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Wednesday, December 21, 2016

What War on Christmas?

The Carlos Slim blog can't find it:
It’s that time of year again, folks. It’s time for the War on Christmas.

What is that, you may ask? The short answer: a sometimes histrionic yuletide debate over whether the United States is a country that respects Christianity.

For the longer answer, keep reading.

The idea of a “War on Christmas” has turned things like holiday greetings and decorations into potentially divisive political statements. People who believe Christmas is under attack point to inclusive phrases like “Happy Holidays” as (liberal) insults to Christianity.

For over a decade, these debates have taken place mainly on conservative talk radio and cable programs. But this year they also burst onto a much grander stage: the presidential election.

At a rally in Wisconsin last week, Donald J. Trump stood in front of a line of Christmas trees and repeated a campaign-trail staple.

“When I started 18 months ago, I told my first crowd in Wisconsin that we are going to come back here some day and we are going to say ‘Merry Christmas’ again,” he said. “Merry Christmas. So, Merry Christmas everyone. Happy New Year, but Merry Christmas.”

Christmas is a federal holiday celebrated widely by the country’s Christian majority. So where did the idea that it is threatened come from?
Where indeed?

Berlin Christmas market attack killer still on the loose, say police

Also, if you say "Merry Christmas" to anyone, you are insensitive, a racist, a bigot, and an anti-Semite.

Happy Kwanzanukkadan, and may the metaphorical spirit of evolution naturally select you, your kin,and those who immigrate to replace them.

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122 Comments:

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 21, 2016 8:06 AM  

Happy Solstice Day to all the Dread Ilk!

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2016 8:09 AM  

I've been amazed at the look of relief on peoples faces when you respond to their "Happy Holidays" with a simple "Merry Christmas".

Why, it's almost like was a war on and it was a code phrase for the resistance or something.

Blogger Boko Harambe December 21, 2016 8:11 AM  

I have friends and a few relatives who attempt to wish me Happy ChrismaHannuKwanzaaKah, in a jesting yet transparently mocking manner.

One SIL sends Festivus cards and specifically calls on Christmas Day to wish us a happy festivus. I told her we celebrate Christmas and that I wished her a merry one. She calls less frequently.

My brother, raised in the same Catholic household as me, married a (((secularist))) who nonetheless looked VI's the outward commercial trappings of Christmas. Their hous: lights all over, multiple trees, Macy's Windows on all the frontispiece of their home...but no Christ.

Without Christ it is not Christmas.

It's an article of faith that "Merry Christmas" ought be well met with a greeting in kind. The War is obvious when one cannot even say as much without meeting with disapproval.

Blogger The Kurgan December 21, 2016 8:19 AM  

I make a point of it to say "Merry Christmas!" With genuine good cheer. Especially to any obviously Islamic people that give me any excuse for interaction whatever. Generally well received, but I do enjoy the ones who look down, mumble something and look uncomfortable.
That's right, it's YOU who are gonna be uncomfortable. And you have no idea how much, yet.

Anonymous Piper VFM December 21, 2016 8:32 AM  

I work at a call center and end each call wishing my customer a Joyous Christmas Season. Usually get as Merry Christmas back.

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind December 21, 2016 8:32 AM  

For those that don't know, Wegmans is a well loved grocery chain on the east coast run by a christian family. My local Wegmans used to have a wonderful christmas display. The entire store was wrapped in lights, stars, garlands and fake snow. Kids loved it.

Now they don't put anything up other than a small wreath in the front. I asked customer service and they said that the decorations made people uncomfortable and sales increased once they stopped doing the displays. The DC area has had an influx of indian and middle easterners in fairfax county who also happen to largely live where two out of the three local wegmans are.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/supermarket.chain.wegmans.apologises.for.refusing.to.bake.cake.for.ex.muslims/89130.htm

Blogger Whisker biscuit December 21, 2016 8:36 AM  

Everyone gets a Merry Christmas around here except the post-wall feminist bed-hoppers. They get a Merry Syphillis!

Blogger SteelPalm December 21, 2016 8:36 AM  

Amazing that Mr. Liam Stack published that piece the same day a jihadi killed 12 people in a Christmas market. Proving the God Emperor right yet again.

Incidentally, Mr. Stack is an Irishman, judging by the name and face?

Blogger Eric Mueller December 21, 2016 8:47 AM  

I take a "conspiracy" view of history, but there are times when I can't tell if the leftists in the media are doing this deliberately, or if the atheist Jews at the NYT simply do not have a frame of reference to understand what the hell they're talking about, so they're talking out of their asses.

Anonymous AbuDhabi December 21, 2016 8:47 AM  

I hereby resolve to reply to anyone objecting against me wishing them Merry Christmas: "Merry Christmas, *infidel*."

Blogger Avalanche December 21, 2016 8:49 AM  

@2 "I've been amazed at the look of relief on peoples faces when you respond to their "Happy Holidays" with a simple "Merry Christmas"."

I've been ending my random conversations (store clerks, phone calls, etc.) with: "Now that Trump has been elected, we can SAY it again: "MERRY Christmas to you and yours!" (Throw a little shiv in with the Christmas wishes! Makes the NeverTrumpers and Libs wince!)

Anonymous IDF Veteran December 21, 2016 8:50 AM  

Yes, "Merry Christmas" is extremely offensive to Jewish people. Who are you really celebrating? Some weirdo who pretended to be "god" who spawned other weirdos who went on to spawn concentration camps? Some Egyptian sorcerer whose blaspheme later offended the Roman occupiers? The birth of a guy whose only claim to fame was taking a 3-day nap (I've had longer hangovers!)

If a majority of Americans are waking up and rejecting this nasty superstition, then I say good riddance.

Blogger Eric Mueller December 21, 2016 8:52 AM  

When people tell me "Happy Holidays!", I usually respond with "Yes, you too have a happy unspecified solstice cultural observance."

