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Saturday, December 31, 2016

On cherishing extremists

People have asked me, repeatedly, if I am not violating my stated tactic of "protect and cherish your extremists" when I criticize those on the right for doing what I consider to be objectively stupid things. The answer is both simple and obvious: no.

You protect an extremist by refusing to criticize him when he does something extreme to the enemy in the interest of the cause. You protect an extremist by refusing to criticize the excessive tactics he utilizes in taking the battle to the other side. You do not protect an idiot by refusing to criticize him when he a) acts like a moderate and attacks someone on your side, b) does something idiotic and irrelevant, c) serves the interests of the other side by dancing for the media.

The latter really isn't that hard to understand. Look at how the media actually went so far as to pay for the KKK's wood and fuel just so they could create evidence to support their "stupid white people is raciss" narrative.
TIJAT producers went so far as to orchestrate more than one cross-burning ceremony in Pulaski, though it is presented in the documentary as if the KKK is actually hosting the event. “We’ve been allowed special access to film this secret induction,” reads a title card that precedes one of the cross-burning scenes.

“It was the producers who told me they wanted a cross-lighting,” recounted Nichols. “In fact they made two cross-lightings cause they wanted to reshoot some scenes. They bought everything—the wood, the burlap to wrap around the wood, the diesel and kerosene for my cross lighting. They even brought all the food for everyone.”
If you're dressed in a monkey suit and dancing for the media, you're not "playing 4d chess", you're not "mocking the media", you're not an extremist who merits defending, you're just a dancing monkey being used by ruthless hypocrites on the other side.
“They kept asking me, wanting me, to use the word ‘nigger,’” said Nichols, who alleged he was paid $600 per day by producers to participate. “I was sitting down being filmed and interviewed with the lights and the backdrop set up, and I said something and used the word ‘blacks.’ Then the producer interrupted me and said ‘No, no, no. We want him to use the word “nigger!”’’’
There is always demand for idiots who will play media patsy. And while there are people who can go boldly into the lion's den and make the lions do tricks, if your name is not "Donald Trump" or "Milo Yiannopoulos", you are not one of them. Trust me on this. I am smarter than you, I am better-educated than you, and as a three-time nationally syndicated columnist, I have far more media experience than you. And yet, even I can't do it reliably. That's why I limit my contact with the media to written questions, and that's why they don't run my answers when they interview me. I don't serve their narrative.

Turn your guns on allies and sympathizers instead of the enemy, and you lose all right to any cover or assistance or regard. I don't have much tolerance for idiots and I don't have any for those who attack my friends and allies. If you're going to attack Mike and Milo and Stefan and Roosh, you won't do it here and you will go immediately on my "ignore that idiot" list.

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Blogger Lovekraft December 31, 2016 8:09 AM  

The vast majority of people are sheep, wanting to be led by whoever dangles the brightest trinkets.

Then there's the red-pillers, the fringe who have to push an ideology while keeping jobs. Not fully engaged, but understandable.

The true visionaries are usually hidden. But once in a while they step down and offer their insight to those who listen. These we must honor and protect.

The aforementioned sheep are products of a long-entrenched system of dependency and fear. Swaying them to our side takes time and energy.

The asshats that VD mentioned are grouped among the fringe who need correction every now and then.

Anonymous Credo_In_Unum_Deum December 31, 2016 8:22 AM  

alleged he was paid $600 per day by producers to participate

For 600 bucks a day, I'll burn any letter of the alphabet you want and dress up in any costume you give me!!

Blogger ZhukovG December 31, 2016 8:29 AM  

As Vox has pointed out Gamma's within a group tend towards behavior that is destructive to the group's goals. A Gamma in the extremist fringe is a person easily manipulated by the media or 'Agents Provocateur'. Influential members of the extremist faction need to be mindful of this.

Blogger JACIII December 31, 2016 8:30 AM  

Shit on the carpet you get wacked with the newspaper. Bite the hippy you get a biscuit. Simple. Don't make it complicated.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 31, 2016 8:32 AM  

@2
For 600 bucks a day, I'll burn any letter of the alphabet you want and dress up in any costume you give me!!

And that $600 per day is probably in addition to his regular FBI salary, undercover bonus (if there is such a thing) and Federal Government benefits...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 31, 2016 8:33 AM  

'“It was the producers who told me they wanted a cross-lighting,” recounted Nichols.'

Is anyone else picturing this as FBI or SPLC undercover people moonlighting as TV actors?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 31, 2016 8:34 AM  

Looks like the answer is "yes." Tonto beat me to it.

Blogger Adam Meek December 31, 2016 8:42 AM  

if you're an "extremist" and you do talk to the media and don't make an ass of yourself, they probably won't use your quote/footage of you anyway.

no possible good in it.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 31, 2016 8:44 AM  

@6 & @5 Speaking of the FBI thing.... you may already have these texts and you probably already know about COINTELPRO. Their docs. from the 60s revealed their bread and butter practices were 1) infiltration as a means of spreading rumors and 2) turning groups against one another. In the case of the former, this was done with the Nation of Islam. In one case they used surrogates to spread rumors that the ministers were pimping the female members. In the case of the latter, rumors were spread to form strife between United Slaves and the Black Panthers as well as the NY and Chicago factions of the Black Panthers.

I'm just pointing out the above examples to underscore the similarity between tactics from the 60s and those which have been theorized in these times.

Central authority seems to preserve tactics to be passed down from ruling faction to ruling faction. Obama's use of the IRS to attack dissent via application for tax exempt status qualifications was an old "game". Kennedy used it. LBJ used it. Nixon used it.

Anonymous buybuydandavis December 31, 2016 8:51 AM  

Is it that hard? Even after the God Emperor has shown us the way?

Basically you just have to play off the MSM's blindness, which is conveniently located right where they are blind.

Give them something that they think they can play up, which people will think they're being idiots about.

SJW Whistle Politics
Give them something that you *know* they will interpret as some ideological transgression, that the rest of the world will see as nothing and think they're psychos.

Trump + Cinco de Mayo + Taco Bowl + I love Hispanics!
Or the truly beautiful pledge to vote for Trump with hand raised in "Nazi Salute"

Normals Whistle Politics
The flip side of this is to say something with the rest of the country can hear but the MSM media can't.

The RNC did this beautifully with
"Just as the three wise men did on that night, this Christmas heralds a time to celebrate the good news of a new King."

The MSM shit fits were too tasty, too predictable, and too easy.

Yank yank yank on those chains!

It's really ridiculous now. They can't stop themselves. They are berserk.

Eventually they've got to wise up, so why not make hay while the sun is shining?

Blogger Sillon Bono December 31, 2016 8:53 AM  

VD, you have to admit the "extremists" have made a few valid points.

I will not repeat them here, everyone here knows were to go to listen to the other side.

Note that I understand why you say what you say, and why you say it, but a person of your intelligence should have a contingency plan, just in case.

Blogger bosscauser December 31, 2016 8:58 AM  

You're either with us or against us!

#PresidentTrump

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 9:02 AM  

VD, you have to admit the "extremists" have made a few valid points.

Have to admit? When have I ever denied it? But as I have pointed out on several occasions, the fact that something is true does not mean that something is relevant or that it is appropriate in all circumstances.

Anonymous roadrage December 31, 2016 9:06 AM  

At #9
Speaking of infiltration and playing one side against another...a book everyone oughtta read is To The Victor Go The Myths & Monuments by Arthur R Thompson-you can order it from the John Birch Society. If you ever doubted conspiracies exist,you never will again.

Blogger Phillip George December 31, 2016 9:07 AM  

Be on the alert for Russian hackers take down the US power grid fake news.
Mother of all false flags might running imminent. Comet Pizza will burn down a lot of houses to defend their own.

A witch with a pulse is still a witch.

Blogger William Hudson December 31, 2016 9:12 AM  

@4 JACIII, I used to be a hippy....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYO0joolR0

Blogger Jamie-R December 31, 2016 9:12 AM  

I watch Trump mix up his rhetoric and dialectic, he knows when to choose what one. He wants outcomes. It's what it's about. You sack people, discard titles, make yourself look inconsistent or contradictory at times, get heat from all angles, but as long as things are moving in your direction & results continue incoming, it's working. Trump is a master of outcomes. So is Peter Thiel. Bannon too. Can't possibly ask for better kinghitters going into 2017. Sure they're surrounded by many machine-style conservatives, but the key movers & image makers are still in control of the destiny.

Blogger My Dead Gramps December 31, 2016 9:16 AM  

"But as I have pointed out on several occasions, the fact that something is true does not mean that something is relevant or that it is appropriate in all circumstances."

So they're 2-Star generals from Rome Total War?

Blogger Jamie-R December 31, 2016 9:16 AM  

I am annoyed by some of the Bush-era conservatives resuming a business as usual approach like it's 2005 and they're all like, what's changed, we're back. They still need a hit of dialectic because they tend to ignore rhetoric thinking they're on a manifest destiny of Classical Liberalism still. They don't have a clue that this is a vote for survival by the blue collar subscribers to Western Civilisation and they need desperate action in spades.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer December 31, 2016 9:25 AM  

Odds are against it, but could this have been a really good troll job on the documentary producers? It really makes them look bad to both sides.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 31, 2016 9:33 AM  

No, unfortunately not. If you read alternative media then you're in a different media bubble from those who watch these documentaries.

Blogger Old Ez December 31, 2016 9:34 AM  

Who are some these Nazis dancing for the media? Can someone list some of them bc I've been in the Alt right since 2011 and I have to admit I've never really seen any of these kinds of people *in the actual alt right*. The closest example anyone can point to is Andrew Anglin, and if someone want to says he's just a Hollywood nazi, it's clear theyve never actually read his articles or statements and frankly don't know what they're talking about.

Anonymous Scott December 31, 2016 9:37 AM  

Still trying to figure out how making a statement of fact about the ownership of media is equal to putting on bed sheets and burning crosses. The fact that Cernovich had to frantically delete all of his own "anti Semitic" hate tweets after the fact speaks volumes. I admire your loyalty and I'll readily admit that I wouldn't hesitate to publicly cuck to help a friend but I'm not the author of Cuckservative.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 31, 2016 9:50 AM  

The conservative is strong in many of you, most of you actually, that is not good.

When the enemy screws up and the mainstream certainly has you should be looking to make zingers or memes but instead we have the usual navel gazing and "let us build up our defenses up with sandbags full of essays" mentality back in full force.

