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Thursday, December 29, 2016

How Putin influenced the US election

The Saker explains how Vladimir Putin really did influence the recent US presidential election:
I will dare to speculate that Russia did play a role in the election of Trump. No, not by hacking emails or by recruiting Ron Paul (!!!) as an agent of Russian propaganda, but by openly and firmly confronting the USA on all fronts and showing that Russia would not bend her knee before the AngloZionist Empire. As I have written many times, Russia has been preparing for war for years now and while Russians were (and still are) afraid of war, they are also ready and willing to fight it if forced to do so. In his latest press conference Putin specifically referred to the will of the Russian people as a key element in Russia’s ability to defeat any aggressor when he said,

We are stronger than any potential aggressor. I have no problem repeating it. I also said why we are stronger. This has to do with the effort to modernise the Russian Armed Forces, as well as the history and geography of our country, and the current state of Russian society

and he is absolutely right. Sure, Hillary was probably stupid enough to try to impose a no-fly zone over Syria, but the 200 or so generals and admirals who expressed their support for Trump probably understood what that kind of folly would entail. Furthermore, it appears that quite a few Americans are sympathetic to Russia and Putin himself. Again, in his latest press conference Putin referred to this and made some very interesting comments:

I do not take support for the Russian President among a large part of Republican voters as support for me personally, but rather see it in this case as an indication that a substantial part of the American people share similar views with us on the world’s organisation, what we ought to be doing, and the common threats and challenges we are facing. It is good that there are people who sympathise with our views on traditional values because this forms a good foundation on which to build relations between two such powerful countries as Russia and the United States, build them on the basis of our peoples’ mutual sympathy. (…) It seems to me that Reagan would be happy to see his party’s people winning everywhere, and would welcome the victory of the newly elected President so adept at catching the public mood, and who took precisely this direction and pressed onwards to the very end, even when no one except us believed he could win.

Putin puts it down to values, common values, between the Russian and the American people.

Personal sidebar: for whatever this is worth, I regularly interact with Americans who support Putin on the grounds that "he stands for American values unlike the SOBs in Washington".

But how did the Americans become aware of what values Putin and Russia stood for if not for the ceaseless efforts of Putin himself and the alternative media to convey these values to the general public? I think that by OPENLY denouncing the total hypocrisy of the AngloZionist Empire and by OPENLY offering a different civilizational model, Putin and Russia did have an impact on the public opinion in the West. To put it simply: Russia has scored an ideological victory over the AngloZionist imperialists. In other words, the Russian policy of standing firm against the Empire while openly challenging it on its ideological foundation was the correct one and it probably did have an impact upon the outcome of the election in the USA.

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74 Comments:

Anonymous joe mc December 29, 2016 9:18 AM  

Fake news KGB paid for propaganda..if this were then 50s this would be treason.

Blogger Gordon December 29, 2016 9:22 AM  

ahhh...no. I'd guess that 98 percent of Trump voters would have no idea what "AngloZionist Empire" means, and further, have no interest in finding out. There may be a vague sense of "why are we picking a fight with this guy?" in some, but I'd guess that number is nearly as small.

People really, really dislike Hillary. They disliked Trump somewhat less.

Blogger Some Dude December 29, 2016 9:26 AM  

Excellent analysis.

Putin is the one uncucked white politician. All the rest are bribed, blackmailed or bribed by (((O___0)))) to feed their people to the wolves.

Blogger Some Dude December 29, 2016 9:26 AM  

#Or brainwashed.

Blogger Some Dude December 29, 2016 9:33 AM  

"There may be a vague sense of "why are we picking a fight with this guy?" in some, but I'd guess that number is nearly as small."

So you think the Russia created Trump thing is working well for the ((neocons)) then and the implicit let's risk nuclear war to stop white nationalism line will work?

They don't care that your gentile sons die in the barren deserts of Iraq and Iran for Zion. They don't care.

Their media is polling at 27% credibility.

Note 'credibility', not favorability. The Illusion is now fading. Thank god.