A coworker put on a Santa suit and was walking around the building "playing Santa". He was telling people "Happy Holidays". Since I know the guy and he's somewhat of a friend, I asked him later on "Why the hell would the very symbol of Christmas say Happy Holidays?" Where I work, we seem to have a very high percentage of Christians. I overhear a lot of conversations of people talking about their churches. I told everybody "Merry Christmas" on my way out yesterday. Nobody seemed to mind.

Blogger GAHCindy December 21, 2016 8:52 AM  

Know what drives me nuts? The last couple of years, I've read several articles (notably by Mark Steyn, but others have caught on now) about how neat it is that our "best" and "favorite" Christmas songs were written by Jews. Those would be all the ones that miss Christ and salvation's plan entirely. I'll be home for Christmas, etc. I had never noticed that until he said something, but...yeah. Huh. Ain't it wonderful how they did that, just for little ol' us? Doesn't look like a favor to me, but an erasure. And we fell for it. And are still thanking them for it. No war on Christmas here! Who needs war when we'll just hand it over?

Blogger SteelPalm December 21, 2016 8:52 AM  

@12

Trolls are becoming increasingly obvious.

Blogger VD December 21, 2016 8:56 AM  

I've read several articles (notably by Mark Steyn, but others have caught on now) about how neat it is that our "best" and "favorite" Christmas songs were written by Jews. Those would be all the ones that miss Christ and salvation's plan entirely.

The earlier immigrants removed Christianity from Christmas because it offended them. Now they're trying to eliminate Christmas from the public square for the same reason.

I like Silver Bells. It's my favorite modern Christmas carol. But I understand that it was an intentional attempt to celebrate the secularization of the real holiday. And it simply can't compete with the Hallelujah Chorus, which to me is the true spirit of Christmas as celebrated by Christians.

Blogger Bobo #117 December 21, 2016 8:58 AM  

@IDF (I Dig Fags?)

We don't say Merry Christmas to you over in Israel.
We say it in America, you know, the nation founded by Christians.
Scram on back to the desert, now. Shoo.

Blogger VD December 21, 2016 8:59 AM  

Yes, "Merry Christmas" is extremely offensive to Jewish people.

Then move to Jerusalem. The West is Christian.

Blogger YIH December 21, 2016 9:00 AM  

Is anyone surprised (((NYT writers))) like Robo Friedman and ''economist'' Krugman don't care about the war on Christmas? Me neither.
Although TBH, I've heard more of the anti-semitic ''Merry Christmas'' than the multicultural ''Happy Holidays'' this year.

Blogger SteelPalm December 21, 2016 9:01 AM  

Come on guys, it's an obvious troll. Even has the silly username and everything. Perhaps a bit more subtle than "Goldstein Shekels", but not by much.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 21, 2016 9:02 AM  

One SIL sends Festivus cards and specifically calls on Christmas Day to wish us a happy festivus.

That! Why do atheists or agnostics go out of their way to celebrate ANYTHING on the 24th / 25th? They could just choose to drop it.

What dreary spoil sports godless people are. And they claim that religion, and in particular Catholicism,would weigh us down and forbid us joy in life? How absurd!

Why can an atheist, who typically bitterly screeches how happy he is with his lot, not simply reply to a good faith wish of Merry Christmas with something like : "Thank you for your well wishes, albeit I will not celebrate Christmas and won't be merry ; as I'm atheist, you see. Still, since you are, however, Christian, indeed I wish yourself a Merry Christmas. Since I'm educated, I happen to know that it's an important spiritual time for you and your family. And since I believe in nothing spiritual at all, it's actually all the same to me, so it may be just as well at least one of the two of us who enjoys Christmas."

Why are those "public atheists" incapable of that small kindness? Could it be possible that, after all, it isn't the same to them after all? That they don't really unbelieve in any kind of spirituality? But actually feel the need to befoul good natured spirituality?

Anonymous SugarPi December 21, 2016 9:09 AM  

I've noticed a merrier "Merry Christmas" in our neck of the woods (solidly Christian)... the Trump effect, no doubt.

Blogger B.J. December 21, 2016 9:12 AM  

If you're an atheist and you get offended by Christmas then you simply have a rotten soul.

Anonymous George of the Jungle December 21, 2016 9:17 AM  

There is no war on Christmas. That's a fig newton of your overactive imaginations. It's just that public square thingy that causes everybody to have such bad fweewings. So as long as you Christians celebrate your silly religion exclusively inside your closet, then everything is A-ok.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2016 9:20 AM  

> Yes, "Merry Christmas" is extremely offensive to Jewish people.

Good. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

> Come on guys, it's an obvious troll.

Well, duh.

Blogger 4499 December 21, 2016 9:51 AM  

"War on Christmas!?! Oh my, merciful heavens no, there's no war on Christmas! And Carlos Slim? Why, that's just Charlie Slender! Charlie Slender is as American as the dogs that are hot, which people eat for some reason, and the torte of apples, and the Ny Mets are his favorite baseball squadron! War on Christmas! Pish posh!"

Anonymous Fisher December 21, 2016 9:52 AM  

George of the Jungle wrote:There is no war on Christmas. That's a fig newton of your overactive imaginations. It's just that public square thingy that causes everybody to have such bad fweewings. So as long as you Christians celebrate your silly religion exclusively inside your closet, then everything is A-ok.

Merry Christmas!

Now go fuck your mother.

Blogger YIH December 21, 2016 9:57 AM  

@12:
The birth of a guy whose only claim to fame was taking a 3-day nap (I've had longer hangovers!)
I'm sure you have.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 21, 2016 9:57 AM  

Even the NYTs can attempt to troll, wish them a Merry Xmas anyway, "you old miserable bastard(s) you."

Anonymous BBGKB December 21, 2016 10:01 AM  

I think Carlos Slim had a hand in the Hispanic outreach in the new Dr Strange Movie, I am pretty sure it didn't used to be THE WHOREY Hostesses OF WUAREZ.

This moslem Christmas market attack is making it harder to spread the message that importing cowardly stupid moslems to attack well armed Christians would backfire onto easier targets.

about how neat it is that our "best" and "favorite" Christmas songs were written by Jews.

