Vox Popoli: Darkstream: Alt-Right and Identity

Tonight at 7 PM Eastern I'll be talking about the Alt-Right and what the future likely holds for it in light of the debacles, successes, and revelations of the last six months.

UPDATE: the replay link is here.

Labels: #AltRight

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praetorian January 23, 2017 7:08 PM: Link:

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1BRJjVBNdEwJw
SteelPalm January 23, 2017 7:23 PM: I keep typing this, but your speaking improves with each Periscope video, Vox. More engaging, focused, and smooth.

You even cut down on the swaying and saying "you know" and "umm".

I also imagine your Periscope videos are drawing a wider audience, judging by some of the trolls and idiots today.
JACIII January 23, 2017 7:27 PM: Doing fine. You're no Megyn Kelly, though.....
VD January 23, 2017 7:27 PM: I also imagine your Periscope videos are drawing a wider audience, judging by some of the trolls and idiots today.

Yeah, definitely a few retards watching tonight. That's a good sign, though. Flak means you're over the target.
lowercaseb January 23, 2017 7:31 PM: These darkcasts are great as they really get you into a student mindset on wanting to sit back and really concentrate on the topic at hand.

Here's the thing that was running through my mind while you were talking about China moving into Africa. Do you think China will try to step into the power vacuum as we try to disentangle ourselves from the Imperialist role...more importantly, do you think it will run into the same political tar pits we run into by making too many treaties and deals?
XanthanGun January 23, 2017 7:37 PM: Thanks Vox - glad you're doing this.
praetorian January 23, 2017 7:44 PM: Thanks Vox.

Would love to hear an update on your economics outlook: Trump, The Fed, Total Debt, etc.
White Knight Leo #0368 January 23, 2017 7:53 PM: I knew what you looked like VD, but this was the first time I got to hear your voice.

It wasn't quite as ominous as I was expecting. More "Let's talk philosophy" and less "Unleash the armies of Darkness!"
bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 23, 2017 7:53 PM: still swaying back and forth.

absolute stillness would not appear natural either but right now you look antsy.

would be better to take a step to one side or the other every minute or so, and then remain still from the waist down. occasional gestures are fine.

speech tempo is still quick.

while i appreciate Evil Lord of Evil portraying the dead black Earth on his globe, it's a bit distracting on top of the bookshelf. *wink*

whether you add more stuff on top of the book shelves or take the globe off, i'm not sure how you'd light that up there anyways.

perhaps better to find some way to screen that off or reposition the camera so that it doesn't capture the ceiling.
Elizabeth January 23, 2017 7:56 PM: JACIII wrote:Doing fine. You're no Megyn Kelly, though.....

Megyn is prettier and has more hair.
VD January 23, 2017 7:57 PM: would be better to take a step to one side or the other every minute or so, and then remain still from the waist down. occasional gestures are fine.

I don't think it's possible to exaggerate how little I give a damn about these "performance reviews". I'm not a media whore. If you want to watch, watch. If you don't, then don't.

I. Don't. Care.
Mark Auld January 23, 2017 8:02 PM: Good job."flak means you're over the target",now that's quotable. You're not just preaching to the believers,I wasn't aware how extensively China was involved in Africa.
Snidely Whiplash January 23, 2017 8:07 PM: It's a skill set, one that some of us have put thousands of hours into developing. People are just trying to help you imorove your presentation, just as you might help out a neophyte at the gym.
VD January 23, 2017 8:18 PM: It's a skill set, one that some of us have put thousands of hours into developing. People are just trying to help you imorove your presentation, just as you might help out a neophyte at the gym.

I didn't ask. I never go up to neophytes and offer advice unasked unless they are a) in muscle-failure or b) at imminent risk of hurting themselves.

And I certainly don't do it after every set they lift.
VD January 23, 2017 8:23 PM: You're not just preaching to the believers,I wasn't aware how extensively China was involved in Africa.

So I gathered from some of the questions. But there are few things I despise as much as stating a fact and having some moron who thinks he is intelligent posturing and demanding "evidence".

Go fly to fucking Africa and count the Chinese if you don't believe me. It's like demanding "evidence" that there are Muslims in Europe... China has more money invested in Africa than in the USA.
Dave January 23, 2017 8:25 PM: You should do alternating sets of dumbbell curls throughout the periscope; really drive viewers over the edge. Or pec flex. And Leo, buddy, you're a few years behind the times.
Crossphased January 23, 2017 8:29 PM: These are great, glad you started to do them. It's like a college class.
bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 23, 2017 8:36 PM: *shrugs*

well and good then.
Bard January 23, 2017 8:40 PM: Great start. Video is the new venue of influence. Is it difficult to talk and stay on topic while reading questions?