Blogger CarpeOro December 29, 2016 9:34 AM  

@2
Ahhh...yes. Social and political movements are never broad to the point where "98 percent" understand fundamentally what is going on. They are lead by a smaller portion that have a vision of where they want to go. Successful movements come about because the vision aligns with the values and interests of a greater number, and the vision is successfully conveyed by the leader(s) of the movement. Trump had a vision that aligned with a large number to the point that even though not all comprehend the full scope of his vision, they identified with enough of it at a gut level to give him their support.

Anonymous Azimus December 29, 2016 9:36 AM  

Whether you call it Anglo-Zionist Empire or Globalism or ComIntern, Trump campaigned openly against the faceless forces dismantling the American economic engine and the society that built it (yes we did build that Barry). That Putin has done so in parallel is a credit to him, and he has risked much in doing so. That said his reasons for doing so are quite different than ours - our reasons have more to do with good paying jobs, personal wealth, personal liberty, and the traditional American lifestyle. His has more to do with looking down the barrels of guns being ringed around his nation.

Blogger Robert Divinity December 29, 2016 9:46 AM  

Fake news KGB paid for propaganda..if this were then 50s this would be treason.

The key to what The Saker wrote was "openly." Unlike the clandestine disinformation campaign the Left, Neo-Cons, and Establishment Republicans conducted, Russia's positions were discussed and debated. The only propaganda in this campaign came from internal enemies who used "Fake News" and probably have come to regret that meme, which is associated with their whores in our state-controlled press.

The Saker now is on my must-read list. Thanks, Vox Day.

Blogger Johnny December 29, 2016 9:47 AM  

Elections are about choices and so it is fair to point out the merits of the other side. This stuff is penny anti compared with the big bucks Trump was running against. Also, in this instance, our interests and the interests of Russia coincide, causing whatever influence Russia had to be benign.

Blogger Some Dude December 29, 2016 9:51 AM  

Look its a simple equation.

Nuclear war vs no nuclear war.

The CIA messing around in Ukraine and Georgia doesn't get press. Putin had his ambassador killed in Turkey by (((them))). BY rights, he should be declaring war.

But I guess he knows, war against America, is not war against Americans per se. That is his insight.

Blogger Ceerilan December 29, 2016 10:20 AM  

Fake news KGB paid for propaganda..if this were then 50s this would be treason.

Not even in the 50's was this the case. Actual evidence for this type of treason being perpetrated by western communists exists. Look up Alan Winnington. Accusations are leveled by Turner Joy in is book how communits negotiate.

Blogger praetorian December 29, 2016 10:22 AM  

Fake news KGB paid for propaganda..if this were then 50s this would be treason.

Fake comment.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 29, 2016 10:23 AM  

In the 1980s, many liberals, including the media, were convinced that Reagan would have gotten us into a nuclear war if not for the peace-loving peacefulness of the great peacemaker Gorbachev. The commie even got a Nobel Peace Prize for preventing Reagan from starting WWIII, didn't he?

It was all nonsense, of course. But now we may be living through a time when a Russian leader truly prevented American leaders from starting a world war -- not because he's a peacenik, but because he's a practical man putting his nation's interests first.

Something tells me Putin won't get any prizes for it.

Anonymous Impeach Lindsey Graham December 29, 2016 10:53 AM  

#1 doesn't understand how it works:
- The best bet is to say that the MSM is lying by default -
so, in the 50s they were lying about Soviet influence when they said there wasn't any, and now they are lying about the extent when they say behind every corner is "Russian influence" concerning Trump - but then they fail to report on Hillary and Podesta connections (Uranium, lobbying) with Russia.

Also, I find it suspicious that Lindsey Graham and John McCain are so anti-Putin when they both receive funding from Access Industries (run by a Ukrainian-born US citizen).

For any lawyer-types, when Lindsey Graham was still in the Air Force reserves he received contributions from Access Industries (seems like a conflict of interest to me - maybe not on the Senate side, but on the Military side as to receiving funds from someone who may not be "America First" but perhaps not classified as a "foreign agent").

