Sunday, January 29, 2017

Alt-Right vs New Right

Ivan Throne, the Dark Triad Man, is hosting a debate between Jack Murphy and me concerning the future of the Alt-Right next Saturday night.

Vox Day is an American publisher, science fiction writer, philosopher, musician and video game designer. He is a former nationally syndicated columnist with Chronicle Features and Universal Press Syndicate. He is known as the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil by his supporters, who describe themselves as Vile Faceless Minions and the Dread Ilk. He is also the lead editor at Castalia House, publisher of my bestseller The Nine Laws. 

Notably for this debate, Vox Day is also the author of the 16 Points of the #AltRight.

Jack Murphy is a senior executive, accomplished athlete and writer. He covers men’s issues, current events, and personal development at Jack Murphy Live. He is also a father of three. Jack’s recent advocacy of the NewRight and its differences from the #AltRright lead to a recent confrontation with Richard Spencer as covered by The Atlantic and Business Insider.

 The topic is the future of the #AltRight.

Vox Day and Jack Murphy will cover a range of topics including white nationalism, identity politics, the tension between the #AltRight and other groups, including what Mike Cernovich calls the New Right.

Both men are intelligent, accomplished, passionate and educated. And with moderation from Dark Triad Man we are sure to have a very powerful Brutal Clips podcast.

 Subscribe today and take part in shaping the debate. Once you are subscribed you can submit your questions and I will ensure that the best of them are covered within our alloted hour:

Stay tuned for the debate that will shape the narrative.

The discussion between Vox Day and Jack Murphy will change the way you look at the #AltRight and the future of identity politics in not just the United States, but in the West.

I'll be genuinely interested in what Jack has to say, because I cannot see what sort of civic nationalist case he's going to be able to present that I have not only considered, but subscribed to in the past. To me, this is rather like a debate between a tadpole and a frog; it doesn't really matter what the tadpole thinks, or what sort of future he imagines, because he's eventually going to become a frog regardless.

These things take time, observation, and experience. Consider what Mike Cernovich, whose inclinations are strongly civic nationalist, and whose in-laws are affected by the travel ban, has to say on the subject. His words might surprise some; they don't surprise me in the slightest because I know how realistic he is.
If people keep telling whites that they hate them, then they shouldn’t feign outrage when the native population listens, and closes to the doors to the U.S.

The outlook for America’s future is grim. Hatred from the left will only continue, and violence will increase. While the left wears the symbols of the Soviets, they lack their secret police. While the left has the media, the right has the guns. The U.S. is not the U.S.S.R. We will not go silently into the gulags.

People wonder why I’m so militant, and now you see why. We are in a war, and it’s one declared by the left. I am a target for violence in my own country.

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Anonymous Eduardo January 29, 2017 8:17 AM  

I like the whole: "We were supposed to have the Nazi-Youth-Hairdo-Using-and-Metrossexual-White Nationalist Richard Spencer! but he got punched so that was pathetic, so he declined 'cause swollen face. BUT! We will be having something even better then the Six-Flags Theme Song and definately WAYYY BETTER then Mr Spencer: VOX DAY! *Confetti*"

U___U You Pheronomes are so powerful they turn the hosts into 14 year-old Boy-Band fans. It is... manly.

The son of a gun doesn't have a date? WHY! What a baiter this Triad Guy is, such a great self promotion skill XD!

I am pumped VOX! Go and win that debate, I wanna Hear it! And take that flaming Sword to compensate your adversary's beard.

Blogger Samuel Nock January 29, 2017 8:23 AM  

Vox's term "Alt-lite" is better than Cernovich's "New Right", primarily because "New Right" already has a pedigree and philosophical foundation expounded by Greg Johnson and the European New Right (Faye, de Benoist) for years. "New Right" is essentially Alt-right or even Alt-White, and Cernovich's introduction of the term to describe himself and other Alt-lite figures muddies the waters.

Greg Johnson has used the term New Right for his ideology since the start of Counter-Currents six years ago. See his book "New Right vs. Old Right" among other expositions of the difference. Faye's Why We Fight is also a foundational text for the true New Right, and it was written almost twenty years ago.

Blogger Johnny January 29, 2017 8:52 AM  

The greatest similarity between the hard left and the old USSR is the level of dishonesty. They never actually preach what the seek to accomplish.

