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Wednesday, December 14, 2016

The First Law of Female Journalism

Steve Sailer is right. Again. Every single time.
Plight of the Funny Female.... When I learned all of this, I immediately ran into the living room and asked my boyfriend if it’s important to him that his sexual partners are funny.

“Apparently not,” he said.

Ouch! But also, that’s so funny! Ugh.

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Once, a guy and I spent several months in romantic no-man’s land, trying to decide if we liked each other. My issue with him was that he took me out for dinner at a fancy place and only ordered chocolate milk. I thought his issue was that there was another girl.

I was wrong:

“I just don’t get you!” he exclaimed one day when we were on a walk. “You’re pretty, but you’re like … goofy. It makes no sense.”

It’s depressing that for many women who aren’t professional comedians, the most valuable social currency is beauty—or worse, “being sweet.” In his infamous Vanity Fair piece about why women aren’t funny, Christopher Hitchens presents humor as an essential tool men can deploy to break a woman’s defenses:

If you can stimulate her to laughter … well, then, you have at least caused her to loosen up and to change her expression.

Women can also stimulate people to laughter—not just for the purpose Hitchens had in mind, but to make a new friend, or to make an old one feel better. To impress a boss or a boyfriend’s parents. To lean in, for cryin’ out loud. If funniness is an implement of power, women deserve access to it, too.If we acknowledge that these prejudices exist—that men’s humor is encouraged at the expense of women’s—is there anything we can do about it? Buss is skeptical that human desire can be molded; that a stern PSA or even a shift in social mores could encourage men to seek out women who are witty rather than pretty. Entrenched beliefs that are ugly and passé—like racism—persist even when people disavow them. Men’s desire to be the Kings of Relationship Comedy, meanwhile, isn’t even frowned upon.

Hone, from the University of Missouri, is more optimistic. If humankind decides that women’s natural zaniness should be set free, mankind should start to ask funnier women out for drinks. And women could stop dating men who don’t laugh at their jokes.

“Just because a trait has served an adaptive purpose does not mean we should accept it,” she said. “I like to think that there’s hope for all the funny, single ladies out there.”
Translation: Me think me pretty, funny, and smart! Why come no men want me? And isn't it terrible that men prefer sweet, pretty women? They should prefer unattractive bitches so that in time the human race will genetically devolve to the point that I'll look like a charming supermodel in comparison!

Steve Sailer's First Law of Female Journalism: The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter-looking.

Also, with very few exceptions, female comedians aren't even funny. And that's even when one mentally gives a bonus to the rare female comedian who is capable of cracking what we will generously term "a joke" without a) talking solely about herself or b) making any reference to her ever-so-hilarious genitals.

The answer to why women are not funny is rooted in philosophy. Women are more solipsistic than men, and most humor is found outside of reference to the self.

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157 Comments:

Blogger Dexter December 14, 2016 8:12 AM  

Beautiful + unFunny >>> Ugly + Funny

Sorry, fat chicks, it is what it is.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 14, 2016 8:17 AM  

I suppose I understand why many women rail at beauty's perch atop the hierarchy of dating value.

Casting aspersions on being sweet-natured, though, reveals something profound about a woman. Her father should hang himself out of shame.

Imagine: a woman who feels no need to be sweet (i.e., polite, soft-spoken, kind and a good listener...all behaviors she could cultivate at trivial effort unless she's a raging, batshit crazy bitch.)

Anonymous Samson December 14, 2016 8:19 AM  

Every single time women write anything, it is ALWAYS self-serving, and their anecdotes (which are probably made up) always involve lots of self-praise. I worked around women at a point in my career, almost all day,including my boss, and I have never heard so much "humble-bragging" in my life--even in sports with other guys.

Every single "story" she had, which could be as mundane as standing in line at the grocery store, involved some type of allegedly spontaneous revelation about how good looking, or smart, or competent she was...all thrown in around the supposed "plot" or point of the story.

Blogger Orville December 14, 2016 8:20 AM  

So much material here. Firstly Tina Fey, Lena Dunham, Mindy Kaling, Abbi Jacobson, Ilana Glazer are not funny. Looking back historically at women in comedy you have Lucille Ball, whose comedic value was stupidity with Ricky the long-suffering straight-man, "Luthy, what have you done now?". Then you have a cackling train wreck talking about her neanderthal husband Fang. Then their is the Jewish bitch Joan Rivers. In the 80's the fat slob Roseanne and her cucked husband Tom Arnold. So yeah, women generally aren't funny.

Second thought. As mentioned in the article comedy is a very high risk profession. It takes years of bombing on stage to hone your skill, and while most comedians tend to be damaged people on some level, most women just can't handle the years of rejection.

Third thought is that humor is a great PUA tool to approach, defuse and advance on a girl.

Blogger Orville December 14, 2016 8:22 AM  

Fang - Phyllis Diller.

Blogger Wrangler December 14, 2016 8:23 AM  

I had never really considered it, but no - funny women aren't attractive even if they by chance happen to be pretty. Total turn off to men.

Anonymous WinstonWebb December 14, 2016 8:24 AM  

There is a HUGE list of funny female comediennes:

Carol Burnett

OK, I'm out.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 14, 2016 8:29 AM  

Jeanne Robinson is one of the funniest comedians going. But she's not one of the popular girls. She's old school. She can, and does, play churches, because her humor doesn't require vulgarity or raunchy themes. That's hard to do! If you imposed standards of decency on all comedians it would vastly reduce their ranks.

Young comediennes aspire to be the Sarah Silvermans, etc. Who are NOT funny. Not even remotely. They are bitchy popular girls.

Anonymous Samson December 14, 2016 8:33 AM  

Also, humor requires, at least on some level, self-effacement--which most "funny" men trade off to learn and use humor. They guy you busted balls with in the military who was 10 times "funnier" than you, but liked it when you came up with a good one.

Women aren't funny because they have no sense of humor about themselves, in general, they are hyper-sensitive to any perceived slight. They never hone the humor meme with other women because any "funny" (I GOTCHA on THAT ONE!) humor is considered major slander to be punished by the offended party. Women can no more make fun of themselves--which is required to develop general humor about humane nature--any more than they can say they are "sorry" for something.

Blogger Minecraft Chuck December 14, 2016 8:33 AM  

The Carol Burnett show was great. But Tim Conway consistently stole the show. Carol could joke, sing, dance, and was pretty to boot.

But that was back in the dark ages, when the Patriarchy still ruled. Now we have the more enlightened times of ugly, unfunny, untalented female performers. I hardly dare to call them women.

Anonymous TheSmokingMan#3424 December 14, 2016 8:34 AM  

women discern, men filter.
Beauty is the first filter. Women trying to be funny are trying to get a 2nd crack at passing the first filter. Almost every time a man filters a woman out, that's it, shes done.
Men, on the other hand, use comedy as a siege weapon. Once more unto the breach, dear friends.

Anonymous Thales December 14, 2016 8:35 AM  

"On one hand, we live in the golden age of female comedy."

Didn't have to read past that to know the article was rubbish.

Blogger KSC December 14, 2016 8:39 AM  

I can't think of a single female comic I listen to or watch on a regular basis. (Then again, I can't think of many male comics either; most contemporary comedy is mediocre at best.)

Blogger dc.sunsets December 14, 2016 8:41 AM  

I've a new theory.
Women go to great lengths to enhance their physical attractiveness but the only behaviors they tend to work at involve sexuality. I think this stems from:

The Law of the Female State of Nature: women, left to their most base behavioral impulses are at perpetual war with other women.

Since being "sweet-natured" is a weakness, not a strength when it comes to woman-vs-woman battle, the more a society lets women be "as bad as they wanna' be," the fewer sweet-natured women will be found.

No wonder I told my sons that while physical attractiveness is obviously preferable in a potential wife, it is having a sweet nature that qualifies a woman for lifelong partnership. Its presence is one of the few indicators that she's not a hypergamous harlot who will back-stab you without the slightest warning.

Anonymous WinstonWebb December 14, 2016 8:45 AM  

Minecraft Chuck December 14, 2016 8:33 AM
The Carol Burnett show was great. But Tim Conway consistently stole the show. Carol could joke, sing, dance, and was pretty to boot.


I always thought Harvey Korman was funnier than Conway.

Blogger Salt December 14, 2016 8:45 AM  

Joan Rivers. Even Bette Midler had a few moments. Today's they are George Carlin's 7 words one cannot say on television.

Anonymous Ain December 14, 2016 8:47 AM  

Demanding to be funny because of a perceived sexist power struggle is like Emma Watson being bossy at the UN about everybody calling her "bossy" at school.

