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Saturday, December 17, 2016

The bright side of narcissism

Anonymous Conservative reviews The Nine Laws by Ivan Throne:
I recently finished The Nine Laws by Ivan Throne of DarkTriadMan.com, the new Castalia House release. The book is basically like A Book of Five Rings, or perhaps more so, the Art of War, a little more organized and spread broadly to cover the way of approaching life in its entirety. It is also infused with Ninjutsu lessons in mindset, philosophy, and strategy which the author has acquired in his study of that art. That is all overlaid on an analysis of the Dark Triad Traits, and the specific advantages which aspects of those traits can contribute to success in endeavors, if used properly. In short, I think it is among the best mindset/strategy books out there, and I expect that there will be a lot of copies of Art of War and Five Rings throughout the world finding a bold new title sharing their space on the bookshelves of the world....

To be clear, the book is not advocating for the dark triads traits broadly. As an example, it encourages the aspects of narcissism which lead to success – the belief in self, the grand visions it produces, the fearlessly plunging into endeavors as if failure is impossible. Those are all traits of the narcissist which explain why you see so many narcissists attain high positions in life. They expect success, and plunge into ridiculous endeavors as if it is to be expected.

But not all narcissists succeed, and those who fail due to their malady fail badly. He examines why this is, and concludes correctly, in my opinion, that the reason is delusion. Narcissists, just as their malady drives them forward relentlessly, and fearlessly, also suffer from a detachment from reality which leads them to misjudge their abilities and expect success to just happen. He encourages you to develop the former traits of plunging forward fearlessly into grand visions, while maintaining a grasp of reality and an ability to see where failure may arise so you may enjoy the benefits of the narcissist’s grandiose vision, without the detriments of being unable to effectively plot courses.

Similarly, sociopaths enjoy freedom from the moral rules which constrain others. But their ignorance of them is reflex, and uncontrolled. That leads them to stumble as often as they ascend. He encourages a recognition of the fact that there are no rules, but tempers it with a recognition that ignorance of the rules may have consequences, and thus you must always be on the lookout for them.

Because the book is so deep, I cannot say how it will change your life. I’d need to post that review in a few years. But I can say there is a ton of wisdom in the book, and it is solid.
This is an important review, because AC is the foremost observer of narcissism, sociopathy, and deranged minds in general on the Internet. The Nine Laws has been a surprisingly good seller for Castalia, and should easily break the 10,000-lifetime sales mark that serves as the unofficial "successful book" line in the mainstream publishing world now that the average U.S. nonfiction book is now selling less than 250 copies per year.

It may sound counterproductive to look to deranged minds for success strategies, but the fact of the matter is that those strategies are so effective that they allow even the delusional and the brain-damaged to succeed despite themselves. Therefore, it makes sense that a healthy mind utilizing the positive aspects of those strategies while rejecting the negative ones should be able to generate even more success for itself.

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35 Comments:

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 17, 2016 8:31 AM  

Will add to my Amazon wish list. Been seein' this text and the author frequently mentioned in other quarters of the alternative media.

Blogger 1337kestrel December 17, 2016 10:17 AM  

I bought it but haven't got around to reading yet. I think his absurd writing style and life will be entertaining.

Blogger Ron December 17, 2016 10:48 AM  

AC is the foremost observer of narcissism, sociopathy, and deranged minds in general on the Internet.

Yup. I mostly ignored the other reviews, but now im gonna buy a copy.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 17, 2016 11:40 AM  

Survivor Bias always confounds the study of success & the path to achieve it.

There's no way to assess the number of people who followed a given path and failed. My suspicion is that those who achieve noteworthy (fame-producing) things almost always do so via a single-mindedness that sacrifices most, if not all other values.

If the book encourages men to be better men, all to the good.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 17, 2016 11:57 AM  

It may sound counterproductive to look to deranged minds for success strategies, but the fact of the matter is that those strategies are so effective that they allow even the delusional and the brain-damaged to succeed despite themselves.