Soros is a striking example of it. All the social movements he funds have fake goals. The real goal is the damaging of existing institutions for the sake of empowering the radical alternatives. The goal, always, is power through social manipulation.

Anonymous Eduardo January 29, 2017 8:55 AM  


Because to them it is a War. A real War.

You never let your enemy knows what you are up to. Dishonesty is part of the art of the war.

That is why the Alt-Right looks so awesome. Their insanity and fighting spirit trumps the enemy's.

Anonymous John January 29, 2017 9:25 AM  

How can the 'New Right' be Right when it accepts trannys? More like a new 'Left' to me.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 29, 2017 9:32 AM  

Face it the whatever they call themselves are the same old bull shit, only scold rightward. None of those supposed saviors ever scold the Left over identity politics, and they never challenge the psychological horror show of the judgements against us that always uses words with the suffixes "ist", "ism" and "phobia."

Quite frankly I could kick the shit out of those twinks in a debate, not because I have Vox's 10+SD IQ but simply because I will discredit and disqualify their moral level of conflict super weapons the silly assed words and theological belief system they use and hold.

Anonymous John January 29, 2017 9:35 AM  

The New Right is infested with LGBT garbage.

I had an account very early on with gab and had to delete it because all I kept seeing messages by gays with LGBT hashtags on the 'Popular' page. I'd always see crap that went like this: 'Guys I'm posting this to let you know I'm gay this is my first time coming out online. I know you are all nice and will accept me. The left doesn't own me! #LGBT' - 300 likes

And then I get downvoted for asking why he insists on telling everybody he's gay?

Blogger LoneWolf January 29, 2017 9:40 AM  

In the enemy's overweening disdain for the Christian west they have, once again (as they have done so many times during the last two-thousand years), miscalculated. An inexorable resurrection of European man is happening right now.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 29, 2017 9:42 AM  

Then the "script" will call for multiple uses of the phrase "White supremacy" which of course is kryptonite to conservative intellectuals.

Why should I submit to being ruled by such nasty people who if not denying me an identity then seek what identity they give me to be genocided.

The new or alt whatever is not a new phenom or line of reasoning, the hacks at Chronicles the deeply devout always used the line they never met a white man but knew plenty of Frenchmen or Germans ad nauseum. This is nothing but magic dirt wordism, fucking pathetic.

Blogger Earl January 29, 2017 9:42 AM  

Maybe the new right needs a DADT policy

Anonymous Type 5 January 29, 2017 9:46 AM  

Completely off topic, but this is the best, most succinct description of the origin of GamerGate that I've ever read:

I still get a chuckle out of how it all started – one guy who, discovering that his game-designer girlfriend was spreading her charms widely, wrote a long blog post about it, letting out the secret that her paramours were writers in the game-critique industry who were giving games high ratings for factors unrelated to the actual games (wink wink).

And then he got piled on by people defending her right to lie to him and sleep around because she was a poor repressed woman, and then they got piled on by guys saying, no, she’s a whore and so are these game critics, and then the SJW types decided all gamer-guys were nerdy neanderthals who hated women, and the fun began.

Good times . . .

Blogger Cash January 29, 2017 9:56 AM  

The New Right doesn't exist.

It's just a bunch of right wingers worried about their "brand."

I'm glad to see VD sticking with the Alt-Right label.

Blogger Cash January 29, 2017 9:58 AM  

I remember Nate saying Mike was our version of Scalzi. I disagreed. I thought he was more of the Tim Ferris of the right.

His stuff is pretty good but it's better as entertainment than stuff to live your life by.

Blogger tz January 29, 2017 10:02 AM  

Having fun.
Two tech blogs decided to virtue signal.
The first said "we all came from somewhere else", so I countered with Native Americans.
A second was an open letter to law enforcement which I threw Ferguson and Baltimore back at him.

Anonymous BBGKB January 29, 2017 10:25 AM  

travel ban bad judge stopped moslem ban
It argued that the order violates a 1965 law that banned discrimination in immigration based on national origin. According to a copy of the court decision from Judge Ann Donnelly, it will stop officials from removing individuals with approved refugee applications, holders of valid visas and people from the affected countries who have been authorized to enter

Anonymous Philipp January 29, 2017 10:47 AM  

As Brendan O'Neill wrote on Twitter:

"People are angrier with Trump for imposing a visa ban on Yemen than they ever were with Obama for bombing and killing Yemenis and backing a barbaric Saudi war that pushed parts of Yemen to the brink of famine."