Blogger Stilicho December 14, 2016 8:50 AM  

Ball, Burnette, Tomlin, maybe Jane Curtain. All funny, primarily as character actors. Stand up, not so much.

Blogger Durandel Almiras December 14, 2016 8:50 AM  

The author's Instagram photos are telling. Not surprised she's concerned about being able to attract men. What she has right now is found wanting.

In the article, I noticed that it's her female friends that think she is funny. So broken Leftist women studies majors think she': hilarious, and rather than reflect on that, she's annoyed that her microcosm isn't the norm. Like a child.

We really do need to burn all Liberalism out of the human race.

Anonymous Phil December 14, 2016 8:51 AM  

My Fiance is hilarious, we make each other laugh loads and I consider her to be very attractive, smart, and a great life partner. But as a rule most women are not funny, at least in my life experience.

Blogger praetorian December 14, 2016 8:53 AM  

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Blogger praetorian December 14, 2016 8:54 AM  

(kek)

A lot of very funny guys aren't particularly attractive to females (look at kantbot2000). Rather, females find attractive guys funny.

Being SMV-dominant for 10 formative years appears to microwave the reality-perceiving part of most female brains.

Blogger Ron December 14, 2016 8:59 AM  

Remonds me of the lesbian feminist who tried to prove "male privilege" by going as a man and ended up having to be hospitalized from the trauma of what we regularly put up with.

Dont feel to bad for her tho, the botch decided to have her breakdown while in the middle of a male retreat where the men were encouraged to open up, for once in their lives, about what the go through. And of course, princess must have it be all about her.

Blogger The Kurgan December 14, 2016 9:01 AM  

You know when women are funny? When they manage to understand my dark humour without me having to explain anything to them.

Blogger SteelPalm December 14, 2016 9:02 AM  

What a navel-gazing, imbecilic, rudder-less article. It began in the bay of stupidity and then drifted into the ocean of idiocy with no hope of reaching land, ending when the crew had long since died of scurvy.

Also, as someone who has watched countless hundreds of stand-up comedians, I have yet to find a single funny female stand-up comedian. Ever.

In shows and movies, working with a script and director? Sure, plenty of hilarious performances. Patricia Routledge in "Keeping Up Appearances" is one of the greatest comic role I've ever seen.

But in stand-up? All the women I've seen were garbage, and that includes all the famous names, past and present.

Moreover, I have never encountered a single genuinely funny woman in my entire life, and I have a slew of female friends.

The most I can say of any of them is that "she is funnier than the average woman" and "she can tell an anecdote half-way competently, without fucking up the delivery, punchline, or otherwise killing off the humor".

Thus, I'm intensely skeptical about any man that claims to have a "funny female friend", let alone a funny significant other.

Anonymous Hefty McGee December 14, 2016 9:02 AM  

This made my brain hurt. Oy vey.

Blogger Zach December 14, 2016 9:09 AM  

So many not-funny "comediennes". I can't think of a single good stand-up.

I can think of women who are capable of comic acting. But then, they're not working with their own material. This might explain why Ellen DeGeneres is only funny when she is voicing Dory.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 14, 2016 9:10 AM  

She has no problem with the idea that a woman should try to be funny to be more attractive, but hates the idea that a woman should try to be "sweet" to be attractive. Somehow, working to increase one personality trait is empowering, while working to increase the other would be demeaning.

Presumably in her case that's because she thinks she's funny and knows she's not sweet. But that's also a tenet of feminism: it's okay for women to work really hard to act more like men, but not to act like women, even when that's easier.

Blogger Felix Bellator December 14, 2016 9:14 AM  

Being SMV-dominant for 10 formative years appears to microwave the reality-perceiving part of most female brains.

That may be this gal's problem. She is Bridget Fonda level pretty, so what kind of damage is she suffering from to be this crazy? Probably pumped and dumped by too many Alphas.

Blogger VD December 14, 2016 9:17 AM  

"she can tell an anecdote half-way competently, without fucking up the delivery, punchline, or otherwise killing off the humor".

It is somewhat amazing how few women can even relate an anecdote successfully. FFS, stop telling us that it was "so funny" or "we laughed so hard" or querying yourself over some irrelevant detail. You saying it was funny to you then does not make it any more amusing to anyone hearing the ineptly rendered version now.

Blogger pyrrhus December 14, 2016 9:20 AM  

Women aren't funny, period. But some women have an understated charm that can pass for humor, which is very agreeable.

Blogger James Higham December 14, 2016 9:22 AM  

Women can also stimulate people to laughter

They can stimulate us to many things.

Blogger CM December 14, 2016 9:25 AM  

The answer to why women are not funny is rooted in philosophy. Women are more solipsistic than men, and most humor is found outside of reference to the self.

The funniest things I say are the things that my kids do and say. It makes people laugh, but I doubt its something original I said.

Women can have a good sense of humor. To be able to laugh alongside our men is perhaps more valuable than to be able to crack jokes.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric December 14, 2016 9:25 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:Women aren't funny, period. But some women have an understated charm that can pass for humor, which is very agreeable.
I think when most people refer to "funny women" what they often mean is women who are confident enough to be self-deprecating which is, as you say, charming and amusing.

Blogger CM December 14, 2016 9:30 AM  

Presumably in her case that's because she thinks she's funny and knows she's not sweet. But that's also a tenet of feminism: it's okay for women to work really hard to act more like men, but not to act like women, even when that's easier.

Is "sweetness" more valued? Real question here. I thought I was a boring child. I wasn't funny. I was sweet and serious. It never seemed to be very highly valued.

Blogger Murray December 14, 2016 9:31 AM  

As others have pointed out, women can be funny when working from a script. I quite enjoyed Tina Fey in 30 Rock, for instance, but note how much of that show's humor came from mocking the very solipsism and self-consciousness that comes across so drearily in the above article.

By the same token, Portia DeRossi and Jessica Walther were funny in Arrested Development--but again, these are oblivious solipsists being played for laughs. Julia Louis-Dreyfus in Seinfeld? Another...well, you get the idea.

So women can be funny when they're playing off stereotypical female characteristics. But actual, moment to moment spontaneous humor? I really can't think of any.

Blogger Iowahine December 14, 2016 9:33 AM  

I'm socially anxious, so often babble annoyingly in groups. In recent years, I've happened to gets a laugh (not my goal) when I speak of the antics of my dog. The punchline in those stories is always me and what a big dope I am to have been completely trained by my dog to obey him.

Anonymous Stickwick December 14, 2016 9:39 AM  

...or worse, “being sweet.”

Why does this woman find it so horrible that "being sweet" is valuable social currency? This should be good news for women everywhere. Not every woman can be beautiful, but every woman can be sweet.

SteelPalm: But in stand-up? All the women I've seen were garbage, and that includes all the famous names, past and present.

Agreed. I watched some Ellen DeGeneres stand-up thing a while back, and was surprised to discover that funniness in movie roles and banter does not translate to funniness on stage. Not even one laugh. Maybe the difference is that, unlike stand-up, movie roles and conversation take women out of themselves.

Vox: And that's even when one mentally gives a bonus to the rare female comedian who is capable of cracking what we will generously term "a joke" without a) talking solely about herself or b) making any reference to her ever-so-hilarious genitals.

Canadian comic, Russell Peters, goes out of his way to give up-and-comers a chance to get some visibility, which is great in principle, but it seems his own talent does not translate to an ability to detect talent in others. His series on Netflix has a camera crew following him around on tour, and you get to see some of these newer comics tagging along as opening acts. The one woman he inexplicably thought was hilarious apparently had just one schtick, which was to be as disgusting as possible with zero cleverness, and the subject was often herself and her anatomy. She was like a three year-old kid who thinks it's comedy gold to run around the house yelling "Pee! Poop!" It was stunningly unfunny.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 14, 2016 9:39 AM  

Translation: Me think me pretty, funny, and smart! Why come no men want me? And isn't it terrible that men prefer sweet, pretty women? They should prefer unattractive bitches so that in time the human race will genetically devolve to the point that I'll look like a charming supermodel in comparison!

The thing I love about third wave feminists is that they think they get a vote on what gives men boners.

Blogger Student in Blue December 14, 2016 9:40 AM  

@CM
Is "sweetness" more valued? Real question here. I thought I was a boring child. I wasn't funny. I was sweet and serious. It never seemed to be very highly valued.

Oh goodness yes, sweetness is definitely highly valued. Especially when you get a little older, a little more experienced, and you realize firsthand just how aggravating "strong" bitchy women can be.

