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Thursday, December 01, 2016

Incoming: Round Two

The Left is beginning to hyperventilate about the possibility of another American civil war:
Since 1972, the General Social Survey has collected data on how many Americans think "most people can be trusted." A guy named Josh Morgan graphed it, and while the south has always taken a more "we don't like your kind 'round here" position, most of America started the 70s in a pretty good place:

Now fast-forward to 2012:

"Trust" isn't just an intangible concept when we're talking about the potential for civil warfare. Sinisa Malesevic is a professor who studies the sociology of civil wars and a survivor of the Yugoslavian civil war. He's someone Marvel really should've reached out to for script advice, and he noted the breakdown of trust was one of the first traumatizing steps to war, "... in a very short period of time, there is a complete sense of fear, you do not know who is who, who is supporting which side ... that fear spreads."

Sinisa also pointed out that most civil wars start after a loss of trust in the government, particularly law enforcement: "One of the defining features of any state is a legitimate monopoly on the use of violence." In other words, if we trust the police to handle bad guys better than armed groups of vigilantes, we'll probably trust the government more than armed groups of insurgents.

"And if police are not seen as doing their job ... I think that certainly has an impact."
Now, what could possibly have changed since 1972? What could possibly have reduced the sense of community, and trust, and unity to the point that the average percentage of people who believe "most people can be trusted" has fallen from 46.2 percent to 32.4 percent.

Could it, perhaps, be the alteration of the country's population demographic by the largest invasion in human history?

It might make Cracked feel better to know that their reasons for a possible civil war are largely irrelevant. It probably won't make them feel better to be informed that there are much better reasons for a civil war to be almost inevitable at this point.

As I noted previously, Peter Turchin and his team have calcuated that the Population Stress Index is already at 1856 levels. While there is no definite trigger point, the USA is already well within the range that civil wars happen. And since the USA is not even a reasonable approximation of a genuine nation anymore, Round Two promises to be considerably less civil than its predecessor.

Donald Trump and the Alt-Right are very likely the last hope for avoiding the balkanization and break-up of the USA. Regardless of what you think of either, you would be wise to support both if you wish there to be domestic peace on the North American continent.

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Blogger Thucydides December 01, 2016 8:30 AM  

The Progressive dream of destroying a high trust society and transferring the role of neighbourhoods and civil society to the State is almost at its culminating point.

Pity the Progs never seem to have looked closely at the *actua*l map and realized all their armies of Brownshirts, the screaming garbage babies, "Occupy". BLM and all the various people they have been inciting for decades to erupt in a race and class war are all packed in Blue Counties and Cities with them....Once there are no longer crumbs to throw off the table, where are these people going to go for their "freestuffz"?

The looks on the Prog's faces as their gated communities are overrun by hordes of savages would be wonderful to see in that brief moment when they can no longer deny reality before being torn limb from limb by the very people they incited....

Anonymous Thales December 01, 2016 8:36 AM  

Most of the talk I see about Civil War seems to come from (((jews))) saying, "Let's you and him fight!" Such bad-faith cliche's get my oven-sense tingling. Regardless, white liberals are pacifists, and blacks are notoriously spooked by bed sheets -- if those were my soldiers, an armed conflict would be the last thing on my mind.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 01, 2016 8:40 AM  

Zerohedge recently posted an article on this topic. This article linked the article by Cracked.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-30/real-reasons-why-another-american-civil-war-possible

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 01, 2016 8:42 AM  

Today's virtue signaling is tomorrow's targeting vector.

Thomas Chittum's "Civil War II" covers the YugoAmerica angle well enough.

Blogger Earl December 01, 2016 8:42 AM  

An alternative to civil war in America exists. It looks like South Africa. Or Brazil.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 01, 2016 8:45 AM  

As a non American I want America at peace internally because I know that starting a war is a favorite means of unifying an otherwise fractured nation ....

Blogger Wanderer December 01, 2016 8:48 AM  

A major difference between now and 1856 is technology and entertainment to pacify the retarded goyim. The average American man is a whole lot more softer, fatter, effeminate, emotionally-stunted, and childlike than the average American man was from 30 years ago let alone 160 years ago. Things would have to get 1789 France levels of bad before the goyim finally decide to put down the weed, porn and playstation.

Blogger Earl December 01, 2016 8:51 AM  

Thucy, I'm close to a lot of rich white people in the East Bay Area California. And I've spent time in Oregon. Their perfect rich little Norcal towns, like Lafayette or Danville are building new low income housing in response to recent rulings from the SC allowing agitators to sue cites with no diversity in housing.

Sometimes you laugh at the look on their faces when they get mugged by reality- but they eventually, quietly, "inexplicably" move, and you don't see them anymore, but if you do they have not changed. Not even if they moved to Oregon or Colorado. They bring their delusions with them.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 01, 2016 8:54 AM  

@7. And yet, nothing I see tells me that things are going to turn around before that point.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 01, 2016 8:57 AM  

"Could it, perhaps, be the alteration of the country's population demographic by the largest invasion in human history?"

Vox, I'm not so sure. I think the agitation of the Black community by the professional race profiteers may be a bigger problem. I'd bet money that if you broke the numbers down, the Black community has the absolute lowest level of trust of any significant group.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 01, 2016 8:59 AM  

Oh joy, death threats against the electors.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/fbi-urged-to-probe-death-threats-on-trump-electors/

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 01, 2016 9:04 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:"Could it, perhaps, be the alteration of the country's population demographic by the largest invasion in human history?"

Vox, I'm not so sure. I think the agitation of the Black community by the professional race profiteers may be a bigger problem. I'd bet money that if you broke the numbers down, the Black community has the absolute lowest level of trust of any significant group.


It's a factor, but immigration is having big impacts there.

1.) Somali's have taken on the the traditional "African American" cultural attitude of being oppressed by the white man. Doubly so in their minds because they are black and Muslim.

2.) It's a lot easier to agitate blacks when Mexican's are taking away both their jobs and their "hoods".

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 01, 2016 9:05 AM  

Just to think that fat clown in Ohio agitates the anti-white hysteria in the Left's pet groups against his very neighbors. Now how is that going to settle with those people once it is no longer an abstract issue clouded by all the jibber jabber of "isms" and "ists" and "phobias?"

The Left will crumble because the Left has the collective mind of a hysterical woman and woman fear one thing, responsibility. So once responsibility is assigned to the Left it will crumble.

Blogger Ceasar December 01, 2016 9:06 AM  

" In other words, if we trust the police to handle bad guys better than armed groups of vigilantes, we'll probably trust the government more than armed groups of insurgents."

Gee, and who has been hammering the police for the last eight years? I don't think it is paranoid to think this was done to increase balkanization, increase violence to help support the increase in federal law enforcement control in local and state issues/conflicts.

Now however, they realize that when things start to get scary, they will not be the ones who will win or gain advantage. Expect a full out assault on Trump as the cause of all this divisiveness.

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 01, 2016 9:06 AM  

To add to 2. The smarter ones also realize that not only their jobs and their hoods but also realize their slice of the gimbsmedats is smaller because it is being spread to illegals as well.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 01, 2016 9:14 AM  

Coming soon to nearly ever country in the west that is currently undergoing mass colonisation by third world tribes.

Blogger SteelPalm December 01, 2016 9:21 AM  

That's always my pitch to the leftists;

"You want to avoid another civil war? Me too! One thing we can agree upon; millions of people dead (and it might be you and me) in a horrifying, bloody massacre isn't ideal. Ergo, to avoid that, vote for Trump and support nationalism. It's the only chance of averting such a disaster."

Also, for those who aren't aware, Cracked is a fully SJW Converged website.

Jason Pargin, their founder and executive editor, who goes by the pseudonym "David Wong", is a fucking nutcase, as can be seen here;

http://imgur.com/a/vCsaj#0

Blogger August December 01, 2016 9:21 AM  

Boot camp for SJWs wouldn't work. They'd need steroids and training just to get strong enough to handle boot camp. The extra testosterone would knock the narrative right out of them.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt December 01, 2016 9:22 AM  

It's coming from all directions. Trust the police? Well, yes I do, because I'm white and live in a predominately white area, and never have trouble with the police. When I see them, it's in a benign setting. But then I read about midnight SWAT teams breaking down people's doors for overdue library books, and I think no, I don't really trust the police if that's what they do. It's just that that hasn't happened anywhere near enough to impact me. But I can tell a song that's half-sung, and I recognize that there's danger out there, even if it's at a distance right now.

