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Wednesday, December 21, 2016

Understanding the Alt-Right

This is a pretty good exploration of the conceptual thinking underlying the 16 Points of the Alt-Right:
Otto von Bismark described politics as the art of the possible.  Instead of listening to his advice, 20th century political theorists became idealistic, utopian, and mechanistic.  It would treat a given variable as independent from the rest of the equation, when in fact it was webbed to the rest of society through a network of feedback mechanisms. “If we could only tweak this one thing, while everything else remains constant, we would be able to create a more perfect world.” The law of unforeseen consequences followed from this, leading to a great deal of misery and destruction.

An organic, holistic approach is needed – one which doesn’t shy away from hard truths – while avoiding the fallacy of world building.  Castles in the sky have no place in adult discourse or political debates, and should be shunned by anyone who wishes to be taken seriously.  I have no idea if the Alt Right will remain a viable movement, or if it will be taken over by aggressive, subversive interests, but whatever happens to the label itself, Vox Days’ points remain a good starting point for creating a new political understanding of the world which is eminently practical, and capable of leading us away from the brink of societal collapse.

1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.

Neocons are best understood as Neo-Trotskyists, the dialectical response to Neo-Liberal Democrats, whose inevitable synthesis is Globalist Stalinism under the influence of figures such as George Soros.

2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk’s 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.

Libertarianism is an effect, not a cause, of a well ordered society.
Obviously, I'll be providing a considerably more in-depth treatment in time, but in the meantime, this is a productive continuation of the discourse.

You'll notice that the media, which is nominally eager to push forward all things Alt-Right, has avoided even mentioning the 16 Points like the plague, although they have been more broadly accepted by many across the Right than most of the figures and concepts they have attempted to elevate. That is because the 16 Points are eminently reasonable, obviously rational, and intrinsically sound, and therefore are not at all amenable to the media's false narrative.

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Blogger WTF December 21, 2016 5:15 PM  

Is First still a thing here?

Blogger Some Dude December 21, 2016 5:22 PM  

Basically the ALt Right as you seem to have defined it is 'Teddy Roosevelt Republican' or Bullmouse Party.

Its nationalism, with a civic mindedness, tough calculation of national interest over neoliberal special interest cucking, and a dash of racial pride and brashness with a paeon of humility of our ancestors and our stewardship of our society for future generations.

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2016 5:28 PM  

Good article by Judith Curry of Climate etc. supporting the thrust of Point 8 of the 16 Points.

‘Truthiness’ and ‘factiness’ in politicized scientific debates

The trappings of science can be decoupled from the actual rigor of science. .....
Factiness is why using the veneer of science to rationalize an idea is dangerous, making the idea appear more justified than it really is. It is pro-science in appearance, but anti-science in spirit.

Blogger weka December 21, 2016 5:32 PM  

@2. No. The Alt Right is not American. It is a way of approaching the political issues from a nationalist position in any Western Country.

It is a rejection of the US Constitution as magic. The Constitution did not make Americans, Americans made the constitution. A nation does not need a consitution: my one (NZ) does not have one, and it is a good thing because it stops lawyers treating it as a living document and forces the crown-in-parliament into some semblance of accountability.

I would accept it is a rediscovery of the dark art of statecraft as practiced by Wilberforce and Bismark but with one caveat: one should avoid excessive foreign entanglements.

Blogger Some Dude December 21, 2016 5:33 PM  

I agree with your buddy's points but the one about race is going to have to be debated a lot. Let's be frank, the alt right is a revolt against open borders, precisely because race matters and managing racial balances matters. If we have jews in government - we get endless wars in the Middle East and media promoting endless interracial sex. If we have blacks, corruption and stupidity. Muslims - you don't wanna know. Its necessary, the government can't be a UN diversity advert - it has to be run by whites for the interests of all, much like the world once was before deregulation removed all barriers for the high IQ low empathy race of man, and their fascist brethren, Zion more specifically, to assume control. I'm not saying nepotism, tribalism shouldn't be tampered, but this isn't engineering mon frere, this is politics, you gotta push back over their pie chart boundary to get the optimal boundary cos they'll push anyway. The Philosopher.

