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Wednesday, January 25, 2017

Darkstream: 3GP

Tonight at 7:30 PM Eastern I'll be talking about the God-Emperor's amazingly effective political strategy that has both Democrats and the media reeling.

UPDATE: The replay is here.

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Blogger Al From Bay Shore January 25, 2017 7:02 PM  

YES!!!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 25, 2017 7:07 PM  

So much winning, I'm scared

Blogger SirHamster January 25, 2017 7:08 PM  

This Darkstream you've started up is neat. I appreciate that these an be viewed after the fact unlike the Open Brainstorms.

What was the inspiration behind the Darkstream?

Blogger VD January 25, 2017 7:18 PM  

What was the inspiration behind the Darkstream?

1. Cerno
2. CLASSIFIED
3. Infogalactic News

Nr. 2 will become evident in time.

Blogger LogicTsunami January 25, 2017 7:21 PM  

Excuse my ignorance, as I'm new here, but where can I link to the show/podcast?

Blogger John Williams January 25, 2017 7:26 PM  

Periscope app on iPhone or android phone. Login & follow VoxDay. Periscope.tv on a browser, should work too.

Blogger Salt January 25, 2017 7:36 PM  

how does one know when Vox has started up?

Blogger David The Good January 25, 2017 7:51 PM  

Very good - thank you.

Blogger SteelPalm January 25, 2017 7:52 PM  

Excellent video, Vox. Very well-explained.

On a marginally related note, do you have moderation for the comments? A new personal record for idiots today.

Anonymous XanthanGun January 25, 2017 7:53 PM  

@7 One senses a disturbance in the force

Blogger SirHamster January 25, 2017 7:55 PM  

Salt wrote:how does one know when Vox has started up?

AFAIK, have to load the page after it's started. Brave browser didn't auto-start the new broadcast for yesterday's Darkstream, so I missed the first few minutes for the livestream.

Blogger Chris Miles January 25, 2017 7:57 PM  

Singular most insightful commentary I've seen on the situation, the parallels to 2/3gw are tremendously apt. What's happening right now will be studied for a long time.

Blogger VD January 25, 2017 7:58 PM  

how does one know when Vox has started up?

Periscope will ping you if you're on iOS or Android.

On a marginally related note, do you have moderation for the comments? A new personal record for idiots today.

Actually, I thought they were worse last night. But the one guy, @whitebetamale, was obnoxious. I'll block him if he does it again.

Anonymous Jacks Carlton January 25, 2017 7:59 PM  

Can't find the interview on Unz

Blogger Happy LP9 January 25, 2017 8:01 PM  

Gentlemen, to Vox, awesome take on media cycle coverage!! THANK YOU!

Blogger Samuel Nock January 25, 2017 8:01 PM  

@7

Follow Supreme Dark Lord on Periscope. Then when the Periscope starts, your phone or device will make a sound notification. If it doesn't, check your notification preferences and change it to make a sound.

Blogger Dave January 25, 2017 8:04 PM  

Did you shoot down the Amazon drone that was attempting to deliver a microphone? Did it crash on the side of a mountain where it can't be recovered? The sound quality is adequate but wouldn't hurt to have some leeway.

Blogger David The Good January 25, 2017 8:15 PM  

Sounded decent to me.

Anonymous XanthanGun January 25, 2017 8:25 PM  

@7 On PC, I've found you do have to refresh your browser window for the live stream to show up.

Blogger Gromm January 25, 2017 8:30 PM  

Youtube is on a lot of folk's day trip, have you thought about re-purposing them there?

Anonymous Mark Auld January 25, 2017 8:31 PM  

Sound was fine tonight,lights were muted for a short time.I've watched them all,and glad to hear you're making it a daily thing.

OpenID elijahrhodes January 25, 2017 8:41 PM  

These are great, Vox.

You mentioned that Trump is not only leading the way, but teaching Republicans how to win. The Alt-Right, of which you play no small part, is doing that too. On that note, I noticed an interesting post over at Ace, which reveals the attitude change taking place. Quote:

"Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people"


http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368084.php

Anonymous krymneth January 25, 2017 8:45 PM  

The next interesting question is, what will the progressives do if they figure this out? With Trump in control of the White House, Republicans in control of the Senate and House, conservatives probably in control of the Supreme Court by the end of the quarter at the latest, Trump tamping down the bureaucracy, and Trump having neutralized the mass media (what I consider to be the 5 branches of the modern government), how are they going to respond? They have no assets at this time that I can see that can counter-blitzkrieg. They have a marginal ability to slow the pace of things down in Senate, but that only buys them time to bring the media to bear during the consolidation phase. What are they going to do about the assault? Unlike a military conflict where equipment and men are destroyed, this blitzkrieg to a first approximation won't destroy anything, it's all still there for whatever the response is. (In the longer term it may indeed destroy it, but it'll get some kind of shot off before then.)

