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Wednesday, January 04, 2017

All you need to know

One of the better mainstream media articles you'll see on the Alt-Right was published by the Irish Times. Interesting to see that they got the Alt-Right/Alt-Lite distinction right, which virtually never happens in the US media, which keeps trying to anoint everyone from MILO to the corpse of Adolf Hitler himself the leader of the Alt-Right.
The alt-right is one part political movement, two parts subculture. This can make it difficult for outsiders to understand. To assist you in comprehending the chatter on Twitter hashtags such as #AltRight and #Frogtwitter, here’s a simple glossary.

Alt-lite: The more mainstream form of the alternative right, embodied by figures such as Vice founder Gavin McInnes or Breitbart Tech editor Milo Yiannopoulos.

Alt-right: A young, energetic upstart faction of the Trump coalition heavily active on Twitter and underground forums. Characterised by nationalism, scepticism toward globalism and an irreverent sense of humour.

Blue hair: An aggressive, unpleasant feminist with brightly coloured hair, usually depicted as being overweight.

Cat lady: An older, less aggressive version of a blue hair. Cat ladies prefer MSNBC and Cosmopolitan, whereas a blue hair spends her life on social blogging platform Tumblr.

Cathedral: The ad-hoc post-second World War liberal-socialist alliance dominating western culture. Coined by pseudonymous neoreactionary blogger Mencius Moldbug, this includes everything from academia to media to government.

Chad: An alpha normie (see below). The alt-right seeks to appeal to Chads, a project known as Chad Nationalism.

Cuckservative: A portmanteau of “cuckold” and “conservative”, which was originally meant to imply that mainstream conservatives protected the welfare of foreign groups over Americans. Often shortened to “cuck” to describe any weak or feminine man. Conservative commentators Erick Erickson and Rick Wilson are exemplars.
About all that is missing is the 16 Points and the Alt-White.

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77 Comments:

Blogger Joe Katzman January 04, 2017 4:09 PM  

An honest journalist?

Diogenes is agog.

Blogger Lovekraft January 04, 2017 4:21 PM  

I remember when Heartiste was asking for suggestions on what to call the future 'cathedral'. I suggested Institute.

As for Blue Hairs, it should have been pointed out that these are 3rd and 4th wave feminists. Rabid, remorseful. Cat ladies are more 2nd wavers.

I think alternative tech/media such as Infogalactic should have been included.

Blogger Montrose January 04, 2017 4:29 PM  

The nrx "cathedral" is a bit outdated. Synagogue is what is used nowadays, I think.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 04, 2017 4:30 PM  

Grumble. "Cathedral" is too respectful. "Swamp" is better.

Anonymous Bukulu January 04, 2017 4:30 PM  

Sperg alert: no way is "Cathedral" a new invention by Moldbug! It's a borrowing from Eric S. Raymond.

Blogger Lovekraft January 04, 2017 4:38 PM  

Meant to say blue hairs are 'remorseless.'

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 04, 2017 4:38 PM  

UKIP is getting closer to alt-Right

Speaking on Sky News' All Out Politics, Mr Bickley insisted people “should be free to say what they say”, but claimed the definition of “racism” had been warped by Brexit critics, as a way of attacking Britain's EU divorce.

That's another way of saying "We Don't Care" to the Remoaners who scream Rayciss! over Brexit. Excellent.

Blogger Melampus the Seer January 04, 2017 4:42 PM  

I am very pleasantly surprised. I thought I'd never read an objective piece of mainstream journalism about us.

Anonymous Steve January 04, 2017 5:02 PM  

Often shortened to “cuck” to describe any weak or feminine man. Conservative commentators Erick Erickson and Rick Wilson are exemplars.

Excellent.

The Irish are natural shitlords. Up with this sort of thing.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 04, 2017 5:21 PM  

@3 Agreed, "deep state" is used these days much more than "cathedral."

Blogger tuberman January 04, 2017 5:28 PM  

The Blue Hairs/Cat Lady distinction is amusing, yet not always accurate, as I've seen an extreme variety in older women, including a weird Bitch that would give the Blue hairs more than a run on SJW absurdity, to very mild Cat Ladies who still have some openness to alternative ideas. Just saying, as even the very mild ones were pro-Hillary, which speaks volumes. I also ran into a Green Haired librarian, who certainly is a SJW, but she is not fat, and even a somewhat decent looking 20 something.