Hell, you can see that in which fictional characters men gravitate towards, as well. There will be "strong, badass, funny women" in fiction, but the only men who really gravitate towards that type are the most beta-tized, feminized men who find in those women what they lack in themselves.

Anonymous 1066Pounds December 14, 2016 9:40 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrvMzk1ozE4

southpark has been saying this all season long...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 14, 2016 9:42 AM  

An example of a bitch not being funny, Obama zhe is not funny.

Blogger Hacker December 14, 2016 9:43 AM  

When you see a bunch of girls on the street they are always giggling so women must be funny in some circumstances.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 14, 2016 9:49 AM  

Cartman: Wendy just do women's comedy stuff. Talk about how fat you are and how you want to have sex with guys and say, "my vagina," a lot.

I'd noticed this trend myself a while back.

I'm not saying women performers can't be funny. Carol Burnett in her prime was the best physical comedian of her age. While I find their politics malignant, I will grant that Amy Poehler and Tina Fey have made me laugh. But only...and this is important...in the context of being comedic actresses.

Women's standup is invariably a different story because it's always the same story.

My period just started.

My vagina is like...

My boyfriend is like this thing compared to that thing because he is a shit, "hi honey!"

I got so drunk that...

My cat watched me having sex...

I'm fat.

I'm old.

No one wants me anymore and they used to and I'm mad about that.

Blowjobs are like this thing compared to another thing.

My period just started.

Blogger Rational Thinker December 14, 2016 9:50 AM  

I have been at many mixed sex gatherings in my time and listened to groups of women telling jokes to each other. They will all be laughing up a storm while I am shaking my head at how unfunny their "jokes" are.

Men are funny to both men and women. Women are only funny to other women. Women want to blame that on men not getting their humor. The truth is that women just don't understand humor.

Blogger VD December 14, 2016 9:51 AM  

The punchline in those stories is always me and what a big dope I am to have been completely trained by my dog to obey him.

Do you notice how this underlines what we've been saying about the dearth of female humor? The reason women aren't funny is because their subject is always themselves. They're not actually trying to be funny, they're trying to talk about themselves under the guise of being funny.

Blogger VoodooJock December 14, 2016 9:58 AM  

Female humour is only an asset when it comes to keeping small children entertained. Any other time, it's a nuisance. And that's discounting that most attempts a comedy performed by females is thinly veiled snark and foul-mouthed obnoxiousness.

Blogger YIH December 14, 2016 9:59 AM  

When you see a 'successful' (as in known name, got a sitcom, ect) female standup on a video, note when the camera pans to the audience - nearly all or majority female.
As noted, most are plain, or fat, or both. As well as at least some degree of batshit - more than a few, totally batshit trainwrecks.

Anonymous Stickwick December 14, 2016 10:00 AM  

Iowahine: I'm socially anxious, so often babble annoyingly in groups.

In his book, How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big, Scott Adams provides a no-fail strategy for beating social anxiety and becoming a good conversationalist. He figured it out when he realized that social anxiety comes from being too focused on yourself. The way to beat it is to stop focusing on yourself. The point of conversation is to make the other person feel good, which is easy to do, since 99% of people enjoy talking about themselves. It's even easier if you have any talent whatsoever for telling amusing stories.

Here's the question stack he provides to get the conversation going:

1. What's your name?
2. Where do you live?
3. Do you have a family?
4. What do you do for a living?
5. Do you have any hobbies/sports?
6. Do you have any travel plans?

You keep asking questions until you find a point of mutual interest, and then you focus on that without dominating the conversation. You should also have a backlog of funny / entertaining stories you can pull out during any conversation. This requires some practice, and in his book Adams gives advice on how to craft funny stories for maximum impact. You've already got a head start with your amusing stories about your dog. If you follow the question stack and continually refresh your backlog with new stories, you'll never fail in social situations.

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31. pyrrhus December 14, 2016 9:20 AM
Women aren't funny, period.



i see what you did there.


35. CM December 14, 2016 9:30 AM
It never seemed to be very highly valued.


it won't get you a lot of attention, especially from the Left hand side of the bell curve.

but then, did you really want to be Anna Nicole Smith or bald Brittany Spears?

attention /= valued, although this is a common female mistake.

a lot of people can't stop looking at Bruce Jenner ... and he's not even female.

Blogger Johnny December 14, 2016 10:04 AM  

My take is that women take social interaction more seriously than men. As humor requires a certain irreverence they are not given to it.

Blogger SteveK December 14, 2016 10:04 AM  

Related but OT. I expect the planned all female DC Comic movie to be a huge disaster on par with Lady Ghostbusters. Taking bets now.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-female-dc-villains-220126611.html

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 14, 2016 10:06 AM  

As someone who is outnumbered 3-1 in his own home, it's difficult, but not impossible, to find humor amongst the women in my life, regardless of their age. As much as my wife openly abhors it, she's pretty good at the self deprecation when she wants to be. That's the key point there.

There's a huge line between feeling the need to self deprecate and just letting it happen. A lot of women in comedy today are forcing it when they really don't need to, or even should, in a lot of cases. I have more respect for a woman who even attempts comedy that does so by letting things happen naturally vice someone who forces it.

Case in point: at first glance, as much as it will pain people here, I do happen to find Amy Schumer somewhat attractive, per my personal tastes. HOWEVER...that goes out the window when she goes into her standard SJW, feminist, anti-male schtick, and it's a complete turnoff. In my mind, I can't get past the fact that someone who I find even marginally attractive would openly destroy any chance with me by even passively considering the tripe of a modern feminist. Does she know that by engaging in that type of behavior that she's essentially called upon the proverbial wall to just show up one day for her to hit at full force?

Something tells me most of these women haven't thought their cunning plans quite all the way through...

Anonymous dagwood December 14, 2016 10:06 AM  

Well, there was Gilda Radner, who was a powerhouse. And Terri Garr. And Geraldine Chapman as the clueless British journalist in Nashville.

People tend not to realize that Bud Abbott was funnier than Lou Costello. A good straight man is hard to find (comedy is relational, it's not all one person.) And I've seen plenty of women being very funny as the dry straight man to their small children. Not everybody should have a spotlight.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2016 10:13 AM  

Gemerally women are rather hilarious so long as you don't take them seriously to begin with.

Anonymous omar's running shoes December 14, 2016 10:13 AM  

I spent almost 20 years as a road comic. I worked with maybe forty- fifty women in that entire time (300+ gigs a year). Only a couple were solid comedy writers- Kathleen Madigan, T Marni Vos, Wendy Liebman and Maria Bamford. There were a couple strong performers who commanded the room- Beth Donahue comes to mind- but the vast majority of that small minority (female comics are 5% of the comedians out there, even fewer are working comics) were far below average.

I have a theory not mentioned and that has more to do with how THEY perceive themselves which is delusional. I have seen plenty of comics bomb, even the best, but they always had a pretty honest appraisal of their performance coming off stage with a "Wow, I suck!" while a woman comes off the stage after a complete train wreck of a show saying "They really loved that set!"

No, women are not funny for a host of reasons, all of which are genetic. Much in the same way that they are not physically strong. That one or two are does not disprove any theory, nor does it mean men aren't because not all men are funny.

Funny men are exponentially funnier than the funniest women.

And during the heyday- I worked the clubs/colleges during the 80's-90's there was literally a line of available women waiting after the show provided you had a good set. There is something about making a woman laugh for 45 minutes to an hour that makes them want to drop their panties,don't ask me why because I was never really that interested in their reasoning if it existed at all. If I had to guess it's because you dominate the entire room full of people and by the end they applaud you. Go figure.

Anonymous dagwood December 14, 2016 10:16 AM  

Men seem to understand better than women that a lot of comedy is in using the dynamics of exaggeration and diminution. People like Kinison, Belushi, Aykroyd, Andy Kaufman, started with a persona which was a version of themselves and then played around with it, taking it up and down the keyboard. Women tend to just play themselves, which has no dynamics.

Anonymous omar's running shoes December 14, 2016 10:16 AM  

I notice a lot of people are confusing comedic actresses with comedians. A comic writes their own material and performs it on a stage with a mic. Terri Garr/Gilda Radner/etc don't qualify.

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 14, 2016 10:17 AM  

@54

I think you just hit the nail on the head. There's a huge relationship aspect that a lot of these modern "comediennes" don't seem to understand. I think in a lot of cases these women resent the fact that they are the de facto "straight man" in their relationships, when that's exactly what their role is, whether they like it or not. And, in a lot of cases, you're right, the straight man IS the funnier of the comedic pair in a lot of cases, due in part to the fact that they are the main interaction between the pair and the audience.