What breaks down trust more in my case has nothing to do with race: it's seeing top leftist apparatchiks (Hillary Clinton is just the most famous) getting away with illegal crap that would get anyone else put in jail. It's a government that has selected its friends for special treatment, and I'm not one of those friends. Sure, we can trace the evidence trail backwards, and maybe immigration figured into the mix at some point. But was it the government changing because it had deliberately changed the populace, or was the Left always going to go this route, and debasing the population currency just gave them a faster, more secure path to power?

Anonymous johnc December 01, 2016 9:27 AM  

Boot camp for SJWs wouldn't work. They'd need steroids and training just to get strong enough to handle boot camp. The extra testosterone would knock the narrative right out of them.

I honestly do wonder if there is a physiological problem somewhere here. People talk about this errant mentality like it's a learned disease, but maybe it really is physiological in nature and therefore should be treated as such.

Anonymous EH December 01, 2016 9:28 AM  

The only thing about Turchin's Political Stress Index I've been able to find is in the middle of his recent book, nobody has done a story online that more than mentions it in passing. It sounds interesting, but I'd like to know how it was calculated and to see its graph.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir December 01, 2016 9:31 AM  

"Donald Trump and the Alt-Right are very likely the last hope for avoiding the balkanization and break-up of the USA."
But is there another way to rid ourselves of the brown hordes?

Blogger VD December 01, 2016 9:34 AM  

Vox, I'm not so sure. I think the agitation of the Black community by the professional race profiteers may be a bigger problem.

Stop cucking. The lengths to which you desperate conservatives will go to preserve your failed immigration ideology and deny the obvious is astonishing. The Black community was around in 1972 and was behaving worse than it is now. Nothing we've seen approaches the Detroit riots of 1943 and 1967 and the Watts Riots of 1965.

In case anyone didn't follow that, 1943, 1965, and 1967 all precede 1972, and events that took place in those years cannot possibly be blamed for a post-1972 decline in communal trust.

Blogger Lee Katt December 01, 2016 9:35 AM  

@2 Thales: "Most of the talk I see about Civil War seems to come from (((jews))) saying, "Let's you and him fight!" Such bad-faith cliche's get my oven-sense tingling. "

????

What does that mean?

Blogger ZhukovG December 01, 2016 9:35 AM  

I noted that when referring to rural police vs rural militia they seemed to think that an adversarial relationship would exist between the two.

In my experience rural police are usually sympathetic if not actual members of the rural militia.

Anonymous johnc December 01, 2016 9:38 AM  

Just a few completely random anecdotes from the past couple of months.

- I live in a condo neighborhood and the association replaces the roofs of buildings at the rate of about three buildings per year. Ten years ago when I first moved in, those roofers were all Americans. This year when I saw them at work, they were all foreigners. All of them but the foreman maybe. They were smart enough to put on a harness and attach the rope to the chimney, but not smart enough to attach their harnesses to the ropes.

- I drive by a small piece of property on the way to work that used to be an empty lot. It's being turned into a relatively small commercial building. Practically all the construction workers on site are foreigners. And a couple of them look like they're maybe junior high age. There are a couple of American chiefs running the show; other than that, all foreigners. All the earth moving equipment is Komatsu.

- My cousin works for a (large) company and he says that he and another guy are the only white guys in his department. Everyone else is Indian on work visas. There's a whole floor of Indians. His job is to translate their documentation into real English.

- My brother works for a company that is expanding rapidly. They're bringing on a ton of Indians for tech roles. A lot. And when the Indians begin to take on management roles they immediately bring in more Indians. He's already updating his resume (again).

Does any American have a job anymore? People talk about free trade and outsourcing and jobs going overseas, but hell... they just import all the labor they want now.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 01, 2016 9:41 AM  

I've never put a whole lot of credence in a second Civil War. The division lines are far more blurred than in 1860, following county, not state, lines.

What I think is much more probable is serious civil disturbance...quite probably over the "sanctuary cities" business. That will be a gut check for Trump. My own inclination would be to pick a city, declare it to be in rebellion, then suppress the rebellion with military force. No mass bombings, but cut off the food, water, and power...then wait two weeks.

Blogger Student in Blue December 01, 2016 9:44 AM  

@24. Lee Katt
????

What does that mean?


What about it didn't make sense? He's saying he sees most of the instigation and fear-mongering about a civil war comes from a small set of (((people))), who would just happen to sit out the fight when it happens as it'd be between people who aren't them.

Blogger Mountain Man December 01, 2016 9:45 AM  

I am going on record as having voted for Trump and as a full supporter of the alt-right. Although there may be elements of the alt - right I disagree with, I will never publicly excoriate them. Why.. because an enemy of my enemy ( the left) is my friend. Both Trump and the alt-right are the last peaceful hope for change for my country.

Blogger Johnny December 01, 2016 9:46 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:I noted that when referring to rural police vs rural militia they seemed to think that an adversarial relationship would exist between the two.

In my experience rural police are usually sympathetic if not actual members of the rural militia.


The rural militia right now are outliers, nut cases. Otherwise the non 'hill billy' rural community, what is left of it, tends to support law enforcement.

Anonymous BGKB December 01, 2016 9:48 AM  

I know both my grandfathers thought you should only trust people as far as you can throw them.

they have been inciting for decades to erupt in a race and class war are all packed in Blue Counties and Cities with them....

That's why they have been shitting refuseegees , like Somali moslems that Doctors Without Borders fled from, on white areas since 2001. Check out Refugee Resettlement Watch.

An alternative to civil war in America exists. It looks like South Africa. Or Brazil.

South Africa would be worse than civil war, so much so that you might have the talented tenth of blacks fighting to prevent it.

I'd bet money that if you broke the numbers down, the Black community has the absolute lowest level of trust of any significant group.

That's true in all nations, even black ones.

But is there another way to rid ourselves of the brown hordes?

Shut off food stamps & they will go to Candida

He's saying he sees most of the instigation and fear-mongering about a civil war comes from a small set of (((people))), who would just happen to sit out the fight when it happens as it'd be between people who aren't them.

You forgot that (((they))) profit from it. Soros didn't give $33million to fund BLM riots for charity.

Anonymous BGKB December 01, 2016 9:51 AM  

Shut off food stamps & they will go to Candida

I meant to put Canada but considering that most mudsharks are fat & slovenly going to a yeast infection might be an option for them.

Anonymous JustAnotherPairOfEyes December 01, 2016 9:53 AM  

The division in the US is between urban and rural regions. Okay, teach me some history. Point to me an example of a country which was split (or balkanized) where the division was rural vs urban *AND* where the country shared a single language.

It might be useful to also include a requirement that the resulting pieces be adjacent rather than separated by salt water. For example, the US was somewhat more rural than England in 1776 but the only reason the revolution succeeded was a lot of salt water separation.

Blogger praetorian December 01, 2016 9:54 AM  

This Robert Evans chap talks like a fag.

Blogger Lee Katt December 01, 2016 10:00 AM  

@28 Student in Blue:

"What about it didn't make sense?"

The part where he says "gets my oven-sense tingling." That specific phrase. What is he saying? Is he saying it's time to return to putting Jews in ovens as payback for their alleged fomenting civic disorder? Because that's exactly what that sounds like.

Blogger Nate December 01, 2016 10:00 AM  

" He's saying he sees most of the instigation and fear-mongering about a civil war comes from a small set of (((people))), who would just happen to sit out the fight when it happens as it'd be between people who aren't them."

Vox isn't a jew.

And the facts are the facts.

Blogger Ken Prescott December 01, 2016 10:08 AM  

Nah. Go Full Drakaverse and go for the Barcelona Option. Use the survivors as carnival sideshow exhibits in the gibsmedat/dindu communities.

