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Saturday, December 31, 2016

Told ya

Remember when Ronda Rousey claimed she was good enough to not only fight Floyd Mayweather, but beat him? That was every bit as dumb as everyone who knows anything about women's martial arts capabilities said it was at the time:
Ronda Rousey was once again pummeled by a striker and lost her second consecutive bout. The former women’s bantamweight champion was completely outclassed in the striking game by Amanda Nunes, who stopped Rousey at 48 seconds of the first round to retain her women’s bantamweight championship in the main event of UFC 207 at T-Mobile Arena.

Nunes landed a big right just seconds into the fight that clearly hurt Rousey, who was fighting for the first time since a stunning defeat at the hands of Holly Holm on Nov. 14, 2015.

Rousey tried to throw punches with Nunes, but she had nothing to offer. Nunes was blistering her with combinations, hitting her with virtually everything she threw.
As I said at the time, Rousey not only couldn't last a round with Floyd, she couldn't last a round with me. Even trained women are weaker than 13 year-old-boys, they're much slower than 13-year-old boys, and they don't take punches as well.

Remember that. Every time you talk about how the latest female fighter du jour can take on a champion boxer or whoever, you're essentially claiming that a really tough 11-year-old can beat the man. It's not merely wrong to do so, it's stupid and dangerous.

And notice that Nunes landed 23 of 35 strikes on a largely defenseless Rousey, but still didn't put her down.

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Blogger Mastermind December 31, 2016 4:38 AM  

A sober reminder for people who like to run their mouth off (including me) that this is what happens when your arrogance does not match your actual skills. Rousey thought she was the female Muhammad Ali. She's not. The only thing people love more than an asshole who keeps winning is watching an asshole faceplant.

Anonymous Laz December 31, 2016 4:42 AM  

"And notice that Nunes landed 23 of 35 strikes on a largely defenseless Rousey, but still didn't put her down."

This is why I don't watch the women's fights. It's very rare to see a KO.

Anonymous JAG December 31, 2016 4:47 AM  

She believed her own hype. That was her undoing.

Anonymous cheddarman December 31, 2016 4:48 AM  

Nunes face looks like a tranny or a woman who has done a lot of steroids,

Anonymous Hesiod December 31, 2016 4:51 AM  

But, but, but a buck-and-a-quarter Lagertha will kick all male Viking ass and become Queen!

Anonymous Autistic Anti-Hero December 31, 2016 4:53 AM  

Talk shit, get hit. And hit, and hit, and hit again. Kek!

Blogger Mighty Lou December 31, 2016 5:00 AM  

UFC is a sport that really chews people up and spits them out. Rousey should just retire at this point. She's lucky if she can get any commercial work.

Rousey was promoted well, and that's why people loved her or loved to hate her. Nunes is boring and I doubt she will be half as popular or

UFC is really a one man team, where the chances of success and continued success are very slim.

This may be why performance enhancing drug use has been such a problem.

But fighters train very hard, and invest so much into their fighting careers with very little payout,and for most of them they are just stepping stones for the very few chpampions.

One finger nail to a retina, one deliberate arm break, one too many shots to the head and it's all over; the fighter is left permanently disabled and in many cases without any other marketable skills to make a living with.

So, I have mixed feelings about the sport.

On the one hand I can respect the display of years of training, commient, and disipline in the martial arts, but most of the time what we are really seeing are two thugs with very little of any that just pummel each other bloody.

Blogger Bogey December 31, 2016 5:01 AM  

In that video Rousey made a B-line for the exit, didn't even turn around to congratulate her opponent.

Blogger Bogey December 31, 2016 5:03 AM  

@Lou You should watch that last Conor McGregor fight, it was a thing a beauty.

Blogger Mighty Lou December 31, 2016 5:13 AM  

@Bogey, I'll check it out.

Blogger Mighty Lou December 31, 2016 5:14 AM  

@Bogey,

On Rousey's behavior after losing: reminds me of Hillary.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit December 31, 2016 5:22 AM  

I did karate with the Yard Ape. I could sometimes trounce teenage boys because "years of discipline" vs. ... well teenagers.

But no-one watching a white-belt adult male's punch on the wossnsme, free-standing punching bag we use, vs the Brown- and Black-belt women's hits would put them in an MMA free-for-all.

You'd have to be sick or deluded. Or both.

Anonymous Dan December 31, 2016 5:35 AM  

I have nothing against Ronda, but the fact that she is a feminist icon put a smile on my face everytime she had her face punched.

Blogger The Kurgan December 31, 2016 5:54 AM  

Nunes is actually an accurate striker as far as it goes, but yes, time to make a couple of films that have some realism when it comes to men and women fighters.
The insanity of the last few decades needs reversing.

Blogger Chris Jackson December 31, 2016 6:02 AM  

Gender obviousness aside, what's the problem with Rousey's game? Seems like her strength is grappling, so she would do well to defend, weather the storm, get inside the Striker's range and take the fight to the ground.

Seems like she didn't learn her lesson with Holm.

Anonymous Bz December 31, 2016 6:12 AM  

I consider women fighting like this for money to be yet another degenerate spectacle of our age.

Anonymous Nick December 31, 2016 6:37 AM  

@Bz make that women fighting at ALL, most knuckle-dragging "men" these days would sooner whip out a phone to record a girl fight for World Star Hip Hop than stop it or at the very least turn away and leave the scene

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 31, 2016 7:00 AM  

One more consecutive loss and she is out.

Which means they are going to have to dig up some paraplegic for her to fight next.

Blogger JACIII December 31, 2016 7:05 AM  

Nick wrote:@Bz make that women fighting at ALL, most knuckle-dragging "men" these days would sooner whip out a phone to record a girl fight for World Star Hip Hop than stop it or at the very least turn away and leave the scene

Leave? They're hoping a titty will pop out.

Blogger Boko Harambe December 31, 2016 7:18 AM  

@15 Nunes said as much. Rousey is not a boxer, if she's not fighting on the ground she can't win. Nunes is the superior striker, it's obvious watching the few seconds of the fight that happened.

Many of my friends are wailing and gnashing teeth on FB. The hype around her made a lot of my female MMA friends blind to Rouseys weaknesses. A lot of women in my circle take martial arts training of some sort and believe their own hype, too, and underestimate their own weaknesses. Dangerous all around, if any serious threat presented itself. These women really, truly believe they'd be ok if they got jumped in a dark alley. Not only would they be ok. They'd beat their attacker to a pulp. Unhealthy.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 31, 2016 7:24 AM  

Semi-pro tip for writers of female characters: Hand-to-hand isn't plausible without surprise, unless it's against another woman. Ranged weapons work, if they aren't too heavy. Surprise works. If writing SF, psi works. But the Kung-fu princess? Don't make us laugh.

Anonymous wEz December 31, 2016 7:31 AM  

If Floyd Mayweather wanted to ko Rousey in 20 sec he could any day of the week. That goes for all female fighters. I don't think he was hurt or in trouble his whole career against the best men in the world, yet some broad with a 1/5th his speed and strength could beat him in mma. Delusional. I still laugh at friends who used believe this nonsense.

Anonymous Fisher December 31, 2016 7:36 AM  

Bit of a sidebar:

Rousey suffers from bad coaching and never having recovered psychologically from Holmes.

When a fighter (a part of whose training is self-delusion) gets their ass handed to them after a string of victories, the doubt creeps in, sets up shop and starts running the show. I imagine this is triply so for most female fighters.

(Physical) injuries have the same affect (c.f. Tito Ortiz after he hurt his back as an exemplar). Most are just never quite the same again, especially when they were not all they were cracked-up to be in the first place.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 31, 2016 7:37 AM  

Chris Jackson wrote:Gender obviousness aside, what's the problem with Rousey's game? Seems like her strength is grappling, so she would do well to defend, weather the storm, get inside the Striker's range and take the fight to the ground.

Seems like she didn't learn her lesson with Holm.


She needs a better gym.

Blogger rondolf December 31, 2016 7:38 AM  

Mayweather was staggered once in his career against Shane Mosley. He recovered almost immediately.

Blogger Some Dude December 31, 2016 7:46 AM  

Well, I don't think McGregor would beat Mayweather in a boxing match either for what its worth. But I would be optimistic Rousey could beat Mayweather in a MMA fight. I've seen women beat guys.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 7:51 AM  

Well, I don't think McGregor would beat Mayweather in a boxing match either for what its worth. But I would be optimistic Rousey could beat Mayweather in a MMA fight. I've seen women beat guys.

You're a TOTAL fucking moron. You know absolutely nothing about mixed martial arts. I could not only beat Rousey in an MMA match, I could literally kill her in less than 30 seconds. And I'm older, slower, and less skilled than Mayweather.

If you've never boxed or sparred with women, you really, really, really need to shut the fuck up about this stuff.

You've never seen a woman beat a trained fighter in a real match, let alone a real fight. Because it does not happen. I am 48 and I will not hesitate to take on any professional female fighter in a full-contact match, without any training, for the princely sum of $1.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable December 31, 2016 7:56 AM  

I am 48 and I will not hesitate to take on any professional female fighter in a full-contact match, without any training, for the princely sum of $1.

Now THAT would be a Brainstorm I'd pay for.

Anonymous Fisher December 31, 2016 7:57 AM  

Some Dude wrote:I've seen women beat guys.

^ This.

My 20-year-old daughter can put most men that outweigh her by 80 pounds on their head because she knows how to.

It is, in the end, of course, a matter of trained vs. untrained tempered by inherent physical attributes.

And boxing v. MMA is apples and pomegranates.

Anonymous CoolHand December 31, 2016 8:00 AM  

She may have gotten her ass handed to her, but she left with said ass and four mil for her trouble.

Sounds like an OK deal to me.

I'd certainly entertain getting my ass kicked for less than a minute in exchange for four million dollars.

For six I'd wear a tutu while it happened. lol

She ought to stop now though.

She's pretty enough right now to be a female action movie star for several more years ($$$), but only if she stops trying to break people's hands with her face.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 31, 2016 8:03 AM  

Has she done Dancing With The Stars yet?

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 8:03 AM  

My 20-year-old daughter can put most men that outweigh her by 80 pounds on their head because she knows how to.

No, she can't. They're letting her do it. You clearly don't understand how judo training works.

FFS, it's not real fighting. It's not even real sparring.

Would you dare let her spar full-contact with me? If not, you know you're talking nonsense.