The Air Force document:

POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE US AIR FORCE

Prohibited Activities

4.1.9. Solicit or otherwise engage in fund-raising activities in federal offices or facilities, including military reservations, for any partisan political party, candidate, or cause. (See also paragraphs 4.1.1 and 4.1.16.)

http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_ja/publication/afi51-902/afi51-902.pdf


Back when Trump revealed Lindsey Graham's cell phone, Trump said that Lindsey Graham would call for donations. So if Lindsey Graham called from any Federal building on behalf of any candidate (including himself) would he be in violation of Air Force regs?

Blogger Joshua_D December 29, 2016 10:54 AM  

I remember during the Republican debates, there were QUITE A FEW candidates who talked about how they were itching for a fight with Russia. They all lost. Americans are tired of war, and we certainly harbor no ill will against Russia. The Boomers may still want to fight the Cold War, but us GenXers don't.

Blogger pyrrhus December 29, 2016 10:54 AM  

Indeed, the Saker nails it...Putin has been fighting Anglo-Zionist Globalism with success, and so will Americans if they want to survive the coming upheavals...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 29, 2016 10:55 AM  

"Fake news KGB paid for propaganda."

Produced in a secret underground bunker somewhere outside of Leningrad, no doubt.

Blogger Jack Ward December 29, 2016 10:55 AM  

I can sense a scene, at the Kremlin, where one of Putin's advisers hands him a book. He says,'Vladimir' you should read this. It's a translation of 'Victoria' the novel.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 29, 2016 11:01 AM  

Azimus wrote:Whether you call it Anglo-Zionist Empire or Globalism or ComIntern, Trump campaigned openly against the faceless forces dismantling the American economic engine and the society that built it (yes we did build that Barry). That Putin has done so in parallel is a credit to him, and he has risked much in doing so. That said his reasons for doing so are quite different than ours - our reasons have more to do with good paying jobs, personal wealth, personal liberty, and the traditional American lifestyle. His has more to do with looking down the barrels of guns being ringed around his nation.

This is it, pretty much - where the political particulars don't matter as much as the instinctual feeling of united interests. I don't particularly agree with some of Putin's politics or actions, but at least he errs on the side of Russia as an independent nation and the Russians do seem to care about their national interests and preserving their culture.

This was a place that magically went from 0% Christian in the 1980s to something like 70% in a matter of weeks.

While the specific policies may not hit home, it's that general feeling that if something is wrong, one fixes it. And we (many) sympathize with Putin and Russia because they are essentially bullied on the international stage for doing things like having a currency, separate diplomatic relations, or upholding traditions.

Ah! Who are we kidding - 65 million Americans are on Russian payroll. How much did you guys get? Or what, rather? I opted for cash, unmarked envelope. My buddy got a used Saab. Used, but good condition. A little TLC and that thing runs like a top.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 29, 2016 11:01 AM  

@Ceerilan
"Actual evidence for this type of treason being perpetrated by western communists exists. Look up Alan Winnington."

Look up the Venona decrypts. Or "Blacklisted by History." McCarthy was right.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 29, 2016 11:11 AM  

@Joshua_D
"The Boomers may still want to fight the Cold War, but us GenXers don't."

It's almost as if this Russophobia is promoted by a group of people who have a tribal hatred for Russians in general, but were willing to put up with them as long as they were ruled by Communists, and fail to understand that the typical American view is nearly the opposite. The majority of Americans dislike Communism, but have either no particular feelings about the Russian people, or feel at least a vague sympathy with a white, Christian nation that is pushing back, at least a little bit, against the forces of globalism and degeneracy.

Blogger Rentaghost okish December 29, 2016 11:18 AM  

Napoleon thought he could bring Russia to its knees and failed spectacularly... Hitler thought he could kick the Russian door in and the whole structure would come crashing down and it ended with a million German women getting raped in their own neighborhoods...Hey, ZOG, 3rd time's a charm?

Blogger Cail Corishev December 29, 2016 11:18 AM  

The Boomers may still want to fight the Cold War, but us GenXers don't.