Huh, never thought of it that way.

dc.sunsets wrote:Survivor Bias always confounds the study of success & the path to achieve it.

That's worth taking into account, but success and narcissism appear to run together with a strength similar to IQ. I think narcissism contains "necessary but not sufficient" traits for success, which at first glance is the thesis of this book.

Anonymous Jason December 17, 2016 1:01 PM  

Harnessing the good aspects of something without the negative is advice you see all over the place, but unfortunately its usually the mark of someone who hasn't understood that life is generally a "package deal".

Narcissism is really a "package deal" - if you cultivate a grandiose sense of self, you will also be cultivating delusional thinking.

You just can't have one without the other.

At best, you can cultivate narcissism "lite" - be narcissistic but not too much, so you aren't blinded by your delusions about yourself. But then, the "power" of narcissism is lessened as well.

Regarding the "power" of narcissism - maybe its precisely this "delusional" aspect of it that leads to success in some situations? Maybe to ditch the delusion is to eliminate whatever power this approach has?

In the end, its facile advice whose appeal rests on wishful thinking - oh yes, you can have all the good with none of the bad!

In reality, vices are the other side of the coin of virtues in a package deal - they are bound together.

Instead of glamorizing a nasty character trait that will make you unhappy, it would be better to realize that some narcissists succeed because a narcissist will always "show up" (success, personal self-aggrandizement, is everything to him, the whole point of his existence) - you can't win if you don't show up, and a certain proportion of those who show up are bound to win. Its no more mysterious than that - just show up.

If there is any lesson to be had from narcissists - it is rather that simply showing up counts for more than anything else. Of course, this isn't a lesson one needs narcissists for, and learning lessons from that men who are generally among the least happy of mankind is a risky endeavor at best.

I used to live in a foreign country where a favorite pastime of the ex-pats was to bitch and moan about the bad aspects of our host country - I would always try and remind them that these were just different expressions of the same underlying quality that made the country hugely appealing to us in the first. If you like an easy going attitude, for instance, don't be surprised if things take a long time to get done.

Blogger Bard December 17, 2016 1:04 PM  

This is an excellent book. It will continue to sell well as it gains exposure. The 9 laws touch on aspects that most would not naturally consider until they are made aware they are vulnerable. I was weak on posture and plain lacking on concealment due to ego. Powerful and deep concepts within a very hard martial Christian frame. I will be posting a full review on Amazon. Not for the faint of heart. Ivan will be making a deeper impact when he moves forward with establishing a brotherhood of like minded men through conferences.

Blogger VD December 17, 2016 1:21 PM  

In the end, its facile advice whose appeal rests on wishful thinking - oh yes, you can have all the good with none of the bad!

You're attempting to discuss and dismiss a book without having read it. That's egregiously stupid.

You are clearly not tall enough for either the book or this blog.

Blogger Nate December 17, 2016 1:23 PM  

great review. Ivan rocks.

Blogger Nate December 17, 2016 1:31 PM  

"You're attempting to discuss and dismiss a book without having read it. That's egregiously stupid."

Vox... you obviously don't understand. See... it doesn't make sense to Jason. And Jason is really smart. So if something doesn't make sense to him... it isn't true. Because if it were true it would make sense to him. Because Smart.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 17, 2016 1:40 PM  

Somehow, I think one major aspect of Gamma is having a level of Dark Triad traits that cripple rather than help. Most obviously delusional narcissism (Secret King syndrome), but also Machiavellianism (using sleazy manipulative ass-kissing in an attempt to woo a girl) and psychopathy (an inability to recognize when/that you're just pissing people off).

Blogger Bard December 17, 2016 1:43 PM  

Jason,
Read the book, then opine. He is going to change your outlook on harnessing the power and necessity of non delusional narcissism.

Blogger Bard December 17, 2016 1:44 PM  

11) Well said

Anonymous Jason December 17, 2016 2:07 PM  

Guys, settle down.