Blogger Johnny December 01, 2016 10:12 AM  

My take on things is that when people have never had anything bad happen in their life they tend to be accommodating. A real revolution or widespread violence is generally triggered by pain rather than logic. In more traditional societies a bad harvest along with hunger can by itself trigger a revolt. For us the event would be the government running out of the money needed to buy people off, or the currency going unstable. Lacking that the likely solution is the Latin American one, a country full of disagreeable classes that hardly get along in a circumstance that promotes a corrupt and ineffective government.

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 10:13 AM  

The USA is going full Robert Putnam.....Quelle surprise.....

Blogger Cail Corishev December 01, 2016 10:14 AM  

Some leftist wrote that maybe they should want a war, because there are more of them. Leaving aside the fact that that's a lie, they are also far less armed, even if they control the cops.

That map of voting by county should scare the crap out of any leftist thinking about war; it's a sea of red gun owners who like his kind less every day, surrounding tiny enclaves of people like him who are too crowded to get out of each others' way if the shooting starts.

Blogger VD December 01, 2016 10:14 AM  

Most of the talk I see about Civil War seems to come from (((jews))) saying, "Let's you and him fight!"

Yes, the South NEVER talks about rising again.

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 01, 2016 10:16 AM  

Earl wrote: It looks like South Africa.

Watched the most recent episode of the Top Gear replacement show on Amazon last night. They were on site in South Africa. Couldn't help but notice that they limited the show to one, 5 minute segment related to South Africa.

In that segment they sent James May to hang out with a club called "Tires 'n Smoke". The point of the club was doing donuts in a parking lot until their tires burst, then throwing the busted tires on a bonfire. Couldn't help but notice the difference between white/asian car culture vs black car culture. White/Asian clubs tend to work on their cars and race them in a competition. Black car culture appears to buy beaters and then just destroy tires with no competition.

The most insightful part of the episode is that this segment was portrayed as punishment for James May.

Blogger Student in Blue December 01, 2016 10:17 AM  

@Nate
Vox isn't a jew.

Thales said MOST of the talk about civil war, not all of it.

@Lee Katt
What is he saying? Is he saying it's time to return to putting Jews in ovens as payback for their alleged fomenting civic disorder? Because that's exactly what that sounds like.

Maybe. Or maybe he's saying it's disgruntling him. I'm not Thales and he's a big boy so he can explain himself.

It's kind of annoying that your first reaction is to assume it's literal and not metaphorical.

Blogger Blunt Force December 01, 2016 10:22 AM  

And there I was,one minute a mild mannered medical student emptying bedpans and before I knew it, awoke as if from a deep sleep to find myself amputating heads.

"I have no idea, it was like a form of collective madness that just overtook us all..."


Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

Charles Mackay

Anonymous Thales December 01, 2016 10:29 AM  

What about it didn't make sense? He's saying he sees most of the instigation and fear-mongering about a civil war comes from a small set of (((people))), who would just happen to sit out the fight when it happens as it'd be between people who aren't them.

Indeed. I guess no one recalls the hysteria and pearl-clutching after Dylann Roof when the coastal (((kvetching class))) was all but calling for burning Atlanta again. Of course, they had to settle for banning the Stars and Bars and moving and/or eradicating a few monuments Taliban-style that time, but just wait for the next excuse...

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen December 01, 2016 10:32 AM  

When it comes to national greatness, black lives matter.

Oftentimes, once a problem is clearly stated, the solution becomes obvious.

From the beginning, they were imported for their greater amenity to the institution of slavery. Their "emancipation" was merely the enslavement of the nation.

Shackles of coal are brittle.

Blogger Johnny December 01, 2016 10:37 AM  

@33. JustAnotherPairOfEyes December 01, 2016 9:53 AM
The division in the US is between urban and rural regions. Okay, teach me some history. Point to me an example of a country which was split (or balkanized) where the division was rural vs urban *AND* where the country shared a single language.

In yea olden days the rural community was so isolated that most of the time rural people played no role at all. In Latin America I believe there is some urban/rural divide but it is complicated by a race element. The more rural or small town you go the browner the skin. Plus they now have the big barrios. Poor rural people becoming poor urban people.

And in current America, overlooking urban sprawl, there is almost no rural community any more. If there is a division remaining, it would be between the large urban areas, the social elite generally, and the rest of society.

As for the United States during the revolution, the great abundance of land made the rural population more wealthy and much harder to control. In Britain it was still close to the old feudal arrangement, along with factory labor. Plus with newspapers and people who could read, the rural and small town population in the Americas often knew what was going on. No doubt support from the well armed rural population helped a lot, and was probably critical to success. Recall it was Lexington and Concord that started events, not Boston.

The book Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010 makes a good case that we have a class divide. A lot of the upper class is concentrated in the big urban areas and in numerous well to do and identifiable medium sized cities. Mostly absent from the small town or rural areas.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 01, 2016 10:40 AM  

I think it entirely reasonable that the best thing Donald Trump could do for the United States may be to oversee the peaceful secession of California.

Blogger Mike X December 01, 2016 10:42 AM  

A friendly reminder that Yugoslavian "civil war" wasn't a civil war. It was a case of one nation invading others using the Yugoslavian army artillery. Yugoslavia was a political alliance, not a nation-state. I think it would rather comical/retarded if some hypothetical military conflict between a couple of EU members in the future would be considered/called "a civil war".

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner December 01, 2016 10:43 AM  

related http://tribunist.com/news/americans-bought-enough-guns-on-black-friday-to-arm-the-marine-corps/?utm_source=AFY

recalls the hysteria and pearl-clutching after Dylann Roof when the coastal (((kvetching class))) was all but calling for burning Atlanta again.

Call him the race reversed Omar Thornton

putting Jews in ovens as payback for their alleged fomenting civic disorder? Because that's exactly what that sounds like.

This is actually a site with diversity. A gay conservative can have a logical conversation with a Southern Glock owner, a rabbi, an Indian and a Nazi. You would be surprised who can get along well.
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Nazis_and_gays_hate_feminists.png

Black car culture appears to buy beaters and then just destroy tires with no competition.

At least they stopped putting burning tires around peoples necks.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer December 01, 2016 10:43 AM  

Take interstates 40 and 70, and you own almost all of them.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 01, 2016 10:46 AM  

What could possibly have reduced the sense of community, and trust, and unity to the point that the average percentage of people who believe "most people can be trusted" has fallen from 46.2 percent to 32.4 percent.

So what this tells us is that half of the whites in 1972 and now said they believe this.

Anonymous JustAnotherPairOfEyes December 01, 2016 10:52 AM  

@40 Cail Corishev: "That map of voting by county should scare the crap out of any leftist thinking about war; it's a sea of red gun owners who like his kind less every day, surrounding tiny enclaves of people like him who are too crowded to get out of each others' way if the shooting starts."

Leftists can't follow your reasoning because they're running on emotions. They have no intention of getting into any violence themselves, at least not at a level beyond matches, dildos and the odd stick. Their plan is to have the fighting done by the State. (We really should bring back the draft. In addition to converting rabbit children to wolf adults, it also made it clear that in the event of a real war, everyone is going to be playing.)

In addition to failing to clue in that rural US areas have more guns per capita than Iraqi civilians, they also believe that the police and military are filled with people who will obey leftist orders to put down a rightist rebellion. Of course the truth is that the ranks are the same working class whites who voted for Trump and the their officers are even further right wing. And in every civil war, the military units always either defect to the side they were raised from or melt away into the civilian population. Both these things happened in the US Civil War and on both sides. It's a lot easier to get soldiers (conscripts) to fight a stupid war if the stupid war is thousands of miles across water and it's inconvenient to walk home.

A civil war in the US would be like having a boxing match with only one participant.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 01, 2016 10:59 AM  

Off topic: Turning Point USA has a variation of an SJW list called Professor Watch List

http://www.professorwatchlist.org/

Blogger Zundfolge December 01, 2016 11:01 AM  

Back in 2002, Walter E Williams wrote a column titled "Why we're a divided nation" and the basic thesis was that as government gets bigger, more of our decisions are made in the sphere of politics and politics is a zero sum game, so you create winners and losers instead of the win-win scenarios of voluntary interactions in a free market system.

I agree that the demographic changes brought on by the Hart-Celler Act in '65 are a big part of the problem, but also just as big (and probably partially a consequence of the act)is big government.

