Austrian election. The Italians reject Renzi's reforms.
Prime Minister Matteo Renzi has lost a referendum on constitutional reform by a wide margin, exit polls showed on Sunday, throwing his future into doubt and opening the door to renewed political instability in Italy.

Renzi, who had promised to resign if his flagship project was defeated, is due to address the nation at around midnight (6.00 p.m. ET), government sources said.

An exit poll by the Piepoli Institute/IPR for state television station RAI, estimated the 'No' vote at 54-58 percent against 42-46 percent for 'Yes'. Two other polls gave 'No' a similar lead of at least 10 points. Voting ended at 11 p.m.
This is another step towards the end of the Euro and the EU.

UPDATE: Renzi has kept his word and resigned.

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82 Comments:

Blogger NCD December 04, 2016 5:49 PM  

Word.

Blogger weka December 04, 2016 5:50 PM  

Let us make the Italian Navy great again. Seize every NGO boat that brings migrants in...

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 04, 2016 5:52 PM  

It actually raises a question...what to do with about 150 Euro in cash? I'm headed to Austria in 2018.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 04, 2016 5:54 PM  

That's a fucking mandate.

Blogger Keith December 04, 2016 5:55 PM  

me gusta

Anonymous Ignorant Aussie December 04, 2016 6:04 PM  

Great result. I just spent time to listening to the (((media))) gloat about Austria on the radio and now I get to listen to them kvetch about Italy. I am an ignorant redneck so obviously know nothing about Europe but if the first Austrian election was rigged can the nationalists claim this election was rigged and initiate an investigation?

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 04, 2016 6:06 PM  

Peoples vs. Establishment 3-1 (at half-time)

Next year in Berlin!

Blogger weka December 04, 2016 6:13 PM  

Son called. NZ Radio is talking about Italian Bank failures. Nothing from the Eeyores and Zero Hedge. False News?

Anonymous Sharrukin December 04, 2016 6:15 PM  

Renzi Loses Italian Referendum By Wide Margin; EURUSD Tumbles As Early Elections Loom - Live Blog

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/renzi-loses-italy-referendum-wide-margin-euro-slides

Anonymous BGKB December 04, 2016 6:21 PM  

the first Austrian election was rigged can the nationalists claim this election was rigged and initiate an investigation?

They had proof it was rigged before the globalists didn't make the same mistakes this time. Crooked Philly might just make that 70,000+ lead TRUMP had in PA disappear by fraud. Just like Acorn told all of its faggots to stop wearing pink ties after the last batch of Project Veritas videos.

Blogger Open Carry December 04, 2016 6:21 PM  

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects

Anonymous FlyingHighin2016 December 04, 2016 6:25 PM  

Good News for sure. What are the prospects for a populist right in the next Italian election? How are Lega Nord, Forza Italia doing in the polls? Since Berlusconi left in 2011, then Umberto Bossi resigning in 2012, there haven't been any prominent leadership figures for the Italian right. Thoughts?

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 04, 2016 6:28 PM  

Other news at ZeroHedge.
Something Strange Is Taking Place In The Mediterranean

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/something-strange-taking-place-mediterranean

Anonymous Just another commenter December 04, 2016 6:30 PM  

@6 - I'm sure the media will harp on how important Austria was (because it's forward looking and brave or some-such), but how relatively expected and therefore meaningless and rooted in provincialism and domestic concerns the Italy vote was. The rationalization is strong in the media... largely due to the clarity of their marching orders from Soros, et al.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 04, 2016 6:33 PM  

Italians first voted NO on "more powerful central government" on April 28, 1945, and many times less dramatically since then. By now it's become a habit.

Salud!

Blogger T-Rav December 04, 2016 6:36 PM  

Renzi is out?

Renzi is OUT???

Anonymous Steve December 04, 2016 6:39 PM  

Molto bene.