I see the Craigslist ads now "Nazi for hire, $600 per day plus Obamacare subsidies"

Blogger Jamie-R December 31, 2016 9:51 AM  

Because ownership of media is not the whole truth. While Jews may be 80%/20% in their Right & Left struggle, Whites (Anglo ones) are split 50%/50%. So that's good, but it still means most of our enemies are our own kind. The French have proven 2 centuries before the Anglosphere got into the middle of this shit that Europeans can sell out everything they stand for and make the term 'French' even filthier than it once meant to Brits. The French were the cause of communism, & Luther by dividing the Church unleashed those faultlines among the peasants too, which the Frogs eventually seized on proper. Stability is a precious thing, shifts in power can mess up a lot.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 31, 2016 10:07 AM  

OT: There is a new Russian Hackers story circulating; that they've attempted to hack Vermont's power grid, or something. Not much linking evidence to this claim. Sen. Leahy is describing this threat, which has yet to be substantiated, as a threat to Vermont.

The Uni-Party (Dems and Neo-Cons) are pushing the bejeezus out of this story.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 31, 2016 10:14 AM  

The DNC/Obama cult is basically down to survivalism hysteria. I need the damned gas mask concession, I'll settle for that, though the freeze dried food concession is the choice one.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 10:16 AM  

Still trying to figure out how making a statement of fact about the ownership of media is equal to putting on bed sheets and burning crosses.

It's not. They are two separate issues. Why are you trying to conflate them?

Blogger Cail Corishev December 31, 2016 10:18 AM  

I was thinking about this with regard to Vox's post the other day in which he said there's no such thing as "Judeo-Christian" and mentioned that many Jews hate Christians and Christianity.

If you showed that post to the ADL or SPLC, I'm sure they would declare it thoroughly anti-semitic, just as bad as Roman salutes, and put Vox on their Literally Hitler list (if he's not already). But they aren't sponsoring articles in the Washington Post to try to brew up a scandal over it. Why not? And more importantly, how did Vox know they wouldn't when he wrote it?

If you have any grasp of rhetoric, the difference seems obvious, even if you can't explain why. If you're rhetorically tone-deaf, maybe you can't see the difference at all, so when the left uses one as ammo and not the other, it looks like one guy was just lucky, or was protected by friends or something.

Blogger Scott6584 December 31, 2016 10:23 AM  

I don't understand demanding someone else back your cause. I take VD at face value. This is his site, and no one has the right to DEMAND that he does anything.

The reason I come read here is because of the quality of analysis, AND because as a lifelong consevative, the viewpoints expressed by VD challenge me. I am not nearly as impresses by those in the comment section, whether they be his blind acolytes (VFM), or his vehement detractors.

I am willing to disagree with VD, but not to insult him, or be otherwise disrespectful. Having said that, VD has proven himself correct in things where I initially believed he was wrong.

I am not as impressed with some of his friends, but so what? I work with a guy who is a flaming liberal environmentalist and a vegan. I have even invited him and his wife to my home, and cooked a vegan meal. Unlike many on the left, he is actually a nice guy. I find that I am able to learn some things from him that help me do my job better.

The notion that you must have 100% agreement in order to be friends, or be unable to learn something useful from someone who draws the wrong conclusions from the same data set is ignorant.

Although I backed others in the election, I am thrilled that Trump won, and am increasingly cheered up by the mounting evidence that I was completely wrong about him being a shill for the Clintons. Take you own ego out of the equation, and you'll be surprised what you can learn from people who disagree with you. Sometimes, they are right, and holding on to a position that has been proven wrong is the height of self-delusion.

Blogger Aleksander Pierchalski December 31, 2016 10:26 AM  

I feel like you're ceding a tremendous amount of ground to the media. Why are you letting them dictate the rules of our game? Not talking to the media is just fine, but why let them have influence on what topics we can discuss amongst ourselves?

Blogger Dave December 31, 2016 10:27 AM  

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:'“It was the producers who told me they wanted a cross-lighting,” recounted Nichols.'

Is anyone else picturing this as FBI or SPLC undercover people moonlighting as TV actors?


Why stop at the actors? Would it shock you to find out they orchestrated entire productions? Have you heard of Operation Argo?

And more recently:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/prosecutors-confirm-fbi-agents-posed-film-crew-bunkerville-standoff-investigation

Blogger Kyle Searle December 31, 2016 10:42 AM  

Aleksander Pierchalski wrote:
I feel like you're ceding a tremendous amount of ground to the media. Why are you letting them dictate the rules of our game? Not talking to the media is just fine, but why let them have influence on what topics we can discuss amongst ourselves?


He's really not. The media's market is dying, all we have to do is get out of the way and watch them die. If we build alternatives at the same time, that's better. I post this link again and again across the Internet for good reasons:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

When the majority of Democrats don't believe the media lies, you're done.


Blogger Dave December 31, 2016 10:52 AM  

Aleksander Pierchalski wrote:I feel like you're ceding a tremendous amount of ground to the media. Why are you letting them dictate the rules of our game? Not talking to the media is just fine, but why let them have influence on what topics we can discuss amongst ourselves?

I feel like you have a lot of letters in your handle. So was that media influencing us to discuss Hill's health and Podesta's emails and Pizzagate?

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 10:52 AM  

I feel like you're ceding a tremendous amount of ground to the media. Why are you letting them dictate the rules of our game? Not talking to the media is just fine, but why let them have influence on what topics we can discuss amongst ourselves?

Category error: social media is not private.

Talk about whatever you like in private. Social media, by definition, is not private.

I'm not ceding any ground to the media. To the contrary, Andrew Torba and I are about the only individuals on the Right who are actually responsible for taking ground back from them. What have you, or anyone else, done that compares with Gab and Infogalactic?

But unlike you, I acknowledge the power of the media and am accordingly wary of it.

Blogger Lovekraft December 31, 2016 10:57 AM  

re questions that Vox is hypocrit for writing Cuckservative while providing cover for Cernovich and calling out Anglin, I think Vox is thinking with a clear mind and reaction to the way things are.

He's far from reckless and impulsive.

Would that he could dismiss all potential harm from backing and pushing the real altright to the masses, he would. But he knows that the left still has a lot of weapons at their disposal and going out like a bunch of southern hicks in pickups is the last thing he should be doing.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 31, 2016 10:59 AM  

If you think Vox lets the media limit what he discusses here and other places online, you haven't actually read this blog.

Blogger Jamie-R December 31, 2016 11:02 AM  

The reality of some on the far right is that they wouldn't get why Hitler never signed off on The Final Solution. Once the wars were over and you hope you came out the other side better, Statesmen don't want an association with such actions, now to some today that would be seen as weak and compromising, like, he was gonna stab those in the back who had to risk their necks putting their names to it if it went wrong. Fatherland's a great novel.

Blogger Martin X December 31, 2016 11:05 AM  

"Still trying to figure out how making a statement of fact about the ownership of media is equal to putting on bed sheets and burning crosses."

Obviously a lot of us out here believe that's exactly what Cernovich and the Deploraball and ensuing alt-right/alt-light drama was all about. From out here it looks a lot like this: The election is over and it's time to sweep the cabin of anyone on the right who still wants to talk about Jewish power and influence. Power is now consolidating and while these alt-right guys were useful leading up to the election, now they are a liability because as we all know Jewish power, influence and money rule American politics and we're not going to get a damned thing done if you keep poking the Jews and that includes simply mentioning how much power they have. So we're pulling the Overton Window back a bit to exclude the JQ and nailing it down. And anyone who complains about that is an autistic Nazi larper.

Well the red pilling went further and deeper than most people imagine because unless you're getting a big post election payday to shut up, there is no incentive for the rank and file alt-right army to suddenly go back to having important topics off limits or pretending they don't notice things.

Blogger Aleksander Pierchalski December 31, 2016 11:16 AM  

The subtext of all this is Mike Cernovich. You're mistake was getting into business with him, now you have to cash all checks. He does nothing but create divisions.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 31, 2016 11:19 AM  

Kyle Searle wrote:
Aleksander Pierchalski wrote:

I feel like you're ceding a tremendous amount of ground to the media. Why are you letting them dictate the rules of our game? Not talking to the media is just fine, but why let them have influence on what topics we can discuss amongst ourselves?


He's really not. The media's market is dying, all we have to do is get out of the way and watch them die. If we build alternatives at the same time, that's better. I post this link again and again across the Internet for good reasons:

Americans trust in mass-media sinks to new low

When the majority of Democrats don't believe the media lies, you're done.


Let's think of this from a different angle, though your point about building the alternatives is truly the most important aspect. The (((fake media))) is the enemy. You don't simply let them die unless you know for damned sure that theie wounds are mortal. Rather than 'letting them fade away' we should be looking for ways to shove them over the edge into oblivion - or use their own dead weight to help them into a well-earned grave. If it were a real shooting war, they would be classified as enemy combatants and treated accordingly - killed on sight, captured for hostages, etc. Never take their demise for granted. You seem to forget that their (((owners))) have access to Aunt Janet's trash-for-fake-cash discount window which the cows and sheep do not. We've been reading reports of their imminent demise for a couple of decades, but they're still operating aren't they?

Going to a specific incident (which now seems to have blown over): One of the things Cernovich accused Spencer of was inviting in producers of fake news from The Atlantic to cover the NPI conference, which really was counterproductive because the only thing to come out of the conference was that some Nazi-style salutes were given at the very end of it - possibly by plants. Zero coverage of actual violence by the Antifa mob and none of the important speakers - not even tribesman (((Paul Gottfried))) was even mentioned in terms of contempt. I don't know if Cerno's allegation is true or false, but if it was true it was a remarkably stupid move by Spencer, who should have known better. As with Carlos Slim's Blog, nobody at The Atlantic will ever be anything but an enemy - even their putative conservative housenigga, so any and all efforts or moves towards it should be to bring about its destruction, bankruptcy and ruin. Learn to recognize the enemy. We are at war, and the battle is just getting under way.

Blogger Aleksander Pierchalski December 31, 2016 11:22 AM  

You helped create gab.ai? Never heard that. Big if true. I never said social media was private, but I don't encourage self-censorship and blacklists.

Blogger 1337kestrel December 31, 2016 11:26 AM  

Effective tactics are to recognize when you face a losing battle, and not to fight it. Conservatives fight and surrender. Cucks actively betray their own side.

If you avoid losing battles and prosecute potential victories, you will win the war.

Blogger Aleksander Pierchalski December 31, 2016 11:27 AM  

Two theories, both of which are infowars tier and safe to discuss.