And boxing v. MMA is apples and pomegranates.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Boxing is a subset of MMA. Boxers are nearly as hard to fight as wrestlers. They're fast with their hands and very good about not getting grabbed. Good strikers will beat all but the best grapplers, as Nunes demonstrated with Rousey.

Blogger Some Dude December 31, 2016 8:04 AM  

I've trained in MMA and sparred with women and men of various weight classes. Rousey has beaten guys before in sparring, it's not like she has never sparred with a man dummy. Google it.

MMA is about technique. A black belt MMA fighter will beat a boxer if it goes to the ground. At that point it is the 11 year old child against the man, in terms of knowing what to do.

The question is whether she could bring Mayweather to the ground. Not whether she could win a standing boxing fight, which she can't do with some women.

For that matter, an equally conditioned MMA fighter tends to always beat a boxer.

I have no idea if you would beat Rousey or women.

This is an example of ideology making you spit all over the keyboard rather than doing a 10 second google search.

Blogger Some Dude December 31, 2016 8:06 AM  

How mush u waaneer bet Rousey hiz a higher TeeLevel tah suumm men Voxxy?

How mussh u wanna bet some black womenz hav high t level than some men of veracious other races walking around in a shoppin mall Voxxy.

Blogger Nara December 31, 2016 8:07 AM  

Her hype train was sickening in it's delusion. The list of male opponents she could beat was endless: heavyweight champion, boxing champion and most of the bantamweight division. Compare the way she faced her loss with Conor McGregor. He took it on the chin and said let's go again and won.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 31, 2016 8:09 AM  

Hesiod wrote:But, but, but a buck-and-a-quarter Lagertha will kick all male Viking ass and become Queen!

Ha! You beat me to the Vikings reference. Yep, this Girrrllll Power nonsense is absurd and is dangerous. The notion that the Vikings sent their young women out to war is laughable. Even if you bought the notion that they could hack it at all, no 8th century peoples would risk their baby makers that way.

They friggen ruined what could have been a great series with all the typical lefty crap - again.

Blogger Felix Bellator December 31, 2016 8:28 AM  

My 20-year-old daughter can put most men that outweigh her by 80 pounds on their head because she knows how to.

Yeah, right. There are weight classes in fighting sports for a reason. And separation by sex for others. Get her out of whatever BS gym she is in because if your statement is true they suck.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/watch-ronda-rousey-lose-her-055255036.html

I thought Rousey was some sort of judoka, she might have tried using that. Nunes was swinging away like a drunken brawler and leading with her face. She practically ran wide open to catch Rousey at 00:13. That wasn't the Sweet Science, that was the Bitter Sweet Science with two jiggers of bitters.

Anonymous Jim Scrummy December 31, 2016 8:28 AM  

Rousey can't box, period. She's a grappler with very limited fighting skills. The women who can box in MMA have her figured out. She's done, thankfully.

Anonymous Fisher December 31, 2016 8:31 AM  

No, she can't. They're letting her do it.

Yes, she can, actually. And no, they're not. Leverage is leverage is leverage. She's even taken my leg a few times.

FFS, it's not real fighting. It's not even real sparring.

When it is it is.

Would you dare let her spar full-contact with me? If not, you know you're talking nonsense.

I might, actually lol. Regardless, it's likely she can get your legs out from under you, especially, if as you say, you're untrained.

Boxing is a subset of MMA.

Of course. However, striking in MMA is a bit of a different animal (which is why it is referred to as "striking").

Boxers are nearly as hard to fight as wrestlers. They're fast with their hands and very good about not getting grabbed. Good strikers will beat all but the best grapplers, as Nunes demonstrated with Rousey.

This is patently false, Vox. C.f. the early, 'raw' days of the UFC when it was basically a free-for-all of Martial Art vs. Martial Art; when strikers had no take-down defense or grappling training.

Indeed, the very reason why everyone started learning Gracie Jujitsu is because of the utter dominance displayed by Royce Gracie against boxers and what were generally significantly larger men. (It's physics and it works for females, too.)

Afterwards, there was a bit of a 'grace period' in which grapplers were beating everyone that got put in front of them, almost regardless of size (e.g. BJ Penn was fighting men twice his size, for example).

You're not wrong, per se. But, and again, it's a matter of trained vs. untrained tempered by inherent physical attributes.

Anonymous Credo_In_Unum_Deum December 31, 2016 8:34 AM  

Your average woman has no fucking clue how much upper-body strength men have.

Lifting weights is about as non-biased as you can get, the weight is either lifted or it isn't.

Look at this chart of weight-lifting standards.:

http://strengthlevel.com/strength-standards/bench-press

According to that chart, a 160 lbs woman should be able to bench press about 220 lbs and be considered "elite." (NOTE: That ISN'T like that Russian bench pressing chick who arches her back, and has a range of motion of about 3 inches and if she wasn't cute no one would care about her... That's flat back on the bench, touch the chest, and then all the way back up.)

For a 160 lbs man, 316 POUNDS is elite.

Blogger Bogey December 31, 2016 8:52 AM  

@39 I assume the game has changed a bit since then. They were experienced grapplers but not the greatest strikers.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 9:08 AM  

I've trained in MMA and sparred with women and men of various weight classes. Rousey has beaten guys before in sparring, it's not like she has never sparred with a man dummy. Google it.

No, she hasn't. I've seen those videos of her "beating" men. The men weren't even trying.

Yes, she can, actually. And no, they're not. Leverage is leverage is leverage. She's even taken my leg a few times.

Bullshit. You're her daddy. You're actively trying not to hurt her, let alone seriously trying to hurt her.

You guys are not only pathetic, you are literally dangerous to women by encouraging them in their false impression of their capabilities.

I might, actually lol. Regardless, it's likely she can get your legs out from under you, especially, if as you say, you're untrained.

Fine. Have her let me know the next time she's in Europe and we'll arrange to film a round. I'm not untrained, I have six years in heavy contact martial arts. I've not only beaten a few female black belts, none of them ever even managed to touch me.

I'll even pull my strikes enough to avoid knocking her out or breaking anything.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 9:10 AM  

This is patently false, Vox. C.f. the early, 'raw' days of the UFC when it was basically a free-for-all of Martial Art vs. Martial Art; when strikers had no take-down defense or grappling training.

I saw all the early ones. They had top-notch grapplers fighting mediocre boxers. Nobody was going up against Tyson or Holyfield.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 9:14 AM  

This is an example of ideology making you spit all over the keyboard rather than doing a 10 second google search.

It's not ideology, it's experience. How many women have you punched in the face? How many have you seen crumple to the ground in front of you from nothing more than a single jab?

I know exactly how easy it is to beat down a trained woman. I've done it more than two dozen times.

Anonymous Fisher December 31, 2016 9:15 AM  

VD wrote:I am 48 and I will not hesitate to take on any professional female fighter in a full-contact match, without any training, for the princely sum of $1.

VD wrote:I'm not untrained, I have six years in heavy contact martial arts.

^

At any rate: Then why would I encourage her to fight you...?

This is a clinic in talking at cross purposes.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 31, 2016 9:26 AM  

I'll add, Rousey tried to cinch up and grapple twice, and failed. Got slipped/thrown off. (Although the second time she was already half out on her feet.)

Some grapplers with limited stand-up skills keep low to the ground, crouching, kneeling, shooting continually, falling back on their ass and inviting the opponent to come in and grapple. In the UFC playing lay-down loses you points so you have to win by submission.

Rousey never managed to shoot for the legs here, so I think she was trying to play boxing to get close which has worked for her against her lesser opponents. Just not here.

Blogger dadofhomeschoolers December 31, 2016 9:28 AM  

A story that might have be relevant. Years ago I was with a group of women that were in "training in order to defend themselves". I was told to hold out my arm. I did as asked and the largest one tugged. Her eyes grew wide when I didn't move and she said "you're supposed to flip over and fall down".

Blogger Cail Corishev December 31, 2016 9:31 AM  

The myth of Rousey beating a man should have ended with her first loss. It was just barely possible for clueless-but-sensible people to believe a woman existed who was enough of a freak of nature that she could beat a man, as long as she crushed all her female opponents. But as soon as she lost to Holm, who turned right around and lost to another chick who had losses of her own, that meant if Rousey could beat a man, any of these chicks possibly could. Who's going to believe that?

I'm no expert on MMA or UFC, but when I happen to catch a chick fight while waiting for a real one, I see technical skill, but without enough strength and speed to damage a man. When men fight, you see punches that make you think, "Whoa, that had to hurt. How is he still standing?" You never see that power from a woman. They only hurt each other because women are more easily hurt.

Whatever the reason people like to watch chick matches, it's not because it's good fighting in any way comparable to the men's.

Anonymous Fisher December 31, 2016 9:32 AM  

VD wrote:I saw all the early ones. They had top-notch grapplers fighting mediocre boxers. Nobody was going up against Tyson or Holyfield.

There were no "top-notch" grapplers. There was a top-notch grappler; then a family of top-notch grapplers; then those that aped, hybridized and evolved the innovation precisely because a good pugilist doesn't stand a chance against even a mediocre grappler. The game has of course changed now that MMA is MMA: i.e. mediocre grapplers cannot compete with good boxers that understand take-down defense or are, themselves, mediocre grapplers or better (etc and on with the permutations).

I'm not saying anything new or controversial, here.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 31, 2016 9:32 AM  

Boxing is a subset of MMA. Boxers are nearly as hard to fight as wrestlers. They're fast with their hands and very good about not getting grabbed. Good strikers will beat all but the best grapplers, as Nunes demonstrated with Rousey.

Terrible comparison. Rousey is beyond pathetic on her feet. She has one weapon and when punched just stands there like a heavy bag.

But to your point that boxers are nearly as hard to fight as wrestlers... hoo boy. Look, I know you're biased toward the striking arts having trained them, but that statement is ignorant. A wrestler is trained from day one to close the distance against guys who are skilled at countering shots. In the history of the UFC pure boxers have faired far (far, far) worse than pure wrestlers, while wrestling has emerged as the most important foundational art.

These are different technologies designed to operate at different ranges, and with different objectives. That's why Rousey had so much early success. She was technologically superior to the women at the time, having high level Judo. But now she's been exposed as her competition has improved faster than she has.