Blogger Some Dude December 21, 2016 5:35 PM  

@4 Agreed, any country can take these tenets and apply as it sees fit. It just strikes me as something Teddy would have liked, and certainly Teddy would be for today, leading the men into battle.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 21, 2016 5:40 PM  

@2

"Basically the ALt Right as you seem to have defined it is..."

Yes. It's actually very reasonable and moderate and sane. The only reason anyone considers it extreme is that a crazy ideology has control of the political narrative.

All of this would have been common sense before the leftist cultural revolution took over the West. Only the West is infected with liberal insanity. Africa isn't, Asia isn't, South America isn't, and Eastern Europe isn't. We weren't even infected with it a generation or two ago. When it passes we'll be normal societies again.

Globalism, or Neoliberalism, or whatever you want to call it is an ideological cult.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable December 21, 2016 5:42 PM  

Is First still a thing here?

Done it many times. Never got so much as a cookie.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 21, 2016 5:43 PM  

Let anyone who opposes a future for white children speak right up.

Blogger Some Dude December 21, 2016 5:47 PM  

How the west deals with the Jewish Question has always befuddled Western nations for centuries. Give them equal rights under the law - they use their verbal IQ to take over. Discriminate and pogrom - they start organising Bolshevik Revolution or using their agents in more powerful nations to flatten you and your bros. Hitler thought he could send them to Madagascar. Stalin to Siberia. Both eventually fell upon the Final Solution scenario after much disturbance and got removed. You can't have a functioning nationalist government of the (white) people, with jews around because (a) many jews don't see themselves as whites (b) owe loyalty to Israel (c) have a significantly different neuro profile to whites without intermarriage - higher IQ, lower affective empathy, schiz>autist. Its a very tough problem in political philosophy. Spain, Russia and the Germanic states have three wildly different approaches. Did Spain get the best deal? Jews contribute a lot to science and industry as well. Obviously creating a homeland for them doesn't help, even with the billion in tribute and fighting their wars. Tough cookie game theory problem. I'm sure someone somewhere has written a parasite-host modelling paper. Stationary bandit, of a different race. In the end, if the bandit isn't the same race as the servile farmer, history shows they are always expelled, eventually.

OpenID aew51183 December 21, 2016 5:53 PM  

Richard Spencer has seen to it that alt-right is dead as a brand. Major media now never mention it without, in the same breath, mentioning his nazi salute debacle and neo-nazis.

It's fine to shrug off what your enemies say, but Spencer has re-inforced it with his actions and thereby doomed the brand.

The ideas will endure because they reflect reality, but it's time to let go of the phrase.

Blogger Some Dude December 21, 2016 5:54 PM  

But the jew offers a lot of benefit to the host as our British friends found out against Napoleon. He is not a parasite, but a symbiotic parasite whose urges would to be regulated in a manner. But how do you regulate schiz genius?! He will only bribe and blackmail your gentile country club cuckold pit bosses! The Jewish Question is the political philosophy equivalent to Fermat's Last Theorem. Phil.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 21, 2016 5:57 PM  

Liberalism is based on hate. It's a coalition of xenophobic right-wing nationalisms. It's based on stirring up hatred of the white race-enemy the same way that the Nazis targeted the Jews or the Communists targeted the class enemy. No society based on obsessive hatred of an internal enemy can last.

They try to make it illegal to point out what they're doing because it threatens their hold on power. They call it hate speech. But that's just more projection. They're the ones who stir up race riots over fake atrocities every election year.

Blogger VD December 21, 2016 6:02 PM  

The ideas will endure because they reflect reality, but it's time to let go of the phrase.

Stop cucking. See point 12.

Anonymous Vermithrax Pejorative December 21, 2016 6:07 PM  

@11

Keep dreaming. The press has cried wolf too many times. So what if they call us Nazis? Everyone is a Nazi. Everyone is a racist. It doesn't mean anything.