I wonder if that comes from a difference in how we saw nuclear war growing up. My grade school had "fallout shelter" signs in the basement, with instructions about what to do in case of nuclear war. Those were put in when the Boomers were kids, and they used to have drills just like fire and tornado drills. But by the time I was there in the 1980s, we ignored them, because no one still thought hiding in a basement would help -- and we weren't sure surviving long enough to have to choose between starvation or fallout would be so great anyway. If you weren't underground, behind a layer of lead, with enough food and water to last for years, you were toast.

To someone born in 1969, the idea of provoking unnecessary war with Russia makes about as much sense as asking for a hole in the head.

Blogger bob kek mando ( NABTY ) December 29, 2016 11:22 AM  

16. Joshua_D December 29, 2016 10:54 AM
The Boomers may still want to fight the Cold War, but us GenXers don't.



fucking GenXers.

don't you pansies know how evil Putin is? we protested Vietnam! when we tell you it's a righteous war, WE WOULD KNOW. because we took LSD and smoked pot and attended Woodstock and shit in the mud.

kids these days, i tell you what.

[ / BoomerTardMode ]

Blogger Scott6584 December 29, 2016 11:29 AM  

You have to admire Putin's willingness to stand up for both Russians and being masculine. Russia has a unique national heritage that is unlike other nations. Other white cultures also have unique identities, but don't have any prominent champions. I happen to be Anglo-Saxon. That is distinct from being Iberian, Gaulic, Germanic, Greco-Roman, Scandinavian, Slavic, Turkish, Austro-Hingarian, Baltic, Polish, Romanian, Celtic, Swiss, Dutch, or any other "white" culture.

Unless or until these other cultures identify champions of their own, the West will continue to decline. The feminine instinct to submit to dominance by others is why feminism is such a poison, and it is incumbent upon men to stand up and take back their cultures. Putin and Wilders in Holland are the two champions that I can name off the top of my head. Where are the others?

Blogger bw December 29, 2016 11:38 AM  

Gorbachev....It was all nonsense, of course.

He miraculously wound up a Globalist Agenda 21 globalist enviro agent working out of The Presidio, didn't he?
Amazing!

Anonymous BBGKB December 29, 2016 11:40 AM  

They don't care that your gentile sons die in the barren deserts of Iraq and Iran for Zion.

Israel's national anthem is "Onward Christian Soldiers"

Ah! Who are we kidding - 65 million Americans are on Russian payroll. How much did you guys get? Or what, rather? I opted for cash

I opted for Russians on top of my bed, those NY Times reporters don't know what they are missing by having them under bed.

OT State Farm took out an ad to help TRUMP win https://goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/rape-farm/
Goodbye America - Interracial pedophilia State Farm ad ... an endearing bedtime moment with a white teen in pajamas and a 30-ish black guy. Anthony Weiner, eat your heart out.

Blogger Teri December 29, 2016 11:50 AM  

Some time before the election, I watched Charlie Rose interview Putin. It was interesting. He pointed out that Assad was the elected head of Syria and that countries should not be in the business of removing the elected head of a country. I found myself more in agreement with Putin than with any of Obama's policies. I also think Americans are not crazy about going to war to protect the Ukraine.

If there is a country that we should be concerned about, it is China. Dems love to give them a pass because they take money from them. I have more in common with the citizens of Russia than I do with the Chinese. The big change with the new administration will be the focus on doing things for Americans.

Blogger Some Dude December 29, 2016 11:52 AM  

Napoleon thought he could bring Russia to its knees and failed spectacularly... Hitler thought he could kick the Russian door in and the whole structure would come crashing down and it ended with a million German women getting raped in their own neighborhoods...Hey, ZOG, 3rd time's a charm?

It would be history's greatest ever irony that its most powerful empire, Zion, was to similarly founded in the Russian steppes.

Zion also has the charmed distinction of being's history's most unknown empire to its subjects.