Blogger Unknown December 04, 2016 6:40 PM  

OT: gunman shoots local politician and two journalists in Finland

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/04/504325925/gunman-in-finland-kills-local-politician-2-others-with-rifle-outside-restaurant

Blogger The Other Robot December 04, 2016 6:41 PM  

At least Renzi seems to have some level of rectitude, unlike Hillary Clinton.

Anonymous Dave December 04, 2016 6:42 PM  

NO takes 17 out of 20 regions. Renzi to resign. M5S majority party?

Blogger The Other Robot December 04, 2016 6:43 PM  

@18: Was the female politician planning to bring in more vibrant immigrants?

Blogger The Other Robot December 04, 2016 6:46 PM  

@13: NGOs smuggling millions of rapefugees into Europe.

Sounds like a Finnish solution is needed.

Blogger Fifty Seven December 04, 2016 6:54 PM  

Congratulations to the Italians.

"Sounds like a Finnish solution is needed."

Hide in the woods and shoot them with Mosin Nagants? Or did I miss something?

Blogger Lazarus December 04, 2016 6:55 PM  

weka wrote:Son called. NZ Radio is talking about Italian Bank failures. Nothing from the Eeyores and Zero Hedge. False News?

It must just be speculation. Nothing will happen that fast. Rienzi has been spending a lot of time trying to get the Euro bosses to give Italy an exception to the bail-in policy they have. That is where creditors have to take the hit in a bank failure, not the government.

He failed at that as well.

A NO vote makes failures more likely, but not guaranteed.

Blogger Fifty Seven December 04, 2016 6:58 PM  

Whoops, I missed Unknown's link. Retract my question.

Anonymous JAMES December 04, 2016 6:58 PM  

Lega Nord seems to have lost some of its base recently. Hopefully this acts as a shot in the arm.

Blogger Lazarus December 04, 2016 7:01 PM  

One other thing these votes are doing is highlighting where the problem areas (more globalist) are in any given country.

Strategic information.

Blogger Nxx 14 December 04, 2016 7:02 PM  

Renzi will resign. I just heard his press conference and he is going through with his promise to resign if he loses the referendum.

I expect Padoan to be the next globalist appointed tecnico.

The EU has been indulging Italy's chronic fiscal incontinence so as to not rock the referendum boat.

The EU's patience is just about dried up. Padoan is the perfect choice for Greek style austerity. He will make Italians pine for the good old days under Monti the Destroyer.

Anonymous Dave December 04, 2016 7:03 PM  

One of my favorite Pepe: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cy3shktWQAAbNMp.jpg

Blogger Ben Cohen December 04, 2016 7:05 PM  

The euro is crashing. Bring back the Lira!

Anonymous #8601 December 04, 2016 7:06 PM  

And the Euro is plunging.

Blogger Fifty Seven December 04, 2016 7:07 PM  

@21

Most of the news sources look like they're copypasting the same press release right now. Business Insider is saying the vics were chosen at random, which seems... Unlikely.

Anonymous JAMES December 04, 2016 7:11 PM  

Does anyone with a better knowledge than me know what the likely outcome of the PMs resignation will be?

Will fresh elections be triggered or will the establishment just parachute another technocrat into place?

Blogger Ben Cohen December 04, 2016 7:11 PM  

God Emperor Trump on the phone now with Beppe Grillo.

Chris Christie set to be ambassador to Italy with unlimited access to the finest Italian dining and opera.

Blogger pyrrhus December 04, 2016 7:14 PM  

It's a massacre, Euro is plunging...it's all good!

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 04, 2016 7:16 PM  

Ben Cohen wrote:The euro is crashing. Bring back the Lira!

Ah yes, I remember when it was about 1500 to the dollar, and 50 was the smallest coin, so the grocery store would just round down because why not? Any difference would just be a fraction of a penny anyway.

But that was a good thing! They were able to inflate away their budgetary profligacy and spread the pain around. Now they can't. I can't even imagine the consequences.

Blogger roundeye December 04, 2016 7:18 PM  

I know this is no time to dance in the end zone, but I really want to dance in the end zone.