This will be one of the benefits of a civil war. Enough government infrastructure destroyed and after the war there's no reason to build it back.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 01, 2016 11:01 AM  

Slight correction: whites are probably also becoming less trusting, though only slightly.

Non-hispanic whites were 83% of the country in 1970 (169,622,593/203,210,158), and 62% in 2015* (196,817,552/308,745,538).

46.2%/83% = 56%
32.4%/62% = 52%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00

This proportion has officially declined 1% in six years, which makes me suspicious that it's being fudged.

Anonymous Just another commenter December 01, 2016 11:03 AM  

@12 - What's funny is that the same people that decry racism and lack of jobs for (slave-descendant) American blacks in the inner cities are the SAME people demanding that we let in even more low-skill black and brown immigrants to compete with them. It's like they totally don't get cause and effect.

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 11:03 AM  

That was in 2012. Wonder what it looks like in 2016?

Blogger Zundfolge December 01, 2016 11:04 AM  

Correction: it was 2004
http://walterewilliams.com/why-we're-a-divided-nation/

(wish there was an edit function on comments)

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 01, 2016 11:05 AM  

Anecdotally, I use trust of others as a benchmark for psychopathy. The less trusting a person is, the more psychopathic in general. You find it more at the economic top and bottom due to selection bias.

Blogger kennymac December 01, 2016 11:08 AM  

This is who we'd be fighting. I'm not too worried.
https://masondixontactical.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/the-special-snowflake-second-class-award-goes-to/

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 11:10 AM  

'Bowling Alone' is probably the most important social science work published since WW2. It's bottom line is simple--diversity kills trust....So Big government is only important insofar as it creates more diversity, which it has been doing since the 1950s. Then the diverse vote for Big government...It's starting to look like a process with positive feedback...

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 11:16 AM  

@60 Prof. Bruce Charlton has pointed out (and written a book) that a certain degree of psychopathy is necessary to get anything done. Quite true, as is the fact that some paranoia is necessary for survival. So we are talking about degrees here....

Blogger Johnny December 01, 2016 11:16 AM  

Just another commenter wrote:@12 - What's funny is that the same people that decry racism and lack of jobs for (slave-descendant) American blacks in the inner cities are the SAME people demanding that we let in even more low-skill black and brown immigrants to compete with them. It's like they totally don't get cause and effect.

Actually more like they totally don't care.

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 11:19 AM  

@61 Yes, Snowflake Land would rely on recruiting deplorables to fight other deplorables. Doesn't sound likely to succeed....

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes December 01, 2016 11:20 AM  

The knuckleheads that pen articles like the one in Cracked always paint the discontented whites as either gap tooth rednecks, or paranoid neo-nazis, or zombie apocalypse preppers. What they fail to see in their convoluted attempts to explain the obvious, is, well, the obvious:

When societies fall into war there is always a series of tipping events that turn normal, everday people into soldiers. The left loves to shriek at the militias and various organized groups, but that's not who they should be worrying about, when it's their friendly, normal neighbors that are simmering with anger. Once that tipping point hits, the left is going to be shocked that so many everyday Americans are willing to take up the fight. And doubly shocked that they will be considered enemies on both sides.

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 11:24 AM  

Black guy hilariously shows why Blacks would lose race war....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnJZ2haLPCw

Anonymous Thorn December 01, 2016 11:24 AM  

Silly stuff. Most civil wars happen within ethnically homogonous countries and by contrast multi-ethnic empires often remain stable for centuries. Even in the US the main fault lines are within the dominant white ethnic group, with ethnic minorities just being ringers.

Europe was wracked with civil wars at its most homogonous, as was Japan.

There are many good reasons to oppose multi-ethnic societies but a-historical ramblings about the unique tendency towards civil war when history shows, if anything, the reverse, are not one of them, Vox.

You focus on multi-ethnicity, but the truly remarkable thing about America is that it is hostile to ANY social glue binding citizens together whatsoever. The unique thing about multi-culturalism is that NO common ties of culture or shared values or lifestyles are to be inculcated whatsoever. In the resulting chaos, you say of course it is all about ethnicity when history shows dozens of successful examples of multi-ethnic societies.

Whether modern America would have been one of them we will never know, because the importation of large numbers of ethnic minorities went hand in hand with the abandonment of the very idea of a culturally cohesive society and indeed the deliberate destruction of anything that might serve as social glue.

Blogger Open Carry December 01, 2016 11:24 AM  

"... you would be wise to support both if you wish there to be domestic peace on the North American continent."

Trump is easy to support - what's not to like in a President who actually wants to put America first. His bursting the bubble of political correctness is also very important.

Supporting alt-right is more confusing because there is no clear program posted somewhere that one can read and decide. This blog has mentioned peacefully repatriating post-1965 immigrants and their children. If that's actually a definite part of the alt-right program, there are several problems with it. First, it is extremely unlikely that the repatriation of tens of millions of people, many of whom won't actually have a place that would take them, can be accomplished peacefully. Second, the body politic in the US is very unlikely to contemplate anything of the sort unless and until the civil war is already here, so in some sense the whole idea is moot for the time being regardless of whether one considers it desirable.

On the other hand, shutting down illegal immigration and cutting back the legal one by somewhere between 90 to 100 percent is doable and worth pursuing. This would also make it much easier to create the needed level of social pressure for the immigrants already here to assimilate.

Anonymous Dick Hertz December 01, 2016 11:36 AM  

Let me see if I've got this right.

Leftists worked for generations, using Cultural Bolshevism to destroy social capital. Well, this is what that looks like. Now they're whining and crying because it worked and they're getting exactly what they wanted.

It's enough to cause hollow laughter in Hell.

Blogger James Dixon December 01, 2016 11:39 AM  

> I noted that when referring to rural police vs rural militia they seemed to think that an adversarial relationship would exist between the two.

You noticed that too, huh? Yeah, they have a very poor understanding of rural communities.

> I've never put a whole lot of credence in a second Civil War. The division lines are far more blurred than in 1860, following county, not state, lines.

Which merely ensures the conflict will be even more bloody. I really must point out that it followed county lines in some places in round 1 too.

> A civil war in the US would be like having a boxing match with only one participant.

Both sides felt that way last time too. We wound up with something like 600K dead (almost 2% of the population). And that's without nukes. Do you really think we'd have round two without one or more major cities getting nuked?

But Vox is right, Trump is the only hope of a peaceful de-escalaltion. But even if he succeeds in "making America great again", there's still the matter of our spending and debt to deal with. Even if we avoid civil war, the country only has at most 20-30 years before the debt brings down the federal government. I'd love to see Trump scale back federal spending by the 50% required to balance the budget and start paying off the debt, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 11:39 AM  

O/T As predicted, the Jill Stein scam coming to an abrupt halt...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/more-bad-news-jill-stein-pennsylvania-judge-blocks-recount-petitions

Blogger Wanda Sherratt December 01, 2016 11:46 AM  

"The knuckleheads that pen articles like the one in Cracked always paint the discontented whites as either gap tooth rednecks, or paranoid neo-nazis, or zombie apocalypse preppers."

How quickly the Left went from reporting less support for Hillary from "non-college educated whites" before the election to blaming "uneducated whites" for her loss.

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 11:46 AM  

@71 Trump has an enormous task in front of him. At present rates of increase, Medicare, Medicaid and various other health care goodies will eat the whole budget within a few years.The medical monopolies, medical coverage for immigrants and ridiculous pharmaceutical prices have to be dealt with decisively, against great resistance from the lobbies. It will be a miracle if he can fix this stuff, but no one else would even try.

Blogger Student in Blue December 01, 2016 12:02 PM  

@69. Open Carry
Supporting alt-right is more confusing because there is no clear program posted somewhere that one can read and decide.

Even if you don't have a "do XYZ", just propagating the truth about how equality is an impossible quest and other related truths is sufficient.

Promulgation of an idea is what's going on here, since Alt-Right is basically an idea, not a manifesto.

This also means you have to take some personal responsibility and figure out for yourself A) what you believe in and how it takes shape in the world, and B) how you can contribute to that.