Blogger Dave December 31, 2016 11:32 AM  

I don't encourage self-censorship and blacklists

Aleksander Pierchalski wrote:The subtext of all this is Mike Cernovich. You're mistake was getting into business with him, now you have to cash all checks. He does nothing but create divisions.

Anonymous A1 December 31, 2016 11:33 AM  

Everything about the media you said is true. I've experienced all of it, and have written about or been involved in the production process on more than one movie; I know the media and entertainment industry very well.

I've also been on the end of a very public legal battle covered in the news cycle for a couple of months. There's a reason lawyers tell you to not talk to the media. They did get hold of one of my friends that thought he was doing me a favor by talking to the media. It ended up pathetic and didn't help my cause at all. Well-meaning or not, the media knows how to coerce what they want out of someone.

And even if they can't coerce it out of you, they can take any phrase you say and repurpose it to their own ends. You don't have a chance when they own or control the platform to respond back and give your side of the story.

Media are looking for tools. We shouldn't accommodate them in any way, shape or form. Those that do, in my opinion, have been mesmerized by an opportunity for their one moment of fame, and whether they know it or not, have probably sold out for personal gratification or self-promotion.

As for those attacking Mike, Milo, Stefan or Roosh, what I've seen when reading many of their attacks are bitter and jealous people that believe they're the reason for the rise of Trump and the alt-right, and are envious and jealous of the notoriety and the attention the above guys are getting, and in some cases, the financial rewards accompanying it.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 11:41 AM  

The subtext of all this is Mike Cernovich. You're mistake was getting into business with him, now you have to cash all checks. He does nothing but create divisions.

You are both wrong and ignorant. I'm more than happy to blow off those like you who foolishly insist on attacking Mike. Mike has been the single biggest contributor to the transformation of this blog outside the VFM and the Dread Ilk. You simply do not know whereof you speak. If you guys had any brains at all, you would study him; unlike Milo, you can actually learn from Mike.

You helped create gab.ai? Never heard that. Big if true. I never said social media was private, but I don't encourage self-censorship and blacklists.

I did not help create Gab, but I was one of its early supporters and I believe Andrew counts me among his more effective allies. I am the Lead Designer of Infogalactic, which I expect will be of even more long-term importance.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 31, 2016 11:43 AM  

I would say that we should pay attention to A1's advice above. Never lose sight of the fact that they are the enemy. The media will never be anything else. If it should actually devolve into a real war with bullets, the only "talking" to be done with them is live fire directed to render them into fresh meat for the birds of the air and beasts of the field. That's actually more mercy than they deserve.

Blogger Sevron December 31, 2016 12:06 PM  

From listening to the TRS (AltWhite) people, they are operating under two very erroneous assumptions:

1) The Trump phenomenon owes a great deal or most of its success to their efforts. This is false; they could have disappeared from existence to a man 10 years ago and this would have all played out exactly the same.

2) Mike, Milo, Vox (Mike from TRS in particular seems to hate Vox and think he's a phony), Stefan, et al are mere losers who illegitimately glommed onto the AltRight for undeserved cash and prizes. That's false too. All those guys have been moving the needle, in real and significant ways, for years. We should be grateful for their efforts. Hillary's health, for example, was a great help.

I hope we can learn to work together or at least not fight. There's no reason to take shots at Cernovich. If you don't like what he's doing, don't support it. But he is fighting the enemy in his way, and that is an overall boon to the cause.

Anonymous TLM December 31, 2016 12:26 PM  

...Mike has been the single biggest contributor to the transformation of this blog outside the VFM and the Dread Ilk. You simply do not know whereof you speak. If you guys had any brains at all, you would study him; unlike Milo, you can actually learn from Mike....

Surely you jest. This bromance with Cernovich just doesn't make sense, unless it's strictly a business decision regarding the publishing house and profits. This guy just comes off as a major dork. At least the fag-hagging with Milo is understandable as he possesses a razor sharp wit, and cocky queers like him are good at playing the role of court jester, for a time (Once he soaks all the attention out of this thing he'll move on faster than Andrew Sullivan did). But Cernovich is just another variation of that parasitic fish that attaches itself to a shark, and then takes credit for the kill & journey. And if you believe there's merit to Physiognomy, he comes across slightly more manly than Jeb Bush. In fairness, this Baked Alaska guy also appears to be cut from the same goofy cloth.

I noticed your blog changing around the time when you got involved with the gamergate thing. The focus is clearly different now, less to my liking, but still educational in certain areas. You definitely helped me remove the scales from my eyes regarding the GOPE back in the Bush days. And I learned a lot from your economic posts in the past. Many of commenters that I learned from or enjoyed appear to have vanished or moved on (the microbiologist was always helpful). Not sure if it was due to the change in topics/tone, but if what you say is true regarding Mike's influence on this blog, please reconsider.

Anonymous Afterthought December 31, 2016 12:29 PM  

I wonder what the effect is to a young, uncertain, confused mind who knows that something is wrong with society (which I understand to be a spurning of God) who then proceeds to stew in the poisonous broth of violent, hateful rhetoric day after day for 2 solid years (the core of the "alt right")?

Standing idly by here because of some supposed utility of the extremists is the height of folly.

I do find it highly telling that one often hears "praise kek" from these quarters and very very seldom talk of God, and mostly to defame. When adding in the actual theological content of "synchromysticism" and "willing things into existence" through a kind of "magic", they may not be a hundred miles down the road to devil worship, but they are well down the road.

Alliance with that, even a tacit one? NEVER!

Blogger Jack Hanson December 31, 2016 12:36 PM  

Some of you need to realize writing an essay trying to justify your dramatic faggotry just makes you look like an autistic dramatic faggot.

The lesson is there, and trying to avoid it by engaging in sophistry isn't a winning option.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 12:49 PM  

Surely you jest. This bromance with Cernovich just doesn't make sense, unless it's strictly a business decision regarding the publishing house and profits.

You're completely and utterly wrong. You have it backwards. The only reason I publish ONE of his books is because we are friends.

I noticed your blog changing around the time when you got involved with the gamergate thing. The focus is clearly different now, less to my liking, but still educational in certain areas.

And that was the direct result of my meetings with Mike, and him telling me some things I needed to hear. Infogalactic probably would not exist without him. Other projects now in motion would not exist without him.

Like him or not, Mike speaks some powerful truths. No one is saying he's perfect, especially not Mike himself. But if you refuse to listen to him, you are, quite literally, sabotaging yourself.

Mike from TRS in particular seems to hate Vox and think he's a phony

Phony what? That's the thing with these guys, they can't even articulate whatever it is they are feeling. I haven't survived 15 years of Leftist/feminist/SJW attacks by being false about who I am or what I believe. The greatest compliment anyone ever paid me was by someone who dislikes me, who said that nevertheless, if I said the sky was green, he wouldn't even bother looking out the window to confirm it. Because he observed that I simply see no benefit to myself in lying or even exaggerating, given the scrutiny I have been under for so long.

Which means that the guy is almost certainly projecting. If I thought he was relevant to me, I'd dig deeper into whatever phoniness he is hiding.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 12:51 PM  

Standing idly by here because of some supposed utility of the extremists is the height of folly.

You're absolutely wrong. Stop purity-spiraling.

Blogger Sevron December 31, 2016 12:56 PM  

"Phony what?"

I don't know. It's not limited to you, Milo is just trying to get famous, Cernovich is just a book merchant, etc. These are people who get excited when they can get 15 people together in the NYC area but somehow think others with thousands in books sales and draw in thousands per year at speeches are the ones trying to falsely co-opt the movement.

Blogger ZhukovG December 31, 2016 1:10 PM  

What the extremists need to understand is that when they 'point and shriek' JEW! or obsess over the JQ, they are not causing harm to the enemy, but actually aiding and abetting the enemy.

It is one thing to be an honorable warrior; it is another thing(stupidity) to shoot yourself in the foot just to make the fight more challenging.

Blogger Bodo Staron December 31, 2016 1:15 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:Kyle Searle wrote:

Going to a specific incident (which now seems to have blown over): One of the things Cernovich accused Spencer of was inviting in producers of fake news from The Atlantic to cover the NPI conference, which really was counterproductive because the only thing to come out of the conference was that some Nazi-style salutes were given at the very end of it - possibly by plants.


This.
I mentioned this to Vox before.
Not talking to the media is fine. Not inviting them is also fine.

What will be the next step by the media, if there is this "mysterious" group called the AltRight?
They will "investigate". They will send investigative reporters. They might even send plants to. Even MORE effective if they get roman salutes on hidden cameras.

So, maybe, ground rules? I don't think Richard could have foreseen what some people did. Maybe it IS a good idea to ban salutes, Swastikas and similar stuff at events? It doesn't matter if open or closed events.
That crap is banned in Germany anyways.

As for not talking to media, I can currently witness how things play out in Germany. One opposition that is no political party is the "Identitarian Movement". They talk to the press regularly and they mostly get bad press. But their membership numbers grow steadily.

New Right thinkers are sometimes interviewed. A very good article on Götz Kubitschek came out in "Der Spiegel".

For political parties: The AfD sometimes bans press, sometimes talks to them. They always get bad press (75% of German journalists are leftists). Membership is still growing, polls are somewhat flat.

There is no perfect answer.

Blogger tz December 31, 2016 1:20 PM  

Half OT, but a present under the tree I missed.
CS Lewis on Fake News
He suggests dissociation for professional liars.
It is coming to pass.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros December 31, 2016 1:21 PM  

Afterthought wrote:Alliance with that, even a tacit one? NEVER!

Cuuuuuuuck.
This is why conservatism is becoming obsolete. You think indulging your disgust response is "standards," but it's actually just short-sighted failure to strategize. To paraphrase the Bible, the only way to avoid associating with people you don't like is to kill yourself.

Ironically, the same mistake is made by the hyper aggro trolls. No surprise there.

Anonymous Dystopia Max December 31, 2016 1:22 PM  

Looks like we found the target the media successfully flushed out:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/this-man-helped-build-the-trump-meme-army-and-now-he-wants-t?utm_term=.aeAWaeJ589#.buYmve142Y

"Following this weekend’s social media meltdown over the guest list of the DeploraBall —an inauguration bash celebrating the role a right-wing social media insurgency played in Donald Trump’s presidential campaign — a man named Jeff Giesea finds himself in the crosshairs of a livid troll army. It’s an army he helped create.