Anonymous Dave December 04, 2016 7:19 PM  

OT but so apropos: the Russian-made jeep carrying the ashes of the late Cuban dictator Fidel Castro broke down in the middle of his funeral procession on Saturday, forcing soldiers to push the vehicle until it could be repaired.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/04/castro-ashes-breaks-down-viva-la-revolucion/

Blogger Cinco December 04, 2016 7:45 PM  

UPDATE: Renzi has kept his word and resigned.

We never celebrate the good times that they double down!

Blogger praetorian December 04, 2016 7:48 PM  

And the Euro is plunging.

[german watch collecting intensifies]

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 04, 2016 7:52 PM  

More optimism: Italy has a population of around 60mm; Austria, 8.5mm.

On a raw numbers basis, that's a lot more Euros skeptical of the EU :)

Another takeaway - This means that, like Brexit, the spread was a lot higher than the 5-10% voter fraud the EU parties are unabashed about. This *might* give a Merkel loss slight hope, and some slight(er) hope for Le Pen. Not much, but a maybe.

Anonymous Soylent_Green December 04, 2016 7:53 PM  

Glorious! Glorious news!

Anonymous JAMES December 04, 2016 7:56 PM  

Yeah I don't hold much hope for Le Pen sadly. The system they have in France doesn't allow much chance.

But FN is slowly dragging the cucks and the mainstream political culture kicking and screaming to the right.

That much is a blessing at least.

Blogger pyrrhus December 04, 2016 7:58 PM  

@36 Southern Europe has always relied on devaluation to fix things...which usually worked. Under the euro, that was impossible....oops!

Blogger Lazarus December 04, 2016 8:01 PM  

roundeye wrote:I know this is no time to dance in the end zone, but I really want to dance in the end zone.

Dance, little SugarPlum fairy, dance.

Just don't mess up the Gronk-worthy spike at the end.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 04, 2016 8:07 PM  

Ben Cohen wrote:Chris Christie set to be ambassador to Italy with unlimited access to the finest Italian dining and opera.

Probably the best political position for Christie. Naples and Jersey are the same blood..."You don't wanna move the garbage? We don't see why you'd need any bridges into town..."

Blogger Open Carry December 04, 2016 8:11 PM  

From La Stampa, "L’Italia ha votato: vince il No col 59,7% dei voti e il Sì fermo a 40,2% (90% delle schede scrutinate). L’affluenza alle urne è stata del 68,44%."

59.7% to 40.2% with 90% of the votes counted. Turnout 68.4 percent. This is one big NO.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir December 04, 2016 8:22 PM  

@34: "...unlimited access to the finest Italian dining and opera." Sounds good to me, Ben.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 04, 2016 8:31 PM  

Is this as big for Italy as brexit? Trumps election?

Blogger Phillip George December 04, 2016 8:36 PM  

Breaking news. Comet pizza in today's take down the alt false flag.
Every one got warned this was going to happen

Blogger Lazarus December 04, 2016 8:44 PM  

Phillip George wrote:Breaking news. Comet pizza in today's take down the alt false flag.

Every one got warned this was going to happen


Good. More people will hear about it.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 04, 2016 8:48 PM  

RE: The Comet Pizza thing - since only about 5% of people even trust the MSM...I'd expect a few more memberships in the NRA and Gun Owners of America after this. Or similar.

I just think of the Sandy Hook Effect - where NRA, GOA membership grew, tons of guns sold, literally tons of ammo...I also never saw as many people thinking that something was a false flag as Sandy Hook either.

Whether false flag or not, it won't have the effect they think. SJWs will be as frothy as ever. Well, maybe more after the Italy vote...

Anonymous Greg December 04, 2016 8:48 PM  

I hear Jill Stein is already collecting money for a recount.

Anonymous Wyrd December 04, 2016 8:53 PM  

I hear Jill Stein is already collecting money for a recount.

No refunds. Bwahahahaha!

Blogger Dave December 04, 2016 8:55 PM  

Stein might still be collecting donations but yestrrday she told PA judge she couldn't afford $1M bond for statewide recount. As the God-Emperor tweeted it's all a big scam.

