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Wednesday, December 07, 2016

Race and religion

It's one thing for one's life to be transformed by the power of Jesus Christ. It is real. I have seen remarkable transformations of people's hearts, character, behavior, and spirit take place in the lives of friends, acquaintances, and strangers. That being said, I've yet to see Christianity do much to transform one's intellect, one's height, or one's intrinsic capacity for empathy or logic:
Black women have great faith in God, but they have a twisted understanding of His role. They do not pray for strength or courage. They pray for results: the satisfaction of immediate needs. One of my clients was a black woman who prayed in a circle with her accomplices for God’s protection from the police before they would set out to commit a robbery.

The mothers and grandmothers pray in the hallways–not for justice, but for acquittal. When I explain that the evidence that their beloved child murdered the shop keeper is overwhelming, and that he should accept the very fair plea bargain I have negotiated, they will tell me that he is going to trial and will “ride with the Lord.” They tell me they speak to God every day and He assures them that the young man will be acquitted.
Before you dismiss the observer as a hateful racist hater, consider that as a public defender of liberal persuasion, he not only spends more time than anyone reading this with low-income Africans attempting to help them, but has probably bled a considerably greater quantity of hearts-blood over their fates as well.

There was a fair amount of talk about EQ a few years ago, and there is an increasing amount of discussion of pathological altruism. What is gradually becoming apparent to me is that Western civilization not only requires a base level of intelligence, but also a base level of empathy. Any population group with an average level of either intelligence or empathy that falls below that level is not going to be able to participate in European civilization or sustain a reasonable facsimile on its own.

Christianity certainly helps support the development of empathy in an individual by providing a strong rational justification for it, but it observably does not create it ex nihilo in the human breast. I suspect it would be eucivically useful if there were standard tests for empathy as reliable as those for intelligence.

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Blogger Mr. Naron December 07, 2016 8:10 AM  

The prosperity "gospel" is a strong poison.

Blogger SteelPalm December 07, 2016 8:11 AM  

Excellent perspective.

I posted that link in the comments yesterday and think it's a fantastic read for everyone seeking to understand blacks in the US.

However, you also looked at it from Christian perspective and found another interesting element I hadn't previously noted.

Related, what do you think of missionary work in foreign lands, especially Africa? Is it intrinsically limited (if still a marginal good) because of the limited intelligence and empathy of the savage subjects?

Blogger VD December 07, 2016 8:15 AM  

Related, what do you think of missionary work in foreign lands, especially Africa? Is it intrinsically limited (if still a marginal good) because of the limited intelligence and empathy of the savage subjects?

It is intrinsically good because missionary work is about the soul, not the body. All humanity needs Jesus Christ. That being said, it is foolish to imagine that it is going to turn Africans or Asians or Arabs into Western Europeans.

Blogger 4thPointOfContact December 07, 2016 8:26 AM  

The problem is that few Christians study the word of God, and instead listen to the words of preachers, politicians, media, friends, etc. and they get deceived into thinking that God conforms to their feelings, rather then conforming their feelings to God.

Blogger CA3 December 07, 2016 8:30 AM  

And now you begin to get a perspective on why diaspora Africans resent American-Africans.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 07, 2016 8:32 AM  

But see, you don't understand what its like to murder someone when you ride with Lord Harambe. Why can't you empathize? We got dicks out and everything.

Anonymous Steve December 07, 2016 8:33 AM  

Empathy as a social survival strategy: being able to cooperate with your neighbours (and not just your immediate family) was essential to Ice Age Europeans given the razor-thin margins between survival and starvation/hypothermia/being eaten by wolves.

Rational self-interest isn't rational because people aren't rational. Emotion works better on hominids. Cavemen with great big hearts (or just big enough not to murder the tribe over the hill out of boredom) were more likely to live through the winters.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 8:34 AM  

Just one more piece of evidence that Westerners are extremely foolish to invite non-Westerners into their midst. It's like sheep inviting wolves to their pot luck dinner. We are simply not equipped to treat the wolves differently, as self-preservation demands.

Related, what do you think of missionary work in foreign lands, especially Africa?

Does this exist in a context free of mitigating Nature's boundaries? (I ask from ignorance.)

15 years ago we were told AIDS would depopulate Sub-Saharan Africa in a decade. Now the UN population department informs us that there will be 4 billion Africans before 2100. FOUR BILLION!!!!!!

And how, pray tell, will such multitudes be fed? How will their refuse and intestinal wastes be safely disposed? How will they have drinking water? How will they coexist with National Geographic's wondrous fauna?

Unless Western "do-goodism" is nakedly eugenicist (a prospect that is laughably impossible now), every wonderful new water well dug, every child protected from diarrheal disease, every marginal improvement in agriculture simply increases the scale of the Malthusian catastrophe looming in the near future.

The world's people will not allow African fecundity to wash like a tsunami over every continent.

This condition is remarkably similar to the Mt. Vesuvi-Debt piled to Everest proportions these past 35 years.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 07, 2016 8:36 AM  

I get the same sense when (usually black) pro athletes bring up faith. I don't like to judge the depth of another man's faith, especially on the basis of a few lines in an interview, but the gist is usually, "As long as I have faith in God, He will make me great and successful." And because, as pros, they have been extremely successful at every level, it's never been disproven.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 8:37 AM  

@5 And now you begin to get a perspective on why diaspora Africans resent American-Africans.

Adding to your comment, and we understand why 1st generation immigrants from the 3rd world are not nearly the problem their children and grandchildren become.

This is why so often it's "a citizen" who commits terroristic crimes, and why their parents/grandparents "don't understand."

Blogger Salt December 07, 2016 8:38 AM  

Clean-up, Courtroom 7. The lawyer was bleeding all over the floor again.

Blogger Ben Cohen December 07, 2016 8:41 AM  

Reading Missionaries is fascinating because the author nails the progressive do-gooder mindset to a tee, which is that everyone is the same but that racists like Fletcher are holding everyone back.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume December 07, 2016 8:44 AM  

That article is dead on. I work in the court system, and while not a Public Defender, I can attest to his veracity.

To the mothers and grandmothers of these vibrant youths (grandmothers are becoming more common because the mothers are too young and selfish to stick around like the "dads"), it's never a question of justice, guilt or innocence. It's a question of God setting their kid free. That's it. They know exactly what the kid is capable of doing, and they know they probably did it. But they think it's the Lord's job to deliver people from the consequences of their actions.

And when the guilty verdict comes, the wailing and pleading and screaming and fainting and 'heart problems' begin. Every. Single. Time.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 07, 2016 8:47 AM  

The world's people will not allow African fecundity to wash like a tsunami over every continent.

I think they will.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 8:48 AM  

3. VD
"All humanity needs Jesus Christ."
Why?
That's like saying everybody needs islam. Christianity represents a very difficult path for anyone that tries to undertake it. It may be very rewarding to those few that can truly follow it, but most can't. I believe indians are better off praying to their gurus, mongols going to their shaman elders and africans following their own traditions.
This also applies to europeans. Solomon Kane might be a more complex warrior, but that doesn't take anything away from Conan. RPGs would be boring as fuck if the only classes were clerics and paladins, sometimes the barbarian and the druid archetypes are more fun and just as rewarding.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 07, 2016 8:48 AM  

I'd call myself empathically bipolar. I'd fail any such test one day, and 100% it the next.

Still trying to figure out exactly where to draw the lines on what I ought empathize with, and what I ought hate, as I suppose all honest people with a degree of both empathy and intelligence are.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 07, 2016 8:50 AM  

@14. Some will, some won't.

Many will watch and learn as the ones that did die in horrific deprivation.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 8:51 AM  

Westerners have experienced a 300 year rally in social mood & living standards, which surely contributed to the current fad of believing that "the brotherhood of Man" can mitigate all of Nature's viciousness, including disease, poverty, homelessness, inter-personal violence and ignorance the world over.

It was under this ethos that Western empathy embraced what would make our ancestors laugh at us, so deluded would we seem to them. "You invited the barbarians inside your gates? How stupid are you?" they'd ask us.

First we invited them in as slaves. Then we made them citizens and offered them the right to vote. Then we committed previously unimaginable resources to elevating their lives to our unprecedented standards. When squaring this circle proved impossible, we created a cult of self-blame, elevating those who were descendants of slaves (and those who superficially resemble them) to supra-human status, legally entitled to emoluments denied the descendants of those who BUILT the F-ing Country!

All of this is demonstrably ahistorical. It embedded conditions that, when the 300 year rally in social mood (capped by the last 50 years of utter collective insanity in money, debt, economics, politics and social conditions) finally ends, will ALL have to be undone.

If history is any guide at all, it will be undone in rivers of blood and pyramids of skulls.

This perspective is not "what should be," but "what is." It's a forecast of tragedy on a scale never before recorded, created by a confluence of manic optimism and human ingenuity combined with self-delusion.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 07, 2016 8:52 AM  

Sociopaths. "Empathy" could probably be injected into the SJW lexicon as a virtue signal, thereby crossing the laser beams in the D coalition.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster December 07, 2016 8:52 AM  

"This is why so often it's "a citizen" who commits terroristic crimes, and why their parents/grandparents "don't understand.""

The problem is that first-generation immigrants move to a new country because it's better than where they left, but they bring with them the very culture that made their old country a shithole. 'Moderate' Muslims run away from the crazy Muslims who've destroyed their own country, but then they raise their kids as Muslims in their new country, and act surprised when they turn out just like the people they once fled from.

Pretty much only Western immigrants are capable of assimilating into Western nations, and, even then, it usually doesn't turn out well. I've mentioned before that most of my British friends who moved to America are now raving Clinton supporters crying about how Trump won; fortunately most of them have never become citizens, so they can easily be sent home.

Blogger Viisaus December 07, 2016 8:52 AM  

In all fairness, not just Blacks are capable of such crude religiosity. Pre-modern Europeans had their share of such attitudes as well:

If we can believe Jacob Burckhardt, some Italian hillbillies back in the Renaissance era (even as high culture was flourishing elsewhere in Italy) had ethics that remind one of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre film:

http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2074/pg2074.html

"In certain districts of Italy, where civilization had made little progress, the country people were disposed to murder any stranger who fell into their hands. This was especially the case in the more remote parts of the Kingdom of Naples, where the barbarism dated probably from the days of the Roman 'latifundia,' and when the stranger and the enemy ('hospes' and 'hostis') were in all good faith held to be one and the same. These people were far from being irreligious. A herdsman once appeared in great trouble at the confessional, avowing that, while making cheese during Lent, a few drops of milk had found their way into his mouth. The confessor, skilled in the customs of the country, discovered in the course of his examination that the penitent and his friends were in the practice of robbing and murdering travellers, but that, through the force of habit, this usage gave rise to no twinges of conscience within them. We have already mentioned to what a degree of barbarism the peasants elsewhere could sink in times of political confusion."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 07, 2016 8:53 AM  

#18 my guess is that it will come from the Left.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 07, 2016 8:54 AM  

@15. Your argument would only work if truth were subjective, or at least, entirely non-indicated.

It isn't either, at all.

Most religions are objectively horribly, horribly deficient at some time-scale or other. That a particular race has a past with a particular religion does not mean that that religion is healthy for that race, but only that it has been successful in the present conditions of that race (which it likely had a hand in creating).

Anonymous Credo_In_Unum_Deum December 07, 2016 8:56 AM  

There is a world of difference between the Africans who are smart enough and well-off enough to get the fuck out of Africa (Their leaving makes things all the worse overall in Africa), and African-Americans who have their father in their lives (Fathers count.), and African-Americans who don't have their father in their lives (The bulk of Blacks in America...).

Anonymous Bob Ramar December 07, 2016 8:57 AM  

"One of my clients was a black woman who prayed in a circle with her accomplices for God’s protection from the police before they would set out to commit a robbery."

Seems to me that they are praying to the 'wrong' god ... the 'God of this World'.

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 07, 2016 8:57 AM  

So they have faith but it is more in a God that operates like a kind of cosmic lottery. Praying to him is like buying another lotto ticket. The more you pray the more chances you have to win! It doesn't matter if you are righteous or if your cause is just.