Granted, there are always exceptions to this rule, but that's really what they should be considered as: exceptions.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 14, 2016 10:18 AM  

Is "sweetness" more valued?

It is, but since "She's so sweet" is now seen as a put-down by the feminist mainstream, you're not going to hear it. And since we haven't been taught to think sweetness is good, a guy may realize he really likes a girl more than her looks account for but not realize it's because she's sweet. Could most people on the street even define it, other than those who consider it an insult?

But what's funny is, despite all that retraining, the non-sweet writer of this piece still instinctively understands that being sweet would help her out. She just doesn't want to do it.

Anonymous Stickwick December 14, 2016 10:20 AM  

Johnny: My take is that women take social interaction more seriously than men. As humor requires a certain irreverence they are not given to it.

That, and humor involves risk -- risk that your joke will fall flat and you'll look foolish -- and women are generally risk-averse, especially when it comes to looking bad in social situations.

Blogger Timmy3 December 14, 2016 10:24 AM  

Comedy with women is on so many layers that it is like an onion. You just end of crying.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco December 14, 2016 10:24 AM  

Muh Vagina

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni December 14, 2016 10:26 AM  

Women think that being funny is part of being intelligent and to say women aren't funny implies that women aren't intelligent. They're right.

Blogger VD December 14, 2016 10:30 AM  

He figured it out when he realized that social anxiety comes from being too focused on yourself

I always find it amusing that people think confident men are narcissistic and highly self-centered, when the reality is that it is the little wallflowers and gammas who so buried into their navels that they're not even aware anyone else is in the room, much less know what is going on.

Blogger Timmy3 December 14, 2016 10:40 AM  

"Hitchens presents humor as an essential tool men can deploy to break a woman’s defenses"

That's exactly why women aren't funny. They don't want the attention. Men use one-liners as pick-up lines. Many times they fail too. The trick is not to take it personally and move on. Women can't handle such pressure. Humor is contrary to their instincts. Comedy also requires men or women to fall on their faces literally for the laugh. Seldom do you see women humiliate themselves to be funny. Alternatively, they get angry and defensive a la Rosie O'Donnell who is one angry fat lady.

Blogger tweell December 14, 2016 10:41 AM  

I am reminded of the two Greek philosophers Democritus and Heraclitus. Democritus laughed at the folly of mankind, while Heraclitus wept.

Humor transmutes pain into joy, instead of letting it drag us into depression. Few women are able to do this, it requires an intimacy and understanding of pain along with the ability to step away from it, not letting the pain rule you. It's a tightrope that's hard to walk, comedians are at high risk for substance abuse and suicide.

Given that testosterone supresses crying while prolactin promotes it, women may simply be biologically handicapped in this area.

Anonymous dagwood December 14, 2016 10:44 AM  

Just a few other rare exceptions: Dorothy Parker and Alice Roosevelt. And let's not forget the funniest woman who ever lived: Margaret Dumont.

Blogger CM December 14, 2016 10:46 AM  

bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } wrote:31. pyrrhus December 14, 2016 9:20 AM

Women aren't funny, period.


i see what you did there.

35. CM December 14, 2016 9:30 AM

It never seemed to be very highly valued.


it won't get you a lot of attention, especially from the Left hand side of the bell curve.

but then, did you really want to be Anna Nicole Smith or bald Brittany Spears?

attention /= valued, although this is a common female mistake.

a lot of people can't stop looking at Bruce Jenner ... and he's not even female.



It wasn't lack of attention I was considering. I wasn't much into being the center of attention and only by having kids have I been more comfortable around others because I know the focus isn't me... its my kid (cuz they are cute).

Its that when I did receive attention, it was decidedly cruel and nasty or blatant ignoring my pleasant greetings.

Of course... all that was from other girls. So, I suppose I should take that with a grain of salt.

I don't mean to be throwing my insecurities around here, but social anxiety started when I was young and working through it for the sake of my kids' social relationships has been a challenging goal.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 14, 2016 10:49 AM  

@35 Is "sweetness" more valued? Real question here. I thought I was a boring child. I wasn't funny. I was sweet and serious. It never seemed to be very highly valued.

Women who don't intrinsically have or cultivate a sweet nature are throwbacks, as are men who can't see past T&A. Just my opinion, but in general I think women who lack a sweet nature and men who don't appreciate it are doomed to very unhappy marriages as time takes its toll.

I've seen downright homely, but very sweet girls lead very full lives with good husbands and lots of kids. I've seen plenty of hot women end up by 40 mainlining SSRI's (whether or not they're divorced.)

Lots of men who discuss women in exclusively T&A terms are perpetual adolescents, high-time-preference addicts and doomed to spend their declining years in a hell of self-made bitter loneliness.

My wife was a truly sweet, very pretty girl who could still rock a bikini into her late 40's even after three kids. It's the sweetness, however, that makes for the long term.

The lack of popular appreciation for this obvious fact is just one more illustration of the debasement of our times, where what really matters is devalued and ephemeral fluff is deemed everything.

Anonymous BBGKB December 14, 2016 10:53 AM  

Buss is skeptical that human desire can be molded; that a stern PSA or even a shift in social mores could encourage men

PSA "Nasty fat scolds, who you would think could at least cook, need good men also, MAN UP."

have Lucille Ball, whose comedic value was stupidity with Ricky the long-suffering straight-man

How many married men on """TV""" are not long suffering STR8 Men?

"On one hand, we live in the golden age of female comedy.""This might explain why Ellen DeGeneres is only funny when she is voicing Dory" I expect the planned all female DC Comic movie to be a huge disaster on par with Lady Ghostbusters. Taking bets now.

How does supervagina change a lightbulb? She makes the earth revolve around her in reverse fast enough that time goes backward till it doesn't need to be changed.

Maybe the difference is that, unlike stand-up, movie roles and conversation take women out of themselves

They have to read scripts they wouldn't chose for themselves and get all the retakes they need. "OK people no one is going home until you laugh at the jokes."

Blogger S1AL December 14, 2016 10:56 AM  

I've heard funny female comedians, but they're extremely rare. In person, I've only really seen women be funny in groups, when talking about situations - and even then they're far funnier to other women than to men. Part of it is just that men don't find the same things to be funny, or as funny.

There also the bit where men can poke fun at people without being personal, whereas women usually have to detest/despise someone be willing to do that. Really cuts down on opportunities for humor.

Blogger Student in Blue December 14, 2016 10:58 AM  

@CM
Its that when I did receive attention, it was decidedly cruel and nasty or blatant ignoring my pleasant greetings.

Of course... all that was from other girls. So, I suppose I should take that with a grain of salt.


And the girls were doing that because they were trying to drag you down to their level. Like crabs in a boiling pot.

Ergo, sweetness is valuable by your very own experience.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 14, 2016 11:06 AM  

The funniest women I know are ones unafraid to embrace the role of the ditz. Women playing the ditz can be devastatingly funny. But the stand-up comediennes won't touch it, it seems. They want to be Empowered Womyn™. Their shows are about their own hipness, about how fabulous, punky and edgy they are.

Anonymous bagger vance December 14, 2016 11:15 AM  

"and one of Real Clear Science’s “10 Best Science Writers of 2014.”"

jesus wept.

Anonymous Oppenheimers Ghost December 14, 2016 11:20 AM  

Hi VD.

more ridiculousness and more distraction, the internet is chock full of it. I see a lot of people who feel utterly hopeless that things will change but have found focussing on my own life,attitudes, friends circle is more effective because these people are self-genociding.

They will struggle on thinking life is hard because of their status as a women but don't get its hard because they make it hard.

Also, I listened to a podcast you did where you mentioned Martin Van Creveld's article on Migration as a weapon of War. Perchance have you got a link to the original article? thank you

Blogger VFM #7634 December 14, 2016 11:20 AM  

Also, with very few exceptions, female comedians aren't even funny.

Although, to be fair, I've seen a few who are marginally funnier than Stephen Colbert.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 14, 2016 11:24 AM  

The funniest women I know are ones unafraid to embrace the role of the ditz. Women playing the ditz can be devastatingly funny.

@73 rubberducky
I'll have to agree with that. If they self-deprecate themselves as dumb ditzes by means of various anecdotes, I do laugh. Not otherwise.

Anonymous wheels December 14, 2016 11:25 AM  

While I've laughed at a few things modern women comics have said, the only female stand-up comedian I'd pay to see again is Rita Rudner.

Blogger Zapp Brannigan December 14, 2016 11:27 AM  

What a thoroughly irritating article.

I'd like to point out that the whole article grew from one woman's inability to accept a single piece of subjective criticism: Laura Mickes, the college professor profiled in the first paragraph, freaked out because a student wrote "She's not funny" in his teacher evaluation.