We know we're outside the Overton window. We don't care if they call us names. The more attention we get, the more people hear what we say. When people realize the narrative is bullshit, we win.

Politicians can distance themselves from us all day. We don't care. Political power is not what we want. That's not what we're doing.

Blogger Elocutioner December 21, 2016 6:09 PM  

"Richard Spencer has seen to it that alt-right is dead as a brand"

Oh dear, he did it before they could promote someone else to be the official neo-nazi leader of the alt-right, to be their new David Duke patsy! Nobody could have seen this coming! If only we could devise some effective model on how to combat such divide and conquer Alinsky tactics...

Blogger praetorian December 21, 2016 6:17 PM  

Libertarianism is an effect, not a cause, of a well ordered society.

Damn, boy.

Anonymous Silly but True December 21, 2016 6:22 PM  

@3:
In same farewell speech which warned of the growing threat to the United States by what was identified as "The Military-Industrial Complex," Eisenhauer warned of the second equally dangerous threat:

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=90&page=transcript

A similarly evil marketing label was even given: "...Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."

Scientific-technological Elite.

It is a significant threat. Eisenhauer knew his evils well.

Anonymous MIG December 21, 2016 6:33 PM  

I myself like the term "identitarian" as in the "rise of identitarian consciousness" or "the identitarian movement." It is less gimmicky and less beholden to the old right/left division that is less useful today than it was a hundred years ago.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 21, 2016 6:40 PM  

@11 Allowing your opponent to dictate your actions is a certain way to lose. We don't care what they call us - even if they call us Nazis. Instead of explaining that no, we're not really Nazis, we'll respond that Hitler at least attempted to do what he believed was best for his people, unlike Obama and Merkel who are actively sabotaging their own nations.

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 6:40 PM  

"20th century political theorists became idealistic, utopian, and mechanistic"

An absolutely absurd statement. How do you dismiss 45 years of Kennanism.

Also, one can't begin to try to understand the Alt Right without pointing to its Utopianism and its tight grasp on a lost cause.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 21, 2016 6:46 PM  

@21 Lost cause? Not really. All we need to do is reunify whites to a large degree. We're never going to have total agreement, but it will be a different world once whites are as politically cohesive as American blacks currently are.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 21, 2016 6:47 PM  

Richard Spencer has seen to it that alt-right is dead as a brand.

Nonsense. Those of us who said it wasn't that big a deal have been proven right. The Old Media's obsession with it, trying to use a supposed Nazi connection to scapegoat the Alt-Right for their own failures, has only served to get more people to give the Alt-Right a fair look. I see more people claiming membership in or affinity with the Alt-Right, not fewer, and it will continue to grow.

I wouldn't go quite so far as to say Spencer's gaff was a good thing, but in the long run, who knows.

Blogger praetorian December 21, 2016 6:50 PM  

Nonsense. Those of us who said it wasn't that big a deal have been proven right.

100% agree, and I was one of the people who thought it was a big deal. I still view it as a mistake, but not a big deal.

Times have changed, folks.

Anonymous Elipe December 21, 2016 7:03 PM  

Noah B The MacroAggressor wrote:@21 Lost cause? Not really. All we need to do is reunify whites to a large degree. We're never going to have total agreement, but it will be a different world once whites are as politically cohesive as American blacks currently are.

Despite the fact that blacks account for at least 90% of murders of blacks, they still act politically cohesive. Even though they love to kill and rape each other and abandon their women to single motherhood, they still band together as a political bloc.

Meanwhile, certain (((whites))) worry about what their wives' sons think of them, and consequently, vote against their own kind. You can't make this shit up. It's time to make white tribalism great again.

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2016 7:14 PM  

LiveAM wrote:An absolutely absurd statement. How do you dismiss 45 years of Kennanism.

What is Kennanism??

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 7:14 PM  

"it will be a different world once whites are as politically cohesive as American blacks currently are"

=

Lost Cause and Utopianism

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 7:16 PM  

"What is Kennanism??"