Blogger VD December 01, 2016 12:20 PM  

A friendly reminder that Yugoslavian "civil war" wasn't a civil war. It was a case of one nation invading others using the Yugoslavian army artillery. Yugoslavia was a political alliance, not a nation-state.

The USA is no longer a nation-state either. Not if you can now be born American to Gambian parents in Gambia!

Blogger James Dixon December 01, 2016 12:20 PM  

> Then the diverse vote for Big government...It's starting to look like a process with positive feedback...

And you know what happens when you have a process with positive feedback? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw

> First, it is extremely unlikely that the repatriation of tens of millions of people, many of whom won't actually have a place that would take them, can be accomplished peacefully

Operation Wetback demonstrates that your hypothesis is unfounded: https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Wetback

> Second, the body politic in the US is very unlikely to contemplate anything of the sort...

Elections have consequences. Trump won.

Anonymous Jack Amok December 01, 2016 12:25 PM  

I agree that the demographic changes brought on by the Hart-Celler Act in '65 are a big part of the problem, but also just as big (and probably partially a consequence of the act)is big government.

Partially to blame? Well, sure, the other part of the blame for big government is letting women vote. But importing low-trust residents... people might be confused about just what exactly a "low-trust" individual is. It's not someone who just doesn't trust others - it's someone who isn't very trustworthy himself. Ripping off other people is okay in his world. And voting for a big government to take other people's stuff and giving it to you? Low-trust behavior right there.



Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2016 12:42 PM  

@77 Yes, that was my point. Positive feedback leads to things like Snowball Earth...

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric December 01, 2016 12:46 PM  

Lee Katt wrote:@2 Thales: "Most of the talk I see about Civil War seems to come from (((jews))) saying, "Let's you and him fight!" Such bad-faith cliche's get my oven-sense tingling. "

????

What does that mean?

Exactly what it looks like it means. He's not being passive aggressive.

Blogger Robert Divinity December 01, 2016 12:49 PM  

The most interesting part of the Cracked article was how it never explicitly used the words "Muslim" or "Islam." The latter is implicit in "ISIS" but never spelled out. Also, BLM and the assorted left-wing groups are not referred to as "nuts" but the right-wing militias are.

The odds are 99 to 1 the author is a white, effeminate leftist. The odds are 99 to 1 he will go running to the nuts once the fault lines start to be enforced...

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair December 01, 2016 1:06 PM  

I read the entire article. Let's pick some gems, shall we? Cracked's writers are oversimplifying fools.

"And we are seeing shit like this in our pre-election headlines: "Militia group calls on members to patrol polls on Election Day"

Even though it was debunked, what's better than using a false headline to give your story that oomph it needs from the get go?

Maybe trust in 2012 has gone downhill from the '70s because, oh, I don't know, Obama politicized everything!!! Also, the Internet and instant communication via wireless systems they were just starting to exploit in the '70s has brought a clearer view of what the government has done right and wrong.

"David Kilcullen is worried that the FBI is nearing a legitimacy crisis among American conservatives: 'That's why I think the politicization of the FBI via the Hillary emails ... is very dangerous. People now start to see the FBI as a political secret police ... there's always been a belief that this is the case but that hasn't been [widespread]."

Many of those conservatives actually might work in the FBI as SA, ops support, etc. Seeing her get off for what would get them imprisoned might piss them off, just a bit. Same goes for conservatives who are active and former military, federal contractors, deep state, etc.

"David Kilcullen was bullish on Deliverance country as the site for the start of our hypothetical Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo, '... Southern Appalachia."

Right, because facts and reality (such as BLM protestors backed by the Left and elements of the government) are completely irrelevant when everyone's favorite boogeyman (rural whites) are involved.

"Daryl Johnson, our former Homeland Security analyst, worried that many rural police departments would be unable to effectively suppress their militia because, '... a lot of these rural police departments are outmanned and outgunned by the militia ... you have a small department, in some areas there may be twice as many or three times as many militia members."

What is this mythical boogeyman right wing militia? Militias simply are citizens who aren't military. Then again, I doubt you ever took Constitutional law.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair December 01, 2016 1:06 PM  

"During our talk David Kilcullen brought up something called the boomerang effect, where '... colonial powers go overseas, and apply techniques to suppressing colonial foreign subjects which then again come to their homeland.' In other words, '... techniques pioneered in Iraq and Afghanistan ... being brought to the United States." He's talking about things like roadside bombs. David was particularly worried about a substance called Tannerite, which is totally legal to purchase and is basically Michael Bay boner fuel: "I am astounded that you can buy tannerite online ... what tannerite is, is ammonium nitrate plus powdered aluminum. World War 2 bombs were filled with stuff that is essentially the same thing."
Said techniques are being used against the populace like Stingrays (see our rebuilding of Iraq's cell phone network and allowing us instant real time eavesdropping on any call), what the NSA is guilty of, UAVs to monitor protests, Cessnas loitering over cities picking off cell signals (originated with DEA back in the '80s), Tannerite is extremely stable. It requires a sudden massive application of force (i.e. a bullet) to detonate.
"And a wide enough roadside bombing campaign could literally starve many American cities. " Using Tannerite, you'd need someone to pull the trigger or an automated system to do the job. What's the chance you can get enough people to do that?
"The United States military is forbidden from directly engaging in law enforcement within the boundaries of the United States. It's a rule called posse comitatus."
One of my last classes in grad school was on homeland security law. Posse comitaus does not allow the military to arrest persons. It says nothing about cordons, searches, detainment, etc. until civilian law enforcement arrives.
"But if mass starvation was on the table (er ... off the table? I think I just created a paradoxical metaphor), you can bet the military would get called out to help fight the insurgency."
If their own families are starving, how much of the military is going to show up? How many contractors that maintain the weapons systems, et. al. are going to show up to work?
"Our last Civil War involved two sides who came pre-packaged with a convenient ideological cheat-sheet (Union: less slavery, Confederacy, more slavery)."
Wrong, and I say this as a Yankee: it was states rights vs. forced union.
"If you look at the Black Lives Matter movement, there's actually some parallels to what's happening in that group and what's happening at the fringe of the survivalist movement...' David pointed out that, if Trump were elected, 'it's possible' that left-wing groups might ignite the violence..."

Really? Well, we are about to find out now, aren't we?

Blogger rumpole5 December 01, 2016 1:07 PM  

The US civil war was the culmination of deep seated differences in the way that two separate geographic areas of the United States ordered their lives. I don't see similar dynamics in the instant situation. As the election maps demonstrate, the territory of the United States is dominated by a majority of ARMED, largely self sufficient, conseratives in most areas. The urban areas of the United States that are majority left are completely dependent on the conservative areas. Moreover, those urban areas are burdened by large dependent, socially dysfunctional, low skill and low IQ populations. I don't understand how these left wing urban areas could mount an organized opposition to the conservative areas. If they venture out of their urban enclaves to cause problems they will stand out like sore thumbs and would be shot down. A successful guerrilla action depends on a "sea" for the "fish" to swim in. These urban creatures do not swim in our sea. Seems to me that any civil war will be rather one sided and short lived.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair December 01, 2016 1:08 PM  

"We now have a generation, maybe up to two million people, who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan', David Kilcullen pointed out. Most of those folks are cooks or mechanics, or in the Coast Guard, and don't know much more about fighting a war than the average Call Of Dutyplayer. But then there are Special Forces guys like these:...who look like they could overthrow a small island republic on their lunch break. What happens if one of those dudes winds up caring an awful lot about, say, White Nationalism?"

1) Logistics 2) The people you really should be concerned about our the black and Hispanic gangbangers who took their skills and are currently employing them. Google is your friend here, Robert.

"Col. Couvillon, a retired Marine, pointed out that this basic pattern is already in use by criminal organizations in the United States, 'Inner-city gangs have sent people into join the military, go get combat experience, go get combat training, go get logistical training, and then they go back home and incorporate those methods in their gangs...' In 2011, the FBI noted that at least 53 different gangs had placed members in every branch of the U.S. military:"

Oh wait, you just proved said point.

"We've already seen how easy social media makes it to demonize women writing fucking video games, let alone a volatile issue like politics."

#crymeariver

"Things would have to get 1789 France levels of bad before the goyim finally decide to put down the weed, porn and playstation."