Giesea, a Washington, DC, entrepreneur and consultant, is one of the minds behind MAGA3X, a meme-happy social media organization that describes itself on Twitter as “a citizen grassroots movement that helped elect Trump” and on its website as “Freedom’s Secret Weapon.” He is also one of the organizers of the DeploraBall, now the site of a dispute threatening to destroy the alt-right — the nascent conservative alliance of hardcore trolls, white supremacists, anti-SJWs, Trumpian nationalists, and memelords — on the eve of its greatest triumph.

“We just had a bad public breakup,” Giesea said."

I'll say!

Every degree of deniable managerial separation from funders and actors is an inevitable sore point. Mike Cernovich was acting uncharacteristically because he was acting AS A MANAGER, a poisonously intermediate role which no one should ever force him to play in retrospect.

The rest of the public hedging is because Jeff is funding it and demands it be so. Quod erdat demonstrandum: you now know:

1. who's been hiding, and thus:
2. who's been insulated from the very huge shifts in public opinion
3. who's been mediating his public pronouncements based on who's paying him. (Definitely not Vox, and I mean that seriously.)

Blogger CynicalMan December 31, 2016 1:34 PM  

Much of the power of the media rests upon their ability to dangle the fifteen minutes of fame carrot in front of those who need some form of affirmation in their being or cause. People who do not need others telling them how great they are don't need the accolade and limelight of media attention. Falling prey to the tactics of the media is a sign of weakness, Trump showed strength when he consistently demonstrated his disdain and unwillingness to be their patsy. Very seldom is there anything to gain from letting the media pull your strings.

Anonymous digger December 31, 2016 1:34 PM  

VD, I didn't understand what you were saying until your comment in a previous threat about how there were 3 kinds of actors in this: movement people, brand/celebrities, and intellectuals.

That explained a lot and I can see now why Cernovich first glommed onto the Alt-right then rejected it.

Unfortunately while Cernovich may be good at what he does, and may even be useful, ultimately he is about himself over 'saving Western Civilization' and will betray the later when it is advantageous to himself. And I think that is what has a lot of people upset.

Most interesting to me is where Trump falls onto this tripartide. He is the the ultimate brand. And yet there is a very strong sense of him being there not for himself but to give back; that he is only there because of the movement (of Americans, not the Alt-Right). We shall see.


Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents December 31, 2016 1:35 PM  

Man, the Arts & Entertainment cable channel sure has gone down hill; a Fakeumentary about da Klan isn't artistic nor entertaining. One way to push this news story a little further: the 0bama economy is so bad, working class people are taking jobs as actors.

There's a pretty good SNL type skit to be made here, the KKK rally where every single participant is from either a government or private alphabet agency, and not one actually is what he says he is. If SNL still did humor, we'd be seeing this.

There's also a chance for black knighting, with all the very small CCD cameras available now, but it would require a lot of work to troll journo-lists into a pre-wired hotel suite where they could be induced in time to let out their real motives. Then edit that video for maximum effect. Do to them what Andrew Breitbart did to Planned Parenthood. Trouble is, very, very few people have the ability to do this and make it work.

The rest of us need to just stay the heck away from the swamp stream media. Journo-lists are just more advanced versions of the trolls that poop in threads from time to time. Don't touch the poop.

Anonymous TLM December 31, 2016 1:37 PM  

@52

Not sure if you were taking a shot at me, but I'll take the bait.

Define irony- Being called an autistic dramatic faggot attempting sophistry by a guy that writes faggy unsophisticated dinosaur porn novellas.

What's your next book? Dino Park After Dark #2.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 31, 2016 1:45 PM  

a dispute threatening to destroy the alt-right — the nascent conservative alliance of hardcore trolls, white supremacists, anti-SJWs, Trumpian nationalists, and memelords — on the eve of its greatest triumph.

I count at least three lies in that partial sentence, even after conceding that a "dispute" exists. The Alt-Right isn't "conservative"; it's not in any danger of being destroyed, certainly not by a junior-high spat over who got invited to a party; and the inauguration won't be its greatest triumph.

I also wonder how many of those descriptives the author actually understands, and didn't just pull out of other articles. Could he explain the difference between a "hardcore troll" and a "memelord"? Or was he just throwing in terms that he finds scary?

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 1:59 PM  

@46 A1

And even if they can't coerce it out of you, they can take any phrase you say and repurpose it to their own ends.
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This might be a conspiracy theory, but I believe they are beyond, or close to it, even this point.

I saw a video, might have been anonymous, where they can literally take anybody, put them on screen, and then have another guy say whatever he wants, and it looks as if the target is saying the crazy.

We saw them experimenting with green screen at one of the Hitlery rallies.

Trump spent a massive amount of time calling out the media. Best for us amateurs to avoid them at all costs.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 2:04 PM  

@51 Afterthought
I do find it highly telling that one often hears "praise kek" from these quarters and very very seldom talk of God, and mostly to defame.
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I find it telling that you don't know WTF you are talking about. There is plenty discussion of God on this blog.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 2:08 PM  

@56 ZhukovG

What the extremists need to understand is that when they 'point and shriek' JEW! or obsess over the JQ, they are not causing harm to the enemy, but actually aiding and abetting the enemy.
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I guess this is what makes us alt-west. We can see the pernicious influence of jews such as Soros and Specter. But these guys are in a monomania about it.

It seems similar to how the lefties claim everything is white people or racist.

Anonymous User December 31, 2016 2:10 PM  

Mike used Ericksonian techniques on you to good effect. The evidence is clear to anyone who knows how to see it. Ask Scott Adams if you want verification, since it's basically impossible to see yourself. It's not a function of intelligence.

The credibility of the media is so low that I'm personally witnessing basic baby boomers looking into the alt-right thanks to the outright fascists trolling the media. Being attacked by the media just makes them stronger. Being attacked by Mike just makes them stronger.

Now is not the time to back off. Now is the time to push hard while the masters and their propagandist tools are deranged and disoriented.

Blogger S1AL December 31, 2016 2:17 PM  

"I guess this is what makes us alt-west. We can see the pernicious influence of jews such as Soros and Specter. But these guys are in a monomania about it."

Note also the difference between Vox's use of ((())) to attack hypocrisy, versus those who use it to attack someone solely for ethnicity.

Anonymous Dystopia Max December 31, 2016 2:17 PM  

"I do find it highly telling that one often hears "praise kek" from these quarters and very very seldom talk of God, and mostly to defame."

People have to learn to be pagans and thank SOMETHING before they can learn to be Christians and properly thank the Lord Jesus Christ. Egyptian frog-worshipers are more amenable to Christian witness and discovery than those who question human reason and human history itself.

Anonymous User December 31, 2016 2:18 PM  

This is not an accurate description of what Mike Enoch has said.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 2:24 PM  

This whole thing is surrounded in confusion.
From the perspective of the average person, the Deploraball was something for the people. Roger Stone talking about it on infowars.

I don't think the average Trumpkins realized it was an organized event. So they are taking this as an elites coopting an event, when apparently the guys own the brand and the event.

Then you had the entire situation at the same time of that college professor calling for white genocide. That already had people riled up, even the normies, when the particular BA and Cernovich thing went down. Average types were riled up and ready to rumble, and that gave some big energy to these two guys personal argument.

For me, in retrospect, the peacemakers calling for all sides to bury the hatchet were correct. Better to sleep on something of this sort and see how things play out.

I quit following the BA/Cern situation after the first couple days. I saw a couple BA tweets yesterday and it looks like he and Mike are trying to bury the hatchet, which would be excellent.

This entire thing was ultimately a distraction from what we should be celebrating, MAGA.

Anonymous Murder-Woggle December 31, 2016 2:30 PM  

Vox, speaking of traitors who attack Milo et al can you please call out the owner of Kiwi Farms. The owner of Kiwi Farms, Joshua Conner Moon, claims to be altRight has threads attacking Milo, yourself, vordak and a whole bunch of gamergaters and altRight.

Those guys have nothing like your popularity though can you turn up the heat on Moon?

The site claims to be antisjw but mostly seems to attack the disabled. Picking on literal retards (admittedly not too far off SJW). They are currently calling Milo a pedophile or something and accusing him of stealing from his charity fund.

Kiwi Farms makes us look really bad because aside from the fact that he is a well known pedophile, its owner Josh Moon has also spoken animatedly about his desire to collect a necklace of jewfingers.

Moon is getting lots of heat already because hotwheels and vordak have been going at him all year and so have the sjws. Can you and milo signal turn it up a notch or ten?

Anonymous Silly but True December 31, 2016 2:57 PM  

2017: The year Russia threatened Vermont. I'm #literallyshaking

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 31, 2016 2:59 PM  

@tz
"Half OT, but a present under the tree I missed.
CS Lewis on Fake News"

A brilliant piece, and the animation is well done. Thanks.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 3:12 PM  

Unfortunately while Cernovich may be good at what he does, and may even be useful, ultimately he is about himself over 'saving Western Civilization' and will betray the later when it is advantageous to himself. And I think that is what has a lot of people upset.

I think you're wrong. Nazi clowns != saving Western civilization.

This is not an accurate description of what Mike Enoch has said.

That may or may not be true. I doubt anyone here cares. I don't pay any attention to him and I never have. Virtually no one here does.

Vox, speaking of traitors who attack Milo et al can you please call out the owner of Kiwi Farms. The owner of Kiwi Farms, Joshua Conner Moon, claims to be altRight has threads attacking Milo, yourself, vordak and a whole bunch of gamergaters and altRight.

No. I don't play "let's you and him fight" or "did ya hear what Suzy said about ya?"

Mike used Ericksonian techniques on you to good effect. The evidence is clear to anyone who knows how to see it. Ask Scott Adams if you want verification, since it's basically impossible to see yourself.

He didn't use any techniques of any kind on me. He simply pointed out something that I recognized was true, which recognition enabled me to stop faffing about and overthinking everything.

Anonymous JamesD December 31, 2016 3:29 PM  

[b]Surely you jest. This bromance with Cernovich just doesn't make sense, unless it's strictly a business decision regarding the publishing house and profits. This guy just comes off as a major dork. [\b]

Cernovich was apolitical until Trump. He played a critical role intellectually in the manosphere: teaching men to deprogram themselves from the feminist rot that was brainwashed into their minds. He practiced what he preached and has become quite successful.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 31, 2016 3:30 PM  

@Afterthought
"I do find it highly telling that one often hears "praise kek" from these quarters and very very seldom talk of God, and mostly to defame."