Says it all. That's leftwinger, cuckservatives and neocons for you.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 29, 2017 10:47 AM  

Who's the baby-faced kid next to the guy with the beard? That beard dude looks serious.

Blogger Lazarus January 29, 2017 10:47 AM  

and whose in-laws are affected by the travel ban

Does this mean Mike's mother-in-law can't visit?

Poor Bastard.

Anonymous grobotnik January 29, 2017 11:22 AM  

I'd say it's more the 'media' narrative that shapes these wildly divergent responses. I can only imagine the growing fury that Trump has toward these MSM outlets... especially the ones describing it as #muslimban

Blogger Cash January 29, 2017 12:11 PM  

Why the hell are all these "poor little refugees' galavanting around the world anyways?

If they can pay to go back and they want to go back for vacations or whatever the hell else then they don't need to be here at all.

Anonymous Will Martindale January 29, 2017 12:58 PM  

Samuel Nock wrote:Vox's term "Alt-lite" is better than Cernovich's "New Right", primarily because "New Right" already has a pedigree and philosophical foundation expounded by Greg Johnson and the European New Right (Faye, de Benoist) for years.

For those of us old enough to remember the late 70s and early 80s, "New Right" was the term used to describe the Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson Evangelical awakening that led to the election of Ronald Reagan.

Blogger M Cephas January 29, 2017 1:31 PM  

I really have no idea if I am Alt-Right or New Right. I do not consider myself a white nationalist, but do believe in the individual nationalisms, American nationalism, British nationalism, Russian nationalism, Italian nationalism, etc...

I do believe North America should not be flooded with immigrants, and has taken in far too many for assimilation to occur. So I'd have no problem with a moratorium on immigration. And if immigration must occur it should occur from European nations that are most easily assimilated into American culture being a product of Western culture themselves. Immigrants should be brought in with skills or IQ above average.

I also believe North America should remain primarily white(I'd say American, but it is too mixed up now to expect a primarily English ancestry). If the percentage drops to less than 85% white in any state, it should result in a halt to immigration there from non white nations, until the numbers are corrected.

Whether that's Alt-Right or New Right, I don't know.

Blogger Kat January 29, 2017 2:22 PM  

It means his mother-in-law can't leave. He lives next door to his in-laws.

Blogger Kat January 29, 2017 2:24 PM  

I follow over 1,000 people on Gab and have yet to see anyone come out or even talk about LGBT stuff extensively. Mostly people seem to talk about Pizzagate and Trump and music/art.

Blogger newanubis January 29, 2017 2:34 PM  

After contending with the illegals, i would like to see some heat brought upon those who went through legal channels.
Is gimmigrant X a net positive for the nation in any way? Has there been any semblance of desire for assimilation?
Can they even speak the language?

Anonymous Anonymous January 29, 2017 3:27 PM  


Heh. The #AltRight has a policy:

We. Don't. Care.

Blogger VD January 29, 2017 3:36 PM  

Whether that's Alt-Right or New Right, I don't know.

That's Alt-Right. New Right is civic nationalist and opposes most nationalisms.

Blogger Ez January 29, 2017 4:44 PM  

Wouldn't a new civil war risk going the same way as the last one where the southerners were better soldiers but lacked the economy and sheer numbers of the north? It seems the right as the guns and land, but the left has the big cities/ports and industry.

Anonymous ReluctantMessiah January 29, 2017 5:09 PM  

The Alt-Right will win because its view applies to the whole world and not just America. New Right had a chance if we had more time and peace, but we don't have either. The Left will enflame identity wars, forcing the New Right to go Alt-Right for survival.

Anonymous User January 29, 2017 5:19 PM  

Good stuff. Thanks for the bonus bit from Cernovich, very nice to see.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable January 29, 2017 11:45 PM  

Ez wrote:Wouldn't a new civil war risk going the same way as the last one where the southerners were better soldiers but lacked the economy and sheer numbers of the north? It seems the right as the guns and land, but the left has the big cities/ports and industry.

Don't be silly. The economics that matters is the physical exchange, not the symbols and accounting, but the latter both affects and effects the former. And you would only have to shut down the EBT to destroy the leftist metropoli, not even close to a full siege.

I don't understand why this is so hard for them to understand.

Anonymous Mathias January 30, 2017 1:01 AM  


People who are incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality don't understand that their actions have real-world repercussions beyond what they imagine? Say it ain't so!

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