And before you acuse me too of being stupid, I've trained and taught Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Judo for nearly 20 years, and I currently train at a world class gym that has a number of very successful MMA fighters. I spar with all of them regularly, and while I'm not a striker, I train with gloves regularly against good strikers. Closing the distance and getting a hold of a pure boxer with no grappling experience is not very hard. I've done it many times, and I've seen many a boxer walk in the door to learn MMA. They always get their asses handed to them until they learn to grapple. It's the grappling that allows their boxing to be successful because they can prevent the takedown, not the other way around.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 9:33 AM  

At any rate: Then why would I encourage her to fight you...?

Because you're full of shit, as I assumed. You're so clueless that you don't realize that it is completely untrained men who are more likely to harm your daughter because they have no control over their strikes. The female black belts never sparred any man below green in order to avoid getting hurt.

You don't even understand fighter terminology. "Without any training" doesn't mean "I have never fought and have no clue what I'm doing", it means "without doing the usual pre-fight preparation".

Without pre-fight training, your reflexes are slower. The last ringfight I did without any training, I got my nose broken in the initial exchange. I still won, but it took a little while to get fully into the groove.

Have you or your daughter ever even taken a single punch or kick to the head?

Blogger Cail Corishev December 31, 2016 9:42 AM  

She's pretty enough right now to be a female action movie star for several more years ($$$), but only if she stops trying to break people's hands with her face.

I don't know about that. She could be Cynthia Rothrock, who was a star in Hong Kong but never broke into the A-list in America, but would there be any point in that with the millions she already has? Maybe if she enjoys it, I guess.

Action chicks in Hollywood don't have to be real fighters anymore; they just need to know some moves, and the rest is done in editing. If they can make Milla Jovovich look like she's kicking guys' lights out, what do they need Rousey for?

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind December 31, 2016 9:43 AM  

Rousey's front kick at the end was a joke and was what lead to her downfall. She attempted a front snap kick with her weight committed backwards. Not only an ineffective kick (looked like a total beginner's), but it made her opponents punch all the more effective as she was falling back and could not defend herself.
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I don't care if you are a man or a woman, 80 lbs is a huge weight advantage and hard to overcome. Doubly so for a woman.

Most men don't go anywhere near all out on women. Probably the only martial art I know of where they might and weight is less of an issue is kendo because it is a weapon based art and it uses a point scoring system. My experience there is that even there men holdback on the body strikes and pushes.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 9:47 AM  

But to your point that boxers are nearly as hard to fight as wrestlers... hoo boy. Look, I know you're biased toward the striking arts having trained them, but that statement is ignorant. A wrestler is trained from day one to close the distance against guys who are skilled at countering shots. In the history of the UFC pure boxers have faired far (far, far) worse than pure wrestlers, while wrestling has emerged as the most important foundational art.

I've beaten every single pure wrestler I've ever sparred. My sensei was, in addition to his black belt, a champion high school wrestler; our style incorporated a fair amount of basic grapples and throws in addition to the shorin ruy strikes and kali blocks. That being said, I expect some of our favorite techniques for dealing with wrestlers are probably illegal in competition; I know the 12-6 elbow is. I can assure you that you don't see a wrestler try to grab you by the waist twice after he takes a direct elbow shot or two to the back.

I've seen many a boxer walk in the door to learn MMA. They always get their asses handed to them until they learn to grapple.

That's because you've fought boxers and they haven't fought wrestlers. Anyone is easy to beat when they're not familiar with your style. Send a wrestler into a boxing gym and he'll be even more helpless. Everyone gets their asses handed to them until they get a handle on the basics.

I have a great deal of respect for grapplers. My son did judo for years and our best pure fighter was a black belt in jujitsu as well as our mixed style. But striking is every bit as important as grappling, and the superior fighter can punch, kick, and grapple well. Also, in my experience, grapplers tend to underestimate speed. You can't grab what you can't see coming in time.

A good grappler could almost certainly close with me now, but back when I was also running a 10.6 100m, I could stay clear of a grappler and punch him in the face at will.

Blogger Matt December 31, 2016 9:49 AM  

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".

Blogger pyrrhus December 31, 2016 9:52 AM  

At West Point, they found that female cadets were less than 50% as strong as men in the upper body, which agrees with my rough estimate. Women cannot grapple with men, or punch like men.Case closed.....

Blogger Dave December 31, 2016 10:04 AM  

Fisher wrote:
VD wrote:I am 48 and I will not hesitate to take on any professional female fighter in a full-contact match, without any training, for the princely sum of $1.

VD wrote:I'm not untrained, I have six years in heavy contact martial arts.

^

At any rate: Then why would I encourage her to fight you...?

This is a clinic in talking at cross purposes.



Everyone here knew exactly what Vox meant with "without any training". You'd be better off to just come clean and admit it was a very weak attempt to extricate yourself.

We should get some crowdfunding going because I for one am now quite interested in seeing your daughter spar with Vox. How about it? Your daughter will get to see Europe, meet Vox; it's a win-win.

Blogger Jose December 31, 2016 10:13 AM  

Sorry, VD, but you're wrong: with the appropriate martial art, any woman can beat a man [not using said martial art].

The appropriate martial art is the acquisition and correct operation of a firearm: double shot center mass to disable, contact shot to the head to finish (take that, ballistic vest with ceramic chest "chicken" plate). I saw that in a movie.

I gather that's why feminists are at the vanguard of liberalizing firearm laws and pushing for more self-reliant defensive and situational awareness training of the general population. Oh, wait... what?

Other than that, I can only observe that the males of the species seem to be so much stronger than the females that they compete in separate athletic events for a reason. As an over-[the hill]-grumble-year-old male powerlifter, I would have to out-lift the female powerlifting world-record totals on all-classes to qualify, not for an international, not for a national, not for a regional, but for a local meet. Most college track teams have a few male sprinters who run the 100m & 400m faster than the women's world record. Even some high-school track teams. And on it goes.

It's almost as if different sexes evolved for specialized purposes in support of their different reproductive abilities and relative scarcity thereof.

Anonymous Fisher December 31, 2016 10:21 AM  

Have you or your daughter ever even taken a single punch or kick to the head?

I've been involved with and trained various Martial Arts for 31 years, Vox. And not just some kata.

I'm struggling to find a point to the question, however, and the discussion seems to be trending towards 'my anecdote can beat up your anecdote' which is uninteresting.



Anonymous BrerFox December 31, 2016 10:21 AM  

I'm sure that a woman can throw a man 80 lbs larger than her, if she has proper technique. I've been on the receiving end of that- during practice. And even at the sack of potatoes into a mat level of resistance, you can feel the difference when a man does it. But with any degree of resistance being allowed? Even guys on their first visit had no problem staying on their feet against females who had been training for years.

Anonymous Apollyon December 31, 2016 10:24 AM  

without any training clearly means he does not require a set amount of time to train for the fight. 6 years of training means he has experience.

Context is everything

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 10:32 AM  

I've been involved with and trained various Martial Arts for 31 years, Vox. And not just some kata.

You didn't answer the question. Have you ever taken a single punch or kick to the head while sparring? Has your daughter?

I've been KO'd. I've broken and bloodied noses. I've won and lost public ringfights. I've also fought real fights in night clubs and had my arms covered in the other guy's blood from my fingertips to my elbows.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. You don't.

Blogger Gapeseed December 31, 2016 10:37 AM  

I had this discussion once with a feminist regarding basketball. She was crowing about how much smarter the women players are with their crisp passing and disciplined play and I told her that she could pick a team of 12 WNBA all-time players and I would beat the daylights out of her team with the McDonalds High School All American boys in an epic dunkfest. Nothing since has dissuaded me from this view; in fact, I was probably not being bold enough.

Blogger Jose December 31, 2016 10:41 AM  

Gapeseed wrote:I told her that she could pick a team of 12 WNBA all-time players and I would beat the daylights out of her team with the McDonalds High School All American boys in an epic dunkfest.

Didn't this happen with some national football (soccer for americans) women's team and a sub-15 male local team?

Yes, yes it did: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html

OpenID brefaucheux December 31, 2016 10:42 AM  

I'm a woman and I did Krav Maga for several years. I couldn't agree more with this blog post. Even in training, the guys always went at about a quarter of their actual strength against the girls. And when a guy was hitting too hard or being too aggressive, the instructors and advanced students would kick their ass to knock their ego down. Even in training the men were protecting the women. But the girls always left thinking they could knock down a huge man. It was sad.
Knowing baseline self defense is good, but the women had a definite false sense of their own capabilities. It makes me hate these "strong female leads" in so many YA novels.

Anonymous Bob Just December 31, 2016 10:48 AM  

The best VD-like analysis of MMA, I've found is by Jack Slack. Not so much on the predictions like VD, but on optimum strategy for each fighter and analysis of strengths and weaknesses.

I think people were equating "Ronda would win in a fight" with "if Floyd were put in an armbar- would he tap out"?

VD- Gabi Garcia "looks" scary (like a young Cro-Cop) and she just beat a ~50ish Yumiko Hotta. I don't know, throw in a couple of eye pokes/gouge and nut-shots and things might get interesting




Blogger VD December 31, 2016 10:48 AM  

Even in training the men were protecting the women. But the girls always left thinking they could knock down a huge man. It was sad.

It's very difficult for men to overcome that instinct. We didn't fully overcome it, but at least we did hit them hard enough to knock them down. Ironically, when our best female fighter finally sparred against women in a tournament for the first time, she not only won it, but hurt two of her three opponents. She said she couldn't believe how slow they were.

Anonymous Bob Just December 31, 2016 10:51 AM  

Vox,

If Milo's next book is titled "Savage" you might want to inform him to be respectful around Judo Gene, we don't want Gene popping Milo's eyeball out.

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 31, 2016 10:52 AM  

It is amazing that these trained women can beat the untrained men in street attack situations, and yet such an event has never been recorded in history.

Secret queens?

Blogger Happy Housewife December 31, 2016 10:57 AM  

What an ugly, graceless fight. There's a reason movies use dance choreographers for women's fight scenes.

Blogger Kyle Searle December 31, 2016 10:59 AM  

Damn you Vox, this would be been more emotionally satisfying if I didn't know the result before watching the bout!