The weird older womyn was so internally converged that one day when I refused to change channels to CNN in the senior workout room, and said something mildly pro-Right she freaked. She literally covered both her ears with her hands and screeched, " Shut up, shut up, SHUT UP!" I waited for her to calm a bit and said with a smile, "You are going to have a stroke, please don't have a stroke." My smile turned into a big grin right after.

Anonymous VFM #7916 January 04, 2017 5:30 PM  

A comment section exists, tho it requires a sign in. A perfect place to post the 16 points.

Blogger Dave January 04, 2017 5:31 PM  

I'm sorry this is single source and questionable because the primary source shows that a respected publication like the Irish Times in this case is clearly unreliable.

I might note, I just today wrapped some fish in this edition of the Irish Times, so I hold the source did smell of fish, but that I find doubles my caution and I'm second guessing myself - David Murphy (talk) 00:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

OpenID neocolonial January 04, 2017 5:32 PM  

Noah B The MacroAggressor wrote:"deep state" is used these days much more than "cathedral."

Deep State is quite a distinct notion from Cathedral. The Cathedral is the set of privileged professions / institutions — Academia, Media and Judiciary. The Deep State is far more 'those who hold power in the shadows' — typically the intelligence services and old money players.

The term Cathedral is used because it both communicates the essentially religious nature of the beast, as well as owning it as a feature of liberal democracy. It has arisen directly out of our own heritage, even if others currently populate and manipulate through it.

Blogger Student in Blue January 04, 2017 5:48 PM  

@Steve
The Irish are natural shitlords. Up with this sort of thing.

I'll drink to that!

...er, just not with the Irish. I want to keep my liver functional after all.

Anonymous observer January 04, 2017 5:52 PM  

Look at the byline - Nick Pell. That's Nicholas Pell, who's well-known in anti-immigration circles.

https://twitter.com/NicholasPell/status/816640956325855232

He's not Irish:
https://twitter.com/NicholasPell/status/816695028768735232

Also:
https://twitter.com/NicholasPell/status/816672357834067968

Blogger tuberman January 04, 2017 5:55 PM  

#14 This article is worthwhile to me as I learned something new, also in your comment.

The term "cathedral" as used here is completely new to me, and your differentiation from "deep state" adds to it greatly. Thanks.

Blogger tuberman January 04, 2017 6:07 PM  

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Blogger Stephen Murray January 04, 2017 6:18 PM  


"The Irish are natural shitlords. Up with this sort of thing."

Its our mix of lower than average euro IQ and island living. And our imperviousness to white guilt.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 04, 2017 6:20 PM  

@14 I've interpreted "deep state" to also include visible, overt elements of government power. Thus being an all-encompassing term to describe the state and those powerful stakeholders who significantly control it. I've never seen it defined, but from its context it's clear that it definitely includes those centers of power that are not formally a part of government.

Blogger Bard January 04, 2017 6:25 PM  

Blue Hair
Both simple and elegant. Perfect!

Blogger Eric Slate January 04, 2017 6:25 PM  

I never found use of the cathedral to be particularly effective imagery due to the fact the analogy tries comparing a building with a system of control.

Blogger tuberman January 04, 2017 6:31 PM  

#20
James Joyce was a great ShitLord, especially with "Finnegan's Wake." It is "about to roll wholly over."

Anonymous Trevor Goodchild January 04, 2017 6:34 PM  

Heartiste actually prefers the term "Hivemind". It's a great reference to shitlibs' uncreative drone-like nature as well as their predisposition to groupthink.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 04, 2017 6:42 PM  

We Celts have super livers

Anonymous Eduardo January 04, 2017 6:44 PM  

Something tells me, that guy may already be Alt-Right, I can sense the enthusiasm as he wrote, it oozes through the screen.

Although it is funny to see such things being told in Ireland; or a Irish newspaper; newsdigital... newsite.

Anonymous Eduardo January 04, 2017 6:46 PM  

huh so does that mean Prometheus was a Celt? ;-D

Anonymous CC January 04, 2017 7:07 PM  

It's kind of amazing to see that article there. The Irish Times is just about as left-wing an organ as you can imagine to find. Half of the articles are reprinted from the Guardian and half of the paper is composed of insufferable commentary full of moralising and virtue signalling. I'd say it's a big part of why Ireland doesn't have that many shitlords any more. At least none who will speak out in public anyway.