Who else would make songs about gay apparel?

IDF (I Dig Fags?) Vox might ban me if I suggest what the D stands for.

Blogger praetorian December 21, 2016 10:06 AM  

Why is it always the Irish playing the shabbos goy?

Hart-Celler being the most obvious and outrageous one.

Blogger praetorian December 21, 2016 10:08 AM  

^^ Pic related

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2016 10:11 AM  

We go every other year to the live performance of Handel's Messiah. Absolutely rapturous.

Anonymous Carlos Danger December 21, 2016 10:13 AM  

We stopped giving gifts and put Christ back in the center of Christmas last year. I have everything I want anyway and then some and then some again. It was absolutely beautiful. We buy stuff for the children but the gift we give is from Christ. No anger, no resentment, no hard feelings, just peace, harmony, and joy.

Anonymous Ralphy December 21, 2016 10:17 AM  

Also, if you say "Merry Christmas" to anyone, you are insensitive, a racist, a bigot, and an anti-Semite.

This is not true. You need to get out more. Of course, you are an insensitive, a racist, a bigot, and an anti-Semite, so maybe you are just misreading why people think that of you.

Anonymous rienzi December 21, 2016 10:17 AM  

NYT:"People who believe Christmas is under attack point to inclusive phrases like “Happy Holidays” as (liberal) insults to Christianity."

Thats not quite accurate.

People who believe Christmas is under attack point to inclusive phrases like “Happy Holidays” as (((liberal))) insults to Christianity.

There, fixed it.

Anonymous Carlos Danger December 21, 2016 10:19 AM  

As far as Christmas Carols go, the best ones were written by Christians mostly during the Renaissance. Silent Night in German is very moving, as is Oh Tannenbaum. The modern secular ones are their attempt to coopt and corrupt Christmas. And hats off to Handel's Messiah. I wish I knew where it was being played. I would go every year myself. What a great piece of art.

Anonymous WaterBoy December 21, 2016 10:20 AM  

Franz Lyonheart @21: "Why can an atheist, who typically bitterly screeches how happy he is with his lot, not simply reply to a good faith wish of Merry Christmas with something like : "Thank you for your well wishes, albeit I will not celebrate Christmas and won't be merry ; as I'm atheist, you see. Still, since you are, however, Christian, indeed I wish yourself a Merry Christmas. Since I'm educated, I happen to know that it's an important spiritual time for you and your family. And since I believe in nothing spiritual at all, it's actually all the same to me, so it may be just as well at least one of the two of us who enjoys Christmas."

Really? Usually I just reply "Merry Christmas" back, or "And to you, as well". But you'd rather hear a tiresome spiel like that, instead?

To each their own, I suppose.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 21, 2016 10:21 AM  

@SteelPalm

(((Concern))) over the goyi-er comments section getting the wrong idea duly noted.

Blogger SteelPalm December 21, 2016 10:37 AM  

@39

I've noted your rampant idiocy a long time ago. But thanks.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 21, 2016 10:45 AM  

@14 True, actually. Interesting, that. Never noticed it before.

Blogger Sevron December 21, 2016 10:46 AM  

I only say Merry Christmas. The others can fucking stifle themselves while in my country.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein December 21, 2016 11:00 AM  

To All My Democrat, Progressive, SJW Friends:



Please accept with no obligation, implied or explicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of
others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2017, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily
greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.



To My Republican, Libertarian and Alt.Right Friends:

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Anonymous URL IRL December 21, 2016 11:13 AM  


One of my favorites is "oh holy night". Beautiful song.

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 11:18 AM  

"Also, if you say "Merry Christmas" to anyone, you are insensitive, a racist, a bigot, and an anti-Semite."

Ah, yes. The old "Christians are persecuted" trope. I call BS. There's no war on Christians nor their churches, nor their holidays and anyone who tries to say otherwise is just a gasbag looking for some sort of sympathy for their martyr complex.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 21, 2016 11:20 AM  

@38 yes really.

Well not really literally; yes I agree it's too long. But that should be a good-faith atheist's mindset behind it. I gather you have that or similar mindset, so good on you, sir, I'm not complaining.

Examples of the opposite are e.g. the recent "Holiday Message" of our cowardly (or converged? Or both?) CEO of "very large firm" (bank). Which he sent to all employees by email. In which he stresses how important it is to have a peaceful time with the family. There's a thousand triggers for snowflakes here, such as what about employees without families, what about those employees on Christmas duty etc., but let's ignore that nonsense.

No, my question is, why bother? I admit that a global company, a secular firm, one of the 10 or so largest banks, has no need to participate in Christmas or any Christian celebration, even though headquartered in a Christian country. So why does this CEO see the need to nonetheless prerecord and distribute a "Happy Holiday" message? In order to patronise his employees that at the end of the year they should relax? It simply makes no sense.

From a purely commercial point of view, save your year-end message for January where you explain the 2016 numbers profit etc. to employees and investors!

But if you do feel the need to acknowledge some at least cultural background, speak out which it is! So what's it going to be?

Either Happy Christmas, or shut up. But don't Happy Holiday me! I mean, you don't do that in the REAL "holiday season" either - August.

Blogger Carnivore December 21, 2016 11:21 AM  

@14
How do some put it - certain (((composers))) made Christmas about snow (White Christmas) and Easter about a fashion show (Easter Parade).

@6
I was pleasantly surprised by my bank - a privately held, family run business, with only one location - beautiful Christmas tree with a nativity scene under the tree and decorations at each teller station. My teller gave me a hearty "Merry Christmas" first to which I replied the same.

Then there's the "Christmas starts earlier each year" nonsense, presumably to boost year-end retail sales and the immediate cutoff on January second (or even December 27th once the sales are over). I attributed my surprise at my evangelical relatives putting the tree up on the day after Thanksgiving and taking it down on January 2nd to my sheltered upbringing in a Catholic home and (mostly) Catholic neighborhood. Apparently, this has been the American norm much longer than the last 30 years. Maria von Trapp was just as surprised when they got off the boat in the 1940's and Advent is not just an RC thing.