I used to practice BJJ, but I quit because I'm small and I got my ass kicked and it caused too much damage to my joints in the process. I could still overpower the women, excepting the black-belt. Rousey made a giant mistake in her life with regards to her entourage. She surrounded herself with lackeys who don't criticize her. Her real weakness isn't a lack of talent or toughness (relative to other women), it's emotional weakness. Yes, Nunes is an ugly lesbian, but she succeeds on her own merits within her own domain, and I've seen no evidence of her trying to pretend that she can fight up in weight-class or against men. JSP never said he could beat Silvia, Mighty-mouse has never claimed he could beat heavier opponents. The only guy who did was McGregor, and he won. (He was, incidentally also an extremely larger featherweight who did significant damage to his health to make featherweight). Anyway, Holm and Nunes apparently do spare with men, and hence they don't talk shit, rather they just kicked the crap out of Rousey (or punched, in the case of Nunes).

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 11:02 AM  

What an ugly, graceless fight. There's a reason movies use dance choreographers for women's fight scenes.

Yeah, Nunes leading with her face and throwing rear hands without bothering to so much as jab first would get her insta-KO'd against a half-trained man.

What people fail to realize is that you can get away with a lot more when you don't have to worry about your opponent actually hitting you hard. That's why the "controlled sparring" concept is so pernicious.

Anonymous roughcoat December 31, 2016 11:07 AM  

Yeah, I'm on the "if you believe women can fight men, even pound for pound, you're fucking high" side of this debate. VD has already thoroughly explained why. When you get into actual normal sized men vs normal sized women, it's just ridiculous to suggest even an highly trained and physically strong (for her sex) woman could hold her own without a gun.

I've seen completely untrained men crush trained women in grappling matches in the same weight class. The most memorable one involved the guy just choking the woman out with one hand after she got him into a triangle choke. She couldn't get his hand off her neck and the fight was over in ~20 seconds.

Blogger Dave December 31, 2016 11:13 AM  

But the girls always left thinking they could knock down a huge man. It was sad.

This is a huge disservice found not only in the martial arts industry but also self-defense instructors and trainers. It's not just women that are imbued with false confidence; men are too until the first couple of times they pick a fight and get the $hit beat out of them.

Blogger Jose December 31, 2016 11:14 AM  

"But the girls always left thinking they could knock down a huge man. It was sad."

In an outtake from one of the Resident Evil movies, there's a moment when Milla Jovovich actually kicks a stunt double posing as a very big zombie. Presumably she was supposed to just miss him, but when she hit him, she broke character and started apologizing -- to a very confused stunt double. You can hear the director (Milla's husband) laughing in the background -- at his ~50kg wife thinking that she hurt the 1m95/150kg stunt double whose regular job is to be thrown around by pneumatic equipment.

Where do they get these ideas?

(Ahem... what's the narrative of these movies again?)

Anonymous BBGKB December 31, 2016 11:31 AM  

Not only would Roidie Ronda Rousey lose to the tough guy in every STR8 bar, but to the toughest guy in every gay bar I have been in.

Rousey has beaten guys before in sparring,

Guys that didn't want to hurt her.

My 20-year-old daughter can put most men that outweigh her by 80 pounds on their head because she knows how to.

Maybe she knows how to give head/blows to GRRM, but I doubt she could do as you say with a guy that isn't willing.

Her eyes grew wide when I didn't move and she said "you're supposed to flip over and fall down".

I hear it involves leverage.

the discussion seems to be trending towards 'my anecdote can beat up your anecdote' which is uninteresting.

The discussion has now moved to "Even our faggots own guns and can beat up Rousey"

I've been involved with and trained various Martial Arts for 31 years

Have you ever even gotten a black eye?

Blogger tweell December 31, 2016 11:38 AM  

Watching Nunes pummel Rousey didn't impress me at all. Any Golden Gloves would be faster and have better technique. I could almost hear my father screaming "No, don't go overhand, come up from underneath! Underneath!"

The best woman in the world is in trouble versus a man with half a clue about fighting. That's just the way it is. I learned that as a scrawny teenager, when my oldest sister tried to teach me a lesson. She was 22, a black belt in karate with various awards and running a dojo, in the best shape of her life. I was 13 and had just picked up a yellow belt. She was giving away 30 pounds and 3 inches of reach (scrawny teenager, remember), but was facing a boy, not a man. She kicked me in the face, got me mad and I put her down with a punch to the solar plexus. The hard part was not going through with the combination. One full power punch to the body was all it took.

Yes, she was my sister, not wanting to actually hurt me, but that kick was slower and weaker than my father's jab. She expected it to rock me back and stagger me (it was her favorite tournament move), but all it did was piss me off.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 31, 2016 11:40 AM  

Moving the discussion from commercial MMA to street fighting where no one knows until later if it was life-and-death seems silly to me.

A woman can be armed with a knife, a razor or a gorilla BF who's standing in your blind spot.

All fights in the real world are potentially life-ending. Those who take this seriously carry GUNS. Those who carry guns cannot risk being struck in the head or blindsided b/c their firearm could be snatched.

As Zimmerman proves, if they're close enough to hit you, you are in mortal danger if you are prepared for a REAL fight. At the point, overconfidence or escalation leads to No Small Things.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 31, 2016 11:50 AM  

I had this discussion once with a feminist regarding basketball.

I had it about gunfighting. Girl cited high-power rifle competition where women do sometimes beat men in the same match.

I pointed out that in USPSA, IPSC and IDPA competition men and women compete on the same course but are only compared within sex, and that top women competitors lag the top men.

She doubled down on HP rifle.
(Facepalm)

Blogger JRR December 31, 2016 12:06 PM  

I have absolutely no experience at martial arts, but once in my 30s a friend who runs his own karate studio asked me to stop by and spar with him. I did. He's about 5 foot 9 or 10, 170 pounds, maybe. I was about 3000 and 6 foot 3. I played baseball in college, until I got hurt, then I switched to softball. I was strong. I could hit a softball farther than most people drive to work. I threw him all over the ring, he landed a few completely ineffective blows that may have counted for points somewhere, but I blocked them with thighs bigger than his fucking waist. I could have literally killed him. He was black belt of some degree or other, I take it his rank was very high.
Another time, 2 friends and I were at college, shooting basketball to kill time. Neither of us even played high school basketball. 3 girls on the school team came by and wanted to scrimmage. I didn't want to, because you can't win playing girls. If you win, congratulations, you beat a girl, and if you lose, your a pussy who just got beat by a girl. We played half-assed for a bit and it was fairly competitive. The girls noticed and gave us shit about it, they were actually looking to get better by playing men. Then one of them drove by me, I took a halfassed swat at the ball and she scored and then mouthed off about it. It pissed me off. They never scored another point. We crushed them. 3 guys who couldn't even make a high school roster. But size and strength does not just matter. It's EVERYTHING. It's the entire reason firearms were invented. I am now 48, fat, have been diabetic for my entire adult life, have joint issues, neuropathy, you name it. I would destroy any female MMA athlete in about 3 seconds. and get my ass beat by a high school MALE boxer.

Blogger JRR December 31, 2016 12:09 PM  

Er, 300, not 3000. *facepalm*

Anonymous VFM #6306 December 31, 2016 12:10 PM  

Women fighting is ugly and graceless. You will never have a woman fight that isn't. Slow and weak can't be the top two features of a good fight. Throw in weird looking female faces and they look like handicapped thunderdome.

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind December 31, 2016 12:19 PM  

VD wrote:What an ugly, graceless fight. There's a reason movies use dance choreographers for women's fight scenes.

Yeah, Nunes leading with her face and throwing rear hands without bothering to so much as jab first would get her insta-KO'd against a half-trained man.

What people fail to realize is that you can get away with a lot more when you don't have to worry about your opponent actually hitting you hard. That's why the "controlled sparring" concept is so pernicious.

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The talent pool that they have to draw upon for women's UFC is pretty small, thats why I think there is a pretty large disparity of skill in the women's matches compared to the men's. The women's matches are utterly uninteresting outside of a freak-show aspect.

The men's bantamweight division is far more technical and entertaining than the womens.

I'm pretty certain that anyone who doesn't agree with your position doesn't have full contact experience. The further you get from full contact the more weirdness starts to creep in to martial arts. Internal martial arts suffers a lot from this, unless you have a fair amount of external martial arts practice first and you can get your hands on one of the few people who teach the stuff properly.

Blogger Michael Maier December 31, 2016 12:30 PM  

??? WTF?

I thought they weren't letting men beat up broads in UFC!

Blogger Gapeseed December 31, 2016 12:41 PM  

This discussion shows why transgendered men competing in women's sports poses such a mortal threat to those sports. It won't take too many to completely obliterate the competition and scar the record books.

Anonymous JI December 31, 2016 12:48 PM  

Since several years ago when Vox first pointed out the abilities of female fighters, I've been disgusted with the movies that portray women demolishing men in fights. Six months ago, I left the theater in which the latest Star Trek movie was playing for this reason, wandered into another theater to watch a different movie (I forget which one) and it was the same theme! Just another example of SJW infiltration.

Blogger Michael Maier December 31, 2016 12:50 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I had this discussion once with a feminist regarding basketball.

I had it about gunfighting. Girl cited high-power rifle competition where women do sometimes beat men in the same match.

I pointed out that in USPSA, IPSC and IDPA competition men and women compete on the same course but are only compared within sex, and that top women competitors lag the top men.

She doubled down on HP rifle.

(Facepalm)


Yeah, but do they do their own MATH for the shooting?

Blogger Michael Maier December 31, 2016 12:53 PM  

JI wrote:Since several years ago when Vox first pointed out the abilities of female fighters, I've been disgusted with the movies that portray women demolishing men in fights. Six months ago, I left the theater in which the latest Star Trek movie was playing for this reason, wandered into another theater to watch a different movie (I forget which one) and it was the same theme! Just another example of SJW infiltration.

Yeah, the white-skinned broad was just annoying. My brother wanted me to pay to see ROGUE ONE and I refuse to give Disney another penny for anything, ever. I can wait two weeks and see it free. I'm not even sure I want to.

Blogger Bogey December 31, 2016 12:58 PM  

@86 It's even sillier considering that those actresses are maybe 105-110 pounds. And the countless Urban Fantasy novels on the shelves feature women of the same dimensions.

Blogger Bogey December 31, 2016 1:01 PM  

Yeah, the white-skinned broad was just annoying.

She was green in Guardians and Blue in Avatar. Perhaps it's time for her to play a red skinned character.

Blogger Jose December 31, 2016 1:25 PM  

Bogey wrote:Yeah, the white-skinned broad was just annoying.