Blogger Some Dude December 29, 2016 11:52 AM  

#flounder in the Russian steppes

Anonymous daddynichol December 29, 2016 12:21 PM  

Democrat Progressives understand Russians about as well as they understand the American voter.

Anonymous GregMan December 29, 2016 12:22 PM  

"It is good that there are people who sympathise with our views on traditional values"

I am one of them, Vladimir Vladimirovich. There are many others.

Blogger SB Wright December 29, 2016 12:28 PM  

I can believe that Putin standing firm was an influence. In political discussions with friends not long before the election, I used the threat of war with Russia if Hillary were to win to concern-troll undecideds to vote Trump. These were all libertarian-leaning individuals, but observations about current international events and Hillary’s raging war-boner over Syria, etc., combined later with a few of those Hillary pro-war memes put them in the camp of the God-Emperor. I am not gifted at rhetoric, so this tells me it wasn’t a hard sell and Putin was disliked far less than Her. Very likely these were people who were already considering voting Trump, and having another independent voter make the case made it more acceptable. I live in a swing state, so it was quite the thrill November 8th as it closed in on midnight and it was clear that, by the expressed will of the American voters, I was the new leader of the Alt-Right (and you can, too!).

Anonymous Will Martindale December 29, 2016 12:29 PM  

Russia is such a tyrannical country (/sarc) that Putin restored trial by jury throughout the entire country. See Seattle University Law Review Vol. 26:399.

It is my hope that with Trump we are seeing the beginnings of something analogous to Jerry Pournelle's CoDominium.

Blogger justaguy December 29, 2016 1:11 PM  

No we Boomers do not want to fight the Russians. Those of us who were in the military in the 70's when it looked bleak know how lucky we were to win. (Carter years- over dozen countries converted to communism, possibly problems on border with El Salvador and Nicaragua inciting Mexico..) It took a man like Reagan who somehow stopped the decline. We want the peace we earned and hopefully those elites who couldn't be bothered to serve (reserves don't count) will stop trying play chickenhawks.

Blogger Orville December 29, 2016 1:16 PM  

I don't believe for a second that most of the voting public was concerned about war with Russia, or the anglo-zionist empire. A. they hated Hillary, and B. they voted because they were worse of economically than before, and C. Trump tapped into a growing populist vibe against the elite who can't find their ass with both hands and a flashlight.

Blogger Alec Rawls December 29, 2016 2:01 PM  

American conservatives are sympethetic to Russia because the Russians are afflicted by the same Islamofascist enemy we are, and we have some sympathy for Putin (despite his depredations in Eastern Europe and his alliance of convenience with Iran) because he seems on the whole willing to fight our common Islamofascist enemy. As for Republicans and conservatives being concerned about some "Anglo-Zionist empire," who ever even heard of such a thing, never mind had a view of Putin's position on it, or thought to care? People are concerned about the evil shit religion of Islam and conservatives are the strongest supporters of Israel in the world, surpassing the divided Israelies themselves.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 29, 2016 2:05 PM  

I personally convinced 9 people to vote for Trump who otherwise would have voted 3rd party or not voted. All of them were on the basis of "Hillary wants to start a war with Russia over Syria".
I pointed dozens of people to MSM articles quoting her directly saying she would willingly shoot down Russian jets in order to topple Assad. Every single person knew what that meant. Some were not willing to vote Trump anyway, but none of them were stupid or bloody minded enough to vote for Hillary after having that pointed out.statement pointed out.

So, in a way. Russia did help elect Trump.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 29, 2016 2:09 PM  

I'd guess that 98 percent of Trump voters would have no idea what "AngloZionist Empire" means

No, not by any such name, but they saw and understood the results of it on their lives and their communities. Voters didn't much like either candidate. Trump didn't win because people disliked him less, he won because voters in critical states were adults and voted for the candidate with the best program - rolling back the globalism (aka AngloZionist Empire) that was killing their way of life.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 29, 2016 2:25 PM  

@BBGKB

Russians ON the bed is far, far better. "Hacking" as a euphemism for something, c'est ne pas?