It was fall when we arrived in the United States. The first weeks passed rapidly, filled with new discoveries every day, and soon we came across a beautiful feast, which we had never celebrated before: Thanksgiving Day, an exclusively American feast. With great enthusiasm we included it in the calendar of our family feasts.

Who can describe our astonishment, however, when a few days after our first Thanksgiving Day we heard from a loudspeaker in a large department store the unmistakable melody of “Silent Night”! Upon our excited inquiry, someone said, rather surprised: “What is the matter? Nothing is the matter. Time for Christmas shopping!”

It took several Christmas seasons before we understood the connection between Christmas shopping and “Silent Night” and the other carols blaring from loudspeakers in these pre-Christmas weeks.

And even now that we do understand, it still disturbs us greatly. These weeks before Christmas, known as the weeks of Advent, are meant to be spent in expectation and waiting.

This is the season for Advent songs–those age-old hymns of longing and waiting; “Silent Night” should be sung for the first time on Christmas Eve. We found that hardly anybody knows any Advent songs. And we were startled by something else soon after Christmas, Christmas trees and decorations vanish from the show windows to be replaced by New Year’s advertisements.

On our concert trips across the country we also saw that the lighted Christmas trees disappear from homes and front yards and no one thinks to sing a carol as late as January 2nd.

This was all very strange to us, for we were used to the old-world Christmas, which was altogether different but which we determined to celebrate now in our new country.

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 11:21 AM  

"Either Happy Christmas, or shut up. But don't Happy Holiday me! I"

We'll "Happy Holiday" anyone we damn want to, including you. What are you going to do, slug a person for wishing you happy holidays. Well, it's not the worst idea, at least it would get your type off the street when you are put in jail for assault.

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade December 21, 2016 11:32 AM  

All of those suits we've seen over nativity scenes are just in your imagination. Oh that reminds me, the Governor of my state is doing the official Menorah lighting today. Funny how that never gets brought to court.

Blogger S. Misanthrope December 21, 2016 11:33 AM  

I was a very young child when "happy holidays" was mandated. It was 100% a government and 100% a liberal push. The current attempt to deny that the left had anything to do with our terminology around Christmas weirds me out more than most of their other lies. Are they not proud of what they achieved? Do the inclusiveness arguments that justified forcing "happy holidays" on us no longer apply? Not that they ever made any sense. Christian or no, *everyone* celebrated Christmas in the US, at least back then.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 21, 2016 11:35 AM  

@49, lol, that jail time might indeed be well worth it matey, well worth it. Sinner that I am, I have trouble obeying my Lord when it comes to turning the other cheek! ;)

Wish me Happy Holidays not now, but in the holiday season. You know, in summer, in August. When people go on their big annual holiday.

Haha, you're some funny bugger.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 21, 2016 11:36 AM  

^ @48 not 49

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 21, 2016 11:39 AM  

Of course it's just more lefty gaslighting, rife with sophistry, meant to gnaw at the edge; gradually, insidiously, relentlessly. It's been very effective, you've got to admit. Until the right people really start to pay attention and look at things from a larger perspective.

And yes, the best way to fight this is to take it right at them. In their face. No apologies or explanations. But cheerfully and nicely. It'll kill 'em.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 21, 2016 11:48 AM  

@ 40

You're welcome and Merry Christmas, we'll put you in the ovens last.

Blogger Retrenched December 21, 2016 11:50 AM  

Of course it's just more lefty gaslighting, rife with sophistry, meant to gnaw at the edge; gradually, insidiously, relentlessly.

Yep.

"There's no such thing as a war on Christmas"

"There's no such thing as racism against whites"

"There's no such thing as sexism against men"

"There's no such thing as Cultural Marxism"

"There's no such thing as political correctness"

"There's no such thing as liberal press bias"

Etc.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 21, 2016 12:00 PM  

Related is the fact that just about nobody knows what the 12 days of Christmas actually are. (You probably couldn't find 1 person in a hundred who does these days. Many confuse it with Advent.)

Of course the cause is related to all the other secularizing of Christmas. Everything from movies mis-portraying them, to stupid crap like store sales gimmicks, etc.

And I've long been irritated by the notion that all the decorations, tree, etc. should go up immediately after Thanksgiving. For many reasons but it just gets old by the time Christmas actually rolls around; not to mention Epiphany Day, Jan 6.

I believe I remember my parents waiting until much closer to Xmas day and then taking the tree down Jan 6 or later.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 21, 2016 12:02 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:@56

And for reference I'm 53 yrs old.

Blogger Boko Harambe December 21, 2016 12:08 PM  

Duke Norfolk, Christmastide officially ends on February 2, at Candlemas, when all the candles to be used in church ceremonies throughout the year are blessed. It is also the Feast of Saint Blaise and the blessing of throats.

The tree, all decorations, went up on Christmas Eve and were taken down by Candlemas. Usually Epiphany was considered the end of the Christmas season, but not so much in strictly traditional Catholic homes and parishes.

The loss of this communal rhythm has done much damage to our cohesion as a people.

Blogger Boko Harambe December 21, 2016 12:11 PM  

I'm not disputing your point at all. I remember the old rhythm, and strive to maintain it, but it's proving difficult without broad community support.

I've heard stories of the twelve days of Christmas, how it is a Catholic reminder of the apostles and the true meaning of Christmas and Christ coming as salvation, hidden in a song when Catholics were personae non gratae in Britain, &c. I've never investigated the evidence for or against that, though.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 21, 2016 12:32 PM  

I believe I remember my parents waiting until much closer to Xmas day and then taking the tree down Jan 6 or later.

That's how we do it: tree goes up the weekend before Christmas, and comes down after Epiphany. It's nice; you're not sick of Christmas by the time Christmas dinner wears off, the way many today seem to be.