@7 How about rolling brownouts? That'd knock at least one (possibly two) of those items off for a while.

"Point to me an example of a country which was split (or balkanized) where the division was rural vs urban *AND* where the country shared a single language."

@33 Granted, it happened before I was born but Nicaragua in '79. The rural areas were (and still are) Sandinista or Sandinista sympathetic. The urban areas are right wing.

"And in current America, overlooking urban sprawl, there is almost no rural community any more. If there is a division remaining, it would be between the large urban areas, the social elite generally, and the rest of society."

@47 True. I was in a rural part of the country last week. Straight Outta Compton even got to there.

"This is who we'd be fighting. I'm not too worried."

@61 He writes, "I pledge to my friends who are Muslim, refugees, immigrants, marginalized, or those who are otherwise genuinely scared by the rhetoric coming from our highest office: I will defend you. #libertyordeath" Well, Trent, I'd be surprised if you can defend them before they turn on you...and kill you.

"Before you try and take your Modern Warfare 3 fantasy into the bloody, scary reality, I’d suggest you consider taking up airsoft or paintball. It will give you the thrill you think you’re looking for, without the finality of someone ending your participation in the defense of some of the criminal elements you so admire. There is no “Participatory Award” in the real world Trent, and the fact that you believe Trump and his supporters are fascists, shows that you are not ready for that kind of a reality check."

LOL @ the paintball and finality of someone ending your participation. Heh. Paintball gets your attention, fast.

"Black guy hilariously shows why Blacks would lose race war....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnJZ2haLPCw"

@67 Seeing that segment of all the full auto weapons destroying the car had me laughing and grinning.

@82 I'll take blatantly obvious for $500, Alex!

Anonymous Sharrukin December 01, 2016 1:13 PM  

68. Thorn December 01, 2016 11:24 AM

"Silly stuff. Most civil wars happen within ethnically homogonous countries"

Biafran War
Rwandan Genocide
Bangladesh Liberation War
Darfur
The Congo (1960)
Conflict in Burma
Lebanon
Sri Lanka
Iraq

To name just a few.

the reason minorities don't tend to be one side of a civil war is because they ARE a minority. They tend to simply be massacred when the dominant ethnic group gets pissed off. Most of the time they are smart enough, or fearful enough not to try anything stupid. Insurgency is the usual choice of a weaker minority group.

Blogger Open Carry December 01, 2016 1:20 PM  

> Operation Wetback demonstrates that your hypothesis is unfounded

They were here illegally, they had a place to go, their numbers were smaller, and it was a different country.

> Elections have consequences. Trump won.

He didn't run on the platform of expelling US citizens and permanent residents. However, he better deliver on whatever he did promise on immigration. Hopefully, he will read the latest article by Ann Coulter reminding him of just that.

Blogger rumpole5 December 01, 2016 1:30 PM  

I do not see millions of casualties from a civil war here. The most I see happening is something akin to a 1871 Paris Commune situation in some of our wacked out urban areas:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune_(French_Revolution)

If that comes about here it will end up the same way. The army or national guard will put it down and arrest the miscreants.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 01, 2016 1:42 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:@60 Prof. Bruce Charlton has pointed out (and written a book) that a certain degree of psychopathy is necessary to get anything done. Quite true, as is the fact that some paranoia is necessary for survival. So we are talking about degrees here....

There's an optimum level of psychopathy for any social situation. Cognitive empathy minus emotional empathy is particularly adaptive in low-trust social environments.

Blogger Kyle Searle December 01, 2016 2:31 PM  

johnc wrote:Boot camp for SJWs wouldn't work. They'd need steroids and training just to get strong enough to handle boot camp. The extra testosterone would knock the narrative right out of them.

I honestly do wonder if there is a physiological problem somewhere here. People talk about this errant mentality like it's a learned disease, but maybe it really is physiological in nature and therefore should be treated as such.



Anti-depressants will do that to people. I suspect if we banned SSRIs the nation would turn itself around in twenty years.

Anonymous BGKB December 01, 2016 2:37 PM  

Their plan is to have the fighting done by the State. (We really should bring back the draft. In addition to converting rabbit children

Gays cant get out of the draft now. Fighting dykes on boots not high.

Actually more like they totally don't care. The ones that care are the ones that profit off it

extremely unlikely that the repatriation of tens of millions of people, many of whom won't actually have a place that would take them, can be accomplished peacefully

So it was a real bad idea for (((them))) to do it.

Leftists worked for generations, using Cultural Bolshevism to destroy social capital. Well, this is what that looks like.

Here is what feminists should celebrate, no one willing to help a white woman being raped on a sidewalk in broad daylight, but just call 911. http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/01/anferney_fontenet_15_rapes_wom.php


I do not see millions of casualties from a civil war here. The

Shuting off power to Die Verse Cities during the winter and the Acela corridor would produce that much.

People talk about this errant mentality like it's a learned disease, but maybe it really is physiological in nature

The lefts goal has been learned helplessness for decades.

Blogger Lovekraft December 01, 2016 2:50 PM  

Cracked is converged. Total sjw group hug.

As for comic books, Marvel is owned by Disney. 'Nuff said.

One writer, Mark Millar, has put out some good work over the years but his blog is behind a firewall of censors.

Blogger Lovekraft December 01, 2016 2:54 PM  

Here's Cracked's "David Wong":

http://cdn4.earwolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/7798-300x300.jpg

OpenID wesleyfulton December 01, 2016 2:58 PM  

The decline of Cracked.com has been one of the most depressing spectacles of the past decade. They started out as an apolitical humor site that was one of the funniest places on the Web, the heir apparent to the Onion. I used to go there to ESCAPE from politics. Seeing them converged was a big redpill moment for me.

Anonymous BGKB December 01, 2016 3:05 PM  

Speaking of shitlib big city lawyers. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/12/01/bourgeois-vandalism-philadelphia-city-attorney-caught-on-cctv-spray-painting-fk-trump/

as it turns out, the bourgeois vandal is actually the Philadelphia Assistant City Solicitor Duncan Lloyd.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 01, 2016 3:37 PM  

As I noted previously, Peter Turchin and his team have calcuated that the Population Stress Index is already at 1856 levels. While there is no definite trigger point, the USA is already well within the range that civil wars happen.

This last election is indicative of a political breakdown. The unofficial rules of "submit to the rules of the democracy" aren't in play this time. They aren't accepting the results of this election in the name of the greater good.

To be clear, I’m not complaining. I’m just confused. We won. They lost. They need to get on their knees and kneel before Zod. It’s like going out on the field to shake the losing team’s hands after a game and they yell, “FUCK YOU!” from the dugout. Huh? Even my church is in mourning. I walked in expecting high fives from everyone, but the sermon was about surviving adversity and remembering to pray even when you feel all is lost. The only thing lost is a bunch of irrational babies who have never faced reality before.

When we got back from church, my liberal wife hugged me and said, “I forgive you.” I replied, “For what, making America great again?” and she recoiled in horror as I marched proudly back to the doghouse. My brother’s girlfriend is still livid that he “supports hate” and he lives in Canada (Australian Trump supporters are getting this too for some reason). The bickering drove him further to the right and he decided to get a “Proud Boy” tattoo, which led her to burst into the tattoo studio and start punching him in the face. Who’s nuts here?

Anonymous Avalanche December 01, 2016 4:01 PM  

@5 "An alternative to civil war in America exists. It looks like South Africa. Or Brazil"

Not an alternative, cause WE won't accept it as one! There is a cliff-edge. We are being pushed toward it. Trump is a POSSIBLE brake to slow movement down; he/his administration will NOT stop the movement. Before we accept a push over the edge, we WILL (finally!) begin to push back with force, and it will be bloody!

Arm up and be ready!

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 01, 2016 4:50 PM  

Hmmm...In the US, it was slave-owning, elitist, monopolist Democrats who broke from the Union over the IMPRESSION and FEAR that Lincoln, a moderate Republican, would end slavery and force redistribution and political power from literally 2% of the people in the South to the poor whites...

That does sound eerily familiar...