Blogger DisplayName December 07, 2016 8:58 AM  

Black women are definitely a targeted group. They have been conditioned to see the role of "Father" to be played by their government, across the board. When they are weak, Father Government is strong. Yet black women are told that being a single mother is being an independent woman.



Continuing to remove Christ from our culture is the golden ticket to destroy Western civilization.

Blogger YIH December 07, 2016 8:59 AM  

Even Christianity devolves with Africans. What (((Hollywood))) (and cuckservatives/churchians) love as their ''vibrant'' services are simply a merger of African tribal songs/music dressed up with the trappings of church services. It's only their regular interaction with Whites (like when you see a few African homes in a neighborhood) that keeps it from devolving completely into Voodoo - which if you've seen that you'll note is African animism/witchcraft with a thin veneer of the Catholicism left over from their former French owners (much like Detroit only bears a passing resemblance to the first-world city it once was).
With African males, 90% of their ''belief'' is either a hustle (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and countless localized versions of them) or put on for the sake of Judges and/or parole bureaucrats.
What that PD noted was the African tendency to see Jesus as ''the great White witch doctor''.
BTW, RTWT, it's an excellent Amren article that will give you good lesson on Africans IN America - and why they're not compatible.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 8:59 AM  

@14 They will sit still for it only so long as the social mood mania lasts. (Yes, I'm a one-note wonder. I can only see this through a single filter. So sue me.)

I thought this mania would end 21 years ago yet here we are. I though it ended in 2000 (and in numerous measures, this still holds true), and in 2007, yet here we are at nominal new All Time Highs.

Forecasting the end of this wave has proved a fool's errand. By the time it finally does end, no one will be listening to any of the Chicken Littles whose past proved only their irrelevance.

A collapse of unprecedented scale can only occur once people are conditioned to NEVER capitulate until nothing is left but rubble.

Are we there yet?

Anonymous Millenium December 07, 2016 9:02 AM  

I always supposed it was high intelligence and high trust needed for civilization but when I think about it empathy is probably the basis for trust.

Blogger bkm ( wut is the great flaw in the Alt-R? too many chiefs, insufficient Injuns. good thing Vox Day is the Little Injun That Could pull that fine train. { Vox Gayness intensifies } ) December 07, 2016 9:03 AM  

even worse is this recurring theme:
"If you tell a black man that the evidence is very harmful to his case, he will blame you. “You ain’t workin’ fo’ me.” “It like you workin’ with da State.” Every public defender hears this. The more you try to explain the evidence to a black man, the angrier he gets. It is my firm belief many blacks are unable to discuss the evidence against them rationally because they cannot view things from the perspective of others. They simply cannot understand how the facts in the case will appear to a jury.

This inability to see things from someone else’s perspective helps explain why there are so many black criminals. They do not understand the pain they are inflicting on others. One of my robbery clients is a good example. He and two co-defendants walked into a small store run by two young women. All three men were wearing masks. They drew handguns and ordered the women into a back room. One man beat a girl with his gun. The second man stood over the second girl while the third man emptied the cash register. All of this was on video.

My client was the one who beat the girl. When he asked me, “What are our chances at trial?” I said, “Not so good.” He immediately got angry, raised his voice, and accused me of working with the prosecution. I asked him how he thought a jury would react to the video. “They don’t care,” he said. I told him the jury would probably feel deeply sympathetic towards these two women and would be angry at him because of how he treated them. I asked him whether he felt bad for the women he had beaten and terrorized. He told me what I suspected—what too many blacks say about the suffering of others: “What do I care? She ain’t me. She ain’t kin. Don’t even know her.
”"



which is why we get retards posting stupid shit like that NiggerBall player McKnight getting shot in the road rage incident the other day.

the White man didn't get killed by the cops ... not because of racism ... but because he cooperated with the police, followed their instructions and didn't threaten them in any way.

further, all evidence presented seems to indicate that it was McKnight who was raging.

IF you're going to threaten bodily harm or property damage / theft against others
THEN why on earth would you expect your victim not to defend themselves?

yet, over and over again, when see Niggers proclaiming 'racism' because ... they aren't being allowed to indulge in the thieving and violent acts without consequence?

Anonymous Michael Maier December 07, 2016 9:03 AM  

Cail Corishev December 07, 2016 8:36 AM
I get the same sense when (usually black) pro athletes bring up faith. I don't like to judge the depth of another man's faith, especially on the basis of a few lines in an interview, but the gist is usually, "As long as I have faith in God, He will make me great and successful." And because, as pros, they have been extremely successful at every level, it's never been disproven.


So when they are broke from spending their $100 million like idiots, does that then mean God doesn't exist?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 07, 2016 9:04 AM  

@29. Not yet. I'd give it another 10-20 years.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen December 07, 2016 9:06 AM  

Empathy != altruism. Western civilization requires intelligence and altruism. People are adaptation executors; the adaptation they execute must be altruistic. A population that is 2/3 dark triad is unlikely to support Western Civilization unless it is also high IQ.

Altruism can be superficially gauged from the face, and character can be extrapolated from microbehaviors, ignoring those superficial social graces which social predators learn by positive reinforcement to emulate. Actual character, of course, is long term behavior.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 07, 2016 9:06 AM  

But in the end even most people here will virtue signal their intents to save blacks from something or another, even the idiots in Alt-White will want to direct black lives.

Since I'm alt-liberty I just want my freedom from their problems and my freedom from the virtue signalers. May the virtue signalers die in a ditch, praise Kek.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 07, 2016 9:07 AM  

One of my clients was a black woman who prayed in a circle with her accomplices for God’s protection from the police before they would set out to commit a robbery.

Sounds like the logical result of teaching people that Jesus is your best friend, and never getting any more sophisticated about it than that. Your Best Friend Jesus wouldn't want you to go to jail, would He? And as Pope Frank might say, Jesus understands you and knows you're doing your best, so it'll be okay.

Couple that with being taught all your life that white people stole what they have from your people while trying to kill you with AIDS and crack, and Best Friend Jesus might tell you your robbery is justified too.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 07, 2016 9:10 AM  

So when they are broke from spending their $100 million like idiots, does that then mean God doesn't exist?

Unsurprisingly, I've never heard one interviewed at that point in his life and asked that.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 9:10 AM  

@33 I understand your position, but I think Denninger's "pond with lily pads" metaphor is actually applicable.

The Bexit/Trump-Phenomenon/etc. illustration is key; NO ONE controls the timing & nature of Narrative Change.

It is human nature to see patterns and physics-level cause-and-effect in all things, so the notion of spontaneous organization and endogenous regulation of complex systems is utterly inscrutable to us. Belief in such abstractions is actually more faith-based than rational.

Yet that is the best explanation available today.

No trend looks more likely to continue than one approaching its reversal.

Blogger bkm ( wut is the great flaw in the Alt-R? too many chiefs, insufficient Injuns. good thing Vox Day is the Little Injun That Could pull that fine train. { Vox Gayness intensifies } ) December 07, 2016 9:10 AM  

21. Viisaus December 07, 2016 8:52 AM
In all fairness, not just Blacks are capable of such crude religiosity.



no one here has ever heard of a trailer park, thank you for alleviating our ignorance.

now, if you could brush up on your math skills that'd be great.

OpenID insanitybytes2 December 07, 2016 9:12 AM  

Black women taught me how to pray, Vox. I have all the intelligence and empathy a person could ever need. What I often wonder is, why don't you? How could someone like you who had every advantage, grow and show neither?

Anonymous Anonymous December 07, 2016 9:13 AM  

Black women taught me how to pray, Vox. I have all the intelligence and empathy a person could ever need. What I often wonder is, why don't you? How could someone like you who had every advantage, grow and show neither?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 07, 2016 9:14 AM  

@34. Disagreed. Plenty of people are "altruistic" about one thing while being complete monsters on other things (or even the hidden side of the same thing).

Empathy motivates ALL altruism, and thus is more necessary.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 07, 2016 9:14 AM  

Correction, all TRUE altruism.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 07, 2016 9:14 AM  

So they have faith but it is more in a God that operates like a kind of cosmic lottery.

Pretty much. To be fair, I've known white New Agers who preach the same prosperity gospel nonsense. But I think, because they tend to be more intelligent, they have to work harder to avoid seeing the contradictions and silliness in it.

Blogger Viisaus December 07, 2016 9:14 AM  

"He told me what I suspected—what too many blacks say about the suffering of others: “What do I care? She ain’t me. She ain’t kin. Don’t even know her."

And again, in all fairness, this amoral attitude in not confined to Blacks alone. Smarter races, especially if they are heathen, can do it as well - Nietzsche glorified the ancient Greeks of being free from sickly Christian sentimentality.

In the 1980s Mickey Rourke film "The Year of The Dragon", the main Chinese villain says, comparing the views of Christian westerners and pagan Chinamen:

"To us, your Good Samaritan was just a fool who endangered himself and his own family for the sake of some stranger."

Blogger VoodooJock December 07, 2016 9:19 AM  

I have to agree with YIH here. Their Christianity isn't one designed to provide inner strength and internal fortitude to meet life's struggles and overcome one's fallen nature. It's essentially no different than animistic spiritualism where possession of a magic talisman or performing a ritual accords some sort of divine protection against bad juju.

Blogger Martin X December 07, 2016 9:20 AM  

Whites seem to be the only group that possess a level of empathy capable of overpowering their own instinctual in-group racial preferences. In the multi-cult world of the modern West, that characteristic is a distinct disadvantage. In particular it's clear that blacks have very low empathy. Their churches may be full on Sunday, but their relationship to God is similar to their relationship with whites. They demand God do something for them without a thought to how they can earn or reciprocate God's grace.

Without racism, a race won't survive. Half of whites would rather themselves and their posterity go extinct rather than embrace that reality. The other half are waking up to this reality. Nobody else is going to save us.

Blogger Student in Blue December 07, 2016 9:21 AM  

I wouldn't be surprised if Christianity, when actually implemented and not just a heretical version of it, also encourages empathy growth across generations via mating strategies.

It's hard to imagine the Angols and Saxons when they were paganistic savages being empathetic and racially altruistic. Although, I may just be historically ignorant on that part - I know of no sources that talk about direct contact with the old European savages.

Anonymous pink freud December 07, 2016 9:24 AM  

People should read the letter that the King of Congo sent to the King of Portugal as the slave trade was expanding. He basically said that the irrational greed for Western finished goods was making his people into madmen, selling their own relatives into slavery for some shiny stuff they had never needed before. The problem of course was the tech trade balance: the Africans had nothing useful to offer in exchange, so they sold other Africans. The tragedy was that the Africans had been doing just fine, on African terms. The introduction of goods which were attractive but which they had never, ever found necessary threw off their societal equilibrium.

Same thing now; do-gooders flood Africans with free stuff that they don't need and the result is the mad population explosion. When you free Third Worlders of their environmental selection pressures, they don't respond by advancing, they simply use the surplus wealth to make more Third Worlders.

Blogger Viisaus December 07, 2016 9:24 AM  

In one Dilbert cartoon, Scott Adams caricatures this attitude as Dogbert concludes: "you are not me, therefore you do not matter."

Blogger Student in Blue December 07, 2016 9:25 AM  

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Anonymous Elijah Rhodes December 07, 2016 9:25 AM  

According to Haidt, libertarians score lower on empathy/compassion and higher on rationality/logic.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 9:26 AM  

23. Benjamin Kraft
Truth, kind of is subjective. For example, in villages house dogs might be well-fed and safer but the truth is at night their bitches run off to fuck the wild dogs, who are not so well-fed and live in constant danger. There is always a trade-off.
Same goes with civilization, there is a reason why western european hooligans get beaten up by the eastern european ones. The cognitive society created by the catholicism made them more softer. And you can argue that if not for USA, Europe would be easy-peaking for Russia.(God-forbid China-Russia)

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 07, 2016 9:26 AM  

Vox wrote:There was a fair amount of talk about EQ a few years ago,
But the purpose of that talk was to proclaim the non-quantitatively-measurable EQ as important and IQ as unimportant, or even deny IQ's existence, not to pursue measurements of empathy or study its degree of importance.


dc.sunsets wrote:They will sit still for it only so long as the social mood mania lasts. (Yes, I'm a one-note wonder. I can only see this through a single filter. So sue me.)
At least yours is a relatively informative and cogent monomania. (Has anyone mentioned in the past few hours that Israel has a wall?)