Sadly, I know even traditional Catholics who are currently celebrating day 7 or so of the 12 days of Christmas. Bob and Doug McKenzie got it closer than that.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 21, 2016 12:35 PM  

Boko Harambe wrote:The loss of this communal rhythm has done much damage to our cohesion as a people.

Yeah, regardless of the specifics of the traditions the bigger point is the loss of them and the change to a shallow, materialist secular shopping event.

BTW, this seems to be a very good site for Christmas tradition information. Not commercialized at all and run by an Englishman. I can't vouch for everything there but it seems pretty good.

http://www.whychristmas.com/customs/whenchristmasiscelebrated.shtml

Blogger Sheila4g December 21, 2016 12:56 PM  

My tree doesn't go up immediately after Thanksgiving, but I do decorate the house (including the tree) some time in the first half of December. It always stays that way until Epiphany.

As far as secular Christmas songs written by Jews, I read a post about that years ago that I cannot locate at present - might have been at Age of Treason or Occidental Observer - but it included quotes by Jewish writers acknowledging they deliberately wrote Christmas songs excluding any religious words or themes - nothing but snow and shopping. For what it's worth, Jewish hostility to American Christmas observances goes back over a century. I have newspaper "snips" from 1906 noting how, following Jewish street demonstrations (some of them rather agitated) and "deputations" to the school board in New York, the singing of any Christmas songs or carols of a religious nature was banned in public schools, and even the school songbooks were revised to expunge the words "Christ" and "Christmas." In some schools Christmas was renamed "Good-time day," and these protests and changes were not confined to New York but were took place anywhere there was a certain concentration of Jews.

Blogger GracieLou December 21, 2016 12:58 PM  

Last night I took the rural scenic route home after visiting my dying brother. Even tiny crumbling towns put up really lovely Christmas displays. It does a person good to see them, the beauty enkindles hope--even in the worst of times there’s still things worth living for-God, love, family, and childhood innocence. And it’s still America, home of the free and brave.

Which is why when Communists take over the first thing they do is kill all beauty. In China for example, they ripped out all the flowers, and it was butch haircuts and pantsuits for women. In that spirit the ACLU has been trolling the Midwest the last few years, looking to Grinch. This year they found a broke man (which isn’t hard when about the only thing now made in America is meth) willing to be “offended” by a cross hanging on a town Christmas tree. The town, being small and crumbling, took the cross down.

Normally people wouldn’t go to war over it. But these aren’t normal times, people went BALLISTIC! First they doxed the man just short of tar and feathers, then they showed up in numbers to vent, then they saturated the land with crosses. My route home was 15 to 20 miles away and folks had clearly spent time workshopping. This is Amish, Mennonite, and Quaker country, people can workshop. The crosses were elaborate and blazing with wattage.

But you see, there is no war on Christmas now that the other side has picked up arms. It’s all just fake news ginned up by paranoid back-woods rednecks. The left never stops gaslighting. From the previous post: “They ridiculously deny the reality that is both declared and evident. It is unforgivable and strips them of all moral and practical authority to lead. Their public proclamations of tolerance are bitterly degrading and empty. It is unmistakably clear to the people of the West.”

Truly, the jig is up.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 21, 2016 12:59 PM  

Sad to see such open Christophobic hatred in the current year. Check your privilege.

Anonymous Beau December 21, 2016 12:59 PM  

Also, if you say "Merry Christmas" to anyone, you are insensitive, a racist, a bigot, and an anti-Semite.

Merry Christmas!

Anonymous Beau December 21, 2016 1:08 PM  

Nota Bene: If you have a singing voice, even an average one, find a Salvation Army kettle, introduce yourself then sing for all your worth! Joy to the World, Hark the Herald Angels, Silent Night, you get it. Watch the striking and immediate change on the faces of those walking past. Worship with all your heart publicly, glorify God with all that is within you. Whisper, "Merry Christmas" between breaths with a twinkle in your eyes. You won't regret it. Go for it.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 21, 2016 1:10 PM  

Exactly. An anyone who brings up jewish vandalism of Christian churches in Israel, is just an evil antisemite. There are just as many churches in Saudi Arabia as mosques in Europe, too. I don't know where these people get such crazy ideas.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 21, 2016 1:13 PM  

Exactly. How dare these people object to those subverting theor traditions! The chutzpah!

Blogger Pinakeli December 21, 2016 1:17 PM  

@37 If you live near Austin you missed it by about three weeks. It was the sing-a-long chorus version. The down side is that they only perform about 2/3 of it.

The Hallelujah Chorus was played at my wedding. By my wife's dad. I will always miss him.

OpenID ar10308 December 21, 2016 1:49 PM  

Yes, there is an overt War on Christmas. However, almost every store I've been in recently has wished me a "Merry Christmas", but I am in East-Central Wisconsin.

Anyway, I think it's even more important to realize that Christmas has overcome genuine wars. This scene from Joyuex Noel about the 1914 Christmas Truce is beyond moving:
https://youtu.be/_mpejMa-mJc

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 21, 2016 1:52 PM  

"secular Christmas songs written by Jews"

Any resemblance to homosexual "marriage" as far as distorting/ diluting the original meaning is purely coincidental.

Blogger William Hudson December 21, 2016 2:30 PM  

@51 Matey, you got the "bugger" part right about Mr/Mrs/Miss LiveAM. Fuck that loathsome creature and the whore it rode in upon.

Anonymous Foren Leldman December 21, 2016 2:43 PM  

"secular Christmas songs written by Jews"

Since Jesus was a Jew, it seems like you low IQ and low T goys owe us for the whole holiday.

Your welcome.

Anonymous fop December 21, 2016 2:57 PM  

Thank you Seth Rogen, for making a movie about a guy who pisses on a nativity scene. I'm sure it was all in good fun.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 21, 2016 3:09 PM  

In the immortal words of Remo Williams, heir of Sinanju;

Merry Feast of the Pig!

Deck the halls with fallen bodies, tra la la la la ....