George Kennan

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 21, 2016 7:22 PM  

"Lost Cause and Utopianism"

Everything is a lost cause when you've surrendered to defeatism and despair. That's why our enemies invest so many resources in psyops.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 21, 2016 7:24 PM  

"George Kennan"
https://infogalactic.com/info/George_F._Kennan

The latest troll is dragging in the cold war as some kind of defense of 20th century ideology which was often idealistic, utopian and mechanistic. Kennan's containment theory could be an exception, or could be just another example. It's arguable, but who cares?

Either way, the new troll LiveAM isn't here to discuss anything, just to disrupt via the usual troll poop.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 21, 2016 7:26 PM  

@30 Sounds accurate. But it's encouraging that the same people who said that Trump couldn't win are now saying that whites will never unify.

Anonymous bobdobbs December 21, 2016 7:26 PM  

um. Who?

See? Easy to dismiss 45 years of whatever the hell it is

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents December 21, 2016 7:26 PM  

@29
That's why our enemies invest so many resources in psyops.

Yeah, even going to the extreme of paying college dropouts to troll comments sections. Ain't that true, LiveAM?

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2016 7:28 PM  

LiveAM wrote:How do you dismiss 45 years of Kennanism.

Also, one can't begin to try to understand the Alt Right without pointing to its Utopianism and its tight grasp on a lost cause.


The best thing we can do if we want the Russians to let us be Americans is to let the Russians be Russian.
- George Kennan

5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

Hmmm......

Anonymous bobdobbs December 21, 2016 7:39 PM  

Yeah. What he said. Hmmm......

for the MAX lulz!
on the floor...

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 7:39 PM  

"Everything is a lost cause when you've surrendered to defeatism and despair"

It's not a surrender to defeatism anymore than accepting the copernican view of the solar system is a surrender to defeatism.

Black political cohesion is a result of blacks experiencing centuries of oppression in one form or another. Our history is replete with examples of this fact.

Whites have not experienced anything like this communal victimhood. In fact, during this year when Trump was supposed to have mobilized the white vote, he in fact did a percentage point or two worse than Romney in 2012.

Whites won't become cohesive based on race because they as a race are put upon. Whites might change the way they vote because they are experiencing economic dislocation and that isn't race based the way Black's experience is race based.

White Cohesiveness = Lost Cause/Utopianism

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 7:41 PM  

"See? Easy to dismiss 45 years of whatever the hell it is"

Yes, it is....just not logically.

Blogger tz December 21, 2016 7:47 PM  

In On Human Action, Mises tries very hard to poitn out any study, policy, etc. must be based on what actual human beings WILL DO.

The Alt-Right is Misean praxeology par excellance.

Before Molyneux became annoyed and disgusted at "libertarians" I was pointing out the simple fact that you can't simply give a copy of Rothbard or whatever and expect people to pledge fealty to the NAP (including to Molyneux 20 years ago responding to a post at LRC). There are evil and irrational people all around.

You can force many into following rules, but you need to have a group to define such rules.

The word "multiculturalism" obscures the fact that different cultures obey different rules. Sometimes marginally different, but often drastically and incompatibly different. This is what causes the "war" when diversity meets proximity. Sometimes it is hot, sometimes it is just the SJW shrieking. But still best to leave areas to their own culture. We look at Africa and think them primitive but they've adapted and lived there many times longer than we've had a culture. It works for them. We can offer alternatives, and they should accept those which can be ASSIMILATED into their culture. In some places longer time preferences are a disadvantage if not fatal.

The free market, economics, etc. is totally AMORAL. It provides the most efficient result, which might not be what you want, nor is invariant across space, time, and culture.


I haven't read the Missionaries, but the error is to laugh at the "primitive people". Imagine if the primitive people had the hubris to attempt to impose their centuries old successful culture on the "stupid whites". They aren't stupid but you can't take a worldview, gestalt, paradigm and just transplant it.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 21, 2016 7:47 PM  

Leftist faggots will never run out of excuses and lies.