Blogger Kentucky Packrat December 07, 2016 9:26 AM  

There is a simple, old-fashioned scare word that is critical here: heresy.

The prosperity message ("name it and claim it", etc.) is a heresy, and it's rampant in American Christianity. The two biggest names are Creflo Dollar and Joel Olsteen, but all kinds of churches have some version of it. I even had to leave an independent Christian church because they claimed that Christians should tithe before they pay their debts....

When heresy prevails, the Holy Spirit is constrained. The conscience has no room for correction, and your prayers are like a clanging gong.

Now, would people listen to "If they don't work, they don't eat"? Probably not, but that's no excuse. Churchianity preachers will learn the folly of their heresy the VERY hard (and hot) way.

Anonymous pink freud December 07, 2016 9:27 AM  

"I know of no sources that talk about direct contact with the old European savages."

Tacitus, for one, writing about the Germans, whom he kind of admired. And Caesar and others, writing about the Gauls.

Anonymous TLM December 07, 2016 9:27 AM  

My bet is these women also are heavy in prayer every Wed & Sat for the weekly Powerball lottery drawings.

Blogger Viisaus December 07, 2016 9:29 AM  

40 # "Plenty of people are "altruistic" about one thing while being complete monsters on other things (or even the hidden side of the same thing)."

It might be hard for us modern people to understand how paradoxical (some might say confused) the faith of medieval people could be - perhaps the crude forms of piety seen in the primitive third-world countries today can give us some notion of it. Anthropologists would call this phenomenon as "the separation of religion and morality". In such a setting, the flawless performance of sacred rites is not necessarily connected to the way you treat you fellow humans.

The notorious Tsar Ivan IV "the Terrible" of Russia was a classic example of such mentality. Scrupulously attended to the rites of the Orthodox church, spoke and wrote religiously like a church father, but often (although not always) behaved like some Dark Ages savage or a crazed pagan despot like Nero:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPiXxnxEzi4

Blogger Bobo #117 December 07, 2016 9:31 AM  

@insanitybyteshimself2

NABWALT

Anonymous Beau December 07, 2016 9:38 AM  

"All humanity needs Jesus Christ."
Why?


Because all have sinned and fallen short - and the sinners wage is death. The final destination of sinners is the lake of fire - eternal anguish. But God provided a remedy to prevent people from perishing, Jesus Christ. Some received him but many rejected him. To the scoffers he said, "If you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." At the inauguration of his public ministry Jesus spoke out, "Repent and believe the good news."

You do not believe. Unless you repent, you will die in your sins.

Forget about the church bake sale, the basketball league, the robes, bells, smells, acts of social justice, recycling, and global warming. Unless you believe Jesus is the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, and call upon him to save you from your sins - public and secret - as he said, "You will die in your sins." That's why.

It doesn't matter what you believe. It only matters if you believe Jesus. You don't.

Blogger Philip Christensen December 07, 2016 9:38 AM  

This is so sad on so many levels. That being said, Western Civilization can take only so many hits.
http://manningthewall.com

Blogger Nate December 07, 2016 9:44 AM  

"Doesn't everyone deserve an eleventh chance"

lulz.

That's a damn good piece.

Blogger JDC December 07, 2016 9:45 AM  

Still trying to figure out exactly where to draw the lines on what I ought empathize with, and what I ought hate, as I suppose all honest people with a degree of both empathy and intelligence are.

We bear each others burdens, enter into the joy and sorrow of others...then, as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. That last bit (Romans 12:18) implies that peace will not always be a possibility. SJWs are currently making peace a virtual impossibility.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 9:47 AM  

The only black I ever defended, and this from a fair number, who was quite that much of an idiot sociopath was 11 years old. He, too, was being raised by grandparents - yes, two of them, long term married and of a proper age to be grandparents, as well as being decent folks in general - since both the brat's (unmarried) parents were in prison. In general, though, blacks in this area - I cannot vouch for Roanoke - were better educated and considerably more rational, to include the criminals, than he describes. I suspect he's practicing very much in the inner part of a major city. In other words, Liberalism-Central, with all the ruination that implies.

Ruination? Yes, ordinarily, I find it defensible to blame liberalism for nearly everything that's wrong with the world. In the case of inner city blacks, though, it's gone past liberal culture and outlooks all the way to dysgenics. IOW, after 4 generations, or maybe 5, of the liberal state selectively breeding for idiocy and sociopathy by paying idiotic sociopathic women to breed idiot sociopathic children in the largest possible numbers, no cultural or political fix will work.

Executing all common law felons would be a good first step, but leaves us with the same problem - shortage of available black men - which has, along with the welfare state that encourages extramarital breeding, fed the problem for the last century or so. Perhaps if we tested for superior Ibos, Ibibios, Zulus, and Ethiopeans, imported enough - Christians only need apply - to make up the shortfall, and gave them three generations' worth of carte blanche to inflict serious corporal punishment on wives and children, we could both culturally and genetically restore American blacks and their families to what they were before liberalism targeted them for exploitation.

Anonymous pink freud December 07, 2016 9:47 AM  

Spencer and Cernovich simply work in different modes and methods. I think it's unfair to say MC had a meltdown. I think he observed something he felt was counterproductive, and was a little vigorous in his criticism.

But I will agree Spencer is a very good public speaker. Radix I'm not so crazy about.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 07, 2016 9:51 AM  

One time I was invited to a church in Asia that had been essentially overtaken by African blacks working in the local area. The experience was awful: it was nothing but feelgood songs acted out in a juju frenzy, endless paens to Jeezus thanking Him for imminent gibsmedat, and a 10 minute excuse for a sermon by the local Asian preacher who by this time had allowed his normal Oriental obliviousness to be thoroughly overcome by stinky black mindlessness.

Whatever that church started out to be, it will never recover.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 07, 2016 9:54 AM  

“What is gradually becoming apparent to me is that Western civilization not only requires a base level of intelligence, but also a base level of empathy.”

Are you talking about the need for empathy outside of one's immediate family, e.g. empathy for victims? That doesn't require more empathy, it requires that empathy be tempered with reason so as to direct it to those who actually deserve it. Regardless, whatever you are proposing WRT more empathy requires elaboration and/or justification... we need less mindless empathy and more tough love.

Blogger Student in Blue December 07, 2016 9:55 AM  

@pink freud
LBF is a blowhard with an illogical hardon for his pet theories and you guys are wildly offtopic.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 07, 2016 10:01 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:IOW, after 4 generations, or maybe 5, of the liberal state selectively breeding for idiocy and sociopathy by paying idiotic sociopathic women to breed idiot sociopathic children in the largest possible numbers, no cultural or political fix will work.


Yep. I've puzzled on this much, and I can't see any way to break that vicious cycle. Other than with a very nasty solution (of which you've mentioned many times) that will only come in a very nasty world.

Unfortunately it looks like we either permanently imprison a whole lot of black males - for life. Or that other thing. Oh joy. Thanks to the Welfare Society.

Blogger VD December 07, 2016 10:02 AM  

You're spammed for lying, Laguna Beach Fogey. Do it again and you'll be banned.

I've spoken to both Mike and Richard. Your characterization of Cernovich and his reaction to the NPI event is absolutely and entirely false.

Neither Mike nor Richard is jealous of the other.

Blogger VD December 07, 2016 10:02 AM  

"All humanity needs Jesus Christ."
Why?


What Beau said.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 10:10 AM  

Note, Duke, that I think all common law felons, without regard to race, creed, color, or national origin, need to be put to death, preferably on a sliding scale or shitty death in accordance with the crime.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy December 07, 2016 10:10 AM  

Been a lawyer a while. Meet one businessman who told me Jesus has blessed him and he is living by his spirit, and that turned out to be true.

Dealt with one Black pastor who I think believed in a god and cared about his flock.

Every other time it wasn't true. If Christ is mentioned it is a strong signal to keep one hand on your wallet and walk away from the deal.

Blogger Escoffier December 07, 2016 10:11 AM  

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Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 10:14 AM  

Unfortunately it looks like we either permanently imprison a whole lot of black males - for life.

Does life ultimately imitate art?

The only alternative to an Amazon River-sized flow of blood (eventually) is permanent exile, family and all, for everyone who insists on living a life immiscible with Western values.

No, here at (what I have to think is) the apogee of the Universalism Fad, such a program is simply unthinkable.

No less unthinkable than was what we endure today from the perspective of our great-great-grandparents.

It is a massive mistake to think that the future will only include what we can imagine today. Sadly, just as the last 300 years largely yielded surprises to the upside, the next century seems certain to surprise on the downside.

Blogger Escoffier December 07, 2016 10:14 AM  

All we're talking about here is Churchianity. This is false religion, false Christianity expressed through low IQ. That's it. I have met actual African Christians who had without doubt been changed by God. I doubt they're IQs were much changed but they were filled with God's Holy Spirit and that's most definitely not nothing. But the bottom line is that this is simply Churchianity expressed through low IQ and no more. It's just more obvious and more ridiculous the lower the IQ level.

Blogger Escoffier December 07, 2016 10:17 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:
No, here at (what I have to think is) the apogee of the Universalism Fad, such a program is simply unthinkable.


I'm pretty sure one of the functions of the alt right is to think the unthinkable. As a logical person when I actually looked at the situation with Blacks in America it took me a couple of weeks to see that the only possible solution was repatriation back to Africa. I highly doubt I'm the only One.

It seems more likely to me that while it may be currently unsayable it is most definitely not unthinkable.

Blogger Alexamenos December 07, 2016 10:17 AM  

"They pray for results: the satisfaction of immediate needs."

High time preference even in prayer.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 10:20 AM  

@70, TK, that's crazy talk.

You'd condemn children who, through no fault of their own racked up a half-dozen felony arrests for violent crimes, when just a little understanding and TLC could turn some of them into future engineers, doctors, musical celebrities or athletes.

/sarc off/ Ditto. Tigers don't change their stripes. Capital Punishment is best administered, Trayvon Martin style, at the point of sale. Attack innocent people, get deleted.

Blogger praetorian December 07, 2016 10:25 AM  

Whites seem to be the only group that possess a level of empathy capable of overpowering their own instinctual in-group racial preferences. In the multi-cult world of the modern West, that characteristic is a distinct disadvantage.

(((yup)))

Their churches may be full on Sunday, but their relationship to God is similar to their relationship with whites. They demand God do something for them without a thought to how they can earn or reciprocate God's grace.

I watched a very nice black man struggle with this when his elderly mom died. He was quite passionate, but his faith was highly functional: he prayed, his mom died anyway, he left the church.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 10:27 AM  

And, interestingly enough, regular people on the street, when being victimized by criminals, are much, MUCH less likely to make a bad call and shoot an innocent person than a cop is.

The downside of that, though, is that we don't get to hang (for certain values of "hang") the bastards outside the elementary and middle schools for the aedification of the kiddies.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 10:30 AM  

@75 The alt-right is a symptom that the long trend has likely reached apogee.

A rose by any other name.... "No army can resist a[ change in Narrative trend] whose time has come."

Call it alt-right or call it flower-power, the sentiment is growing because its time has come. It will channel the energies of change, and it will spontaneously attract power as people's minds spontaneously change and seek like-minded camaraderie (also known as confirmation bias.)

What I find most astonishing is that this process so shocks leftists. Do they think the past was always like the now, and that the future will be so too? Talk about living the present-minded lives of small children. The "end of history" is perhaps the funniest screed ever penned.

Blogger Wishing Star December 07, 2016 10:32 AM  

The people in the article behave as immature believers. Being negligible in study of scripture can also lead to some evil places.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 10:36 AM  

The downside of that, though, is that we don't get to hang (for certain values of "hang") the bastards outside the elementary and middle schools for the aedification of the kiddies.