The writer is definitely not a regular, I wonder if he'll submit any more copy in the future. Right wing writers were totally purged years ago. In fact Mark Steyn's column was printed years ago.

Blogger DrChaos January 04, 2017 7:10 PM  

The Irish Times is a left wing rag, a bit like an Irish version of the NYT. The author is from the US - fair play to him for getting it published. The Irish lefty twatterati are having a meltdown over the article.

Blogger Desiderius January 04, 2017 7:16 PM  

Is this worth taking on?

https://www.change.org/p/500-nazi-scalps?recruiter=658331006&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-no_src

Blogger VD January 04, 2017 7:19 PM  

Is this worth taking on?

FFS, stop bringing up the same thing that's been brought up multiple times on previous threads. And no, it's not.

Blogger Michael Maier January 04, 2017 7:30 PM  

OK, maybe I'm wrong... I thought "SNOWFLAKE" was someone that thought they were "unique and special". I mean, we already HAVE "libtard".

Anonymous Phil O'Sophy January 04, 2017 7:31 PM  

I was unaware that "snowflake" was limited to ambiguous gender identities.

My understanding of the term "special snowflake" was that they are young (either still in school or just out) and have been raised their whole lives being told that they were totally unique (like a snowflake, thus the origin of the term) and special (receiving and eventually expecting many participation awards) even though they are in fact totally *average*. Thus the sarcastic use of "special snowflake" to describe a very average person who believes they are not, and who often takes visible but superficial steps to stand out - neon hair, genderfluid, otherkin, ad nauseam.

Blogger Desiderius January 04, 2017 7:32 PM  

"FFS, stop bringing up the same thing that's been brought up multiple times on previous threads. And no, it's not."

Who's FFS?

Thanks for the answer.

Blogger John Williams January 04, 2017 7:32 PM  

An honest journalist?
The more I learn about the Irish in Ireland, the more I respect them.

Blogger Michael Maier January 04, 2017 7:37 PM  

.... uh.... yeah, wut Phil said.

Blogger Michael Maier January 04, 2017 7:37 PM  

FFS = "FOR FUCK'S SAKE"

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 04, 2017 7:49 PM  

And not just examples. Exemplars.

Blogger Earl January 04, 2017 8:12 PM  

I thought a snowflake was a precious unique individual that just so happens to have the same wardrobe, opinions, tastes, and mannerisms as millions of other precious snowflakes.

Blogger Earl January 04, 2017 8:13 PM  

The writer is an American living in Ireland. Says so at the bottom.

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 04, 2017 8:49 PM  

OT

Mentally retarded white man who is a Trump supporter kidnapped by niggers, shot up with heroin and tortured. It's live streamed.

https://8ch.net/pol/res/8679545.html

Blogger Duinne Eile January 04, 2017 9:03 PM  

I really hate the Irish Times, the biggest collection of cucks in the world ever, I would love to take a hammer to Fintan O'Tooles face, and as for úna Mullay, if I if told the truth about her even VD would delete my post, for years Kevin Myers was their best writer by a country mile, and then they ditched him for telling the truth, SJW= total fucking idiots

Blogger Akulkis January 04, 2017 9:07 PM  

@Bakalu. You're right about cathedrak being borrowed from Eric S. Raymond. Although the reporter is honest, as id typucak, he is illiterate about tech history -- ecen a term that has been in commmon use now fir 20 years since The Cathedral and the Bazasr was first released.

Blogger Duinne Eile January 04, 2017 9:13 PM  

I do like that he tells IT readers what a dindu is, LOL

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey January 04, 2017 9:15 PM  

Great piece from Nicholas Pell, who is solidly Alt-Right. Met and married a beautiful Irish girl, if I'm not mistaken, and moved to Ireland. Until recently lived in CA and wrote on music for the LA press. Good man.

Well done!

Blogger Basil Makedon January 04, 2017 9:29 PM  

Impressive. I like to read the UK papers as they often have more objective and honest reporting than our own converged rags. I'll now add the Irish Times to the mix.

Anonymous buybuydandavis January 04, 2017 9:37 PM  

Alt-right: Characterised by nationalism, scepticism toward globalism

I think that is the essence of it, but overly broad for how people are using it. Certainly that would apply to Milo, the mass of Trumpsters, and a good chunk of the Bernie Left too. What is MAGA but nationalism?

As political classification, I'd say the Alt Right is the Nationalist Populist Right, as opposed to the Establishment Internationalist Elitist Right.