She was green in Guardians and Blue in Avatar. Perhaps it's time for her to play a red skinned character.


If you mean Jaylah, that's Sofia Boutella and she wasn't in Avatar or Guardians of the Galaxy.

Y'know, other than a conspiracy of SJWs trying to brainwash the masses against biological reality, maybe the reason movies use pretty women as action heroes is that the people who watch movies like to watch pretty women. (Men and women alike.)

Also, as an alien, Jaylah's strength relative to the other scavenging aliens is a matter of inter-species strength. Now, imagine a male MMA fighter going up against a female polar bear, unarmed that is. (The MMA fighter unarmed, not the bear).

Besides, Sofia Boutella is a pro dancer who combines sensuality and athleticism without becoming crass and butch like so many others do. So, more like her in movies, please. (The alternative are the Lenas and Amys...)

Anonymous Bukulu December 31, 2016 1:32 PM  

Me too... And more than $1 too!

Blogger Michael Maier December 31, 2016 1:33 PM  

And it's not just the "MMA-trained" (yeah....) broads that are delusional. It's short, fat 5" midgets that think they can hurt men.

Now sometimes they "fought" men that didn't fight back and that creates total delusion.

But I keep thinking how shocked my ex-GF was when I didn't even try and pinned her to the bed. How any woman can get through decades of life so damned delusional is really scary.

There was a 6'6", very wide dude in my office. I once said to her, "I'm not scared of him, I just know if I ever get in a fight with him, he can kill me."

And she looked at me as if I was the crazy one. But, I know math is hard and physics requires math...

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 31, 2016 1:44 PM  

If Charles MacKay were alive today, his new edition of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds would just have to include a big chapter on Girl Power. The science is totally settled, but that doesn't matter when movie after movie shows women beating up on men.

Robert Heinlein's SF back in the 40's referred to The Crazy Years. We're there.

Blogger tuberman December 31, 2016 1:58 PM  

93#

Yep, A woman in her mid-60's was telling me how she was trained to take down men! I just said, "No, you're not." She looked at me like I did not know what I was talking about, and tried to explain her "training."

My answer to her was, "Meaningless, you understand nothing, modern movies have made you educated in ignorance."

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 2:32 PM  

@20 Boko Harambe

These women really, truly believe they'd be ok if they got jumped in a dark alley. Not only would they be ok. They'd beat their attacker to a pulp. Unhealthy.
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That is dangerous. They must not be going to self defense martial art schools. Most of the ones I've been in make it pretty clear for the women, that once you thwart and attacker, you get the hell out of there.

They say that to both male and female when a knife comes out, get the hell out of there. They teach us knife only if our back is against the wall.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 2:37 PM  

@27 VD

I could not only beat Rousey in an MMA match, I could literally kill her in less than 30 seconds.
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Well, MMA has rules! Otherwise most of those fights would be over in less than a minute


I am 48 and I will not hesitate to take on any professional female fighter in a full-contact match, without any training, for the princely sum of $1.
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New Years Eve Baby! Make it a handicap match, SDL vs. 4 scary mma girls!

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 2:38 PM  

They are already at a further disadvantage because they can't pull your hair !

Anonymous Pax_Romana December 31, 2016 2:43 PM  

It's threads like this one that have opened my eyes to the Woman Warrior myth. I can no longer watch a movie or read a book without rolling my eyes and thinking, "I could take her," and I only have two years of Tae Kwon Do training in a lousy dojo. The only way I can mentally accept shows that have women kick ass is if they are cyborgs or mutants (like in "Dark Matter").

So...thank you. The red pill is a bitter one to swallow, but the truth is always better than a lie.

Blogger Pseudotsuga December 31, 2016 2:44 PM  

tuberman wrote:93#

Yep, A woman in her mid-60's was telling me how she was trained to take down men! I just said, "No, you're not." She looked at me like I did not know what I was talking about, and tried to explain her "training."

My answer to her was, "Meaningless, you understand nothing, modern movies have made you educated in ignorance."


I hear you there -- I recently got into it a bit with a female relative on Facebook, who linked to some tips women can use to protect themselves (one of which was, believe it or not, train to use and carry a firearm.) Most of the tips assumed that after you did X, the man would stop fighting, and you could run away...somewhere else...to safety.
She thought the tips were useful; I pointed out that merely knowing the tips wasn't going to help-- you have to train enough to use them so that you respond naturally in those ways. And even that isn't enough --when you are violently attacked, your conscious mind disappears behind the lizard brain when the pain actually starts.

A White Knight then appeared and chewed me out as a "keyboard warrior," and that I didn't know what I was talking about, since the women kickboxers he knows and trains with were evidence that training works. I pointed out to HuffAndPUff boy that mere "training" isn't enough. The amount of training matters, and in the case of self-defense, learning how to fight through the pain. A violent man who wants to hurt a person, man or woman is going to hurt the victim, much to the victim's shock. If you don't train to go past that, then the color of your belt is not much help.
(I make no claims to be a martial artist of any sorts, but in my forays into the world of sword arts, I have learned that getting hit in the face hard enough to make my nose bleed, in spite of masks, is a bit of a shock to the system. Getting hit that hard, if you aren't prepared for it, locks your response. And that's just play...)

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 2:54 PM  

@52 Cail Corishev

Action chicks in Hollywood don't have to be real fighters anymore;
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Many are actually dancers and can do the choreography with great skill

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 2:57 PM  

@55 Matt
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".
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One of my schools the guy kept pounding me on the head and he said "One day you'll love getting punched in the face" lol

In other words, BLOCK dammit!

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 3:06 PM  

@76 BBGKB

I've been involved with and trained various Martial Arts for 31 years

Have you ever even gotten a black eye?
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One time I had to get a tetanus shot because the female training partner gouges out a hunk of meat with her nails

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 3:08 PM  

@78 dc.sunsets

All fights in the real world are potentially life-ending. Those who take this seriously carry GUNS. Those who carry guns cannot risk being struck in the head or blindsided b/c their firearm could be snatched.
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And why not know guns and martial arts? I love them both.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 3:17 PM  

I have learned that getting hit in the face hard enough to make my nose bleed, in spite of masks, is a bit of a shock to the system. Getting hit that hard, if you aren't prepared for it, locks your response.

Exactly. The first time you get hit hard in the face, you tend to go into shock. But you get used to it pretty fast, although I've only ever seen one guy whose eyes would still track you even when his head was getting snapped back from a punch. It was pretty freaky. We called him Terminator because of that.

His eyes just never came unfocused, not even when you hit him pretty hard.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 31, 2016 3:20 PM  

Fisher wrote:VD wrote:I saw all the early ones. They had top-notch grapplers fighting mediocre boxers. Nobody was going up against Tyson or Holyfield.

There were no "top-notch" grapplers. There was a top-notch grappler; then a family of top-notch grapplers; then those that aped, hybridized and evolved the innovation precisely because a good pugilist doesn't stand a chance against even a mediocre grappler. The game has of course changed now that MMA is MMA: i.e. mediocre grapplers cannot compete with good boxers that understand take-down defense or are, themselves, mediocre grapplers or better (etc and on with the permutations).

I'm not saying anything new or controversial, here.


Exactly. Most historical martial arts combined grappling and striking anyway. Pugilism , the traditional English version is mostly seen as a striking art and is best known for its straight punches and effective but tiring the "Irish" boxing stance but there was grappling work aplenty and a lot of moves derived from catch wrestling.

Pugilism's dirty cousin All In had extensive grappling and striking as well but it was charitably a martial arts designed by Orcs since eye gouging, nose breaking and ear ripping were considered good plays!

As for armed combat, men have an enormous edge but its not quite as insurmountable as in unarmed combat and women under some circumstances not involving huge skill gaps, size gaps, weapon gaps or ambush can beat men in duels or fights in the historical record .Swords especially the long sword or small sword seems to be ideal weapon.

Generally though the closest example we have now is the Society for Creative Anachronism and if I remember correctly in theory a woman can become king in trial by sport combat (SCA heavy, sword, shield, armor)

I've known a few female fighters but none of them have advanced far in the ranks and its less of a combative sport than MMA There has never been a female king.

Weights and skills being equal I'd bet on the man nearly every time.

As for guns, men too have a large advantage though women can hold their own in defensive situations or even firefights though women don't belong in combat roles .God made Man, Colonel Colt made him equal

One would thing that basic knowledge if humnan anatomy would tell people this but self delusion is a hell of a drug

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 31, 2016 3:21 PM  

VD wrote:I have learned that getting hit in the face hard enough to make my nose bleed, in spite of masks, is a bit of a shock to the system. Getting hit that hard, if you aren't prepared for it, locks your response.

Exactly. The first time you get hit hard in the face, you tend to go into shock. But you get used to it pretty fast, although I've only ever seen one guy whose eyes would still track you even when his head was getting snapped back from a punch. It was pretty freaky. We called him Terminator because of that.

His eyes just never came unfocused, not even when you hit him pretty hard.


As Mike Tyson said "Everybody has a plan before they hit in the face."

Anonymous Rodrik the Reader December 31, 2016 3:24 PM  

I love it when I come across a tidbit of personal history that demonstrates how it influenced a writer's work.

I'm halfway through ATOB, and Vox's personal martial arts philosophy exemplified in the current post is amply on display in his fiction, as when he refers to green troops as needing to be bloodied (full contact sparring, as it were) in order to become effective.

There's also the gladiatorial contest between a little goblin (regular guy) and two better-armed women. Don't want to give it away, but the gobbo acquits himself well, as would a modern male in a similar situation (such as the average holiday family gatherings of my youth--fun times, fun times!)

Which brings up the question, though, of how much hard sparring is needed to season the combatant before it destroys him first?

My brief foray into martial arts left me with cracked ribs, a black eye, and a torn ACL, after which I called it quits.

I recall that Pressfield's novel about the Spartans, 'Gates of Fire,' included the dramatic conceit that Spartan lads were encouraged to fight each other no-holds-barred at whim. Seems to me a little r-selected; did the Spartans have such a surplus of boys that they could risk them in such potentially crippling activities?

Which inevitably brings me to Brienne of Tarth of ASOIAF fame. A freakish brute in the books, she's just big and manly enough in the TV show to maintain credibility--and GRRM's grrrl power themes that help make his tale such a hit with with the SJW crowd.