Good point. Gottfredson's chart detailing how people across the spectrum of IQ learn reminds us that those most likely to commit violent crimes require VERY EXPLICIT (if not "hands on") instruction in order to learn. My imagination gets pretty visceral when visualizing such lessons. After all, someone has to clean up after the impaling.

Blogger Doc Rampage December 07, 2016 10:37 AM  

God does not value human intelligence:

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 "Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain."

So there is no reason to expect that salvation would increase someone's intelligence. But God very much values empathy:

Mathew 22:37-40 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Can God give someone empathy? Well, salvation is not just a changing of sides, it is a miracle:

2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

And if you believe in miracles, you should not have trouble believing in a profound change of character associated with salvation.

Furthermore, as someone who has run into some very white SJWs, I can assure you that these creatures are completely lacking in empathy. The only time they ever call for compassion is for a group that is politically useful to them.

I propose that the available facts can be better explained by the huge numbers of blacks and SJWs being raised without a father by a mother who never shows any concern for anyone except herself and her kids.

Blogger darrenl December 07, 2016 10:38 AM  

Aamzing how some view prayer. Regardless of your race, you're mistaken if you think God is your personal cosmic bubble gum machine.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 10:38 AM  

"Do they think the past was always like the now, and that the future will be so too?"

They do; they really do.

There was an idiotic young (Lord, forgive us our redundancies) law student on spacebabies who insisted that I couldn't possibly have done an extra year of course work in my last two years of law school (I did) because there was an ABA rule against it. Although he had to have had courses on Public Law and had to have been exposed to changes in laws, he still somehow thought that a 1996 rule would have applied to me, even though I graduated in 1995. To paraphrase: What is now always had to have been and always would be.

This is also something Thucydides missed, that not only do words have to change meanings to bring about real societal collapse, but people also have to lose track of time.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner December 07, 2016 10:39 AM  

They do not pray for strength or courage. They pray for results: the satisfaction of immediate needs

Is it rice bowl Jesus or please don't let Shitivious be the baby daddy Jesus?

public defender of liberal persuasion, he not only spends more time than anyone reading this with low-income Africans attempting to help them

I was a liberal equals cultist before I worked in inner city hospitals for years.

empathy in an individual by providing a strong rational justification for it, but it observably does not create it ex nihilo in the human breast

If women actually had empathy single moms would apologize to me for what they do to my taxes.

Does this exist in a context free of mitigating Nature's boundaries? (I ask from ignorance.)

Every time you hear a missionary story it goes: I turned their shithouse into a water supply, taught one man to quarry stone, taught another to do this, another to do that, as I danced around in a 10gallon hat. I built a church by hand,but I couldn't teach them how to do bat boxes so I did it myself to lessen mosquito vector diseases. ect.

Blogger Mocheirge December 07, 2016 10:39 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Perhaps if we tested for superior Ibos, Ibibios, Zulus, and Ethiopeans, imported enough - Christians only need apply - to make up the shortfall, and gave them three generations' worth of carte blanche to inflict serious corporal punishment on wives and children, we could both culturally and genetically restore American blacks and their families to what they were before liberalism targeted them for exploitation.

Kratman's compassion is as wide and deep as the I-95 crucifixion corridor! (ok, my attempt at humor is done)

It's frustrating that so many years of dysgenic breeding really cannot be undone without either very aggressive eugenic strategies or innocents' blood in the streets, and our "compassionate" society recoils in horror at the kinder of the two options.

Blogger Lobo Util December 07, 2016 10:39 AM  

I have seen the Gift of the Holy Ghost make a marked improvement in the ability of people to remember and process information, particularly religious information. Their long time friends have also commented on the change.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 10:41 AM  

"After all, someone has to clean up after the impaling."

Impaling would be for rape only. Probably we'd want to restrict that to the high schools where, presumably, the kids already have some close idea to what sex and/or rape involves.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 10:44 AM  

"Kratman's compassion is as wide and deep as the I-95 crucifixion corridor!"

I try, as a matter of religious duty, not to let my compassion interfere with my objectivity.

Blogger Lobo Util December 07, 2016 10:48 AM  

89.  Tom Kratman

As I watched my sister's life deteriorate into drugs, sex, and self destructive behavior for 10 years after being raped by a Nigerian diplomat's son at college decades ago. I am almost persuaded by the impalement option.

No. Well, maybe. At this point I will just choose to forgive because there are no other options.

Blogger tz December 07, 2016 10:49 AM  

In the 1950's it was not so. Few unwed mothers, less crime, schooling.
Integration was considered possible because the skew was less.
But then around 1970 the race card could be used to get cash and out of jail. Blacks became dumbed down and feral. They were paid by Ceasar to deny Christ no matter how they kiss him. We have to deal with the 2016 dyscivic inner city model, not the 1955 blue-collar stable family model. That is what we have. And it will take three generations to change if anyone wants to do it.

There's the rub. All the "created equal" fans can screech it, but you have 4th generation out-of wedlock births with no real Father.

You also have a number of Surbanite oreos who have stable families, discipline their kids, etc. I was in Detroit and its suburbs where it is visible.

It would be both draconian and necessary to force the latter model onto inner city blacks. Most "created equal" don't have the will or fortitude. Especially Christians - they will pay a high price for letting this false christ drag so many people into hell.

Because Churchians were unwilling to use a little chemo in the past, now the racial cancer is likely fatal, no matter how much virtue signalling goes on.

That is Trump - ugly, but the only way to fix things. That is the alt-right - the only way to fix the black community is deportation or brutally holding them to Christendom's content of character standards starting with babies raised in traditional 2 parent families. There is no third option.

Blogger l' Américain December 07, 2016 10:49 AM  

Vox, I know you may want to be more diverse in your topics, but every-time you write a post of Christianity, I read it several times.

Blogger Flyover Pilgrim December 07, 2016 10:50 AM  

There's a reason the foot-stomping, hand-waving, mad shouting and jumping "worship" of the black communities are the only acceptable expression of Christianity in the American media.

Blogger Republican Mother December 07, 2016 10:51 AM  

His yoke is easy and His burden is light. (Matt 11:30) If not, you're doing it wrong. It's about being born with a Spirit God can commune with, not rule-keeping.

Blogger tz December 07, 2016 10:55 AM  

Having a baby out of wedlock is abuse - the article says most of the suspects were raised by their grandmother. Not paying child support is also a crime.

We are already rounding them up and puttimg them into camps - called prisons. And if we were about justice and desert there would be many more. That usually happens if they commit crimes in the suburbs.

This is an internal deportation. We already are doing it and denying what it is because we neither wish to have a feral group in our midst, nor truly deport it back to the wild.

So we pretend the prisons aren't concentration camps or apartheid because there are a few whites there too.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda December 07, 2016 10:57 AM  

"Black women have great faith in God, but they have a twisted understanding of His role. They do not pray for strength or courage. They pray for results: the satisfaction of immediate needs. One of my clients was a black woman who prayed in a circle with her accomplices for God’s protection from the police before they would set out to commit a robbery.

The mothers and grandmothers pray in the hallways–not for justice, but for acquittal."

The only problem with the premise that race is the cause of this sort idiocy is my observation of white women "ministers" blasphemously invoking the Almighty to protect abortion clinics and bless their lesbian "weddings". Sex has a component here as well.



Blogger Zundfolge December 07, 2016 10:58 AM  

The positive impacts of Christianity on the mind and heart are the first thing that the welfare state undermines.

So are black women genetically predisposed to this selfish and materialistic Churchianity? Or are they programmed by free resources and dependency?

Anonymous Gin December 07, 2016 11:08 AM  

Hey all,
I'm new here and enjoy Vox's posts about Christianity, so was wondering if anyone could point me towards any Christian books, websites, podcasts, video series, etc that this community would recommend (other than the Bible, obviously).

I'm a born-again Christian who grew up in DC, and used to live close to Comet Pizza. Story didn't shock me in the slightest, but not so much because of Comet itself, but the general vibe and types of people within DC. The culture of that city only exists because of its inhabitants need to perpetuate a lie in order for them to exist.

Nothing would make me happier than to see an Alt-Right cultural infiltration of DC. I bet because of Trump a lot of the Obamabots who jave FLOODED the city since '08 will leave, and then maybe there will be an opportunity. Right now, the massive expense of living there is prohibitive.

Anonymous the management December 07, 2016 11:18 AM  

Tom Kratman wrote:This is also something Thucydides missed, that not only do words have to change meanings to bring about real societal collapse, but people also have to lose track of time.

I believe this is the end result of people being cut off from their own history and tradition. Witness the naming conventions of the last thirty years - people who name their children with made up words and syllables, names of the opposite sex, cartoon characters, industrial objects, whatever, are people who have disconnected from history and tradition.

Without the long term timeline for perspective, it's hard to manage the shorter term.

Anonymous Rum Raisin December 07, 2016 11:19 AM  

One of my relatives is black and claims to be Christian. However, she not only frequently and blasphemously places herself above Jesus, she has very little empathy for anyone who is not herself or someone of immediate interest to her. We in the family have known for a long time that she has narcissistic personality disorder. Turns out NPD is much more prevalent in blacks than in whites. Maybe that helps explain some of this low-EQ behavior with blacks.

Anonymous Bob Just December 07, 2016 11:19 AM  

@88 I don't know if this is how Vox intended

" I've yet to see Christianity do much to transform one's intellect, one's height, or one's intrinsic capacity for empathy or logic"

to be interpreted:


The increase we perceive may actually be a reduction in inhibition (same thing in biochemistry): X+y= 3 and X-y=7 - so with Y being a negative actor, removing it actually, yields an increase

So, the intrinsic capacity might not have changed but there might be a more efficient signal (information, etc) transduction.

I would think that in game-design that many-times Vox has encountered something similar in consulting, where a product is improved by removing/replacing "bad code"/information not necessarily by adding good code but by altering the good code/bad code ratio.

@Vox - You may want to re-peruse the possibility of "magic dirt theory" or maybe a "toxic dirt theory" at least for use in your fiction writing.

For example, the presence of manganese and other minerals do seem to affect children's behavior and results on intelligence tests.

Certain plants (and have different growth zones) accumulate the minerals/metals better than others and these minerals could then affect epigenetic gene expression.

An interesting little tidbit -you know the Bible verse on "sins of the father" being passed on for generations? Well an experiment in mice, where the male was given a drug (maybe cocaine) and then the epigenetic markers of the offspring were analyzed showed a multigenerational effect.

Blogger James Dixon December 07, 2016 11:23 AM  

> Why?

Was Christ resurrected or not? If he was, then what he said was true and he is the only way to eternal life. Do all men need/want eternal life?

> Christianity represents a very difficult path for anyone that tries to undertake it. It may be very rewarding to those few that can truly follow it, but most can't.

Your understanding of the nature of Christianity is faulty. None of us are actually capable of following it. That's why Christ's death and resurrection was necessary.

Anonymous fop December 07, 2016 11:25 AM  

This appeal to empathy comes off as a red herring. Tribal identity is the strong force in play here. The weak force of empathy is like so much fluff in the winds of tribal allegiances.

Anonymous VFM #1305 December 07, 2016 11:27 AM  

"Christianity certainly helps support the development of empathy in an individual by providing a strong rational justification for it, but it observably does not create it ex nihilo in the human breast."

That's very black pill. I agree that with current Churchianity, sure, empathy can never be created because it must come from mortification, repentance, from a harsh understanding that God abhors sin and that one must, not should, MUST honestly fight for his own salvation with fear and trembling, because honest belief in Jesus means you must actually become His servant.

Assuming empathy can ever be taught and if it can ever be inherited as a gift from the Holy Spirit, I don't see it happening if people are just singing kumbaya in Church and understanding God as a summoned genie, granter of wishes.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen December 07, 2016 11:32 AM  

> Empathy motivates ALL altruism, and thus is more necessary

Guilt and justice are motivators independent of cognitive or emotional empathy.

Anonymous Didas Kalos December 07, 2016 11:32 AM  

If a person is 'Born Again' and will plant the Word of God in their heart, feed upon it, believe it and act on it, it will change them. It will increase them in wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. The Word of God is incorruptible seed and it's harvest is always glorious. These examples of black women praying for the wrong thing is exactly what James 4:3 (1-8 context) is speaking of. Ignorance of the Word of God. If these persons are actually Born Again to begin with.
God is no respecter of persons.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 07, 2016 11:33 AM  

@85
"Do they think the past was always like the now, and that the future will be so too?"