VD's division between AltWest and AltWhite is the real cleavage within the AltRight. I'd put Milo in with the AltWest.

Anonymous BBGKB January 04, 2017 10:32 PM  

OT but OMG: Crooked Eye Clinton and Bill to attend Inauguration, wouldn't it be great after the swearing in if TRUMP said "Have those 2 arrested". You would think they would be smart enough to vacation somewhere that didn't have an extradition treaty.

FFS = "FOR FUCK'S SAKE" glad no one thought it was me.

Blogger Happy LP9 January 04, 2017 10:36 PM  

Awesome! AltRighty ThenLP!

So happy, what an amazing new year, 1/8/2017 is our next celebration par-tay to honor 11/8/2016 freedom from HRC and her kind.

One of the things that makes me smile is the pepe, kek, frog, thing, I just love it, cracks me up single time! Love it! So cute!

Blogger Happy LP9 January 04, 2017 10:40 PM  

48 Oh my, trust me, Trump is going to drive the humiliation into the Klintons some more, the Shiv (in the power of the pen or the kiss the ring manner of terming shiv) treatment for Romney and Paul Ryan to the entire media. So glorious, so awesome, Milo nailed their asses and spoke for the 4gotten people like me. Milo whips the Media 11/8;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-RtCtD-p7E

I know to go chill out, its the last time I'll post this video but I ADORE IT. It's so awesome!

Anonymous Utah4Trump January 04, 2017 10:42 PM  

I don't think we Irish have below average IQ

Blogger Duinne Eile January 04, 2017 11:05 PM  

self praise is no praise at all

Blogger Benjamin Kraft January 04, 2017 11:10 PM  

I dunno Vox, does anyone really miss the alt-white? :P

Anonymous Jack Amok January 04, 2017 11:23 PM  

I don't think we Irish have below average IQ

World-wide? Nah, definitely above average. Compared to other White folks? Well, how much Viking blood ya got? I mean, the whole "inviting Strongbow" in wasn't exactly fookin' genius now, was it?

Blogger Cecil Henry January 04, 2017 11:37 PM  

'About all that is missing is the 16 Points and the Alt-White.'


Meaning all that is missing is the most important points, the real issues the Cathedral wants to AVOID.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 05, 2017 12:53 AM  

Any comments on this insane, evil shit, Vox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdA1oNo3NB4 ?

Anonymous Takin' a Look January 05, 2017 1:10 AM  

Already did Zaklog the Great

OT

Mentally retarded white man who is a Trump supporter kidnapped by niggers, shot up with heroin and tortured. It's live streamed.

https://8ch.net/pol/res/8679545.html

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor January 05, 2017 1:56 AM  

Why did they attack a mentally retarded guy? Did they see him as their competition?

Blogger Doom January 05, 2017 2:18 AM  

I try to keep up, but I learned things from the article I didn't know... or more deeply. Bluehair and cat lady, yeah, mostly, but Cathedral? Oh, I get them, just... have no idea where these are being formed or how to keep up on them. Not sure it's really my thing, either. Too social, and too directed, and too... formulaic? Yeah. Still, a bit of info and a few laughs.

Do you honestly think the US media is even trying to put it right, understand... grok... it, or do you, as I, believe they have a very good idea of exactly what it is about but do everything in their bought and paid for little minds to misdirect, misinform, lie, and in all other ways attempt to keep the truth from approaching their consumers?

I am replacing most ruined things, or going without.

Blogger Retrenched January 05, 2017 3:13 AM  

A good TL, DR definition of alt-right:

1. Race realism

2. Gender realism

3. Opposition to the Cathedral and total rejection of their religion of Cultural Marxism

More to it than that, of course, but those are the basics I think.

Blogger Servant of the Chief January 05, 2017 4:26 AM  

"World-wide? Nah, definitely above average. Compared to other White folks? Well, how much Viking blood ya got? I mean, the whole "inviting Strongbow" in wasn't exactly fookin' genius now, was it?"

Just casually looking it up, it does seem Irishmen have lower than average IQ for Europeans, with estimates somewhere in the 92-95 range. Although I am sceptical of these reports when say, the Scandanavians are also stuck in the 90s range, from Denmark to Finland, yet Multicultistan states such as Britain and France are in the solid 100s.