From McDojos to the UFC to Matt Damon fighting monsters alongside hot Chinese chicks (can't wait to see 'The Great Wall'!), it's all just showbiz.

SJWs always lie, it's true, but they're able to sell the malarkey courtesy of the hidden persuaders who don't believe the lies at all but are willing to exploit them.

How is Bernays marketing cigarettes as 'torches of freedom' to suffragettes different from the UFC marketing Rousey to feminists now?

Both cons ultimately diminish the health of both the individual and the nation.

I'm all for shield maidens to watch my back (and to help them fend for themselves should I fall), but in the final analysis, all those ballerina spin kicks will equip them for is to run with confidence from the field of battle.

Blogger Joe Keenan December 31, 2016 3:26 PM  

@15 Generally speaking, a wrestler/grappler with little or no boxing skills is nothing but a punching bag for a boxer with a jab and footwork. Rhonda's last two matches shows this to be true. It is not easy to get past a sharp jab and if you can't get past the jab, you're not throwing anyone.

Blogger michaeloh59 December 31, 2016 3:28 PM  

I work out at a small kickboxing/mma gym in a small town. As it happens the owner of the gym is a young kid who is a kick boxer and His school is Rufus Kickboxing in Chicago iirc. Last summer he made the pilgrimage with a couple of his students to Chicago to train for a week or so. He says he watched Cyborg Santos kick dude ass, tough dudes. I don't think that contradicts VDs argument, I think he is right ( although I don't have sparring experience and I'll be damned if I'm gonna call out "any" woman fighter in todo el Mundo). What I think it does mean is that it supports the anti-grrrrrl power hypothesis. IOW Cyborg may indeed be able to kick some tough dude ass, but "she" has had to become a man in order to do it.

Blogger bob kek mando ( NABTY ) December 31, 2016 3:29 PM  

Vox
And notice that Nunes landed 23 of 35 strikes on a largely defenseless Rousey, but still didn't put her down.



too be fair, that was pure chance that Ronda didn't go down.

she was stumbling and bumbling all over the ring. her legs were all over the place. she didn't stay on her feet because she was in control, she stayed on her feet because she didn't happen to land a foot wrong.

had that fight gone another 15 seconds, Rousey would have been out cold.

again.



94. A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 31, 2016 1:44 PM
Robert Heinlein's SF back in the 40's referred to The Crazy Years. We're there.



never forget, Heinlein is the one who wanted women to be combat pilots.

Bob had more than a little Crazy in himself.



2. Laz December 31, 2016 4:42 AM
This is why I don't watch the women's fights. It's very rare to see a KO.


Garbrandt didn't finish Cruz and that was a good fight.



3. JAG December 31, 2016 4:47 AM
She believed her own hype. That was her undoing.



no, she's got a retard for a coach. that was her undoing. people have been trying to tell her that for years.

https://youtu.be/q-hFJWVRXjQ?t=5m10s

she's gotten away with world class Judo and rudimentary boxing because the women's divisions are so weak. now that she's running into real strikers ( even though they're women ), she's folding like a cheap suit.

choice of coach is, ultimately, Ronda's decision though. so it's still her fault.


15. Chris Jackson December 31, 2016 6:02 AM
Seems like she didn't learn her lesson with Holm.



no ... no ... i'm pretty sure one of these days that 'I will beat your fist into submission WITH MY FAAAAAAAAAAAAACE' strategy is going to pay off.

it just hasn't been tried by the *right people* yet. or maybe we didn't hit that fist ENOUGH.

ya, that's the ticket. hit that fist MORE and HARDER. it's bound to break eventually.


what was embarrassing was how many of those shots were just straight jabs between her hands.

she has no idea how to defend the centerline, nor does she understand how to move her head off of centerline.

compare and contrast that with the immediately proceeding Garbrandt-Cruz fight in which BOTH of them dodged large numbers of punches, with simple head movement.

i've never yet seen a woman do that.



26. Some Dude December 31, 2016 7:46 AM
But I would be optimistic Rousey could beat Mayweather in a MMA fight. I've seen women beat guys.



because Mayweather is somehow going to wind up on an octagon with absolutely ZERO mma training.

you're out your damn mind.



66. Bob Just December 31, 2016 10:48 AM
VD- Gabi Garcia "looks" scary



that's a man, baby.

it's might be AIS, but it's a man.



69. VFM #6306 December 31, 2016 10:52 AM
yet such an event has never been recorded in history.


i've seen more than one.

two of them happened because the man was trying to clown the woman and didn't realize what was going on until he had already been nutshot or tossed.

another one was a skinny Nigger who weighed maybe 150lb deciding to pick a fight with his 250lb girlfriend.

she sat on him. literally.

Anonymous Hesiod December 31, 2016 3:36 PM  

@Duke Norfolk

They friggen ruined what could have been a great series with all the typical lefty crap - again.

Wait until they introduce Diversity when the Vikings hit the Mediterranean. Lots of blacks incoming!

Blogger michaeloh59 December 31, 2016 3:48 PM  

I don't know why we are wasting time on Rousey's poor showing or any other cat fight while ignoring the best fight of the night-Cruz vs Garbrant.

But I do wonder what will become of pro cat fighting; will it be the biggest thing evah! like Dana White seems to think, or will a dumbed down and demasculinized culture finally figure out that cat fighting is about as serious and interesting as midget wrasslin'?

Blogger Jose December 31, 2016 3:54 PM  

I leave all my fighting to a nest of unethical rabid cobras, our corporate legal department, so I'm not the best person to comment on this, but I know several people who get in fights for their lives (LEOs, armed forces) and they all tell me it's completely different than any match-type fight. (The cobras resent the comparison.)

Blogger Some Guy December 31, 2016 3:55 PM  

Sparring. I'll let you fill in the gaps of your argument from there. Sparring is vastly different than a real fight and you know it. You are allowing another person to use your body to train in exchange for the same privilege. 60% of your max at best. I train in MMA as well. I have 60 pounds on most of the women I fight. That is a lot of mass to overcome (for anyone). Even the occasional time when they do land a good strike on me, it's less than most of the teenage boys that join us can do.

I remember my first time in the gym. They put me up against one of their best girls to humble me. I had no ground training at all. She went low, tried to get a double leg, I grabbed her waist and fell on her. She couldn't get out. They stood us up because I had no idea what to do from there. This was one of their most skilled.

They later put me up against one of the largest guys in the gym who had almost 50 pounds on me. That was not fun.

He would have torn her arm off and carried it home with him.

Anonymous Daniel H December 31, 2016 4:11 PM  

Only a sick, very sick, society would permit women to so beat each other for display, profit and amusement. (The same could be said for ubiquitous pornography.) The Romans, with all their blood sport cruelty, never let women fight each other. It would never have occurred to the Romans to allow women to do so.

There is no saving this society, neither Trump nor the alt-right can do anything at this point. The alt-right will be useful and necessary to put the pieces back together again after the collapse, but this society is doomed.

Anonymous Hesiod December 31, 2016 4:21 PM  

The Romans, with all their blood sport cruelty, never let women fight each other. It would never have occurred to the Romans to allow women to do so.

Tell that to VD with his two-girls/one goblin chapter in A Throne Of Bones.

Blogger OGRE December 31, 2016 4:30 PM  

That fight was pathetic. Nunes was going full windmill with her overhand punches and still landing them. I've seen better fights between middle school football players.

For a good example of what a size and weight difference can mean, check out this bathroom scuffle between opposing team fans at the Russel Athletic bowl:

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/29/miami-west-virginia-bathroom-fight-bowl-game-video/

oh saw the Star Wars movie last night. don't bother. the best thing about it was the final 3 minutes with Darth Vader and you can probably find that on youtube by now. I really feel bad for everyone involved in that movie, after spending all that time and money and energy on it for it to be so bland...

Blogger Nathan December 31, 2016 4:37 PM  

What surprises me is that someone of Ronda Rousey's notoriety is being coached by someone that seems to be a total fraud. Is the whole "sport" that way?


Anonymous Marvin Boggs December 31, 2016 4:43 PM  

I recall that when Stefi Graf was dominating women's tennis, someone asked her whether she wanted to play against the men. She responded that she could not beat a mid-range male pro. She was head and shoulders above the other female pros at the time.

Don't worry America, you're female GIs will do better.

Blogger Joe Keenan December 31, 2016 4:51 PM  

@120 The Williams sisters lost to the #200 and some ranked man: https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco December 31, 2016 5:09 PM  

This "girls are badasses" crowd is hilarious.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco December 31, 2016 5:11 PM  

"Is the whole "sport" that way?"

No, her case is unique.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 31, 2016 5:19 PM  

And why not know guns and martial arts? I love them both.

YMMV. I'm too old to remediate my H2H at a gym. I did peruse some mma videos revolving around heel locks and slipping punches, but I already can't spare any brain cells to full contact sparring.

If I were younger, I might share your viewpoint. I'll rely on avoidance, then on being 6'3" & 210 lbs with broad shoulders for deterrence.

I have a backup plan if that fails (or if size just means I'm a bigger target.)

Anonymous Avalanche December 31, 2016 5:26 PM  

@100 "A violent man who wants to hurt a person, man or woman is going to hurt the victim, much to the victim's shock. If you don't train to go past that..."

(A decade+ ago now), I was doing a 'following' drill with my master tai chi teacher, where the point is to keep the backs of my hands resting against the backs of his as he moved his hands randomly. The second time I lost contact, he reached in and slapped me in the face. (Not terribly hard, but hard enough.) We continued the drill, but my focus completely scattered: "he hit me! I screwed up and he HIT me!" (The next year, doing the same drill, when I lost contact (just once!), he slapped me again, but instead of completely and permanently losing focus, I just sank in and did better. So, salutary lesson.)

Rory Miller, too, says that first 'real' hit will drive all knowledge out of your brain. Rory's book: "Meditations on Violence: A Comparison of Martial Arts Training & Real World Violence"is excellent and eye-opening. He goes into detail about all the MAs who do NOT teach self-defense, but don't make clear to their students that they don't! (All of Rory's books are excellent!)

Anonymous Avalanche December 31, 2016 5:31 PM  

@78 "Those who carry guns cannot risk being struck in the head or blindsided b/c their firearm could be snatched."