Kratman
This is also something Thucydides missed, that not only do words have to change meanings to bring about real societal collapse, but people also have to lose track of time.



The losing-track-of-time mission is getting close to being accomplished. Anything older than Current Year gets compressed. You can find college educated people who believe that slabery ended in 1965 and Jim Crow existed until the 1990's. This has effects on their worldview and politics.

Blogger Elizabeth December 07, 2016 11:34 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@70, TK, that's crazy talk.

You'd condemn children who, through no fault of their own racked up a half-dozen felony arrests for violent crimes, when just a little understanding and TLC could turn some of them into future engineers, doctors, musical celebrities or athletes.

/sarc off/ Ditto. Tigers don't change their stripes. Capital Punishment is best administered, Trayvon Martin style, at the point of sale. Attack innocent people, get deleted.


Yes, it's called lynching.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 11:36 AM  

No, it isn't called "lynching," Elizabeth, except maybe by those undiscerning enough to see the difference between murder and self defense. Suggestion: Why don't you look up what lynching was and how it got its name?

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 07, 2016 11:40 AM  

Yes.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 11:41 AM  

@100

Not just that, no. It can also result from bias, misreporting, ignorance, or anything else that interrupts the timeline. Example: That Japanese bitch about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We answer, "Pearl Harbor, Nanking, and the Bataan Death March (motherfuckers)." They counter with, "You were trying to drive us into the industrial stone age and make us ripe for conquest." We counter, "Invasion of China. Alliance with Nazi Germany." etc. etc. All of that is basically true, but anyone can cut off the reckoning at any given point - and the points go back much further than the Marco Polo Bridge incident - and then self righteously don a cloak of fake outrages virtue.

The phenom is still very closely related to Thucydides and Corcyra because changing the time of initial offence also changes the definition of perceived right and wrong. It's just that the mechanism is a bit different.

Anonymous BGKB December 07, 2016 11:42 AM  

new water well dug, every child protected from diarrheal disease, every marginal improvement in agriculture simply increases the scale of the Malthusian catastrophe

I used to think it was just not maintaining wells that was a problem, when I asked why white people have to fly out to dig wells instead of just sending a picture book & tools for Africans to do so, but the book "Crisis Caravan" written by a former aid worker paints not only a horrible picture of charities but includes that warlords destroy wells in areas they can't control, along with controlling the charity food to keep in power, destroying food production capacity they can't control.

But they think it's the Lord's job to deliver people from the consequences of their actions

Isn't that all women, including athiests?

That's like saying everybody needs islam. Christianity

That brought to mind "everyone has AIDS" & that RENTS' Anthony Rapp will be staring as the new gay character on Star Trekky as a fungus expert. Wasn't OBrian's Asian wife a plant person? Its like they cant come up with new combos Irish/Asian engineer/plant.

white people stole what they have from your people while trying to kill you with AIDS and crack, and Best Friend Jesus might tell you

Just wait till they find out Milo is stealing there men.

blacks in this area - I cannot vouch for Roanoke - were better educated and considerably more rational, to include the criminals

So there is magic dirt around Tom Kratman's house just like Nate's. Not only that but he wants to import the smartest blacks from Africa so they can Return to the Mean.

I was invited to a church in Asia that had been essentially overtaken by African blacks working in the local area. The experience was awful

Would you like to visit an MCC church?

, he still somehow thought that a 1996 rule would have applied to me, even though I graduated in 1995

This is why they try to change illegal alien to democrat voter and moslem to muslim, so people can't connect to the past.

I bet because of Trump a lot of the Obamabots who jave FLOODED the city since '08 will leave, and then maybe there will be an opportunity.

You are going to have to hope Pizzagate gets rid of them. They have gotten used to the "amenities" like lines of cocaine on hot dogs & cheese that you can't order out in Podunktown.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 11:43 AM  

103. James Dixon
Let me put it this way. When I say christians, I don't mean the flock that is led by the pastor and I certainly don't give a fuck about people that read books related to it because they do not mean anything.
Have arrogant fucks like you ever met christian hermits, exorcists, monk miracle-workers,(these are the true christians). If you go to a shaman that doesn't make you a shaman,(if you visit the church on sundays doesn't mean SHIT). Do you fools think you are better than some hindu kissing the feet of a guru? Give me a break!

Anonymous Athor Pel December 07, 2016 11:46 AM  

" Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen December 07, 2016 11:32 AM
> Empathy motivates ALL altruism, and thus is more necessary

Guilt and justice are motivators independent of cognitive or emotional empathy.
"


Do you mean guilt the verdict or guilt the thing your conscience makes you feel? The first obviously doesn't have anything to do with empathy but the second most definitely has quite a bit to do with empathy. A feeling of guilt follows after sinning against another person. If you have no empathy for that person then you feel no guilt.

True justice is all about proportionality, an eye for an eye. True justice stops further vengance, or at least that's one of the goals. To be committed to true justice is to have enough empathy for everyone involved to see it through to the most bitter end.


____________________

One of the interesting things that stick out when reading the Old Testament is how many times the 12 tribes were told by God to treat the stranger in their midst well, to hold them to the same level of justice and to do this most especially to those strangers that feared God. As if they needed to be specifically reminded to exercise some empathy.

Anonymous URL IRL December 07, 2016 11:52 AM  

this is simply Churchianity expressed through low IQ and no more. It's just more obvious and more ridiculous the lower the IQ level.

Agree

Blogger Rabbi B December 07, 2016 11:55 AM  

@114 Bumbaro

Do you fools think you are better than some hindu kissing the feet of a guru? Give me a break!

We are not better. We are not superior. But the Biblical worldview to which many of us subscribe certainly is and undoubtedly makes us better than the poor wretches we once were.

Anonymous Avalanche December 07, 2016 11:57 AM  

@8 "How will they coexist with National Geographic's wondrous fauna?"

They won't. If you have a VERY strong stomach, go watch "Africa Adio." (Try to find the original italian version; the "American" version was first BLOCKED from being shown here (early civil rights movement wouldn't have succeeded if the truth came out!); then edited without permission to make it less horrific.

Watching the africans brutalize and torture both animals and non-africans (well, and africans too) is ...shocking to write the least!

There was / is? actually a small movement to try moving (enough to save) the large fauna of africa to the U.S. southern-midwest... (imagine! elephants in Oklahoma! Rather expect the locals will strongly resist getting lions,though. Still, better than somalis and hmong!) There is also an ACTIVE movement joking referred to as "White Flight" -- where the Aussies are FLYING white rhinos OUT of Africa to try to keep the breed alive!?

Cause, you know, environmentalism and saving species IS A WHITE THING!

Anonymous Avalanche December 07, 2016 12:00 PM  

@14 "The world's people will not allow African fecundity to wash like a tsunami over every continent.
I think they will. "

I think they HAVE!

Blogger pyrrhus December 07, 2016 12:03 PM  

@118 Africa Adio is an incredible film, I saw it in the original version before censorship. It's got great photography and is full of horrors, especially ethnic cleansing....

Anonymous TLM December 07, 2016 12:05 PM  

@99

The Purpose Driven Life
Prayer of Jabez
The Shack
Velvet Elvis
Blue Like Jazz
Jesus Calling
Your Best Life Now
Heaven is for Real
The 5 Love Languages
Any book by Joyce Young

... Just kidding.

Try Eusebius,Pilgram's Progress, & Josephus.

Anonymous Avalanche December 07, 2016 12:07 PM  

@29 "A collapse of unprecedented scale can only occur once people are conditioned to NEVER capitulate until nothing is left but rubble.
Are we there yet?"

You remind me of the literally decades-old cartoon, where two men are standing in a bombed-out wasteland, with mushroom clouds all around the horizon, and one is jubilantly crying to the other: "We WON! We preserved our way of life!"

Blogger James Dixon December 07, 2016 12:12 PM  

> Unsurprisingly, I've never heard one interviewed at that point in his life and asked that.

Ask Darryl Strawberry: http://strawberryministries.org/
Admittedly, probably the exception that proves the rule.

> Do they think the past was always like the now, and that the future will be so too?

Yes.

> Few unwed mothers, less crime, schooling.

Fewer unwed mothers, yes. But that doesn't mean the wedding occurred before the conception. :)

Blogger pyrrhus December 07, 2016 12:13 PM  

@70 "Note, Duke, that I think all common law felons, without regard to race, creed, color, or national origin, need to be put to death, preferably on a sliding scale or shitty death in accordance with the crime."

Indeed, this was the system in China for millennia. Numerous forms of capital punishment, from lesser forms to greater. It bred stability, but probably excessive conformity and obedience to authority.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 12:14 PM  

117. Rabbi B
I didn't say that it wasn't a superior teaching, all I asked was why should we spread it to every culture. Because of consumerism it is hard to impossible to spread it to your own children, but oh wait that malagasy kid ,man oh man we can't let that kid die without him hearing about Jesus.(as if that means anything)

Blogger Student in Blue December 07, 2016 12:21 PM  

@Bumbaru
Have arrogant fucks like you ever met christian hermits, exorcists, monk miracle-workers,(these are the true christians).

Those holy men still do not follow Christ perfectly. No one can. That's why James Dixon said your view of Christianity was faulty.

That is not arrogance, that is simply what the Word of God said.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 07, 2016 12:23 PM  

this is simply Churchianity expressed through low IQ and no more. It's just more obvious and more ridiculous the lower the IQ level.

Yes. Arguments within Catholic circles these days often run into the idea that to know what teachings to follow, you need to be able to interpret documents containing hundreds of pages and further hundreds of footnotes in the light of other thousands of pages of writings... I always come back to the fact that Christianity is a religion that is (and must be) workable for illiterate peasants. It worked well for Christians in the Middle Ages, but while they may not have known much beyond the basics, they did know those basics very well, and everything they knew was true.

Maybe being taught true Christianity wouldn't raise someone's testable IQ, but there is such a thing as darkness of the intellect. Sin makes you dumber. Being taught a substitute religion based on resentments and handouts can't be helping people who were struggling enough already.

Anonymous Avalanche December 07, 2016 12:25 PM  

@62 "Perhaps if we tested for superior Ibos, Ibibios, Zulus, and Ethiopeans, imported enough - Christians only need apply - to make up the shortfall, and gave them three generations' worth of carte blanche to inflict serious corporal punishment on wives and children, we could both culturally and genetically restore American blacks..."

(Whipping a stupid mule does NOT make a mule smarter or able to produce smarter offspring. Importing more -- violent -- negroes is the LAST thing we need! If you did, then add in regression to the mean?! No, no, and more no!)

On the other hand, let's try Liberia again, and this time WE keep the whip-hand! I would HAPPILY pay a pretty big tax to export all the negroes; to sterilize the idiotic sociopathic women AND their idiot sociopathic children; and set up "Liberia2" with White (or intelligent black?) foremen to control and dole out the food and money. (What a hellish job.) If you WANT food and spending money for your ciggies and iPods -- then you and your left-over offspring had better toe the line!

Whether you kill or (sterilize and) send along their idiotic sociopathic MALES... I don't care.

"Upper class" negroes would either learn how to manage themselves and their offspring under the benevolent dictatorship of the Whites who got rid of them all, or not. STILL not our problem!

(None so lacking in compassion and empathy as a furious woman, eh? It's why we shouldn't be in the military either!)

Anonymous Stickwick December 07, 2016 12:25 PM  

Bumbaru: I didn't say that it wasn't a superior teaching, all I asked was why should we spread it to every culture.

Go back and reread Beau's response to you.

Blogger WATYF December 07, 2016 12:25 PM  

The prosperity "gospel" is a strong poison.

Don't confuse this with prosperity teaching.

First off, there is no such thing as the "prosperity gospel". They preach the same gospel (i.e. salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone). They simply place an undue emphasis on material blessings in some of their teachings.