Not funny? NOT FUNNY?! Mercy in heaven, how was she supposed to face the world after this shame!

What kind of narcissistic headcase has to "redirect her anger" into wasting her students' time on numerous pointless experiments after a one single (male, presumably) student opined, in a private evaluation, that he didn't find her funny? If a man did this, his friends would be well within their rights to tell him that A) not everyone has the same sense of humor, and some people might not find his family anecdotes hilarious, and B) he needs to sack up and move on. The fact that this woman couldn't even grasp the former is even further evidence of her narcissism.

Finally, this article just proves the point once again: many women do not accept criticism well. Even if it's delivered anonymously and it's relatively tame. If even ONE person doesn't parrot their over-inflated sense of their own competence, they go right overboard.

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 14, 2016 11:28 AM  

@78

I think Rudner's the only one these days that actually has a good routine, partly because she's able to be self deprecating and be good at doing so. Someone else mentioned Madigan, but she's not on the same level.

Blogger Zundfolge December 14, 2016 11:28 AM  

This woman's problem is that she's angry that men will not find her both funny and attractive at the same time.

Well, welcome to equality honey, because very attractive men who are also funny are vary rare. Look at most stand up comedians with even a modicum of success and they're an ugly, haggard looking bunch.

Attractive women don't make good comedians for the same reason attractive men don't ... because you need to have some sympathy for the plight of the poor comedian in order to find their often self deprecating or sardonic insights funny.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion December 14, 2016 11:31 AM  

I'll let her in on a little secret, the guys that laughed at your jokes didn't do it cause they were funny, they did it cause they were trying to get in your pants.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2016 11:48 AM  

Hi! Could people commenting explain how an attractive woman acts and what she talks about?

I could use the info. *face palm* I know this is totally solipsistic, like Vox said. But I don't know where else to ask.

I'm a female millennial from a single-dad household. All of my "how to be a good girl" info came from MSM (just found-out trying to be funny is unattractive while reading these comments...). Thus I'm a boyfriend-less engineering student who loves political discussions, hunting, and feels most secure when I'm in charge. I'm also lazy with how I look and fat. I'm a feminist's dream girl.

How do I un-feminist myself?
Is talking about masculine stuff a turn off too?
Is being an engineer a turn off?
Do guys really like dumb girls, like feminist's say they do?
All the girly women I know have the most boring and retarded conversations where they just ooze emotions at each other. Do I have to be like them? Never a rational conversation?

Blogger Ellie December 14, 2016 11:52 AM  

Sorry, broke Anonymous rule. Name's Ellie.

Blogger Zapp Brannigan December 14, 2016 11:54 AM  

Regarding funny stand-up comediennes, I can only name two and both have already been named:

1. Rita Rudner;
2. Wendy Liebman

Liebman has a very unique, stream-of-consciousness delivery that I find very funny. Rudner's hook has always been her sharp, observational humor that has a broad appeal.

Neither spend much, if any, time talking about their vaginas.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist December 14, 2016 11:59 AM  

Of course... all that was from other girls. So, I suppose I should take that with a grain of salt.

When women remember that men aren't their enemies, other women are, society will get back on track. Women knew this before feminism and the sisterhood became their mental points of origin. Sweet-tempered, attractive women will always be appreciated by men. If a woman picks a thoughtless lout, thats on her. If women had any ability to self-analyze, they'd recognize that the un-voiced animosity they feel for other women is exactly what those other women feel for them.

Men are funny; women aren't. Stop trying to be a man, ladies and we'll all be happier.

Blogger Timmy3 December 14, 2016 12:04 PM  

Ellie: Lose weight, don't be in charge, smile, be sweet. And give up your career after having a kid or two.

Engineering career is fine. Men like dealing with logic and girls who can apply it. It's just that girls don't act logical when their ideas are shot down for logical reasons.

If you're dumb, that's a fact. Just don't rub it in that you're smart. You're likely not that smart.

It's fine to talk about masculine stuff. If your boyfriend don't have an interest in it, you come across as trying to out-man him and that's a turn-off.

OpenID everybodyhatesscott December 14, 2016 12:05 PM  

Related but OT. I expect the planned all female DC Comic movie to be a huge disaster on par with Lady Ghostbusters. Taking bets now.

At least they're not going with the fat frumpy ghostbusters route. I'd probably watch an hour of Margot Robbie bouncing around in a harley quinn costume.

Anonymous Baseball Savant December 14, 2016 12:07 PM  

I'd probably watch an hour of Margot Robbie bouncing around in a harley quinn costume.

there are a lot of things i'd watch margot robbie jump around in.

Blogger Harold December 14, 2016 12:08 PM  

Maybe it's showing my age, but Gracie Allen was incredibly funny. George Burns attributed his success to her. And, it was all good clean humor. (t least what I've seen...) Don't know how many other comediennes there were in vaudeville, but she was the one who made the successful transition to radio and then television, along with her also talented and self depreciating husband George. And George Burns thought Carol Burnett was funny, and I'm willing to trust his judgement on that.

Blogger modsquad December 14, 2016 12:13 PM  

— A man's search is for truth.
— The search for truth is a trial and error endeavor, which is why men can laugh at themselves; ego comes second to understanding. The crushed ego by way of error makes for good story telling, which helps attract an audience, including those with a uterus. A man's failures can help him to reproduce.

— A woman's search is for the right propaganda to put her uterus in demand.
— Supermodels and other 9s/10s don't need propaganda, which is why you never see them on stage (runways yes; with a microphone in their hands, no).
— The best way for a 5 or 6 to reproduce is to either cut down the 9s and 10s (which is rarely successful as ALL men, including gay men, will white knight for lingerie models), or to make herself more available than a 9 or 10. Getting on stage with a spotlight demonstrates her availability. The humor part of her show is irrelevant, that's not why she's up there.

Blogger William Hudson December 14, 2016 12:17 PM  

@78 wheels, THANK YOU for reminding me of dear Rita. I just U-tubed a short set, and she made me laugh all over again, like decades ago!

Blogger Student in Blue December 14, 2016 12:20 PM  

@Ellie
Now, do you really mean attractive, or do you mean wife material? If you're looking for simply attractive you just need to work on getting healthy and showing skin. There will always be desperate men.

However, this short-term, short-sighted view of things will just lead to strings of one-night-stands and you'll become a crazy, lonely cat lady, bitter at the world.

Now do you want to be wife material? Then read Proverbs 31. The entire chapter.

Now, do you want to be a wife to a great man? Then you have to spruce yourself up and stop being lazy. If you yourself are of low value, then the people who you'll get for long term will also be... low value.

Think about it. A lifetime of wedded happiness, children who love you, and a happy home. You just need to stop being lazy. Nothing works, unless you do.

Political discussions are fine. Hunting is fine. Feeling most secure when you're in charge? Reading between the lines, you likely never feel secure if you're not in charge. Figuring out how to be successfully subordinate to someone is a life skill everyone needs to learn, men and women, because there is always, always, always someone above you. You're never fully in charge.

How do I un-feminist myself?
Start realizing that men and women are different, even very masculine women. Seriously.

Is talking about masculine stuff a turn off too?
That all depends on what you define as "masculine stuff". Most women I run across who think "oh this is masculine stuff" is instead talking about really... really dumb stuff. Like farting or making crude remarks, as if that's somehow the entirety of masculinity or even a sizable portion of it.

Is being an engineer a turn off?
No.

Do guys really like dumb girls, like feminist's say they do?
The feminists have it inverted and so simplified that necessary details are left out, like normal. Women like men smarter than them. There's truth to liking "dumb girls", but it also stems from the fact that when a lot of women try to "act smart", they wind up acting insufferable instead, because it always winds up being "LOOK HOW SMART I AM SEE GUYS!?"

All the girly women I know have the most boring and retarded conversations where they just ooze emotions at each other. Do I have to be like them? Never a rational conversation?
No. Because no two people are exactly the same. At the same time, never lie to yourself that any of anyones' conversations are completely, purely rational.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 14, 2016 12:21 PM  

The funniest female bit I ever saw was Lady Gaga and Sophia Vergara next to each other on the Tonight Show. Gaga was kinda' a dark, brooding straight man to Sophia and the hosts (don't remember who it was, Leno or Fallon) bubbly setups. Great improv.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 14, 2016 12:24 PM  

VD wrote:He figured it out when he realized that social anxiety comes from being too focused on yourself

I always find it amusing that people think confident men are narcissistic and highly self-centered, when the reality is that it is the little wallflowers and gammas who so buried into their navels that they're not even aware anyone else is in the room, much less know what is going on.