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 01, 2016 4:56 PM  

"Donald Trump and the Alt-Right are very likely the last hope for avoiding the balkanization and break-up of the USA. Regardless of what you think of either, you would be wise to support both if you wish there to be domestic peace on the North American continent." - Vox Day

This has come up in conversation before, and I've often said, even here, that while there are core principles to the Alt-Right, a lot of us know it's essentially an alliance. I think someone once said it was "militant libertarian" or "libertarian nationalists." That latter is the key.

If we disagree, it's in kind, rather than type. The huge demographic change in the US changes that debate with the inclusion of a large number of people whose reaction to globalist scum like Soros, Clinton, or Obobo is "Moar please. Also, can we rape legally?"

Cracked doesn't understand this, nor will they until they're tied and bound, ready to be macheted. Even then, they may be cucked enough to welcome it.

Or: I like Trump and generally support him. I'm Alt-Right. However, I know that some people disagreed with Patton or didn't like him as a person - but he was one of the best for the job.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 01, 2016 5:08 PM  

DemonicProfessorEl wrote:Lincoln, a moderate Republican,

If by "moderate" you mean a prototype progressive with strong support from Karl Marx and German socialist immigrants, then you are correct.

It is a shame Lincoln was not strangled in the crib.

Blogger Daniel December 01, 2016 5:54 PM  

That's worth researching

Anonymous Suburban Dad December 01, 2016 6:03 PM  

The liberal elite are smart about what matters to them. They know that conservatives control the guns, food and fuel. They won't start any war. The testier will complain like hell if the illegals are deported, the abortion clinics are closed, the welfare cases and tenured radicals are directed to useful labor ... but won't do anyanything. Most liberals, by contrast, will play along, just like the country club Republicans did for 50 years when the power equation (judges, media) pointed the other way.

Blogger dfordoom December 01, 2016 6:03 PM  

7. Wanderer

The average American man is a whole lot more softer, fatter, effeminate, emotionally-stunted, and childlike than the average American man was from 30 years ago let alone 160 years ago.

Also much more dependent in practical areas. People are dependent on electricity and on the availability of gasoline. Dependent on their insurers for health care.

If government collapsed in 1856 people in rural areas would hardly have noticed. If you had a few acres and you had a horse and you had firewood you were fine. Today you'd be looking at mass starvation. Most people today could not survive a couple of days without their smartphones, much less contemplate life without electricity.

And people today are not going to risk their pension plans by rebelling against the government.

There is zero chance of civil war.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 01, 2016 6:10 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:It is a shame Lincoln was not strangled in the crib.
Lincoln was an expression of his times. There was a certain class in America, steeped in German philosophy, either from birth or via the Universities, and supporting, or even members of the corporate class, that invented "progressivism", and the GOP was the creation of those people. Look up Robert Ingersoll.
They hated the South, they hated the Irish, they hated traditional American culture, and most of all they hated, with all the fervent hatred of a demon, Christ and Christians.
Lincoln was their champion, but they would have found another.
Marx was their theorist, but they would have found another.

Anonymous Thorn December 01, 2016 7:12 PM  

@Sharrukin

OF course people fight over ethnicity too, its just that history shows that other things are far more likely to produce a civil war (like religion) and that multi-ethnic societies can be quite viable if there are other sources of unity.

And that's the rub, isn't it - just as we became multi-ethnic, the same people pushed for a complete destruction of everything that might make for social unity.

If we imported ethnic minorities while at the same time pushing for every kind of social unity in religion and social values - you know, the melting pot - would we have gelled into a single unit like previous societies have done? I don't know, but we would have had a shot at it.

Every society, even the most seemingly homogonous like Germany or England, is really made up of multiple ethnicities that gelled into it.

Often very different races, like Turks and Chinese, become a single society like in Central Asia.

So its possible, and happens all the time.

My point is simply that to finger the importation of foreign ethnicities in any possible Civil War as the cause, when at best it can be seen as a factor in the context of a general destruction of all sources of unity, and when in fact it is more a symptom of internal cultural divisions, is simply an unintelligent and simplistic reading of history.

I am for a little bit more nuance.

Blogger Lee Katt December 01, 2016 7:21 PM  

@80 Deplorable Gaiseric

"Lee Katt wrote:
@2 Thales: "Most of the talk I see about Civil War seems to come from (((jews))) saying, "Let's you and him fight!" Such bad-faith cliche's get my oven-sense tingling. "

????

What does that mean?

Exactly what it looks like it means. He's not being passive aggressive."

So he's saying put Jews in ovens. I never thought I'd see the day when that thought would seriously be expressed again, in any context, ever.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 01, 2016 7:28 PM  

dfordoom wrote:And people today are not going to risk their pension plans by rebelling against the government.

There is zero chance of civil war.


Not during Trump's administration. The Left is too soft for it and Soros while happy to stir up trouble isn't crazy enough to buck someone who would Gitmo his entire organization with little thought

Right now a whole shit-ton of Americans aren't doing very well, have no jobs., no pensions and nothing to lose. You know those Trump voters

In not that many years, ten at the long end, the USG won't be able to make ends meet anyway and those pensions, hell running water and electricity will be on the chopping block

Also don't underestimate Americans willingness to buck what they consider unlawful authority.

Take the Standing Rock pipeline dispute , right now more than 2000 veterans have showed up to protect the protesters . That's almost twice as many vets as sworn police officers in the entire state !

Its unarmed and peaceful but these kind of things aren't always that way.

lastly, study up on 4g warfare. Its discussed here a lot. ACW 2.0 electric bugaloo isn't going to be Blue on Grey its going to be an amplification to already existing trends (mass shootings, cop killings, attacks on power lines, ethnic cleaning ala California ) that reaches critical mass.

The US is already at war but massive escalation can still can be stopped with a repeal of Hart Cellar, deportation and economic effort

Note too event the Rebel Right (think Western Rifle Shoooters here) has figured it out. That blog is a great barometer and its shifted from magic soil to soft White Nationalism without even knowing it, I suspect many many people have even many of the record setting Black Friday gun buyers

Blogger Hen December 01, 2016 9:05 PM  

If the left is beginning to hyperventilate about the possibility of a civil war, then you can bet they are already up to it. Obama staying in DC after Trump's inauguration means he will continue to pull the strings as a highly visible anti-government troll. The assault of BLM against the police is merely an initial salvo going public. Maybe those "of military age refugees" were imported for their ops down the road. They wouldn't otherwise have much of an "army" of SJWs.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 01, 2016 9:41 PM  

johnc wrote:I honestly do wonder if there is a physiological problem somewhere here. People talk about this errant mentality like it's a learned disease, but maybe it really is physiological in nature and therefore should be treated as such.

Perhaps one of the reasons Dr. Jordan Peterson has been under fire lately?

He is examining SJWs and their mental faculties, quoting that they seem to have "low verbal cognitive" recognition abilities.

It's a youtube link, where he's interviewed by Lauren Southern:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_fBYROA7Hk&t=2s

Me? I say the SJWs are just hollowed out, low-IQ foot soldiers for the Leftist faction that wants to rule.

Anonymous Avalanche December 01, 2016 9:43 PM  

@106 "So he's saying put Jews in ovens. I never thought I'd see the day when that thought would seriously be expressed again, in any context, ever."

I listened to a Red Ice podcast today: the guy pointed out that, using the best of today's mortuary equipment, it takes between 2 and 2.5 hours to burn the average adult human body to ash. (About 1 hour for a child's body.) If you burn 10 bodies, it's around 22 hours; 100 bodies, around 200 hours.

If the "numbers" are anywhere near accurate: "4.5 million" adults, and "1.5 million" children were allegedly burned by the Nazi's -- which would take more than 1,200 YEARS! So are the Nazi's STILL burning the jews and we just haven't noticed? Or do you think it was magic ovens?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 01, 2016 10:07 PM  

If the "numbers" are anywhere near accurate: "4.5 million" adults, and "1.5 million" children were allegedly burned by the Nazi's -- which would take more than 1,200 YEARS!

Fucking parallelism, dude.
Why would you do them sequentially?

Are all Nazi LARPers this dumb?

Anonymous LastRedoubt December 01, 2016 10:12 PM  

Testing a new Brave shield setting

Anonymous BGKB December 01, 2016 11:02 PM  

So he's saying put Jews in ovens. I never thought I'd see the day when that thought would seriously be expressed again, in any context, ever.