Atheists are liars. They're lying to themselves about their evidentiary standards, and thereafter to everyone else. That's why they manically project their joyless nihilism on to believers.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 21, 2016 3:11 PM  

And we've been paying you back for 2000 years.

How you liking it so far?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 21, 2016 3:14 PM  

@66. Good idea.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 21, 2016 3:17 PM  

@72. Other way around, the rider IS the whore, on the back of the dragon.

@73. Ahh, so you're also the ones we need to avenge Jesus' murder on, amirite?


I like how easy the (((people))) spotting is on this topic, never before did they irk me so fiercely.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 21, 2016 3:24 PM  

@75. There's a reason that "evilutionary scientist" is a meme, and it's because that's the ultimate logical conclusion of atheism. There is no possible logical morality for an atheist beyond "look out for #1", anything else they have adopted as standards/morals/rules/character comes straight from Christianity (or some other religion in a vanishingly few cases, like as not Moloch-related...)via social pressure/pure emotional responses which fly directly in the face of their supposed reason.

Anonymous Foren Leldman December 21, 2016 3:32 PM  

"I like how easy the (((people))) spotting is on this topic, never before did they irk me so fiercely."

You alt-right "tuff guys" make me laugh. Even by low goy standards, this is pathetic. We both know you dumb goys won't do shit IRL.

No wonder Jews take your best women while you're busy being an anonymous low t faggot online.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 21, 2016 3:38 PM  

@80. You smell just like a troll.

Also you smell like fear.

Blogger VD December 21, 2016 3:41 PM  

Ah, yes. The old "Christians are persecuted" trope. I call BS. There's no war on Christians nor their churches, nor their holidays and anyone who tries to say otherwise is just a gasbag looking for some sort of sympathy for their martyr complex.

No, you're simply a liar. There is no shortage of historical documentation proving that the War on Christmas was a) started by Jews in the early 20th century, b) picked up by atheists in the late 20th century, and c) an intentional attempt to push Christianity out of public spaces.

Anyone who claims otherwise is either a) ignorant or b) lying.

This doesn't mean all Jews or all atheists are out to destroy Christmas, Christianity, or the West. But the historical facts are not in dispute.

Blogger Natalie December 21, 2016 3:47 PM  

I start decorating after Thanksgiving too, but that means putting lights up on the house mostly because I don't ever get tired of seeing those. Then we get out the Jesse tree for the kids and the Nativity on the piano. Another small Nativity on the mantel. About two weeks before Christmas we put up the family. Instead of desperately trying to do everything on Thanksgiving weekend we've been trying to let it unfold naturally.

For the kids I try to look up Christmas-ish activities and displays (like local light displays) that are open through the new year and plan our visits to those during the actual Christmas season. If you look, you can often find a few things open. Plus, our mom's play group at church is planning to do at least one Christmas season party for the kids. There are ways to help keep the Christmas season going if you'll look for them and plan ahead. Just getting some like-minded families together to play games and eat festive food or sing carols could be a great way to push back against the "ack it's Dec 26 SHUT IT DOWN!" situation that happens all too often :/

Anonymous Darkeden December 21, 2016 4:00 PM  

Filthy pagan scum here and I make a point of saying Merry Christmas. Sometimes I feel like Milo in that I'm more pro Christian than a lot of people who call themselves Christian. And yes there absolutely a war on Christmas and Christians. It's amazing what people will say to you when they assume you hate Christians too.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 21, 2016 4:01 PM  

Foren Leldman wrote:"secular Christmas songs written by Jews"

Since Jesus was a Jew, it seems like you low IQ and low T goys owe us for the whole holiday.

Your welcome.


Ah no. Jesus was raised a Jew granted but In Christianity was the Son of Jehovah made by miracle and Jehovah was not a Jew though Jews were his chosen people till they turned on Him.

Understood? Now crawl back under your bridge troll.

Anonymous Beau December 21, 2016 4:01 PM  

A Christmas hymn offered as a haunting invitation to our Jewish friends:

O come, O come, Immanuel,
and ransom captive Israel
that mourns in lonely exile here
until the Son of God appear.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Immanuel
shall come to you, O Israel.


2 O come, O Wisdom from on high,
who ordered all things mightily;
to us the path of knowledge show
and teach us in its ways to go.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Immanuel
shall come to you, O Israel.


3 O come, O come, great Lord of might,
who to your tribes on Sinai's height
in ancient times did give the law
in cloud and majesty and awe.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Immanuel
shall come to you, O Israel.


4 O come, O Branch of Jesse's stem,
unto your own and rescue them!
From depths of hell your people save,
and give them victory o'er the grave.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Immanuel
shall come to you, O Israel.


5 O come, O Key of David, come
and open wide our heavenly home.
Make safe for us the heavenward road
and bar the way to death's abode.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Immanuel
shall come to you, O Israel.


6 O come, O Bright and Morning Star,
and bring us comfort from afar!
Dispel the shadows of the night
and turn our darkness into light.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Immanuel
shall come to you, O Israel.


7 O come, O King of nations, bind
in one the hearts of all mankind.
Bid all our sad divisions cease
and be yourself our King of Peace.

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 4:09 PM  

"There is no shortage of historical documentation proving that the War on Christmas was a) started by Jews in the early 20th century, b) picked up by atheists in the late 20th century, and c) an intentional attempt to push Christianity out of public spaces."

Ah! The percentage of Christians in America shrinks every year, and has been, because offers less and less to explain the world. That's the religion's fault, not Jews or atheists.

Among The remaining Christians there are simply too many provocateurs who want to shove Christianity down throats. Fewer and fewer people want it thrown down their throats. They don't need religion mixed with their govt or public policy.

There is no "war" on Christmas. There are just fewer people for whom the origins of Christmas matter.

If you want to make Christianity matter again, make it relevant. Not mandatory.

Anonymous Beau December 21, 2016 4:16 PM  

Not mandatory.