Empty virtue-signaling. You don't pay very close attention, do you, cuck? For example:
http://therightstuff.biz/2016/12/30/acedia-the-underlying-affliction-of-white-civilization-2/

Even not-really-huwhyte-and-hardly-Christian PUA Roosh runs frequent pieces from a very hardcore Trad Catholic.

A man's faith is his own. What matters is that he recognizes the role that religion needs to play in society, and that a church can be destroyed from within as well as without.

Let me guess: you feel this irresistible impulse to signal against ironic Kek-worship, but Moloch is OK, right?

Anonymous WTFyou December 31, 2016 3:39 PM  

What part of NO ENEMIES ON THE RIGHT is so hard to understand? Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Blogger Montrose December 31, 2016 3:49 PM  

Which narrative should be attacked? "White people are racist" or "Racism is bad"

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club December 31, 2016 4:12 PM  

This is the world wrought by social media overload and infantilizing indoctrination in schools: It's not just women who are attention whores with toddler-level emotional control, and because there is such a flood of "content", only the most extreme ever gets any traction.

It's the one part of the new media paradigm that the MSM has firmly grasped, and they're gonna run with it at every opportunity, even if they have to create those "opportunities".

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 31, 2016 4:12 PM  

I feel like you're ceding a tremendous amount of ground to the media. Why are you letting them dictate the rules of our game?
I feel like you're ceding a tremendous amount of ground to the enemy artillery. Why are you letting them dictate the rules of our war?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 31, 2016 4:18 PM  

Which narrative should be attacked? "White people are racist" or "Racism is bad"

"White people are inherently racist forever" implicitly assigns the majority of the population to our side. That needs to be allowed to fester & spread.
The victory will come when White people, on average, realize that the charge of racism is meaningless, and the attitudes and actions that the Left calls racist are not bad.

Blogger S1AL December 31, 2016 4:37 PM  

The problem isn't either one. The problem is "only the racism of white people counts", stated by the more academic vile-progs as "racism is prejudice plus power". If you let them use that frame, it is actually impossible to win. So you have to reject it totally and explicitly.

Blogger Martin X December 31, 2016 4:40 PM  

I expect to see Cernovich back on Fox this year. Over time he'll become a regular talking head on topics that require input from the Alt-Rightish perspective. He'll be a hair edgier than Gavin McInnes but ultimately wind up a civic nationalist ready and willing to stab right when necessary. I'm just hoping he follows through with his pledge to openly publicize and fight White Genocide in South Africa as he promised to do after visiting.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 31, 2016 4:40 PM  

Have any of these people criticizing Cernovitch read even a synopsis of his message? He preaches boldness, self-confidence and ruthlessness. I certainly noted the difference here when Vox took the message of boldness to heart.

Blogger l' Américain December 31, 2016 5:06 PM  

Alright, I am tired of you, you fcking indian.

You very well might be a smart man, you may have more education than the 22 years olds that read your blog, but you are not the Eye of Sauron that sees all things. The collective intelligence of the alt-right community, that is everyone who occupies positions of observations that 10,000 of you cannot, have accumulated far more knowledge than you, or any other person, could possibly.

In the words of Conor Mcgregor; "We are not here to take part. We are herre to take over."

We are not here be mainstream or primetime, we are here to burn down anything we can.

And the "Alt-West" better brand themselves really well, because we are going to turn you into nazis as we become the loudest motherfuckers on the block.

Blogger S1AL December 31, 2016 5:14 PM  

'And the "Alt-West" better brand themselves really well, because we are going to turn you into nazis as we become the loudest motherfuckers on the block.'

Just as soon as you finish jerking it to Himmler, I'm sure. We won't wait up.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros December 31, 2016 5:17 PM  

@88 Look, I know you had to ham it up for comment number 88, but it didn't work out so well the last time the Nazi Sperg Battalion turned their autism cannons on Vox.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 5:35 PM  

Alright, I am tired of you, you fcking indian.

And yet, here you are, back on my blog, commenting again even though I told you you're not wanted here. This is evidence that you don't matter and you don't have a platform capable of reaching as many people as you'd like.

You're so irrelevant that I'm not even bothering to spam your comment this time.

You very well might be a smart man, you may have more education than the 22 years olds that read your blog, but you are not the Eye of Sauron that sees all things. The collective intelligence of the alt-right community, that is everyone who occupies positions of observations that 10,000 of you cannot, have accumulated far more knowledge than you, or any other person, could possibly.

There are more than 10,000 Dread Ilk. And our average IQ is at least one standard deviation higher than what passes for the collective intelligence of the Alt-Nazi. You guys are so dumb you can't even figure out that Nazism and White Nationalism are intrinsically contradictory.

In the words of Conor Mcgregor; "We are not here to take part. We are herre to take over."

You can't even convince those who are sympathetic to your most important goals to stand having you around. You're not taking over anything. And you know it, which is why you are so terrified of your brand being coopted.

It will be. Not because that was anyone's intention, but because you're too incompetent to get out of your own way.

We are not here be mainstream or primetime, we are here to burn down anything we can.

Beginning with your own movement and your own brand. That's why you're irrelevant.

And the "Alt-West" better brand themselves really well, because we are going to turn you into nazis as we become the loudest motherfuckers on the block.

Actually, the Alt-West will become synonymous with the Alt-Right, which won't include you Alt-Nazis. Now, go dance for the media and show them what a good Nazi you are, monkey boy.

If you're so loud, then why on Earth are you here, trying to use my microphone? And if you guys want to take on the VFM and the Dread Ilk again, they're more than ready for you. I suggest you think long and hard about that one.

OpenID lvl6263 December 31, 2016 5:50 PM  

The hypocrisy regarding Zionism (“a Jewish state is very good and necessary”) vs White Nationalism (“a European state is very very very bad you neo nazi anti-Semite, misogynist, racist”) is obvious. And the failure of Europeans to, as of yet, fully stand up for themselves, hinges on Jews (and other minorities) beating Whites over the head with Hitler’s Germany as the embodiment of racially conscious Whites (it necessarily has to be the Jews wielding this weapon because muh 6 million)

The Nazi stuff is natural, when externally you are pressured to associate your natural ingroup preference with being a Nazi, an exploration of those feelings is going to be tied to Nazism (for perspective Vox, I had to sit through countless Holocaust survivor speeches and Schindlers List viewings in highschool) The nazi trolling nullifies that rhetorical weapon, so people should stop signaling and start goosestepping. If everyone goosestepped to work next week, the media Jews would get a bit stirred up, but after a week they could do a head count, no 6 million missing, then we would all laugh and (((they))) would say “you guys are alright”, no Shoah here, and board the next plane for Israel.

But seriously, if we remove Hitler as the Face of Pure Evil there would be a lot more space for a serious WN movement.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 5:52 PM  

The nazi trolling nullifies that rhetorical weapon, so people should stop signaling and start goosestepping.

Never going to happen. You can't even win over those who share your goals. Find a new tactic, because that one is idiotic. Only a moron sticks with a failed tactic as his strategy.

Anonymous Sethinlabora December 31, 2016 6:01 PM  

Sometimes those with insight should distance themselves from extremism. Buckley dropped the Birch Society and Ann Rand. Buckley and National Review had and enjoyed a larger viewership then those it dropped. Stay loyal to those you know, trust, and have confidence in.

Blogger tz December 31, 2016 6:02 PM  

"No enemies to the right" technically means we will not consider anyone on the right as enemy until proven otherwise.

When someone does something tactically stupid or counterproductive, and hurts us, the first time it is reasonable to yell "stop", the second time is to consider them an enemy, if not directly or ideologically, but because they are doing things which harm the cause and refuse to stop doing so.

The first goal of the alt-right is "Winning".

This is the issue about "equality" (which many electrons have moved). Does your advocacy of "equality" help or hurt? Is your idealizing some kind of post-Millenial (eschaton, not SJW) utopia contributing to the battle?

Molyneux doesn't even put the position strongly enough. We will need a kind of Crusade, Reconquista, Inquisition, and other ugly means to restore Western Civilization.

But there is no conversation possible with the barbarians.

Blogger tz December 31, 2016 6:04 PM  

Canadian Geese are the real Nazis. I keep having to step over their shit.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 31, 2016 6:05 PM  

@93 Dang dude, it's New Years! Why you still here? You should be getting your party on? It's also possible that you are one of those dudes who despises going out on New Years' though

Happy New Years' and Roll Tide!

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 6:10 PM  


There are more than 10,000 Dread Ilk. And our average IQ is at least one standard deviation higher than what passes for the collective intelligence of the Alt-Nazi. You guys are so dumb you can't even figure out that Nazism and White Nationalism are intrinsically contradictory.


Contradictory how?

Blogger VFM #7634 December 31, 2016 6:25 PM  

As Vox has pointed out Gamma's within a group tend towards behavior that is destructive to the group's goals. A Gamma in the extremist fringe is a person easily manipulated by the media or 'Agents Provocateur'. Influential members of the extremist faction need to be mindful of this.

@3 ZhukovG
IMO VD's identification and description of Gamma is one of his most important contributions to the cause, on par with SJWAL.

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 6:33 PM  

Nazism or national socialism is not 100% Hitlerism. George Lincoln Rockwell wrote about the significant differences, principal among them being non German-chauvinism which means no more brother wars to todays NS folk. I am hopeful for the Alt-Right's success and happy with the 16 points of the Alt-Right. I must admit that success has so far eluded the NS and am encouraged by the Alt-Rights commitment to winning as per its point #3.
So what is victory for the alt-right? Is it bigger blog readership, radio listeners, viewers of youtube vids or tv? Will that count as a victory? I have high hopes for an anti-globalist presidency although Trump is cagey with his public remarks. As yet, who am I to complain but since alt-right has its point 14 - the 14 Words victory for my point of view must be some significant tangible progress on the demographic front. We need more white children and fewer non-white children. At the very least there must be significant reduction in the rate of browning of the population or else all the blog readers of whatever alt-right echo chamber means nothing aside from greater book sales and a boost to personal vanity. If progress on the demographic front has not happened by the end of Trumps first term then victory is still eluding the Alt-Right as it has for all of us who are anti-Communist and annti-globalist.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 6:45 PM  

Contradictory how?

As I said, you guys are so dumb you can't figure it out.

Sometimes those with insight should distance themselves from extremism. Buckley dropped the Birch Society and Ann Rand. Buckley and National Review had and enjoyed a larger viewership then those it dropped.

John Birch and Ayn Rand were not extremists. Buckley was the architect of conservative failure and eventual American destruction.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 6:46 PM  

So what is victory for the alt-right? Is it bigger blog readership, radio listeners, viewers of youtube vids or tv? Will that count as a victory?