Second, the article isn't talking about prosperity teaching. It's point isn't that these people think God is simply going to "bless" them. They go much further than that. They think that God will take their side with a complete disregard for His own moral standards and the welfare of other people.

It's the difference between saying, "I want God to bless me with a big house" and "I envy that guy's big house. God, please kill him and give me his house."

WATYF

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2016 12:31 PM  

@109 Elizabeth,

Lynching? (Sorry, fell of chair laughing.)

Attacking an innocent (as in the legal principle of innocence) person in a violent manner (gun, knife, fist, foot, etc.) should result in DEATH, right there, right then, administered by the victim.

If that's your definition of lynching, what is your term for self-defense? Or are you a fair flower who believes that "just give them what they want" will suffice?
from: https://infogalactic.com/info/Wichita_Massacre
The Carrs initially scoured the house for valuables. H.G. learned of Befort's intent to propose marriage to her when the Carrs discovered the engagement ring he had hidden in a can of popcorn. After the search, the Carrs forced their hostages to strip naked, bound and detained them, and subjected them to various forms of sexual abuse, including rape and oral sex.[8] The brothers forced the men to engage in sexual acts with the women, and the women with each other. They drove the victims to ATMs to empty their bank accounts, before taking them to a snowy deserted soccer complex on the outskirts of town. There they shot the five execution-style in the backs of their heads. The Carr brothers drove Befort's truck over the bodies and left them for dead.

H.G. survived her head wound at the soccer field because her plastic barrette deflected the bullet. After the killers left, she walked naked for more than a mile in freezing weather to seek first aid and shelter at a house. Before getting medical treatment, she reported the incident and descriptions of her attackers to the couple who took her in, even before the police arrived.


Elizabeth, if you think those men should not have been shot down (or better, fed into a slow-moving wood chipper, feet first) by their victims, then you are exactly the kind of person who needs to be somewhere OTHER than the polity I call home.

Blogger Student in Blue December 07, 2016 12:33 PM  

@Bumbaru
I didn't say that it wasn't a superior teaching, all I asked was why should we spread it to every culture.

Logically speaking, if it's a superior teaching why would you not want to see it spread? What benefit is it to anyone to have an inferior teaching still around?

Morally speaking, why would you condemn others to an eternity of torment when their salvation has already been won for them?

Just because someone other than us profits does not mean we experience loss. Conversely, just because someone other than us experiences loss does not mean we profit.

And regardless of the bonuses and maluses, we are commanded to spread the Good Word.

Anonymous Avalanche December 07, 2016 12:33 PM  

@63 " I think (Cernovitch) observed something he felt was counterproductive, and was a little vigorous in his criticism."

"Vigorous"?! Did you not watch his dog-pile rant with P.J.Watson? I was (and am) completely disgusted by both of them!

Cernovitch gets to blow off the "no shooting to the right" concept whenever he loses his "composure" over something he does not even know the details of?

Turns out the "lots of Nazi salutes" was -- oh what a surprise!! -- **manipulation by The Atlantic**! WHO could have ever imagined that!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43X6eHArK2Q

It's no wonder we keep losing to the Left: the mainstream media shouts "SQUIRREL!" and the Right absolutely loses its damned mind!

At LEAST take the time to THINK "cui bono?" before buying the MSM lines (lies)!

Blogger James Dixon December 07, 2016 12:34 PM  

> so was wondering if anyone could point me towards any Christian books,

Pretty much anything by C. S. Lewis. But start with Mere Christianity.

> When I say christians, I don't mean the flock that is led by the pastor and I certainly don't give a fuck about people that read books related to it because they do not mean anything.

You are free to redefine words however you wish. And we're free to ignore you.

> Have arrogant fucks like you ever met christian hermits, exorcists, monk miracle-workers,

Except for the miracle workers, yes. Though perhaps even there.

> Do you fools think you are better than some hindu kissing the feet of a guru?

Better? No. Right? Yes.

Oh well, pearls before swine and all that.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 12:34 PM  

129. Stickwick
Dude, christianity is attacked in the West from every front and you are telling me you have the resources to go to Africa to preach the Word of God. When on the other side, Jesus will understand when you'll tell him that there were bigger fish to fry.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 07, 2016 12:37 PM  

Africans can't recognize their own reflection at 5 years old. European children have that much self-awareness at 18-24 months.

This might be due to a 70 average IQ, or it might be a more specific deficit in social cognition. The authors of the paper say it's due to culture, but they have to say that to avoid a lynch mob. The probability that it's not genetic is just about zero.

Cultural Variations in Children’s Mirror Self-Recognition (pdf)

Blogger Rabbi B December 07, 2016 12:39 PM  

@125 Bumbaru

I didn't say that it wasn't a superior teaching, all I asked was why should we spread it to every culture.

Simply because all men share a common problem regardless of culture, a problem for which we have the solution. Granted, not all men will be interested in the solution, in fact, most will not be; but that should not discourage or dissuade us from discharging our duty as ambassadors of the truth which, as we know, is the only thing that will set a man free to live as he ought.

Blogger ABN December 07, 2016 12:44 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Executing all common law felons would be a good first step, but leaves us with the same problem - shortage of available black men - which has, along with the welfare state that encourages extramarital breeding, fed the problem for the last century or so.

White and Asian civilizations have incarcerated and executed their criminal elements for millennia. One result being a slow winnowing of violent and criminal traits from the respective populations.

Blacks were plucked from the Stone Age only a few hundred years ago where those traits were beneficial to their survival in that environment.

But now, we are proscribed from applying that same civilizing force to blacks because it's somehow unfair.

Blogger Escoffier December 07, 2016 12:46 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:this is simply Churchianity expressed through low IQ and no more. It's just more obvious and more ridiculous the lower the IQ level.

Yes. Arguments within Catholic circles these days often run into the idea that to know what teachings to follow, you need to be able to interpret documents containing hundreds of pages and further hundreds of footnotes in the light of other thousands of pages of writings... I always come back to the fact that Christianity is a religion that is (and must be) workable for illiterate peasants. It worked well for Christians in the Middle Ages, but while they may not have known much beyond the basics, they did know those basics very well, and everything they knew was true.

Maybe being taught true Christianity wouldn't raise someone's testable IQ, but there is such a thing as darkness of the intellect. Sin makes you dumber. Being taught a substitute religion based on resentments and handouts can't be helping people who were struggling enough already.


What is needed besides "Christ and him crucified? But as I keep saying this simple message just doesn't provide enough opportunities for graft, ego gratification and funny hats.

Blogger Student in Blue December 07, 2016 12:53 PM  

@Avalanche
Turns out the "lots of Nazi salutes" was -- oh what a surprise!! -- **manipulation by The Atlantic**! WHO could have ever imagined that!!

Mike did. Because he pointed out that The Atlantic was bankrolling the documentary on Richard Spencer and asked "cui bono?". Yet you're trying to turn that around like it never happened, bizarrely.

Now can you stop with the off-topic posting?

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 12:54 PM  

137. Rabbi B
Christianity has already developed on the other continents. Let the native christians finish the job.

Blogger Student in Blue December 07, 2016 12:57 PM  

@ABN
White and Asian civilizations have incarcerated and executed their criminal elements for millennia. One result being a slow winnowing of violent and criminal traits from the respective populations.

Eh. It'd be more accurate to say it was a winnowing of the short-time preferences and low IQ rather than violent and criminal traits. They're very close in hand, but slightly different.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 12:57 PM  

134. James Dixon
Oh well, pearls before swine and all that.

Told you, you were arrogant.

Anonymous Stickwick December 07, 2016 12:59 PM  

Bumbaru: christianity is attacked in the West from every front and you are telling me you have the resources to go to Africa to preach the Word of God.

I said no such thing. You will find that putting words in people's mouths doesn't fly here.

Nevertheless, there are people for whom it is a calling to preach the Gospel in Africa. You asked why it should be spread to every culture, and Beau's response to you contained the answer. If Christianity is true, then the question is, why shouldn't it be spread to every culture.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 1:01 PM  

144. Stickwick
I must have misunderstood then.

Blogger Student in Blue December 07, 2016 1:01 PM  

@Bumbaru
Christianity has already developed on the other continents. Let the native christians finish the job.

You're shifting goalposts from "why do missionary work at all" to "why do missionary work right now?".

Quit being dishonest. We can see through it.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 1:07 PM  

146. Student in Blue
You're shifting goalposts from "why do missionary work at all" to "why do missionary work right now?".

"why do missionary work at all" I don' agree with that either.
"why do missionary work right now?". See 145.Bumbaru

Anonymous Beau December 07, 2016 1:09 PM  

@99 Gin

Hello sister. Here are a few recommendations

Pilgrim's Progress by Bunyan
The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis
My Heart Christ's Home by Bob Munger
That Incredible Christian by A.W. Tozer
Through Gates of Splendor by Amy Carmichael
The Treasury of David by Spurgeon

and depending on your familiarity with the Bible, a primer

30 Days to Understanding the Bible by Max Anders

Enjoy, and wishing you a merry Christmas.

Blogger pyrrhus December 07, 2016 1:11 PM  

@109 Scolding any behavior that deviates from the liberal narrative won't fly here, Elizabeth, particularly with respect to capital crimes. In China, they would harvest the organs from these felons, while still alive, before putting them down.

Anonymous Ballomar December 07, 2016 1:11 PM  

European Christianity is a European religion for Europeans to help us navigate the world. Others don't get it and never will.

Anonymous Bumbaru December 07, 2016 1:12 PM  

3. VD December 07, 2016 8:15 AM
Related, what do you think of missionary work in foreign lands, especially Africa? Is it intrinsically limited (if still a marginal good) because of the limited intelligence and empathy of the savage subjects?

It is intrinsically good because missionary work is about the soul, not the body. All humanity needs Jesus Christ. That being said, it is foolish to imagine that it is going to turn Africans or Asians or Arabs into Western Europeans.

I haven't misunderstood.

Anonymous VFM #1305 December 07, 2016 1:23 PM  

Ballomar wrote:European Christianity is a European religion for Europeans to help us navigate the world. Others don't get it and never will.

I guess that can be considered a charitable assessment of Christianity if you're an atheist. But for believers, the benefic practical consequences of Christianity comes second to its true goal: to save souls from eternal damnation. It's a metaphysical goal first. Social order is a natural consequence.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 07, 2016 1:27 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:And, interestingly enough, regular people on the street, when being victimized by criminals, are much, MUCH less likely to make a bad call and shoot an innocent person than a cop is.

The downside of that, though, is that we don't get to hang (for certain values of "hang") the bastards outside the elementary and middle schools for the aedification of the kiddies.


I prefer the neglected middle . a three strikes system. Commit x number of Y type felonies over x amount of time and you hang. If we really need to display the dead, plastinate them and run the bodies up on justice tube jumbotrons

Crimes should with a few exceptions drop off and a few should be one strike and dead with the understanding that anyone in law enforcement may not be going home that night since the guy you mean to execute may have friends and family willing to kill you, your kind and will have weapons of his own of every kind.

My guess is you probably won't have the social order to do Justicia Romana anyway as its unlikely the any kind of complex broad order will survive and most survivor will be in low trust heavily armed clans.

This complicates things as someone who regards your execution as unjust may want to retaliate

Note also as more fertile White groups are more clannish than the higher trust ones and the 2 million newer White people mostly Eastern European are inherently and genetically low trust

This means the number of full blood high trust Anglo Saxons is going to be much lower as a percentage of the population as they are either Leftists or will be dead or adapted to low trust.

Blogger S1AL December 07, 2016 1:30 PM  

"European Christianity is a European religion for Europeans to help us navigate the world. Others don't get it and never will."