Golden

Anonymous logprof December 14, 2016 12:26 PM  

I thought Mindy Kaling's show was not that funny, but she was very funny in The Office. (Whether it's comedy or drama, fitting into an ensemble takes a different skill set than playing a lead.) She also wrote a lot of very funny Office episodes, which may not be on the level of performing but has to count for something.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 14, 2016 12:27 PM  

I always found Anna Faris of the Scary movie franchise to be funny in a slapstick kind of way but I can't imagine her or any women doing stand up well.

Its just a male type of humor. Really that is the crux of the matter, generally men and women are different. Obvious here. Not so much up in that ivory tower.

Blogger Blue Tiger December 14, 2016 12:31 PM  

Stand up female comedians are in the top .01% of their craft if they can get a man to blow air out his nose once in their entire set. I've only met 2 women quick witted enough for me to call "funny", but only in situations that they were able to make dirty jokes based off what was happening around them/other people said. Unfortunately for these women who are so convinced they're a riot and men should love them for it, the fact that I dated both of them had nothing to do with their wit and everything to do with them being thin white women in their early 20's

Blogger Orville December 14, 2016 12:38 PM  

@76 I think we all know now that Stephen Colbert is a one-trick pony.

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 14, 2016 12:42 PM  

Triggered in four words: Women should be beautiful.

Blogger Dexter December 14, 2016 12:44 PM  

I'll let her in on a little secret, the guys that laughed at your jokes didn't do it cause they were funny, they did it cause they were trying to get in your pants.

Follow-up secret: they acted like your remarks were intelligent and interesting for the same reason.

Anonymous Just another commenter December 14, 2016 12:47 PM  

@23 - Could be a funny (if unintentionally so) read if you have a link to the article.

Whenever I read stories like this, I'm thankful for meeting the woman that became my wife. Not funny, but doesn't try to be. Comfortable enough with her appearance. Very honest, hardworking, caring, kind, trustworthy, diligent, careful, supportive, and smart enough and educated enough to contribute solidly to the relationship without having bought all the toxic feminist "career is everything" crap. She also thinks that most of the mean-girl games so man females play are insane. She was the first woman I'd met in years who made me think "this is a person that would make a great mother!" within an hour of meeting her. And she has been.

She just gives me "the look" when I make a joke (or at least an attempt at one); humor isn't a significant part of her mental state, and we're both totally OK with that. Cute but crazy just in't worth it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 14, 2016 1:06 PM  

Humor is a very interesting phenomenon in general. It's sneaky rhetoric, effecting persuasion with detached irony. Even more interesting is, this is how we emotionally process difficult realities into abstractions.

I know a very funny gal, but she's a lesbo with T-levels approaching my own and a knack for low-level programming. Not really representative of the gender.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 14, 2016 1:08 PM  

She's the one who coined the term "caveman otherkin" to encapsulate neanderthal theory.

Blogger Feather Blade December 14, 2016 1:12 PM  

I immediately ran into the living room and asked my boyfriend...

Why come no men want me?

...come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter-looking.


This is what gets me. She already has a boyfriend who, presumably, considers her sufficiently attractive, tolerable, and schtuppable to remain her boyfriend.

Why, for the love of little green apples, does she need to worry about being considered "hotter"? She's already achieved the objective of being "hot"!

Anonymous Athor Pel December 14, 2016 1:17 PM  

" 33. Blogger CM December 14, 2016 9:25 AM
...
To be able to laugh alongside our men is perhaps more valuable than to be able to crack jokes.
"


It's because you've accepted his frame. You decided to think as he thinks.
I'd lay money that you took his sense of humor and made it your own.
_____________________



" Maximo Macaroni December 14, 2016 10:26 AM
Women think that being funny is part of being intelligent and to say women aren't funny implies that women aren't intelligent. They're right.
"



Women have better verbal skills on average than men. Just like their sexuality women use their verbal skills for power. One of men's defenses is humor. That single word or short sentence uttered at exactly the right time that catches everyone off guard and completely disarms and deflates the women while generating gales of laughter from the men.

Most humor is based on being surprised. To surprise someone is to reach a conclusion and verbalize it before everyone else. That takes mental speed. Intentionally funny people are smart, or at least clever right then.

A consequence of this mental speed is that what surprises other people does not surprise the smart person. For most people going one step beyond the obivous is enough to get a laugh. The smarter the person the further down the chain and the more branches you need to take to get a laugh.

The great thing about getting old is you can substitute experience for smarts when talking to someone younger than you. All the old jokes are new.

Anonymous Rather, Not December 14, 2016 1:19 PM  

“I like to think that there’s hope for all the funny, single ladies out there.”

There is for the young, pretty and sweet ones.

Anonymous Athor Pel December 14, 2016 1:23 PM  

" Feather Blade December 14, 2016 1:12 PM
...
Why, for the love of little green apples, does she need to worry about being considered "hotter"? She's already achieved the objective of being "hot"!
"



You've stumbled on the eternal question.
We ask, "What do women want?"
The answer is always, "More."

Blogger Brian H December 14, 2016 1:24 PM  

My wife remarked that Ann Coulter might have a great personality to do standup in another life. Quick witted, biting, and perfectly comfortable in a hostile audience. A little focus and practice and I'd bet she'd be at least as good as 95% of the others.

Blogger Feather Blade December 14, 2016 1:24 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:sweetness is definitely highly valued. Especially when you get a little older, a little more experienced, and you realize firsthand just how aggravating "strong" bitchy women can be.

By which time the sweet woman is too old to be considered attractive. Oops! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Blogger Pauly Ester December 14, 2016 1:26 PM  

The UCSD professor is #2 on this page. She looks like a ton of nonjudgmental laughs

http://www.pc.rhul.ac.uk/sites/rheg/?page_id=435

Anonymous AR Sniper December 14, 2016 1:39 PM  

I once overheard my italian grandmother giving my then college girlfriend advice all women should heed.

'Keeping a man around is easy doll. Feed em, F*ck em & don't give them too much grief'

She was happily married to a hard working, handsome alpha for 50 years.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 14, 2016 1:40 PM  

@110
From that page there's this gem:

Other research interests include: Mechanisms of memory for social information; gender stereotypes on humor production; and replicability of menstrual cycle shift effects on attitudes and preferences.

Laugh? I thought I'd never start.

Anonymous Thomas777 December 14, 2016 1:52 PM  

Women aren't funny simply because comedy is the ultimate ''outsider art'' and women are the consummate 'insiders'.

Its the same reason Tom Brady (handsome, alpha-male, prime eugenic specimin) isn't funny but John Belushi (overweight, ugly, bizarre, prone-to-vice-and-gluttony outsider) was.

Comedy is the gallows humor of ugly, strange outsiders contemplating the world they cannot penetrate. It originates from a place that is ontologically opposite of being female.

Blogger VD December 14, 2016 1:54 PM  

Whenever I read stories like this, I'm thankful for meeting the woman that became my wife. Not funny, but doesn't try to be. Comfortable enough with her appearance. Very honest, hardworking, caring, kind, trustworthy, diligent, careful, supportive, and smart enough and educated enough to contribute solidly to the relationship without having bought all the toxic feminist "career is everything" crap. She also thinks that most of the mean-girl games so man females play are insane. She was the first woman I'd met in years who made me think "this is a person that would make a great mother!" within an hour of meeting her. And she has been.

I, too, am grateful. Thank you for this. I will sleep better tonight for knowing it.

Blogger GracieLou December 14, 2016 2:06 PM  

@Ellie, I feel your pain. I grew up in a house full of women, no father, which strangely made me less feminine because we were forced to do "male" things. If you didn't have an intact family with opposite sex role models you're just going to have to fake it till you make it. It gets easier especially if you genuinely love men and want to make them happy (don't say that out loud, it's a thought crime). Some tips:

Don't expect men to tell you what they really want (see: thought crime). Don't expect any information from your dad, he wants you to be wholesome. Don't expect a boyfriend to tell you, he won't risk bitch-wrath. What men usually want (in a wife) is a woman who is both wholesome and sexy in a non-botox cat-woman kind of way. Don't be afraid to browse the manosphere. A lot of honesty there. For example, I really didn't know men found high heels attractive until I read it and asked my husband (he confirmed). I never wore them because they screw up your knees if you run, but I would have occasionally, had I known. It won't kill you to play the bimbo every now and then, we all need our fantasies.

When men say they appreciate a woman with a sense of humor it means they like women who find them amusing. Which is part of having a feminine good nature. Zany is trying too hard.

Talking--I have a brain issue that makes it literally impossible for me to yap. Yap handicap makes you unpopular with women, but VERY popular with men. Keep that.