Anonymous Ignorant Aussie December 04, 2016 8:55 PM  

Wake up Marrku and tell us what happened in Finland? A jewgle search shows the politician shot was from the social democrats who are pro muslim invasion.

In other news:

A false flag at comet pizza. Someone entered with a shot gun but nobody was shot. Obviously the investigations into comet pizza are making someone nervous enough to stage an excuse to discredit/vilify the investigation.

And a white woman kidnapped weeks ago, who made national news, was tortured and starved by hispanics (including women) who branded something into her skin (police won't say what it was). A sign of the coming race war?

https://archive.is/o2Vrw

And finally apparently the US has a bill to outlaw 'fake news'.

Anonymous Siobhan December 04, 2016 9:21 PM  

OT: what's going on in New Zealand,their PM seems to have just spontaneously resigned???

Blogger Markku December 04, 2016 9:32 PM  

Police have released no other information than that he is a Finnish citizen. From the phrasing, immigrant with citizenship is possible, as is a real Finn. And he is 23 years old. The police have said they will release more information tomorrow. Current theory is that it was a random shooting, and the victim just happened to be a politician, but they are not ruling out political motives.

Anonymous JAMES December 04, 2016 9:34 PM  

Siobhan it's NZ.

Who knows why the kiwis do the things that they do?

The man resigning as PM was an arch Cuckservative so no big loss.

Blogger Markku December 04, 2016 9:40 PM  

He drove to the scene, immediately shot three women with a hunting rifle, then surrendered to the police with no resistance at all. Onlookers say that he was very calm during the whole thing. It was a stolen rifle. The whole deal was such that he couldn't have acted alone, AND specifically targeted the politician and the reporters, because they were just quickly and randomly popping into that night club. It has to either be random, or there have to be co-conspirators who followed the women and informed the shooter. My guess is that he was only able to steal a couple of rounds of ammo, so he shot what he had, and then he was done.

Anonymous Godfrey December 04, 2016 9:42 PM  

If I had to pick just one of the two votes to win (Austria or Italy), this would have been the one I would have picked.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 04, 2016 10:06 PM  

If I had to pick just one of the two votes to win (Austria or Italy), this would have been the one I would have picked.

@61 Godfrey
I would have picked Austria over Italy, personally. Italians don't give a shit if Europe is overrun with Muslims -- they give them free ferry service, for pete's sake -- and approve of Hillary Clinton over Trump by something like a 10 to 1 ratio.

Anonymous Greg December 04, 2016 10:08 PM  

@61

Same here. It looks like this vote has the potential to unravel the whole EU, whereas the Austria vote would have only served to add some momentum to the anti-EU movement.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 04, 2016 10:57 PM  

Just my two cents' worth: "Censeo ceterum Unionem Europaeam dilendam esse." (h/t Tim Worstall)

Anonymous JAMES December 04, 2016 11:21 PM  

On preference for win in Austria or Italy it depends on what comes next.

Italy actually struggling against the EU straitjacket could cause some damage to the beast.

But if they're just going to go typically Italiano on it I think I would have preferred an Austrian victory.

Blogger EscapeVelocity December 04, 2016 11:33 PM  

The Austrians might as well formally join Germany.

They love being German cucks.

Blogger EscapeVelocity December 04, 2016 11:35 PM  

The Austria vote was way less critical than the Italian vote.

Austrian Presidency is a powerless ceremonial position.

Blogger Phillip George December 04, 2016 11:40 PM  

Why harp on about this? IF Julian Assange is dead or renditioned it's happened at a time and place the so called elite think that they can steal or kill anyone anywhere. If the alt cannot reasonably well respond to such a very high profile murder that cannot be put down to a lee Harvey type of patsy then it is game set and match over with.
Murdering Assange in broad provable public daylight is a critical line in the sand for everyone.
Think about, really think about it

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 05, 2016 12:20 AM  

Austrian Presidency is a powerless ceremonial position.