Blogger Kyle Searle December 21, 2016 7:50 PM  

No, Blacks band together because they've never advanced socially past the tribal level of development. Meanwhile Europe and China have had states for 3'000 years. There's been a lot of effort in both the civilized East and West at grounding down the family unit so that loyalties were to the state and not the tribe. In China it was the bureaucracy and in the West it was the church. It's just that everywhere else but Europe and China, that process never happened. You can't replace 3'000 years of social development on a lark.

Anonymous bobdobbs December 21, 2016 7:53 PM  

ON THE FLOOR.
LITERALLY!

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor December 21, 2016 8:00 PM  

August 19, 1934 - 90% of Germans voted to merge the offices of president and chancellor to give more power to Hitler.

I guess the Germans had been oppressed for centuries, right?

Anonymous bobdobbs December 21, 2016 8:05 PM  

Well. I think that trollster LuveAM is actually the Littlest Cuck in disguise.

Blogger bosscauser December 21, 2016 8:18 PM  

People are fleeing the brown countries for the White making the white countries brown.
Now what?

#PresidrntTrump

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 8:33 PM  

"Well. I think that trollster LuveAM is actually the Littlest Cuck in disguise."

Three things wrong with this. 1st: Not a troll. 2nd: Not The Littlest Cuck. 3rd: You weren't thinking.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 21, 2016 9:05 PM  

Hell yes, Libertarianism can only exist in a society it cannot produce, tell it like it is!

Anonymous Grinder December 21, 2016 9:08 PM  

Why continue to go along with history as Jews claim it to be? Nazis were not the first to fight the Jews and give them a hard time. It was especially memorable when they did it because it is much more difficult to round up a stateless people and push them into territory beyond your borders post 19th century as was done many times in virtually every country Jews resided in prior to the NSDAP. Also overlooked by Jewish historians is the reasons for the unpleasant treatment meted out to Jews by the native populations in every case up to and including Nazi Germany. Violence is no longer necessary now that there is the state of Israel and so no one seriously supports extermination of any non-white race because they all have their own homelands to return to. I am all for leaving the past in the past if all agree to it but (((they))) are still using insults of racist, Nazi, hater, etc. to silence opponents of multicult Marxist globalism. I think it is the wrong path to run away in fear when called a racist or Nazi and bend over backwards to avoid saying that there was anything done in NSDAP Germany that may have been a good idea for fear of being accused of being pro-Nazi, pro-genocide, anti-Semitic. I never heard of Richard Spencer before the Nazi-salute story and don't feel any distancing is necessary. If you are fearful of alienating people from permitting Nazi imagery will you soon be similarly cowed into suppressing displays of Confederate battle flags? And where does it end? Quoting Founding Fathers who were slave owners? Saying out loud that Trayvon deserved to get shot? Opposing redoing Mt.Rushmore to include the first black president? You will never satisfy (((their))) demands. So, don't even start. The right answer was "We don't care" all along. I am comfortable with all 16 points of the alt-right.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 21, 2016 9:10 PM  

@45. You're both comical and pathetic at the same time, mostly comical because I find it impossible to pity scum like you :3

Anonymous CNN Reporter December 21, 2016 9:11 PM  

You'll notice that the media, which is nominally eager to push forward all things Alt-Right, has avoided even mentioning the 16 Points like the plague,

Vox, what are your thoughts that Hitler also divided people into different groups of people?

Do you disavow?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 21, 2016 9:17 PM  

Where are all the trolls coming from?

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 9:34 PM  

"I am all for leaving the past in the past if all agree to it but (((they))) are still using insults of racist, Nazi, hater, etc. to silence opponents of multicult Marxist globalism."

When jews, christian, Muslims, whites, blacks, etc point at folks like you or others and say, "Racist!" it's because they believe that it's useful to publicly identify racists.

Others think it's useful to identify Jews when they see them and publicly cry, "((())).