Next time you cough, pause, and then drink red wine from a large silver goblet. That would be pretty awesome.
Tracy Coyle January 23, 2017 8:47 PM: Good video post.
Anonymous January 23, 2017 8:51 PM: Enjoyed it. Will definitely do the next one. I'm learning a lot about how to do this myself. Appreciate it.
Tracy Coyle January 23, 2017 8:53 PM: China is after resources. Africa is rich in them and has little to defend itself. It takes the China money because it doesn't trust the Western money - besides, so much of the Left has demonized any attempt to engage in Africa by the West as racist that it has left a vacuum China is more than happy to fill.
Elizabeth January 23, 2017 8:57 PM: Tracy Coyle wrote:China is after resources. Africa is rich in them and has little to defend itself. It takes the China money because it doesn't trust the Western money - besides, so much of the Left has demonized any attempt to engage in Africa by the West as racist that it has left a vacuum China is more than happy to fill.

Another reason that African despots prefer the Chicoms is that they don't get lectures on human rights.
Robert Divinity January 23, 2017 9:06 PM: Excellent point, to paraphrase badly, that the ideas and not the individuals matter. Avoidance of personality has been one of the Alt-Right's greatest strengths. The unsettled, to paraphrase you again, orthodoxy helps avoid someone acting as a voice, media-designated or otherwise. It will be interesting to see what happens after the orthodoxy settles, which assumes it likely will. The Alt-Right is innately intellectual so thought and philosophy at least for now trumps individuals (spellcheck tried to undermine that point and capitalized "trumps" before an edit was applied).
Aphelion January 23, 2017 9:13 PM: @23 Bingo! Under Obama the US browbeat African nation's who don't support our liberal agenda - while hypocritically saying nothing to Saudi Arabia and the GCC for far more terrible crimes committed in the name of Islam.

China has been investing in Africa for a long time. I was in business in Uganda over 15 years ago and most of the hotel was occupied by a week long conference of the Chinese chamber of commerce. They come for resources and in return build schools and hospitals. On many projects they bring in Chinese workers, that is how they colonize, building company towns near mines, factories, etc. populated by the Chinese.
beerme January 23, 2017 9:14 PM: My suggestion to improve your performance art is to bring back the flaming sword. In 75% of my studied cases a flaming sword increased information retention by 1000%*. With a flaming sword, only Helen Keller or Spergatron 5000 can fail to understand your video presentation.

*Michael Mann helped me to interpret my data set, so you know it is a completely scientific study. I'm told that he is the best scientist around at interpreting data and I only settled for the best.
DissidentRight January 23, 2017 9:21 PM: Thank you for doing this Vox. I know what it's like to be much better at written communication than oral, but there is just something about video that is more powerful than writing.
Anonymous January 23, 2017 9:24 PM: I find flaming swords somewhat distracting. Severed heads festooned about his library would be very focusing, however.
Lazarus January 23, 2017 9:44 PM: Bard wrote:Next time you cough, pause, and then drink red wine from a large silver goblet.

Red wine? Don't you mean Goblin Blood?
PinochetsChopperPilot January 23, 2017 9:52 PM: Gosh, Vox?

“It makes me sad that we’re even having that conversation and that tells me that white leaders in our party have failed,” Brown said. “I’m a white woman, I don’t get it. … My job is to listen and be a voice and shut other white people down when they want to interrupt.”
“This is life and death” she emphasized. “I am a human being trying to do good work and I can’t do it without y’all. So please, please, please, get ahold of me. Sally at we-the-dnc.org. I need schooling so I can go school the other white people.”

https://news.grabien.com/story-dnc-chair-candidates-bash-white-people-racially-charged-foru

These people are like virtue-signaling zombies.
Ransom January 23, 2017 9:53 PM: Enjoying the scopes so far, thanks. They hit right as I'm wrapping up my work, so timing is good.
Robert Divinity January 23, 2017 10:01 PM: @30:
Thanks for the link. It made me howl, especially (t)he event’s moderator, MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid

I also forgot to thank Vox for posting the vid.
Tuatha January 23, 2017 10:07 PM: The main issue that I see about the alt-right is that it overemphasizes the importance of civilisation and tradition. A true banner of resistance against the cathedral would be an ideology of absolute destruction towards the structure of society to ensure its eternal demise. Modernity is a product of ever-progressive societal overdevelopment. To truly stop this monstrosity advancing to a seemingly-invincible point, an anti-system of pure chaos would need to be born. Any attempt of cultural rejuvenation or religious conversion only stops a few listening individuals from degeneration. A whole society has never been recovered by copying its past as any historian can see.
As in fourth-generation warfare, politics will continue to become more and more decentralised outside the mainstream. This is already happening with the alt-right. The lack of a definable, or even named head is its greatest strength. If a real blow against society is needed, sheer anarchy based only upon evolutionary pressures to reshape the genetic fabric of western man can really kill the internal disease of pathological altruism. Possibly even breaking the whole cycle of eventual r-selected deterioration into ghetto apes and fruitboys.
5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 23, 2017 10:26 PM: but there is just something about video that is more powerful than writing.

I like it as a supplement to the written word. I'd hate to see it become the preferred mode of communicating Vox's ideas, just because I (and I'm sure others too) am often able to read the blog at computers where playing an audio track of any kind would not be tolerated. Videos are something I can only really enjoy at home.
bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 23, 2017 10:33 PM: 33. Tuatha January 23, 2017 10:07 PM
The main issue that I see about the alt-right is that it overemphasizes the importance of civilisation and tradition.

strike 1.

33. Tuatha January 23, 2017 10:07 PM
an anti-system of pure chaos would need to be born.

a Crowlian Satanist? seriously?

strike 2.

33. Tuatha January 23, 2017 10:07 PM
based only upon evolutionary pressures to reshape the genetic fabric of western man can really kill the internal disease of pathological altruism.

sheer anarchy quickly dissolves into "who's got the biggest gang" as soon a two guys figure out they can join forces and gang up on a third.

at which point, you've got a normal society again.

which is why anarchy is stupid.

strike 3.
AG January 23, 2017 11:00 PM: The content is excellent as usual. The comments and floating hearts can be a bit distracting, but as with this blog, there are many intelligent people watching that don't make comments. Taking questions/comments only at the end seems to work a bit better as a format.
Lazarus January 23, 2017 11:06 PM: DissidentRight wrote:Thank you for doing this Vox. I know what it's like to be much better at written communication than oral, but there is just something about video that is more powerful than writing.

Yes, but a more complex matrix of information is communicated in a written presentation. The information can be meditated upon.

Video is a passing caravan. THE DOGS BARK, BUT THE CARAVAN MOVES ON.
XanthanGun January 23, 2017 11:21 PM: Vox, are all your bookshelves that orderly and photogenic? Asking for a friend.
An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents January 23, 2017 11:25 PM: Here's Shia Lebouf's live feed where people are supposed to chant "he will not divide us". It could be better entitled M.P.A.I.

http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
pdwalker January 23, 2017 11:29 PM: VD, would you consider the periscope platform for public brainstorms?
Tuatha January 23, 2017 11:30 PM: "a Crowlian Satanist? seriously?"
I can assure you I am not a "satanist" of any sort.

"sheer anarchy quickly dissolves into "who's got the biggest gang" as soon a two guys figure out they can join forces and gang up on a third.

at which point, you've got a normal society again.

which is why anarchy is stupid."

You don't get it. Evolution, as in the way of breeding, can replace any trait and add new ones. Just like breeds of horse, dog, and cat, the white man can be bred as a being without an out-group altruism disease. I can tell you missed the end of number 33.

"strike 1
strike 2
strike 3"

I take it you're the hall monitor of this blog.
Mick Warshaw January 23, 2017 11:37 PM: OT: when I downloaded this earlier today there were 0 reviews. 6 hours in (long drive for work) I am convinced of the quality. Thanks, Vox, I will be sending more of my dough to Castalia's audiobooks this year.

I finished listening to Riding the Red Horse (Unabridged) by Vox Day, Christopher Nuttall, Jerry Pournelle, Thomas Mays, Rolf Nelson, Chris Kennedy, William S. Lind, Brad Torgersen, narrated by Jon Mollison on my Audible app.

Try Audible and get it free: https://www.audible.com/pd?asin=B01N21E96A&source_code=AFAORWS04241590G4
bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 23, 2017 11:48 PM: 41. Tuatha January 23, 2017 11:30 PM
I take it you're the hall monitor of this blog.

not in the least.

41. Tuatha January 23, 2017 11:30 PM
Evolution, as in the way of breeding, can replace any trait and add new ones.

says someone who doesn't know a damn thing about animal husbandry.

there are hard limits on what breeding programs can accomplish ( ex: Great Dane vs Chinese Crested vs wolf ), beyond which the basic genetics cannot be driven. animal breeders have been aware of this issue for centuries.

further, Vox himself doesn't believe in Darwinian evolution. so, citing it as if it were a known and incontrovertible philosophical principle is going to be a non-starter in any discussion with him.