Learn to cook and be happy about it. Be clean, but don't be aspie. Nurture all the things!

Men vary in their taste for thickness, but keep in mind when a man says he hates "bone women" he almost never thinks fat rolls are cool, he means a solid layer of padding is desirable to him. If you think you will always struggle with weight find a man who likes that and set your goal for "solid fitness". Rolls mean diabetes, don't go there. My rule is I never dated a man who could fit into my pants, but that's just me.

Basic thing to remember is gender bending causes sexual ennui. You want to be opposite yet complimentary to the man. You don't want to be the man or get the man confused as to who the man is in the relationship. We all find that gross, on a subliminal level. Even little things. Example: I'm very handy. But I wait until my husband goes to work, then I fix the plumbing. For all he knows, leaks and washing machines magically fix themselves. Women who withhold sex cause housework (a lie but we'll go with it) don't want to see a man scrubbing a toilet. What they really want is a man who will hire help to scrub the toilet. If that's impossible--elves.

Men need physical affection. All men really want is a pet, some food and some peace, in the words of Cornershop, a bosom for a pillow.



Blogger CM December 14, 2016 2:27 PM  

It's because you've accepted his frame. You decided to think as he thinks.
I'd lay money that you took his sense of humor and made it your own.


Lol...

That understates it.

I still give him a hard time on making jokes at inappropriate times, but I'm not certain that's something wanting changing (except how far I dig in on it). He seems to derive pleasure out of getting my goat occasionally.

Is that a thing?

Blogger André Sanchez December 14, 2016 2:32 PM  

To be quite honest, I'm not sure women even know what humor is. I tried watching an all-female comedy show a few weeks ago. Oh, My, God... Ladies, there are better uses for that mouth.

Also, "the problem with him is that he went to a fancy restaurant and ordered chocolate milk"??

Blogger S. Misanthrope December 14, 2016 2:38 PM  

In fairness to this female journalist, I do find her article pretty damn funny.

"If funniness is an implement of power, women deserve access to it, too." Fair enough, as long as we concurrently work on short skirts becoming an implement of power for men. Deal?

I actually asked Sig. Other this same question, and I admit I was similarly horrified to find out that "funny" was nowhere on his list of desirable partner traits. I actually am funny (yes, yes, every woman thinks so; I know it for a fact because people who read my humor writing assume I'm male), and Sig. Other agrees, he just doesn't care. Oh, well.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT December 14, 2016 3:01 PM  

If funniness is an implement of power, women deserve access to it, too. If we acknowledge that these prejudices exist—that men’s humor is encouraged at the expense of women’s—is there anything we can do about it?

And all of a sudden the fall at Eden makes perfect sense.

If the knowledge of good and evil is an implement of power, women deserve access to it, too. If we acknowledge that these prejudices exist—that God’s knowledge is encouraged at the expense of women’s—is there anything we can do about it?

Honestly, I don't know how God cursed Adam. "The woman you put here with me" was a perfectly valid legal defense.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 14, 2016 3:02 PM  

Bamford is really funny because she is so screwed up that the audience is convinced she must be talking about someone else. Plus her voices are great. Is she still alive?

Ball. Anne Meara (with Jerry Stiller). Burnett. Bamford. Degeneres had way better material when she was in the closet. I don't think that is a random councidence.

Blogger Iron Spartan December 14, 2016 3:12 PM  

When an "artist" is forced to realize that they lack the talent to inspire, they are faced with two choices. They can quit, or they can try to find a substitute for talent. The most common substitute for talent is shock. Shock fades quickly, requiring ever deeper levels of degeneracy. Thus begins the spiral into self hatred.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 14, 2016 3:16 PM  

Also, "the problem with him is that he went to a fancy restaurant and ordered chocolate milk"??

She wondered if he was being cheap because he wasn't that into her. It sent her hamster spinning. Sounds like he was actually doing a pretty good job of gaming her, to me. Especially that "I just don't get you!" Women love to think they're complicated and mysterious and a guy is struggling to figure them out.

She thinks they spent several months trying to decide whether they liked each other. He knew whether he liked her on day one, and was just enjoying the sex until it ran out.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 14, 2016 3:24 PM  

Degeneres had way better material when she was in the closet.

You know, I remember seeing her and liking her way back in the early 90s, maybe on a Rodney Dangerfield special or something like that. I can't remember a single joke, though, so it's possible that I just liked her because she was a cute blonde (really, she was; no supermodel, but cute with hair down to her shoulders).

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 14, 2016 3:26 PM  

André Sanchez wrote:Also, "the problem with him is that he went to a fancy restaurant and ordered chocolate milk"??

Chuck Tingle?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable December 14, 2016 3:36 PM  

I, too, am grateful. Thank you for this. I will sleep better tonight for knowing it.

See, that just doesn't sound like Dark Lord material. But I really liked it.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen December 14, 2016 4:02 PM  

Women are funny... to laugh at.

Blogger Goy Rogers December 14, 2016 4:10 PM  

I've met lots of funny women...

"I never do this"

"I'm not drunk. I have bowleraymia"

"Really? I thought that was a heat rash"

"I'm married"

...hysterical.

Anonymous Discard December 14, 2016 4:16 PM  

Moe (((Miriam))) Howard was a trans person. Xe was funny.

Anonymous pink freud December 14, 2016 4:23 PM  

If you're not a pro, then humor is a light sauce best consumed in moderation, not a main course. If you're in a relationship where you're constantly cracking jokes at one another, there is something weird about your relationship. Even Gene Wilder admitted that he and Gilda Radner were not all that funny together around the house.

Blogger Bob Loblaw December 14, 2016 4:26 PM  

And women could stop dating men who don’t laugh at their jokes.

People, men and women, laugh at funny jokes. If you have to withhold sex to get a man to laugh at your jokes, he's not really laughing - he's pretending to laugh.

Eventually, you'll ask yourself why the men around you are so fake.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 14, 2016 5:41 PM  

68. CM December 14, 2016 10:46 AM
Of course... all that was from other girls. So, I suppose I should take that with a grain of salt.



well, yeah. haven't you seen 'Heathers'? mean girls being mean goes back before Cinderella.

1/2 the story lines on 'Little House on the Prairie' were about Nelly being a douche.

and a mean girl is going to treat a sweet girl as easy prey.



80. SemiSpook37 December 14, 2016 11:28 AM
partly because she's able to be self deprecating



this is related to the way women tend to view the world, as entirely a Social Dominance game.

they're never not playing a Social Dominance game, so they view humor as a *weapon* to be used to bludgeon other people into a lower social position with.

which, to be fair, it can be.

but in GREAT humor, you laugh WITH the artist. he may be laughing at you, but it's good natured ribbing and YOU get and appreciate the joke yourself.

female 'comedy', being a weapon, tends to revolve around putting someone else down and shitting on them, on those occasions when it's not them talking about themselves.

see Dalrock's post today about Schumer's skit on "M'lady" Gammas / Omegas. the entire thing is about how disgusting and revolting obsequious men ( trained to be so by the entire society and 'chivalry' ) are.


a woman who is willing to tell self-deprecating jokes about *herself* has already stepped out of the 'humor-as-weapon' model.


85. Undocumented Pharmacist December 14, 2016 11:59 AM
If a woman picks a thoughtless lout, thats on her.



actually, that should be on her father.

but that would involve getting back to Biblical doctrine about the father having final say on whether or not any particular man is permitted to marry his daughter ... and we can't have that.


116. CM December 14, 2016 2:27 PM
Is that a thing



*pinches cheek*

well aren't you just the most ADORABLE little thing ever?



118. S. Misanthrope December 14, 2016 2:38 PM
as long as we concurrently work on short skirts becoming an implement of power for men. Deal?



it's not my fault you're not Scots.

Blogger S. Misanthrope December 14, 2016 5:41 PM  

One thing that stands out about her act from most modern comedians of both sexes is how practiced she always is. I don't want to say scripted because that sounds negative, but she clearly works at getting the optimal phrasing and pithiness.

Blogger Teri December 14, 2016 5:47 PM  

Ellie,

Feminism really works against your best interests. I bought into it and don't have kids as a result. You won't be young forever. Make sure you don't wind up old and lonely.

I've always like to talk with guys, so I get where you are coming from. I'm not pushy and I try to learn from them. Realize that guys will be into things you don't find interesting. My late husband used to say men are 12 year old boys at heart.

The other advice is good. If you focus on looking more attractive, it will improve your self confidence. You don't want to be in khakis and polo shirts. Getting good at maintaining a relationship is way more important than dating. And I have always been interested in a guy that good make me laugh. It helps a lot.