I'm trying to imagine what a Democratic Donald Trump-style blitzkrieg would look like, and I'm having a hard time with it. I emphasized the "if" above because what if it isn't even possible for them? Consider the current global social structure of progressivism. It is a totalizing religion without a religious leader, in which the lockstep opinion takes time to diffuse out. In complicated matters such as concrete policy, it takes time to diffuse in, too. It is structurally limited by how quickly this can occur at a national scale. Even if they somehow found a charismatic leader who could put together a team and a plan to create a liberal counter-blitzkrieg, I suspect that it would overwhelm this progressive-opinion-diffusion process, essentially tearing apart their nervous-system-analog, and it would destroy them. How that would manifest with the leadership would involve a whole lot of Fake Becauses about how we need to make sure this concern or that is met or how important it is to contrast themselves with that reckless madman Trump, but the real reason would be the coalition itself being literally unable to think.

But the wise leader wouldn't want to bank on that problem staying unsolved, so if Step 1 is this blitzkrieg and Step 2 is to consolidate via legislation, then a very likely Step 3 is indeed, as some people were speculating yesterday, to use legislation and the Supreme Court to cut the powers of the President down again. (Neutralizing the Media and the Bureaucracy are concurrently ongoing tasks during all steps.) This would mean that even if by some miracle the Democrats find their Donald Trump, or more likely, the Democrats elect someone who doesn't understand the structural impossibility of running a blitzkrieg and try anyhow, they'll have far less maneuvering space than Obama left Trump. And as others have speculated, he'll rope-a-dope the Democrats into making this very, very bipartisan. Constitutional amendment(s)? Regardless, one way or another, I expect Trump not to make the mistake of leaving the obvious counter-blitzkrieg strategy open to his successor.

Blogger Basil Makedon January 25, 2017 8:50 PM  

Not that you care or are doing these things for my approval or feedback, but your presentation is getting better and the learning curve is steep.

Anonymous krymneth January 25, 2017 8:58 PM  

krymneth wrote:I suspect that it would overwhelm this progressive-opinion-diffusion process, essentially tearing apart their nervous-system-analog, and it would destroy them.

After a bit more thought, I predict that such destruction would look like radical factionalization within the Left, as the metaphorical organism was forced to split into smaller pieces that can communicate more quickly. But inevitably they are less effective this way, because they would begin working at cross-purposes, too.

This is especially likely because the left has a well-known tendency towards this sort of self-destructing factionalization anyhow. Being convinced you've got All the Answers does not make it easy to be a team player. It's not too hard to squint over the last year or two and see that progressivism may already have been outgrowing its ability to hold together; when they thought they were winning and Hillary was inevitable there was increasing factionalism.

Blogger tuberman January 25, 2017 8:58 PM  

23# kry,
How about enabling much easier lawsuits against MSM for slander and other lies, WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. Sue them all out of existence. make the trials quick and remuneration with teeth enough to break the Globalist billionaires supporting these Fake BS.

Blogger Dave January 25, 2017 9:19 PM  

Does the app let you turn off the comments and hearts? The comments/hearts do not show when watching live on Brave Android browser. I find it less distracting.

Blogger JCclimber January 25, 2017 9:56 PM  

Here is my take on tonight's discussion topic.
When this first started happening, I used it at our homeschool evening discussion to talk about maintaining momentum and pressing forward while your enemies were still processing your first action(s).

Trump has been playing this beautifully. Masterful.

If Trump's strategic team were listening to me, I'd advise them of Bruce Lee's advice from Jeet Kune Do. Don't attack so quickly that your enemy begins blocking your 3rd or 4th attack by their reaction to your 1st or second attack.

So, slow the frequency to 1 minor news action on Friday, hit a big one on the weekend that is controversial but not really that important. Then restart the barrage on Monday. They will never catch up.

Keep them retreating, but at a varying pace so that they cannot adjust. Stutter step a tiny amount here and there. Establish a pattern, then break it as soon as they seem to be adapting to it.

All while relentlessly log rolling the Executive actions.

Blogger JCclimber January 25, 2017 10:00 PM  

While log rolling the executive actions, ensure your cabinet picks synchronize deep strikes into the stronghold of the enemy.
EPA, Energy Department, Education department all on one day. But internal policy, not Executive Orders.

Then more Executive Orders that are sure to distract the media, while the heart and strength of their institutions are struck down from within.

Next round, HUD and State Department.

Then the Perfumed Princes at the Pentagon and some other branch of government.