41. Tuatha January 23, 2017 11:30 PM
I can assure you I am not a "satanist" of any sort.

yet you assert Satanic principles. odd.

41. Tuatha January 23, 2017 11:30 PM
the white man can be bred as a being without an out-group altruism disease.

the White man is the only group to ever suffer from out-group altruism?

strange. i think the Inca would like a word with you.

likewise, i'm not sure why the early Christians ( all Jews ) bothered preaching to the goyim?
Thanks, J. January 24, 2017 12:14 AM: Loving these videos man. Good stuff. With China on the rise and their behavior in Africa eventually becoming common knowledge couple with the problems African and Muslim migration increasingly bring to Europe and the issues pilling up on a shrinking soon to be minority white American population, I wonder how long the media, academia and left will attempt to paint the white man as the source of humanity's woes.
Laramie Hirsch January 24, 2017 12:18 AM: That was cool. Actually felt a part of the group...even though I watched it hours afterwards. Family time keeps me occupied in the early evenings.
bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) January 24, 2017 12:28 AM: 44. Thanks, J. January 24, 2017 12:14 AM
I wonder how long the media, academia and left will attempt to paint the white man as the source of humanity's woes.

it never will. reality has nothing to do with the situation.

they are driven by Cultural Marxism. and too Cultural Marxism the White Christian Man is the original sin of the world.

this is why you can find Marxists back into the 30s talking about how WASP American culture is oppressing them and how the WASPs need to be destroyed.

and why it's been a constant theme of all the offshoot orgs ( like Feminist Marxism and Racial Marxism ) since.

White Men are the enemy, they have designated us so.
lowercaseb January 24, 2017 12:58 AM: Aphelion wrote:@23China has been investing in Africa for a long time. I was in business in Uganda over 15 years ago and most of the hotel was occupied by a week long conference of the Chinese chamber of commerce. They come for resources and in return build schools and hospitals. On many projects they bring in Chinese workers, that is how they colonize, building company towns near mines, factories, etc. populated by the Chinese.

That is exactly what I wanted to find out about. Africa still is a mineralogical powerhouse. I'm curious of how long the Chinese can subtly push in there before they start getting tarred with the same brush that the white folks did.

'course, like @23 said...it's easier when the goverments don't have protesters needling them back home about their human rights record or checking their privilege.
Tuatha January 24, 2017 1:08 AM: "yet you assert Satanic principles. odd."
If by "satanic" you mean striving for racial success, then too people to count would be satanists. In any case I am not a satanist nor have I ever been. If I had to classify myself, then I would be a deist with an agnostic tendency. My ideas are my own.

"the White man is the only group to ever suffer from out-group altruism?"
Out of all recorded races of men, modern europoids have the worst case of it. Altruism surplus is a trait capable of infecting any group. Never said it was a unique problem.

"likewise, i'm not sure why the early Christians ( all Jews ) bothered preaching to the goyim?"
http://www.heretical.com/oliver/js12.html
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_piso07.htm
Snidely Whiplash January 24, 2017 1:15 AM: The concept of order as evil and chaos as good is straight out of Crowley.

You don't want Whites to succeed, you want to breed a new man to be genetically fascist, and call him White.
Which is both stupid and doomed. Take your fucking Utopia and shove it up your ass. Nobody wants it, and its impossible anyway.
Ezekiel Cassandros January 24, 2017 1:20 AM: Minor point of correction: no, Mike Enoch's wife does not work for B'nai Brith. That was fake news invented by 8chantifa.
Source: Greg Johnson.
Tuatha January 24, 2017 2:10 AM: "You don't want Whites to succeed, you want to breed a new man to be genetically fascist, and call him White."
I never once said anything about fascism. My post was about the necessity of anarchy and the survival of the capable and strong from its course. Its super-obvious you don't want it because you know and won't ever admit that the victory of survival does not belong to you. In the real man's world, which is untamed wilderness, you would be killed by your betters.

"Which is both stupid and doomed. Take your fucking Utopia and shove it up your ass. Nobody wants it, and its impossible anyway."
How dreadful. I hear a crying baby left in the woods by its mother. How sad. May the buzzards snatch it quick. They may, however, leave because of its horrible smell and just let poor snidely to the ants, flies and worms.
MycroftJones January 24, 2017 2:48 AM: Snidely Whiplash is now officially annoying.
Euryale January 24, 2017 3:12 AM: VD wrote:Flak means you're over the target.