Reconquesta 2.0 and the survival of Western civilization. Everything short of that is just a battle.

Blogger Jack Hanson December 31, 2016 7:05 PM  

TLM,

Thanks for letting me know I struck a nerve bro.

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 7:26 PM  

101.  VD
December 31, 2016 6:45 PM
Contradictory how?

As I said, you guys are so dumb you can't figure it out.

The last time you gave me that response was shortly after you had interviewed some nasty globalist woman and the online feedback from the ilk was that you let her off easy when they thought you should have hammered her with masterful rhetoric. I asked you what was the strategy you were following? I think the ilk was right that you should have reduced that wretched woman to tears when she was sorely asking for it but your answer was basically that everyone who couldn't see why you didn't was merely stupid. I don't see what you gained now months later and don't feel like giving you the benefit of the doubt again when you make such a bold and ridiculous assertion without backing it up.
For as smart as you clearly are you still have things to learn. I was vocally against libertarianism on your own site back when you were an enthusiastic libertarianism booster and you came around to my nationalism not me to yours. The smartest people are those who use their greater intelligence to make others around them (aside from those attacking them) feel like they have something worthwhile to say or contribute, not keep talking down to them to try to make them feel small. I'm slightly younger than you and I still know something that you haven't yet learned. So why don't you try again and explain contradictory how?

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson December 31, 2016 7:29 PM  

The Alt-White crowd is like that friend you had in college who always embarrassed you whenever you went out in public with him. He was a ok guy and you had some good times with him hanging out in your dorm room listening to him talk smack on the world. However whenever you were with him in public, after about 15 minutes you were trying to pretend that you weren't with him.

We agree with the Alt-White that White Genocide is real, that (((certain people))) are trying to destroy the West and that the West is the homeland for White people, we want the invaders gone and an end to the poz and degeneracy. All we ask of the Alt-White crowd is don't embarrass us in front of the whole media. That's all we freaking ask and the Alt-White won't do it.

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 7:32 PM  

Reconquesta 2.0 and the survival of Western civilization

If it happens soon we will who carries the torch to the enemy and if it isn't the ultras that make some of your jew and philo-semite readers uncomfortable.

Anonymous AR Sniper December 31, 2016 7:33 PM  

Exactly. This week I've heard both Milo & Spencer take shots at each other.
RS agreed with me via Twitter 2 months ago to ignore the calls from Alt Nazi to attack him and let him do his thing while Spencer did his.

I don't blame Milo after months of Stormfag harrassment & Spencer has to keep cred with Alt White (I guess) but the now open rift tells me we will not succeed in the short term.

If you can't be disciplined or forward thinking enough to focus your attacks on the real enemies instead of fellow travelers & potential allies you will ultimately fail.

Still waiting for a competent leader (*ahem* Dark Lord *ahem*)....

Blogger Mastermind December 31, 2016 7:37 PM  

The alt right is a reactionary movement to progressive abuses and conservative uselessness, it's not and never really has been a coherent ideology. Friction is inevitable. Whatever comes out of the rubble of modern society, it probably won't be any one person's vision anyway.

Blogger Sillon Bono December 31, 2016 7:41 PM  

>> Reconquesta 2.0 and the survival of Western civilization. Everything short of that is just a battle.

Consistently and clear objectives, VD you seem to have them, but does everyone else?

I hope things calm down, the only thing that makes us weaker than painting a bullseye in our foreheads is division and infighting.

I am of the opinion that we all need to push in the same direction, and doing so without anybody stepping on anybody's toes, and for that ape behaviour is as bad as being stupid.

Anonymous RA December 31, 2016 7:42 PM  

The rhetoric one selects can either help or hurt the overall cause and those who don't consider the optics are proverbially taking a knife to a gunfight. Difficult questions can be legit, but not so much when accompanied by roman salutes or similar symbolism.

When someone far smarter and with far more media experience than me says he "can't do it reliably", I had better listen. VD understands his limits and sets his media policies accordingly. Something I didn't see from Spencer; something I don't see from some posters here.

Some posters here ought to start their own blogs and work on building it up. See how it feels when your readership doesn't come from your choir.

Blogger Lazarus December 31, 2016 7:50 PM  

Jeffrey Johnson wrote:That's all we freaking ask and the Alt-White won't do it.

They don't know how. These fuckers would not be allowed in the Nazi party. Too fucking precious. Don't want to do the hard work, just piggy-back on their intellectual betters and flash little girls at bus stops.

Anonymous RA December 31, 2016 7:51 PM  

@105. Exactly. Alt-white makes legit points, but they tend not to understand optics well. Or maybe they do and they're doing it on purpose. The distinction isn't all that important to me anymore because either way it limits the appeal of their messages. Again, knife and gunfight.

Blogger S1AL December 31, 2016 7:55 PM  

OK, let's set the record straight on two things:

1) Nazism is a failed, pagan throwback for losers who identify with creepy mustaches and blond hair. Moreover, it's intrinsically anti-American, imperialistic, warmongering, and internally suicidal.

2) Second, even without the Holocaust, 99% of Americans still want nothing to do with Nazism. You can battery on and on and on about Jews all day long. You might even eventually convince people. They *still* will not want to be Nazis.

Glad we could clear that up.

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 8:06 PM  

@105 The extremists who openly vow the establishment of Sharia Law on the west have not derailed Islams advance across white nations nor have the numerous violent atrocities in Islams name. Is the alt-right so fragile that it must silence fellow anti-globalists in order to get a fair shake from (((big media)))? How far would you reign in the so-called clown Nazis (in declining degrees of being inflammatory)? Cross lightings? Swastika emblazoned costumes? Confederate flags? Casual use of racial slurs? White pride? Pre-1965 immigration reform demographics nostalgia? Vocal opposition to globalisation? You'll never stop (((them))) from trying to smear you unless you become one of them. I don't think it is necessary because more people are waking up to media lies but I'll do my bit by refraining from cross lightings and I have neither an SS uniform or a Confederate flag. I'll stop calling out niggers once all the other clown Nazis have been silenced or sidelined first - all for the greater goal of The 14 Words.

Anonymous Silly but True December 31, 2016 8:11 PM  

@S1,
It's their tactics and they've been quite successful at it. Embrace it

The key is understanding power is _transactional_ -- relative. There's very few relationships that are precisely 50/50 and there is not a consensus on the exact definition of what "power" is or can be.

This is the model of the 2016 election. Old power was political institutions with traditional liberal media as a message. It was also racist and sexist against white males. Recognize you can't win in that arena and make it irrelevent.

Use their definition of racism = prejudice + power. Beat them with it.

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 8:20 PM  

OK, let's set the record straight on two things:

1) Nazism is a failed, pagan throwback for losers who identify with creepy mustaches and blond hair. Moreover, it's intrinsically anti-American, imperialistic, warmongering, and internally suicidal.

2) Second, even without the Holocaust, 99% of Americans still want nothing to do with Nazism. You can battery on and on and on about Jews all day long. You might even eventually convince people. They *still* will not want to be Nazis.

Glad we could clear that up.


Again: Nazism or national socialism is not 100% Hitlerism. George Lincoln Rockwell wrote about the significant differences, principal among them being non German-chauvinism which means no more brother wars to todays NS folk. If you think todays national socialists are all Hitlerites itching for carving out lebsraum out of Russia then it is you who is in need of an education as those who believe that everyone that displays a confederate flag is itching for reinstatement of slavery since the "Civil War was all about slavery" and therefore all those who claim pride of Southern heritage and history and like the CSA battle flag is for losers who follow a failed state and movement. So glad we're clear now.

Blogger Pteronarcyd December 31, 2016 8:22 PM  

This piece will put Vox on the Hitler-Jugend's permanent shit list.

Blogger S1AL December 31, 2016 8:31 PM  

@Grinder - We don't care about the particular stripe of Nazi you love.

No Socialists. No Pagans. We aren't leftists here.

And yeah, flying the Confederate battle flag does make you kinda look like a schmuck who can't handle the 1800's. But at least it's a freaking American flag, not a failed branch of European socialism, so it gets a pass.

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 8:37 PM  

I think it is unwise to drive wedges among anti-globalists to drive off white nationalists in order to gain the support of a few more blue-pill not yet awake zombies. They are not a reliable power base. I think it is better to use extreme tactics to lead to more awakened whites who will be angrier and more committed to toppling the status quo that has led our nations to ruin. The strategy we should follow is the same as the extremist jihadis - to raise the temperature rapidly to trigger an all out war for supremacy over our territory. They believe that Allah is on their side and therefore they will win and they want to radicalize the moderate muslims among us who are happy merely being highly fecund peaceful citizens and consumers into jihadis to get the war started. I feel that the war should start ASAP because our people are not as fertile and any delay makes our eventual war struggle that much harder. We can win if we just start to fight because we are tougher than their 'allah' is. By triggering more turbulence among the populations of our countries we will see more events of steadily increasing severity until the dam holding back Reconquesta 2.0 is finally broken. My reasoning is for a different strategy than to just wait and see what those rascally muslims do next and then just bitch about it and our governments inaction.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 8:37 PM  

The last time you gave me that response was shortly after you had interviewed some nasty globalist woman and the online feedback from the ilk was that you let her off easy when they thought you should have hammered her with masterful rhetoric. I asked you what was the strategy you were following? I think the ilk was right that you should have reduced that wretched woman to tears when she was sorely asking for it but your answer was basically that everyone who couldn't see why you didn't was merely stupid. I don't see what you gained now months later and don't feel like giving you the benefit of the doubt again when you make such a bold and ridiculous assertion without backing it up.

I don't often explain my strategy in public. And certainly not to those who are neither my friend nor my ally. I won't explain anything to you I don't intend to explain to everyone. You are not with me.

For as smart as you clearly are you still have things to learn. I was vocally against libertarianism on your own site back when you were an enthusiastic libertarianism booster and you came around to my nationalism not me to yours.

Everyone always has things to learn. I don't believe we stop learning even after we die. And you are not speaking the truth. I never came around to your nationalism. I have always been a nationalist, nationalism and abortion are why I never joined the Libertarian Party. I still believe in libertarian ideals, I simply regard them as utopian, and at present, irrelevant.

Nazism or national socialism is not 100% Hitlerism

We don't give a shit. We totally reject Hitler, Nazism, National Socialism, and Socialism. Nazism is literally an ideology for losers. White Nationalists should totally reject it.