Check out the website Ovenworthy. BigGaySteve is offering a sale on bariatric fainting couches with the coupon code: OyVey.

Obama staying in DC after Trump's inauguration means he will continue to pull the strings as a highly visible anti-government

He is staying for Comet Ping Pong

Blogger haus frau December 01, 2016 11:07 PM  

@103 "And people today are not going to risk their pension plans by rebelling against the government.

There is zero chance of civil war."

OK, and when the national debt reaches a break point and the government nationalizes those accounts claiming it is going to manage them better and then revalues them for pennies on the dollar? Or maybe they are just seized and given a cypress style haircut? What happens when the gov has pisses clean through that money and can't pay off the brown horde anymore? You aren't thinking through the full consequences of an economic collapse, which is what it would take to bring on full scale civil war.

Blogger Prez Davis December 01, 2016 11:26 PM  

Think genetics.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 02, 2016 12:59 AM  

@99

"This has come up in conversation before, and I've often said, even here, that while there are core principles to the Alt-Right, a lot of us know it's essentially an alliance."

That's how I've always viewed the alt-Right. We're a leaderless movement of people with different Rightist beliefs, joined together in frustration of our failed former Right-Wing leaders. We did our best to stop Hillary and propel America forward another four years.

On this blog, we are told/tell ourselves that Trump and the Alt-Right can be the only ones to save the West--the remnants of Christendom.

And yet, we then have discussions like this one, in which a race war is inevitable.

So, is Trump and the alt-Right the solution or not? If so, what kind of a future paradigm are we aiming for? If they are not the solution, then does anyone else have any bright ideas for what kind of a grand paradigm--what kind of government--we should be aiming for?

Because, frankly, this system we have where our leadership changes on a whim every 4-8 years is unstable.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 02, 2016 1:44 AM  

@100 Chris Mallory

On Lincoln being "moderate" - I was being tongue-in-cheek a bit, rhetoric and all that. Dark humor, Democrats = evil. You know.

Historically, Lincoln butted heads with the "Radical Republicans" who wanted to destroy the South and punish white southerners. After Lincoln's death, the Radical Repubs quickly dismantled the Union Army and Grant, Sherman, et al.'s commands as they wanted real reconstruction - the 40 acres and a mule thing, which was also supposed to go to landless whites.

The Radical Repubs feared that if there was a gigantic standing army under the command of guys whose surrender terms were made under the above conditions...well, there would be a coup. Even Lee, among other generals, said they wouldn't have made peace if they knew what was going to happen. I think it was Sherman who grumbled the same. The Republicans betrayed the Generals and the surrender terms of the South. It was awful what they did and its repercussions are still felt today. They treated the South as a conquered territory and colonized it.

Also, Lincoln wanted to ship the former slaves to the Caribbean and Africa...

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 02, 2016 1:50 AM  

@116 Laramie

Thank you - and yes, I think it needs to be made clear sometimes in the (usually entertaining) debates that we're a decentralized alliance with an underpinning ideology. If we disagree about something, it's in kind. Like, how many Mexican should stay in the US? Two dozen? Four dozen? (I kid. Kind of. Really, it's the Central Americans that should be down to zero.)

I can only speak for myself, but I think Trump buys us time and the ability to prepare, whether it's money or food or land or whatever. Or time to fix the regional areas' economies so that a place like the Deep South can scoff at New England or California more properly. Or the Rust Belt can give New York and California the brassy middle finger those places deserve.

It buys us time because we know the Left never sleeps. (Take that Oliver Stone!)

Blogger jandolin December 02, 2016 2:14 AM  

http://www.professorwatchlist.org/

A Zionist project to silence criticism of Israel.

Anonymous Discard December 02, 2016 2:25 AM  

87. Open Carry: All the foreigners still have places to go. Lock them up in camps until their homelands are made to see reason. No, Trump did not run on a platform of expelling U.S. (paper) citizens, but Adolf Hitler did not run on a platform of killing Jews either. Plans get changed in response to events. And yes, it was a different country. It was White, without an influx of hostile non-Whites who expect to get fat on Whitey's dime. Even the Blacks had to work to eat back then.
My speculation is that when wetbacks are deported, their kinsmen and the Left will up the ante, Trump will see their bet and raise, and the contest is on. Lots of rioting, lots, lots of self-defense, lots of choosing sides. Civil War 2 will start out looking a lot like a big crime wave.

Anonymous Discard December 02, 2016 2:28 AM  

106. Lee Katt: This is not a safe space. Honest opinion allowed, though it may be buried in ridicule. Even Nazis can play here.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 02, 2016 3:31 AM  

@118 DemonicProfessorEl

"I can only speak for myself, but I think Trump buys us time and the ability to prepare"

Yes, but to prepare for what? Cataclysm? Okay, fine. But what do we aim for or build after the cataclysm?

I argued for monarchy in the com box a few days ago. Most thought it ridiculous. And yet, here we are, preparing our wills for a race war. As if our subjects weren't already fantastically unusual from mainstream conversation.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 02, 2016 4:37 AM  

@Laramie,
It doesn't matter if God Himself sent a host of angels with the message to get ourselves a king. We'd refuse. Except the so-called elite. They'd go for a king in half a heartbeat. Then we'd kill them all.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl December 02, 2016 7:08 AM  

sarc/

Depends on how pure the king is. Is he 100% pure Thuringian, and verified? I mean, the only real king will be verified pure German.

I mean, come on bros, do you even Hitler?

Blogger Stilicho December 02, 2016 8:03 AM  

"The state has a legitimate monopoly on the use off violence"... made me laugh...
"When, in the course of human events..."

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 02, 2016 8:50 AM  

@116. To any large problem, there is an array of solutions. Usually the best overall solution is to employ multiple smaller solutions from different angles simultaneously, and often single solutions are incapable of solving the entire problem.

This is a very, very large and multi-faceted problem, and Trump + administration were never going to solve it single handedly. No, to those of us who have been paying attention, Trump + administration is just us actually having a level-ish playing field, so that winning is actually possible. The fighting has barely begun.

With this problem, I'd say we're already in the early phases of a civil war, if you want to talk about that. We have quite a bit of unrest, fear, the big propaganda machines are being unmasked. Really, it's either going to quiet down in the next 6 months, or it's just going to keep gradually escalating. To be honest, even if it quiets down, there's a very real possibility that after 4, 6 or 8 years or maybe a few more something untoward happens and the playing field is tilted against us again, if that happens, there will be effectively no hope of a peaceful resolution.

From that perspective, Trump + admin is just a sign that the giants in the land are starting to wake up. All it will take is one push to get some of them to true anger, and there won't be any going back.

From an economic standpoint, our current situation is untenable, and has been for years. We're basically GOING to crash at some point (and I mean total collapse) and there WILL be civil war. If that comes on top of an already escalated clash, it's going to make the first civil war look like a tea party, if not in magnitude, then in sheer drawn-out strangulation of everything for years.

Blogger James Dixon December 02, 2016 8:56 AM  

> People are dependent on electricity and on the availability of gasoline.

There's a reason generators have been flying off the shelves over the past several years. And they can be re-tuned to run off alcohol, which is easy to make.

> And people today are not going to risk their pension plans by rebelling against the government.

From http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/10/17/good-question-how-many-of-us-still-get-a-pension/

"According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) about 22 percent of full-time private industry workers recently got a defined pension benefit."

Care to try again?

> But what do we aim for or build after the cataclysm?

Whatever you want. I almost certainly won't be here. I'm 58 now. There's very little likelyhoold I'll survive round 2.

Blogger James Dixon December 02, 2016 8:58 AM  

> From an economic standpoint, our current situation is untenable, and has been for years. We're basically GOING to crash at some point (and I mean total collapse) and there WILL be civil war.

There's still hope for a peaceful breakup, but the odds do seem to be against it.

Blogger Hhhhgf December 02, 2016 1:59 PM  

They will deserve every ounce of pain the hungry horde brings them

Blogger Hhhhgf December 02, 2016 2:01 PM  

I don't know much about Brazil except for the whites wanting segregation, but South Africa isn't a civil war it is a literal genocide of blacks killing whites which is worse than a civil war probably

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