Blogger Stephen Murray January 05, 2017 7:05 AM  

@61

Ireland always had a "brain drain" too, our smartest would always leave and set up elsewhere, and usually be successful. That would leave the lower iq specimens behind for testing.

"Although I am sceptical of these reports when say, the Scandanavians are also stuck in the 90s range, from Denmark to Finland, yet Multicultistan states such as Britain and France are in the solid 100s."

This is a good observation.

In nay case, Ireland is quite a conservative country due to the strong hold Catholicism had on the nation for many years. Abortion is still illegal, and divorce was only legal since 1996. Of all the anglosphere countries, it possibly has the least feminist/SJW convergence,

Blogger Ben Sanderson January 05, 2017 8:02 AM  

"About all that is missing is the 16 Points and the Alt-White."

I agree with the 16 points, but not the Alt-white. Because there is no alt-white. There's no alt-west, either. There is only the alt-right (which is white nationalism) and the alt-light (which is edgy critiques of leftism and modernity).

Those are the only two Alts in town. There's no other game.

Anonymous orly January 05, 2017 8:04 AM  

I've never seen "Alt-White" be used outside of VD.

This meme doesn't have legs. Probably because it isn't true.

Anonymous orly January 05, 2017 8:12 AM  

I think everybody realizes that the meaningful distinction is between the Alt-Right/Alt-White, and the Alt-West/Alt-Light, because the former is openly race-realist and JQish, while the latter disavows and censors these subjects.

"Diversity" is the litmus test. Alt-Right is genuinely dangerous to the Cathedral. Alt-Light are compatible with it. Gavin and Mitchell threaten nobody, who cares.

Anonymous BBGKB January 05, 2017 8:46 AM  

An honest journalist? Diogenes is agog

He isn't the only one when I first saw the picture on the article I thought the crumpled sign in Mexican said NiggerAids.

Blogger Bodo Staron January 05, 2017 11:06 AM  

Ann Coulter just tweeted 14!
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/817022914004447232

Anonymous Jack Amok January 05, 2017 11:53 AM  

No orly, you're wrong about a couple of points. The Alt-Right is not synonymous with Alt-White, and Alt-West is definitely not compatible with multi-culturalism.

The whole point of Alt-West is that Western Civilization is being undermined by immivaders mostly incapable of adopting the basics required for it.

Here's a simplified field-guide to the Alt-Right:

Alt-Right: the leftist, progressive, multi-culti experiment is a disaster and needs to be rolled back. Alt-Right contains all of the following sub-groups:

Alt-White: the Jews are the problem, they're trying to undermine and genocide the White race.

Alt-West: multiculturalism is the problem, foreigners need to either assimilate - if they can - or get out if they can't or won't.

Alt-Lite: Don't quite know why things are screwed up, but this PC crap is annoying and keeps us from figure out how to fix our problems.

Blogger Duinne Eile January 05, 2017 12:17 PM  

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-mullally-why-the-irish-times-should-not-have-published-nicholas-pell-1.2926726

Fat dyke idiot úna Mullally is not happy

Anonymous Vin January 05, 2017 4:02 PM  

Editor defending publishing the article

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-we-published-nicholas-pell-s-article-on-the-alt-right-1.2926420

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 4:26 AM  

I agree with the 16 points, but not the Alt-white. Because there is no alt-white. There's no alt-west, either. There is only the alt-right (which is white nationalism) and the alt-light (which is edgy critiques of leftism and modernity).

Those are the only two Alts in town. There's no other game.


You're confusing political movements with political taxonomy. The Alt-Right is not just white nationalism any more than it is just neo-Nazism. Don't be such a moron.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 4:31 AM  

I think everybody realizes that the meaningful distinction is between the Alt-Right/Alt-White, and the Alt-West/Alt-Light, because the former is openly race-realist and JQish, while the latter disavows and censors these subjects.

You're wrong. The Alt-West is also openly race-realist. It simply isn't limited to the white race nor is it obsessed with Jews. Do you really not understand that the same issues presently facing the Western nations are also being faced by nations from Japan to Myanmar?

Anonymous orly January 06, 2017 5:17 AM  

You're wrong. The Alt-West is also openly race-realist. It simply isn't limited to the white race nor is it obsessed with Jews. Do you really not understand that the same issues presently facing the Western nations are also being faced by nations from Japan to Myanmar?

Are they?

Japan is curiously both Judenrein, and refugee-free. Close to zero muslims/blacks/Mexicans. Jews are important, and need to be a hot topic, Vox.