Hitler was a strategic moron. He was little more than a charismatic gambler who hit on a few bluffs before the odds caught up with his terrible decisions.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 8:42 PM  

I think it is unwise to drive wedges among anti-globalists to drive off white nationalists in order to gain the support of a few more blue-pill not yet awake zombies. They are not a reliable power base. I think it is better to use extreme tactics to lead to more awakened whites who will be angrier and more committed to toppling the status quo that has led our nations to ruin.

We don't care what you think. They're the ones attacking me and my friends. So, I want nothing to do with them. I'll ignore them until they make it impossible, and then I'll treat them like SJWs, feminists, and every other self-appointed enemy.

It's up to them. I'm still content to leave them alone. But they've ensured that they'll get no help from me.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 8:44 PM  

This piece will put Vox on the Hitler-Jugend's permanent shit list.

I'm pretty sure I was always there with a few of them. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm still willing to leave them alone. We'll have to wait and see how much like SJWs they truly are.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 31, 2016 8:50 PM  

Again: Nazism or national socialism is not 100% Hitlerism.

Congrats, you've already put to sleep everyone who didn't run away at the first word.

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 8:53 PM  

@S1AL From your repeated Hollyweird lie punctuated by Yiddish expressions I am almost persuaded about those damn pagan Nazis.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 31, 2016 8:53 PM  

l' Américain wrote:And the "Alt-West" better brand themselves really well, because we are going to turn you into nazis as we become the loudest motherfuckers on the block.
Crud, that would suck. The last time a country went full-GTKRWN Nazi, they let the worst of the (((crooks))) get away and gassed a bunch of doctors.

lvl6263 wrote:If everyone goosestepped to work next week, the media Jews would get a bit stirred up, but after a week they could do a head count, no 6 million missing, then we would all laugh and (((they))) would say “you guys are alright”, no Shoah here, and board the next plane for Israel.
Did you miss the post two days ago about the Member of Knesset who thought 6 million Jews died in the Spanish Inquisition? (((They)))'ll inflate (no pun intended) the body count from that stunt into a full-blown genocide in no time. (Heck, if I didn't know better, that would have made me suspicious about the Holocaust.)

RA wrote:those who don't consider the optics are proverbially taking a knife to a gunfight.
Oh, is that it? They're stabbing us because they just can't reach the enemy? Here, get up front and hold these pigstickers for us instead!

Grinder wrote:Again: Nazism or national socialism is not 100% Hitlerism.
So? Veganism isn't the (only) problem we have with National (((Socialism))).

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents December 31, 2016 9:05 PM  

Again: Nazism or national socialism is not 100% Hitlerism.


Again: Nobody cares what you call your brand of spergy LARPing. It's still poop and nobody wants to touch it.

Blogger Lazarus December 31, 2016 9:05 PM  

Grinder wrote:@105 The extremists who openly vow the establishment of Sharia Law on the west have not derailed Islams advance across white nations nor have the numerous violent atrocities in Islams name.

Yah, but if you have not noticed, they are swimming downstream. The Globalist agenda wants to include them, and even favors their type of religion as a compatible way to mollify the masses. Islamists are fatalists. They do not even try to aim properly when they shoot. They figure its Allah's will if the bullets get there or not.

Blogger Jamie-R December 31, 2016 9:09 PM  

They're just like jihadis, they look for a trigger to fight. It's inherently dictatoral that everyone must become like them, and that's a childish approach, but also concerning. As I've said, if they want to blame Jews there's plenty of influential ones like Soros, but then you have....THE ENTIRE NATION OF THE FUCKING FRENCH WHICH RUINED EUROPE. I mean which Jew was kidnapping Popes & trying to make everyone as shittily Post-Christian Post-Renaissance as them? That was a Frenchman. Even the Russians wanted their brand of Europe dead, which has now risen from the ashes again.

Anonymous Grinder December 31, 2016 9:12 PM  

So? Veganism isn't the (only) problem we have with National (((Socialism))).

How many years did it take from the (((stab in the back))) and the end of WWI did it take before Germans regained their own country and removed all commuists? The NSDAP did it in under 15. How long will it take for American and European nationaists to put them on the path to improving the security of the whites to exist in white nations in demographic terms? I think we have had more than 15 years to recognize that our countries are not under white patriot control depending on where you mark the clear "stab in the back moment". How about 1965 immigration reform if 1913 Jekyll island is too arcane for most people to understand the significance of? How much time do you glib commenters think you have left to start seeing the demographic slide reverse or even slow down? National Socialists could have already solved these problems if not for how much resistence they faced from the whites they were trying to save from (((Schlomo))).

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 31, 2016 9:18 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:
Have any of these people criticizing Cernovitch read even a synopsis of his message? He preaches boldness, self-confidence and ruthlessness. I certainly noted the difference here when Vox took the message of boldness to heart.


That seems to be a major part of the problem. Some folks seem to be elevating Cernovitch to leader of the Alt-Right (when he himself has not to my knowledge ever claimed the title) in order to fire shots at him. Just looks like a self-help guru who supported Trump's campaign to me. As I mentioned above, I have no idea if Cerno's comment about Spencer inviting the likes of The Atlantic to the NPI conference is true or if they just decided show up. Regardless, Spencer's failure was in not following the excellent advice of C.S. Lewis in the video above. The media are - always and forever - the enemy. Why would Spencer ever think they were anything else? Part of fighting them is anticipating what they will do, and they are not in the game to give folks like Spencer at free platform. They'll give Tim Wise a free platform to preach open genocide, but that's only to be expected because they've chosen sides.

Perhaps part of this is some understandable paranoia in the wake of what happened with the Tea-Party and how it was completely cucked by the Repuke establishment and its funders. Maybe they're right and its all a scam - we'll see. Wonder if Vox will be repeating old headlines from the Bush years like: "Ladies and Gentlemen, Your Conservative President!"

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir December 31, 2016 9:31 PM  

Is it extremist to wear a t-shirt in public which reads, "Being White Is A Beautiful Thing"? It may very well get one physically attacked, but is it extremist?

Blogger S1AL December 31, 2016 9:32 PM  

@Grinder - Yes, I'm an equal-opportunity cultural appropriater. I also like Chinese food.

As for "Hollyweird"... You a don't know history. I've read primary sources on the subject from several perspectives, including German. It's no coincidence that the percentage of the population of Germany identifying as non-Christian was only marginally higher than the percentage with membership in the Nazi party. Hitler's personal hate for Christianity, due to its origin in Judaism, is extremely well-documented.

But thank you for once again demonstrating just how utterly inept you are. I do enjoy being proven right.

Anonymous Sethinlabora December 31, 2016 9:44 PM  

@110 ... Some posters here ought to start their own blogs and work on building it up. See how it feels when your readership doesn't come from your choir. ...

At times safe spaces can be useful. Buckley had a point with excluding the Birch Society and Ayn Rand. Removing them, doesn't matter if you agree with it, creates a more coherent message.

Birch and Rand never recovered from getting shunned by Buckley. National Review was smarter about their business and became much more popular than Birch and Rand. The smarter Buckley observed the situation, considered what should be done, and took decisive action. He won.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 9:46 PM  

Birch and Rand never recovered from getting shunned by Buckley. National Review was smarter about their business and became much more popular than Birch and Rand. The smarter Buckley observed the situation, considered what should be done, and took decisive action. He won.

He won the battle but lost the war. Because he was fighting the wrong enemy. We're not going to make that mistake.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 31, 2016 9:55 PM  

Grinder wrote:How many years did it take from the (((stab in the back))) and the end of WWI did it take before Germans regained their own country and removed all commuists? The NSDAP did it in under 15.
Then they made a pact with the (((Soviets))) and invaded the neighbors. I guess we do have something to learn from the NSDAP after all, don't f***ing do that.

That still doesn't make (((Socialism))) a good idea, National or not.

VD wrote:He won the battle but lost the war. Because he was fighting the wrong enemy.
That depends on which side he was really on. Maybe Buckley and NR really were controlled opposition; we know there were Republicans involved in at least some of the ruling-class pedo rings, and it would explain some of their behaviour better.

Anonymous Sethinlabora December 31, 2016 10:50 PM  

@131 Michael O'Duibhir National Review, as an example, may consider something like "Being White Is A Beautiful Thing" too extreme. Or, at least extreme in the sense the phrase wouldn't get published. Publishing the phrase might result in criticism of intolerance and racism and stuff. Buckley and successors wouldn't publish it to protect themselves and their associates from this criticism (viewing this criticism as interfering with their career?).

Buckley and co may see the phrase as not really benefiting themselves, so they don't publish. This, then, is also how they may define extremism: do they get a net benefit from it? If they get a net benefit, then it is not extreme and ok to publish. If no net benefit, then do not publish. This is sort of like establishing a safe space for careerism, but also for potentially emotional benefit.

Of course, with enough focused criticism and name-calling, I guess a lot of things could be extreme.

Blogger Lazarus December 31, 2016 11:08 PM  

Michael O'Duibhir wrote:Is it extremist to wear a t-shirt in public which reads, "Being White Is A Beautiful Thing"? It may very well get one physically attacked, but is it extremist?

Not at all. It is a beautiful thing. Rock That thing.

Blogger Lazarus December 31, 2016 11:12 PM  

Here's another one:

If it ain't White, it just ain't Right

Rock THAT motherfucker.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir December 31, 2016 11:44 PM  

@136 National Review engages in marginal analysis, i.e. I don't doubt it for a second.

Blogger Happy LP9 December 31, 2016 11:48 PM  

Helpful clarifying post, awesome!

Being a meek mild obscure woman I try to link to, support and encourage great men (great ilk ladies whom I adore) - I am sorry if I or that I was silly about posting the "Alrighty Then" Jim Carey video, I just meant; !ALTrIGHTY Then! with great joy and smiles to everyone.

This post is profoundly helpful, Vox and SB and others here to GAB are vastly super intel and I am honored, SO THANKFUL that I am allowed to comment here!

It is true I am a militant extremist LP9 but the system set up against me, wrecked my family this made me whom I am - I attend daily Mass, praise the Lord over everything and I am THANKFUL to those here that pulled me aside and adjusted my attitude issues, I accept correction as an anti feminist and MRA. I am thankful for this help!

I ask the Lord to continue to promote Vox Day's Dread Ilk,VFM and I hope to never let ya all down!

Thank you all for all ya all done!

We need to celebrate and uplift our allies or I seek to do such, happily as we are genxers.