This worries me all the time about "polar bear hunting." I AM "bringing a gun to a fist fight" (well, fist attack; there's no fight when it's a sucker punch!) -- which means I have to SEE the oncoming fight before it begins! Still (metaphorically), back a couple hundred years,I'd've had to be aware of wolves and bears in the steppes,so I'd need to be armed and always aware.)

Blogger Cail Corishev December 31, 2016 5:35 PM  

maybe the reason movies use pretty women as action heroes is that the people who watch movies like to watch pretty women.

That's why they're able to get away with it and not end up with empty theaters. It's not why they do it. They used to do just fine having men do the fighting and action, while using pretty women as the love interests, damsels, femme fatales, and so on. They didn't push women into the action roles to gain viewers.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 5:50 PM  

Sparring. I'll let you fill in the gaps of your argument from there. Sparring is vastly different than a real fight and you know it. You are allowing another person to use your body to train in exchange for the same privilege. 60% of your max at best.

Then you train at a belt factory where you don't learn how to fight. We always sparred full speed. 100 percent contact to the body. Hard, but not 100 percent to the head. There were a few KOs now and then when someone ate a punch or a walked into a roundhouse kick, but the main thing was that you stopped as soon as you had someone staggered or defenseless. Our sensei also eventually banned ankle hunting with the elbow blocks, because too many guys were getting their ankles cracked.

That was actually much more difficult than real fighting, because in a real fight, the average person can't block or stop anything. And you can take out knees.

Blogger bob kek mando ( NABTY ) December 31, 2016 6:07 PM  

116. Daniel H December 31, 2016 4:11 PM
The Romans, with all their blood sport cruelty, never let women fight each other. It would never have occurred to the Romans to allow women to do so.



*facedesk*

http://www.tribunesandtriumphs.org/gladiators/female-gladiators.htm

Blogger bob kek mando ( NABTY ) December 31, 2016 6:13 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7dVu5IkxHM


if you're going to give a woman shit, for God's sake be ready for the nutshot, you morons.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 31, 2016 6:19 PM  

Recall that Roy Miller was recently recovering from knee surgery as a consequence of full contact, realistic training.

This is the real issue I have with MA. if it's real, the training alone can leave you vulnerable at the moment you need to be at full capability.

That, and repeated hits to the head are a known risk factor for dementia.

Blogger Some Guy December 31, 2016 6:24 PM  

VD,

Correct ours isn't for actual competitors. They have 2 men who want to become professionals, but everyone else want to understand what the techniques are like. You run the risk of your clients leaving if they take too much damage training, so he tones it down to keep the income stream up and the injury count down. It's great for learning the techniques and you can do full contact sparring if you want with people who are willing.

Blogger Some Guy December 31, 2016 6:27 PM  

VD,

Do you think his gym sounds like one of yours? Most women don't get near that.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 31, 2016 6:29 PM  

And women should know that if attacked by an enraged man, kicking his nuts will have no effect at all, unless it makes him hit even harder and more often, before he tires.

Intoxication, rage or both make men almost immune to pain. This is why I assume that only a successful hit (ideally a double) to the head (KO), or ripping out or cutting essential tendons/ligaments, effectively ends a fight. That, or a bullet to the CNS, or bleeding out (which takes time.)

So does a choke-out, but that's for people far better trained than I ever was.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 31, 2016 6:41 PM  

@126 Avalanche
This worries me all the time about "polar bear hunting." I AM "bringing a gun to a fist fight" (well, fist attack; there's no fight when it's a sucker punch!) -- which means I have to SEE the oncoming fight before it begins!

That is what Situational Awareness is for. People who get clobbered by Polar Bear hunters or Knockout Gamers are always taken by surprise.

So don't be surprised.

Blogger Miss Carnivorous December 31, 2016 6:41 PM  

Did somebody mention this already? Joey Buttafuoco vs Chyna? If so, I apologise. Just one thing though, women are often very good at marksmanship. Female snipers are not out of the question.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 31, 2016 6:48 PM  

@130 Bob Kek

That's Krav Maga(TM)? Looks more like "schoolgirl soccer kick in the hallway" to me. In fact the whole situ looks like high school.

Blogger Bob Loblaw December 31, 2016 6:50 PM  

On Rousey's behavior after losing: reminds me of Hillary.

She blamed the Russians? Seems like a bit of a stretch...

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 6:56 PM  

Do you think his gym sounds like one of yours? Most women don't get near that.

We had very, very few women. They took one look at our training and wanted nothing to do with it. That suited us fine. Most of the women we fought were there on the regular open sparring nights we hosted. Other dojos and schools would visit to test themselves against us.

It was quite common for our green and purple belts to beat their black belts. My first public competition was as a gold belt against a brown belt. I was beating him, but ended up losing by one point when he started doing these leaping spin kicks I'd never seen in our dojo and I didn't know what to do.

Afterwards, my sensei said: "next time, just kick him in the back as soon as he turns around." I'd never seen anything like it because we never, ever, led with a spin kick or left our feet.

It was also a tradition to get kicked out of your first public tournament where head contact was off limits, because when you'd see these guys hold their guards below their chins, the automatic reaction of our white belts was to immediately punch them in the face. It usually took two or three tournaments before they could pass on the easy openings.

Blogger bob kek mando ( NABTY ) December 31, 2016 6:57 PM  

136. Miss Carnivorous December 31, 2016 6:41 PM
Joey Buttafuoco vs Chyna?



boy, Mancini made an ass of himself.

Blogger VD December 31, 2016 6:57 PM  

Do you think his gym sounds like one of yours? Most women don't get near that.

We had very, very few women. They took one look at our training and wanted nothing to do with it. That suited us fine. Most of the women we fought were there on the regular open sparring nights we hosted. Other dojos and schools would visit to test themselves against us.

It was quite common for our green and purple belts to beat their black belts. My first public competition was as a gold belt against a brown belt. I was beating him, but ended up losing by one point when he started doing these leaping spin kicks I'd never seen in our dojo and I didn't know what to do.

Afterwards, my sensei said: "next time, just kick him in the back as soon as he turns around." I'd never seen anything like it because we never, ever, led with a spin kick or left our feet.

It was also a tradition to get kicked out of your first public tournament where head contact was off limits, because when you'd see these guys hold their guards below their chins, the automatic reaction of our white belts was to immediately punch them in the face. It usually took two or three tournaments before they could pass on the easy openings.

Anonymous RA December 31, 2016 6:59 PM  

I've been hit in the face in a fight and elbowed on the head or in the face while playing basketball. It is exactly as Tyson says, everything goes out the window when you get hit that hard and I can see the point about having to train past that shock so you can stay on your feet. Or flee as the case may be.

My ex-wife once mouthed off about her strength compared to mine because she was working out a lot more than I was. So I had to demonstrate to her how wrong she was. The most important thing was she realized that I was holding back, that if I had wanted to hurt her, it would be very easy to do and there would not have been a thing she could have done other than run away. If she could. She never went there again. That understanding of male violence used to be universal among women; that needs to be so once more.

Blogger Moon Man December 31, 2016 7:31 PM  

Rousey and Hillary have a lot in common:

- Overhyped contender
- Lost her last contest
- Protected by the media
- Surrounded by a group of fart sniffing sycophants and yes men
- Had the skids greased to get her a rematch even though there were better competitors
- lost in a "stunning" defeat

Blogger Moon Man December 31, 2016 7:32 PM  

I realize Rousey's fight was not a true rematch. Just that she got a shot at getting her title back. Or in Hillary's case, another shot at the Presidency.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2016 7:48 PM  

@124 dc.sunsets
And why not know guns and martial arts? I love them both.

YMMV. I'm too old to remediate my H2H at a gym. I did peruse some mma videos revolving around heel locks and slipping punches, but I already can't spare any brain cells to full contact sparring.
---

I know that feeling. The older I get, the more I practice Gun Fu

Blogger bob kek mando ( NABTY ) December 31, 2016 8:04 PM  

137. A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 31, 2016 6:48 PM
That's Krav Maga(TM)?



i didn't post the video, i have no idea what she's supposed to be doing or what the technical name for it might be.

she did a good job using her handbag to distract him until she landed the nutshot and once he was disabled *and on his knees* the kick to the face was nice.

but "nutshot kick, then back kick to the face of a downed opponent" could be any of dozens of different fighting styles which incorporate kicks. hell, it could be Savate for all i know.

but if he had simply been looking for the nutshot and defended it, none of that would have happened and he would have been fine.


133. Some Guy December 31, 2016 6:27 PM
Do you think his gym sounds like one of yours? Most women don't get near that.



which has been Vox's point THE WHOLE TIME, you fool.

IF
you can't execute your sparring against someone who is going all out with all of the safeties off
THEN
all your "training" is useless in a real life situation.

and women who have learned that when they attempt a hip toss, the man will just cooperatively pivot and fall over for her, she's going to get a VERY nasty surprise when she starts trying to pull this retarded shit in real life.

Anonymous europeasant December 31, 2016 8:20 PM  

I've been knocked down a few times.They were all sucker punches that I didn't see.But I got up quickly but waz dazed.I was able to at least once continue the battle.Once at the age of 2 I fell from a one foot stool and was unconscious for thirty minutes but still managed to regain consciousness, I think.This was relayed to me by my mum.

Anonymous MaMu1977 December 31, 2016 8:21 PM  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SHquzhz4z6w

WWE's rendition of Rousey v. Mayweather. Skip to the 8:00 mark to see what would happen when Rousey uses the armband.

Anonymous Silly but True December 31, 2016 8:56 PM  

Biology of fighting is simple in theory: incapacitate the enemy. While there's quite a lot of wYs to do that, a good way in hand-to-hand combat is make the brain collide with the skull with some momentum.

Women can absolutely do this. On average, though, men can more easily do this to men and women than women doing this to either men or other women.

Blogger Daniel December 31, 2016 9:16 PM  

I think willing participants performing staged exercises do not count

Blogger Daniel December 31, 2016 9:43 PM  

In Argentina they alloewd a trans to play profesional hockey. Everybody cheered. I just can't stop thinking in the poor girl who trained so hard to loose her place in the team to a man

Blogger wreckage December 31, 2016 10:13 PM  

@149 Yeah, having a bigger, thicker skull, substantially heavier bones, and a better padded brain-case is plenty of advantage to start with, before you get to the fact that if you take women as baseline, all men are steroid abusers.

Sexual dimorphism isn't super strong in humans relative to some other mammals, but it's unmistakably there.