Conngratulations, you've just provided a contextually correct opportunity for someone to quote Galatians. Well-done.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 1:32 PM  

No, Steve, I think the dirt here is normal. I note, however, that everywhere liberalism holds sway, they turn the environment - not dirt, _everything_ - into poison. It shouldn't be hard for you to grasp the difference.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 1:34 PM  

@153:

Ah, but see, I take commission of a common law felony as a renunciation by deed of the social contract, which renunciation serves to sever all rights. Thus, they can be killed. Given what common law felonies are (with one exception), which is to say demonstrated dangerous, and no obligation not to kill them, they should be killed.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 07, 2016 1:37 PM  

"In certain districts of Italy, where civilization had made little progress, the country people were disposed to murder any stranger who fell into their hands. This was especially the case in the more remote parts of the Kingdom of Naples, where the barbarism dated probably from the days of the Roman 'latifundia,' and when the stranger and the enemy ('hospes' and 'hostis') were in all good faith held to be one and the same. These people were far from being irreligious. A herdsman once appeared in great trouble at the confessional, avowing that, while making cheese during Lent, a few drops of milk had found their way into his mouth. The confessor, skilled in the customs of the country, discovered in the course of his examination that the penitent and his friends were in the practice of robbing and murdering travellers, but that, through the force of habit, this usage gave rise to no twinges of conscience within them. We have already mentioned to what a degree of barbarism the peasants elsewhere could sink in times of political confusion."

@21 Viisaus
Nowadays, this would also apply to many African, Latin American, and Middle Eastern Christians. Not to mention gypsies who consider themselves Christian.

What we have here, both in Mafiosi-land and among blacks, is amoral familism, where an objective crime isn't considered a crime if it's directed at someone outside of your own family. (Many think blacks are amoral racists, but I suspect they only put on an act to get gibsmedats from whitey, since they kill each other all the time.) Of course, these are mortal sins and those southern Italians and blacks participating in that sort of thing would go to hell. And part of the whole mission of the Church all along has been to try to train their flock not to act like that or to take that attitude.

Nevertheless, there are people for whom it is a calling to preach the Gospel in Africa. You asked why it should be spread to every culture, and Beau's response to you contained the answer. If Christianity is true, then the question is, why shouldn't it be spread to every culture.

@144 Stickwick
I remember reading an anecdote about some missionary whose "calling" (read: feelz) was to preach the Gospel in Africa, and she went to Uganda where the locals were puzzled, since Uganda is almost entirely Christian and they have plenty of their own local preachers.

And then there are "missionaries" who are nothing more than humanitarian workers who don't even preach their own religion. (Catholics who are still affiliated with the Vatican, for example, such as the much-vaunted Mother Teresa.)

The decadent West has far more need for evangelization than Africa does right now, and those who feel otherwise are far more Churchian and pure humanitarian than real Christian.

Anonymous Frank1961 December 07, 2016 1:38 PM  


I take particular interest in the role of the Media pushing a false narrative. They actually teach bias in Journalism School; insisting that facts be filtered to suit the narrative.

When I took a course in Journalism Ethics in 2001 the professor (Dr. Sherri Richardi, IU
School of Journalism), said that we should never report on statistics that blacks commit more crime than other ethnic groups (especially when the victim is of a different race than the perpetrator). Instead, she said, "We must strive to understand what we have done to them that makes them hate us so much."

Further, she said, that when reporting on crime we should only mention the race of suspects (or perpetrators) if they are white. She taught us "this is important to avoid perpetrating negative perceptions of minorities."

Another day in the same class, the same professor taught us, "You must understand, Christianity is a very bad thing!"

Apparently enough eyebrows went up across the room to make her backtrack a bit: "Well, I mean, white Christianity is bad but black Christianity is good," she elaborated. She explained that when she took part in civil rights protests in the '60s, "White Southerners were very rude to me. And, we all know that all southerners are Christians, so that proves that white Christians are bad people."

To the left, their narrative is more important, more
"true" than truth itself. Just like the old Soviets, they don't care what, or who, has to be sacrificed in trying to make the real world
conform to their dream.

Blogger papabear December 07, 2016 1:45 PM  

99 Gin. Check out Earthen Vessels by Gabriel Bunge; it's a beginner's guide to prayer. Are you of a Protestant background? If so, you may object to the use of icons so you can skip that part. I would encourage you to investigate apostolic Christianity; if you do, you may become more comfortable with the use of icons in prayer.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 07, 2016 1:49 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:@153:

Ah, but see, I take commission of a common law felony as a renunciation by deed of the social contract, which renunciation serves to sever all rights. Thus, they can be killed. Given what common law felonies are (with one exception), which is to say demonstrated dangerous, and no obligation not to kill them, they should be killed.


Its solid if barbaric logic but history shows this just leads to "might is right" and few good long term consequences in high order societies

. A certain amount for mercy for fuck ups has solid social benefits in that it reduces security costs both social and physical security. In many cases theft, battery and the like a flogging is more effective anyway

You system works fine for powerful tribes or to people with a strong common moral system that supports it.

You aren't guaranteed the later and in an era of guns the power ramp is quite different as well.

Also how the collapse goes down will to a high degree determine the bravery of your warriors, Too much collapse may leave your people enervated and you'll find it worthwhile to try a more peaceful approach

The last thing we need are amoral feuding systems , you hung my boy and instead of a confrontation they use subterfuge and go after your people. You may not have Christianity to slow that and as VFM #7634 noted that doesn't always work

Its heavy transaction cost and to my mind not worth it. Shooting on sight is sometimes necessary but killing later rarely is

That said the Kratman tribe lands are probably going to be a safe place to live.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 1:55 PM  

No, sorry, getting rid of those - criminals - who are the incarnation of "might makes right" in no way is an approval of the notion that might makes right. They have no rights; none of us do in nature unless we contract amongst each other for them, and they have broken that contract.

A murderer is not a fuck up.
A rapist in not a fuck up.
An arsonist is not a fuck up.
A mugger is not a fuck up.
A burglar is not a fuck up.
etc.

Rather, these are all people who have chosen to opt out of the social contract for their own gain. To treat them as if they're still in it is preposterous and a lie, both. Kill them.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 1:57 PM  

Oh, and to call state action to execute the wicked and dangerous with whom the rest of us have no contract an "amoral feudal system" is simply a complete category error.

Anonymous BGKB December 07, 2016 2:21 PM  

Kratman try not to crucify too many people after TRUMP gets in and I will let you be a celebrity guest contestant on my show after Putin and Judge Napolitano. Unless you are afraid you would lose.

Kratman This is also something Thucydides missed, that not only do words have to change meanings...also have to lose track of time

I was debating over if this was going to far, but look at the new meaning for GAY APPARAL for workplace Christmas parties. This puts all the employer paid parties to shame.

"LaForce had bought thousands of feet of red, white and blue bunting, and male models were lined up to pose in nothing but stars-and-stripes body paint. Instead, LaForce sent out a letter stating, “We envisioned an extra-cheerful celebration of Hillary Clinton’s presidency . . . we are canceling this year’s party.”
LaForce sent the money that would have been spent on the party to Planned Parenthood, Housing Works and the Stonewall Foundation.
http://pagesix.com/2016/12/06/pr-firm-cancels-holiday-party-after-trump-win/

Africans can't recognize their own reflection at 5 years old. European children have that much self-awareness at 18-24 months

Genderless ants with a lifespan of 4years can pass the test.

, that everywhere liberalism holds sway, they turn the environment - not dirt, _everything_ - into poison

Sweden managed liberalism just fine until Die Verse City. Just like Amsterdam managed drugs fine until the same.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 2:25 PM  

Not really, no; Sweden was on a path to an economic dead end anyway, unless they'd gotten rid of their liberals.

Blogger tz December 07, 2016 2:39 PM  

The true seductive evil of the left has been to pollute the law so that except for the elite - who can get away with rape and murder - everyone is a criminal.

So when discussions of punishing criminals comes up, cold blooded murder is the same as driving after one beer or failing to check box C7 on the licensing form. And how overt slander is confused with abstract "hate crimes"

The social contract is three orders of magnitude worse than the click-through iPhone agreement.

I have no problem severely punishing those who have harmed persons or property. But that is now 1% of the law and often the least enforced.

The Blacks have a point. Police don't care about (cost sink) theft and murder, but do about (revenue generating) traffic violations, utre lawn decorations, jay-walking, "contempt of cop" just to make sure they understand. The teenage baby-mamas usually involve statutory rape (and if not, it should), but I doubt it would be enforced.

The Law is now the swamp. Drain it and THEN hold people accountable for their actions against the Law that corresponds to the Natural Law, not some crazy, incoherent, irrational set of whims.


Anonymous Pennywise December 07, 2016 2:40 PM  

Missionary work in foreign lands is the work of God. It is other than intrinsically limited because God cares not of a person's IQ, but of their capacity to embrace His love for His flock. God cares not about transforming an African into a European. He cares only to transform an African into a Christian.

Religion, not race, is one's uniform.

Anonymous Dan December 07, 2016 2:40 PM  

164. Tom Kratman

50%+ of their population?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey December 07, 2016 2:41 PM  

Given Richsrd Spencer's awesome speech at Texas A&M last night, it's obvious that Cernovich's recent online meltdown in which he crazily accused Spencer of being "controlled opposition" was motivated by jealousy.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 2:49 PM  

Dan:

Probably not. There are leaders and opinion-formers who can be gotten rid of, following which many and perhaps most will return to sanity.

Anonymous Stickwick December 07, 2016 2:54 PM  

VFM #7634: I remember reading an anecdote about some missionary whose "calling" (read: feelz) was to preach the Gospel in Africa, and she went to Uganda where the locals were puzzled, since Uganda is almost entirely Christian and they have plenty of their own local preachers.

Yes, there are some dippy people who want to go to exotic places for silly and not-well-thought-out reasons, but there is such a thing as a genuine calling. Some very good friends of ours just returned from Kenya, where they had been missionaries 20 years before. Kenya is almost 90% Christian, however, there are still heathen tribes. The husband grew up around a particular tribe near the Ethiopian border that was preliterate and heathen, and he and his brother spent a lot of time creating an alphabet for the tribe's spoken language, teaching it to them, and translating the Bible into this written language. Last month they delivered to the tribe the very first copies of the New Testament ever to be written in their language, along with teaching materials so that the children could learn how to read and write. It just wasn't a high priority for native Kenyans to minister to these people, particularly since this tribe was reachable only by four days of rough driving in a Land Rover through territories plagued by tribal warfare. These friends of ours really have a heart for Africa, and they are doing tangible good there.

The decadent West has far more need for evangelization than Africa does right now, and those who feel otherwise are far more Churchian and pure humanitarian than real Christian.

Not necessarily. God calls those to where their skills and abilities are most useful. The West is indeed in desperate need of missionaries who can minister to people in a way that resonates with them. It just so happens that I am doing this work, because: a) my skills and natural abilities are in perfect alignment with the current need; b) my heart is very much in the West; and c) I have experienced a genuine call to do it. My Kenyan missionary friends are now based in the U.S. and are using their many years of experience to come alongside me in this work. Trust in God to marshall his forces where they are needed.

Blogger SirHamster December 07, 2016 2:56 PM  

Doc Rampage wrote:So there is no reason to expect that salvation would increase someone's intelligence.

On the other hand, fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Where an intelligent person may game out the possibilities and construct a decision tree to face life decisions and prosper, a less intelligent person can fear God, adopt the simple (yet hard) values from the Bible and get similar results. Intelligent means you can figure out parts of it on your own. Wisdom is practicing it. Knowing why an action is right is less important than doing the right action.

Consider this subset of the 10 commandments: Honor parents, don't murder, don't envy, don't lie, don't adulterate ...

A fool practicing those commandments is being intelligent, in great contrast to America's foolish and decadent culture. A culture that practices parental dishonor, casual murder of the unborn and the stranger, envies the rich or white, always lies, and treats adultery as freedom and love.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 07, 2016 2:58 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Oh, and to call state action to execute the wicked and dangerous with whom the rest of us have no contract an "amoral feudal system" is simply a complete category error.

Might ultimately is right in all cases and all times, as Jack Donovan notes Violence is Golden

If you are a believing Christian, its the Might of the Lord tempered by Jesus's Mercy in the end that holds sway.

That said I don't have a problem with the State engaging in executions however I'd prefer to not do this for every crime and even every felony

Regardless the social contract you are wanting comes at a cost, be sure you want to pay it.

Normally everyone seeks some equilibrium of justice to their own standards or to the standards of their culture/kin.