One of those ceremonies is the swearing in of a new chancellor, and Van der Bellen has threatened to refuse to swear one in from Hofner's party. So the stakes were a little higher than usual, but it would really be one of those "nice problem to have" kind of things if they ended up in that position.

Blogger wreckage December 05, 2016 12:20 AM  

Lacedaemonian: "Think."

Anonymous LF December 05, 2016 12:26 AM  

You people don't understand.
We might have defeated the international elite, but our national elite today won.
The statist bureocracy that allways let us down and slowly destroyed us today won.
It was a vote AGAINST draining the swamp and FOR slow death by socialism, because italians are morons.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 05, 2016 12:35 AM  

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Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 05, 2016 12:36 AM  

@ LF:

So if that was a false choice between poop sandwiches with or without tomato -- yay, poop with tomato won! -- then set up a vote on a real choice.

This is real life. No one else will do for you. To suggest something is to volunteer for it.

Anonymous LF December 05, 2016 12:41 AM  

Except We did so thousands of times and each time our results were bureaucratized out of existance. Or Corrupt-judged out of existance.
Our biggest problem isn't the EU, It's that we can't drain the swamp.
Someone Else winning with an actual possibility to govern could have done It. It was not to be.

Anonymous LF December 05, 2016 12:44 AM  

They'll double-down, obviously.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 05, 2016 1:06 AM  

@75. So, what can you do about it? What are you WILLING to do about it? If your government is so corrupt that it doesn't uphold the law, who's gonna enforce executions for the treasonous individuals who won't be officially tried for it?

Anonymous LF December 05, 2016 1:32 AM  

Nothing, because we allready tried everything múltiple time and failed.
Just like the army won't sink NGOs ships bringing "refugees" in but will definitelly shoot in the crowd if we
protest It, or do anything of any importance whatever. Nobody. Because we can't even get near them.
I suppose I could murder some bureaucrats and then flee to Brasil: It's famous for not giving extradition to italian criminals. It'll have 0 effect in the end.
Everything has 0 effect here.

Blogger weka December 05, 2016 1:37 AM  

@59. Key resigned after eight years as PM, wit 50% popularity, eighteen months before the next election.

He is a globalist and the conservative (National) party is converged. He was a bloody good currency trader before going into politics.

I think he has had enough of the job (he does not want to do all of a 4th term -- most governments in NZ last three terms at most ie 9 years) and he sees our property bubble bursting, the end of free trade, so he is getting out while his policies still appear successful.

The left in NZ are crowing. They don't understand that after a successful cuckservative (Key is akin to Reagan/Bush I) you will get Pepe.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 05, 2016 1:44 AM  

@77. Bullshit.

Look, I get despair, and the discouragement of not seeing things have much effect, but in all truthfulness, everything you do DOES have an effect, however small.

What you need to do is find what you can do to cause the biggest effects towards your goals. Find people that share the same ideas and perspectives as you, make friends with them, strategize, strengthen that community of people, bring them together, do everything you can to promote that influence.

Use every possible tool that will benefit you in the long run, work your way up, grab the snake by the neck, crush its head.

You don't give up. If the snake turns out to be a hydra and starts regrowing heads, scorch the earth where it feeds so that nothing can grow, bring the monstrosity into the light, kill it with fire.

Do. Not. Give. Up.

Blogger Shimshon December 05, 2016 1:45 AM  

The big joke of the referendum is that it never would've smoothed bureaucracy at all. All it would have done, from my understanding, is smooth the ability to pass new laws. Given the Italian penchant for ever-increasing bureaucracy, did anyone honestly believe that more power means less bureaucracy? I don't think so. What a great victory for Italy and the whole world!

Anonymous Bz December 05, 2016 4:50 AM  

Stocks are up all over Europe currently, seems like it was good news.

Blogger Lovekraft December 05, 2016 5:56 AM  

And if you look at a breakdown of the votes, those supporting the EU consist of bureaucrats and their NGO lobby arm, baby boomer idealists, hordes of immigrant voting enclaves.

The average citizen likely overwhelmingly wants autonomy and to break free of the European system.

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