More Executive Orders.

A couple tweets about China or Venezuela as a distraction.

On, and on, and on. While the wall is built.

It's going to be sweet.

Blogger Lazarus January 25, 2017 10:02 PM  

elijahrhodes wrote:You mentioned that Trump is not only leading the way, but teaching Republicans how to win.

Yes. But can they be taught? Can they receive instruction?

Can they handle the truth?

Blogger Nate January 25, 2017 10:24 PM  

oh... oh...

"SOME PEOPLE" said that the press secretary was distracting the media?

"SOME PEOPLE"

Ok I see how we are now... OK OK... Not even mentioning the fact that it was specifically described as only one side of a two sided strategy... Ok... Ok..

I'm chalking this up to you growing up in Canada Vox.

Anonymous AG January 25, 2017 10:51 PM  

One further thought on second generation politics vs third generation politics.
Second generation politics - Heavy media artillery bombardment of a small area followed by occupation by sjw infantry. Movement of the front is measured in yards. Cuckservatives slowly retreat from where the fighting is most fierce. Is there a more apt description of the old way of doing politics?

Anonymous BBGKB January 25, 2017 11:04 PM  

Then the Perfumed Princes at the Pentagon and some other branch of government.

Didn't you hear after allowing trannies to dress the way they want in uniform there are no more perfumed princes.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 25, 2017 11:12 PM  

It's not even day five of The Hundred Days of Glorious Terror.
I'm just not sure how to handle all this winning.

Blogger Dave January 25, 2017 11:15 PM  

Happy Wallday, Nate.

Blogger SteelPalm January 25, 2017 11:17 PM  

We're all thrilled with the God Emperor's attack and energy so far, but I can do without reading Internet nobodies offering nonsensical, shitty advice to him. As if they possess an iota of his abilities.

Especially when it's apparently drawn from an overrated movie star and his crappy "martial art" that no serious fighter has ever utilized.

There is a reason why Trump is where he is and you're typing comments on Vox's site. Shut up, keep your lousy advice to yourself, and enjoy the ride.

Anonymous Revelation Means Hope January 25, 2017 11:51 PM  

RosyPalm, your advice is duly noted along with your butthurt that you didn't make thousands of $$$ betting on Trump's victory in 2016.

Blogger Nate January 25, 2017 11:59 PM  

"Happy Wallday, Nate."

i want a calendar... with wednesday replaced with Wallday... for the whole year..

and each month I want glorious pictures of huge walls. Big League.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 26, 2017 12:01 AM  

Is this what you mean?: 3GP undermines/jams the media's ability to control the narrative (i.e., frame the terms of opposition to Trump's policies in any sustainable way), thereby giving the American public a less obstructed opportunity to decide for itself whether it wants to buy what Trump is selling. As such, 3GP serves the NECESSARY strategic imperative of neutralizing a key source of Establishment resistance to Trump's policies AHEAD of the inevitable legislative battle (i.e. the decisive action). 3GP by itself is not sufficient to ensure victory, but it is a game changer.

Blogger Robert Divinity January 26, 2017 12:16 AM  

The blitz obviously is a brilliant strategy, but it's also a reflection of Trump's temperament. The man is a workhorse and a dynamo. We saw Trump do five or six campaign events a day in different regions of the country for weeks on end. He thrives on production and, of course, winning. It's hard to remember he's over 30 years of age.

Trump's tactics to keep the media covering yesterday's news, along with his use of stray voltage to send them off into ridiculous directions and tangents, are part and parcel of a hyperkinetic individual. Someone asked above what a Democrat blitzkrieg would look like. I can't think of any Democrat who could do this. I suppose there could be one theoretically but they aren't at the national level yet if so.

Trump's shown the way, but it's the rare person who could replicate his energy. I'm certain much of this is orchestrated by Steve Bannon, but only because he realizes the messenger can deliver at breakneck speed. Trump very well may be sui generis. That's probably a good thing when you think of an opposition equivalent, which apparently doesn't exist.

Blogger wreckage January 26, 2017 2:32 AM  

This has actually been studied - in New Zealand I think - and if you're going to shake things up, it's better to sake it up A LOT straight away, and then back off. If you keep just shaking a little bit people get sick of it. I think they called it "reform fatigue". SO if you're going to rustle people's jimmies, rustle the fuck out of ALL THE JIMMIES. Then later, let things coast, or bring out your "freebies and goodie-bags" one by one over a much longer time-frame.

Blogger wreckage January 26, 2017 2:37 AM  

It's refreshing to see/hear some analysis that actually analyzes, compares, and generally has some sort of actual thought process. Fuck me the media are dumbed down, to the point I find it utterly indigestible... and I'm like, the intellectual equivalent of 2 inches taller than average.