I was not discussing the book - where did you get that idea from? - I was discussing the idea described by Vox in the post - that one can have the good but not the bad of narcissism.

If this idea cannot be evaluated, or at least discussed, on the basis of the excerpts and comments provided by Vox in the post, why bother making the post in the first place?

It seems odd to make a post describing an idea at length, commenting on it - then attacking someone for discussing and evaluating the idea you just presented and commented on. Weird, to say the least.

The "best of both worlds" idea is hardly a new and unfamiliar idea. Its an idea everyone has seen in a million contexts. Now I'm seeing it applied in one more context - an old and familiar idea that has never been valid, being applied in one more context, and specifically to narcissism.

It is, of course, perfectly valid to use logic to analyze this old idea applied to narcissism. I may or may not be right, but there is enough data here to make good logical arguments without having to read an entire book based on an idea that has never proven to be valid.

Instead of being defensive, why not discuss the idea?

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 17, 2016 2:48 PM  

Gamma = narcissism + estrogen

Alpha = narcissism + testosterone

Anonymous #8601 December 17, 2016 3:51 PM  

The bright side of narcissism is Donald J. Trump.

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner December 17, 2016 4:10 PM  

This was the first book I have encountered in more than a half-century of reading that I started re-reading immediately after completing it. Deep doesn't begin to describe it. I was astounded by the number of subtle connections and references that presented themselves.

Get it. Get it now. You will not be disappointed.

Blogger VD December 17, 2016 5:12 PM  

If this idea cannot be evaluated, or at least discussed, on the basis of the excerpts and comments provided by Vox in the post, why bother making the post in the first place?

Because you're doing so in ignorance. You're not equipped to begin evaluating it. Posts about books are not made for people who have not read them to discuss as if their opinion about the ideas in it matters.

Why bother making the post? Because people who have not read the book can decide if they wish to or not on the basis of the information provided by those who have.

It's not about you or your ignorant opinion.

Instead of being defensive, why not discuss the idea?

We're not being defensive. Because the informed don't discuss ideas with the ignorant.

Fucking gammas. Every. Single. Time.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 17, 2016 5:29 PM  

Hey "Jason", you wouldn't happen to be friends with someone named "Mike" who recently commented, would you?

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents December 17, 2016 6:37 PM  

@20 "Jason"
I'm not a threat,

True dat, you are also very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very boring. Also your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries. The same goes for "mike".

Anonymous BBGKB December 17, 2016 6:52 PM  

I wish I could have read a book like that at 17yo.

This is an important review, because AC is the foremost observer of narcissism, sociopathy, and deranged minds in general on the Internet

Its almost like he meet 1/2 of my exes.

Blogger Bard December 17, 2016 6:52 PM  

"Clearly, despite, strange, defensive" This book book is not for you, don't waste your feelz

Blogger Bard December 17, 2016 6:55 PM  

BBGKB
Extra B?

Blogger VD December 17, 2016 7:48 PM  

Goodbye, Jason. Spammed. Don't come back.

Anonymous @1n1 December 18, 2016 1:26 AM  

*It may sound counterproductive to look to deranged minds for success strategies, but the fact of the matter is that those strategies are so effective that they allow even the delusional and the brain-damaged to succeed despite themselves.*

I confess to not reading these titles, yet I would like to post the following prior to digesting the literature for posterity.

Three Americans (x,y,z) discuss virtue after being accused by a peer of living in the shadows of their narcissistic delusions.
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x: What is the virtue of life?

y: Maybe listen to people that seem to have figured it out?

z: But, what actually is it?

x: "Ask others in order to contemplate their thoughts and see if they fit the parameters of virtue."

y: "Assess my own experience of it, and study the degrees of separation between my perspective and others while cherry picking other peoples perspectives that I believe to be genuine."

z: "You're looking at it."
This is not verbatim but a summary of the accuser.
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When will physical copies be available? I would spend more money with CHP if there were an option to preorder a book and receive an instant electronic copy paired in one purchase, I wouldn't mind paying extra for this type of marketing tactic especially for hardcovers.