What's important to understand is that those who yell "((()))" and "Cuckservative" are inconsequential.

Others think it's useful to publicly identify insufficiently nationalists/conservative and yell, "cuckservative".

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 21, 2016 9:36 PM  

It's fine to shrug off what your enemies say, but Spencer has re-inforced it with his actions and thereby doomed the brand.

The ideas will endure because they reflect reality, but it's time to let go of the phrase.


They would have found a way to do the same regardless. There exist no circumstances in which they would not have found an excuse to paint us as Nazis. It's time to stop accepting their frame.

Be a man damnit.

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2016 9:40 PM  

LiveAM wrote:What's important to understand is that those who yell "((()))" and "Cuckservative" are inconsequential.

Nobody is yelling except you.

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2016 9:50 PM  

LiveAM wrote:Black political cohesion is a result of blacks experiencing centuries of oppression in one form or another. Our history is replete with examples of this fact.

Black political cohesion is based biologically on pigmentation and environmentally through cultural determinism.

Its called identity politics. Now whites are experiencing the same thing, and the result will be the same, only in larger numbers.

All your baseless assertions piss into the wind.

Anonymous Stickwick December 21, 2016 10:24 PM  

It would treat a given variable as independent from the rest of the equation, when in fact it was webbed to the rest of society through a network of feedback mechanisms. “If we could only tweak this one thing, while everything else remains constant, we would be able to create a more perfect world.”

Yes, because this methodology works SO WELL in science and engineering. Let's just jack up the temperature of this closed system and completely disregard any change in the pressure. And these are supposedly the reality-based, science-loving people? Pfft.

Anonymous BiigGayKoranBurner December 21, 2016 10:32 PM  

But the jew offers a lot of benefit to the host as our British friends found out against Napoleon.

Napoleon was the greatest enemy of jews before Hitler. That's why now in French textbooks there is just 2 pages of him including a picture of him on a toilet, but 20+ pages about a black king who had lots of surface gold who spent it like a drunken NFL player.

If you recall after Napoleon's defeat the jews killed others homing pigeons and provided false news to crash British markets making a killing. Liquidated all their holdings saying he won, then bought up holdings that lowered their values after news of his winning, which were more valuable because he lost.

Please produce a real example of benefit.

Black political cohesion is a result of blacks experiencing centuries of oppression in one form or another

More like low IQ and lack of empathy. Insert Amren Schoolteacher essay showing black students thought it was ok for people to rape kids in the dome during Katrina because they thought they was goonna die, & stealing TVs was the act of survivalists. I know real survivalists and none of them can eat at TV.

Leftist faggots will never run out of excuses and lies.

They just keep using the same ones spread by jewish lesbian gatekeepers on Soros' payroll.

so no one seriously supports extermination of any non-white race because they all have their own homelands to return to.

How exactly do you think you can convince black/brown people to leave welfare/dole in white nations to go back to what their people are capable of achieving? The last king of Rwanda lives on welfare in Virginia getting better free healthcare than you can buy in his homeland. Being on welfare/dole in white nations gives you a better lifestyle than the 1% in black nations.

but Spencer has re-inforced it with his actions and thereby doomed the brand

Even with Spencer the (((media))) showed the same salute scene from 3 different angles presenting it as 3x the salutes. Watch the video and pay attention to the dark suit with purple cuffs to see the magic.

Anonymous kfg December 21, 2016 10:34 PM  

"It would treat a given variable as independent from the rest of the equation, when in fact it was webbed to the rest of society through a network of feedback mechanisms. “If we could only tweak this one thing, while everything else remains constant, we would be able to create a more perfect world.” The law of unforeseen consequences followed from this, leading to a great deal of misery and destruction."

We're talking about statins, right?

"An organic, holistic approach is needed . . ."

Yup. The human body is not a machine full of gears and pulleys. It's a chaotic chemical process of nested feedback loops. Poke one thing and everything else moves.

"Libertarianism is an effect, not a cause, of a well ordered society."

That government is best which governs not at all, and when man is ready for it that is the sort of government we will have.