Who the fuck is actually watching the MSM anymore?

Anonymous malcolm January 26, 2017 2:58 AM  

unz interview: http://www.unz.com/article/interviewing-moshe-feiglin/

Blogger SteelPalm January 26, 2017 3:01 AM  

@37 RosyPalm, your advice is duly noted along with your butthurt that you didn't make thousands of $$$ betting on Trump's victory in 2016.

You're right, I didn't make thousands. I made $200, though. And are you confusing me with someone else? I was all-in on Trump back in early March.

The God Emperor has continued to exceed my expectations, though.

Blogger Shimshon January 26, 2017 3:13 AM  

@14 Can't find the interview on Unz

It will be there and here later today.

Blogger Shimshon January 26, 2017 3:34 AM  

Why would anyone be butthurt at not winning more pieces of paper? Hello? The Winning Never Stops. That's priceless.

@SteelPalm, I won $2 (and signed by my butthurt artist friend), and they will be among my most prized possessions.

Blogger Shimshon January 26, 2017 3:39 AM  

Re comments on Trump's stamina. There's no reason he can't sign one or more executive orders every single day for years on end. It's not like he writes them, after all. It literally becomes a new daily reality show. Instead of "you're fired!" it's "you're signed!" Everyone wonders what he does next. The media itself, by speculating, even moves the Overton Window for us.

My wife is loving it so far.

Blogger Shimshon January 26, 2017 3:42 AM  

Here it is:

http://www.unz.com/article/interviewing-moshe-feiglin/

Blogger Buybuydandavis January 26, 2017 6:27 AM  

Ha ha!

I commented on Gingrich's talk in response to your recent analysis mentioning the OODA loop, and it turns out you had seen Gingrich's talk too.

Blogger Buybuydandavis January 26, 2017 6:42 AM  

I wonder how well the 3rd gen warfare metaphor will extend to the real takeover and consolidation of territory by the Republican Congress (and the bureaucracy).

I suspect Trump will try to run interference for Congressional action, always giving the MSM something bright and shiny to chase.

Did the shock troops who broke the lines continue to perform harrying actions while the mass of ground troops tried to really take and hold ground?

If you can act faster than your enemy can effectively act, *and* you can always provoke a reaction, then your enemy is toast. They will never be acting effectively.

They have to *get faster*, or stop reacting to the feints.

Or some tactic that ties Trump up and forces him to react to an agenda they set.

I'd probably have second tier minions attack him personally, and get him chasing after the latest outrage. But keep the big guns trained on strategic issues. If you can't move as fast, pick your strategic targets, and pound on them.

I don't see the Left figuring this out in the first 100 days. But eventually, probably.

Blogger wreckage January 26, 2017 7:01 AM  

@47 Exactly. The Right has spent YEARS trying to be a "small target", but the successful operators on the right - like John Howard in Australia - have been those that consistently set the agenda... and that just MEANS being a big target.

Blogger Wrangler January 26, 2017 7:13 AM  

Loving the Periscopes, although I prefer podcasts. Great insight last night comparing politics to 2d/3d gen warfare.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 26, 2017 9:11 AM  

Food for Thought: If viewed from the perspective of dominant communications technology that politicians use in any given era, 3GP makes sense.

1GP - Pre-Electricity Age: One voice, on the stump, everyone gathers round to listen. People can shout out questions or criticize the speaker in the moment. Think Lincoln or TR.

2GP - Radio and Television Age: "One Box. One Voice. Everybody Listens." (I forget who originally coined that phrase.) Big Media emerges, acts as gatekeepers to the masses. Politicians enjoy unparalleled reach. Think FDR or Kennedy

3GP - Social Media Age: Big Media ability to control the narrative highly eroded. Big Media is no longer the gatekeeper. Push back from the people is immediate. Politicians have ability to bypass Big Media at will. Think Trump. (Obama is probably now kicking himself that he didn't use Twitter like Trump is.)

Blogger Student in Blue January 26, 2017 9:51 AM  

@28. JcClimber
If Trump's strategic team were listening to me, I'd advise them of Bruce Lee's advice from Jeet Kune Do. Don't attack so quickly that your enemy begins blocking your 3rd or 4th attack by their reaction to your 1st or second attack.

That's a very incorrect analogy. There are a mindbogglingly larger amount of attack vectors via words and politics than there is for martial arts.

There's no decent general defense that the media can put up that is anywhere near comparable to simply putting up your arms and turtling things out. Every defense that they'd have to take is very specific, and requires it to be tailored.

Any generic defense the media could take would either be ineffective, or make them lose credibility if that's their only response.

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