Make metaphors great again.
https://thymosbookclub.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/air-superiority/
Kona Commuter January 24, 2017 3:22 AM: An excellent opinion article saying that the anti-Trump protests have all the hallmarks of a colour revolution http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/01/its-begun-americas-maidan-rears-its.html
Nettle January 24, 2017 3:28 AM: Now if only Molyneux were on Periscope!
Harold January 24, 2017 3:35 AM: I apologize for not being more clear on Periscope. My request for more, “evidence,” was in response to the statement:

“[China’s] main interest in expanding is into Africa, and that’s where things could get a little dicey.”

I do not dispute that China is expanding; I dispute that “things could get a little dicey.”

While China does have one military base in Djibouti, so do France, Italy, Japan, and the United States. Forget Africa, China lacks power projection off its own coastline. Wouldn’t it acquiesce at the first sign of conflict? Further, what gives you reason to believe Chinese settlement in Africa would be more violent than 600 years (okay, 5 years of violence in the late 1960s) of peaceful Chinese settlement in Malaysia?

PS If the request for, “evidence,” annoys you so, is it acceptable to ask for, “elaboration?”
Shut up rabbit January 24, 2017 4:14 AM: Kona Commuter wrote:An excellent opinion article saying that the anti-Trump protests have all the hallmarks of a colour revolution

All the hallmarks? You mean Soros money? Then yes, clearly it's a color revolution. It's the brown stain spring.
5343 Kinds of Deplorable January 24, 2017 4:16 AM: You mean Soros money?

Drone striking Soros might be the G-E's most effective next move. Hey, Obama set the precedent ...
Aeoli Pera January 24, 2017 7:05 AM: Point of order: Alt-Right was coined by Richard Spencer. It's likely that he was describing white nationalism in America, although I wouldn't swear to it.
Aeoli Pera January 24, 2017 7:16 AM: And yes, I understand semantic drift.
VD January 24, 2017 7:44 AM: Point of order: Alt-Right was coined by Richard Spencer. It's likely that he was describing white nationalism in America, although I wouldn't swear to it.

And "Alternative Right" was coined by Paul Gottfried in November 2008. I use the term "Alt-Right" in that sense.

I like Richard. But he has allowed himself to be rendered largely irrelevant at this point and I have never read anything he has written.
Avalanche January 24, 2017 8:46 AM: @13 "People are just trying to help you imorove your presentation, just as you might help out a neophyte at the gym."

If you weren't HIRED to help the neophyte -- and the neophyte did NOT ask you for any help... then "helping" might result in a punch to the mouth! (It's a bit SJW to assume that 'unasked for help' is either needed or welcomed, no?)
Avalanche January 24, 2017 8:50 AM: @19 "Next time you cough, pause, and then drink red wine from a large silver goblet. That would be pretty awesome."

Silvered skull! Oh I would SO send this to you!

https://www.amazon.com/Covered-Silvered-Drinking-Goblet-Stainless/dp/B00W8NBUO2
Ned January 24, 2017 8:51 AM: Late to the party - thanks for the replay post. Nice job, Vox.
John Galt January 24, 2017 11:43 AM: Boo
Siobhan January 24, 2017 4:31 PM: I'm sad that it's not still available. I though they'd be up for 24 hours. What should I assume re: future casts? I can't watch in real-time due to time zone issues, but I'll try to be more prompt in the future.
KK January 24, 2017 5:34 PM: Siobhan January 24, 2017 4:31 PM
I'm sad that it's not still available.

I just watched it. Did you try the link in the post?
Siobhan January 24, 2017 11:08 PM: KK: I had tried earlier today and failed - it had said Ended 22h ago. Replay unavailable. But since you posted, I tried again. This time it said that, then immediately updated to a "play" arrow, and I was able to start playback. Thank you! I suspect I just had a bad connection earlier (and playback can get a little funky on my phone without connection issues). So thanks, I get to see it because you took the time to reply to me.
Aeoli Pera January 25, 2017 6:50 AM: VD wrote:Point of order: Alt-Right was coined by Richard Spencer. It's likely that he was describing white nationalism in America, although I wouldn't swear to it.

And "Alternative Right" was coined by Paul Gottfried in November 2008. I use the term "Alt-Right" in that sense.

I like Richard. But he has allowed himself to be rendered largely irrelevant at this point and I have never read anything he has written.

Cool, makes sense. Might be worth a Voxicon entry, if that even exists anymore.

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