Blogger VFM #7634 December 29, 2016 2:34 PM  

For those of you who don't think most Americans thought about the Russians: that may be true, but consider that those Americans who did were an important minority who in fact influenced the thinking of many of their compatriots enough to get them to vote for Trump.

As with any revolution, it's an influential minority who does the actual thinking, fighting, and leading.

Blogger Harsh December 29, 2016 2:37 PM  

In 10 years when the US-Russian-Anglo alliance is dictating the terms of world affairs to China, Israel, and the rest of the world, this made-up story about Russian hacking will be more than amusing...

Blogger Harsh December 29, 2016 2:37 PM  

In 10 years when the US-Russian-Anglo alliance is dictating the terms of world affairs to China, Israel, and the rest of the world, this made-up story about Russian hacking will be more than amusing...

Blogger JWM in SD December 29, 2016 2:58 PM  

This is a nice intellectual exercise but Obama just expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed two compounds. No Bueno folks...

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 29, 2016 3:12 PM  

"Something tells me Putin won't get any prizes for it."

The Nobel Peace prize is a Fake Award.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 29, 2016 3:29 PM  

Obama just expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed two compounds. No Bueno folks...

Unlike Bibi with the UN vote, the Russians appear to recognize this for what it is - the last gasp of a political corpse.

On the one hand it cracks me up that almost every MSM story covering these mad duck executive actions by Obama makes some claim Trump won't be able to undo them. Yeah, right. That executive authority pen his the God-Emperor's in three weeks and one day.

On the other hand, WTF Obama? Really? Way to show the world you really are a fucking shithead by flipping the bird at the entire concept of democratically elected leaders. Trump probably should make some sort of announcement that any career bureaucrats who implement Obama's mad duckery will be summarily fired on Jan 21st and an executive order will revoke their pensions along with any severance in their contracts.

Blogger Salt December 29, 2016 3:35 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:Trump probably should make some sort of announcement that any career bureaucrats who implement Obama's mad duckery will be summarily fired on Jan 21st and an executive order will revoke their pensions along with any severance in their contracts.

That would joyously get Obama's knickers in a wad. He can't be gone soon enough.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 29, 2016 3:37 PM  

Obama just expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed two compounds.

Good to know it's that easy. Should be even easier to shut down various UN operations, since the UN isn't even a sovereign country. Ditto any EU offices over here.

Blogger Robert Divinity December 29, 2016 3:48 PM  

Obama just expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed two compounds.

Two of those were on the FBI Most Wanted List. Seriously. Our country is in the best of hands.

Good to know it's that easy. Should be even easier to shut down various UN operations, since the UN isn't even a sovereign country. Ditto any EU offices over here.

Those are the more serious security threats, too, which of course means the left-wing will demand they be allowed to stay 'cause the children.

Anonymous RA December 29, 2016 3:54 PM  

I convinced a few of my super liberal friends to at least withhold their vote for Hillary solely on the basis of her on-the-record words regarding defying Russia with a no fly zone declaration. I asked each of them: do you want a war with Russia? Because that's what we're getting if Hillary wins.

And now watch the fireworks, watch how hard Obama, Kerry et al are shoving the rest of us toward their desired ends. One of those guys just called today, said you were right, Obama is trying to provoke Russia. Obama is hitting new lows for mendacity; he can't leave too soon.

Agree wholeheartedly with Jack Amok's comment regarding what Trump should say. I would go further though: add possible charges of treason against every bureaucrat manager who passes Obama's order down the chain for execution. Then announce UN will be defunded as soon as he can get that through Congress. Trump won't go that far, but the UN should be evicted from NYC as well. Tell them they can set up shop in Dinkytown, Minneapolis next door to the Somalians. All that prime NYC real estate going to waste. Way too juicy to pass up...

Anonymous Pennywise December 29, 2016 3:59 PM  

There wasn't going to be a war if Shillery was elected. Talk about fake news stories.

Putin has clearly demonstrated that he is about himself under the guise of making Russia great over the past three decades.