We do not have that sort of government, ergo . . .

Anonymous Hitler December 21, 2016 10:52 PM  

More like low IQ and lack of empathy. Insert Amren Schoolteacher essay showing black students thought it was ok for people to rape kids in the dome during Katrina because they thought they was goonna die, & stealing TVs was the act of survivalists. I know real survivalists and none of them can eat at TV.

You only had to listen.

Blogger 1337kestrel December 21, 2016 11:56 PM  

Thomas Aquinas says it has to be.

OpenID nwinsor December 22, 2016 12:16 AM  

Does anyone know where a Japanese translation of the 16 Points might be found?

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Blogger Martin X December 22, 2016 12:31 AM  

Alt-Right means you are pro-white and not afraid to confront all of the anti-whites including Jews.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 22, 2016 1:33 AM  

LoseAM is a long-time troll, I've forgotten his oldername, it was something like "Sybianrider". He keeps changing it because he thinks it masks his id.
But it's always the same old shit.

Why don't you pluck up your courage and go get a job. You'll respect yourself more.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 22, 2016 1:40 AM  

Libertarianism may be a product of the manoral system that only existed in northwest Europe. It's a white thing. Nobody else will really understand.

Blogger weka December 22, 2016 2:03 AM  

@Stickwick.
Yes, because this methodology works SO WELL in science and engineering. Let's just jack up the temperature of this closed system and completely disregard any change in the pressure. And these are supposedly the reality-based, science-loving people? Pfft.

You forgot the variable is a proxy measure of a latent virtue, and these people neither believe in virtue or that proxy measures do not correlate with reality.

Add in an inability to think in any manner but linearly (thus denying this is a closed feedback loop) and you chuckle when they are shocked, shocked, that their intervention was a disaster.

Blogger Sillon Bono December 22, 2016 4:17 AM  

@25

""Despite the fact that blacks account for at least 90% of murders of blacks, they still act politically cohesive. Even though they love to kill and rape each other and abandon their women to single motherhood, they still band together as a political bloc.""

This is an effect I always describe as 'All pushing in the same direction'

If all puah in the same direction and stick to the narrative of the greater good, for the cause, you achieve ends that can be described as "conspiracy" without having to make people agree on secret meetings. Every piece just does its work.

Now I wonder who could orchestrate such "reactions" in people and create narratives so that low IQ groups will willingly do the dirty work 'spontaneously'.

Who I wonder...

Anonymous Fed Up Aussie December 22, 2016 4:24 AM  

OT, Wednesday night a van loaded with gas bottles was driven into the headquarters of the Australian Christian Lobby in Canberra, Australia, and exploded. The driver survived and claims it was not a terrorist attack and he just wanted to commit suicide. No details have been released about him.

Blogger Thucydides December 22, 2016 7:10 AM  

Liberal media avoiding talking points? Say it ain't so!

Samizdat is a great way to get around censors, and posting the 16 points on paper on bulletin boards and telephone poles isn't something the Ctrl-left is going to find easy to counter.

Blogger digra December 22, 2016 7:11 AM  

Vox, can you elucidate in what points the Alt-Right differs from the notion of Paleo-Conservatism as per Pat Buchanan?

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 22, 2016 7:38 AM  

kfg wrote:We're talking about statins, right?

Yep, and the examples are practically endless.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 22, 2016 7:42 AM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:It's a white thing. Nobody else will really understand.

Something it took me a while to understand, but it makes so much sense now. Now to get the likes of Tom Woods to make the leap. Harder though, as he and his ilk have so much invested in the "brand" and people almost never make such a shift.

Blogger Some Dude December 22, 2016 7:44 AM  

@56

Well, if you read Niall Ferguson's book, he makes the cogent point that financing, and not warfare, decided that Britain would defeat Napoleon.

Unfortunately they sold their soul (and high yield gov bonds) to the devil to become 'the empire on which the sun never sets'.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III December 22, 2016 9:49 AM  

"we'll respond that Hitler"

Did Nothing Wrong

Blogger James Dixon December 22, 2016 10:08 AM  

> How do you dismiss 45 years of Kennanism.