To honor the Lord, mom, dad, and move myself 4ward, I can operate on my own to lead ballet, yoga, cursive writing (it was ended in America) art therapy for the hurting and I am called to daily mass - please Lord help us, help me do the best for those I have GREAT respect for!

As I post its a great WV winter storm and I am thrilled! Thrilled! My only wish is how I wanted to buy up alot of CHouse' readings but its cool, I will earn the money to do such!

The Polverini's and I send our great joy and thankfulness to so many!!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 31, 2016 11:48 PM  

National Review won the internecine fight, and took a complete dive in the war.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 01, 2017 1:06 AM  

Again: Nazism or national socialism is not 100% Hitlerism. George Lincoln Rockwell wrote about the significant differences, principal among them being non German-chauvinism which means no more brother wars to todays NS folk.

That didn't make any more sense the second time you posted it than it did the first. Look, Nazis, swastikas, Hitler, goosesteps, roman salutes... all that is a busted brand. It's a ruined brand and you can't rehabilitate it. Anything that stinks of Nazi stinks of Nazi, and no amount of claiming it ain't Hitler is going to change that.

For fuck sakes, why should it? Why should anyone spend ten seconds listening to explanations coming from someone so stupid they willingly brand themselves as enemies of the West? Yes, enemies of the West, that's what the real historical Nazis ended up, causing massive destruction to Western Europe.

What possible benefit does modern day Nazism bring that's worth all the baggage?

Anonymous buybuydandavis January 01, 2017 1:38 AM  

VD: He simply pointed out something that I recognized was true, which recognition enabled me to stop faffing about and overthinking everything.

Care to share that nugget of wisdom? Sounds useful.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 01, 2017 2:24 AM  

What possible benefit does modern day Nazism bring that's worth all the baggage?

None except that cool fashion is cool. And we can ditch everything else but stand for your people, so.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 01, 2017 2:33 AM  

The Polverini's and I send our great joy and thankfulness to so many!!

I have no idea who they are and need no explanation, because I wish you and yours well and a Happy New Year!!

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 01, 2017 2:45 AM  

If it ain't White, it just ain't Right

Rock THAT motherfucker.


#SorryNotSorry but I think "Put white buns in white ovens" is actually the greatest slogan ever invented.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 01, 2017 3:18 AM  

OT: I just heard "Moves Like Jagger" by Maroon 5, which came out around the same time as "Tik Tok" by KE$HA.

My sister couldn't understand "kick them to the curb unless they look like Muck Jagger" and I explained some things.

One is that music is a business, and most likely his publicist paid for that product placement. The other is that she meant "unless they look [rich and famous]."

Maybe I'm just sperging and sharing this really cool thing that I know. Whatev. Happy New Year!

Blogger Koanic January 01, 2017 5:20 AM  

Why are the Alt-Nazis invading Vox Populi in the middle of winter?

Oh.

Anonymous LiterallyHitlersButler January 01, 2017 10:04 AM  

Just reading some of the comments, clear something up with me, because I'm one of those Gen-Xers still getting caught up with everyone and every YT, etc.

Is "Mike from TRS" that guy on the lampshade program, or daily shoah (either or both) who literally talks like a teenage girl, saying, "like, I like, don't like..even CARE what they, like think". Uptalk constantly too.

The shows are cool, but for all this guy's supposed Alpha-ness, which may be legit, I wish to hell he'd stop saying "like" every other word and uptalking all the time (that seems to be any guy under 35 now).

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 01, 2017 11:17 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:

That didn't make any more sense the second time you posted it than it did the first. Look, Nazis, swastikas, Hitler, goosesteps, roman salutes... all that is a busted brand. It's a ruined brand and you can't rehabilitate it. Anything that stinks of Nazi stinks of Nazi, and no amount of claiming it ain't Hitler is going to change that.

For fuck sakes, why should it? Why should anyone spend ten seconds listening to explanations coming from someone so stupid they willingly brand themselves as enemies of the West? Yes, enemies of the West, that's what the real historical Nazis ended up, causing massive destruction to Western Europe.

What possible benefit does modern day Nazism bring that's worth all the baggage?


This is one of the better and more cogent expanations of why Nazism is such a failure. At the end of the day, nobody associates the movement with George Lincoln Rockwell, who dindu nuffin, but with Hitler. If the generals had assaninated Hitler when he cut a deal with Stalin, he'd arguably be remembered as the man who made Germany great again, but that never even started to happen, did it?

Americans are largely ignorant of the number of whites slaughtered by Hitler's regime - well north of 13 million (mostly Slavs). He was even a failure at dealing with the Jews (yes the enternal enemies of the west). Most of the ones who were the most toxic escaped to the west (other white countries - which now lie in ruin). Hitler could have dealt the Bankstein-owned British Empire a very serious problem by paying Jews to move to Palestine (keep in mind that India - the Jewel in the Rotschild's Crown - was in massive agitation for independence at this time). Those Jews who refused to take the generous offer could have be deported with a one-way ticket - to Stalin's USSR if they preferred. Nazism is thus a massively worthless brand even under a white nationalist metric. Why hark to disasterous failures as a model to be emulated? If Grinder wants a successful model of something very close to National Socialism, he should hold up Israel as his model. It's even more Jewish Supremacist (redundant term) in nature than it is nationalist (there is a distictiction between supremacism and nationalism), and so comes even close to Nazism than Grinder likely realizes. It's been there considerably longer than Hitler's Third Reich. It's unlikely that Merkel would have been possible without the Hitler demon to point at.

Blogger Rez Zircon January 01, 2017 1:19 PM  

Next time you see some story about "horrific animal abuse", remember this media-staged KKK cross-burning. Nearly all such "animal abuse" incidents are similarly staged by animal rights interests (including 'humane societies'). In some cases, the AR group has been caught red-handed creating 'evidence'.

Vox: "You protect an extremist by refusing to criticize him when he does something extreme to the enemy in the interest of the cause." Thank you for clarifying this. I had not initially agreed, but as events have played out over the past year, I've come over to the dark side.

Blogger Skyler the Weird January 01, 2017 1:29 PM  

Don't be a Nazi, be a good Falangist like Franco.

Blogger RobertT January 01, 2017 3:57 PM  

Great ... "protect and cherish your extremists"

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 01, 2017 4:39 PM  

@108. "The Alt-Right is a reactionary movement..."

No.

"Reactionary" replies impulsivity and is an intentional falsehood with regard to the Alt-Right.

@114. If we here don't want to listen to Islam, why would we want to listen to you?

Honestly, we dislike both of you, but you haven't quite backstabbed us hard enough yet to get on the shit-list. Go ahead, keep trying.

@116. Here's my problem with National Socialism. Socialism is retarded. Sorry, but it really, really is. It's horrible for a nation as well, which is why even the term "national socialist" is internally contradictory, because socialism can only destroy the nation.

Perhaps it is you who ought to re-brand, assuming you aren't actually socialist. (K, sure.)


@117. Good, maybe they'll stop bothering the people here.

@119. There are a shitton of blue-pilled who are fully capable of becoming red-pilled. So far you guys have been much more an impediment to that than you have been useful in organizing/motivating people who already belong to us. You know why? It's because you use rhetoric like a club. You don't use it like a surgeon, you don't even use it like a normal semi-intelligent human being. You guys openly state that you're here to "burn it all down", but you don't realize that you've got a terrible and perpetual habit of setting yourselves and your allies on fire before you even get to the enemy.

Look, public sentiment is against you, by a very wide margin. Your acting out doesn't even work to highlight the ridiculousness of the leftists, because you're just as ridiculous, and are more than a little left yourselves. So basically you provide a marginal increase in morale to yourselves, while making ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE else on the right think "eww why can't they just shut up and work?" and everyone who is still blue-pilled think "eww, that's the Alt-Right?" If you turn them off before they even check it out, you're helping no one but our enemies.

Frankly, you're being useful idiots, and not to the Alt-Right.

@129. You don't seem to understand, here, let me lay it out for you:
A: There is no such existent thing as Communism. It's a (flawed)theoretical ideal state that has never and can never exist.
B: Socialism is the process of transformation intended to reach Communism, however because of the naive and irrational ideals and theories it follows, it...
C: Inevitably results in Fascism, Totalitarianism, and/or Dictatorship, as power is concentrated away from individuals in attempt to transition to true Communism.

What I'm saying here is that Communism as stated doesn't exist, but Socialists like to pretend it does, be it because they like to pretend that they ARE communist, or because it provides a nice rhetorical scapegoat for their own actual sins.

Long story short, Nazis are Marxist in nature, just as much as leftards/libtards/etc. if not more so.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 01, 2017 4:39 PM  

@131. It'll be called extremist, and a quite large portion (likely more than half) of the population (of the U.S.A.) will agree. Does that count? Make your own determination of what you can live with and what will be beneficial or detrimental in the long run.

To me, the correct response is to get your foot in the door, THEN (slowly) apply the jaws of life, instead of trying to apply the jaws (or really, m-80s) to the closed, flat surface of the steel door. One of these will get the door open, the other one will just convince them to install another further reinforced steel door inside the first, with a lot more locks to boot.

@143. If my armchair analysis of Vox is correct, it was something along the lines of "Stop being a pansy f****t, get off your butt and stop pussy-footing around. Find something to hate, let the butthurt flow through you and fuel you. Be a Man and act like you feel like one, be more assertive. JUST DO IT!"

Chalk all the cliche rhetorical emphasis up to my momentary prankster-artiste aesthetic.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 01, 2017 5:59 PM  

Vox and Mike sure stirred up the Larping Debate Clubs. Now that's comedy.

Anonymous patrick kelly January 01, 2017 6:07 PM  

"Koanic wrote:Why are the Alt-Nazis invading Vox Populi in the middle of winter?

Oh.
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I should have read this sooner. That's comedy, and thread winner today AFAIC.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 01, 2017 6:25 PM  

I don't understand attacking Roosh, Mike, Mile or Stefan, all good men.

Why attack them?

I Gab alot of their work and they are good men like us whom are genx whom again want a future - they are doing great things. Milo is dear, dear heart and I am ultra proud of him!!

Part of an (LP) lady anti feminist, MRA is to link to, encourage and be happy for their successes and to uplift all here in prayer and in great joy!

Also, I am sorry about posting the alrighty then Jim video, I just get really happy about 'ALT-Righty Then' type things! Anyhow, I get out of control and just get too happy at times as there is so much to rejoice about!

Blogger Happy LP9 January 01, 2017 6:25 PM  

Edit; Milo not Mile - Long day working!

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