If the people you are killing however righteous it may be or you feel it is aren't happy with it, be sure you have enough force or enough social capital to manage the possible retaliation.

Your assumption, the US will be a strong state in a moral place run by moral laws for moral people with load of social capital is questionable .

It may well be a weak state in amoral place run by amoral people out for their own with weak if any social capital and actions that to your mind are just may not be perceived as such by others,

Human as vs. divine justice is entirely subjective and often tempering it with mercy is more valuable than swift and certain lethal justice.

I'd rather not execute a thief for example unless I have too, this just encourages him or his friends to shoot first since the end result of failures the same. Even the Shitavious types can figure this out

I suspect an amoral culture is far more likely and the US of tomorrow is going to resemble that old Bedouin proverb "my brother are against my cousin, I and my cousin are against the stranger." with various things subbing in for brother. cousin and even stranger.

There are a lot of reasons for this but the people most likely to hold these views including unconsciously like many preppers and survivalists are more likely to do well in a collapse.

So you can have a State but not one that you'd recognize and with overlapping ideas of justice and with the risk of retaliation for acts. Don't assume people won't or can't do this, after a collapse everyone is either broken or hard and the threat index goes sky high.

If somehow the collapse is avoided, you can feel free to figure out how you wish to manage the justice system at that point. Typically though societies that hang everyone end up not working well, jury nullification or judiciary officials ignoring crimes was pretty common during the years of the Bloody Code and p[eople simply going to directly killing everyone isn't unknown.

And the US has a history of amoral feuds, Hatfield vs McCoy is the famous one It went on twenty + years with granted fairly light casualties. There have been plenty more of these often much bloodier

Its nothing we need again and if it can be avoided, its best to do so.

That said some offenders and all repeat offenders need to go. Capital felonies deserve capital treatment and recidivists deserve the same.








Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 07, 2016 3:12 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:Dan:

Probably not. There are leaders and opinion-formers who can be gotten rid of, following which many and perhaps most will return to sanity.




Sweden is tiny and has few resources. It will never be super rich and the socialists system they put in probably provided a higher standard of living for most Swedes than they would have otherwise had

When it got to be too large, the Swedes dialed it back to a level they felt comfortable with. This works fine.

Immigration was and is the problem

Note too native Swedes and Whites there also have higher fertility than most nations. It may be as much as 1.9 which is higher than the US and higher than any of the more religious Eastern Bloc countries . Pretty good for a crowded, feminist secular country

Finns aren't particularly religious and highly homogeneous and match the US for TFR , it might be slightly higher than the White TFR actually

Its certainly not lower

The assumption that we can roll back to older systems, pump in some Christendom and to a higher population level and TFR is dubious

Either we get through the situation intact in which case automation alone means permanent lower demand for labor and smaller families and larger state year by year or a collapse means massive die off higher infant morality and a smaller population

If its bad enough to be pre-industrial we may only be able to support a hundred million max or if bad enough we go out like Rome

All that said the West , especially the US is grossly overcrowded and even it was basically 90% White it would still be past its social carrying capacity

Our society can only support so many, its better to accept that and move on IMO

Anonymous Punisher December 07, 2016 3:13 PM  

My black neighbor is a seventh day adventist. Nice old lady. We talked about the election at length a few months prior to it. She claims to have been ripped off by Trump University. She told me "it is prophesied that we will have a woman president next...it's written in the Bible."

You can see where I am going with this.

Blogger Jed Mask December 07, 2016 3:17 PM  

@3

"It is intrinsically good because missionary work is about the soul, not the body. All humanity needs Jesus Christ. That being said, it is foolish to imagine that it is going to turn Africans or Asians or Arabs into Western Europeans."

*LOL*. Ha, ha! You just HAVE to open the can of worms, don't you? Yeah I agree with all you've said but the last part "tacked on": like "Western Europeans" are a "standard" to critique people's character by or any ethnicity of people. Smh.

Such a self-conceited, false belief of self-centered pompous superiority being shewed forth.

It's about basing people's standard's by GOD'S WORD Vox. GOD'S EXPECTATIONS of what He desires in the Highest Level of Human Character and Development.

Smh at you, Vox. Smh...

I give you 80-90% most of the time on things. You usually have the "core" piece down minus a few miscalculations. Good deal though. Thanks for sharing. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Anonymous Avalanche December 07, 2016 3:23 PM  

"Now can you stop with the off-topic posting?"

You must've missed that I was ANSWERING pink freud's comment... Is it only off topic if you disagree with the commenter?

Anonymous Avalanche December 07, 2016 3:24 PM  

Sorry, that answer was to @140

Blogger Jed Mask December 07, 2016 3:26 PM  

@15

"Why?
That's like saying everybody needs islam. Christianity represents a very difficult path for anyone that tries to undertake it. It may be very rewarding to those few that can truly follow it, but most can't. I believe indians are better off praying to their gurus, mongols going to their shaman elders and africans following their own traditions."

... NO, Bumbaru... Vox is right when he says *ALL HUMANIY NEEDS JESUS CHRIST*.

*JESUS CHRIST* is *THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN* for eternal life in the afterlife: http://jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html

The "religions" and "traditions" of man are VAIN and MEANINGLESS.

Humanity needs acknowledge of *GOD* in the psyche to be at it's best state. No "will", "force" or "power" of man without God can do the impossible that God does.

All peoples of all nations throughout the entire world are to know, worship and obey their Creator *GOD*. It's why we were created: to *WORSHIP* and *PRAISE* the LORD.

Now folks may have problem with that out of their own "freewill" but the whole Purpose of Humanity is to worship, praise, obey and serve God. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 07, 2016 3:36 PM  

Black women have great faith in God, but they have a twisted understanding of His role. They do not pray for strength or courage. They pray for results: the satisfaction of immediate needs. One of my clients was a black woman who prayed in a circle with her accomplices for God’s protection from the police before they would set out to commit a robbery.

My old Babylon 5 tapes were recorded when I was stationed in the South. My wife was more fascinated by the 2:00 AM commercials than she was the show.

"Come see and pray with Mrs King. The religious and holy woman who can remove all kinds of bad luck." Yes, this commercial was by and for black people.

The slaves managed to hang on to more of their African culture than is generally realized.

The Christianity they wholeheartedly adopted, papered over something a bit more primal.

Blogger Fenris Wulf December 07, 2016 3:57 PM  

179 comments and no Blade Runner references? (Voight-Kampff Test)

Blogger kurt9 December 07, 2016 4:05 PM  

I suspect it would be eucivically useful if there were standard tests for empathy as reliable as those for intelligence.

Like the Voight-Kampff empathy test? A blush response or a dilation of the capillaries?

Blogger Viisaus December 07, 2016 4:06 PM  

"The only problem with the premise that race is the cause of this sort idiocy is my observation of white women "ministers" blasphemously invoking the Almighty to protect abortion clinics and bless their lesbian "weddings". Sex has a component here as well."

Yes, Rudyard Kipling (the same guy who wrote that colored savages were "half a devil and half a child") opined in his poem "The Female of the Species" that

"So it cames that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice -- which no woman understands."

Blogger Matamoros December 07, 2016 4:17 PM  

@62 imported enough - Christians only need apply - to make up the shortfall,

Why import. Export them all back to Africa and let them Make Africa Great [Again?]

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 07, 2016 4:32 PM  

I suspect it would be eucivically useful if there were standard tests for empathy as reliable as those for intelligence.

I gave this problem a starter treatment. tl;dr- You can estimate somebody's empathy by playing poker with them (cognitive empathy, eye-reading test) and asking for help with something (emotional empathy, aka altruistic impulse).

Anonymous Anonymous December 07, 2016 4:48 PM  

Interesting, I've never heard a teaching on paying debts before tithing. Only that I need to show God that I trust Him in my finances through tithing. Regardless of my situation. And that God will bless me then.


From Mariana

P.S. I'm not very knowledgeable with computers and I had some issues with signing in. Sorry about the "Anonymous" my name is Mariana.

Blogger John Wright December 07, 2016 4:53 PM  

@7
"Rational self-interest isn't rational because people aren't rational"

If what you say is so, then it is irrational of you to say so, since you too are a person. And if what you say is not, then it is irrational of me to believe you.

The medieval man had a much clearer understanding of man than these modern hairless apes. They knew man was ultimately rational and infinitely sinful, both truths moderns find it convenient to forget.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 4:57 PM  

Read _carefully_, AB. Not every crime and not even every felony. _Common_Law_Felonies_ (perhaps less sodomy but with Bernie Madoffism added), which are not just statutorily illegal but bad and dangerous in themselves, sufficient to constitute _voluntary_ renunciation of the social contract.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 4:58 PM  

Oh, and your presumptions of my assumptions are wrong.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 5:01 PM  

I believe in keeping one's contracts, Matamoros. While there may be an argument to be constructed about dumping certain blacks back in Africa, it doesn't extend to those who have kept the social contract, pay their taxes, fight and die in our wars, and obey the law. Then, too, from the African perspective, they can credibly claim that they sent us perfectly good slaves that we then turned into dregs.

Blogger The Kurgan December 07, 2016 5:14 PM  

Hush. You can't understand what VD wrote because you have no direct experience of God.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 07, 2016 5:19 PM  

I believe in keeping one's contracts, Matamoros.

Cool. But not all of us buy into that collective white-guilt thing.
Nobody in my family tree ever owned slaves. Some in my family tree put on Union blue with the publicly expressed intention of ending slabery.

When did I sign this contract? Why are white people bound by it, but not black people?

Blogger The Kurgan December 07, 2016 5:32 PM  

Napoletans are not Italians. They are North Africans.

Blogger Tom Kratman December 07, 2016 5:41 PM  

Has nothing to do with white guilt, Para. It's about keeping one's implied word to one's fellow citizens who have borne all the burdens of citizenship since allowed to / in some cases since the beginnings. There are many whites, many, o MANY of them WASPs, of whom this could not be said. Now it would, indeed, be a thing for shame and guilt if one violated one's word, implicit or explicit, but there no guilt involved in saying that an honorable man - or country - keeps his word.

By the way, wherever did you get the crackpot idea that _I_ buy into white guilt?

Blogger FrankNorman December 07, 2016 5:47 PM  

To those who claim that God does not value human intellect - I think He does. The world He created is pretty harsh on stupid people.
Remember the parables Jesus told, that not everyone was meant to understand?

Blogger Daniel December 07, 2016 7:22 PM  

Eedtern countries will
some south americans too
China japan korea hell no

Blogger Were-Puppy December 07, 2016 7:42 PM  

Fred Sanford in Court
https://youtu.be/RwxYmgbp-NU

Blogger Were-Puppy December 07, 2016 7:59 PM  

This is civilization being used against
https://youtu.be/xJ6ItVQFz_o

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 07, 2016 8:06 PM  

Has nothing to do with white guilt, Para.

Yeah, it does. The whole "social contract" thing is all about "white privilege", which is just white guilt with a different wrapper; "whiteness" is now "rayciss" thanks to "privilege".

It's about keeping one's implied word to one's fellow citizens who have borne all the burdens of citizenship since allowed to / in some cases since the beginnings.

Exactly. White people owe, black people get. That's white guilt right there. Because "privilege". I've had that beaten into my head long enough, dude. It's not just college, it's all over government and media now too.

There are many whites, many, o MANY of them WASPs, of whom this could not be said. Now it would, indeed, be a thing for shame and guilt if one violated one's word, implicit or explicit, but there no guilt involved in saying that an honorable man - or country - keeps his word.

The 19th century called, they want their fiction back. I guess you haven't been paying attention to #OnlyBlackLivesMatter lately? Didn't know that your skin defines you as rayciss no matter what you say or do? That's why it's rayciss to point out that black men aged 15 to 35 commit half the murders in the US every year.

4% of the population, 50% of the murders. But it's ok, because Social Contract says #OnlyBlackLivesMatter, dead whites are just part of the price to be paid. Reparations, understand?

By the way, wherever did you get the crackpot idea that _I_ buy into white guilt?

When you trot out the whole "social contract" bullshit you are playing the white guilt card as defined in Current Year. Sorry it's not 1965 anymore and singing KumBaYah in a circle doesn't work.

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