Blogger VD December 18, 2016 4:27 AM  

What part of "don't come back" do you have trouble understanding, gamma?

You're banned and spammed. You are not allowed to comment here anymore Mike/Jason.

Blogger VD December 18, 2016 4:28 AM  

When will physical copies be available? I would spend more money with CHP if there were an option to preorder a book and receive an instant electronic copy paired in one purchase, I wouldn't mind paying extra for this type of marketing tactic especially for hardcovers.

The print editions, in paperback and hardcover, have been available for weeks.

Anonymous Jason December 18, 2016 4:44 AM  

I am sorry to see I am so threatening to you, Vox. You are a far more fearful person than I thought. That's OK, I won't comment here anymore. I hope you develop into a stronger person who can deal handle disagreement. Perhaps, one day.

Take care, Vox.

Blogger wreckage December 18, 2016 5:39 AM  

God hae' mercy, some people just dunno when they're pissing themselves in public, do they?

Blogger wreckage December 18, 2016 5:45 AM  

Oh, FUCK ME, is he trying to sound like he knows philosophy AGAIN?

Arright, now, back to the discussion at hand.

It is, in fact, a trick you need, to think two ways at once. To stick at something like it, and you, can't possibly fail, while also analyzing it like both can. Certainly the utility and even desirability of sociopathic traits has been discussed before today, with regard to a variety of fields but particularly noteworthy is surgery, where turning off the normal moral/empathetic responses is vital to success.

Blogger wreckage December 18, 2016 5:47 AM  

And I have been in business, and I burned out, but it is absolutely true that an appropriate dose of narcissism is vital as soon as things start to go pear-shaped.

Blogger ViciousCreep December 18, 2016 5:40 PM  

Voxday, My! You are embracing the dark triad. Unintentionally you give evidence Jason's suggestion has some merit. Good luck to you as you try to cheat the faustian bargain.

Blogger wreckage December 19, 2016 1:45 AM  

What I have found most entertaining is this: I am not ready to commit to this "alpha, gamma, etc" notion.

And yet, every time Vox whispers "Guys, guys, he's a gamma... watch this!", the results are 100% reliable.

Every damn time.

Anonymous Jason December 19, 2016 2:45 AM  

@Wreckage, you shouldn't doubt the validity of the gamm and alpha categories. They are, in my opinion, 100% valid. Alpha and gamma really do exist and are meaningful categories and helpful in understanding human behavior.

However, no doubt you are aware of the well known law that says extremes have more in common with each other than with moderates, that extremes meet, in other words - and this applies here, too. Gamma and Alpha uncannily mirror each other.

On another thread, Vox assures us that one of the traits of the "wounded" gamma is to never give up, to be persistent as hell in his revenge. Yet how many times has Vox boasted of that he never gives up in his various quests for revenge, and held this up as one of the most admirable alpha qualities?

Now, I think its perfectly understandable that Vox cannot see this resemblance - he has too much invested in his role as alpha. But as observers, we have a bit more objectivity, wouldn't you agree?

But beyond the issue even of whether gammas and alphas are extremes that have more in common than otherwise, beyond even the apparently highly significant question of whether I myself am indeed a gamma (I may very well be), wouldn't it be better to be free from the need to be either gamma or alpha?

That, it seems to me, is to the true path to freedom.

Anonymous Ivan Throne December 19, 2016 7:42 PM  

@7 - Many thanks, and for the very strong five-star review on Amazon. I appreciate the time you took to write that.

@9 - Thank you. More is coming!

@15 - Interesting, and I agree.

@17 - That is an incredibly gracious and complimentary testominy. Thank you very much for that.

@Jason - Secret king much?

@VD - Once more, great appreciation for the opportunity to join and work with Castalia House.

Regards,

Ivan

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