Since almost no one even knows who he was, very easily.

> Whites have not experienced anything like this communal victimhood.

They've been doing so for the past 20 years or more.

> Yes, it is....just not logically.

If logic had anything to do with it you wouldn't be here.

> Three things wrong with this. 1st: Not a troll.

Sure you're not.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 22, 2016 10:34 AM  

Stickwick wrote:Yes, because this methodology works SO WELL in science and engineering. Let's just jack up the temperature of this closed system and completely disregard any change in the pressure.
Actual scientists and engineers generally do a hell of a lot better at thinking consequences through than pols do, but pols beat them at the polls because MPAI and dialectic comes through to them as sperging.

Anonymous Avalanche December 22, 2016 10:45 AM  

@23 "I wouldn't go quite so far as to say Spencer's gaff was a good thing, but in the long run, who knows."

Y'all seen this?

https://medium.com/@recnepss/does-love-really-live-here-fff159563ba3#.x6g634spy

My name is Sherry Spencer, and I am Richard Spencer's mom. I'm a resident of Whitefish, Montana, and am the proud owner of a beautiful mixed-use facility in town.

It was years ago now that I first broke ground on the building, which features vacation-rental apartments and office spaces. ...I am the sole owner of the facility. It was built, not just with my capital, but with my ideas and sensibility.
...
Richard does not own the building, nor has he ever used it for his writing or publishing. Put simply, the building has nothing to do with politics  --  and it has everything to do with tourism and local businesses.

I had no intention of selling . . . until I started receiving terrible threats in the last couple of weeks.

These threats came from Tanya Gersh, a local realtor with links to "human rights" organizations Love Lives Here and the Montana Human Rights Network.

On November 22, Gersh and I spoke on the phone. She relayed to me that if I did not sell my building, 200 protesters and national media would show up outside  --  which would drive down the property value  --  until I complied. Gersh's other conditions included that I make a public denunciation of my son in a statement written by the Montana Human Rights Network and that I make a donation to this organization from the sale of the property. As Gersh announced on Facebook, she was "spear heading" the campaign.
...
Gersh followed up on her conditions in a number of emails, which I've just made public. She even shamelessly suggested that she act as my realtor! In other words, she and the local "human rights" organizations appeared to seek financial benefit from threats of protests and reputation damage. The same day Gersh first contacted me, I received a sales offer, even though I had not expressed any intention to sell, nor had anything been publicized.

One renter reported to me that Gersh threatened her business with boycotts unless she moved. This renter also alleged that Gersh called her "collateral damage." ...

(followed by lots of good comments)

Blogger Akulkis December 22, 2016 5:20 PM  

@51 Tape-delayedCB

"
What's important to understand is that those who yell "((()))" and "Cuckservative" are inconsequential."

Well, that's your (literally) worthless opinion. Well, maybe not worthless. Most of your opinions that I read seem to actually be of negative value -- that you would be better off having NO opinion than to hold the opinions which you are espousing here.

Blogger wreckage December 23, 2016 12:36 AM  

Cuckservatives are politically irrelevant. They will be destroyed... or rather, their self-destruction will have its obvious outcome.

The word cuckservative only exists because the people it describes exist. And now that their is a simple identification for them, tinged with outrage, contempt, and derision, they are done.

Blogger kurt9 December 23, 2016 2:42 PM  

It seems to me that the alt-right is a mix of libertarianism and nationalism. Its libertarianism with proper border control. Is this a fair assessment?

Anonymous CountZero December 23, 2016 9:07 PM  

Some Dude:
"Basically the ALt Right as you seem to have defined it is 'Teddy Roosevelt Republican' or Bullmouse Party."

No way. Vox says no progressives.

Blogger technovelist December 24, 2016 8:08 PM  

@80 I am now describing myself as an AnCapNat, short for "anarcho-capitalist-nationalist".

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