Blogger S. Misanthrope December 14, 2016 5:49 PM  

First things first: lose weight, take better care of your appearance. There are endless resources available for free online to help you do those things. As was previously said here, appearance is the first filter you have to pass through. Don't stress after lesser issues until you've dealt with the major one.

Blogger Teri December 14, 2016 5:51 PM  

Two more quick thoughts. If you don't respect the guy, you're wasting your time. You need to respect each other if you want to keep a relationship going. And loyalty is huge. My stepson goes out with these floozies that don't think twice about cheating on him. Someone that is loyal to you won't cheat.

Blogger Robert What? December 14, 2016 5:52 PM  

Yes, sweetness and a pleasant disposition can make up for a lower physical SMV in many cases. I've seen it in real life marriages.

Blogger S. Misanthrope December 14, 2016 5:52 PM  

I've always loved that Rudner jokes about being fat when she's a rail. I've seen it seriously piss some insecure women off. Highly entertaining.

Anonymous BBGKB December 14, 2016 6:10 PM  

Orville I think we all know now that Stephen Colbert is a one-trick pony.

He denies that is him in the Tijuana video.

Also, "the problem with him is that he went to a fancy restaurant and ordered chocolate milk"??

He realized if he had a couple drinks he might be honest with her and never see her again.

Blogger S. Misanthrope December 14, 2016 6:18 PM  

Bob Hope made the case that women aren't perceived as funny even when they do something that would be perceived as hysterical if done by a man simply because men don't want to laugh at women. He said that men see women as potential mothers, and no one wants to laugh at the mother of their children (or their own mother).

Given how touchy women are, I'm sure most mothers beat any tendency to laugh at the matriarch out of their children pretty early on. So once again, women are complaining about the world they themselves created. Well done, ladies.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs December 14, 2016 6:27 PM  

Let me show my age: Gracie Allen (as in Burns and Allen). There were times she had me lying on the floor in a puddle of tears. And they did it without diving into vulgarity. Man, I miss radio.

Blogger SirHamster December 14, 2016 6:57 PM  

One Deplorable DT wrote:Honestly, I don't know how God cursed Adam. "The woman you put here with me" was a perfectly valid legal defense.

He was pretty happy when he got her. Alas, no take-backsies.

Blogger Badger Brigadon December 14, 2016 7:44 PM  

There's also a lot of humor in self-criticism, something most women are categorically incapable of... Even when they try, it usually comes off as insincere.

Blogger ace December 14, 2016 7:45 PM  

The method of the experiment the author used to prove that women were just as funny as men was somewhat suspect. If you had two equal size groups of people, one of which was retarded and the other of high intelligence, and asked them to write funny captions, the retarded group wouldn't even understand the that the intelligent group captions were better. They'd rate their retarded humor as superior.

Women generally are retards when it comes to humor. When they get together they laugh at each other and might come to the conclusion that they are really funny, but in mixed company this illusion is shattered.

If you get enough low-IQ men together a similar level of humor emerges as the sort you find in most groups of women. At a glance it seems that men are funnier even given less raw intelligence. They have a better algo.

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep December 14, 2016 8:18 PM  

Many comments on the article and on Instapundit seemed to completely focused on whether women really were funny. I commented, along the lines of Vox and Sailer, that even a slightly critical reading of the story showed that it was nothing more than another futile attempt to find some way to stop men from being attracted to pretty women.

Just look at the final line, which basically says "By force of will, we can overcome millions of years of evolution and make men stop wanting to fuck beautiful women." The problem isn't that men don't value humor, it's that they're repulsed by self-absorbed delusion.

Blogger KSC December 14, 2016 9:02 PM  

@131

I don't see the Dalrock post you're referring to on his site; is it perhaps a different writer?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 14, 2016 9:24 PM  

Sam Hyde?

Blogger Marie December 14, 2016 9:57 PM  

Another problem is how women use humor among themselves. Women tend to laugh at other women's jokes more based on their relationship/the effort made/the situation more than whether the joke was funny.

It is part of how women bond with each other. One takes a risk telling a joke, the other rewards with a laugh. After time they develop a sense of humor that suits both of them. Which is why best friends can always be found giggling away at something stupid.

Men are different. Which is why getting a genuine laugh out of them is so rewarding.

Blogger bob kek mando: i can't be racist. why, some of my best friends are ((( Literally Hitler ))). { Vox Gayness intensifies } December 15, 2016 12:19 AM  

141. SirHamster December 14, 2016 6:57 PM
He was pretty happy when he got her. Alas, no take-backsies.



the Jews disagree.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Lilith



145. KSC December 14, 2016 9:02 PM
I don't see the Dalrock post you're referring to on his site; is it perhaps a different writer?



thou shalt have no other Dalrock before him.

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/12/14/courtly-love-the-origins-of-cuckchivalry/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 15, 2016 2:18 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Although, to be fair, I've seen a few who are marginally funnier than Stephen Colbert.
Wait a minnit! Colbert is supposed to be funny? Wow, now there's a failed effort. You'd think he'd give up after this many years.
You gotta admire persistence, but after enough time it starts to look like stupidity or malice.

Blogger wreckage December 15, 2016 3:47 AM  

I blame the matriarchy. I'm not even joking. Women can certainly be funny but if you laugh at the wrong line, especially if you're male, you will be on the outer with the sisterhood.

Whereas if you laugh at the wrong line from a guy, somebody will make mileage out of it.

My final thought is that much laugh-out-loud humour tends to be "safed" social transgression. Women are less comfortable with that, and of course, the social penalties for accidentally crossing the line into ACTUAL transgression are much more severe in female peer groups than male.

Women who think that the enemies of women are concentrated in a single gender are correct. It's just that it's not men. It's other women.

Blogger Roger Hill December 15, 2016 5:19 AM  

The wife and I used to go to a local comedy club for an occasional night out. Those evenings would typically end with a romantic grand finale. Of course I we would plan these nights without even looking into who was booked to perform.

The one time the night did not pan out as expected was when two female comedians performed. Neither of us was entertained in the slightest. Neither of us felt much like romance.

I never saw the place so dead. Everyone politely chuckled and lightly applauded on cue - there must be something about female comedians that disarms hecklers from the start. But that was the worst 90 minutes of 'professional' standup I ever witnessed. And it really put a damper on our night, worse than a cold shower.

Blogger Dexter December 15, 2016 10:56 AM  

'Keeping a man around is easy doll. Feed em, F*ck em & don't give them too much grief'

This is pretty much the opposite of the program of the average American wife: no food, no fucking, lots of nagging, whining, and carping.

OpenID lostsailor32 December 15, 2016 11:13 AM  

The primary reason most women aren't funny is they all too frequently confuse humor with sarcasm. And who likes a sarcastic woman...?

Blogger Boko Harambe December 15, 2016 2:29 PM  

Ellie, take the advice you've been given. If you don't wear makeup, start, but learn how to wear it correctly, so you accentuate your features. No need to pave over everything. Minor flaws can become quirky, beloved features if you accept them and downplay them. There are thousands of YouTube vids on application techniques, just beware those who completely change their face via too much contouring, strobing, or structuring. Your face is not to be a push up bra, advertising false goods. Take your natural features and improve, don't mask.

And figure out your figure (i.e., how to dress for your shape) and your seasonal colors, i.e., what colors best flatter your skin tone, hair, and eye color. If your hair is short, grow it out. Extremely fine or limp hair may be best worn in a medium length layered bob for manageability and body, but face shape determines hair style. If you are overweight and cannot see your cheekbones, don't go shorter than shoulder length. Layers are usually any woman's friend but hair texture and face shape determine the cut. Don't follow a trend mindlessly.

You hunt. I hunt, if I can. Meaning, once I had kids, many of my "more masculine pursuits" were reduced to what they really are: a means to relate to my preferred type of man, and keep him. I'm far happier as a mom than as a hunter, but when I get the opportunity I head to the woods. I love nature, but find that now the urge is satisfied by camping with the children, showing them how to observe, teaching them the skills.

read the manosphere widely, don't get butt hurt over every trivial thought, and be honest with yourself. Real talk stings at first, but is therapeutic.

Blogger Avalanche December 15, 2016 7:49 PM  

"You don't want to be the man or get the man confused as to who the man is in the relationship."

A ship can only have one captain. Being first mate / second in command is a wonderful 'position' to the right man. Try: Dr. Pat Allen "Getting to I Do"; Alison Armstrong (any videos, her book "Keys to the Kingdom"), and (weirdly) Michele Weiner-Davis: "Divorce Busters" -- for a superb "education."

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