If "Alt-West" is to communicate "not just whites, Japanese too", I'd choose a different term than Alt-West. But truth be told, I think that literally nobody (Vox Day included) in the Alt-Right is very tied up with Japan or Myanmar. The issue is white countries getting floodcucked by brown foreigners. To claim otherwise feels less than forthright, and I think that's why the Alt-White/Alt-West dichotomy isn't gaining purchase: it feels artificial and evasive. To me, whatever the stated objectives, it looks a lot like fruitless counter-signaling of the (admittedly, challenging and terrifying...) JQ.

Blogger VD January 06, 2017 7:35 AM  

Are they?

Yes.

Japan is curiously both Judenrein, and refugee-free.

Myanmar is Judenrein and is not refugee-free. Your cluelessness is total. As I have pointed out repeatedly, the Jews are not the core problem. That is a Eurocentric perspective on the intrinsic problem of low-trust minorities. The Jews merely happen to be one of the few such minorities present in high-trust Europe; Europeans had similar issues with the Gypsies.

The issue is white countries getting floodcucked by brown foreigners. To claim otherwise feels less than forthright, and I think that's why the Alt-White/Alt-West dichotomy isn't gaining purchase: it feels artificial and evasive.

"feels... feels" Shut up, Gamma Nazi. There is nothing artificial or evasive about the Alt White / Alt West distinction, as it is real and observable. The reason morons like you try to deny it is because you know the Alt West is vastly larger and far more compelling than the limited vision of the Alt White.

You retards are making the same idiotic decision as your idol Adolf. If you are going to fight the world, you are going to lose. The art of winning is convincing as many people as possible not to fight you.

To me, whatever the stated objectives, it looks a lot like fruitless counter-signaling of the (admittedly, challenging and terrifying...) JQ.

And that's why you are losers. You can't even convince MOST of the people who are openly sympathetic with many of your stated objectives to have anything to do with you. Now go away and don't come back. I don't have time for morons.

Anonymous orly January 06, 2017 10:04 AM  

"The reason morons like you try to deny it is because you know the Alt West is vastly larger and far more compelling than the limited vision of the Alt White. ... And that's why you are losers.

I don't think we're losing. TheRightStuff is not shrinking the pool of recruits. It's the other way around: venues like AmRen, convinced that "the art of winning is convincing as many people as possible", are comparatively static in reach. Meanwhile, hentai pinochet cats tweeting merchant memes are exponentiating, having learned the correct lessons from the 50's and 60's.

I can understand why you are attracted to an Alt-West/Alt-White distinction, but I don't think your foes will ever give you credit for occupying the "not jew obsessed" peak of the Alt-Right mountain. Regardless, they'll never have any idea of what you're talking about: the meme has so little traction that Google Trends shows it to be almost forgotten already.
https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22alt-white%22

Even if the JQ is not "the core problem", free discussion of it is crucial, and a natural Schelling point.

Blogger Servant of the Chief January 06, 2017 2:43 PM  

@62 The brain drain is a likely possibility, in fact, after the potato famine (wherein it was any desperate Irishman who could get on a boat, IQ or skill level be damned) for at least a century afterward, long after Ireland started recovering, our best and brightest still left Ireland for greener pastures. This stopped partially with the Celtic Tiger encouraging the best and brightest to stay in which I would argue if people did a test of Irishmen born bewtween 1980s and 2010s there would be a noticeable uptick in not only IQ but other elements. It is also to Ireland's credit for all of its perennial poverty and bad luck through the years that even with a Brain Drain it still wasnt that bad of a country.

That said, Ireland is immune to White Guilt attempts, the method used here in Ireland to engender despair and self loathing was never so much as guilt (they tried to pull 'We're a nation of emigrants we should welcome all comers since we know their plight' card with... negative PR results shall we say) but usually playing upon the undercurrent of cynicism and pride in the Irish psyche "We're useless on our own." "The world will leave us behind." "No one will ever respect us." "We're an ugly backwater lost in medieval darkness." Add all that shit up over time, complete with English language dominance and American media dominance and you WILL reduce a mountain to sand over time. The Gay Marriage referendum was a culmination of foreign money and media savvy and experience in previous attempts at engendering fear response in the Irish to get the result they want from the previous failed Lisbon referendum. The viciousness on display was unimaginable in the history of Irish politics, the people did not know how to respond.

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