Liar. Produce the video, or document, or whatever, that told you it's mandatory to say, "Merry Christmas!" You have a rotten soul.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 21, 2016 4:17 PM  

Merkel has the blood of the people on her hands reads one sign in an AfD protest outside of the Chancellery in Berlin. Counterprotestors sang Lennon's tune "Imagine". Reality vs. hugbox. The NPD was nearby with their own protest.

Meanwhile, the German security state doesn't let a crisis go to waste. Germany can recreate the Stasi in order to keep track of every individual "for safety", or it can start expelling colonists. Hmm. Which one would work better for the German people? Which one to do?

The German cabinet today approved a draft law to broaden video surveillance in public and commercial areas, a measure agreed by political parties last month after violent attacks and sexual assaults on women.

Anonymous Urban II December 21, 2016 4:24 PM  

Happy holidays is simply a refusal to recognize which national holiday is being celebrated. No other cultural or federal holiday is referred to as a generic holiday. When someone says they are attending a "holiday party" my first question is which holiday are you celebrating? It is politically incorrect to acknowledge which holiday is being celebrated and hence the War on Christmas. On top of that, point out that the United States is a historically Christian country and liberals will call you a hate-monger.

One example is the fact that the ACLU filed a lawsuit against the town of Knightstown to remove a cross from the top of a Christmas tree. The ACLU alleges that the cross "is the preeminent symbol of Christianity, representing the instrument of the crucifixion of Jesus." Obviously. Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. The ACLU is one of the most dangerous organizations in the country.

Blogger Muzu December 21, 2016 4:28 PM  

@87 It doesn't help that we're letting non-Christians into the country either. Maybe Israel has the right idea!

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky December 21, 2016 5:06 PM  

I miss the carolers. They came every year when I was a kid. Have not seen a caroler in twenty years.

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 6:31 PM  

"Produce the video, or document, or whatever, that told you it's mandatory to say, "Merry Christmas!" "

I wasn't referring to greetings, but to Christianity in general. And I was already told by one good Christian here that he would happily go to jail on assault charges were I to wish him a Happy Holidays.

Anonymous DarkEden December 21, 2016 6:37 PM  

Now that I'm not typing on my phone with my thumbs I'd like to expand on my thoughts. First, not to feed the troll but clearly there's a war on Christmas and Christians. The most hateful and disgusting things I've heard in my life have been spoken by SJWs or their predecessors toward Christians, especially when they think I'll be receptive to the message. It used to shock me but now we've all gotten used to how dark and twisted a lot of SJWs are right below the surface. Seeing that darkness up close and personal very young is a big part of the reason why I ended up on the right and now I guess alt-right.

Christmas. I roll my eyes at a lot of the anti Christmas comments since the whole thing is so secularized already. There's very little Christ in any Christian holiday nowadays but especially Christmas, which is a shame. All the holidays were secularized decades ago with the Easter Bunny and Santa, but that wasn't good enough. Now even the sanitized, secularized icons are too offensive to be tolerated by obedient SJWs. This makes me chuckle a little because many of the things they're now complaining about have pagan origins!

When I point this out and feign outrage that they're insulting my religion, they have no idea what to say. It's pathetic and disgusting the depths they'll sink to in order to stay in good with the hive mind, and how mindlessly they'll attack anyone the hive declares a heretic. Even people they've known for years, even people that were their best friends the day before. How can you respect people like that or side with them? How can anyone see that and remain on the left?

Anyway to Vox and all the Ilk and Minions and even the trolls, early Merry Christmas! Best of wishes to the happy warriors, may you win a thousand battles.

Blogger Chris McCullough December 21, 2016 6:45 PM  

It seems a rather staggering case of cognitive dissonance that the people who spend all year antagonizing Christianity swear up and down they aren't trying to destroy Christmas.

Blogger SteelPalm December 21, 2016 6:55 PM  

@54 Takin' a Look

You're welcome and Merry Christmas, we'll put you in the ovens last.

Merry Christmas, but I'm afraid we'll put you in the gas chambers first. Idiocy is dangerous, after all. :(

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants December 21, 2016 7:08 PM  

It's not a war on Christmas, it's a war on Christians. Especially white Christians, with white Christian families.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants December 21, 2016 7:09 PM  

Btw, I say, "Merry Christmas and a happy holiday to you."

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 7:19 PM  

"Anyway to Vox and all the Ilk and Minions and even the trolls, early Merry Christmas! Best of wishes to the happy warriors, may you win a thousand battles."

Thank you....And Happy Hanukkuh to you.

Blogger Prez Davis December 21, 2016 7:47 PM  

If anybody has a problem with "Merry Christmas" you can always wish them a shitty Christmas instead.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2016 8:26 PM  

> Ah, yes. The old "Christians are persecuted" trope. I call BS.

Well, you are the current local expert on that subject.

> We'll "Happy Holiday" anyone we damn want to, including you.

And you'll get away with it too: On the Internet. In person? Well, that's probably another matter.

> Funny how that never gets brought to court.

Oh, that may change.

> Anyone who claims otherwise is either a) ignorant or b) lying.

And in his case, we know it's b).

> Ah! The percentage of Christians in America shrinks every year, and has been, because offers less and less to explain the world.

See what I mean?

> There's very little Christ in any Christian holiday nowadays but especially Christmas,

If Christ is missing from your Christmas, who exactly is at fault?

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 8:37 PM  

@James Dixon:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx

Blogger Benjamin Kraft December 21, 2016 9:01 PM  

@102. I blame immigration, as well as converged school systems. Are you ready for us to implement the solution to that? Too bad!

You'll note that still 75%+ identify as Christian (although many of us would say that many are not actually Christian...) To extrapolate according to your poll (because the major polls are oh-so accurate and never at all manipulated for political agendas), your side of this argument is going to lose quite handily any time this side of 50 years or so, at the very least, but probably more like 150.

Really though, to beg the obvious question, if you're willing to say Merry Christmas, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2016 9:02 PM  

> 102....

Like I said, we know.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2016 9:06 PM  

> I blame immigration...