Trump hasn't drained the swamp with his elitist cabinet.

Welcome to the 21st century. Enjoy the decline. If nuclear war happens, or the U.S. economy tanks, then the blood bath between the Alt-Right vs. the elites/globalocrats will begin in earnest.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 29, 2016 4:01 PM  

I would go further though: add possible charges of treason against every bureaucrat manager who passes Obama's order down the chain for execution.

It's dangerous ground to tread, setting up a future Rubicon, but Obama's actions as a lame duck are frankly treasonous. His party was replaced, he is a caretaker and should not make any serious decisions between the election and inauguration, and if required to, should make them in consultation with the incoming administration.

But, we always knew he didn't give a shit about the actual forms of our government beyond however far he could exploit them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 29, 2016 4:16 PM  

Robert Divinity wrote:Those are the more serious security threats, too, which of course means the left-wing will demand they be allowed to stay 'cause the children.
So much more available here, plus, Diplomatic Immunity!

Anonymous RA December 29, 2016 4:42 PM  

@Jack Amok: You do have a good point about future Rubicons.

But we can be sure there will be no further consultations with the incoming administration. Or if there are, they will be nothing more than lip service. That's two major decisions now that were clearly the opposite of what Trump would have done. With the threat of more to come.

Really think Trump has to make a statement here.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 29, 2016 5:38 PM  

Those are the more serious security threats, too, which of course means the left-wing will demand [UN and EU diplomats] be allowed to stay 'cause the children.

From what we've heard of the personal hobbies of UN workers in other lands, "the children" might be why they were here in the first place. After clearing them out of their offices, check the paperwork to see how many pizza parties they had catered.

Blogger bosscauser December 29, 2016 5:46 PM  

Just what did Putin do to us? Embarrass the Kenyan in the White House?

#PresidentTrump

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 29, 2016 6:19 PM  

Obama just expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed two compounds.


"Stroke of the pen", eh? Cool. So it should be just as easy to shut down about 99% of the Mexican government offices in the US, right?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 29, 2016 6:28 PM  

Pennywise
There wasn't going to be a war if Shillery was elected.

How do you know? She wanted a "no fly" zone over Syria, said so in the 3rd debate. That would have inevitably led to a US aircraft firing on a Russian aircraft. A SAM counterattack would then lead to US SAM suppression. If the SAM suppression involved Russian naval warships, the next step after that is Russian suppression of US naval aircraft, maybe by sinking a US carrier.

That leaves out the very real possibility of Little Green Men popping up in Ukraine if Hillary Rodan had won, in order for Russia to secure its southern flank. You've been here long enough to have seen this line of reasoning.

Blogger Lovekraft December 29, 2016 6:51 PM  

So there's a peace deal between Assad's regime and rebels.

Would someone explain who these rebels are? A pre-war faction? Jihadi remnants?

Blogger Lovekraft December 29, 2016 6:59 PM  

@52: Hope you don't mind but I copied your comment over at BB. Didn't use your handle.

Anonymous BBGKB December 29, 2016 7:14 PM  

Even if the Russians hacked all of the DNC fraud & crimes, it still was DNC fraud and Crimes.

but the UN should be evicted from NYC as well. Tell them they can set up shop in Dinkytown, Minneapolis next door to the Somalians

I recommend either along the Southern Border wall or in North Alaska, for the UN and any career FEDs that can't be fired.

Anonymous Anonymous December 29, 2016 7:23 PM  

OF COURSE the Russians engage in propaganda and flattery and diplomacy... That doesn't put them in the wrong if they are reasonably honest and make good partners.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 29, 2016 7:46 PM  

Really think Trump has to make a statement here.

Maybe at least a cease and desist demand for the outgoing administration.

Hope you don't mind but I copied your comment over at BB.

BB?