Anonymous Daniel H December 31, 2016 10:20 PM  

@129
116. Daniel H December 31, 2016 4:11 PM
The Romans, with all their blood sport cruelty, never let women fight each other. It would never have occurred to the Romans to allow women to do so.

*facedesk*

http://www.tribunesandtriumphs.org/gladiators/female-gladiators.htm<<

I stand corrected, but note that Roman commentators were repulsed by the phenomenon.

Blogger Daniel December 31, 2016 10:25 PM  

As someone who sucks at fightinh, this post and comments makes me sad. Fuck you all and happy new year

Blogger chris December 31, 2016 11:19 PM  

There is some b-grade transgender woman that Rousey refuses to fight yet she thinks she can actually take an actual real a-grade man?

http://www.advocate.com/sports/2014/09/22/ufc-womens-champ-refuses-fight-trans-athlete-fallon-fox

"Mixed martial arts bruiser Ronda Rousey won't fight Fallon Fox because she claims trans women have an 'unfair advantage..."

Blogger Some Guy December 31, 2016 11:20 PM  

That was MY point. He sounded as if he went to the same kind of gym I went to. Therefore, they would be completely unprepared, and he should stop using them as examples.

Blogger Amaryllis January 01, 2017 12:36 AM  

"And notice that Nunes landed 23 of 35 strikes on a largely defenseless Rousey, but still didn't put her down."

While I agree with most of what was said, I don't see what this has to do with anything. Amanda Nunes usually scores knockdowns (assuming she doesn't TKO them outright), so it's not like this 'hard-hitting woman' doesn't have credibility for actually hitting hard for the women's 135 division. And Ronda has historically been pretty good at absorbing shots, since her style before deciding to buy into her own hype and consider herself an elite boxer involved wading through her opponent's punches to get to the clinch - which she did with no problem - and she ran face-first onto a LOT of clean strikes against Holly before getting finished.

Blogger Lazarus January 01, 2017 1:07 AM  

Amaryllis wrote:While I agree with most of what was said, I don't see what this has to do with anything.


Amaryllis wrote:"And notice that Nunes landed 23 of 35 strikes on a largely defenseless Rousey, but still didn't put her down."

DUH!

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 01, 2017 3:14 AM  

Napoleon @21: I'm waiting for the Indiana Jones-style blowing-the-bad-one-away moment where Kung Fu Princess gets her ass handed to her by Falling Down Angry Man With Shotgun.

Fore? FIVE! :-)

Anonymous Laz January 01, 2017 5:06 AM  

@134. dc.sunsets "And women should know that if attacked by an enraged man, kicking his nuts will have no effect at all, unless it makes him hit even harder and more often, before he tires."

In my personal experience this is true. Once in a face-to-face and it didn't even faze me. Once I was taken by surprise from behind and it dropped me for all of 2-3 seconds before I ran him down and showed him what a bad idea that was.

Anonymous Thomas January 01, 2017 5:20 AM  

UFC has to be annoyed at Rousey's loss. A reasonably pretty, reasonably healthily proportioned, All American girl-type like Rousey was a potential draw to viewership for women's MMA. Women are more likely to want to identify with Xena Warrior Princess, than an extra from Orange is the New Black, and men are more likely to want to watch as well.

Blogger Rentaghost okish January 01, 2017 5:21 AM  

@116 Agree entirely. Women fighting each other for entertainment and profit is just wrong. Women should be wives and mothers, raising families and supporting their men. Just another sign that the West is circling the drain.

Anonymous JAG January 01, 2017 6:28 AM  

This grrl power nonsense reminds me another that used to chap my ass... little kids with black belts. I've seen 8 year olds with black belts. Here's a big clue to their parents - they still don't know how to fight. If anything, novice fighters with black belts are far more predictable in a fight than someone fighting on instincts. Fighting is an athletic endeavor. If you are not a good athlete you will not be a good fighter. This is, of course, not taking into consideration the mental aspects of fighting.

Anonymous BBGKB January 01, 2017 11:08 AM  

Lets not forget the 52yo tranny women's college basketball star player, keeping it real.

http://www.espn.com/espnw/athletes-life/article/10170842/espnw-gabrielle-ludwig-52-year-old-transgender-women-college-basketball-player-enjoying-best-year-life

Blogger rcocean January 01, 2017 12:14 PM  

I find female boxing and fights absurd. Rousey weighs 135 lbs. Does anyone imagine that a 135 lbs Man (with high % of body fat) could beat up a 165 lbs man? Let alone some guy who weighs 190?

Blogger André Sanchez January 01, 2017 1:01 PM  

Fisher wrote:My 20-year-old daughter can put most men that outweigh her by 80 pounds on their head because...

... they are afraid to hurt her.

Anonymous Bob Just January 01, 2017 1:09 PM  

@Dc.sunsets

Sounds like you're more interested in combatives (gun-fu, knife-fu, improvised weapons-fu, empty-hand)- no interest in competition or sporting. There are classes out there - Tim Kennedy has some.

What I liked about Trump and some others really hated was what they perceived as a disproportionate response to attacks:

#MMA analogy from Jack Slack:

A finger lock or eye gouge could save your life, but both are banned in MMA because they are disproportionately effective and rapidly damage athletes. And I'm not saying they shouldn't be banned—I don't want fighters to have two or three fights before their hands and eyes are so busted up that they have to retire.

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-fighting-motives-part-1

Blogger André Sanchez January 01, 2017 1:16 PM  

I honestly don't know why we even have competitive women's sports. I also fail to see the logic in having different divisions for differently built men. There is no "short men basketball division". Also, I don't get the puritanical atitude regarding steroid use.

Look, elite athletes are a mix of biology and training. 90% of men have absolutely no chance to ever be an elite athlete in any sport, ever. Why does our society try to make women feel like real athletes, and then listen passively as they bitch about not getting paid as much as elite male athletes? And why do we consider steeroid use to be unfair, when sports is already inherently unfair due to human biological diversity?

Blogger Shitlord Numéro Uno January 01, 2017 1:26 PM  

He's saying he wouldn't bother getting into shape. He's talked about his full contact experience many times before. Saying you wouldn't bother training for a bout is a powerful statement that you are far, far superior to your opponent.

You misinterpreted this because you have absolutely zero experience in fighting sports. Perhaps you should shut up about things you don't understand.

OpenID ar10308 January 01, 2017 1:36 PM  

I occasionally sparr females in the HEMA club I'm part of. Since HEMA is mostly based on historical German Longsword techniques the girls can moderately participate since it doesn't require as much brute force. Usually when I spar a female, I go about 50% or less force and speed, since sparring is mostly about technique and skill, I'm trying to increase my skill rather than the amount of brute force I can put behind a strike. Force is very easy for me to generate, skill at a technique and precision is more challenging.

Before Christmas we were doing basic knife defense grappling techniques (our instructors told us that if anyone pulls a knife on us in real life to either shoot them or run). I ended up paired with an average sized girl in her mid-20s (I'm 6'2", 260 and train in Powerlifting). The techniques consisted of a block, arm-lock and a throw. For her to even be able to execute any of the techniques on me, I had to be A. Undetermined and B. Fully compliant. Unless I let her, she couldn't stop my strike and certainly couldn't execute an arm-lock on me and no way in hell was she putting me on the ground unless I decided I was going there.
The notion of a woman beating up a determined man is beyond laughable.

Not unrelated, I saw the Assassins Creed movie the other day. Don't waste your money on anything in that series. It framed the Muslims as the good guys during the Spanish Inquisition and was chalk full of SJW tropes, like the multi-racial group of Assassins in Inquisition era Spain, to a include an Asian woman (who was of course kicking all kinds of man-ass) and a Sub-Saharan African.

Blogger JohnG January 01, 2017 2:16 PM  

Wonder if that was just when she was on the top of her game and full of herself? Since that time she expressed some reservations about taking on the tranny that got famous for destroying a few female opponents.

Blogger Johnny January 01, 2017 2:30 PM  

The Romans, with all their blood sport cruelty, never let women fight each other.

As for the Romans having female gladiators; well, you know, novelty act.

It happened once that the Romans fought a army led by a warrior princess of sorts. They managed to take her captive and got off on the idea enough that the put her on display in the victory parade. She was dressed in warrior garb and held as a visual matter by a slave and the use of a chain that was made entirely of gold. Eventually she was furnished with a house and lived out her life in Rome.

Apparently the idea of a female warrior has long had an appeal. It does work in movies, but is now way over done. You know, the sweet young babe hammering away at thugs that could beat her with their breath.

Blogger Amaryllis January 01, 2017 2:40 PM  

@158

So "nothing" then. Okay.

Anonymous Amir Larijani January 01, 2017 3:46 PM  

A friend of my wife and myself--RA--has a black belt. This past Thanksgiving, I was talking to her about various training, as I have a very bad back. I do endurance sports, but was curious as to what she had to say about martial arts, as I was interested in the potential benefit to my core strength.

When she started demonstrating for me, it was all I could do to keep a straight face.

Here I am, 3 weeks away from age 50, with three blown disks in my back and torn cartilage in my left knee, and I could kick RA's ass pretty easily. With my issues, I am still fadter than she is.

RA, to her credit, made no boasts about her ability to beat men. I told her that, while her martial arts might help her keep distance, what she really needs for defense is a nice firearm.

But the long and short of it: Vox is right. In a real world balls-out fight, a woman will get her ass handed to her by a man, if she's lucky.

Blogger Colton Hatch January 01, 2017 7:53 PM  

During the weigh ins I got a sick feeling for Ronda looking at nunes. Nunes goes not have a female body as far as ratios go. She was designed for fighting females, whereas most females are made for babies.

Blogger Colton Hatch January 01, 2017 8:03 PM  

During the weigh ins I got a sick feeling for Ronda looking at nunes. Nunes goes not have a female body as far as ratios go. She was designed for fighting females, whereas most females are made for babies.

Anonymous Andy January 01, 2017 10:04 PM  

I look at this and think 'What the fuck.....'

http://imgur.com/gallery/1RlBuSM

Blogger bob kek mando ( NABTY ) January 02, 2017 2:16 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krAcPELzbVg

Anonymous Amir Larijani January 02, 2017 9:00 AM  

"Mixed martial arts bruiser Ronda Rousey won't fight Fallon Fox because she claims trans women have an 'unfair advantage..."

And yet she claimed she could beat Mayweather... ROFLMAO!

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