Almost all the immigrants from Mexico are nominally Roman Catholic. Of course, being mostly illegal, they're probably not counted.

Blogger CM December 21, 2016 9:19 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:I miss the carolers. They came every year when I was a kid. Have not seen a caroler in twenty years.

I would love to have a "symbol" of sorts in the decorations that show you would receive carolers. I want to go caroling. We used to do caroling with handbells in nursing homes.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents December 21, 2016 9:35 PM  

@105 James Dixon

Almost all the immigrants from Mexico are nominally Roman Catholic.

Very nominally, unless you include Santa Muerte as part of Catholicism. Mexicans are quite syncretic in their religions. For sure they do like Christmas, though.

Blogger CM December 21, 2016 9:43 PM  

I appreciate the fantastic comments on Traditional Christmas customs that differentiate between Christmas and Advent.

I've written some of the ideas down to revisit this summer so I can best prepare for it.

However, since Lent and Easter are next up, does anyone have any good resources for celebrating and observing in a traditional way with children?

Anonymous BBGKB December 21, 2016 10:02 PM  

You're welcome and Merry Christmas, we'll put you in the ovens last.

First they came for the jews, since I wasn't jewish I didn't do anything
Then they came for the blacks, since I wasn't black I didn't do anything
Then they came for the moslems, since I wasn't moslem I didn't do anything
All the Mexicans fled across the border, & most of the problems got solved so they stopped coming for people.
Luckily I fled Die Verse City

Anonymous Beau December 21, 2016 10:26 PM  

I wasn't referring to greetings, but to Christianity in general.

So in real life you're not at all offended by people greeting you with, "Merry Christmas!?"

Anonymous LiveAM December 21, 2016 11:27 PM  

"So in real life you're not at all offended by people greeting you with, "Merry Christmas!?"

No. why would I? They are being personable. I greet people with "Merry Christmas".

Anonymous Eric the Red December 22, 2016 12:32 AM  

The whole leftist drive to kill Christmas was worked out long ago. It's part of a program consisting of 3 elements:

1) Drive Christians and Christianity from the public square;

2) Redefine everything in sight as "the public square" (threaten fines and jail time);

3) Gaslight Christians and pretend they're not being harassed and persecuted.

With this fun game the leftists can't lose.

Blogger Natalie December 22, 2016 12:50 AM  

CM wrote:I appreciate the fantastic comments on Traditional Christmas customs that differentiate between Christmas and Advent.

I've written some of the ideas down to revisit this summer so I can best prepare for it.

However, since Lent and Easter are next up, does anyone have any good resources for celebrating and observing in a traditional way with children?


Check out orthodox blogs. You can also find some Reformed blog/books out there. Let Us Keep the Feast is a protestant perspective on celebrating the traditional seasons. I've been slow to implement much of it, but recovering lost territory isn't the work of a moment or even a single year.

Anonymous PJD December 22, 2016 1:27 AM  

You know, since 'holiday' is derived from 'holy day', I think I'll change up tactics this year to experiment. "Merry Christmas" as usual if I'm the first to greet, and a "Yes, happy Holy day to you" in response to anyone who says happy holidays, with emphasis on it being two separate words, just to make sure they don't think I'm just pronouncing holiday wrong on accident.

Hopefully they'll give me as nasty a look as they do for Merry Christmas, if not better.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 22, 2016 1:33 AM  

Beau wrote:I wasn't referring to greetings, but to Christianity in general.

So in real life you're not at all offended by people greeting you with, "Merry Christmas!?"

LoserAM is the sort of person that people greet with "Fuck you, asshole."

Blogger SteelPalm December 22, 2016 3:42 AM  

@109 BGKB

The trouble is the whole "coming for the Jews" always results in a much higher bodycount of non-Jews. Whites included. World War 2 (55 million dead whites) is a particularly good example.

One would think more folks would have figured this out by now and reached the logical conclusion that they should support Israel and encourage Jews to make aliyah.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 22, 2016 4:28 AM  

Sheila4g wrote:As far as secular Christmas songs written by Jews, I read a post about that years ago that I cannot locate at present - might have been at Age of Treason or Occidental Observer - but it included quotes by Jewish writers acknowledging they deliberately wrote Christmas songs excluding any religious words or themes - nothing but snow and shopping.
And (((their))) favorite topic, sex. (‘Let It Snow’, ‘Baby It's Cold Outside’, ‘Santa Baby’, probably others. At least ‘Winter Wonderland’ is about a couple planning to get married.)

SteelPalm wrote:The trouble is the whole "coming for the Jews" always results in a much higher bodycount of non-Jews. Whites included. World War 2 (55 million dead whites) is a particularly good example.
Noted. Next time we won't let (((Hitler))) invade the neighbors first.

SteelPalm wrote:One would think more folks would have figured this out by now and reached the logical conclusion that they should support Israel and encourage Jews to make aliyah.
Wait, does Israel really want our (((banksters and lawyers)))?

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable December 22, 2016 5:03 AM  

I hereby resolve to reply to anyone objecting against me wishing them Merry Christmas: "Merry Christmas, *infidel*."

Interesting... I'm thinking something more along the lines of, "What's your name, heretic? I'm taking notes for the next Inquisition."

It would put them in the position of having to decide where they're punching down from a safe position of power where they can harangue you, or maybe they should shut up.

(Of course humans can hold contradictory beliefs, which is when you mock their manifest and manifold personal failings.)

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident December 22, 2016 5:26 AM  

@80 Foren Leldman

Ah, Cernovich's Silenced partner, Loren Feldman, aka @1938Loren, I presume? Recognize the style - not to mention some direct quotes from his bait-the-goy tweets ...

Raise hands, everyone who's eager to put money in this (((guy's))) hands by supporting Silenced!

Blogger James Dixon December 22, 2016 5:59 AM  

< Very nominally, unless you include Santa Muerte as part of Catholicism...

That's why I said nominally. :)

> I greet people with "Merry Christmas".

So you lie in real life too, not just on Internet fora.

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