Anonymous Eric the Red December 29, 2016 8:48 PM  

The Sudan would make a nice spot for relocation of the UN. It will fit their current mohammedan predilections, advertize to the global masses where their true sympathies lie, provide UN delegates with the diversity of a mohammedan 3rd-world shithole, and maybe even boost the local economy.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration should disavow any and all UN agendas that the US may or may not have been signatory to, refuse to pay any more dues, and demand billions of dollars of unpaid parking tickets and fines that UN delegates have racked up over the decades.

Anonymous CoolHand December 29, 2016 9:07 PM  

I find it highly ironic that Russians may have played a significant part in saving the United States from the collectivists.

That's some truly closing the circle style shit right there.

The West helps to break the back of Communism and free the Russians from their elite-built prison, and now as if in repayment, the Russians are helping to break the back of the new collectivist empire here in the West.

Happily, it seems that they've managed to effect this help BEFORE we got to the "killing millions of our own citizens" portion of the program. Thanks again for that.

For this reason alone we ought to be on at least cordial terms with the Russians, if not outright friendly.

Imagine the size of the egg rolls that the Chinese would be laying in their pants if the US and Russia were to become allies and trading partners?

A little bit of economic development would go a long way to helping out the average Russian's standard of living, and a little dabble in Russian cynicism/realism would do our leaders and people some good as well.

Just keep the Borscht on your side of the ocean.

Blogger Harsh December 29, 2016 9:11 PM  

Pennywise wrote:There wasn't going to be a war if Shillery was elected. Talk about fake news stories.

Putin has clearly demonstrated that he is about himself under the guise of making Russia great over the past three decades.

Trump hasn't drained the swamp with his elitist cabinet.

Welcome to the 21st century. Enjoy the decline. If nuclear war happens, or the U.S. economy tanks, then the blood bath between the Alt-Right vs. the elites/globalocrats will begin in earnest.


You don't seem to understand who the players are.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 29, 2016 10:01 PM  

Harsh wrote:You don't seem to understand who the players are.
Nor how long Trump has been president.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 30, 2016 2:14 AM  

BBGKB wrote:I recommend either along the Southern Border wall or in North Alaska, for the UN and any career FEDs that can't be fired.

Point Barrow, Alaska would be good for the UN, I agree. Doesn't the US still administer military facilities in Greenland? With those, they could also record all the "global warming" going on too.

Blogger Ken Prescott December 30, 2016 8:56 AM  

The only way Putin influenced this election was by living rent-free in Hillary's head with Pepe as his roomie.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 30, 2016 3:21 PM  

@10 Some Dude
But I guess he knows, war against America, is not war against Americans per se. That is his insight.
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Yesterday I saw a clip of Alex Jones being interviewed on some Russian tv show. The commentator there mentioned that after watching AJ for some time, they came to the realization that Americans are not the government, and that we all together share a lot of enemies, such as the globalists. They seem to realize the American government is working against its own citizens.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 30, 2016 3:23 PM  

@13 Cail Corishev
In the 1980s, many liberals, including the media, were convinced that Reagan would have gotten us into a nuclear war if not for the peace-loving peacefulness of the great peacemaker Gorbachev. The commie even got a Nobel Peace Prize for preventing Reagan from starting WWIII, didn't he?
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I've read a book in the past, I believe it was called Victory, and it detailed how Baker and others were dropping a lot of leaks to the Russians how Reagan was a crazy cowboy just waiting to hit that red button.

Then they sat back in amazement that our own American press was reporting those leaks as if they were facts.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 30, 2016 3:30 PM  

@28 Teri
If there is a country that we should be concerned about, it is China.
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DING DING DING
Besides the globalists, China is definitely going to be trouble in the future

Blogger Were-Puppy December 30, 2016 3:36 PM  

@44 JWM in SD
This is a nice intellectual exercise but Obama just expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed two compounds. No Bueno folks...
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Isn't it suppose to be extremely difficult to expel foreigners from the country? 72 hours, looks like we have a precedent for when Trump takes office.

All illegals have 72 hours to vacate

Blogger Were-Puppy December 30, 2016 3:38 PM  

@63 Eric the Red
The Sudan would make a nice spot for relocation of the UN.
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Put them in Liberia with a scenic view of shit beach

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